Re: BOOK REVIEW -- "The Death Of A President" By William Manchester
YoHarvey
> BOOK REVIEW:
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>
> "THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT"
>
> By:
>
> William Manchester
>
> (Subtited: "NOVEMBER 20 - NOVEMBER 25, 1963")
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>
> First Edition (Hardcover).
> Published by: Harper & Row.
> Year Published: 1967.
> 710 Pages (plus Foreword and Glossary).
> 10 Chapters (plus Epilogue).
> 6-Day "Chronology" of events (November 20-25, 1963).
> 8 Pages of Maps/Charts.
> 19 Pages of Sources.
> 22-Page Index.
>
> www.amazon.com/dp/0671049607
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> www.amazon.com/dp/0883659565
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>
> Anyone interested in the intricate (and factual) details surrounding
> the assassination of President John F. Kennedy needs to read William
> Manchester's "The Death Of A President".
>
> This book takes the reader on a painstaking (and often gut-wrenching)
> journey, encompassing six days in the autumn of 1963 (November 20-25),
> with an incredible amount of facts and rarely-revealed tidbits of
> information concerning the shocking murder of JFK popping up on nearly
> every page.
>
> Manchester's seemingly-inexhaustible pipeline to even the tiniest
> particles of information connected with President Kennedy's last
> living days and his shocking murder is very impressive, to say the
> least.
>
> In what other book could you possibly find such trivial facts as the
> telephone numbers for three Dallas court officials, all of whom
> received emergency calls from Air Force One (which was parked at
> Dallas' Love Field airport), in a frantic effort by the new President,
> Lyndon Johnson, to summon some eligible person (ANY eligible person)
> to the President's aircraft in order to swear him in as the 36th U.S.
> President?
>
> One of those phone numbers (RIverside 8-2251) belonged to the law
> office of Judge Sarah T. Hughes, who ultimately was the person who
> swore in LBJ on Air Force One on 11/22/63, becoming the first woman in
> U.S. history to ever issue a Presidential oath.
>
> The hardcover First Edition of "The Death Of A President" was
> published in 1967 and spans 710 pages, each one filled to the brim
> with a portion of one of the most fascinating and sad stories of the
> 20th century.
>
> On the debit side (but only slightly), the text throughout the entire
> book suffers from a curious lack of needed commas at the end of
> sentence-opening prepositional phrases.
>
> But after becoming familiar with this somewhat-annoying quirk within
> the book's sentence structure, I was able to sidestep the problem for
> the most part by mentally inserting the proper commas and literary
> pauses into the book's text.
>
> But that minor complaint about the punctuation certainly doesn't
> detract one bit from this volume's compelling content. Mr. Manchester
> has succeeded in very effectively transporting the reader back in time
> to November 1963. The "You Are There" effect can be felt on just about
> every page of "The Death Of A President".
>
> This book is very similar to Jim Bishop's 1968 book, "The Day Kennedy
> Was Shot". Manchester's publication, however, covers several more days
> surrounding JFK's death than does Bishop's.
>
> Each one of those books paints an almost minute-by-minute word picture
> of Friday, November 22, 1963, the day America lost its 35th President
> when assassin Lee Harvey Oswald's well-aimed third bullet (fired from
> the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas, Texas) found the back of
> President Kennedy's head, ending his life.
>
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>
> John F. Kennedy was only 46-and-a-half years old when 24-year-old Lee
> Harvey Oswald decided to murder him with a 1940 Mannlicher-Carcano
> rifle that Oswald purchased by mail-order for a grand total of $21.45.
>
> I'll let Mr. Manchester's exquisite and stirring book speak for itself
> for the remainder of this review, via several verbatim passages culled
> from the gripping pages of "The Death Of A President" (page numbers
> refer to the "First Edition" hardcover version, published by Harper &
> Row in 1967)......
>
> "12:30 {November 22, 1963}. Houston and Elm. .... The motorcade
> now resembled the figure Z. {Dallas Police Chief Jesse} Curry, at the
> top, was approaching the overpass. Three drivers--Greer, Kinney,
> Jacks--trailed him on Elm. The Book Depository was situated at the
> point of the sharp angle. The second section of the procession was
> proceeding toward it on Houston. The third section--a station wagon,
> the VIP bus, and the Signals car--was still on Main. ....
>
> "Greer, recovering from the difficult turn, started to relax.
> The strain was over. Then he, too, noticed the workmen {on top of the
> Triple Underpass bridge just ahead of the Presidential limousine which
> William Greer was driving}. Puzzled, he studied the unfamiliar street
> to see whether he could veer at the last minute if necessary and take
> the President beneath a deserted part of the span.
