The Last Words Of Lee Harvey Oswald (Including His Huge Web Of Lies)
David Von Pein
EXAMINING OSWALD'S MANY, MANY LIES.....
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JFK assassination researcher Mae Brussell compiled a
fairly-comprehensive list of the oral statements made between November
22nd and November 24th, 1963, by President Kennedy's assassin, Lee
Harvey Oswald.
Here's a link to those statements:
"THE LAST WORDS OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD":
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
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A couple of very interesting things stood out to this writer while
reading through Brussell's compilation of Oswald's utterances.....
One of those interesting things being the fact that Lee Oswald,
himself, admitted to authorities (on November 24, 1963, shortly before
he was murdered by Jack Ruby) that he had, indeed, made a trip to
Mexico City, in an attempt to return to Russia by way of Cuba.
The Mexico City admission by Oswald is also intriguing because of the
fact that just two days earlier LHO had flatly denied he had ever been
to Mexico City. .....
"I was never in Mexico City." -- LHO; 11/22/63
"I went to the Mexican Consulate in Mexico City. I went to the Russian
Embassy to go to Russia by way of Cuba. They told me to come back in
thirty days." -- LHO; 11/24/63
Now, regardless of exactly what MONTH or YEAR the latter statement
refers to -- Oswald has obviously been caught in a lie of some
sort....because BOTH of the above statements regarding Mexico City
certainly cannot be truthful.
Another thing that struck me as interesting via Mae Brussell's
compilation is the number of POSITIVELY VERIFIED Oswald quotes that do
not show up on Brussell's list....including Lee Harvey's most famous
verbal comment of them all....which was this remark made by Oswald in
front of a live television audience while LHO was being moved through
the DPD hallways:
"They've taken me in because of the fact I've lived in the Soviet
Union. I'm just a patsy!"
The above quote doesn't appear anywhere within Brussell's "Last Words"
article. Very odd. And another of Oswald's many Live-TV DPD hallway
declarations that is also conspicuous by its absence in Brussell's work
is this one:
"I don't know what kind of facts you people have been given -- but I
emphatically deny these charges!"
It's very strange that such verifiable "Live On TV" quotes by Lee
Oswald would be omitted from what otherwise appears to be a very
complete record of all the verbal statements made by Oswald from
November 22 to 24.
Brussell also misquotes Oswald at one point during the "Midnight Press
Conference". Oswald didn't say "A cop hit me", as claimed in the
above-linked article. LHO's words were "A policeman hit me".
Other alleged statements attributed to Oswald by members of the Dallas
Police Department are also missing from Brussell's chronicle, including
LHO telling the DPD he had eaten lunch with "Junior" (Jarman) on
November 22nd at the Book Depository, and Oswald saying he had talked
with Bill Shelley after the shooting had occurred, with Shelley telling
Oswald he could go home (per what LHO told the police).
So, given these omissions and other errors, I would say it would be
wise to examine Brussell's article with a grain of salt by your side.
(Yes, I have a grain of salt by my own side too -- regarding the
"Mexico City" quotes mentioned earlier.)
Now, with that salt firmly by our sides, let's just have a look at the
falsehoods that were uttered by Lee Harvey Oswald from November 22 to
November 24, 1963, via Brussell's article as written (and the number of
lies spoken by Mr. Oswald is a good-sized number, to be sure). Also,
according to Mae Brussell, not every quote is a "verbatim" LHO
utterance:
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A LIST OF OSWALD'S LIES:
1.) "The only thing I have done is carry a pistol into a movie."
2.) "I didn't kill anybody."
3.) "I haven't shot anybody."
4.) "A police officer has been killed?"
5.) "All I did was carry a gun."
6.) "I was never in Mexico City."
7.) "I never owned a rifle."
8.) "Because of all the confusion, I figured there would be no work
performed that afternoon so I decided to go home."
9.) "I carried a pistol with me to the movie because I felt like it,
for no other reason."
10.) "I didn't shoot President John F. Kennedy or Officer J.D. Tippit."
11.) "My landlady didn't understand my name correctly, so it was her
idea to call me O.H. Lee."
