About Those "Curtain Rods" Of Lee Harvey Oswald's......
David Von Pein
TOOK INTO THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 1963......
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When President John F. Kennedy's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, told news
reporters "I didn't shoot anybody", it marked one of numerous lies told
by the 24-year-old former Marine during his two-day detention at Dallas
Police Headquarters.
Another very important lie that came out of Oswald's mouth (twice) was
when he told a co-worker (Wesley Frazier) that he was going to pick up
some curtain rods at the home of Mrs. Ruth Paine (with whom Lee's wife,
Marina, was temporarily living at the time in November 1963).
But here's something I don't think I've ever heard anybody talk about
when it comes to the "curtain rods" topic (something that most
certainly does not logically "fit" with Oswald's "rods" fairy
tale)......
We know, through Marina's testimony, that Lee Oswald, on 11/21/63, was
trying to make up with Marina after they had quarrelled earlier in the
week.
Lee told Marina that he was lonely and that he was tired of living by
himself. He wanted to get back together with her (i.e., start living
together again after having been separated for more than five weeks,
except on most weekends) and that he would start looking for an
apartment in Dallas for the four of them (Lee, Marina, and their two
infant daughters).
Marina's exact words to the Warren Commission re. this subject were:
"He said that he was lonely because he hadn't come the preceding
weekend, and he wanted to make his peace with me. .... On that day
{11/21/63}, he suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said
that he was tired of living alone and perhaps the reason for my being
so angry was the fact that we were not living together. That if I want
to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow--that he didn't want
me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in
Dallas. He repeated this not once but several times, but I refused. And
he said that once again I was preferring my friends to him, and that I
didn't need him." -- Marina Oswald; February 3, 1964
~~~~~
I think it's safe to assume that Lee had no intention of bringing his
family back to live with him at his closet-sized cubbyhole of a room on
Beckley Avenue. And it's also interesting to note that Lee told Marina
he would rent a new apartment "tomorrow" (November 22).
Marina turned down Lee's offer to rent an apartment the very next
day....but she did add this:
"I said it would be better if I remained with Ruth until the holidays."
Therefore, even though Marina had said no to Lee about renting an
apartment right away, it was quite clear that Marina was willing to
re-join her husband in Dallas sometime after "the holidays". Which
would mean that Lee would probably be vacating his Beckley room within
a short time period.
Therefore, given all of the above info, the logical question to ask
next is:
Why would Lee Oswald want to put up new curtain rods at his Beckley
room if he had every intention of moving to a new residence very soon
thereafter?
The curtain-rod story of Oswald's just doesn't come together from any
point-of-view. A brief review of why this is the case:
1.) Oswald's room at Beckley already had curtain rods and curtains in
place.
2.) Lee's unusual Thursday trip to Irving, if it were to ONLY retrieve
curtain rods, doesn't make much sense, since he'd probably be going
there the very next day anyway to visit his wife at the Paine house.
3.) Lee said absolutely nothing to his wife or to Mrs. Ruth Paine about
wanting to get some curtain rods at any time on November 21st, or at
any other time for that matter.
4.) Lee lied to the police after his arrest when he told them he never
said anything to Wesley Frazier about curtain rods, and he also lied
when he said he had not carried a bulky package into work with him on
Nov. 22nd. (It's more logical to believe that Frazier was being
truthful in this regard rather than to believe the man who had just
been arrested and wanted to distance himself from that mysterious brown
paper package.)
5.) No curtain rods were found in the TSBD in the days and weeks after
the assassination. (Warren Commission Exhibit #2640 verifies this fact
via Roy Truly's statement in a September 2, 1964, FBI report.)......
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0465a.htm
6.) Oswald did not take any curtain rods out of the TSBD when he left
that building on 11/22/63. (If he did, he disposed of them somewhere
between the Depository Building on Elm Street and his roominghouse at
1026 N. Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff, because he definitely did not
enter the roominghouse with any sort of package. If he had, the package
would have been discovered by police.)
7.) From comments he made to his wife on 11/21/63, there is at least
some indication that Oswald was planning to move away from his Beckley
room soon after 11/21/63. If this was in Oswald's mind on the evening
of November 21st, then the act of obtaining curtain rods for a room he
would soon be vacating makes no sense whatsoever.
8.) The two lightweight curtain rods that Mrs. Ruth Paine had stored in
her garage in Irving were still in her garage in the days following
President Kennedy's assassination. Mrs. Paine verified this fact in
1986......
VINCENT BUGLIOSI -- "Now you, in fact, DID have some curtain rods in
the garage, is that correct?"