>
> "The Lincoln was now passing the pine oak, which momentarily
> screened John Kennedy from the muzzle in the sixth-floor corner
> window. Abe Zapruder, hunched over his Zoomar lens was photographing
> SS 100 X {the President's 1961 Lincoln convertible} as it approached
> him. ....
>
> "There was a sudden, sharp, shattering sound. ....
>
> "The President was wounded, but not fatally. A 6.5 millimeter
> bullet had entered the back of his neck, bruised his right lung,
> ripped his windpipe, and exited at his throat, nicking the knot of his
> tie. Continuing its flight, it had passed through Governor Connally's
> back, chest, right wrist, and left thigh. ....
>
> "Nellie Connally twisted in her seat and looked sharply at
> Kennedy. His hands were at his throat, but he wasn't grimacing. He had
> slumped a little. ....
>
> "Greer turned back to the wheel. Kellerman {seated next to Greer
> in the front seat}, hesitant, glanced over his shoulder again. Neither
> had yet reacted to the crisis. And now it was too late.
>
> "Howard Brennan, open-mouthed, saw Oswald take deliberate aim
> for his final shot. .... Crooking his arm, Oswald drew a fresh bead
> with his Italian rifle. .... His target, startlingly clear in the
> cross hairs of his telescopic sight, was eighty-eight yards away. He
> squeezed the trigger." -- Pages 153-158
>
> =======================
>
> "By 1 P.M. Dallas time {just 30 minutes after JFK was shot},
> according to a University of Chicago study conducted the following
> winter, 68 percent of all adults in the United States--over 75 million
> people--knew of the shooting. ....
>
> "It was clear from the outset that the crime on Elm Street was
> the most spectacular single American disaster since Pearl Harbor. ....
> Before the end of the afternoon, when 99.8 percent had learned that
> the elected President had been murdered, the country was in the grip
> of an extraordinary emotional upheaval.
>
> "Over half the population wept. Four out of five, in the words
> of the report, felt "the loss of someone very close and dear," and
> subsequently nine out of ten suffered "physical discomfort"." -- Page
> 189
>
> =======================
>
> "The words were framed. They would not be eloquent, but they
> would do the job. At 1:33 he {Assistant Presidential Press Secretary
> Malcolm Kildiff} moistened his lips. .... "President John F. Kennedy
> died at approximately one o'clock Central Standard Time today here in
> Dallas." ....
>
> "At 1:35 UPI bells chimed on teletype machines around the world:
> 'FLASH---PRESIDENT KENNEDY DEAD---JT135PCS'." -- Page 221
>
> =======================
>
> "Lee Oswald has been repeatedly identified here {in this book}
> as the President's slayer. He is never "alleged" or "suspected" or
> "supposed" or "surmised"; he is the culprit. Some, intimidated by the
> fiction that only judges may don the black cap and condemn, may
> disapprove. ....
>
> "But enough is enough. The evidence pointing to his guilt is far
> more incriminating than that against {Abraham Lincoln's assassin John
> Wilkes} Booth. .... He is the right man; there is nothing provisional
> about it. ....
>
> "From the instant he dropped his mail-order rifle on the top
> floor {actually the next-to-top floor} and fled down the enclosed
> stair well--leaving a tuft of fibers from his shirt wedged in the butt
> plate and a profusion of finger and palm prints on the weapon, on the
> paper bag which he had used to conceal the gun during the drive from
> Irving with Wesley Frazier, and on one of the cartons he had stacked
> as a gun rest--there could be no doubt of his ultimate
> conviction. ....
>
> "Because of Oswald's epic stupidity--and his panic; it is highly
> likely that he lost his head when Officer Tippit beckoned to him--the
> assassin's movements after the murder can be reconstructed with
> precision." -- Pages 278-279
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> "Vernon B. Oneal is an interesting figure in the story of John
> Kennedy. .... A hustling businessman, Oneal had seven radio-equipped
> ambulance-hearses and his own dispatcher. .... Oneal handled
> tragedies east of the Trinity River, and Dudley M. Hughes, his chief
> competitor, worked the west bank. ....
>
> " "You're kidding!" Oneal had gasped when the dispatcher told
> him that 601 was reporting a Code 3. ....
>
> " "This is Clint Hill of the Secret Service. I want you to bring
> a casket out here to Parkland. I want you immediately." ....
>
> "Running into his selection room, {Oneal} chose his most
> expensive coffin, the Elgin Casket Company's "Britannia" model, eight
> hundred pounds of double-walled, hermetically sealed solid bronze.
