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THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY: A LONE-GUNMAN PERSPECTIVE

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David Von Pein

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FROM THE POINT-OF-VIEW OF A LONE-ASSASSIN BELIEVER.....

LINKS TO VARIOUS D.V.P.-AUTHORED ESSAYS, REVIEWS, AND COMMENTS
PERTAINING TO THE 11/22/63 ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
AND THE MURDER OF DALLAS POLICE OFFICER J.D. TIPPIT:

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BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY" BY VINCENT BUGLIOSI (FULL-LENGTH VERSION OF REVIEW):
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3200858-post.html

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (ANOTHER FULL-LENGTH VERSION):
http://blog.myspace.com/davidvp1961

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (ABBREVIATED VERSION):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4d0e813277d5baa0

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (AMAZON.COM VERSION):
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:-SrYI_zoiRIJ:www.amazon.com/review/R2R0RQ0Q9AZY0M

SETTING THE RECORD A LITTLE STRAIGHTER --
CORRECTING A FEW "RECLAIMING HISTORY" ERRORS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/947d25e8fac5b996

MY BEST VINCENT BUGLIOSI IMITATION:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3ae26a3befc052b8

"ON TRIAL: LEE HARVEY OSWALD" (1986 DOCU-TRIAL TEXT EXCERPTS):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9ccd8645d5da3d91

A SAMPLE OF HOW MR. BUGLIOSI WOULD HAVE EASILY CONVICTED OSWALD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d2c24506aa7154bf

AN INTERVIEW WITH VINCENT BUGLIOSI:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2cdfdf0b58b5df8b

ADDITIONAL VINCENT BUGLIOSI INTERVIEWS AND AUDIO/VIDEO CLIPS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ee830e5f3d785a61
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=7f8im4pic0&v=1

VINCENT BUGLIOSI DEBATES DR. CYRIL WECHT (JUNE 14, 2007):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/73a6e31b8502a703
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=8asjq3j40c&v=1

THE WARREN COMMISSION GOT IT RIGHT (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4b8dae7b150da043

THE WARREN COMMISSION GOT IT RIGHT (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e2a229774508e859

LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S SOLE GUILT -- POINT-BY-POINT:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4a6b3390021d657c

NOVEMBER 22, 1963 -- A LEE HARVEY OSWALD "TIMELINE":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3a3d654f3c43ed16

A COMMON-SENSE APPROACH TO THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a7cf61c59d09bc05

THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IN ACTION:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/88cd14ec6de230eb

WHERE'S THE LOGICAL CONSPIRACY-ORIENTED ALTERNATIVE TO THE SBT?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ee3ea6cfa4a58c9

MORE SBT TALK (WITH A LARGE DOSE OF COMMON SENSE INCLUDED):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d16a5df97cccb32c

YET ANOTHER SINGLE-BULLET THEORY ESSAY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c19abd308e0026e1

STILL MORE SINGLE-BULLET CONVERSATION (FOR GOOD MEASURE):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/284975f119fe13c0

AND A LITTLE MORE SBT LOGIC (TONGUE-IN-CHEEK STYLE):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bed05a055b2f4133

IN A (LONE) NUTSHELL -- THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b30398a449c05b7

YEP, HERE'S ANOTHER SBT ESSAY (WITH COMMON SENSE AGAIN INSERTED):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/00a4ecbb835edc89

JOHN CONNALLY SAID THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IS "POSSIBLE":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/741a872f58796bfe

WHAT DID JOHN CONNALLY SEE ON 11/22/63? AND WHAT DIDN'T HE SEE?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/1cc5d266271efb4b

THE SBT AND JOHN CONNALLY'S REACTIONS TO HIS BULLET WOUNDS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/117c00bb91d7361d

WAS BULLET CE399 "PLANTED" IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL? (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/84689b600ce41d68

WAS BULLET CE399 "PLANTED" IN PARKLAND HOSPITAL? (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bceb46435b39817f

THE ODD (BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY TRUE) JOURNEY OF BULLET CE399:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c565d3b4c930a683

TOO MANY CE399 BULLET FRAGMENTS IN JOHN CONNALLY? HARDLY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7bf79593cce78406

IF BULLET CE399 DIDN'T INJURE GOVERNOR CONNALLY, WHAT BULLET DID?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f90802d6225a380e

GERALD FORD AND THE SBT -- DID HIS "MOVE" REALLY MATTER AT ALL?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bf3ae3c6c0993e13

THE "SBT PERFECTION" OF WARREN COMMISSION EXHIBIT NUMBER 903:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c65419db537d4abf

DVP VS. A CONSPIRACY THEORIST RE. THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ea87c6963644d0c0

LINKS TO ASSASSINATION-RELATED RADIO AND TELEVISION COVERAGE:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f910a87ee2eff476
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=7x7co2jkkg

A SHORTCUT TO BECOMING AN LNer -- THE LIVE TV COVERAGE OF 11/22/63:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/addeb5d529d1fb03

PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S BACK WOUND -- WHERE EXACTLY WAS IT LOCATED?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d1d7ea222703d800

THE ZAPRUDER FILM AND THE FATAL HEAD SHOT:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/32668ce6dd515ced

THE HEAD SHOT, THE BULLET FRAGMENTS, AND DR. GUINN'S NAA ANALYSIS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d0bc5be11042a291

MORE ABOUT DR. GUINN AND THE NAA BULLET-FRAGMENT TESTS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a1f839000eb145ad

THE ILLOGIC OF JFK'S HEAD WOUNDS (IF YOU'RE A "CTer", THAT IS):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6a42d7f27074c012

A VERY IMPORTANT AUTOPSY X-RAY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/be46d0872dbcf3c6

THE "BOH" WITNESSES VS. THE AUTOPSY DOCTORS -- WHO'S RIGHT?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/42a0bbac40f320f5

MORE "BOH" TALK (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d442d30af4fabdf3

MORE "BOH" TALK (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a93fbd3eceee9809

MORE "BOH" TALK (PART 3):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd386954cebad312

THE MURDER OF DALLAS POLICE OFFICER J.D. TIPPIT (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cbcca847390ffca8

THE MURDER OF DALLAS POLICE OFFICER J.D. TIPPIT (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3959008382f45641

THE TIPPIT MURDER AND THE HILARIOUS DEFENSE OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85fe573544d89f90

TIPPIT TIMELINES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a3dd04bbf82d03e0

JACK RUBY -- THE SECOND "LONE NUT" ASSASSIN IN DALLAS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/77edb3f67ec3350a

HOW DID JACK RUBY GET INTO THE DALLAS POLICE BASEMENT?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5bfb6bd1b771ed4d

LEE HARVEY OSWALD HAS BEEN SHOT!:
http://www.jfk-assassination.de/media/audio/oswald-shot.mp3

THE "PATSY PLOT" SILLINESS (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/606503e4d63e74ad

THE "PATSY PLOT" SILLINESS (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd321914097fcd2d

THE "PATSY PLOT" SILLINESS (PART 3):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/30f318ea48653a72

HOW TO FRAME A LONE PATSY FOR JFK'S MURDER (AND HOW NOT TO DO IT):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f4466b08f8be7c36

THESE TWO THINGS PROVE LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S GUILT:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/909b5b194cab1cbe

LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S MOTIVES FOR KILLING PRESIDENT KENNEDY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/66803e710380d800

EVERYTHING LEE HARVEY OSWALD DID ON 11/22/63 SAYS "I'M GUILTY!":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8845d85a86407d31

NOW, ABOUT THOSE "CURTAIN RODS" OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7a460183ae4c6c41

RECONSTRUCTING THE STEPS OF A PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSIN:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aaeb4a1389e69938

THE SHOOTING TIMELINE (AND THE "5.6 SECONDS" MYTH):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/beb26ade8fe5988e

THE "BACKYARD PHOTOS" OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD -- REAL OR FAKE?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/abf2ea54c9dddca4

LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS A LIAR (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ea04b9e6141f0098

LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS A LIAR (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/beb8390c3526124d

MORE OSWALD LIES (VIA HIS BOOK DEPOSITORY WORK APPLICATION):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7014c5ae9f21a7cc

LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S EVER-CHANGING ALIBI:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ee70b7502d2b2fd7

"WELL, THEY SAY IT JUST TAKES A SECOND TO DIE":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9ff403dedacb5d4f

LEE "I COULDN'T CARE LESS" OSWALD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/99273e0516a90afe

WAS LEE OSWALD "PLACED" IN THE BOOK DEPOSITORY BY PLOTTERS?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/64195df0086af9b4

BUELL WESLEY FRAZIER, LINNIE MAE RANDLE, AND THE PAPER BAG:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fb8cfb984a9b889c

SOLID VALIDATION THAT LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS IN THE SNIPER'S NEST:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/182cecc7c4e37bb2

LEE OSWALD, THE DEPOSITORY EMPLOYEES, AND SOME "ELEVATOR" TALK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8823834c81dea1be

DR. PEPPER TALK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/61f644cfaeee6415

DID THE POLICE "FAKE" THE EVIDENCE IN THE SNIPER'S NEST?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b078af0164e500df

1963 RADIO INTERVIEWS WITH LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2fe0880b6c8f702d
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=dcqllomwwo&v=1

DEBUNKING THE ACOUSTICS EVIDENCE:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5a2c37b0a094ce90

THREE MINUTES TO DEBUNK TWO MORE ENDURING CONSPIRACY MYTHS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bedc75d9fbd22681

TEXT EXCERPTS FROM THE 1967 CBS-TV SPECIAL, "THE WARREN REPORT":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6b2a00b13bdc81ae

LET'S BE "REASONABLE" (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/880c62b3ea505ae0

LET'S BE "REASONABLE" (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5d384fd048c73bc8

HAPPENSTANCE OR CONSPIRACY? (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/37cbbcb30fa498c5

HAPPENSTANCE OR CONSPIRACY? (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5a5c5eddcc8290c7

HAPPENSTANCE OR CONSPIRACY? (PART 3):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/14626541f1730ecc

WHAT ARE THE ODDS...?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7e70b829247b4a49

16 "SMOKING GUNS"? OR 16 MISFIRES?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e77756f1dff25f3e

JAMES TAGUE -- THE "THIRD VICTIM" IN DEALEY PLAZA:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/085b004c446bdc6e

THE "MISSED SHOT" CONTROVERSY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/e4429e2ea026676e

THE MOTORCADE ROUTE -- WAS IT CHANGED AT THE LAST MINUTE?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fbacd51dfe2f074c

THE FBI'S EARLY MISTAKES RE. THE EVENTS OF 11/22/63:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7835a5f11f2d5dcd
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=kt8qtb3408&v=1

J. EDGAR HOOVER, THE FBI, AND LEE HARVEY OSWALD:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a3ab26133c728115

FOR JFK CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, THE DUST NEVER SETTLES IN DEALEY PLAZA:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/833b0dca31ad0946

OSWALD'S RIFLE -- STOLEN BY PLOTTERS? OR USED BY OSWALD TO KILL JFK?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/42faee01d94a58d5

LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S WALLET(S):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/30723bcf0d24b377

HOWARD L. BRENNAN -- EYEWITNESS TO A TRAGEDY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a83751f6ce319004

MORE ON HOWARD BRENNAN (W/ ANOTHER BUGLIOSI IMITATION, JUST FOR FUN):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d26167f23399f7d6

HAROLD NORMAN -- A KEY ASSASSINATION WITNESS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fa26e26f62263eeb

MORE ABOUT HAROLD NORMAN (AND THE "SPACING" OF THE GUNSHOTS):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6f107ec16cb99154

LEE BOWERS -- A PRETTY GOOD "LONE ASSASSIN" WITNESS AFTER ALL:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3b7e7c5c568f85c3

JEAN HILL -- A RELIABLE ASSASSINATION WITNESS OR NOT?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/01377bde4de2b5e4

JULIA ANN MERCER -- DOES HER STORY MAKE ANY (LOGICAL) SENSE?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4c5c64ebb97fa1ee

THE IMPORTANT AND OFTEN-OVERLOOKED WITNESS STATISTICS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7b06a89bd4042363

JACQUELINE KENNEDY'S TESTIMONY -- A MISSED OPPORTUNITY?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2e1d9ff409489d9b

WAS IT "THORBURN'S POSITION"? OR DOES IT REALLY MATTER?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85e0bb6bdb74a8df

JIM GARRISON WAS WRONG (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2317ac73008b3c8a

JIM GARRISON WAS WRONG (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9d4772fbe4df0bcd

JIM "MEGA-KOOK" GARRISON AND HIS 1967 NBC-TV "REBUTTAL":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/537ea06e75fd0a29

THE 1968 JIM GARRISON/JOHNNY CARSON INTERVIEW:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/19cc01e0f1b9f8be
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=ny0f225ycs&v=1

WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS CRAZY JFK THEORY?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7448f602cc9b26e3

JFK CONSPIRACY THEORIES GALORE (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5ac4a7c8a086bb36

JFK CONSPIRACY THEORIES GALORE (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/43e50295440e48b0

MUSICAL CASKETS AND THE "BODY-ALTERATION" SILLINESS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0de08844600b8c7a

DID SECRET SERVICE AGENT GEORGE HICKEY FIRE THE FATAL HEAD SHOT?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bfe239f3742d68f8

IF PRESIDENT KENNEDY WAS SHOT BY MULTIPLE GUNMEN, THEN WHY IS IT...?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9f9db2052413d59d

KNOWN VS. UNKNOWN EVIDENCE IN THE JFK CASE:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/690b39c792300131

HOW FAR WILL CONSPIRACY KOOKS GO IN TRYING TO EXONERATE OSWALD?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85290a6703a31221

THE WARREN REPORT -- IT MAKES PERFECT "LN" SENSE:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6577daadba0e46a4

CAN A CASE BE MADE FOR CONSPIRACY? THE EVIDENCE CLEARLY SAYS "NO":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/384333d1f2157343

THE "CRYSTAL-BALL-GAZING" CONSPIRATORS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/747e6695f071ec3f

JAMES FILES -- HIS STORY SHOULD BE FILED UNDER "CRAP":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/59e025a70efa9ef5

ARE THESE SO-CALLED "MYSTERY DEATHS" REALLY SO MYSTERIOUS?:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d52845e6c744cccf

LET'S PLAY "21 QUESTIONS" -- AN "LN" RESPONSE TO 21 "CT" INQUIRIES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6db9ac1c27e26e32

A CLASSIC BATTLE WITH A CONSPIRACY-LOVING KOOK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e089ee8b738cad76

ANOTHER "LONE ASSASSIN VS. CONSPIRACY" BATTLE WORTH HIGHLIGHTING:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/67f341d225b69ed1

ABC's 2003 ASSASSINATION POLL -- 83% THINK OSWALD WAS INVOLVED:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c0189f6da4be3133

ASSASSINATION-RELATED QUOTES (COMMON SENSE INCLUDED FOR FREE)(PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.60s/browse_thread/thread/282746f40489bbe7

ASSASSINATION-RELATED QUOTES (COMMON SENSE INCLUDED FOR FREE)(PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.60s/browse_thread/thread/261e6439c49c5b7d

MOVIE REVIEW -- "FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video/msg/2348f6155e6ce550

MOVIE REVIEW -- MARK LANE'S "RUSH TO JUDGMENT":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85d4d330812f3728

MARK LANE, VINCENT BUGLIOSI, HELEN MARKHAM, AND THE WC:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8a64790b792f771f

MOVIE/DVD REVIEW -- OLIVER STONE'S "JFK":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/51b89da58d3e6489

OSWALD'S SHOOTING PERFORMANCE....AND OLIVER STONE'S BLUNDER:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9bce073792dae800

THE BRAINWASHING OF AMERICA (A LA OLIVER STONE):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/22e70f88404a998b

MORE "OLIVER STONE" DISCUSSION:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0a931249aa0eddff

MOVIE/DVD REVIEW -- "EXECUTIVE ACTION":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/de4ed4a67062926d

MOVIE/DVD REVIEW -- "OSWALD'S GHOST":
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3307872-post.html

REVIEW -- "THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION: BEYOND CONSPIRACY" (ABC-TV):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/869ebe2de53cbb58