12.) "The only package I brought to work was my lunch."
13.) "I bought a pistol in Fort Worth several months ago."
14.) "I never ordered any guns."
15.) "I didn't shoot anyone; I never killed anybody."
16.) "I didn't tell Buell Wesley Frazier anything about bringing back
some curtain rods."
17.) "I did carry a package to the Texas School Book Depository. I
carried my lunch, a sandwich and fruit, which I made at Paine's house."
18.) "It's a mistake; I'm not guilty."
19.) "I don't know what is going on. I just don't know what they are
talking about. Don't believe all the so-called evidence."
20.) "That picture is not mine, but the face is mine. The picture has
been made by superimposing my face. The other part of the picture is
not me at all, and I have never seen this picture before. ... The small
picture was reduced from the larger one, made by some persons unknown
to me."
21.) "I never kept a rifle at Mrs. Paine's garage."
22.) "I have never ordered any guns."
23.) "I do not own a rifle, never possessed a rifle."
24.) "After all this commotion started, I just went downstairs and
started to see what it was all about."
25.) "If you ask me about the shooting of Tippit, I don't know what you
are talking about."
26.) "The only thing I am here for is because I popped a policeman in
the nose in the theater, which I readily admit I did, because I was
protecting myself."
27.) "I visited my wife Thursday night, November 21, whereas I normally
visited her over the weekend, because Mrs. Paine was giving a party for
the children on the weekend."
28.) "I don't recall the shape, it may have been a small sack, or a
large sack; you don't always find one that just fits your sandwiches."
29.) "The sack was in the car, beside me, on my lap, as it always is."
30.) "It was not on the back seat. Mr. Frazier must have been mistaken
or else thinking about the other time when he picked me up."
31.) "I never ordered a rifle under the name of Hidell, Oswald, or any
other name."
32.) "I never ordered any rifle by mail order or bought any money order
for the purpose of paying for such a rifle."
33.) "I didn't own any rifle."
34.) "I have not practiced or shot with a rifle."
35.) "I told you I haven't shot a rifle since the Marines, possibly a
small bore, maybe a .22, but not anything larger since I have left the
Marine Corps."
36.) "I never received a package sent to me through the mailbox in
Dallas, Box No. 2915, under the name of Alek Hidell, absolutely not."
37.) "American people will soon forget the President was shot, but I
didn't shoot him."
38.) "I never lived on Neely Street. These people are mistaken about
visiting there, because I never lived there."
39.) "I did not kill President Kennedy or Officer Tippit."
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Does an innocent "patsy" really need to lie this much?
Think about it.
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RELATED ARTICLE RE. OSWALD'S MANY LIES:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/ea04b9e6141f0098
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curtjester1
On Jan 25, 6:01 pm, "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S STATEMENTS MADE WHILE IN CUSTODY.....
>
> EXAMINING OSWALD'S MANY, MANY LIES.....
>
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* CIA employee Donald Deneslya (LEFT-SLIDE 87) read reports of a CIA
agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the
US with a Russian wife and child--that Agent was Oswald.
* CIA officer David Phillips provided the Warren Commission with
information that Oswald was at the Russian and Cuban embassies in
Mexico City, then later admitted that the information he had
provided was false.
When you work for The Company you are bascially in the Liars Club.
CJ
David Von Pein
I've been informed via a friendly e-mail message (from a very observant
and keen-eared JFK researcher it would seem) that this quote that I
earlier attributed as a verbatim statement made by Lee Oswald.....
"I don't know what kind of facts you people have been given -- but I
emphatically deny these charges!"
.....is not quite 100% accurate.
The quote should read as follows:
"I don't know what kind of dispatches you people have been given -- but
I emphatically deny these charges!"
Oswald, per my e-mail adviser, said the word "DISPATCHES" instead of
the word I attributed to him, "FACTS".
I was always a little unsure as to what LHO actually did say in that
somewhat-unclear and noisy DPD hallway statement. But "facts" seemed to
certainly fit the rest of the quote, so that's what I assumed it was.
But I was never 100% sure.
Thank you, e-mail adviser.