>
> "He couldn't carry it alone. Hurrying out to his driveway, he
> stood vigil there until he had collected three returning employees.
> The four of them eased the massive coffin into the pride of his
> vehicular fleet--a snow-white, air-conditioned 1964 Cadillac which he
> had bought at the October convention of the National Funeral Directors
> in Dallas. It was less than a month old, had exactly nine hundred
> miles registered on the dashboard indicator, and was furnished with
> light-green window curtains." -- Pages 291-292
>
> =======================
>
> "Roy Kellerman had been the first agent to scent trouble.
> Shortly before the coffin arrived, Roy had been standing with Dr.
> Burkley in the nurse's station...when a pale, freckled, walleyed man
> in shirt sleeves entered, reached for another phone, and flipped the
> receiver off snappily, like a gunman in a Western. "This is Earl
> Rose," he said. "There has been a homicide here. They won't be able to
> leave until there has been an autopsy." ....
>
> "The men around the coffin decided to adopt Kemp Clark's
> suggestion; if necessary, they would hold him {Medical Examiner Earl
> Rose} down. .... Rose was surrounded by muscle. ....
>
> "It looked as though they might have to hold more than one man
> down, and if the patrolman intervened actively, he would be no
> pushover; he was wearing a pistol and was fingering it. ....
>
> "{JFK aide Kenneth O'Donnell} uttered a swart oath recommending
> monogenesis. Thrusting his head forward until their noses nearly
> grazed, he said, "We're leaving. .... We're getting out of here. We
> don't give a damn what these laws say. We're not staying here three
> hours or three minutes"." -- Pages 297 and 303-304
>
> =======================
>
> "Jean Kennedy Smith had been looking out a window of the tower
> suite at Bethesda {Naval Hospital in Maryland, where President
> Kennedy's body was taken to be autopsied}...when a muted voice said,
> "She's here." She turned, and Mrs. Kennedy was standing in the center
> of the drawing room. "There," in Ben Bradlee's words, "was this
> totally doomed child, with that God-awful skirt, not saying anything,
> looking burned alive"." -- Page 406
>
> =======================
>
> "After the first arraignment {for the murder of Dallas Police
> Officer J.D. Tippit} Oswald told correspondents that he had protested
> to the justice of the peace..."that I was not allowed legal
> representation during that very short and sweet hearing. I really
> don't know what the situation is all about." It was a lie. Oswald
> certainly knew what the situation was about. Circumstantial evidence,
> the very best kind, convicts him ten times over. He was merely playing
> the scene for all it was worth." -- Page 426
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>
> "The evidence against the assassin had been accumulating through
> the night. At 4 A.M. CST, executives of Klein's Sporting Goods in
> Chicago, after poring over their microfilmed records for six hours,
> found the "American Rifleman" coupon with which Oswald had ordered
> {Mannlicher-Carcano rifle} C2766 eight months before. ....
>
> "{During his interrogation by the police, Oswald offered} a
> pitiful fabric of lies about his past. He insisted that he couldn't
> afford a rifle on the Book Depository's $1.25 an hour. ....
>
> "Of the assassination he remarked, "People will forget that
> within a few days" because there would be "another President." That,
> and a passing reference to the Chief Executive's "nice family," was
> about all he had to say about his victim. ....
>
> "Even when he was allowed to see his wife, mother, and brother,
> he was singularly uncommunicative about the national tragedy. ....
> Marina {LHO's wife} did not ask him whether he had killed Kennedy.
> Nevertheless it was very much on her mind. Later she said, "I could
> see by his eyes he was guilty"." -- Pages 456-457
>
> =======================
>
> "In both Friday's assassination and Sunday's murder {of Lee
> Harvey Oswald at the hands of Jack Ruby}, two vivid threads are
> evident: warnings of disaster had come from responsible sources, and
> peace officers, in weighing them, had miscalculated gravely. ....
>
> "The difficulty was that they {the Dallas Police Department}
> were attempting to second-guess vigilantism. .... What was NOT
> contemplated was that a lone individual, with no credentials, might
> penetrate the security screen before the movement from the jail
> basemant had begun. ....
>
> "Ruby's presence in the basement is utterly confounding. To some
> it will remain forever mystifying, to others it will always provide
> positive proof of police collusion in a complex conspiracy. ....