REVIEW -- "JFK: BEYOND THE MAGIC BULLET" (THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/69758897e673c5a2

BOOK REVIEW -- "THE JFK MYTHS" BY LARRY STURDIVAN:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4d505fe064fccafb

BOOK REVIEW -- "CASE CLOSED" BY GERALD POSNER:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1dfff254d0b191a2

BOOK REVIEW -- "OSWALD'S GAME" BY JEAN DAVISON:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9c2238388f0a72c3

BOOK REVIEW -- "WITH MALICE" BY DALE MYERS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1bdb7e56f0427853

BOOK REVIEW -- "NOVEMBER 22, 1963: YOU ARE THE JURY" BY DAVID BELIN:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/83b9597d7b154bc3

BOOK REVIEW -- "KENNEDY AND LINCOLN" BY JOHN LATTIMER:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4f18bcb78b94d9d8

BOOK REVIEW -- "A SIMPLE ACT OF MURDER" BY MARK FUHRMAN:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4c7616a35ac60e22

BOOK REVIEW -- "THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT" BY WILLIAM MANCHESTER:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1f4263a24eb9f866

BOOK REVIEW -- "THE DAY KENNEDY WAS SHOT" BY JIM BISHOP:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d5bfef3e64392e4d

BOOK REVIEW -- "CONSPIRACY OF ONE" BY JIM MOORE:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ae3d600e8e571fa6

BOOK REVIEW -- "NATIONAL NIGHTMARE" BY RICHARD TRASK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48c19f6f3b9122d6

BOOK REVIEW -- "THAT DAY IN DALLAS" BY RICHARD TRASK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3184c6735973d209

BOOK REVIEW -- "THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT" BY ROBERT GRODEN:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d24cfcf0d0f8894b

DVD REVIEW -- "THE ASSASSINATION FILMS" (ROBERT GRODEN):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b1eb925fd0d000cb

DVD REVIEW -- "THE MURDER OF JFK: A REVISIONIST HISTORY":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/127162626b4861d0

DVD REVIEW -- 1963 SECRET SERVICE RECONSTRUCTION FILM:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/210e4630c6fc2996

VHS VIDEO REVIEWS -- "JFK ASSASSINATION: AS-IT-HAPPENED" (NBC-TV):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cd63a71d7fdbc83d

REVIEW -- "THE MEN WHO KILLED KENNEDY":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f0a3e91565c5c2cf

REVIEW -- "RENDEZVOUS WITH DEATH":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/dffb53d9dde8b76d

REVIEW -- "JFK II: THE BUSH CONNECTION" --- TOTAL RUBBISH!:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d5a5eeae1e135fd1

KENNEDY PHOTO ALBUMS AND SLIDESHOWS:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3281728-post.html

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DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ed5fddebf5867baa

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a242a71da7b4f86c

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 3):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4e56fb5212be4d88

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 4):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1b5c8f08ab8e907a

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 5):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/950d959adc66c0f5

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 6):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f84ee3ef9467d300

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 7):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6ac90a82dcce7115

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 8):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7a7f9c3cddedbf15

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 9):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6befce1beded0211

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 10):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/66fa5cad1f892322

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 11):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fb4d476cc164b90d

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 12):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ba327c06bc876aab

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 13):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5183c6d098cb0e9e

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 14):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/23a1e1dce1d7067d

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 15):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/52d69299b9f19252

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 16):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/936123bb7c1f6145

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 17):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a60ad9e0aaca390d

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 18):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b8840bdc23fd5b90

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 19):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3e970eaf62041ac2

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 20):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e2ddba987e4c90d1

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 21):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4a417ad983166ff6

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 22):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48eb252c4e28a5cc

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 23):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1a2a60738d94c1ce

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 24):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/03ecb29486bb6a0d

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 25):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2ec2b58012d8a8a0

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 26):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7736a96c67ac7ad1

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 27):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/373903118be72df7

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 28):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8e649f283c9fe34d

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 29):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/840cb29446fa2b62

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 30):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d21eacb44a4589a5

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 31):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8e7ac164f4c6fa79

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 32):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/890169ca1787e705

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 33):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d48ac00626a1d866

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 34):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/64abddbe538640cb

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 35):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4dc145f4fdf4a023

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 36):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2704673258a48160

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 37):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/11bbb7162d31fad0

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 38):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7d377aa83cb5adbc

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 39):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0edcb104969403ae

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 40):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/17bd8537f92ed852

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 41):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/72332cbb140d8278

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 42):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/441b96d4d536dbdc

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 43):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/844dd15fc16d59ac

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 44):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ee46fb1b5b15ff88

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 45):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/08a439c2d93016f6

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 46):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dc4e6334be98c5c0

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 47):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4c882b4902e587f3

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 48):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/32cbf3900682bf35

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 49):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d59d9b40c5a98fd0

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 50):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9d1f76456c1cd751

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 51):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ab70783724d05a9

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 52):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bbaf50e71b2c34ee

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 53):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/949dc24eac266a2f

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 54):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48f94d85b194e424

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 55):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d22762409c8ca764

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 56):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d58e088013c3f522

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 57):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2ccfd89bb6ca116b

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 58):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e791745ab751f77e

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 59):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7b544958c25117c1

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (PART 60):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/36999a6fe977744a

DEBATING THE JFK CASE (THE COMPLETE SERIES)(ALL 60 VOLUMES):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d64779e514304326

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ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cb028bd49867f37e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c257610ae301d5a4

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 3):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f753fd68aa03bb77

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 4):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5ee334e475a4cf4a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 5):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1d700d613b24bb59

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 6):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a44b0450d0ca5f84

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 7):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7c303602bdc13b3c

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 8):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/828a5029535033f3

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 9):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cfb579a87fd98a93

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 10):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/caad0f143f0e22d1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 11):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/68aa0f3337279c2a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 12):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9a83a484d496c5fd

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 13):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/366978821accb895

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 14):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9cd0044be6b3e205

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 15):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5c6b7cd3c1e60bc8

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 16):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/77ec7f37070cdb55

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 17):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/062b23cfd05d372b

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 18):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8bda6e493e0dbd5f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 19):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0bd9b77360e1baa6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 20):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b35bb5ad98f628f2

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 21):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/381f7c6896d903e6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 22):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/87bec6965bf0c07b

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 23):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ab790cbb00d9df06

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 24):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bf512e5183574f32

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 25):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/df2adef5fc2b8797

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 26):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7098cffc9a406803

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 27):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2f4fbc98680c07a3

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 28):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/70e432fb42d00c33

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 29):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1ad1f4d50c110107

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 30):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d99ff8f527ad7cfb

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 31):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e17d23718ec4b649

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 32):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a4c6818d6cdc7c89

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 33):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/99f2d68524323bbd

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 34):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6999de66b05bcbd6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 35):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/395ca184da325105

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 36):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/743413e007678192

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 37):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9c59d21b91ee3b29

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 38):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ed0690abc63e4ba2

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 39):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e08f1eac601f8ed7

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 40):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/66d2435f828e0452

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 41):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/da9ac1706cdd917d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 42):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0eb83b278bb41073

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 43):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/390e6e0468eda6f1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 44):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a1e85c128f39cf44

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 45):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9ed1a4df6942f264

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 46):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aa162cfbf9620b64

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 47):
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3267163-post.html

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 48):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/db2f7b31aaf8f189

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 49):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/062a498b7c9afdee

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 50):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d262c06c34e8edfe

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 51):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/399f54133cfc26b9

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 52):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c767dda517bcd5cc

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 53):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0d44be6afc3237db

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 54):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fdd17ec84afd16bc

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 55):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ab4e63ee4a2dc856

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 56):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9033cc0d6c12d393

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 57):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3ac8f4133fe29395

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 58):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0679819c6d3b4432

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 59):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/32af623d54597d2d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 60):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/52d43e381adddae2

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 61):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ec8e6065dd4ba9f1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 62):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0fc7dc52710887f9

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 63):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d6bbf9b3b38fdcb9

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 64):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ad16e8e254f04810

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 65):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b95fb6bdd22379d1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 66):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a92ffb9f94c0af09

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 67):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b9de9c8e7fb7d5c2

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 68):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0ab105545df62819

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 69):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/88c741da3120ddce

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 70):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e631b97f4b7ca57f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 71):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ec7fcf6c49f1abc3

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 72):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f1109db2bc13787e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 73):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f98f5e19ab180a2a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 74):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/06e0c197da98b365

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 75):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2e49bc952b950dad

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 76):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1bb1139f2a953ceb

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 77):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/149b6520e8455c72

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 78):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b54a3e0b661f558a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 79):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c94e853716c64f66

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 80):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bad4c3d268528339

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 81):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c8ef792fd3cf705e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 82):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/037a05276c52079b

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 83):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5560972f89638de6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 84):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/244d081eb24afb5d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 85):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bef760ed9e928e07

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 86):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/70c302ae073d9571

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 87):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/964943fbe7361599

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 88):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/85cdfcd5a42b6be3

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 89):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/81233d4ec7cf08a5

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 90):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cc25053aabbf0754

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 91):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f7b191de225026aa

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 92):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8ffa3273350f9820

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 93):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/948686c42f01bf1f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 94):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/27437878f123544f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 95):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/32a0e66024213571

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 96):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/07a16f6582d26a3d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 97):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bbda720fcdd1fb00

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 98):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/674c86fecac25b6b

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 99):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1090a35ce14d127a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 100):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8a570508fac58448

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 101):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/37f3d8b97790b9e4

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 102):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f298b131a21c5cd7

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 103):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9b2892aed2aaadb1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 104):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2f38f8b10aa753c1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 105):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c14e7a5c212ce24d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 106):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/340007033feebcda

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 107):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7b632e38c4bd6225

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 108):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e5e44c6226b150db

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 109):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dc512d13375df6e2

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 110):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c119a29302dc1339

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 111):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fd3c7f68b787b4ea

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 112):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f447e06f5a2c51a9

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 113):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e9276155ebeb36fa

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 114):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4014858c6492e69d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 115):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7aec5b209ec28b55

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 116):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/88a8c16eb7eeaa79

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 117):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0aeac0f5eec77fb3

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 118):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aced3784103cd3e6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 119):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/af510d02922fc07b

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 120):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/14b006b915d508f4

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 121):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/31e1041be19b5999

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 122):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6456744688cd76a2

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 123):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/04cbd3312f8342ca

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 124):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d603eb98b806b66f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 125):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/99f950c44ea6dcee

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 126):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cb478149854c650d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 127):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/37ff64a8e48876cb

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 128):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cd765afadd2065c9

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 129):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ae0a089e372596ea

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 130):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/86e802bbb9fae829

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 131):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b6207129b1939505

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 132):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b0a208350ab5660c

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 133):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8633d42446542c0c

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 134):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/68a605b9dbf6550b

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 135):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/803c796cd58146c3

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 136):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/821069a8ca1e2fcd

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 137):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d1cb66ee1ebe1667

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 138):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/27c2b3628a9d4a95

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 139):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f641b5a7c00f988a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 140):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9ec8eee57ad005f8

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 141):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/36d1bb754b3eb26e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 142):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c860f75027952963

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 143):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fbeb44bd4669fbc8

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 144):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/65b96f6a1fbe5f01

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 145):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/53ae7a2928ba23ff

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 146):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0c996b8e56091e75

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 147):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/61684194951f2424

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 148):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/058839cb0f0b8ee1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 149):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ac114e4e35d1e58f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 150):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a44aff4d08ff9c81

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 151):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/297ce165bbfa6eba

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 152):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c3a922470507c5d6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 153):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0489c5b2d440bc37

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 154):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6ac8b0caac988629

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 155):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a148b5d602544540

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 156):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b704ee53dd1ba68

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 157):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48e9993445d53c56

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 158):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/793f581627390c07

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 159):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b6eca7a545286607

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 160):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/847f2c7b95082abb

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 161):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b5b08a6a0355796a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 162):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c2e25ee6b5638d07

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 163):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3d9a01be42a3f07e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 164):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ff3386ffbdf568a8


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MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 1):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ec452004faa07b3a

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 2):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/82410830328ba32f

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 3):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/97ddbeef09fdef3e

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 4):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6888c928029f9328

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 5):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/26e4145b5aed5547

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 6):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3b989fab4895e184

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 7):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aa1d975ff4b7b180

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 8):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d6d2ed7eb49ca35f

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 9):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/af4fb021cb1e855c

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 10):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b51cef6a364c48e9

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 11):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/71974c630d2e9b1c

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 12):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c01a1357ebd745d4

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 13):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2c5dcefe91b2402a

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 14):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/76bfbe06184579d5

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 15):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0eefbf6f0d72a48b

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 16):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/63009a5e309438cf

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 17):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3486b8bbe1b70e44

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 18):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f5c1bb42bd4422c5

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 19):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bc3c904c8bd0c9a4

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 20):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a2c292cd24bdf1fe

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 21):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/21d2a6ba7efcdad7

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 22):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bbb6b3ff291d385a

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 23):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5595336145cf3248

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 24):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7c316daad1152817

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 25):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/05f973ac887d66b0

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 26):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c7438431df3a4150

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 27):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/47d056d93f9dfe0c

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 28):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5f2ffce2515ccdd5

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 29):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/070c67bf839ae2fb

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 30):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/66c8102259c486b1

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 31):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9d33d8bfc3c806a7

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 32):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/489f7a8f9022b283

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 33):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e68563caf1971a02

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 34):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4c044858a175e7ff

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 35):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7a6a2f935c4476d5

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 36):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/99f098f511a3b678

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 37):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6452765c3f3cd33a

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 38):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8028b887eee37b4a

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 39):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e0da4629d22af76c

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 40):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e07ae71ceb961c7a

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 41):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aa0ebec0409134fb

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 42):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7c477b5fc73da0b0

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 43):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/65f67a77937bdc88

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 44):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dabeb88131be455e

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 45):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/feecffb45950e108

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OTHER KENNEDY-RELATED LINKS:

KENNEDY AUDIO/VIDEO PROGRAMS AND CLIPS:
http://JFK-Audio-Video-Page.blogspot.com
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3a8c0d4e7c3c5e2e

"JFK VIDEO: THE DALLAS TAPES" (KRLD-TV/KDFW COLLECTION):
http://media.myfoxdfw.com/JFKvideo

A LIST OF JFK-RELATED BOOKS, VIDEOS, DVDs, AND CDs:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/2bb94e5c07c58a1e

THE JFK LIBRARY AND PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S PRESS CONFERENCES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d3e598165e4e06cc
http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=ne5omp6w4k&v=1

JFK ASSASSINATION PHOTO GALLERY (VOLUME 1):
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/JFK%20Assassination%20--%20Volume%201

JFK ASSASSINATION PHOTO GALLERY (VOLUME 2):
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/JFK%20Assassination%20--%20Volume%202

A KENNEDY PHOTO ALBUM:
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com

ANOTHER KENNEDY PHOTO ALBUM:
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/Kennedy%20Photo%20Album

"FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER" SLIDESHOW (PART 1):
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/?action=view&current=182464c9.pbw

"FOUR DAYS IN NOVEMBER" SLIDESHOW (PART 2):
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/?action=view&current=0a345977.pbw

A KENNEDY SLIDESHOW:
http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/?action=view&current=95647f9b.pbw

DEALEY PLAZA; DALLAS, TEXAS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a14990ff742e5cda

DVD REVIEW -- "JFK: A PRESIDENCY REVEALED" (THE HISTORY CHANNEL):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video.dvd/msg/15dd2a89a28a0ca6

DVD REVIEW -- "PRIMARY" (A FILM BY ROBERT DREW):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video.dvd/msg/0fc69d22a9965386

DVD REVIEW -- "CRISIS" (A FILM BY ROBERT DREW):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video.dvd/msg/6fb7e7ecac49d990

VHS VIDEO REVIEW -- "NBC WHITE PAPERS: THE KENNEDY ERA":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video/msg/523431dd819b7003

VHS VIDEO REVIEW -- "JACQUELINE KENNEDY ONASSIS REMEMBERED":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.video/msg/f7634636569e72c9

BOOK REVIEW -- "THE MEMORIES -- JFK -- 1961-1963":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.books.reviews/msg/e96843c176471a89

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ADDITIONAL JFK ASSASSINATION RESOURCES:

A LONE-GUNMAN VIEWPOINT (DAVID VON PEIN):
http://DavidVonPein.blogspot.com

THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION (JOHN McADAMS):
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

JFK ONLINE (DAVE REITZES):
http://www.jfk-online.com/home.html

SECRETS OF A HOMICIDE (DALE MYERS):
http://jfkfiles.com

RECLAIMING HISTORY (VINCENT BUGLIOSI):
http://www.ReclaimingHistory.com

THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES:
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk

NONCONSPIRACISTS UNITED:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Noncons/index.html

HISTORY MATTERS:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/contents.htm

MARY FERRELL FOUNDATION:
http://www.maryferrell.org

THE ASSASSINATION ARCHIVES AND RESEARCH CENTER:
http://aarclibrary.org/index.htm

WITNESS TESTIMONY:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm

KENNEDY ASSASSINATION NEWSPAPER ARCHIVE:
http://www.kennedyassassinationarchive.com/Home.aspx

THE JOHN F. KENNEDY PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY & MUSEUM:
http://www.jfklibrary.org

JFK'S WHITE HOUSE DIARY:
http://www.jfklibrary.org/white%20house%20diary

THE SIXTH FLOOR MUSEUM AT DEALEY PLAZA:
http://www.jfk.org

MISC. ASSASSINATION LINKS:
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfklinks.html

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David Von Pein

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>>> "I recently listened to a radio debate between Vincent and Dr. Cyril Wecht, the world famous pathologist, on the subject of the JFK assasination and Bugliosi was torn to pieces by Dr. Wecht." <<<


That's total nonsense. Wecht didn't tear anybody to pieces. The very
interesting radio debate in question (from June 14, 2007) can be
accessed below:

www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=8asjq3j40c&v=1

Re. that debate -- If anything, Bugliosi tore Cyril to pieces (via
both the evidence in the case and through ordinary common sense),
especially with respect to Dr. Wecht's own "magic bullet", which is a
bullet that was heading downward, but (per Cyril) came out of JFK's
neck but didn't hit Connally and also didn't hit anyone else or the
limo's interior.