MRS. PAINE -- "In the garage...yes."
MR. BUGLIOSI -- "After the assassination, they were still there."
MRS. PAINE -- "Yes, that's right."
~~~~~
Numbers 1 through 8 above strongly suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald's
"curtain rod" story was a complete fabrication from the beginning, used
as a device with which to avoid suspicion when he carried his
dismantled Mannlicher-Carcano rifle into the Depository Building on the
same morning of President Kennedy's visit to Dallas, Texas.
A couple of additional loose ends re. the curtain rods......
I suppose, when my #7 item listed above is given a certain twist,
conspiracy theorists could possibly try to use that particular point to
their own advantage, by claiming that Oswald wanted the curtain rods
for some OTHER apartment that he was planning to rent when he and
Marina got back together. Although that theory won't fly very
far....because how could Oswald have possibly known whether this
"other" apartment would be in need of curtains or rods; and even if it
did need such adornments, how would he know precisely what size of rods
to acquire as of November 21st, 1963?
For that matter, how would LHO have known what type and size of rods
Mrs. Paine had in her garage (the ones that he purportedly went to
Irving to get on November 21st), since he never once brought up the
subject of "curtain rods" to Mrs. Paine at ANY time? Did he just assume
that the Paine rods would fit perfectly in his Oak Cliff room?
"Curtain Rod" food for thought indeed.
David Von Pein
November 2006
chris.ha...@gmail.com
Sam McClung
news:f4e30b93-4866-44c9...@googlegroups.com...
> asked about the curtains that were made?
when things said "later" don't agree with unsigned testimony, guess which
takes precedence?
and when a commission consistently says in writing that the wolf is coming,
and the wolf never shows up, at what point do you stop believing the
commission? or the illuminati players behind the commission?
Saintly Oswald
doc
> Herr von Pein (sic) makes his argument well. But, how are we supposed to
> apartment = and all the pleasures prove," scenario? Was our hero
> proposing that Marina = ride in with him and Frazier to the TSBD on
> Friday morning? Are we supposed=
> evidence f= or a conspiracy and see Oswald as the Lone Nut, do you think
> this makes sen= se? To me, it sounds more like a dramatic device inserted
> into a plot, by w= hom, I do not know.
Of course, if Marina had agreed to get back together with Lee he may well
have forgone his plan and rented a place for them. Not that we'll ever
know, but this may have been Oswald's last-ditch attempt to stop himself
from shooting Kennedy. If he had succeeded in convincing Marina to live
with him, we probably wouldn't be having these discussions.
>
> On Thursday, November 30, 2006 7:22:56 AM UTC-5, David Von Pein wrote:
> > LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE "CURTAIN RODS" THAT LEE HARVEY OSWALD SUPPOSEDLY
> > TOOK INTO THE TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY ON NOVEMBER 22ND, 1963......
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >=20
> > reporters "I didn't shoot anybody", it marked one of numerous lies told
> > by the 24-year-old former Marine during his two-day detention at Dallas
> > Police Headquarters.
> > when he told a co-worker (Wesley Frazier) that he was going to pick up
> > some curtain rods at the home of Mrs. Ruth Paine (with whom Lee's wife,
> > Marina, was temporarily living at the time in November 1963).
> > when it comes to the "curtain rods" topic (something that most
> > certainly does not logically "fit" with Oswald's "rods" fairy
> > tale)......
> > trying to make up with Marina after they had quarrelled earlier in the
> > week.
> > himself. He wanted to get back together with her (i.e., start living
> > together again after having been separated for more than five weeks,
> > except on most weekends) and that he would start looking for an
> > apartment in Dallas for the four of them (Lee, Marina, and their two
> > infant daughters).
> > weekend, and he wanted to make his peace with me. .... On that day
> > {11/21/63}, he suggested that we rent an apartment in Dallas. He said
> > that he was tired of living alone and perhaps the reason for my being
> > so angry was the fact that we were not living together. That if I want
> > to he would rent an apartment in Dallas tomorrow--that he didn't want
> > me to remain with Ruth any longer, but wanted me to live with him in
> > Dallas. He repeated this not once but several times, but I refused. And
> > he said that once again I was preferring my friends to him, and that I
> > didn't need him." -- Marina Oswald; February 3, 1964
> > ~~~~~
> >=20
> > family back to live with him at his closet-sized cubbyhole of a room on
> > Beckley Avenue. And it's also interesting to note that Lee told Marina
> > he would rent a new apartment "tomorrow" (November 22).