>
> "The basement had been completely cleared. .... Nevertheless,
> Ruby was there when Oswald emerged from the elevator. How did he
> manage it? Part of the answer lies in the fact that he was not there
> during the search. Indeed, as late as 11:17 A.M., three minutes before
> Oswald stepped down into the garage, Ruby was in the Western Union
> office on Main Street, 350 feet from the top of the Main Street
> ramp. ....
>
> "Ruby approached {Oswald} from his left front. Shouldering
> forward through the straining crowd, the burly gunman passed between a
> reporter and a plain-clothes man, his .38 in his right hand. .... Then
> he fired. The bullet passed through Oswald's liver, spleen, and aorta,
> and in the next instant, the murderer of the murderer lay on the
> basement floor, being pummeled by officers. .... He wailed, "I'm Jack
> Ruby, you all know me!" ....
>
> "Two days and seven minutes after the President had been
> pronounced dead, the sheet was drawn over his killer's face." -- Pages
> 520-521 and 524
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> "Jacqueline Kennedy had appeared on the North Portico, a child
> in either hand. .... The shock of that brief scene was immense. In
> that one instant she revealed to the great audience the full measure
> of its loss. ....
>
> "Transfigured beneath the North Portico's hanging lantern, she
> awaited the procession, her swollen eyes fixed on the caisson and the
> six matched horses. Her expression of ineffable tragedy was, in that
> flicker of a moment, indelibly etched upon the national conscience."
> -- Pages 529-530
>
> =======================
>
> "Those who were watching her {Jacqueline Kennedy} thought
> {Senator Mike} Mansfield was being needlessly cruel to her, but they
> hadn't been in that car, they hadn't seen the blood, they hadn't known
> the antiseptic nightmare of Trauma Room No. 1, they were strangers to
> violent death.
>
> "Only Jacqueline Kennedy could judge Mike Mansfield, and she
> couldn't believe what she was hearing; she didn't know a eulogy could
> be this magnificent. ....
>
> "He finished, and with his vibrant voice still echoing in the
> dome above, he came over and handed her the manuscript. She said, "You
> anticipate me. How did you know I wanted it?" Mansfield bowed his
> head. "I didn't. I just wanted you to have it"." -- Page 541
>
> =======================
>
> "The fourteen-minute ceremony was over, and suddenly Mrs.
> Kennedy, who had felt faint and was swaying slightly, realized
> everyone was waiting for her to leave first.
>
> "She wasn't quite ready. Facing Robert Kennedy, she asked
> softly, "Can I say good-bye?" He nodded once, and she took Caroline by
> the hand. .... Mother and daughter moved forward, the widow
> gracefully, the child watching carefully to do as she did. Jacqueline
> Kennedy knelt. Caroline knelt. ....
>
> "Caroline's small gloved hand crept underneath {the flag which
> was covering her father's casket}, to be nearer, and in that single
> instant an entire nation was brought to its knees." -- Page 542
>
> =======================
>
> "The coffin would be wheeled, not borne, up the center aisle {of
> Washington's St. Matthew's Cathedral on November 25, 1963}. This was a
> concession to Lieutenant {Samuel R.} Bird's description of his body
> bearers' agonizing ascent into the rotunda. ....
>
> "His team still had to bring the coffin back down the Capitol
> steps. The prospect had them petrified. Ordinarily, six men could lift
> a casket with ease. Today {November 24, 1963}, Bird had added a Marine
> and a sailor, yet they had barely made it, and the descent was bound
> to be more difficult than the ascent, for they wouldn't have him {Lt.
> Bird} bracing them from the rear.
>
> "One young Army specialist had worked himself into a state of
> semihysteria; he was convinced that they were going to drop their
> precious burden on the marble and split it open before the eyes of a
> hundred million Americans. ....
>
> "{Lieutenant Bird} himself, he confessed later, was "near
> panic." Therefore, he decided upon a drastic measure: they would spend
> the night rehearsing.
>
> "The ensuing scene was perhaps the most bizarre of all those
> played out in the small hours of November 24-25. Borrowing a
> regulation Army casket from Fort Myer's honor guard company, the team
> drove it to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers at midnight, filled it
> with sandbags, and slowly carried it up and down, up and down the
> tomb's steps.
>
> "After sundown, the Unknown Soldiers' guard doesn't have to walk
> back and forth, so Bird ordered him to sit atop the coffin. Up, down,
> up and down the team trudged with the man straddling the lid.