Walt
On Jan 25, 5:01 pm, "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> LEE HARVEY OSWALD'S STATEMENTS MADE WHILE IN CUSTODY.....
>
> EXAMINING OSWALD'S MANY, MANY LIES.....
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 20.) "That picture is not mine, but the face is mine. The picture has
> been made by superimposing my face. The other part of the picture is
> not me at all, and I have never seen this picture before. ... The small
> picture was reduced from the larger one, made by some persons unknown
> to me."
>
I like this one.....So let's examine the allegation that Oswald was
lying. There is a copy of CE 133B in the upper left hand corner of
page 169 in The Killing Of A President. Notice that I SPECIFIED CE
133B. This is a fake back yard photo and it may be the one to which
Oswald is referring in the above "lie'. You'll notice that the rifle
in "Oswald's" right hand is pointing up at about the 11:00 O'clock
position. Now LOOK at the shadow cast by that rifle on the ground.
Isn't it pointing to the 9:00 O'clock position? Was this photo taken
in Never- Never land? or was Oswald telling the truth?
Walt
David Von Pein
photos (no matter HOW many there were in existence -- 3, 4, or 54)
were legit pictures taken by Marina Oswald on March 31st, 1963, at
Neely Street in Dallas, Texas.
So, yes, of course Oswald was lying through his murdering teeth when
he claimed the photo he was shown was a fake.
But you keep right on marching around with your "I Love Lee" banners
held high, Mr. Walt-Kook. Trying to get a double-murderer off the hook
seems to suit your personality just fine.
More on unbelievably-silly idea that the "Backyard Photos" are faked
articles.....
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/abf2ea54c9dddca4
eca...@comcast.net
You're the man!
Ed
> > certainly cannot be truthful.* CIA employee Donald Deneslya (LEFT-SLIDE 87) read reports of a CIA
> > ====================================================- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Walt
On Jan 27, 2:02 pm, "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> It's obvious to anyone except the CT-Kooks that ALL of the backyard
> photos (no matter HOW many there were in existence -- 3, 4, or 54)
> were legit pictures taken by Marina Oswald on March 31st, 1963, at
> Neely Street in Dallas, Texas.
>
> So, yes, of course Oswald was lying through his murdering teeth when
> he claimed the photo he was shown was a fake.
>
> But you keep right on marching around with your "I Love Lee" banners
> held high, Mr. Walt-Kook. Trying to get a double-murderer off the hook
> seems to suit your personality just fine.
>
> More on unbelievably-silly idea that the "Backyard Photos" are faked
> articles.....
C'mon Von Pea Brain....... Surely you can do better than an ad hominem
attack. Calling me names won't change the facts. I'll ask it real
plain..... If the rifle is pointing at the 11:00 o'clock position then
isn't it true that the shadow of that rifle must also point to the
11:00 o'clock position ? ( relative to the man's body)
Walt
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/abf2ea54c9dddca4
David Von Pein
I can then point you to this very-detailed study that AUTHENTICATES
THE PHOTOS IN QUESTION:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/photos.txt
(Plus: I still want to know what kind of boobs would want to FAKE
something that REALLY EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. This scenario is
apparently believed by many CTers, since those CTers think that ONE
"real" B.Y. Pic does exist...but that several others were "faked" by
plotters somewhere along the line. In a word -- Why?)
Walt
On Jan 27, 3:33 pm, "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> Show me the exact pic you think is faked, Walt.
I clearly said the photo in the upper left hand corner of page 169 in
THE KILLING OF A PRESIDENT. It is officially known as CE 133B.
>
> I can then point you to this very-detailed study that AUTHENTICATES
> THE PHOTOS IN QUESTION:
Well let me tell you where to stuff your "detailed studies"..... Never
has the old saw, "One Picture is worth a thousand words", been more
applicable. Just LOOK at the damned photo .....and ask
yourself ...Shall I believe The "very detailed studies" or shall I
believe my own lyin eyes.
Walt
Walt
There may be several explanations for the fake photos CE 133B and
133c.
For one thing G.Demorenschildt had a copywrite on the original Back
Yard Photo, Therefore nobody could publish it without his written
permission.