> > day....but she did add this:
> > apartment right away, it was quite clear that Marina was willing to
> > re-join her husband in Dallas sometime after "the holidays". Which
> > would mean that Lee would probably be vacating his Beckley room within
> > a short time period.
> > next is:
> > room if he had every intention of moving to a new residence very soon
> > thereafter?
> > point-of-view. A brief review of why this is the case:
> > place.
> > curtain rods, doesn't make much sense, since he'd probably be going
> > there the very next day anyway to visit his wife at the Paine house.
> > wanting to get some curtain rods at any time on November 21st, or at
> > any other time for that matter.
> > said anything to Wesley Frazier about curtain rods, and he also lied
> > when he said he had not carried a bulky package into work with him on
> > Nov. 22nd. (It's more logical to believe that Frazier was being
> > truthful in this regard rather than to believe the man who had just
> > been arrested and wanted to distance himself from that mysterious brown
> > paper package.)
> > the assassination. (Warren Commission Exhibit #2640 verifies this fact
> > via Roy Truly's statement in a September 2, 1964, FBI report.)......
> > http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_046
> > 5a=
> .htm
> >=20
> > that building on 11/22/63. (If he did, he disposed of them somewhere
> > between the Depository Building on Elm Street and his roominghouse at
> > 1026 N. Beckley Avenue in Oak Cliff, because he definitely did not
> > enter the roominghouse with any sort of package. If he had, the package
> > would have been discovered by police.)
> > some indication that Oswald was planning to move away from his Beckley
> > room soon after 11/21/63. If this was in Oswald's mind on the evening
> > of November 21st, then the act of obtaining curtain rods for a room he
> > would soon be vacating makes no sense whatsoever.
> > her garage in Irving were still in her garage in the days following
> > President Kennedy's assassination. Mrs. Paine verified this fact in
> > 1986......
> > the garage, is that correct?"
> > ~~~~~
> >=20
> > "curtain rod" story was a complete fabrication from the beginning, used
> > as a device with which to avoid suspicion when he carried his
> > dismantled Mannlicher-Carcano rifle into the Depository Building on the
> > same morning of President Kennedy's visit to Dallas, Texas.
> > conspiracy theorists could possibly try to use that particular point to
> > their own advantage, by claiming that Oswald wanted the curtain rods
> > for some OTHER apartment that he was planning to rent when he and
> > Marina got back together. Although that theory won't fly very
> > far....because how could Oswald have possibly known whether this
> > "other" apartment would be in need of curtains or rods; and even if it
> > did need such adornments, how would he know precisely what size of rods
> > to acquire as of November 21st, 1963?
> > Mrs. Paine had in her garage (the ones that he purportedly went to
> > Irving to get on November 21st), since he never once brought up the
> > subject of "curtain rods" to Mrs. Paine at ANY time? Did he just assume
> > that the Paine rods would fit perfectly in his Oak Cliff room?
Saintly Oswald
from shooting Kennedy."
Like I said, to me that sounds like a dramatic device inserted into a fictional narrative. I don't believe that. Of course, I know it was a conspiracy, so I don't need to believe it.
tro...@yahoo.ca
Walt
> > Herr von Pein (sic) makes his argument well. But, how are we supposed to
> > ta= ke this, "Come live with me to Dallas tomorrow and we'll find an
> > apartment = and all the pleasures prove," scenario? Was our hero
> > proposing that Marina = ride in with him and Frazier to the TSBD on
> > Friday morning? Are we supposed=
> > to believe that Oswald was just going to chuck his kill-JFK plan if only
> > M= arina would say, "Yes?" Even if you set aside the vast amount of
> > evidence f= or a conspiracy and see Oswald as the Lone Nut, do you think
> > this makes sen= se? To me, it sounds more like a dramatic device inserted
> > into a plot, by w= hom, I do not know.
>
> Of course, if Marina had agreed to get back together with Lee he may well
> have forgone his plan and rented a place for them. Not that we'll ever
> know, but this may have been Oswald's last-ditch attempt to stop himself
> from shooting Kennedy. If he had succeeded in convincing Marina to live
> with him, we probably wouldn't be having these discussions.
looking for simple solutions would suggest.