>
> "Finally, the Lieutenant stopped them, told the guard to make
> room, and HE got on, too. Lugging a sand-filled casket and two bodies,
> the eight bearers made the trip again, again, again, again. It was
> cruel, but absolutely necessary; his men had been demoralized, and
> now, sweating in the dark, they felt a flicker of hope." -- Page 561
>
> =======================
>
> "Lieutenant Sam Bird had drawn the casket team around him in a
> tight circle. "Bow your heads," he said. He closed his eyes. "Dear
> God," he prayed, "please give us strength to do this last thing for
> the President." ....
>
> "To the hymn "O God of Loveliness," casket team and casket came
> down the thirty-six steps. But today there was no strain. The
> fantastic weight of yesterday was gone. The coffin seemed incredibly
> light, and since it seemed that way to each of the eight bearers, who
> could neither speak to one another nor even exchange glances until it
> had been lashed to the gun carriage, the power of suggestion must be
> ruled out.
>
> "Last night's lockstep torture at the Tomb of the Unknown
> Soldiers had been a success. It had broken their dreadful spell of
> fear, and they withdrew in wonder." -- Pages 576-577
>
> =======================
>
> "The casket team held the flag. .... The fifty jets shrieked
> above them. The fighters were a trifle early, but for {Air Force One
> pilot} Colonel Swindal, the timing was near perfect. The startled
> crowd {at Arlington Cemetery} glanced up, and in the interval after
> the last echo of the F-105's, the Presidential aircraft, racing ahead
> of its own thunder, loomed soundlessly overhead {a mere 500 feet above
> President Kennedy's gravesite}.
>
> "For an astonishing instant, the beautiful plane appeared to
> hang suspended, so low that one felt one could almost reach up and
> touch its blue flashes. Then Swindal rocked the swept-back wings 20
> degrees to the left, came level directly above the taut flag, rocked
> right in another deep, three-second dip, and streaked off toward the
> Key Bridge.
>
> " {Air Force General} Godfrey McHugh thought it the most
> exquisite maneuver he had ever seen. .... All who knew of the
> President's love for Air Force One were moved, and as the mighty tail
> with the bold blue numerals "26000" vanished over the naked trees,
> into the vapor trails left by the fighters, {Jacqueline Kennedy's
> sister} Lee Radziwill wept." -- Page 597
>
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> David Von Pein
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Fine review David. However I would suggest you defube prepostional
phrases to the CT community. One must always remember their
educational limitations!
David Von Pein
BOOK REVIEW:
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"THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT"
By:
William Manchester
(Subtitled: "NOVEMBER 20 - NOVEMBER 25, 1963")
YoHarvey
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Daivd? Fine review. However, in the future it may be worth you
defining such terms as "prepositional phrases" to the CT community.
One must always be aware of their educational limitations.
David Von Pein
phrases, but with regard to my deleting my first version of the review
at the top of this thread).
But, as usual, I found an annoying typo and had to delete the whole
damn thing to make a small one-letter correction (and since I can't
stand errors, I had to delete; happens to me constantly, even after
multiple proof-readings; I HATE IT!). I'll probably have to delete the
second version too upon re-reading it. I think I'm cursed that way.
(Maybe I can blame it on Tom Rossley. He might be the devil himself
anyway.) ;)
And since Google won't allow "edits" (which I'd love to have), a full
"Removal" of the material is required upon finding any mistakes.
Anyway, that's why the order of this thread is screwy. But you, Yo,
must be an awfully-fast reader, to read through this review and then
compose a post of your own in a mere 6 minutes from my first post.
The "#1 reviewer" at Amazon would be proud of that. She reads about 10
books a day, based on her reviews written. Or she says she does
anyway; many people think she merely reads the dust covers and writes
her reviews from those. I won't give an opinion on that, though, since
I have no idea what she is like or what her reading capacity is.
But, as for me, I read every one of Mr. Manchester's intriguing and
stirring 710 pages of "TDOAP" and enjoyed them very much. I'd
recommend the book to any Kennedy fan.
DVP
YoHarvey
I read very fast David....and I enjoy your reviews.
bigdog
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A couple of comments. I'm not sure it was necessary to find an
"eligible" person to administer the oath of office. My understanding
is that anyone can administer the oath although by custom, it is done
by a judge. I believe I read somewhere that when Harding died, Calvin
Coolidge was adminstered the oath by his father. Maybe his father was
a judge, but I don't think there is any Constitutional requirement as
to who may administer the oath.
I read exerpts of The Death of a President about 20 years ago. I
thought that I read in it that he theorized JFK's raising of his arms
was a defensive reaction, not a reaction to the shot although I might
have it confused with another book I read at about the same time. I
later read that same theory put forth several years later in Jim
Moore's LN book, Conspiracy of One. I believe the book I first read
this theory in state's that JFK felt the spray of debris from the
first bullet hitting the pavement. Can you tell me if this was in
Manchester's book or do I have this confused with another work.
