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Debunking The HSCA's Acoustics Evidence

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David Von Pein

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Nov 28, 2007, 2:39:39 PM11/28/07
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DEBUNKING THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE'S
ACOUSTICS EVIDENCE.....


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"If you could prove to me that there was no police officer in
the place where he had to be, you would falsify {the acoustics
evidence}." -- G. Robert Blakey; 2003

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Well, Dale K. Myers has certainly done that, Mr. Blakey. .....

http://jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/acoustics.htm

In fact, upon looking at the Robert Hughes film a few additional times
recently, it's very, very easy to debunk the HSCA's acoustics
(Dictabelt) evidence via JUST THE HUGHES FILM ALONE.

Why?

Because it's obvious from the Hughes Film that there is not going to
be a DPD police motorcycle in the area near the intersection of Elm &
Houston Streets by the time the first shot occurs (which the HSCA said
was fired at about Zapruder Frame #157).....

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/report/html/HSCA_Report_0039a.htm

Robert Hughes' November 22 filmmaking vantage point (looking due north
from the corner of Main & Houston Streets) is ideal for determining
whether a police motorcycle was (or could have been) near the Elm/
Houston intersection at the time when the HSCA said it was essential
for a cycle to be located there.

The Hughes Film follows the President's car as it turns the corner at
Elm and Houston. This would be only a matter of about 2 to 3 seconds
before the first shot was fired, per the HSCA analysis. And we can
even see JFK's limo completely disappear from view around the Elm
corner before Hughes stops filming momentarily.

And guess what? -- THERE IS NO MOTORCYCLE ANYWHERE NEAR THE CORNER OF
ELM & HOUSTON AT THIS CRITICAL POINT IN TIME ON THE HUGHES FILM.
(Unless we want to count the two motorcycles which are flanking the
left side of the Secret Service follow-up car. But these cycles are
certainly ruled out as potential candidates for having the stuck-open
microphone, because they were both a significant distance WEST of the
Elm/Houston intersection at the time of the first gunshot.)

Nor, for that matter, is there any motorcycle visible on Houston
Street AT ALL in the Hughes Film in the crucial seconds after
President Kennedy's car has made its turn onto Elm.

Moreover, it's not until a few seconds AFTER Kennedy's limo turns the
corner onto Elm that we get our first glimpse of Officer H.B. McLain,
as he comes into Hughes' view in the foreground (with McLain having
just then started his turn from Main onto Houston). And it was McLain
who was supposed to be very near the Elm corner at the time of the
first shot, according to the HSCA.

The Hughes Film is linked below. There's not a police motorcycle to be
seen on Houston Street at the critical moments in question when the
House Select Committee on Assassinations needed a cycle near the
corner of Elm & Houston. .....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KEPyzR1c_mc


Here's a freeze-frame image from the Hughes Film:


http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/11973.jpg

The President's limousine has already turned the corner in the above
photo. The Secret Service follow-up car is in the middle of its turn,
right behind JFK's vehicle. And there's not a motorcycle in sight on
Houston Street, and it's only approximately three seconds before the
first gunshot was fired in Dealey Plaza.


So, while it's very nice, indeed, that Dale Myers has taken the time
and effort to synchronize all of the various films together (to prove
beyond any and all doubt that no motorcycle was near the Elm corner
when the HSCA needed the policeman's open microphone there), I think
it's fairly obvious that pretty much the very same acoustical
debunking can be achieved by watching JUST the Robert Hughes film.

Burly...@gmail.com

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Nov 28, 2007, 2:53:19 PM11/28/07
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On Nov 28, 9:39 am, David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
> DEBUNKING THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE'S
> ACOUSTICS EVIDENCE.....
>
> ===========================================
>
> "If you could prove to me that there was no police officer in
> the place where he had to be, you would falsify {the acoustics
> evidence}." -- G. Robert Blakey; 2003
>
> ===========================================
>
> Well, Dale K. Myers has certainly done that, Mr. Blakey. .....
>
> http://jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/acoustics.htm
>
> In fact, upon looking at the Robert Hughes film a few additional times
> recently, it's very, very easy to debunk the HSCA's acoustics
> (Dictabelt) evidence via JUST THE HUGHES FILM ALONE.
>
> Why?
>
> Because it's obvious from the Hughes Film that there is not going to
> be a DPD police motorcycle in the area near the intersection of Elm &
> Houston Streets by the time the first shot occurs (which the HSCA said
> was fired at about Zapruder Frame #157).....
>
> http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/report/html/HSCA_Report_0...


The same can be said for the study by the National Academy of
Sciences "Ramsey report".

Mr. Myers' visual production vindicates the work done by the Ramsey
panel, where an instance of what is called "crosstalk" discovered by a
private citizen, disproved the HSCA's ''gunshot evidence''.

tomnln

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Nov 28, 2007, 3:18:40 PM11/28/07
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<Burly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mr. Myers' visual production vindicates the work done by the Ramsey
> panel, where an instance of what is called "crosstalk" discovered by a
> private citizen, disproved the HSCA's ''gunshot evidence''.