Wecht's anti-SBT bullet simply vanishes, just like all crazy "CTer"
bullets in this case; and then when all the dust had settled, what
remained were--miraculously--only Oswald's bullets and fragments, even
though, per nearly all CTers, the victims were pelted with bullets
from at least two weapons (and if you want to believe Jim Garrison,
you'll have to increase that total to 4 or 5 guns!).

And yet EVERY single non-Oswald bullet or fragment managed to
disappear. Remarkable, huh? (Silly, is more like it.)

The Single-Bullet Theory is a fact:

www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b30398a449c05b7


>>> "It's amazing that he {VB} still believes there was a magic bullet after it has been discredited numerous times, and even just recently by the manufacturers of the rifle who could not...fire off three bullets, let alone with such accuracy and on a moving target, in 19 seconds." <<<

Yeah, I got a huge kick out of the recent Terni, Italy, "tests" on a
Carcano rifle. Good grief, what a crock. My great-great-grandmother
could get off 3 shots in 19 seconds! But not these Terni firearms
"experts". It's absolutely insane. (Maybe all the "experts" had
massive arthritis?) ~Belly Laugh~


>>> "...Yet Bugliosi said he {Oswald} couldn't shoot." <<<

It really burns me up when people don't pay attention (or just flat-
out distort what they do hear). Mr. Bugliosi never, EVER said that
Oswald "couldn't shoot". He has always maintained that Oswald was a
"good shot, but not an expert shot" (which, of course, is 100% true).

Oswald was a "Sharpshooter" in the U.S. Marines, for Pete sake. If
"Sharpshooter" somehow equates to a lousy rifleman, then it's a topsy-
turvy world we reside in.

Lee Oswald had more than enough shooting ability to hit his target
(JFK's head) one time out of three gunshots in 8.4 seconds from less
than 100 yards.


>>> "Oswald shot no one and was nothing more than a Patsy." <<<


The above statement earns you a front-row seat in the "Conspiracy Kook
Club". Congratulations.

To believe that Oswald had an assistant somewhere behind the scenes is
one thing (despite the lack of verifiable proof for even that lower-
level "conspiracy"); but to completely ignore the mountain of evidence
that says Lee Oswald fired the shots that struck down BOTH John
Kennedy and J.D. Tippit is just beyond pathetic...it's obscene (IMHO).

>>> "It's quite clear to anyone that Kennedy was shot from the front; hence, his head goes back." <<<


Why not actually READ THE BOOK (or do some other research yourself)
and then you'll know the facts. And the fact is: Kennedy's head rocks
FORWARD first, then backward. This indicates a shot from the rear, not
the front.

This clip (below) is by far the best example of that initial forward
head movement I've ever encountered (it's just too bad this toggling
digital clip couldn't have somehow been placed in Mr. Bugliosi's
outstanding book; it would make an ideal visual aid to the text within
"Reclaiming History"):

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/Headshot-large.gif


>>> "I don't care how many so-called facts Bugliosi thinks he has; he simply ignores the major ones or those that have been discredited numerous times in defense of the lone-gunman theory." <<<

Pot...meet Mr. Kettle.

You've just described precisely what conspiracy theorists have done
for years on end -- i.e., ignore the tons of "It Was Only Oswald"
facts and cling to pure guesswork (and the perceived "motives" for any
number of would-be assassins, without a shred of evidence to show that
any of these non-Oswald groups or persons fired any shots at the
President).

It's called: Guilt By Association. And, per many CTers, just about all
of planet Earth was somehow "associated" with a desire to want John
Fitzgerald Kennedy dead in late 1963.

But, after all these years, only one man has ever been linked (in so
many ways) to the murder of the 35th President....and that man was Lee
Harvey Oswald.

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>>> "I think you're going to get into trouble if you cite Bugliosi as authoritative." <<<

That's funny....I'm not the slightest bit worried that you think my
citing VB is going to get me "into trouble". Go figure.

And in my opinion, there's no better person on EARTH to cite than
Vince B.

That doesn't mean I always agree with everything VB says in his JFK
book. Because that's not the case at all. In fact, I disagree with him
on several different issues re. the Kennedy case....e.g., the timing
of when the SBT bullet struck the victims; the specifics of what
happened to the bullet from Oswald's first (missed) shot; the very
strange flip-flop that Vince seems to do on pages 423-424 re. the
HSCA's insane "upward" trajectory of the SBT bullet path through JFK's
body; and VB's criticism of Gerald Posner in a couple of places
(particularly with respect to a JBC bullet-fragment issue).

But even with my own above-mentioned criticisms, Vince has still
written the best book ever penned on the JFK assassination. And when
placed next to Dale Myers' comprehensive book on the J.D. Tippit
murder ("With Malice"), a researcher doesn't need to buy any other
books dealing with the events of November 22, 1963, in order to know
the full truth about what occurred that day in Dallas. (IMHO, that
is.)

>>> "He {VB} is not an historian; he's not a trained academic; he's a prosecutor, and his book, despite his pretensions, is a prosecutor's brief." <<<

Sure he's a prosecutor. And he DID "prosecute" Lee Harvey Oswald at a
mock trial. And he DID garner a conviction from 12 sworn Dallas
jurors. (Funny, huh?)

But the main items that Vince brings to the table that have been
lacking in so many other JFK publications and debates are CS&L (his
Common Sense & Logic, that is), which ooze from every single page of
"Reclaiming History".

Here, just have a look for yourself. I've made it easy....because I've
documented gobs of Vincent's CS&L right here (and there's plenty more
where these examples came from too):

www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showpost.php?p=3200858

>>> "Perhaps you should visit reclaiminghistory.org for examples of Bugliosi's carelessness with facts." <<<

Oh, I've seen that stuff at RH-dot-org. And none of it undercuts
Vince's book or VB's bottom-line conclusions of LHO acting alone.
People there think they've "scored points" by bringing up something
that they say Vince has conveniently left out of his book.

But the best they can do is claw at the dead air....because for 20
years Vince has examined the JFK case and has found "no credible
evidence" of anyone else's involvement in Kennedy's murder other than
Lee Harvey Oswald's.

If Vince didn't dig deep enough into David Mantik's lunacy on the
6.5mm. "object"....or if VB didn't cross every T to a CTer's
satisfaction with respect to someone else's theories on the case....it
matters very, very little in the final analysis.

Because the CTers (in the final analysis) simply HAVE NO HARD EVIDENCE
to support their far-reaching claims of a conspiracy in JFK's murder.
It's as simple as that. And always has been.

Allow me to prop up VB yet again, via the following Vince quote from
the Introduction of "Reclaiming History":