The conspirators knew about the ORIGINAL (CE 133A ) Back Yard photo
and they knew it could be used as an incriminating photo against
Oswald. They knew it existed because Oswald had created it as part of
a scheme to make him appear to be a rabid Castro supporter. The
picture is a blatantly ametuerish atempt to convey the message " Hey,
look at me, I'm a enthustiastic communist revolutionary, armed and
ready to fight." They wanted a copy of that picture but didn't know
how they could get one. Mike Paine who had seen the original, created
two forgeries. He gave them to Captain Fritz on Saturday morning.
Fritz showed one of them to Oswald at 12:35 PM Saturday afternoon.
Then the Original photo was found in the Paine's Garage at 2:46 PM.
Walt
David Von Pein
David Von Pein
and they knew it could be used as an incriminating photo against
Oswald. They knew it existed because Oswald had created it as part of
a scheme to make him appear to be a rabid Castro supporter." <<<
What a fucking kook you are.
Walt
On Jan 27, 7:26 pm, "David Von Pein" <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> "The conspirators knew about the ORIGINAL (CE 133A ) Back Yard photoand they knew it could be used as an incriminating photo against
> Oswald. They knew it existed because Oswald had created it as part of
> a scheme to make him appear to be a rabid Castro supporter." <<<
>
> What a fucking kook you are.
Another ad hominem attack...... You asked for an explanation, and when
I present one, all you offer in the way of a counter point is:
Quote .."What a fucking kook you are" ...Unquote I gotta tell ya
Dave, anybody reading your response is going to know who is thinking
and who the "kook" is.
Walt
David Von Pein
And the proof of this allegation is??
And -- If the "conspirators" knew about a REAL photo...please let us
know why they wanted to risk faking additional copies of the same
thing? I'm waiting to hear about the logic of that hunk of brilliance.
>>> "{The forever-unknown} 'They' wanted a copy of that picture but didn't know how they could get one. Mike Paine, who had seen the original, created two forgeries." <<<
LOL. So now Michael Paine is a photo-faker, huh? Proof please.
Nothing like making up shit out of thin air.
And I still need to know WHY ANY FAKES ARE NEEDED in the first
place...when a REAL one exists?
It's stupid, Walt. Stupid.
>>> "He gave them to Captain Fritz on Saturday morning." <<<
Proof please.
>>> "Fritz showed one of them to Oswald at 12:35 PM Saturday afternoon." <<<
Dead wrong. Oswald was not shown any BY pics until 6:00 Saturday.
That's in Fritz' notes, plain as day.
Why are you making stuff up?
(Silly question there. CTers have to do this.)
>>> "Then the Original photo was found in the Paine's Garage at 2:46 PM." <<<
So TWO "fakes" were "created" by Michael Paine (as if just ONE "fake"
wouldn't be enough; LOL) even before the cops searched the Oswald
belongings on Saturday?
God, you kooks piss me off!! And you SHOULD piss off anybody with any
sense at all.
You've got no proof of any of the shit you're spouting off about.
You've TOTALLY MADE UP every single thing you've just said.
You are despicable. You don't value the truth...or the actual
evidence. You only value "conspiracy".
You should have your computer confiscated to prevent further fantasies
from being spread.
David Von Pein
So, what's your theory here Walt?
Are you saying a man was standing in the back yard with a rifle (not
Oswald, naturally...anybody but him), and he was casting a
shadow...but NOT the shadow we see cast in CE133B?
http://users.skynet.be/copweb/jfk/images/CE-133-mini.jpg
This would mean, I guess, that either THE WHOLE BODY we see in 133B is
"faked", or JUST THE SHADOW in the photo is "faked" in some way.
Next question....why would any photo-fakers BE this stupid?
Also -- I always thought you kooks believed that JUST the head has
been pasted on the body in the pictures...which would mean the
remainder of the pics are genuine (i.e., not re-touched), including
any shadows being cast by the "Imposter Oswald".
Which crackpot Photo-Fakery theory would you prefer, Walt?
Take your pick...several are there for you kooks to latch on to
(despite the HSCA's detailed analysis, which says that you are an
idiotic kook re. the Backyard Photos).