The Head Shot, The Bullet Fragments, And The NAA Analysis
David Von Pein
PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S HEAD MOVEMENT,
THE BULLET FRAGMENTS,
AND NEUTRON ACTIVATION ANALYSIS
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A conspiracy theorist asked.....
>>> "How can the laws of physics {re. JFK's head movement} be completely meaningless?" <<<
My response.....
Because, in the JFK case in particular, it's not important WHICH WAY
THE HEAD MOVED -- because the only verifiable, official, factual
medical evidence in the case tells us that Kennedy was shot just ONE
time in the head, and it came FROM BEHIND (regardless of head movement
AFTER the bullet struck).
The rearward head motion of JFK's cranium might seem "weird" or
"funny" or "impossible" to a lot of people -- but the physical and
medical evidence in the case makes ANY head movement a completely moot
point.
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Re.: The bullet fragments recovered in the JFK murder case.....
A bullet fragment from Warren Commission Exhibit #843 very likely came
from a WCC/MC bullet, and very likely (per NAA analysis) came from the
same bullet which also deposited fragments under Nellie Connally's
seat and which deposited the two large fragments in the front seat of
the limo.
CE843:
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/pages/WH_Vol17_0434a.jpg
And the ONLY possible source of such extensive fragmentation of a
bullet within that limousine was President Kennedy's head.
It's my firm opinion that the NAA analysis of the JFK head fragment(s)
is not even needed to arrive at the obvious conclusion of: Lee Harvey
Oswald's own gun caused JFK's head injuries.
Because, as mentioned, there's NOTHING else that could have caused
Oswald's bullet to break apart in the manner that it did except John
F. Kennedy's head, with the two largest (and heaviest) of the mangled
bullet fragments ending up to the FRONT of the victim.
Governor John Connally's injuries are positively ruled out as a source
of the front-seat fragments. This is because of the existence of
bullet CE399 (found in the hospital where Connally was taken) and the
fact that Connally was struck by just ONE single bullet (per his
doctors' comments on this matter, plus the fact that if he were hit by
multiple bullets that were fragmenting badly within him....then WHERE
in the world are those fragments inside JBC's body? They aren't there.
Only a microscopic amount of lead (less than the weight of a "postage
stamp", per Dr. Gregory) was deposited in John Connally's body during
the shooting. It's silly to think that TWO or more bullets left only
this minuscule amount of lead and trace evidence behind in wake of the
shooting.
This fact also tends to buttress the Single-Bullet Theory and the
notion that Bullet #CE399 was certainly the bullet that left only very
minimal lead deposits behind in JBC's whole body (with a mere 2 grains
{approx.} missing from CE399's total mass).
Of course, all CTers enjoy trashing Dr. Guinn's analysis and his HSCA
testimony, as the conspiracists consider Guinn's 1978 analysis to be
completely outdated. But what I'd like to know is this.....
Just exactly how likely (odds-wise) is it that Dr. Vincent P. Guinn
would testify to the effect that TWO specific bullets (that both very
likely came from the barrel of Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, via
Guinn's NAA results) were the only two bullets that can be linked to
any of the ballistics samples in the John Kennedy murder case....and
yet still NOT have Oswald's Carcano doing all of the damage to the
victims on November 22nd, 1963?
Even via 1970s-era NAA technology, what are the odds that Guinn's data
would end up revealing the likelihood that ONLY BULLETS FROM OSWALD'S
RIFLE STRUCK ANY VICTIMS ON 11/22/63?
My guess is this -- The odds of that type of scientific evidence
favoring the likelihood that only Oswald's gun was involved in the
assassination, and somehow having that data being totally FALSE, must
be fairly low indeed.
In addition (and probably even more important on the "common sense"
and "sheer luck" scales):
What do you think the chances are that a multi-gun conspiracy took
place in Dealey Plaza, with bullets from MORE THAN ONE GUN striking
the victims in JFK's limousine on Elm Street....and yet, after the
bullets stopped flying and the missiles and fragments were examined,
NOT A SINGLE BULLET OR FRAGMENT from any non-C2766 gun turned out to
be large enough to be tested in order to positively eliminate Lee
Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle as the source for ALL of the
bullets and fragments that hit any victims on Elm Street?
Would anybody be willing to take those incredibly-low odds to Vegas?
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A sampling of Dr. Guinn's HSCA testimony.....
MR. WOLF -- "Dr. Guinn, based on these results, do you have an opinion
as to what type of bullets these fragments were from?"
DR. GUINN -- "Once again, every one of these samples is in the same
range, which is an unusual range, as the background WCC Mannlicher-
Carcano samples that we have looked at from all four production lots.
These five {CE399, CE567, CE840, CE842, and CE843} fall right in the
midrange, in fact. They are not the highest; they are not the lowest
of the antimony range, and the same is true of the silver."