"I can assure the conspiracy theorists who have very effectively
savaged Posner in their books that they're going to have a much, much
more difficult time with me. As a trial lawyer in front of a jury and
an author of true-crime books, credibility has always meant everything
to me. My only master and my only mistress are the facts and
objectivity. I have no others." -- VB; "RH"; Pages xxxviii-xxxix

~~~~~~~~~~

And, once again for the hard-of-hearing, allow me to reiterate this VB
quote re. inadmissible evidence:

"I can tell you from personal experience that excluding evidence at a
trial because the chain of custody is weak is rare, certainly the
exception rather than the rule. The typical situation where the chain
is not particularly strong is for the trial judge to nevertheless
admit the evidence, ruling that the weakness of the chain goes only to
"the weight of the evidence [i.e., how much weight or credence the
jury will give it], not its admissibility"." -- VB; Page 442 of "RH"
endnotes

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> FROM THE POINT-OF-VIEW OF A LONE-ASSASSIN BELIEVER.....

what-a-disgrace you are, David Von Pein... filling this board with ALL
that nonsense.... Can't run and hide behind the daBugliosi disinfo,
Mark Lane has stomped your lights out...

So what part did Myers write and how much was that shill paid?

Time to cleanse thy self.... eh?

David Von Pein

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CTers have absolutely no place to go (via logic and common sense, that
is) with ANY of their arguments regarding CE399, or regarding their
arguments about a purported "pointy-nosed" bullet, etc.

Because if CTers wants to say that CE399 was actually the bullet found
at Parkland by Tomlinson (whether it was a "planted" bullet or not),
then those same CTers are forced to jettison one of their favorite
arguments -- i.e., that Tomlinson, et al, failed to identify CE399 as
the stretcher bullet DUE TO THE FACT THAT CE399 *WASN'T* THE REAL
STRETCHER BULLET FOUND BY TOMLINSON.

And if CTers wish to say that a "pointy"-tipped bullet was actually
seen by Tomlinson and Wright, et al, on November 22 at Parkland...then
where does that argument take the CTers?

Answer -- Deep into "Absurdville"! That's where.

For, if a "pointy" bullet WAS the "real" stretcher bullet found by
Tomlinson, then that means one of the following three things must
certainly be correct and true....

1.) The "pointy" bullet was the one and only bullet that did the
damage to John B. Connally (and the best evidence, by far, is that
just ONE single bullet struck Connally, causing all of his wounds).

But if #1 here is true...then the CTers must abandon one of their very
favorite gripes: i.e., ANY bullet that did that much damage to JBC
must have been pretty banged up by the end of the day.

But if Tomlinson saw a "pointy"-nosed bullet, then that bullet was
certainly in pretty decent shape, right? The POINTY NOSE wasn't even
crushed. (Otherwise, how did Tomlinson, et al, see any "pointy" nose
on the missile?)

Also: It's fairly obvious that the discrepancy re. the stretcher
bullet noted by Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen (et al) is NOT a
discrepancy with respect to the GENERAL AMOUNT OF DAMAGE that was done
to the bullet.

It's obvious from everyone's testimony on this matter that the bullet
Tomlinson found on a Parkland stretcher was an INTACT bullet; i.e., a
bullet that wasn't banged up very much at all.

Or do CTers want to now purport that the people who later failed to
positively I.D. CE399 REALLY saw a banged-all-to-hell, mushroomed, and
very damaged bullet...but they failed to MENTION THAT FACT TO ANYONE,
EVER?!

2.) The bullet Tomlinson picked up was a "PLANTED" bullet, but was not
CE399, and then 399 was inserted into the record to replace the "real"
stretcher bullet.

#2 here is totally crazy...because: WHY IN THE HELL WOULD ANY PLOTTERS
(BENT ON FRAMING LEE OSWALD) WANT TO PLANT A BULLET THAT COULD NEVER
BE TRACED TO THE PATSY?

And if some CTers want to think the bullet was planted, but Oswald
WASN'T really being set up as a lone patsy....I'd then ask: Huh?
(Because if Oswald wasn't being framed, then why was there any need to
plant ANY bullet at all inside Parkland?)

This whole #2 option is just too kooky for even most CT-Kooks. (Isn't
it?)

3.) The bullet Darrell Tomlinson found on a stretcher at Parkland
wasn't even connected (in any fashion; "planted" or otherwise) to the
JFK assassination or to JBC's wounds. Perhaps it really did come from
the little boy's stretcher (Ronny Fuller's). But, then again, was
young Ronald Fuller SHOT BY A RIFLE BULLET on November 22nd? I don't
think he was. Which means there's a problem here too.

But the logical observation associated with option #3 that needs to be
uttered aloud is -- If it had been later learned that the stretcher
bullet had really been connected to Fuller (or some other case,
totally unconnected to the JFK/JBC case), then it would turn into a
"So what?" situation. Because why would the authorities feel it
necessary to tie in a bullet to the JFK case that legitimately was not
connected to the Kennedy case in any way? That's just....dumb.

===========

So, any way things are sliced, CTers are forced to abandon at least
ONE of their favorite theories with respect to Bullet CE399. Because
when a little ordinary common sense is applied to the conversation
surrounding the stretcher bullet, CTers don't have a leg to stand on.

In short, conspiracy theorists are, by necessity, forced to either
accept the obvious truth about the stretcher bullet (which is: CE399
came out of Oswald's rifle on 11/22/63 and wounded both JFK & JBC in
Dealey Plaza)....or they are forced to look like total idiots by
purporting theories that don't make much sense at all. And many of
those conspiracists are also forced to spout theories that completely
CONTRADICT other theories they have been married to for decades.

Accepting the truth surrounding Bullet CE399 is easy. But accepting
ANY of the conspiracy-tinged replacement theories revolving around
that bullet is virtually impossible.

aeffects

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<nada, just but more disinfo> carry on!

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>>> "You're reaching. Badly." {Re. Oswald having possibly switched from the scope to the rifle's iron sights after the first shot.} <<<


You're just plain kooky to say this. Several other people who have
looked into the case think the same thing re. LHO possibly using both
the scope and the iron sights during the assassination.


>>> "If Oswald BORE shot the president using the IRON sight, great balls of fire, the target would be 4 TIMES farther away and make the shot from "behind" even more difficult than it already was." <<<


Which wasn't difficult at all, of course....especially for a person
trained to shoot in the Marines. 88 yards maximum at Shot #3, shooting
at a virtually-stationary target moving away from him at 11 MPH. Duh!


>>> "...FOUR times farther away! This distance also goes for the supposed head shot to Kennedy that Oswald pulled off with his Hail Mary blast from the rear. He did this ALL with the IRON sight?" <<<


I don't know it for a fact, no. I surmised he possibly used the
sights. Nobody can know for sure. Duh!

And, unfortunately, the murderer wasn't kind enough to tell Will Fritz
(or anyone else) whether he cut down JFK by looking through the
telescope or by using the sights. That was damned unpolite of him not
to give that information, wasn't it Mr. Bullsh!tHouse?


>>> "Not to mention that Oswald would have had to RE-AIM on the last two IRON sight shots because of the rifle's RECOIL and without using the scope and, again, at four times the distance." <<<


Yeah, he wouldn't have had ANY recoil if he'd used the scope for all 3
shots, and he wouldn't have had to "re-aim" at all, right?

Kooky.


>>> "And one would suppose that if Oswald truly had any serious premeditated intentions of murdering the president..." <<<


Which he didn't. That fact is quite obvious via his last-minute
preparation efforts (Thursday night visit to Irving) and his half-
assed to non-existent escape plan (walking, bus, taxi, then walking
some more).


>>> "...We are being asked to believe that Oswald went up to the bloody 6th floor of the School Depository in a smoldering 'killing' mood because he 'hated' Kennedy so much..." <<<


He didn't hate Kennedy...and nobody I know of has ever made such a
claim. Learn the case...and learn about Oswald.

As Vince Bugliosi rightly said re. Oswald's possible motive:

"When Oswald was aiming at JFK, he was very likely aiming at the
United States of America, which he definitely hated." (Paraphrased VB
comments.)


>>> "...and yet he {Saint Oswald The Great} brings a cheap mail-order Italian rifle and a scope so misaligned that it couldn't shoot a chicken out of a chicken pot, and in the heat of the act itself, Oswald is successful in BORE shooting the president. I've heard it all now. Such an argument elicits more pity than anger that anyone could propose such a thing. .... All anyone has to do to determine that Oswald shot no one in Dallas is to read some of these completely sad-sack arguments and then turn them around 180 degrees to clearly know what happened." <<<


Now it's official -- You're a Mega-Kook. Congrats. (The unbelievably-
stupid comment "Oswald shot no one" is what sent you over the top.)

It usually takes a conspiracy-loving nutcase longer to gain official
"Mega-Kook" status. You've achieved it in record time. Nice job
indeed.

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>>> "The Commission members committed high treason in the cover-up of a murdered president." <<<

You are a kook. Plain and simple.

CBS newsman Eric Sevareid provided some very interesting comments
concerning the Warren Commission in 1967:

[Quoting Sevareid:]

"What fed the conspiracy notion about the Kennedy assassination among
many Americans was the sheer incongruity of the affair. All that power
and majesty wiped out in an instant by one skinny, weak-chinned little
character. It was like believing that the Queen Mary had sunk without
a trace because of a log floating somewhere in the Atlantic. Or that
AT&T stock had fallen to zero because a drunk somewhere tore out his
telephone wires. ....

"And so, three-and-a-half years later, there are people who still
think some group of men are living somewhere carrying in their breasts
the most explosive secret conceivable....knowledge of a plot to kill
Mr. Kennedy.

"These imagined men supposedly go about their lives under iron self-
discipline, never falling out with each other, never giving out a hint
of suspicion to anyone else.

"And nearly three years after the Warren inquiry finished its painful
and onerous work, there are not only the serious critics who point to
the various mistakes of commission or omission....mistakes of a
consequence one can only guess at, and of a kind that have probably
plagued every lengthy, voluminous official investigation ever staged.
There are also people who think the Commission itself was a conspiracy
to cover up something.

"In the first place, it would be utterly impossible in the American
arena of the fierce and free press and politics to conceal a
conspiracy among so many individuals who live in the public eye.

"In the second place, the deepest allegiance of men like Chief Justice
Warren, or of John McCloy, does not lie with any president, political
party, or current cause. It lies with history....their name and place
in history. That is all they live for in their later years.

"If they knowingly suppressed or distorted decisive evidence about
such an event as a Presidential murder, their descendants would bear
their cursed names forever. The notion that they would do such a thing
is idiotic."

[End Quote.]


Was Eric Sevareid "in" on the cover-up too?


>>> "Here are witnesses who say that the President's autopsy pictures were FORGED..." <<<

Even though more than a dozen HSCA photo experts said that all the
pics are "unaltered in any manner". Were all of those HSCA guys "in"
on the cover-up too?

Question: In a CTer's mind, was there ANY Government-connected person
who was NOT in on the plot to either kill JFK or cover up the truth
afterward?

"They" sure had blanket coverage, didn't they? Those guys wouldn't
reveal the truth to save their lives, would they? (Too bad Bill
Clinton didn't have those same stubborn Government shills on his team
in 1998 during "Monica-gate".)


>>> "You might think about that sometime and what genuine integrity means in this continuing assassination investigation." <<<

I know this...you and your theories certainly don't have any
integrity. (Prove me wrong.)

>>> "Former CIA agents E. Howard Hunt and David Morales have *admitted* to a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, and they've come out with their confessions because they thought the president was bad for the country." <<<

LOL. LOL. (And an even larger LOL!)

Yeah...and some felon named Jimmy Files "confessed" (on film!) in the
early 1990s too. And he even BIT a bullet and left his "calling card".
He must have WANTED to get caught.

Did E. Howard bump into Files on the crowded Knoll, btw? Just
wondering. There were so many killers up there, it must have been hard
to aim their many weapons without tripping over each other's rifle
muzzles.

>>> "It's not 1963 anymore and there have been developments..." <<<

LOL. Yeah, all "developed" by conspiracy kooks...with other kooks
eager to believe each and every crazy story. With EACH story lacking a
very big piece to the assassination puzzle....A SINGLE BULLET THAT
ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH HAVING COME FROM OSWALD'S RIFLE.

Don't you think that's the slightest bit...odd? Guess not, huh? CT-
Kooks think they need NO hard evidence to "solve" the conspiracy.
~shrugs~


>>> "So take your ridiculous "single bullet theory" - and a theory is all that it is - and peddle it elsewhere." <<<

No. I think I'll stay right here and peddle that wholly-accurate FACT
known as the "SBT". If you don't like it....tough feces.

www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/0b30398a449c05b7

>>> "You'd trust anything with an official gov't seal on it...{conspiracy-loving junk snipped out of mercy for the sane among us}..." <<<


Try reading Vince Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Maybe it'll do you
some good. (But I kinda doubt it. Because you WANT a conspiracy.)

David Von Pein

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A continuation of the above post:

"RECLAIMING HISTORY": THE NOT-SO-MINI SERIES (PART 818)......

===================================================

[Scene opens with an exterior shot of Ruth Paine's home in Irving,
Texas.]

A mysterious-looking man from Chicago named "Rubenstein" (dressed all
in black and wearing a Fedora hat) silently sneaks up to the garage of
the Paine residence late one night in October of 1963.

The black-clad figure breaks into the Paine home and steals a blanket
roll which is on the floor of the garage. The thief then scurries away
from the house via his green Ford pick-up truck, unnoticed by anyone.

[Fade to black.]

Next scene....

The camera is focused on a tight close-up of a man seated in a chair
at his desk in a shabby office at 411 Elm Street in Dallas,
Texas. .... The man's name: Roy Sansom Truly. ....

The camera pulls back from the shocked and tortured face of Mr. Truly,
to reveal the surrounding office space. Three burly men in business
suits stare at Truly menacingly. Each man is packing a .38 Special
under his coat. And each man means business.

Henchman #1 growls at Truly (while Henchman #2 guards the office door,
watching for snoopers): "Okay, Truly, remember our deal! Let's hear
you repeat it one more time! There's gonna be a weasel named Oswald
walking in here tomorrow, and he's gonna get that job, see! You WILL
hire this Oswald creep, Truly! You got that straight?!!!! You're
either gonna hire him, or it's a pair of cement boots and the Trinity
River for you!! YOU GOT THAT???!!!"

Truly cowers in fear, as he does the only thing he can do when faced
with the type of abject terror being hurled at him by Clay Shaw (yes,
I forgot to mention that "Henchman #1" is, indeed, Mr. Clay Shaw of
New Orleans. And he means business, as I said before.)

[Fade to black.]

The following scene opens on the morning of October 15th, 1963. A
young man named Lee H. Oswald has just handed this document (top link)
to Roy S. Truly....

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0118b.htm

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/7014c5ae9f21a7cc

....Mr. Truly smiles at Lee Oswald, shakes his hand, and tells Lee to
start work tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM.

Truly's many facial wounds that he suffered as a result of the brass-
knuckled beating he was subjected to at the hands of Mr. Shaw the
previous day were no doubt easily visible as Oswald was being
interviewed. But Lee didn't suspect a thing. Everything went off like
clockwork. The "patsy plot" was now in full bloom.

[Scene fades to black, accompanied by a thunderous scene-ending
musical crescendo composed by none other than John "Star Wars"
Williams himself. The stage is now set for Episode #819 of the mini-
series, subtitled "Have Patsy, Will Travel (And Hopefully The
Motorcade Comes Our Patsy's Way)".]

After watching the debacle known as "Episode 818" on TV, Vincent T.
Bugliosi (breathing even more heavily and even redder in the face than
after Episode 817) reaches for the telephone.

As if Ep. #817 about a grassy-knoll gunman wasn't bad enough, the
feces were really going to hit the fan blades now with this wholly-
unauthorized tripe in Ep. 818!

A massive lawsuit started by Mr. Bugliosi against HBO and Playtone,
Inc. ensues.

Vince can only stare at his TV screen as the credits for Episode 818
scroll by slowly....he sees this unbelievable credit roll by: "Clay
Shaw...played by O.J. Simpson".

"But wasn't Clay Shaw a white man?", Vince mumbles to himself for the
sixth time tonight. This Simpson casting rubs even more salt in the
already enormous wound.

Vince continues to shake his head in utter bewilderment. He again
mumbles softly to himself: "If you can't trust Forrest Gump, my God
who can you trust?"

[Two years later, Mr. Bugliosi is awarded large quantities of cash as
a result of his lawsuit against Home Box Office, et al. The judge who
decided in Bugliosi's favor was so sickened by the underhanded
conspiracy-flavored tactics employed by Tom Hanks and HBO that he
sentenced Hanks to a truly-agonizing punishment -- Hanks was forced
read BOTH volumes of Judyth Vary Baker's fantasy book all the way
through without stopping (vomit breaks were not counted against Hanks;
after all, nobody REALLY has a cast-iron stomach).] .....

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JJ9WTBVYL._SS500_.jpg

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117966398.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

David Von Pein

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>>> "Bugliosi would not be questioning Mark Lane..." <<<

Well of course not, Mr. DUH!!

But that's not the point at all. The main point is --- Mr. Bugliosi
(in such a trial as depicted above against Mark Lane as Oz's defense
attorney) could have killed two birds (including one Lane) with one
stone during VB's questioning of Mrs. Markham -- i.e., he'd be telling
the jury that Markham's "bushy" words have been skewed beyond all
recoginition by the defense attorney and then further skewed later in
the press; Markham positively was talking about OSWALD and OSWALD'S
"messed up", uncombed hair when she saw him kill Officer Tippit....