David Von Pein
That's not Manchester's book; that was Jim Bishop's "The Day Kennedy
Was Shot" (published a year after Manchester's).
BTW, it's fairly obvious that some portions of Mr. Manchester's text
from TDOAP were used by Bishop a year later. One blatant example is
the way both authors misspell the last name of Charles Brehm (it's
spelled "Brend" in both books).
But the "JFK sprayed by debris" theory is evidently Bishop's. I talk
about that very thing, in fact, in my 2005 review of Bishop's book
below......
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d5bfef3e64392e4d
Steve
Even Gerald Ford knew the CIA altered evidence.
Now the news channels, are peddling the new Secret Service theory, about the
Chicago memo.
The SBT is crap, always has been, always will be.
GJJDude's videos are a collection of relivant accounts.
JFK looking at a dog, discredited until the stuffed lamb was proven.
Ha ha ha, all you SBT's, hold that close to your lies.
David Von Pein
Oh brother.
YoHarvey
> Oh brother.
GJJDude's videos are a collection of relivant accounts.
Yep, he's a CT allright. Can't spell relevant lol
David Von Pein
I'll bet he's got no problem with spelling "patsy" though.
aeffects
> I'll bet he's got no problem with spelling "patsy" though.
c'mon Davey, daBug must be providing turkey for all you Nutter
turkey's LMFAO....
aeffects
> Oh brother.
Davey, we're everywhere.....
YoHarvey
Davey, we're everywhere.....
..yep, just like shit!
Sam Brown
"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> BOOK REVIEW:
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> "THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT"
>
> By:
>
> William Manchester
>
This was the very first book I'd ever read on the assassination. It had me
hooked from the word go.
aeffects
keep it to pud-pulling, pukster -- we know your resume goes no higher
than that.....
aeffects
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uh-huh! crush on Jackie, yes?
David Von Pein
ADDENDUM..........
Courtesy of a post by Peter Fokes, here's an article published by TIME
Magazine on December 23rd, 1966, regarding the difficulties that
author William Manchester had in getting "THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT"
published:
www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,840744,00.html
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Peter,
Thanks for posting the December 1966 TIME article. Very interesting
stuff.
I wasn't aware of how big the dispute between the Kennedys and
Manchester was.
Manchester's treatment of LBJ in "The Death Of A President" is,
indeed, undeniably a tad bit on the "cold" side (to put it mildly).
But I think a good deal of that iciness is due to the fact that much
of the text in TDOAP dealing with Johnson is being told through the
eyes of the Kennedy people...like O'Brien, O'Donnell, McHugh, and
Clifton, etc.
Another problem could have been that LBJ refused to meet in person
with author Manchester, so a first-hand account of certain things
couldn't be obtained by Manchester directly through Johnson himself.
A footnote on one of the source pages in TDOAP indicates that
Manchester, in June 1965, submitted a list of questions to Johnson in
writing, and "the President's answers were also in writing" ("TDOAP";
Page 664).
aeffects
> ADDENDUM..........
>
> Courtesy of a post by Peter Fokes, here's an article published by TIME
> Magazine on December 23rd, 1966, regarding the difficulties that
> author William Manchester had in getting "THE DEATH OF A PRESIDENT"
> published:
>
> www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,840744,00.html
>
> ========================================
>
> www.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/msg/8471ccad18d8d4f9
>
> Peter,
>
> Thanks for posting the December 1966 TIME article. Very interesting
> stuff.
>
> I wasn't aware of how big the dispute between the Kennedys and
> Manchester was.
sheeeeet, I thought ALL you paid *shills* knew that -- you need to
spend some time READING instead of copying & pasting, Dave..... the
above was common knowledge years, YEARS ago..... so much for your
topic expertise..... LMFAO!
David Von Pein
perfect and knowledgeable as Davey "Zapruder Wasn't There" Healy, huh?
aeffects
> Well, I guess it just goes to show that not everybody can be as
> perfect and knowledgeable as Davey "Zapruder Wasn't There" Healy, huh?
why would anyone believe a liar like Zapruder, after all, he did lie
about how much he was paid for the film, yes? Why did he do that?
Compulsive liar, ashamed, why?
Walt
The subject of your post, Manchester's book TDOAP, is one of the
primary reason's that I'm a CT.