MR. WOLF -- "It is your opinion then that these all are fragments from
WCC Mannlicher-Carcano bullets?"
DR. GUINN -- "I think that is their most likely origin, yes."
MR. WOLF -- "Can you, just from looking at the results, state what is
the number of bullets that these evidence specimens came from?"
DR. GUINN -- "Yes sir, I can."
MR. WOLF -- "What is the number of bullets, in your opinion?"
DR. GUINN -- "These numbers correspond to two bullets. Two of the
samples have indistinguishable compositions, indicating that they came
from the same bullet, and the other three particles are evidently
samples from another bullet."
MR. WOLF -- "So it is your opinion that the evidence specimens
represent only evidence of two bullets, is that correct?"
DR. GUINN -- "Yes, sir, there is no evidence for three bullets, four
bullets, or anything more than two, but there is clear evidence that
there are two."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/hscaguin.htm
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David Von Pein
December 2006
June 2007
aeffects
smarter folks than I will make a fool out of you concerning the
above.... now why don't you post something original for a change. Fire
those hall monitors you hired over there at Amazon, their worse than
the dolts you have here holding up your jockstrap... You should be
ashamed....
I do have a question for you, the HSCA detemined what? EXACTLY?
something to do with C O N S P I R A C Y comes to mind -- correct me
if I'm wrong
David Von Pein
a logical, reasonable answer out of a CTer (not likely, of
course)..........
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What do you think the chances are that a multi-gun conspiracy took
place in Dealey Plaza, with bullets from MORE THAN ONE GUN striking
the victims in JFK's limousine on Elm Street....and yet, after the
bullets stopped flying and the missiles and fragments were examined,
NOT A SINGLE BULLET OR FRAGMENT from any non-C2766 gun turned out to
be large enough to be tested in order to positively eliminate Lee
Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle as the source for ALL of the
bullets and fragments that hit any victims on Elm Street?
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You're from Vegas, Healy....and you must know something about "odds".
Would you be willing to bet your Jim Rockford-like trailer and
outhouse in which you dwell on something as shaky as the above-
proposed "No Bullets Show Up Except Oswald-Consistent Missiles"
scenario?
Yes or no?
aeffects
show us how and where he purchased the ammo, then we'll deal with
where it supposedly ended up....
> Yes or no?
Las Vegas -yes AND North Lake Tahoe...(yopu ever spent a summer in
las /Vegas 115-123, nah you aon't got the nad's for that.... yeah, I
know enough about odds enough in fact to know there's was a
conspiracy to kill JFK...you know what I find fascinating David? I've
never heard you say their WASN'T a conspiracy to kill JFK. Why is
that?
One of these day's one of you nutter's is going to explain why a late
1950's draftcard managed to include the picture of the registrant. I,
nor anyone I know have never seen one of those. Mine didn't include a
picture of me, nor did anyone else I knew.... To this day I don't
think draftcards require a picture.... Oswald had to of been the only
guy in America issued a picture draftcard.... Amazing....
Time to drag your peabrain out of the mosquito infested swamp you call
your dig's and tell us what the HSCA had to say about CONSPIRACY...
dan...@gmail.com
It does happen from time to time that an object struck by a bullet will move in the opposite direction of a bullet but that can be explained by internal forces given more is blown out the back of the object ie in the same direction the bullet is moving. What that means is that for an object to be moved in the opposite direction of the bullet ie toward the shooter enough of the object has to be expelled with enough momentum to force the object that it was expelled from to force it against the bullets momentum. So for Kennedy to have been shot in the back of the head at least half of his head would have had to move in the same direction as and have the momentum of his head moving backwards PLUS that of the bullets moving forward!!!!!
But in Kennedy's case his head AND flesh from his head were blown toward the back, which can only be explained by his head absorbing some of the momentum from the bullet and the rest of it ie the momentum pushing his flesh in the same direction of the bullet toward the back therefore if he was shot from the rear at least his head OR some of some his flesh would have to have moved forward, even more flesh would have been required than the amount of flesh that was moved in the same direction as head was to give his head enough momentum to have moved his head in the the opposite direction of the bullet ie toward the read. In other words for the bullet to come to a stop
Even if one argues that perhaps kennedys head absorbed the momentum and then snapped back do to muscular and skeletal reaction, the fact that the cloud of blood and flesh occurs as the same time as his reaction backwards discounts that hypothesis because he never moved forward from the instant the blood cloud appeared. For it to have been a reaction he would have had to have moved forward from the position he was already in, which was his most comfortable position from the wounds he had already suffered. A wounded man is not going to voluntarily put himself into a position that he suddenly needed to jerk out of, which is what he would have to have done to not have been being moved backwards from bullet momentum OR a large amount of his flesh would have had to move forward to have pushed him backwards.