http://elderlynegro.freehomepage.com/images/oswald_custody.jpeg

....And, bird #2, VB would be telling the jury point-blank with his
questions put to Markham that the lawyer on the other side of the
aisle was an unscrupulous character not worthy of the jury's trust.

And by getting the "Lane/Bushy" stuff into the record at the trial,
Vince could then pound away at Lane's trickery and deception re.
Markham during his Final Arguments to the jury. That would have been
sweet to see too. Too bad it didn't happen.

It would have been very similar to the beautiful way Bugliosi totally
destroys O.J.'s defense counsel members during Vincent's 1999 video
series that he made on the O.J. Simpson murder trial (based on his
book "Outrage").

Of course, VB rightly destroys Lane's (and virtually all other CT
authors') credibility in print in "Reclaiming History"....which is
very nice too. But a video would have been ultra-sweet to see as
well. .....

A SIMULATED SAMPLE........

"As you ladies and gentlemen of the jury saw with your own eyes and
HEARD with your own ears, via the playing here in court of that tape
recording.....the lead defense counsel in this case--Mr. Mark Lane--
practically JAMMED certain words down Mrs. Markham's throat during
that despicable March 1964 taped telephone conversation!

"And I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, is THAT the conduct you expect
to see from ANY lawyer who truly wants to get at the TRUTH in a
particular matter?! His conduct was abominable with respect to Mrs.
Helen Markham! Has he no shame? No shame at all??!!!

"I hope you men and women of the jury ponder that last question very
seriously as you begin your deliberations back in the jury room."

aeffects

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On Mar 12, 12:48 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ccdcb5529dcb77a4
>
> >>> "You're reaching. Badly." {Re. Oswald having possibly switched from the scope to the rifle's iron sights after the first shot.} <<<
>
> You're just plain kooky to say this. Several other people who have
> looked into the case think the same thing re. LHO possibly using both
> the scope and the iron sights during the assassination.

"possibly using both..."? several other people....? What kind of
drivel is this Mr. VonPein, either you know or don't. I suggest you
ask Vinnie how he'd handle this in court...

> >>> "If Oswald BORE shot the president using the IRON sight, great balls of fire, the target would be 4 TIMES farther away and make the shot from "behind" even more difficult than it already was." <<<
>
> Which wasn't difficult at all, of course....especially for a person
> trained to shoot in the Marines. 88 yards maximum at Shot #3, shooting
> at a virtually-stationary target moving away from him at 11 MPH. Duh!
>

I'm remind of Todd "Sgt. York" Vaughan telling us of his experience in
the great norther midwest out-doors, where he cut (with a manly
chainsaw no-less) a sillouette [sp.?] non-moving target out of
plywood, set it up in the woods sopmeplace, took a couple of pot shots
at it then declared yep, LHO did it all by his lonesone...

I asked Todd if the sillouette target shot back, he hasn't got back to
me yet.... there's nothing like simulating the real deal :)

David Von Pein

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THE TOPIC OF "JOHN F. KENNEDY" (BOTH HIS ALL-TOO-SHORT 1,037-DAY
PRESIDENCY AND HIS TRAGIC ASSASSINATION IN 1963) HAS BEEN RIPE OVER
THE YEARS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF A SEEMINGLY-ENDLESS STRING OF BOOKS,
VIDEOS, DVDs, CDs, AND CD-ROMs.

BELOW IS A LIST OF SUCH ITEMS PERTAINING TO THE LIFE AND DEATH OF THE
35TH U.S. PRESIDENT THAT I HAVE OBTAINED OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS.

WEBLINKS FEATURING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND/OR MY PERSONAL REVIEWS
HAVE BEEN PROVIDED FOR MANY OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL.....

=====================================================

BOOKS:

1.) Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F.
Kennedy. ....
www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3200858-post.html
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ee830e5f3d785a61
www.ReclaimingHistory.com
www.fora.tv/fora/fora_clip.php?cid=917
www.fora.tv/reclaiminghistory
www.wwnorton.com/catalog/spring07/004525.htm
www.amazon.com/dp/0393045250
www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-History-Assassination-President-Kennedy/forum/Fx2TVHW5I0UEY9A/-/1/ref=cm_cd_seo_fp_redir/105-4913190-2911629?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=0393045250
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=7f8im4pic0&v=1
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=8asjq3j40c&v=1

2.) The Warren Commission Report. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R224E9J6MWGA8
www.amazon.com/review/R3LYCRVOE8ACSG
www.amazon.com/review/R1K933MV9OCIDX

3.) With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald And The Murder Of Officer J.D.
Tippit. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RX09PCPWL9RCH
www.jdtippit.com

4.) Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald And The Assassination Of JFK. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3HRQGJ9PFH6EZ
www.amazon.com/review/R6QFDI7SQZF88

5.) Oswald's Game. ....
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9c2238388f0a72c3

6.) The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation Of The Kennedy
Assassination. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R6EGCI0WHHGAD

7.) Pictures Of The Pain: Photography And The Assassination Of
President Kennedy. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2MA8BUSBASWFR

8.) That Day In Dallas: Three Photographers Capture On Film The Day
President Kennedy Died. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RHXGG6PQ5QKV5

9.) National Nightmare On Six Feet Of Film: Mr. Zapruder's Home Movie
And The Murder Of President Kennedy. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3DGQVHYL2HMQZ

10.) Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical And Ballistic Comparisons Of Their
Assassinations. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2Y8HMTWRF6L2Q

11.) November 22, 1963: You Are The Jury. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2C5UCFXVF7B4I

12.) Final Disclosure: The Full Truth About The Assassination Of
President Kennedy.

13.) Conspiracy Of One: The Definitive Book On The Kennedy
Assassination. ....
www.amazon.com/review/ROEPV7B8GNG96

14.) When The News Went Live: Dallas 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RJTEB6UY458I8

15.) The Day Kennedy Was Shot: An Hour-By-Hour Account Of What Really
Happened On November 22, 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RYD6JTWASP90K

16.) November 22: The Day Remembered.

17.) Who's Who In The JFK Assassination.

18.) No More Silence: An Oral History Of The Assassination Of
President Kennedy.

19.) A Simple Act Of Murder: November 22, 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3BEKTGVKJGI72

20.) President Kennedy Has Been Shot (Includes an Audio-CD).

21.) Silencing The Lone Assassin: The Murders Of JFK And Lee Harvey
Oswald.

22.) The Killing Of A President. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R39QVLDORM057K

23.) Four Days.

24.) The Death Of A President. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RGHDDNLTB60EQ

25.) One Brief Shining Moment: Remembering Kennedy.

26.) JFK: A Hidden Life.

27.) The Memories: JFK: 1961-1963.

===========================================

VIDEOS AND DVDs (Video format is VHS, unless otherwise noted):

1.) The Kennedy Assassination (2-Tape Set)(From "Video Yesteryear").
Contains 4-plus hours of "As-It-Happened" NBC-TV coverage from
November 22, 1963. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R177NBVQ2GW9AC
www.amazon.com/review/R1PRKQRJXLNH2A
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=7x7co2jkkg

2.) "As-It-Happened" JFK assassination coverage from CBS-TV. The
footage begins at the very beginning of the soap opera "As The World
Turns" at 1:30 PM (Eastern Time), 11/22/63. .... 3 Tapes. .... 16
total hours of November 1963 footage.

3.) "As-It-Happened" JFK assassination coverage from ABC-TV. .... 2
Tapes. .... 12 total hours of November 1963 footage.

4.) "As-It-Happened" JFK assassination coverage from WABC-TV in New
York City. Features a portion of an episode of "Father Knows Best",
mixed in with "breaking news" bulletins about the shooting in
Dallas. .... 2 total hours of 11/22/63 footage.

5.) Four Days In November (1964)(Richard Basehart narrates)(MGM/UA
Home Video). .... Spectacular documentary film from famed producer
David L. Wolper, chronicling the events surrounding John F. Kennedy's
assassination. ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1ACSVLKDMJIL2
www.amazon.com/review/R31H8G9XY0TTFA
www.amazon.com/review/RW4LAECVAW7I9

6.) On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald (1986 Cable-TV Docu-Trial, featuring
Vincent Bugliosi as prosecuting attorney vs. Gerry Spence as Oswald's
lawyer). .... Actual witnesses to JFK's assassination give testimony
during this 5.5-hour televised Docu-Trial. .... Witnesses appearing
include: Wesley Frazier, Charles Brehm, Eugene Boone, Bill Newman,
Harold Norman, Ruth Paine, Marrion Baker, Lyndal Shaneyfelt, Paul
O'Connor, Vincent Guinn, Ted Callaway, Nelson Delgado, and Johnny
Brewer. ....

Dr. Cyril Wecht, noted JFK conspiracy advocate, also appears as a
witness. Wecht's lively confrontation with prosecuting attorney
Bugliosi is truly classic stuff. Mr. Bugliosi is on top of his game
when questioning Dr. Wecht regarding the whereabouts of the bullet
that Wecht claims went through JFK but did not hit Governor Connally,
who was seated in front of President Kennedy---

"It's coming on a downward path, Cyril! It's coming on a downward path
into the Presidential limousine, goes through the President's body,
misses Governor Connally, and MAGICALLY also misses the driver and
doesn't do ANY damage to the Presidential limousine?!?! ... What
happened to that PRISTINE bullet when it came through President
Kennedy's body?!" ....

Some of the most intense (and very interesting) testimony during "On
Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald" comes from Ruth Paine, who, even 23 years
after the horrible Friday in 1963, still feels the pain of that day.
That fact comes through loud and clear via her emotion-filled comments
to both Mr. Bugliosi and Mr. Spence during her time on the witness
stand. This whole "trial" provides a fascinating and very unique look
at a sad chapter in American history. ....
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9ccd8645d5da3d91

7.) Peter Jennings Reporting -- The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond
Conspiracy (ABC-TV Documentary)(DVD-R). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RRZZFH5PKSW23

8.) JFK: The Story Behind The Story: Dallas, November 22, 1963 (2-Disc
DVD/CD-ROM Set). .... Features WFAA-TV and WFAA-Radio excerpts from
November 1963. .... Exclusive "40th Anniversary" product released in
2003 by Belo Interactive, Inc., in association with The Dallas Morning
News. ....
www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2003/jfk/112203jfk.html

9.) John F. Kennedy: Years Of Lightning, Day Of Drums (1964)(Gregory
Peck narrates). .... This is one of the very finest JFK documentaries
ever made. A first-class production all the way, including Mr. Peck's
stellar narration and the impeccable music score that was composed by
Bruce Herschensohn (who also wrote and directed the film). .... This
film was made in 1964, but it didn't premiere in movie theaters until
April of 1966. ....

Memorable quote from "Years Of Lightning, Day Of Drums":

"And it was true the President was killed. But it was also true that
the assassin missed his target, for he wanted John Kennedy to die; and
that he was unable to do. For no man can take away years of lightning
with a single day of drums."
www.box.net/shared/yiryu0tc0o

10.) JFK: Beyond The Magic Bullet ("Unsolved History" program)(The
Discovery Channel)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3OK5PR93U8YON

11.) Primary (Robert Drew Collection)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R35XR8CKD9ZT6E

12.) Crisis: Behind A Presidential Commitment (Robert Drew Collection)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RFW3PJGUZPJWY

13.) Being With John F. Kennedy (Robert Drew Archive).

14.) JFK: Breaking The News (PBS-TV)(DVD-R). ....
www.kera.org/tv/productions/jfk

15.) President Kennedy Has Been Shot (CNN Documentary)(DVD-R).

16.) Image Of An Assassination: A New Look At The Zapruder Film (MPI
Home Video)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2M0203DF4J5CW

17.) JFK (Oliver Stone's 1991 feature film)(Warner Home Video)(2-Disc
DVD Set). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1ZW3QU49S1AM1
www.amazon.com/review/R1149ZO198XSBH

18.) Beyond JFK: The Question Of Conspiracy (Warner Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RZJX0UX72K2BU

19.) The Murder Of JFK: A Revisionist History (MPI Home Video)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RXA1CIHFYENNL

20.) Who Killed JFK?: Facts, Not Fiction (CBS-TV News Special)(CBS/FOX
Video).

21.) Who Killed JFK: The Final Chapter? (CBS-TV News Special).

22.) A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report (1967; 4-Part CBS-TV News
Special Documentary). ....
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/6b2a00b13bdc81ae

23.) Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? (1993; 3-Hour PBS-TV "Frontline"
Documentary). ....
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald

24.) Who Shot President Kennedy? (PBS-TV)(1988 "NOVA" Special; Walter
Cronkite narrates).

25.) JFK: The End Of Camelot (Discovery Channel Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R21F4PC8LBE9ZW

26.) 11-22-63: The Day The Nation Cried (View Video)(DVD)(Also known
as -- JFK: The Day The Nation Cried: November 22, 1963).

27.) The Plot To Kill JFK: Rush To Judgment (Mark Lane's 1967
documentary film based on his book)(MPI Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2X352QQGK52CU

28.) JFK: The Case For Conspiracy (Robert Groden)(Delta Entertainment)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3SW32NKVKITTR

29.) JFK: The Case For Conspiracy: Assassination Files (Robert Groden)
(Delta Entertainment)(DVD)(Also known as -- The Assassination
Films). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1FO0Z0L90V09Y

30.) Rivals: JFK vs. Khrushchev (Republic Pictures Video).

31.) Rivals: Oswald vs. Ruby.

32.) The Warren Commission (A&E/The History Channel).

33.) Assassination & Aftermath: The Death Of JFK And The Warren Report
(20th Century With Mike Wallace)(A&E Home Video/The History Channel).

34.) The JFK Assassination: The Jim Garrison Tapes (Vestron Video).

35.) Two Men In Dallas (Tapeworm Video).

36.) Conflict In Cuba: Bay Of Pigs & Cuban Missile Crisis (20th
Century With Mike Wallace)(A&E Home Video/The History Channel).

37.) NBC White Papers: The Kennedy Era (2-Tape Set)(NBC News)(New
Video Group). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1E7CZFP92PKM1

38.) John Fitzgerald Kennedy: A Celebration Of His Life And Times (3-
Tape Set)(Reader's Digest Video).

39.) The Secret Service (4-Tape Set)(A&E Home Video).

40.) Inside The Secret Service (White Star Video).

41.) Stalking The President (White Star Video).

42.) The Kennedys (MPI Home Video)(Also known as -- Kennedys Don't
Cry).

43.) The Kennedys -- The Early Years: 1900-1961 (PBS-TV)(DVD).

44.) The Kennedys -- The Later Years: 1962-1980 (PBS-TV)(DVD).

45.) LIFE In Camelot: The Kennedy Years (HBO Home Video).

46.) Thank You, Mr. President (45 minutes of clips from various JFK
Press Conferences; E.G. Marshall hosts)(Worldvision Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RPN38KXIDFFOW
www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Press+Conferences
www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/JFK+in+History/John+F.+Kennedy+and+the+Press.htm
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=ne5omp6w4k&v=1

47.) JFK: A Presidency Revealed (A&E Home Video/The History Channel)
(2-Disc DVD Set). .... Also includes two full-length A&E "Biography"
episodes: one on John F. Kennedy (double length; 90 minutes) and the
other on Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. ....
www.amazon.com/review/RJ0EQOIRSI4GW

48.) Biography: Lee Harvey Oswald (A&E Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RFL13UE1GN624
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=dcqllomwwo&v=1

49.) Biography: John F. Kennedy, Jr.: 1960-1999 (A&E Home Video).

50.) Biography: Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis (A&E Home Video).

51.) Biography: Jackie O.: In A Class Of Her Own (A&E Home Video).

52.) Jackie: Behind The Myth (PBS Home Video).

53.) The Life And Times Of John F. Kennedy (White Star Video).

54.) John F. Kennedy: The Commemorative Video Album (CBS/FOX Video).

55.) Jack: The Last Kennedy Film (CBS/FOX Video).

56.) ABC News Great T.V. News Stories -- The Great Debates: John F.
Kennedy vs. Richard M. Nixon (MPI Home Video).

57.) Kennedy And Nixon (A&E Home Video/The History Channel).

58.) The Men Who Killed Kennedy (A&E Home Video/The History Channel)
(2-Disc DVD Set). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R13YLHZQYXMVZY
www.amazon.com/review/R10A8UNAG60FJB

59.) Kennedy (1983 TV Mini-Series with Martin Sheen and Blair Brown)
(Lance Entertainment)(2-Disc DVD Set). .... Includes several bonus
programs on Disc 2, including "One Week In October" and the Tom Atkins
short (in-color) film "The Last Two Days". ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2ZL54PG4H2GIC

60.) One Week In October (IHF Video).

61.) The Missiles Of October (1974 TV-Movie starring William Devane
and Martin Sheen)(MPI Home Video)(DVD).

62.) Thirteen Days (2000 film starring Kevin Costner)(New Line Home
Video)(DVD).

63.) The Trial Of Lee Harvey Oswald (1977 TV-Movie starring Lorne
Greene/John Pleshette)(GoodTimes Home Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R3458DEJF9TFO4

64.) Ruby (1992 Theatrical Film)(Columbia/Sony Pictures)(DVD).

65.) JFK (1983 ABC-TV News Special; Peter Jennings narrates).

66.) 1963: A Television Album (CBS-TV Special).

67.) John F. Kennedy Remembered (NBC-TV Special).

68.) Kennedy vs. Wallace: A Crisis Up Close (PBS-TV Documentary).

69.) The Kennedy Mystique: Creating Camelot (Wellspring Media)(DVD).

70.) Complete CBS-TV and NBC-TV interviews with President John F.
Kennedy (circa 1963).

71.) Complete NBC-TV coverage of the JFK Inauguration (January 20,
1961).

72.) Complete NBC-TV coverage of JFK's Funeral (November 25, 1963).

73.) JFK: The Dallas Tapes (Produced by The Sixth Floor Museum At
Dealey Plaza).

74.) Films From The Sixth Floor Museum: John F. Kennedy And The Memory
Of A Nation. ....
www.sixthfloormuseum.com
www.amazon.com/review/R1E3GJA5W02RL9

75.) Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis Remembered (CBS/FOX Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2OMMUDJXAE2ZC

76.) A Tour Of The White House With Mrs. John F. Kennedy (Hollywood's
Attic Video). ....

NOTE: The Jackie-hosted "White House Tour", which originally aired on
network TV on February 14, 1962, can also be found on home video via
the CBS-produced videotape listed right above this one ("Jacqueline
Kennedy Onassis Remembered").

However, that CBS-TV program (made just after Jackie Kennedy's death
in 1994) has an edited, truncated version of the White House Tour,
despite the packaging expressly saying otherwise. The entire early
portion of the program, which has Jackie providing a history of the