I wouldn't bet the farm on the word of that "private citizen" if you're
referring to a
certain Rock n Roll Drummer/
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Burly...@gmail.com

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Nov 28, 2007, 3:34:33 PM11/28/07
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On Nov 28, 10:18 am, "tomnln" <tom...@cox.net> wrote:
> <BurlyGu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> > Mr. Myers' visual production vindicates the work done by the Ramsey
> > panel, where an instance of what is called "crosstalk" discovered by a
> > private citizen, disproved the HSCA's ''gunshot evidence''.
>
> I wouldn't bet the farm on the word of that "private citizen" if you're
> referring to a
> certain Rock n Roll Drummer/
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hide quoted text

Don't know anything about the private citizen being a "Rock n Roll
Drummer", and really don't care what his vocation is.


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David Von Pein

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Nov 28, 2007, 3:50:22 PM11/28/07
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It was Ohio drummer Steve Barber, formerly a regular poster at this
forum, who first discovered the Sheriff Decker "crosstalk", while
listening to a cheap cardboard record in 1979. ....


http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/gallery.jpg


Nothing to date has undercut Barber's initial analysis.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/acoustic.htm

tomnln

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Nov 28, 2007, 4:35:59 PM11/28/07
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"David Von Pein" <davev...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ooooooh;

Are you talking about THIS Steve Barber?>>>

http://whokilledjfk.net/law_suits.htm

aaronhi...@yahoo.com

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Nov 28, 2007, 5:51:09 PM11/28/07
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Everybody is missing the point. Blakey's objective was to rely on
scientific evidence due to the supposed unreliable conflicting
eyewitness accounts. Which may or may not have been conflicting to
begin with.

His thesis ran aground when the acoustic evidence showed a fourth
shot. But he forged ahead and concluded that the fourth shot was
valid and therefore there were two shooters.

Then the acoustic evidence showing the fourth shot ran aground.

The proper conclusion is that to rely exclusively on scientific
evidence to the dearth of eyewitness accounts is a mistake. But that
is NOT the conclusion that was reached. The only conclusion that was
reached is that the acoustic evidence is invalid.

I come to this ng every so often, see the validity of the acoustic
evidence being argued, post my comment, get flamed, and leave. I will
be back in the future and repeat the process.

Aaron Hirshberg

YoHarvey

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Nov 28, 2007, 9:20:52 PM11/28/07
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On Nov 28, 12:51 pm, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"

Let's see. Believe Steve Barmer of a vegetables like Rossley, Healy,
Holmes and our resident pathologica liar. Jesus/Robacap/
CuriousGeorge. Since Steve Barber is RESPECTED, I'll go with Barber
RATHER than the 4 misfits who portray themselves as anti-America.

tomnln

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Nov 28, 2007, 9:37:13 PM11/28/07
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"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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YHo(Momma)Harvey must be Overkum with the Juices of THREE little boys at the
same time.

He'd made THREE typo's in the same paragraph above.
It's NOT unusual for members of the Drug Culture to edify each other.

What else they have in common is that NONE of them address their own
evidence/testimony.

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/baileynme.htm

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/frick.htm

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/law_suits.htm

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm

SEE>>> http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm

SEE>>> http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm

Herbert Blenner

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Nov 29, 2007, 9:02:24 AM11/29/07
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Herbert Blenner

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Nov 29, 2007, 9:03:32 AM11/29/07
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aeffects

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Nov 29, 2007, 9:10:00 AM11/29/07
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whoa.... thanks for posting this Herbert...


>
> >http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/acoustic.htm

aaronhi...@yahoo.com

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Nov 30, 2007, 4:18:23 PM11/30/07
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Not only that, but my thesis has been vindicated. Nobody will admit
that Blakey's central thesis of believing the physical evidence to the
dearth of the eyewitness accounts is flawed. Nobody ever has, nobody
ever will.

Aaron Hirshberg

Herbert Blenner

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Nov 30, 2007, 6:35:15 PM11/30/07
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On Nov 30, 11:18 am, "aaronhirshb...@yahoo.com"

Do you accept the physical evidence of the Zapruder film that shows
President Kennedy's "back and the left" motion or the testimonies of
approximately two dozens eyewitnesses who describe nothing even
remotely resembling the most dramatic and unforgettable scene of the
film? For details see:

http://mysite.verizon.net/a1eah71/twodozen.htm

Herbert

YoHarvey

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Nov 30, 2007, 7:25:46 PM11/30/07
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Physical evidence ALWAYS trumps witness testimony. Always. Do some
homework.

aeffects

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Nov 30, 2007, 7:30:37 PM11/30/07
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that why you Lone Nut pussies whine so much about the Zapruder film?
Best evidence trumps ALL evidence, dolt!

Ben Holmes

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Nov 30, 2007, 8:12:23 PM11/30/07
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In article <9fa3f495-9913-4072...@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>,
aaronhi...@yahoo.com says...

Can't be done. For once LNT'ers accept the possibility that the eyewitnesses
were correct, the WCR flares into the circular file... and some of the "physical
evidence" is revealed to be fraudulent.

Herbert Blenner

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Nov 30, 2007, 9:37:46 PM11/30/07
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> homework.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you accept the physical evidence of loud interference on the
Dictabelt with repetition rates from 26,000 to 54,000 RPM or the
witness testimony that attributed the noise to a motorcycle engine?

Hint, do a Google search using motorcycle and tacheometer as keywords
and note that manufacturers do not recognize the repetition rate of a
motorcycle engine even approaching 20,000 RPM.

Herbert

tomnln

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Dec 1, 2007, 2:37:29 AM12/1/07
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"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Physical evidence ALWAYS trumps witness testimony. Always. Do some
> homework.

Then, that video of me & your wife musts drove you over the edge.

http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
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tomnln

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