I was a LNer for a short period after the murder of President Kennedy,
but it wasn't long before I realized that there was a skunk in the
woodpile. Oswald's 10 X 14 photo with the guns and the communist
newspapers on the cover of Life magazine probably was the turning
point. That magazine on the newsstands just seemed like a "wanted"
poster to me and it made me suspictious. When Manchester's book
TDOAP, came out and I read it, my impression was that he was
desperately trying to convince the reader that Oswald was guilty. He
wrote in such an "over the top" style that instead of convincing me,
it made me even more suspictious.
The fact that you believe and endorse TDOAP, and I reject it as a pile
of crap, shows how two minds can be swayed in opposite directions by
the same information.
Walt
aeffects
difference between you and Dave's viewpoint is he's more than likely
PAID to post his, THAT is not swayed!
David Von Pein
To be clear on this issue, I never set eyes upon a single page of
TDOAP until August 2007. Therefore, quite obviously, I certainly
wasn't "swayed" toward the LN POV by reading the book TDOAP.
But, naturally, a kook named Walt is forced to climb into the gutter
and call Manchester's excellent book "A PILE OF CRAP"; and that's
mainly due to the following in-a-nutshell paragraphs that appear on
pages 278 and 279 of "The Death Of A President".....
"Lee Oswald has been repeatedly identified here as the
President's slayer. He is never "alleged" or "suspected" or "supposed"
or "surmised"; he is the culprit. Some, intimidated by the fiction
that only judges may don the black cap and condemn, may
disapprove. ....
"But enough is enough. The evidence pointing to his guilt is far
more incriminating than that against {John Wilkes} Booth. .... He is
the right man; there is nothing provisional about it. ....
"From the instant he dropped his mail-order rifle on the top
floor {actually the next-to-top floor} and fled down the enclosed
stair well--leaving a tuft of fibers from his shirt wedged in the butt
plate and a profusion of finger and palm prints on the weapon, on the
paper bag which he had used to conceal the gun during the drive from
Irving with Wesley Frazier, and on one of the cartons he had stacked
as a gun rest--there could be no doubt of his ultimate
conviction. ....
"Because of Oswald's epic stupidity--and his panic; it is highly
likely that he lost his head when Officer Tippit beckoned to him--the
assassin's movements after the murder can be reconstructed with
precision." -- William Manchester
aeffects
> >>> "The fact that you believe and endorse TDOAP, and I reject it as a pile of crap, shows how two minds can be swayed in opposite directions by the same information." <<<
>
> To be clear on this issue, I never set eyes upon a single page of
> TDOAP until August 2007. Therefore, quite obviously, I certainly
> wasn't "swayed" toward the LN POV by reading the book TDOAP.
uh-huh.... thats like saying up until 2007 I never saw a LIFE magazine
that cpvered the JFK assassination.... who the hell are you kidding?
What a idiot lone Nut KOOK, you've become!
David Von Pein
Healy thinks I'm lying when I say I had not read any of TDOAP prior to
2007.
He makes this bold claim while possessing the exact same amount of
proof that he also possesses with respect to his notion that Abe
Zapruder is likely not on that pedestal in DP on 11/22.
Healy is in need of a strait-jacket.
robcap...@netscape.com
> >>> "The fact that you believe and endorse TDOAP, and I reject it as a pile of crap, shows how two minds can be swayed in opposite directions by the same information." <<<
>
> To be clear on this issue, I never set eyes upon a single page of
> TDOAP until August 2007. Therefore, quite obviously, I certainly
> wasn't "swayed" toward the LN POV by reading the book TDOAP.
>
> But, naturally, a kook named Walt is forced to climb into the gutter
> and call Manchester's excellent book "A PILE OF CRAP"; and that's
> mainly due to the following in-a-nutshell paragraphs that appear on
> pages 278 and 279 of "The Death Of A President".....
>
> "Lee Oswald has been repeatedly identified here as the
> President's slayer. He is never "alleged" or "suspected" or "supposed"
> or "surmised"; he is the culprit. Some, intimidated by the fiction
> that only judges may don the black cap and condemn, may
> disapprove. ....
"Some, intimadated by the fiction that only judges may don the black
cap and condemn, may disaprove...."
Is this Commie nutcase for real? Some may contend? Is the
constitution considered SOME? Is the "Bill of Rights" SOME? What a
looney bird. I guess this is why Dave of Dumb jumped all over this
book, another wackjob that believes in "Texas Justice". According to
Manchester, why do we even have courts at all? If it we can call LHO
a murderer with no trial, why not everyone? Wackjob Manchester
doesn't know we the real decision is the jury's not the judges, he/she
is there only to guide and make sure all the laws are followed
properly by the two lawyers.