White House, has been cut out of the CBS Video version.

77.) Making Of The President 1960.

78.) The Speeches Collection: John F. Kennedy (MPI Home Video).
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3a8c0d4e7c3c5e2e

79.) The LBJ Tapes (4-Tape Set)(White Star Video). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1WUOAVZP8ZSXY
www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widgetHash=kt8qtb3408&v=1

80.) JFK In Ireland (White Star Video).

81.) American Presidents: Kennedy/Nixon/Reagan (3-Tape Set)(Madacy
Video).

82.) Presidents (MPI Home Video).

83.) American Presidents (BFS Video).

84.) Air Force One (National Geographic Video).

85.) Air Force One: A History (A&E Home Video/The History Channel).

86.) Air Force One -- Flight II: The Planes And The Presidents (MPI
Home Video)(Charlton Heston hosts).

87.) "As-It-Is-Happening" news coverage from July 17, 1999 (A.M. hours
into afternoon; CNN footage) -- John F. Kennedy Junior's plane is
missing.

88.) Election Night 1960 (NBC-TV).

89.) Executive Action (1973 Theatrical Film)(Warner Home Video)
(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/RZDLCO3JOOSUV

90.) Oswald's Ghost (PBS Home Video)(DVD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R1S95P93PLA7OF

91.) 1963 Secret Service Assassination Reconstruction Film (Released
by the National Archives and Records Administration [NARA], in
conjunction with Amazon.com's custom DVD-On-Demand service)
(DVD-R). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2MY5BP9W41FRW
www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2007/nr07-122.html
www.createspace.com/Products/DVDOnDemand.jsp

===========================================

OTHER ITEMS (ON AUDIO CD AND CD-ROM):

1.) The Assassination Of John F. Kennedy: Four Days That Shocked The
World: November 22-25, 1963 (Audio CD). ....
www.amazon.com/review/R2VT60WYYA53CW

2.) JFK Assassination (MP3 CD)(8+ Hours of audio coverage). ....
www.otrcat.com/jfk.htm

3.) The JFK Assassination (MP3 CD)(7+ Hours of audio coverage)(146
individual MP3 files). ....
www.earthstation1.com/Merchant/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=E&Product_Code=JAMAC

4.) John F. Kennedy: 35th President Of The U.S.A. (Narrative and
Speech Highlights)(Audio CD).

5.) JFK Assassination: A Visual Investigation (CD-ROM)(Produced in
1993 by Medio Multimedia, Inc.).

===========================================

www.JFK-Audio-Video-Page.blogspot.com

www.amazon.com/MY-JFK-BOOKSHELF/lm/28ASYKLX6VLXX

www.amazon.com/JFK-DVDs-&-VIDEOS/lm/1O3UUOWUPUED3

www.amazon.com/JFK-35TH-PRESIDENT/lm/23ISVQ4JAFW0G

www.amazon.com/NOVEMBER-22-1963/lm/KQOLQ16IYM9H

===========================================

Walt

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On 12 Mar, 01:21, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> www.amazon.com/gp/discussionboard/discussion.html/ref=cm_cd_md_plRevi...

Why is it that nobody ever points out that Oswald qualified as
"sharpshooter" in the Marine Corp with an M1 Garand.
The M1 Garand is a totally different rifle than a Mannlicher Carcano.
The Carcano is a WW1 bolt action rifle with fixed open "V" notch
sights. The M1 is a WWII semi-automatic with adjustable "peep"
sights. Simply because smeone is qualified as "sharpshooter with one
rifle doesn't automatically nean he's a qualified "sharpshooter" with
the other.

Ben Holmes

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Mar 12, 2008, 3:54:37 PM3/12/08
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In article <15f33a7e-c7ce-45df...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Walt says...

Why is it that everyone likes to refer to his best, AND OLDEST score, rather
than one that would more accurately represent his present abilities?

No-one would seed a track star on the basis of his running time from 5 years
ago...

Oswald fired sharpshooter in December of 1956. Seven years prior to his alleged
shooting feat.

Oswald fired marksman in May of 1959. Four years prior to his alleged shooting
feat.


>The M1 Garand is a totally different rifle than a Mannlicher Carcano.
>The Carcano is a WW1 bolt action rifle with fixed open "V" notch
>sights. The M1 is a WWII semi-automatic with adjustable "peep"
>sights. Simply because smeone is qualified as "sharpshooter with one
>rifle doesn't automatically nean he's a qualified "sharpshooter" with
>the other.


Most principles remain the same. He wouldn't be as good as someone *trained* on
the Carcano - but the basic principles of sight alignment, trigger squeeze and
breath control would be the same.

But yes, he would *NOT* be quite as good on a different rifle.

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David Von Pein

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www.amazon.com/review/R1CLW2Z07OW3Q1/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=8&cdPage=1&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx37PUBZ99I4RG8#Mx37PUBZ99I4RG8

>>> "Von Pein, we need more people in this country to cut through the cow manure people like you, Al and Bugliosi try to shove down our throats." <<<

Only in the feeble and speculation-filled mind of a conspiracy-happy
kook could the VERIFIED OSWALD-DID-IT EVIDENCE be referred to as "cow
manure".

Jackson (and many kooks like him, unfortunately) thinks that BOTH U.S.
Government organizations that were called upon to investigate the
murder of the 35th U.S. Chief Executive -- organizations that
investigated the assassination some 15 years apart -- were BOTH DEAD-
WRONG when each of those Government bodies came to the unified
conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the only person who fired any
bullets that struck any victims in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.*

* = And this includes the HSCA, an organization that desperately
WANTED to find a "CONSPIRACY" in JFK's murder.

Imagine that -- an entity like the conspiracy-hungry HSCA couldn't
even find a way to make Oswald innocent of the two murders he
committed in Dallas. And this is a committee (the HSCA) with gobs of
resources at its disposal, including the luxury of having much more
time to investigate the case than the WC had (or took), plus the
benefit of being able to put together panels of experts to look deeper
into the forensics/autopsy evidence (via the FPP) and the photographic
evidence (via the HSCA's Photographic Panel).

This entity (the HSCA), which actually DID end up concluding that
there was a high probability that a conspiracy did exist in Dealey
Plaza (via info since debunked 1,000 times over), sided with the WC
when it came to the huge question of: WHO KILLED PRESIDENT KENNEDY?

The undeniable answer to that question, based on the sum total of
evidence in the case--via both the WC and the conspiracy-seeking HSCA--
was: Lee Harvey Oswald.

Doesn't that fact strike a conspiracy-happy kook like Mr. Dean Jackson
as just a tad bit odd...IF Oswald had REALLY been the proverbial
"Patsy For All Nov. 22 Murders" like many CTers actually believe?

If the HSCA, which was certainly on a hunt for a "plot" (ANY plot!) in
1977 and 1978, couldn't come up with something to take Saint Oswald
off the double-murdering hook --- then what in the world makes
INDEPENDENT, INDIVIDUAL RESEARCHERS think they can exonerate Mr.
Oswald, for Pete sake?

Food for (HSCA) thought anyway.

Now please don't disappoint me now, Jackson. It's your turn up to the
plate remember. Hopefully, Jackson The Kook will treat us to some of
his special brand of "CTer Cow Manure"....such as, perhaps, gushing
forth a theory about how the ENTIRE House Select Committee on
Assassinations was filled with nothing but a pack of underhanded and
rotten liars. Or maybe a theory about how the HSCA was just plain
STUPID to have NOT seen the obviousness of Lee Harvey Oswald's "Patsy"
status as of 1977-1978.

Right, Jackson?

You're up, Dean-O. And still looking for your first base hit since
joining the CT Amazon team in 2007. Will Jackson get that long-sought-
after initial hit of the season? Or will he continue to spout
unsupportable conspiracy-tinged tripe....as per usual?

(Anybody want to wager some cash on that last inquiry?)

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On Mar 15, 12:40 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/aa835...
>
> >>> "The principal post here was my 3/6 {post:} "Bonnie Ray Williams Fires from the Second Window from the End"." <<<
>

quoting yourself doesn't make it true, Dave... You're giving Indiana a
bad name, kiddo......

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>>> "The principal post here was my 3/6 {post:} "Bonnie Ray Williams Fires from the Second Window from the End"." <<<

Oh, yeah. Make sure you highlight that PROVEN-TRUE bombshell of an
accusation one more time. That'll do your credibility a whole lot of
good.

Donald, tell me: Why do you want to put a rifle in the hands of two
completely-innocent young men named Bonnie Ray Williams and Danny
Garcia Arce?

Just....why? Is it in order to be "different" from all the other
conspiracy-seeking people of the Earth?

>>> "I love it when you bring up those shells, which Fritz said he didn't touch." <<<


Even if he did touch the shells, how would that make those same shells
CEASE BEING SHELLS FROM LEE OSWALD'S RIFLE?


>>> "Arce could not account for his whereabouts..." <<<


Nor does he really need to (given the evidence that indicates he had
nothing to do with the shooting in Dealey Plaza).


>>> "...And he {Arce} was with Williams both before and after 12:30." <<<


Great "tie-in" to a "plot" there, Don. They were seen together in
their workplace at certain times on the day the President is killed
(but they weren't "together" exactly AT 12:30, btw), so this somehow
means that Arce and Williams are to be considered the actual KILLERS
of JFK. Is that correct, Donald?


Via this logic, I think I could make a pretty fair case for Bill
Shelley and Roy Truly being the actual snipers. After all, didn't
Truly have one or more guns in his office a few days before the
assassination? And surely we have some witnesses who could put those
two Depository bosses "together" at certain times both BEFORE and
AFTER 12:30 PM on 11/22/63....right?

I'd look into that Shelley/Truly teaming if I were you, Donald.


>>> "Yes, when your Homicide Captain tampers with it {all the "CT" evidence in the case, which miraculously disappeared off the face of the globe immediately after the assassination}!" <<<


Yeah, sure Don. And then Captain Fritz makes sure he has a CAMERAMAN
(Alyea) up on the 6th Floor FILMING HIS EVERY MOVE (including, per you
kooks, the act of Fritz--one of the main "plotters"/"cover-uppers"--
physically picking up the shells FOR NEFARIOUS, EVIL, AND UNDERHANDED
PURPOSES!

You'd think that after 31 years as the Homicide Captain in Dallas that
Fritz would have been more careful when he went around framing
innocent patsies for Presidential murders in broad daylight.

But, instead of throwing Tom Alyea out of the building (or at the very
LEAST, make the guy STOP FILMING THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY that you kooks
think was occurring on that 6th Floor that day), Fritz allows Alyea to
not only stay at the crime scene, but he allows him to continue to
film all of this covert shell-handling activity that CTers think was
happening in the TSBD.

Go figure the idiocy of that "Fritz Conspiratorial Mindset".

But, back in reality, since reasonable people know beyond a reasonable
doubt that no such covert shell-planting activity was occurring on the
sixth floor of the Book Depository on Nov. 22nd, it means that Fritz
HAD NOTHING TO HIDE FROM ALYEA'S PROBING CAMERA LENS.

IOW -- Innocent people don't have to worry about covering their
tracks....because there are no tracks (of conspiracy) to cover.
Period.


>>> "Arce & Williams turn up at the Elm St. building about the same time as Oswald. Don't think any of the 3 is innocent." <<<


Then why stop with just that trio of plotters, Don? You surely don't
want to leave Wesley Frazier out of your make-believe assassination
plot, do you? (Prob'ly not, huh?)

Frazier's start date at the Depository, in fact, more closely matches
Williams' and Arce's than it does Oswald's.


Here are the TSBD starting dates for these employees (mainly via WC
records/testimony):


Arce -- September 6, 1963.

Williams -- September 8, 1963.


Frazier -- September 1963.


Oswald -- October 16, 1963.

Yep....Frazier's GOT to be a conspirator too (based on the above work
timetable).

I'd look into that if I were a kook...er...um...I mean if I were you,
Don.


>>> "Hello to David on the moon!" <<<


How could I possibly be on the lunar surface? Astronauts never really
did land on the moon at all....did they Don? That was all a ruse too,
wasn't it?

It was probably the result of some kind of NASA plot devised by
Captain Fritz, Bonnie Ray Williams, and Danny Arce. After all, we can
always blame those three guys for any kind of crazy plot a kook dreams
up. Right, Don?

I'd look into that angle if I were you.

In the meantime, for a little CS&L, try:

www.DavidVonPein.blogspot.com

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FROM THE POINT-OF-VIEW OF A LONE-ASSASSIN BELIEVER.....

LINKS TO VARIOUS D.V.P.-AUTHORED ESSAYS, REVIEWS, AND COMMENTS
PERTAINING TO THE 11/22/63 ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
AND THE MURDER OF DALLAS POLICE OFFICER J.D. TIPPIT:

======================================================

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY: THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY" BY VINCENT BUGLIOSI (FULL-LENGTH VERSION OF REVIEW):
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3200858-post.html

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (ANOTHER FULL-LENGTH VERSION):
http://blog.myspace.com/davidvp1961

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (ABBREVIATED VERSION):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4d0e813277d5baa0

BOOK REVIEW -- "RECLAIMING HISTORY" (AMAZON.COM VERSION):

http://www.amazon.com/David-Von-Pein/review/RZD82270D69E8

TAKING IT TO THE "2 BULLETS" BANK:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ebc27fc4b5630502

TIPPIT TIMELINES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a3dd04bbf82d03e0

======================================================

======================================================

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 165):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/1d5d549884a8d53c

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 166):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/432c5c76b6487e3e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 167):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/37527217edf9209d

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 168):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9d7d35ee57f1498f

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 169):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a8523998e10af38a

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 170):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/84b5ce53c079752e

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 171):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/55b71b39b99a82b7

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 172):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/27ec73c2ea434fe1

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 173):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9fcd359394760c44

======================================================

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 46):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8075b167fc88f2e4

David Von Pein

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============================================

www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3331508-post.html


www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3281728-post.html

============================================

David Von Pein

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======================================================

TIPPIT TIMELINES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a3dd04bbf82d03e0

======================================================

======================================================

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 174):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d742780a334a18e6

ASSORTED ASSASSINATION ARGUMENTS (PART 175):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/271994fbd884e84c

======================================================

MISC. JFK ASSASSINATION POSTS OF INTEREST (PART 47):
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b546b81bfdb72099

David Von Pein

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"RECLAIMING HISTORY" REVIEW:

"When I first decided to buy this, all the reviews said it was a
"work", a "tome", a "comprehensive destruction of all the conspiracy
theories" (I may be paraphrasing a little).

"And they were right. In my youth I had a feeling something was
wrong with the "official story", that Oswald couldn't have done the
shooting. Later I began to understand he DID do it, alone, but I
couldn't formulate it.

"But along comes this book and explains, again and again, and
again and again (and again and again), and again, why every. Single.
Conspiracy theory. Is wrong. In excruciating detail.

"If you still believe that Kennedy's death was the result of a
conspiracy after reading this book, you're either intellectually
dishonest or stupid. No, just stupid." -- Christian Andersen; March
25, 2008

www.amazon.com/review/R3MUUZV2TRZX2R

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www.amazon.com/review/R13YLHZQYXMVZY/ref=cm_cr_rev_detmd_pl?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdMsgNo=27&cdPage=3&cdSort=oldest&cdMsgID=Mx3GTHE1GEPVYH7#Mx3GTHE1GEPVYH7


"You know guys, I was sitting on the fence with the conspiracy
theories, watching you all banter back and forth...I liked Posner's
book, then I read about the dictabelt and was totally confused.

"THEN I watched this documentary [TMWKK] and didn't know what to
think....then I re-read the slimmed-down Warren Report.

"I gotta say, as a fence-sitter...Mr. Von Pein is BLOWING YOU
GUYS AWAY !!! He is quoting cold, hard facts and you guys are all
coming back with witnesses who show up years later...threads,
speculation, witness testimony that is, at best, vague.

"Mr. Clement, Steve...you guys need a cold, hard smoking gun and
this documentary isn't it, Harold Weisberg isn't it and Mark Lane is a
self-aggrandizing profiteer who scammed off of Mama Oswald

"You need something that outdoes the palm print and the
ballistics reports...AND you need something other than NO ONE could re-
create Oswald's shots, because ONE VISIT to Dealy Plaza will end that
argument.

"Just telling you..if I was the jury, based on YOUR conspiracy
arguments...I would vote life without parole for Lee Harvey." --
"clutchhitter" (Amazon.com username; real name unknown); March 27,
2008

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www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/6e755cd0f8ffa1ef/f12e682c0b5064dd?#f12e682c0b5064dd


>>> "Do you think it would have been imposible [sic] for Boswell to "smooth" [push] the rear scalp (with one or two loose pieces of bone adhered to its underside) back into place before the X-rays, if it had moved out of position in DP?" <<<


Based on the X-ray pictured below, the answer to that question almost
certainly has to be 'Yes'. Such activity by Boswell is
"impossible" (IMO) and yet still have the "loose pieces of bone
[skull]" NOT SHOW UP AS CRACKS ON THIS X-RAY (which they don't at all;
not a crack in the skull to be seen in the FAR-RIGHT-REAR of the BOH):