Walt
> I have always been suspicious of the curtain rod story, yet I have always thought the theatre visit was odd as well. Obviously if Marina knows nothing of the curtain rod story, then someone is lying??? Is it Oswald or his co worker? I believe Oswald was up to something that day but what it was we may never find out. I have my own theories. I don't think he fired any gun but I don't believe he was the innocent bystander he's made out to be either???
to-be that allows himself to be sucked into a position in which hw can
be made the scape goat .....innocent?
doc
> > Saintly Oswald <fatoldcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Herr von Pein (sic) makes his argument well. But, how are we supposed
> o
> > > ta=3D ke this, "Come live with me to Dallas tomorrow and we'll find
> > > an apartment =3D and all the pleasures prove," scenario? Was our hero
> > > proposing that Marina =3D ride in with him and Frazier to the TSBD on
> > > Friday morning? Are we supposed=3D
> > > =A0to believe that Oswald was just going to chuck his kill-JFK plan
> > > if =
> only
> > > M=3D arina would say, "Yes?" Even if you set aside the vast amount of
> > > evidence f=3D or a conspiracy and see Oswald as the Lone Nut, do you
> > > th=
> ink
> > > this makes sen=3D se? To me, it sounds more like a dramatic device
> > > inse=
> rted
> > > into a plot, by w=3D hom, I do not know.
> > Of course, if Marina had agreed to get back together with Lee he may
> > well have forgone his plan and rented a place for them. Not that we'll
> > ever know, but this may have been Oswald's last-ditch attempt to stop
> > himself from shooting Kennedy. If he had succeeded in convincing Marina
> > to live with him, we probably wouldn't be having these discussions.
>
> How ridiculous is this?....... This is something only a simpleton
> looking for simple solutions would suggest.
come up with: an ad hominem attack? Seek help, Walt.
Ben Holmes
tro...@yahoo.ca says...
>
>I have always been suspicious of the curtain rod story, yet I have always t=
>hought the theatre visit was odd as well. Obviously if Marina knows nothin=
>g of the curtain rod story, then someone is lying??? Is it Oswald or his c=
>o worker? I believe Oswald was up to something that day but what it was we =
>may never find out. I have my own theories. I don't think he fired any gu=
>n but I don't believe he was the innocent bystander he's made out to be eit=
>her???
It seems silly to point out that there *were* curtain rods found, and
fingerprinted by the DPD... as well as a photo showing curtain rods being put
*UP*
in Oswald's apartment on *SATURDAY*.
Anyone who is confused about the "curtain rod story" would be best served by
being
able to provide a credible explanation for these two facts.
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Ben Holmes
Learn to Make Money with a Website - http://www.burningknife.com
Jason Burke
> I have always been suspicious of the curtain rod story, yet I have always thought the theatre visit was odd as well. Obviously if Marina knows nothing of the curtain rod story, then someone is lying??? Is it Oswald or his co worker? I believe Oswald was up to something that day but what it was we may never find out. I have my own theories. I don't think he fired any gun but I don't believe he was the innocent bystander he's made out to be either???
>
Two murders and an attempted murder or two.
Why you shitheads can't fathom that is beyond all reason.
aeffects
>
> > I have always been suspicious of the curtain rod story, yet I have always thought the theatre visit was odd as well. Obviously if Marina knows nothing of the curtain rod story, then someone is lying??? Is it Oswald or his co worker? I believe Oswald was up to something that day but what it was we may never find out. I have my own theories. I don't think he fired any gun but I don't believe he was the innocent bystander he's made out to be either???
>
> Here's a hint as to what Ozzie was up to.
> Two murders and an attempted murder or two.
Say fraudster, how is Paul May these days? Keeping all your alias(es)
coordinated?
LMFAO, ya limp-dick moron, you!
...
Jason Burke
they're true? Duh.
Figure out how to read headers yet, dumbshit?
Ass hurting too much Ringo? Ah, I see you're not rolling around on the
floor anymore. Poor baby...
Robert Caprio
> In article <2acc99b1-2dee-4f7f...@googlegroups.com>,
> trow...@yahoo.ca says...
>
>
> >I have always been suspicious of the curtain rod story, yet I have always t=
> >hought the theatre visit was odd as well. Obviously if Marina knows nothin=
> >g of the curtain rod story, then someone is lying??? Is it Oswald or his c=
> >o worker? I believe Oswald was up to something that day but what it was we =
> >may never find out. I have my own theories. I don't think he fired any gu=
> >n but I don't believe he was the innocent bystander he's made out to be eit=
> >her???
>
> It seems silly to point out that there *were* curtain rods found, and
> fingerprinted by the DPD... as well as a photo showing curtain rods being put
> *UP*
> in Oswald's apartment on *SATURDAY*.
>
> Anyone who is confused about the "curtain rod story" would be best served by
> being
> able to provide a credible explanation for these two facts.
results of the fingerprinting? I would be interested in viewing them.
I know Marina was asked if LHO mentioned curtain rods to her and she
said no.