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David Von Pein  
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 More options Dec 19 2007, 5:50 am
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:50:42 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Dec 19 2007 5:50 am
Subject: Re: The SBT, John Connally's Reactions, And The Zapruder Film

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>>> "You now have to explain, since you believe Z223 was the point of impact {actually I believe it to be Z224, but you're close}, how JBC's hand could be above and to the right of his nipple and still be injured by the magic bullet." <<<

It wasn't. And you can't prove his wrist was in such a position as of
Z224. .....

Z223:
www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z223.jpg

Z224:
www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z224.jpg

>>> "Clearly, frames 224-230 show just that. Here is a blow-up of frame 230..." <<<

What the heck does Z230 have to do with proving your point here? Z230
is six full frames AFTER the obvious impact point of Z224.

Connally's right arm (containing that same injured wrist) starts
flying aimlessly UP then DOWN at Z226, just an instant after it was
struck at Z224, indicating an involuntary movement of that right arm
(wrist) at that point.

Or do you think Connally had a desire to willfully jerk his right arm
around in such an odd way just an instant BEFORE that SAME WRIST was
hit by a bullet? That's just...frankly...nuts.

And the "arm/hat flip", which begins at Z226, is one of the primary
reasons I can say with a good deal of certainty that Connally was
struck at precisely Z224 by the ONE AND ONLY BULLET that hit him on
November 22, which is just an eyeblink ahead of the involuntary "arm/
hat flip" movement.

And a victim's involuntary reaction to a gunshot wound can occur,
according to many doctors, "almost simultaneously with the injuries".
[Via 7 HSCA 179; excerpt provided below.]

And that's what we find with respect to both JFK's and Governor
Connally's visible reactions at Z225.*

* = Bearing in mind, of course, that President Kennedy is technically
hidden by that damn Stemmons Freeway sign at the precise moment when I
believe the SBT bullet is going through him at Z224. But such an
"almost simultaneous" involuntary reaction with respect to Governor
Connally specifically is, IMO, being demonstrated very clearly, and in
full living color, on Abraham Zapruder's home movie between frames 224
and 226.

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      "The {HSCA's forensic pathology} panel notes the interval
between the observable reactions of the President and the Governor at
the time of their injuries, as seen in the Zapruder film. Some
observers have contended that the interval is too long to permit the
conclusion that a single bullet struck both men.

      "The majority of the panel believes that the interval is
consistent with the single-bullet theory. At issue is the time delay
between bullet impact and the observable reactions of each man to his
injury, which in turn is determined by many factors, including whether
or not their reactions were voluntary or involuntary. If involuntary,
they would have occurred almost simultaneously with the injuries. If
voluntary, there is often a slight delay in reacting." -- HSCA Volume
7; Page 179

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol7/html/HSCA...

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To the people who think that Connally was hit EARLIER than Z224 (like
Mr. Bugliosi), I'd have to ask: What are the odds of Connally's wrist
performing its little "Hat Dance" just two frames AFTER Z224 if he had
really been hit back at Z210 (VB's favored timeline) or Z190 (the
HSCA's SBT frame number)?

Again, the odds are incredibly low (IMO) that JBC would have been hit
as early as Z190 or Z210 and then (via an obvious INVOLUNTARY
reaction) start performing that "hat flip" as late as Z226. Such an
early SBT hit does not fit Connally's reactions at all.

The same goes with Connally's "open-mouthed grimace", which I see
occurring at Z225 exactly, with no signs of ANY distress on his face
at Z223 or Z224 at all (although I could argue that the BEGINNINGS of
the "distressed" look are starting to form on Connally's face at
Z224)...with this lack of any kind of discernible look of "distress"
as late as Z223 being absolutely incredible,  in my opinion, IF he
had, in fact, been hit many frames EARLIER than Z224.

Plus: there's the "shoulder hunching" and the "shoulder drop" of JBC's
right shoulder at Z224-Z226. All of these physical movements (which
are obviously INvoluntary movements occurring on the part of Mr.
Connally; that fact couldn't BE more obvious) are occurring within 1
to 3 frames of a Z224 SBT hit.

If he'd been hit as early as Z190 or Z210, these "Z224 to Z226"
involuntary reactions we're seeing on the Zapruder Film would be
happening a full second (or close to TWO full seconds per the HSCA)
after JBC had actually been struck by Bullet CE399. Which, IMO, is too
long.

And, to argue against the CT beliefs with respect to JBC's reactions
seen in the Zapruder Film, the reactions we see occurring at Z224 to
Z226 would, indeed, be off the "incredible" scale (in favor of "Too
Incredible Of A Coincidence To Be Believed For Even One Second!") if
Governor Connally had actually been hit by a bullet much LATER than
Z224, which is what most conspiracy theorists seem to believe, with
many CTers thinking that JBC wasn't hit until Z236 or Z238.

And some of the wackier kooks even want to believe that Connally
wasn't hit by any bullet until AFTER the fatal head shot struck
President Kennedy!

I guess, per those crazy CTers, the Governor DID decide to VOLUNTARILY
jerk that right arm up and down very rapidly (in the space of only 3
or 4 Z-Film frames) just PRIOR to that same arm being struck by a
bullet.

Go figure. ~shrug~

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THE SINGLE-BULLET THEORY IN ACTION:
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/88cd14ec6de230eb

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