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm

How did the multiple fracture lines and cracks in JFK's skull (cracks
and fracture lines that would most assuredly have existed on his
cranium if major skull damage did, in fact, exist in the far RIGHT-
REAR portion of Kennedy's head) go completely undetected by the above
"unaltered in any manner" X-ray? How?


>>> "Don't bother answering that...I know your well-thought-out answer already." <<<


But you decided you'd ask the question anyway. Nice.


>>> "And you think Humes was a liar. Great." <<<


When did I ever say that?

Answer: Never.

>>> "Hell, you must think Boswell was a liar too....he said he replaced some pieces of skull before the X-rays." <<<


I'm dubious about Boswell's chronology there (as he recounts it 33
years later). I don't think he "lied". I think he's merely mistaken.

And the only pieces of skull that were probably put back in were the
three pieces of skull that arrived at Bethesda from Dallas during the
autopsy. But it's highly doubtful that ANY pieces of skull were "put
back in" BEFORE the X-rays were taken. That's just...well...dumb.

>>> "Cripes, good thing Finck didn't show up until a little later, you probably would have had him lying too....not to mention about 25 PH and other Bethesda EYEwitnesses." <<<

~sigh~


>>> "What good are autopsies when the prosectors are deemed to be liars?" <<<


None of autopsy doctors lied. None.

>>> "Nuff said, between us on this." <<<

Wanna bet?


Bottom Line (once again):

BY FAR the best evidence supporting NO LARGE BOH WOUND is this X-ray
showing the whole RIGHT SIDE of John F. Kennedy's head at autopsy:


http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm

If you can find some way to debunk what I'm seeing in the above X-ray,
I'd love to hear that argument.

I.E., find a way to convince a reasonable person (which I consider
myself to be) that a portion of the FAR-RIGHT-REAR of JFK's skull (all
of which is visible in the above-linked X-ray) was badly damaged to
the point where pieces from this far-right-rear area of his skull
actually BROKE FREE from the remainder of his head....and yet (after a
doctor re-inserted these multiple skull fragments into their proper
places in the far-right-rear section of JFK's cranium BEFORE any X-
rays were taken) NOT A SINGLE VISIBLE FRACTURE LINE OR CRACK IS TO BE
SEEN IN THE FAR-RIGHT-REAR AREA OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S HEAD VIA THE
ABOVE X-RAY.

Good luck.

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>>> "Do you think he {Vincent T. Bugliosi} would have simply ignored such information? I have an extremely hard time believing he would." <<<

Upon doing some searching in VB's book and CD, it appears that Vince
has not addressed the Zimmerman/Sturdivan "trail of opacities low on
the X-ray" topic. At least I cannot find any such reference in VB's
hefty book (and CD).

However, I could have possibly missed a reference to it in the actual
book itself, since the book is so immense (and there's no quick
"Search" tool to scan the actual book, like there is for the PDF file
on the CD).

Perhaps Vince didn't see anything in Sturdivan's book (starting at
Page 193) that would be DEFINITIVE enough in VB's mind to indicate
that the bullet that killed JFK positively entered at the much-lower
location on the head (vs. the HSCA's cowlick area determination).

Then, too, perhaps my next comment (below John's next comment)
explains things even better (from VB's point-of-view).....


>>> "Perhaps you don't think the conflict over the entry location mattered to him {VB}?" <<<

I think this passage from Vincent's book sums that up fairly well:

"Much has been made in the assassination literature of the fact
that the autopsy surgeons were wrong on the location of the entrance
wound. But is there any real significance to the head entrance wound
being 3 inches higher than the autopsy surgeons said it was other than
as a reflection of the ALLEGED incompetence of the surgeons? "No, not
really," Dr. Werner Spitz...said. "It's just a red herring. We know
from the autopsy photos and X-rays that there was only one entrance
wound to the back of the president's head. The only significance this
matter has is academic." (Telephone interview of Dr. Werner Spitz by
author [VB] on March 26, 2005)." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages 395-396 of
"Reclaiming History" (footnote)(c.2007)


>>> "Baden wrote that Humes was incompetent and that the autopsy was one of the worst ever. He went on to say that the four-inch miscalculation was the biggest mistake. So, if it turns out that it was Baden et. al. who were wrong about the entry, and not Humes, doesn't that restore at least a little credibility to the autopsy? That'd be pretty significant, IMHO...something that mattered." <<<


I can't fully explain why Humes wanted to originally depict the entry
wound way too low on the head (when we can see that it was HIGH on the
head from the autopsy photo). But the fact also remains that Humes DID
reverse himself in 1978. He admitted he was wrong about the exact
entry-wound location:

"Yes, I think that I do have a different opinion. .... The upper
object is clearly in the location of where we said approximately where
it was, above the external occipital protuberance; therefore, I
believe that is the wound of entry." -- JAMES J. HUMES; HSCA TESTIMONY

>>> "And what about the credibility of Baden's panel? If they were grossly wrong about the entry location, what else were they wrong about?" <<<


Well, offhand, I can think of two major things that the HSCA got
wrong:

1.) Their conclusion that JFK was probably killed as the result of a
conspiracy. .....


www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/acoustics.htm


www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/5a2c37b0a094ce90

-- And: --


2.) Their conclusion that the wound in JFK's throat was anatomically
HIGHER than the wound in Kennedy's upper back. .....


www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d1d7ea222703d800


The HSCA, however, probably wasn't wrong about the location of the
entry wound on the back of President Kennedy's head.

You win some and you lose some, I guess. ~shrug~

I, myself, favor the Warren Commission's investigation over the one
conducted by the HSCA (all things considered).

The HSCA was also wrong about the SBT timeline too (I forgot to
mention that one earlier). But the WC got it right by "bracketing" the
SBT gunshot into Zapruder frames 210 to 225 (which is perfect,
considering the fact that the actual "SBT" frame [Z224, IMO] does,
indeed, rest within that bracketed range).

The HSCA's Z190 estimate for the SBT shot is ridiculously early....and
even Vince Bugliosi thinks so too (although Vince DID seem to endorse
such an early Z190 SBT hit at the 1986 TV Docu-Trial in London).

I suspect that VB's further post-1986 research, however, set Vince
straight on the SBT matter (or a little bit straighter anyway, as he
seems to favor Z210 as the approx. time for the SBT bullet strike in
his book).

Mr. Bugliosi, though, still misses (and totally ignores) the obvious
initial involuntary reactions of Governor Connally that are easily
seen in Z-Film frames 224 to 230:

http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/4594.gif

But at least VB knows that the SBT (regardless of the exact Z-Film
frame) is a rock-solid fact....as do I.

>>> "I don't see how VB would have been able to get into his book any developments that weren't really available to him until, at the earliest, late 2005, considering the incredibly monumental task of working with the editors editing what had already been submitted." <<<


Oh, Vince references Sturdivan's 2005 book ("The JFK Myths") several
times throughout "Reclaiming History" (on pages 810, 814, and 854, to
name three instances within the physical book itself, plus many
additional references to "JFK Myths" within the CD's Endnotes). So
Vince, quite obviously, most certainly had read Sturdivan's book
before his own book, "RH", went to press.

And, btw, I was correct when I said this in an earlier post:

"VB's book wasn't put to bed with the Norton publishers until
mid to late November 2006 (and published 05/15/07). VB was still able
to add insertions into the manuscript up until that time in November
'06." -- DVP; 03/27/08

I dug up these passages from the CD's Endnotes for VB's "Reclaiming
History", confirming what I just said above:


"...I told him that I would be calling him close to the time the
book was going to press for a number up to that point, which turned
out to be in late November 2006. In a telephone conversation with Sawa
on November 26, 2006, he told me that as of that date..."

"Right near the time of my submission of final proofs for this
book to my publisher in November 2006, I called Steve Tilley to get a
wrap-up to date on some facts and figures."


So, as can be seen, references to phone calls that were made in
November of 2006 found their way into the final published first
edition of VB's "RH".

There are many, many other "2006" source references listed in "RH" as
well. Here's just one more example (from Endnotes page #146):

"Telephone interview of Judge John Tunheim by author [VB] on
November 3, 2006."

BTW, here's a direct reference to Chad Zimmerman and Larry Sturdivan
(concerning the 6.5mm object/opacity) made by VB in a footnote on the
CD-ROM (with another reference to Sturdivan's 2005 book as well,
indicating once again that Vince had indeed read that book before
finishing his own):


"Warren Commission and HSCA ballistic expert Larry Sturdivan and
assassination researcher Dr. Chad R. Zimmerman have in later years
analyzed the object seen in the X-rays. Sturdivan concluded it was not
a bullet fragment but Zimmerman is not sure.

"However, both concluded it was not a forgery but an artifact of
unknown origin. (Sturdivan: E-mail to Stuart Wexler, March 9, 1998, in
Mantik, "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination: The Medical Evidence
Decoded," in Fetzer, Murder in Dealey Plaza, p.266; Zimmerman: Letter
from Chad Zimmerman to author dated April 30, 2005).

"In his 2005 book, 'The JFK Myths', Sturdivan writes that it is
"probably a bone chip spalled off the outside of the skull as it
crashed at that location in the explosion of Kennedy's head" nearby
(Sturdivan, JFK Myths, p.194).

"In a 2006 letter to me, Dr. Zimmerman wrote that "Larry and I
both believe that the 6.5 mm fragment on the frontal x-ray is real and
was not added later, as Mantik posits. Basically, [neither] Larry nor
I know what it is because it wasn't...retrieved. Larry does not
believe that it is a bullet fragment. However, it is metal.
Personally, I think it may actually have been a bullet fragment that
was stuck in the hair or on the skin and later fell off...I feel that
it is real because of the lack of film grid lines in the surrounding
area, which, in my opinion, are an absolute must...in order for it to
be a post-autopsy forgery. Since it is not seen on the lateral x-rays,
it is by definition an artifact. An artifact may be a real object or a
defect in film processing...The term does not mean that it is an
artificial object" (Letter from Dr. Zimmerman to author dated March
15, 2006)." -- VB; Pages 221-222 of "RH" Endnotes (c.2007)


ANOTHER STURDIVAN ADDENDUM:


While searching for "Sturdivan" via the PDF file's search tool on the
"RH" CD-ROM disc, I found the following passage, which is interesting
too--in a purely "common sense" kind of fashion (and there are
hundreds and hundreds of such commonsense-filled passages in "RH",
btw). Of course, those who vigorously oppose Dr. Guinn's NAA
conclusions will deem the following quotes pure trash. But, so be it:


"Eighteen years later, Larry M. Sturdivan and K. A. Rahn made
essentially the same point and extended it by pointing out that
therefore (and assuming, of course, that NAA evidence is conclusive,
which it is not) the hotly disputed issue of the "location of the rear
head wound is irrelevant."

"The reasoning, they note, "is very simple. Since NAA ties the
tiny fragments from JFK's brain...to the large fragment found in the
front seat, and since ballistics shows that the front-seat fragment
came from Oswald's rifle (in the depository behind Kennedy), the
front-
seat fragment originated in the depository, passed through the head
from rear to front and deposited tiny fragments along the way, and
came to rest in the front-seat.

"Since we know where it started, where it ended, and that it
passed through the head along the way, the details of its entrance and
exit in the head are not needed to determine the source of the
shots." (Sturdivan and Rahn, "Neutron Activation and the JFK
Assassination, Part II," p.220)" -- VB; Page 434 of "RH" Endnotes
(footnote)(c.2007)

www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3200858-post.html


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>>> "The external beveling and the location of their exit wound." <<<

BULLETIN!! ---

Newly-discovered info has revealed the following bombshell:

Dr. Anthony Marsh was at JFK's autopsy on 11/22/63 AD!

It's not known WHY, up to today, Dr. Marsh's presence at Bethesda
Naval Hospital during Kennedy's autopsy has never been revealed. But
it has now become fairly obvious that due to Dr. Marsh's immense
knowledge of every tiny procedure that took place at Bethesda on
11/22/63 that Dr. Marsh must have, indeed, been located in the same
autopsy room with Drs. Humes, Finck, and Boswell during John Kennedy's
post-mortem examination.

A new book is pending on the subject, to be titled: "ONLY MARSH KNOWS:
THE FANTASTIC TALE OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S 4TH AUTOPSY DOCTOR" (Simon &
Schuster; 968 pages; Spring 2011 catalog).

David Von Pein

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JOHN CANAL SAID:

>>> "And you would be examining the originals to determine that...or God-knows-how-many generation scans of copies of the films?" <<<


DVP RETORTS:

I'm utilizing the image of the X-ray that appears on Page 112 of WC
Volume 7. What makes you think this image is many, many generations
removed from the original?:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm


Several "fracture lines" and cracks in the skull are easily visible in
that X-ray above (regardless of "generation" number).

I guess we're supposed to believe, per Mr. Canal's theory, that ONLY
fracture lines and skull cracks that support his theory about BOH
damage are totally invisible in that X-ray (while other cracks are
highly visible). Eh, John?


>>> "You just can't see everything you want to see on the copies!" <<<


How convenient for you (and your BOH theory).


>>> "OIC, when he {Dr. Humes} says something that you say is untrue, he's just mistaken, not lying." <<<


Yes. Exactly. Of course. I thought that would be obvious (especially
to another LNer).

In short -- Humes would not have had the slightest reason or desire to
want to lie about ANYTHING relating to John Kennedy's autopsy. None.
Zero. Zilch.

And he didn't lie. He seems to have been a bit of a bonehead about
some stuff, yes. I won't argue with you on that score. But was he a
"liar"? Get real. Of course he wasn't. And never was.

>>> "Humes said he saw part of the cerebellum so there had to have been an opening there and 20+ witnesses agree with him--you just can't live with it." <<<


But you liked it when you could point out earlier that Humes was
"confused" re. his HSCA testimony (where he totally changed his mind
about the location of the entry hole in the head).

Maybe Humes was "confused" about seeing cerebellum oozing out of a 6-
mm. entry hole at the back of JFK's head too. Ya think?

Or was he supposedly seeing this cerebellum coming out of your make-
believe LARGE BOH HOLE at the back of Kennedy's skull? You know, the
hole that doesn't exist and never did, as proven by the X-ray:


http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm

aeffects

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On Mar 29, 3:13 pm, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_thread/thread/6e755...

>
> JOHN CANAL SAID:
>
> >>> "And you would be examining the originals to determine that...or God-knows-how-many generation scans of copies of the films?" <<<
>
> DVP RETORTS:
>
> I'm utilizing the image of the X-ray that appears on Page 112 of WC
> Volume 7. What makes you think this image is many, many generations
> removed from the original?:
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA...
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA...

son-of-a-bitch son --- you're spending way to much time talking to
yourself..... ain't selling another book 'tis it? LMFAO!

David Von Pein

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>>> "You're spending way to much time talking to yourself." <<<


Sure as hell beats talking to a kook like you.

David Von Pein

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>>> "So, VB buys an artifact that just happens to be the same approx. diameter as the ammo LHO used and the same approx. distance right of midline as the prosectors low entry, and just happens to end up vertically where an entry might "seem" more consistent with a shot from six floors up than an entry location near the EOP would? .... VB's slipping, IMO. BTW, Sturdivan admits all that would be one Hell of a coincidence...but goes on to say coincidences happen. Sure, my friend, sure they do." <<<


But WHERE does the "6.5 mm. opacity" (or "object") take you John?
Where?

It's certainly not taking you toward a second gunman...because you
don't believe there WAS a second gunman in Dealey Plaza. Nor do I.

The "object" is a complete "UNKNOWABLE". We don't know WHAT the heck
it is. Nobody ever has known for certain what the heck it is/was.

I, for one, have filed the "6.5mm. object" topic away in my "Forever
Unknowable" drawer. And I think Vincent T. Bugliosi has done the same
thing too.

Maybe you, John, should consider labelling one of your file drawers in
the same manner. Because not every last thing CAN be known with 100%
certainty about this murder case.*

* = With another good example of an "unknowable" in the JFK case being
--- The exact positions of JFK & JBC at the instant each man was
struck by the SBT bullet on Elm Street.

We can NEVER know with geometric perfection the exact location and
physical posture of the men as they sat in their seats while they were
being hit by that bullet (although Dale Myers' computer re-creation
has probably come as close to mimicking the victims' positions as
humanly possible), especially when such complete knowledge is
literally impossible to ascertain, since the Stemmons freeway sign is
blocking our view of President Kennedy when he is hit by Bullet CE399.

But that "unknowable" doesn't mean we can't determine beyond all
reasonable doubt (when utilizing other evidence in the case) that
CE399 did, in fact, pass through both men on November 22nd.

I sometimes think that CTers are of the odd opinion that EVERY last
thing MUST be known with 100% certainty in order to render an informed
opinion about a particular topic -- the SBT specifically.

And I'm guessing that as long as ANY "unknowables" (such as that
6.5mm. "object") still exist with respect to the JFK assassination,
then certain CTers will use those unknowable things to prop up visions
of conspiracy and shady underhandedness on the part of somebody
connected with the case.

But, again, where does such a thing really take the theorist?

Answer: Down a dead-end street. Like always.

David Von Pein

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>>> "THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT THE REAR SKULL WAS NOT FRAGMENTED [LOOSE]. AND IF YOU CAN'T, YOU SHOULD DEFER TO ALL THE BOH WOUND WITNESSES." <<<