> "But enough is enough. The evidence pointing to his guilt is far
> more incriminating than that against {John Wilkes} Booth. .... He is
> the right man; there is nothing provisional about it. ....
What evidence is he talking about? I haven't seen any real concrete
evidence. Then again he doesn't even understand how a court works so
he obviously wouldn't know about laws of evidentiary proceedings,
would the wackjob?
>
> "From the instant he dropped his mail-order rifle on the top
> floor {actually the next-to-top floor}
See, he doesn't even know what floor this "guilty" man was allegedly
shooting from. What a fraud! Is he Bugman's mentor?
and fled down the enclosed
> stair well--leaving a tuft of fibers from his shirt wedged in the butt
> plate and a profusion of finger and palm prints on the weapon, on the
> paper bag which he had used to conceal the gun during the drive from
> Irving with Wesley Frazier, and on one of the cartons he had stacked
> as a gun rest--there could be no doubt of his ultimate
> conviction. ....
Please, did he write this in between martinis?
>
> "Because of Oswald's epic stupidity--and his panic; it is highly
> likely that he lost his head when Officer Tippit beckoned to him--the
> assassin's movements after the murder can be reconstructed with
> precision." -- William Manchester
Look who's talking. This guy is no brain surgeon.
David Von Pein
Why don't you just accuse me of talking to myself or making up the
quotes I attribute to Mr. Manchester?
That kind of accusation would be in character (since you're a Mega-
Kook), now wouldn't it?
The part of the kook's last post I like best is this.....
"WHAT EVIDENCE IS HE TALKING ABOUT?"
It just doesn't get any funnier than that (Until the kook's next hunk
of idiocy surfaces here in the asylum, that is.)
Sam Brown
"aeffects" <aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:def4a163-8d7f-49ec...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Why not, she was a beautiful, educated, cultured woman. Something you have
never been near in the flesh Defects.
Happily I can say I have. Bitter much Loser? ROTFLMAO
Sam Brown
Same reasons you lie about winning awards for broadcasting and animation
probably.
aeffects
> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
send me your brother Sammy, you do have a brother in the trades don't
you? We also understand you lack of self esteem, living in guilt can
be extremely trying..... btw, change your pen name you'll not find
work this side of the Pacific toot's...... of course for the time
being you can scab if you wish, when the strike is over, well, to
bad.....
Sam Brown
> On Nov 23, 10:49 pm, "Sam Brown" <samjbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5f40f053-1c25-4c4c...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Nov 23, 10:06 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> Well, I guess it just goes to show that not everybody can be as
>> >> perfect and knowledgeable as Davey "Zapruder Wasn't There" Healy, huh?
>>
>> > why would anyone believe a liar like Zapruder, after all, he did lie
>> > about how much he was paid for the film, yes? Why did he do that?
>> > Compulsive liar, ashamed, why?
>>
>> Same reasons you lie about winning awards for broadcasting and animation
>> probably.
>
> send me your brother Sammy,
Does the Mrs know?
you do have a brother in the trades don't
> you?
No he is a professional animator with Academy Award winning films under his
belt. You are a lying bigot, nothing more.
We also understand you lack of self esteem, living in guilt can
> be extremely trying..... btw, change your pen name you'll not find
> work this side of the Pacific toot's...... of course for the time
> being you can scab if you wish, when the strike is over, well, to
> bad.....
Keep sniffing that glue Junkie. Sweating much? ROTFLMAO
aeffects
> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3060bd0b-f2ab-4e78...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 10:49 pm, "Sam Brown" <samjbrow...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> "aeffects" <aeffect...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:5f40f053-1c25-4c4c...@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Nov 23, 10:06 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> Well, I guess it just goes to show that not everybody can be as
> >> >> perfect and knowledgeable as Davey "Zapruder Wasn't There" Healy, huh?
>
> >> > why would anyone believe a liar like Zapruder, after all, he did lie
> >> > about how much he was paid for the film, yes? Why did he do that?
> >> > Compulsive liar, ashamed, why?
>
> >> Same reasons you lie about winning awards for broadcasting and animation
> >> probably.
>
> > send me your brother Sammy,
>
> Does the Mrs know?
>
> you do have a brother in the trades don't
>
> > you?
>
> No he is a professional animator with Academy Award winning films under his
> belt. You are a lying bigot, nothing more.
you're a simple minded liar Sammy from down-undah, to be pitied for
sure....
Sam Brown
Do a search on Simon Brown Animator. Or sit down and be quiet, we'll let
you know when you can speak.