The only time Kennedy moved forward was in reaction from a bullet in the back or the throat and after being violently snapped back from the headshot from the front. That was Kennedy’s only reaction to being pushed into an unsustainable position, not his 2nd reaction after involuntarily reaction backwards after being moved into an unsustainable position from a bullet moving toward the front of the car.
dan...@gmail.com
Ben Holmes
dan...@gmail.com says...
> I have found that in many instances the secret elect
your location, and I've sent the black helicopters...
> are absolutely
> right when they state that "people who will not use their intelligence
> are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such people
> are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent."
> (Quote from "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" in Chapter Two). We get
> exactly what we deserve in most instances.
>
>
> Even saying that "physics is moot because of evidence that can not
> possibly be tampered with" would make sense if one also has already
> taken the following advice: "if thine eyes offend thee, pluck them out".
> That means to suggest that assuming that someone who can orchestrate to
> assassinate a president certainly has no ability to have evidence
> tampered with? That is in fact a "reasonable" assumption, the planners
> had no idea of evidence concerning criminal investigations and would
> have allowed it to all come out? That can be assumed? lol
>
> It does happen from time to time that an object struck by a bullet will
> move in the opposite direction of a bullet
My intelligence tells me that if anyone *could have* in the last 45+ years, they
would have.
I'll understand if you can't provide a citation... surely those ultra-low
frequencies that they've been beaming into your home must affect your ability to
locate such a citation.
> but that can be explained by internal forces given more is blown out the
> back of the object ie in the same direction the bullet is moving. What
> that means is that for an object to be moved in the opposite direction
> of the bullet ie toward the shooter enough of the object has to be
> expelled with enough momentum to force the object that it was expelled
> from to force it against the bullets momentum.
that momentum will create *A LARGER AMOUNT OF MOMENTUM" that can be applied
against it.
Brilliant physics! Where can you cite for this amazing fact?
> the car.
question... have you ever fired a rifle and hit *ANYTHING*?
...
Actually, I have a second question... what grades did you get in junior high
physics... surely you never took any science classes beyond that...
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Replying to DVP:
It's an odd situation where a bullet can come into the back of
JFK's head and being a jacketed bullet which is not supposed to
fragment going through a body, immediately fall apart into two
separate parts, comes out of the head somewhere (there seems to be
differences at the autopsy), and finding itself in midair in front of
JFK decides to split in two and fly forward immediately to the front
seat area of the limo. Once in the area of the front seat, the bullet
decides to stop in midair and flop down onto the floor of the limo.
Landing on the floor of the limo, it then sprouts legs and scrambles
backward under the front seat to hide there until found accidentally
late at night by someone cleaning the limo.
But let's not stop there. There is the possibility that the bullet
didn't go through such gyrations to get under the front seat. Perhaps
the 'magic' bullet was more magic than ever we thought? Here it comes
into the back of JFK's head and slices through quickly and comes out
somewhere and finding itself in midair in front of JFK, it decides to
immediately pop apart into to 2 pieces and drop down to the floor of
the limo. Once there, it uses its legs and scuttles forward under the
front seat and hides there until late at night, when it comes out to
be found. This all depends on there being a clear path under the
front seat from the pasenger compartment, or course.
A bullet that was not supposed to fragment splits in two, not from
hitting something head on, but splits in the middle with the tail end
looking like it was twisted off. An odd result. CE 567-569.
Remember these fragments were supposed to go through only JFK's head.
There were no other marks on the limo that would be explained by the
fragments hitting something else before scuttling under the seat. But
even more odd is the 'magic' bullet CE399, which after going through
7-8 parts of people looks exactly like the top bullet in CE572, which
was test fired. A really strange happening.
Chris
Sam McClung
the rifle was a mauser on the 6th floor twice then became a carcano on the
5th then 6th floor, with a cousin carcano named jethrina in the backyard
photos
jethrina was also in the acoustic position locale during the assassination
so it could be planted against oswald there if necessary under the
circumstances
oswald may have carried jethrina up the grassy knoll mid morning 11-22-63 as
seen by mercer
ricky white may have or may have had a mauser that oswald brought into the
gsbd on 11-21-63 and left with his contact on the 3rd floor
ricky's dad roscoe gave ricky two mausers, noting the original 6th floor
gsbd 1:06 pm frame rifle was a 7.65 mauser, the 1:22 pm frame rifle was a
7.65 mauser (perhaps the same one used at 1:06 pm), and also the suppressed
rifle roscoe used from the acoustic position was a 7.65 mauser
maybe ruby cleansed roscoe's 7.65 mauser from dealey plaza, removed the
suppressor, replaced it with a flash suppressor, took it to the 6th floor
gsbd, and it was used in the 1:06 pm and 1:22 pm plants to frame oswald,
roger craig present at the former but not the latter "finding"
then again, maybe the 1:06 pm and 1:22 pm mauser was the mauser that oswald
brought into the gsbd on 11-21-63 and left at the 6th floor assassination
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