I disagree. The image below is as close as you can possibly get to
verifiable "proof" that there was no large hole in the back of John F.
Kennedy's head:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm

>>> "I may be a LNer, but I want to see the truth come out." <<<


In my opinion, the truth has come out.


>>> "He {Dr. Humes} lied...more than once---but the lies were well intended." <<<

These "lies", therefore, couldn't have possibly been "mistakes in
judgment" or "mistakes in interpretation" or just plain garden-variety
"mistakes" that human beings make every day (even during some
autopsies I would surmise), could they John?


Let's review the official definition of that much-bandied-about word
"LIE" for just a moment (via Dictionary.com):

"LIE" -- (noun):

1. A false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an
intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. Something intended or serving to convey a false impression;
imposture.
3. An inaccurate or false statement.
4. The charge or accusation of lying -- [as in the following example:]
"He flung the lie back at his accusers."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lie


Now, out of the above 4 possible definitions for the noun "Lie", how
many can be applied to Dr. James Joseph Humes?

#1 cannot be applied. No way. No how. (And this is the primary
definition that most people think of when they think of the word
"Lie"; hence, it's the #1 definition for this noun.)

#2, IMO, also cannot be applied to Dr. Humes with respect to anything
he has said concerning JFK's wounds or his autopsy since 1963. (Your
mileage on this one may vary, and no doubt shall.)

#3 is the one where we could honestly say that Dr. Humes could fit
(with respect to his original version of the very-low location for
JFK's head entry wound). But as far as the "intent to deceive" part of
#3 here....no way. (IMO.)(YMMV.)

#4 doesn't apply to Humes either. #4 deals with the way the word is
utilized after having already been defined as either #1, #2, or #3
above.

So, if you want to call Dr. Humes a "liar", you've got only the third
definition to work with, because none of the others describes Humes'
conduct, IMO.

And that would seem to be more of a semantics game than anything else
(via the #3 definition above). Technically, via the dictionary, "An
inaccurate or false statement" does equal a "Lie"....but without #1 in
place, #3 falls flat. Because a #3 "lie" can just as easily equal a
"mistake" or "innocent error"....which is the case with Dr. Humes
(IMO).

>>> "LOL! He {James "I'm All Confused" Humes} was confused like so many others that had the BOH photo shoved in his face when he was asked to show the entry on it...you know the photo that does appear to show the wound high." <<<


Yeah, I thought you'd get a kick out of my "confused" comment. ;)

>>> "David, I think we are about done here. You are on record as saying the X-ray "almost certainly" and "in your opinion" shows that Boswell couldn't have "smoothed" [pushed] a couple of loose pieces of rear skull back into place...and now you say the x-rays are proof that couldn't have been done." <<<


Yes, that's my opinion as of this date (03/30/2008 AD).

>>> "As a matter of fact, a long time ago, I'm almost certain you said you'd always been bothered because of all the BOH witnesses..." <<<


Yes, I certainly did say that. And those witnesses still bother me. I
can't fully explain them. But there's BETTER EVIDENCE than those BOH
witnesses' eyeballs, IMO. And that better evidence is the autopsy
photos and X-rays and the autopsy report. And those things just simply
do NOT support your theory regarding a large-sized BOH wound, John.


>>> "...and I also seem to recall you saying I might be right about a BOH wound (is my recollection pretty accurate?)..." <<<


You are 100% accurate on that point, John. You've got a good memory,
and I was kind of wondering if you would be reminding me of that fact
in this thread. Two of my original posts regarding that matter (from
May 2007 and November 2007) are linked below:


"But as of this moment, it's my belief that a large-sized BOH
wound (i.e., a big HOLE) did not exist at all in the back of JFK's
head.

"Because if it did exist, IMO the LNers (including myself of
course) have got a very, very big problem. And that problem is: THREE
LYING AUTOPSY DOCTORS.

"And I just don't think we have that in this case. I simply
cannot wrap my brain around the idea that ALL THREE autopsy doctors,
from Humes to Boswell to Finck, for whatever reason, would tell what
amounts to 40-plus years worth of deception with respect to the true
nature of the wounds of an assassinated U.S. President.

"Perhaps John Canal is 100% correct and I'm dead wrong. That's
possible...I'll admit it. But I just cannot embrace the thus-far-
unsupported notion that HB&F could be that deceptive (for years on
end) with respect to the most important autopsy any of them would ever
perform in their entire lives. "Military orders" or not." -- DVP; May
7, 2007

www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9d74b90344959920


www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/9ed1a4df6942f264


Footnote -- Since I wrote those above-linked posts, I've taken a
better look at the X-ray below, and just cannot see any way around the
following fact: THERE SIMPLY IS NO LARGE-SIZED HOLE IN THE BACK OF
JOHN F. KENNEDY'S HEAD. IT JUST ISN'T THERE. PERIOD. .....


http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm

But I will say this (so that I don't have all of my eggs in just one
basket): You still may be right John. Hardly anything is totally
"impossible" -- if, that is, you can align your theories properly, and
in just the right sequence (while ignoring a good deal of common sense
while you're aligning them).

Just ask Oliver Stone and the late Jim Garrison about that. Those guys
actually think/thought it wasn't "impossible" to pull off the miracle
"One Patsy In The Depository" plot of the ages, when a bunch of
shooters got together and decided, per Stone & Garrison, to shoot up
Dealey Plaza like it was the back lot at MGM Studios and kill JFK from
multiple angles while attempting to frame JUST Lee Harvey Oswald at
the SAME TIME! How's that for believing that the "impossible" can
actually come true?


>>> "...then along comes RH {"Reclaiming History"} and your position morphs to being certain these guys are lying (sorry, mistaken)." <<<

It's not so much VB and RH, John. It's this X-ray (again)....

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA_Vol7_0061b.htm


....Which is a photo that I really hadn't thought about too much
before writing the essay below in late December 2007:


www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/be46d0872dbcf3c6


I knew that the X-ray existed, of course; and I also knew it had been
deemed "unaltered in any manner" by the House Select Committee on
Assassinations in the 1970s (like all the other X-rays and autopsy
photographs of JFK).

But until fairly recently I just hadn't really thought about how much
that one single X-ray of President Kennedy's head tends to totally
demolish a whole series of theories (usually put forth by conspiracy
theorists, of course, concerning a purported rifle bullet that struck
JFK's head from the front and caused a massive blow-out at the rear of
his head....which is just NOT THERE in that X-ray).

>>> "Good grief!" <<<

http://www.childrensmuseum.org/special_exhibits/good_grief/images/logo_goodgrief.jpg


<g>


>>> "Let's agree to disagree, OK?" <<<

Ten-Four. ;)


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>"CTers have absolutely no place to go (via logic and common sense, that is) with ANY of their arguments regarding CE399, or regarding their arguments about a purported "pointy-nosed" bullet, etc.">

I didn't realize we were trying to go anywhere, your side said the
magic bullet was found at Parkland Hospital.

>"Because if CTers wants to say that CE399 was actually the bullet found at Parkland by Tomlinson (whether it was a "planted" bullet or not), then those same CTers are forced to jettison one of their favorite arguments -- i.e., that Tomlinson, et al, failed to identify CE399 as the stretcher bullet DUE TO THE FACT THAT CE399 *WASN'T* THE REAL STRETCHER BULLET FOUND BY TOMLINSON.">

I'm not getting your logic here at all. The point the CT side has
made for many years is the bullet presented as CE-399 (the bullet
supposedly found) was NOT the same type of bullet as Tomlinson said he
found on 11/22/63. Thus, if Tomlinson said he found a "pointy-nosed"
bullet, and the official CE-399 is a "round-nosed" the point is the
one presented is NOT the same as the one that was found.


>"And if CTers wish to say that a "pointy"-tipped bullet was actually seen by Tomlinson and Wright, et al, on November 22 at Parkland...then where does that argument take the CTers?"

It shows the bullet presented as CE-399 by the WC was NOT the same one
found at Parkland Hospital by Tomlinson and seen by Wright.


>"Answer -- Deep into "Absurdville"! That's where.">

Only if "Absurdville"=the truth.


>"For, if a "pointy" bullet WAS the "real" stretcher bullet found by Tomlinson, then that means one of the following three things must certainly be correct and true....

1.) The "pointy" bullet was the one and only bullet that did the
damage to John B. Connally (and the best evidence, by far, is that
just ONE single bullet struck Connally, causing all of his wounds).">

There is NO proof that CE-399, at least the one presented to be such,
was ever INSIDE JBC at all. Perhaps, the bullet actually found by
Tomlinson did have blood, tissue and clothing striations on it, but we
won't know since it was destroyed.

>"But if #1 here is true...then the CTers must abandon one of their very favorite gripes: i.e., ANY bullet that did that much damage to JBC must have been pretty banged up by the end of the day.">

Yes, but we don't know the shape of the bullet found by Tomlinson, at
least I haven't read about it, as it was buried and never discussed.
We also don't know if the bullet found by Tomlinson was ever on the
Connally stretcher as Hoover, FBI agents O'Neill and Seibert, and Dr.
Humes all said they thought the bullet discovered at Parkland was from
JFK's stretcher. Here is his testimony:

Mr. SPECTER. Will you mark with a "B" the stretcher which was present
at the time you pushed stretcher "A" (Connally's) off of the
elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I bumped the wall and a spent cartridge or bullet
rolled out that apparently had been lodged under the edge of the mat.
Mr. SPECTER. And that was from which stretcher?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe that it was "B". (the one there already)
Mr. SPECTER. And what was on "B", if you recall; if anything?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Well, at one end they had one or two sheets rolled up;
I didn't examine them. They were bloody. They were rolled up on the
east end of it and there were a few surgical instruments on, the
opposite end and a sterile pack or so.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, Mr. Tomlinson, are you sure that it was stretcher
"A" that you took out of the elevator and not stretcher "B"?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Well, really, I can't be positive, just to be perfectly
honest about it, I can't be positive, because I really didn't pay that
much attention to it. The stretcher was on the elevator and I pushed
it off of there and I believe we made one or two calls up before I
straightened out the stretcher up against the wall.

Now he gave a detailed description of what stretcher "B" looked like
above, but when he is asked again if it could have been "A" he hedges,
why? Surely he knew if the one he brought down had "...one or two
sheets rolled up; I didn't examine them. They were bloody. They were
rolled up on the east end of it and there were a few surgical
instruments on, the opposite end and a sterile pack or so" on it or
not, right? This is the pressure applied to these witnesses to please
they will not commit even when it is blatantly obvious.


>"But if Tomlinson saw a "pointy"-nosed bullet, then that bullet was certainly in pretty decent shape, right? The POINTY NOSE wasn't even crushed. (Otherwise, how did Tomlinson, et al, see any "pointy" nose on the missile?)">

We don't know this for sure since no description of the bullet he
found was ever included in the report. We only know the one presented
by the WC is NOT the one he found because Tomlinson said so in his
testimony. First though the WC tried to slip one by him (and us):

Mr. SPECTER. And at the time we started our discussion, it was your
recollection at that point that the bullet came off of stretcher A,
was it not?
Mr. TOMLINSON. B.
Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me, stretcher B, but it was stretcher A that you
took off of the elevator.
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe that's right.

Sneaky, sneaky Specter. Specter will go on and on with this, bringing
up the SS interview Tomlinson did to try and confuse him, yet again I
ask, how could he not know which one was which when he described the
one there ("B") already so vividly? Did both stretchers have "...one
or two sheets rolled up...They were bloody. They were rolled up on the
east end of it and there were a few surgical instruments on, the
opposite end and a sterile pack or so" on them? See below for the
description of the stretcher he brings down. What about the chain of
custody of the Connally stretcher ("A")? Here is what Tomlinson
testified to:

Mr. SPECTER. When you came upon that elevator, what time was it, to
the best of your recollection?
Mr. TOMLINSON. It was around 1 o'clock.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there anything on the elevator at that time?
Mr. TOMLINSON. There was one stretcher.
Mr. SPECTER. And describe the appearance of that stretcher, if you
will, please.
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe that stretcher had sheets on it and had a
white covering on the pad.
Mr. SPECTER. What did you say about the covering on the pad, excuse
me?
Mr. TOMLINSON. I believe it was a white sheet that was on the pad.

This is stretcher "A", now compare this description to the one he gave
for the one on the ground floor already ("B"), do they seem the same
to you? NOT me, yet Specter would try over and over to get him to act
like he couldn't tell them apart. Here is the rest of the testimony:

Mr. SPECTER. **Do you know where the stretcher came from that you
found on the elevator?
Mr. TOMLINSON. No, sir; I do not. It could have come from two, it
could have come from three, it could have come from some other
place.**
Mr. SPECTER. You didn't see anybody put it there?
Mr. TOMLINSON. No, sir--it was on the elevator when I got there. There
wasn't anyone on the elevator at the time when I keyed it off.
Mr. SPECTER. And when you say "keyed it off," you mean?
Mr. TOMLINSON. Put it in manual operation.

Does this sound like a solid chain of custody to anyone reading this?
NOT me, as Tomlinson had no clue where the stretcher came from at
all. How did the WC get to the claim of it being JBC's stretcher?


>"Also: It's fairly obvious that the discrepancy re. the stretcher bullet noted by Tomlinson, Wright, Johnsen (et al) is NOT a discrepancy with respect to the GENERAL AMOUNT OF DAMAGE that was done to the bullet.">

How about proving it was on JBC's stretcher first?


>" It's obvious from everyone's testimony on this matter that the bullet Tomlinson found on a Parkland stretcher was an INTACT bullet; i.e., a bullet that wasn't banged up very much at all.">

Whose testimony are you refering to? I don't see a single question
regarding the bullet in Tomlinson's testimony.


>"Or do CTers want to now purport that the people who later failed to positively I.D. CE399 REALLY saw a banged-all-to-hell, mushroomed, and very damaged bullet...but they failed to MENTION THAT FACT TO ANYONE, EVER?!">

How do you know the bullet was damaged? It probably was a "pointy-
nosed" version of the magic bullet until someone realized LHO would
NOT have been using this type of ammo.

>"2.) The bullet Tomlinson picked up was a "PLANTED" bullet, but was not CE399, and then 399 was inserted into the record to replace the "real" stretcher bullet.

#2 here is totally crazy...because: WHY IN THE HELL WOULD ANY PLOTTERS
(BENT ON FRAMING LEE OSWALD) WANT TO PLANT A BULLET THAT COULD NEVER
BE TRACED TO THE PATSY?">

I don't agree the bullet found was "planted" as I believe it came from
JFK's stretcher.

>"And if some CTers want to think the bullet was planted, but Oswald WASN'T really being set up as a lone patsy....I'd then ask: Huh? (Because if Oswald wasn't being framed, then why was there any need to plant ANY bullet at all inside Parkland?)"

You are too confusing here. A bullet was found that had been in JFK,
and the plotters needed to change it so it could appear to be tied to
the alleged Carcano found in the TSBD.

>"This whole #2 option is just too kooky for even most CT-Kooks. (Isn't it?)">

Only when you explain it in your kooky way.


>"3.) The bullet Darrell Tomlinson found on a stretcher at Parkland wasn't even connected (in any fashion; "planted" or otherwise) to the JFK assassination or to JBC's wounds. Perhaps it really did come from the little boy's stretcher (Ronny Fuller's). But, then again, was young Ronald Fuller SHOT BY A RIFLE BULLET on November 22nd? I don't think he was. Which means there's a problem here too."

How do you possibly know this? Was ballistic tests done on the bullet
Tomlinson found and published? I don't think so, therefore, how can
you make the claim it was NOT connected to the JFK shooting in the
least?

>"But the logical observation associated with option #3 that needs to be uttered aloud is -- If it had been later learned that the stretcherbullet had really been connected to Fuller (or some other case, totally unconnected to the JFK/JBC case), then it would turn into a "So what?" situation. Because why would the authorities feel it necessary to tie in a bullet to the JFK case that legitimately was not connected to the Kennedy case in any way? That's just....dumb.">

We will never know since the real bullet found was discarded as it was
NOT from a Carcano rifle.

> ===========

>"So, any way things are sliced, CTers are forced to abandon at least ONE of their favorite theories with respect to Bullet CE399. Because when a little ordinary common sense is applied to the conversation surrounding the stretcher bullet, CTers don't have a leg to stand on."

I have NO idea why we have to discard anything. You have a bullet
presented by the WC to be the one found, when it is NOT the one found,
and you have no tests to show the official one was ever INSIDE JFK or
JBC at all.


>"In short, conspiracy theorists are, by necessity, forced to either accept the obvious truth about the stretcher bullet (which is: CE399 came out of Oswald's rifle on 11/22/63 and wounded both JFK & JBC in Dealey Plaza)....or they are forced to look like total idiots by purporting theories that don't make much sense at all. And many of those conspiracists are also forced to spout theories that completely CONTRADICT other theories they have been married to for decades."

What are you talking about? The real bullet found came from JFK, and
the fake bullet added later was never INSIDE either victim, how does
this make your case solid?

>"Accepting the truth surrounding Bullet CE399 is easy. But accepting ANY of the conspiracy-tinged replacement theories revolving around that bullet is virtually impossible.">

NOT have you have the ability to understand the testimony and
evidence.

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