Every Single Thing Lee Harvey Oswald Did Following JFK's Assassination Says "I'm Guilty"
David Von Pein
MURDER INDICATES THAT OSWALD WAS A LONE ASSASSIN ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963
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Here are some of my miscellaneous thoughts concerning assassin Lee
Harvey Oswald's "Lone Killer" status in association with the murders
of both President John F. Kennedy and Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit in
Dallas, Texas, on the 22nd day of November in the year of 1963......
Regarding Oswald's quick descent from the 6th Floor to the 2nd Floor
of the Texas School Book Depository Building just after the gunshots
were fired; and Oswald's "breathing" status at 12:32 PM; and the
reasons why two Depository employees didn't bump into or hear LHO on
the stairs:
No one was on the stairs at the exact same time as Oswald. Via the
overall weight of the witness testimony given to the Warren Commission
in 1964, it's very probable that the two employees in question
(Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles) didn't even start down the stairs
until a few minutes AFTER the shooting. Those two ladies did not
encounter anyone (or hear anyone) on the stairs, including Marrion
Baker and Roy Truly, who were positively running up those same stairs
within approx. 60 to 70 seconds of the last shot being fired.
Given these facts -- Oswald, Baker, and Truly must certainly have been
on those stairs PRIOR to the time that Adams and Styles descended that
same staircase. But the conspiracy advocates, incorrectly, insist that
Oswald and the two women HAD to be on the stairs at the exact same
time (and such an unsupportable scenario was also re-created by Oliver
Stone in his 1991 motion picture, "JFK"). But that "Everybody's Using
The Stairs At Once" version of the event simply cannot be accurate,
and is not at all necessary to accommodate the available evidence re.
this issue.
As for being out of breath -- Short of being 5-foot-1 and 299 pounds,
I'm guessing that just about anybody could quickly travel down four
flights of stairs and NOT be "out of breath". It must be remembered
that Oswald was going DOWN the stairs, not UP.
Gliding down stairs certainly wouldn't necessarily make somebody
winded at all. I've never felt the need to go on oxygen after going
DOWN just a few steps. Plus: Oswald was NOT physically unfit either (5-
foot-9; slender build; approx. 150 pounds).
Also: The Warren Commission re-enacted Oswald's trip to the 2nd Floor
-- and it was easily accomplished multiple times in less than 80
seconds (Oswald was seen by policeman Baker approx. 90 seconds after
the shooting). The re-enactments also included taking the time to hide
the rifle in the place where Oswald hid it (near the stairwell).
Secret Service Agent John J. Howlett performed two separate "re-
creations" of Oswald's probable post-shooting movements, taking 78
seconds on his
first try and 74 seconds on the second. And Howlett was not out of
breath upon reaching the second-floor lunchroom at the completion of
either one of the test runs, which were conducted at a regular walking
pace and a "fast walk", respectively.
Conspiracists who continue to believe that Oswald's 90-second, 4-
flight trip to the second floor was a virtual impossibility are simply
wrong. It was easily a doable trek for Oswald, or for anybody else
with two legs who wasn't in a wheelchair.
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Regarding the subject of why Oswald was left "hung out to dry" (via
the less-popular conspiracy-flavored scenario which has Oswald
actively involved in the assassination plot in some fashion, but NOT
being set up as a "Patsy" by a group of unknown conspirators):
In such a case, why in the world would Oswald's other "teammates" who
are "in" on the plan just leave Oswald hanging out to dry after the
shots were fired?
In such a large plot involving Oswald (or in just a smaller two-man or
three-man plot), it would seem logical that one of the other plotters
would have provided their co-conspirator (Oswald) with some
transportation away from the murder scene.
But, instead, Oswald is left to hoof it on his own -- then take a city
bus, then a taxi to his roominghouse -- running the risk of being
spotted by other bus passengers (which, in fact, he was; a former
landlady of Oswald's, Mary Bledsoe, incredibly, was on the very same
Marsalis Street bus that Oswald boarded minutes after the
assassination; she later positively identified Oswald as having been
on the bus).
Then Oswald is left completely alone to fend for himself yet again --
travelling on foot from his Beckley Avenue residence to the scene of
the J.D. Tippit killing (and if the Tippit murder isn't an indication
that Oswald was involved in the JFK shooting, then nothing is, IMO).
Then he walks to a movie theater, a perfect place to "lay low" without
running a huge risk of being spotted in the nearly-empty and dark
theater.
ALL of the above signifies one thing for sure --- Oswald had NO
ACCOMPLICES on November 22, 1963. For if he had, all of these walking
and public-transportation methods of locomotion would certainly have
been avoided.
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But, in a total "Lone Nut" scenario, every single thing Lee H. Oswald
did after the President was shot makes perfect sense. Such as the
following laundry list of things telling us the President's murder was
the act of one lone killer, firing from his 6th-Floor perch:
1.) Lee Oswald couldn't drive (not very well at any rate; he had a few
lessons from Ruth Paine, and was not impressive behind the wheel
according to Mrs. Paine). Therefore, he's left to his own resources
after shooting the President, and forced to rely on other modes of
transportation for his getaway.
2.) Even if he COULD drive, Oswald had no vehicle to take him from
Point A (Dealey Plaza) to Point B (anyplace else) after the shooting.
And in an "LN" scenario, it's highly doubtful that he's going to go up
to Wesley Frazier (who gave him a lift that morning) and ask: "Hey
Wes, can you give me a ride home Friday? I'm gonna plug the Chief
Executive around lunchtime and need a getaway driver. OK with you?"
3.) LHO is not the least bit surprised when having Marrion Baker's gun
pointed at him just minutes after the assassination. Lee is quite calm
and cool. This calm reaction is an odd one if he were completely
innocent of the shooting and had no idea of what just happened out on
Elm Street.
IMO, Lee Oswald wasn't surprised by Baker's confronting him for one
simple reason -- he expected the police to be entering the building
quickly; and he had no reason to say to the officer, "What the heck is
going on here?! Why am I being stopped?!" -- because he KNEW what was
going on, because HE, himself caused it. Any innocent bystander in
that same situation is going to get scared, and at the very least ask
"What's going on? What did I do?"; but not Oswald; he never uttered a
word.
4.) He departs work quickly (within 3 minutes of the shooting), not
caring in the least about all the turmoil and police activity going on
outside the building.
5.) Oswald takes the only transportation available to him, in his
flight from the scene -- a public bus. When the bus gets clogged in
traffic, he changes to a taxi cab (highly unusual for the penny-
pinching Mr. Oswald; in fact, a researcher might be searching forever
if he were to try and verify a single other occasion when Lee Oswald
spent money on a cab ride within the United States).
6.) Lee has the taxi driver take him NOT to the front door of 1026 N.
Beckley (his residence) -- but instead to a point three blocks BEYOND
his home. He actually passes his house first in the cab, which, IMO,
is an obvious attempt to see if any cops are waiting for him there
yet, and so that the cab driver (William Whaley) won't know exactly
where his passenger lives.
7.) Oswald then grabs a handgun at his home, puts on a jacket (to
conceal the weapon more easily), and hustles out of the roominghouse,
not saying a word to housekeeper Earlene Roberts (who noted his
hurried behavior).
8.) Upon encountering Officer J.D. Tippit on 10th Street within 15
minutes of leaving his roominghouse, Oswald shoots and kills the
officer almost immediately (after very little conversation), plugging
him one extra time (in the head at point-blank range).
9.) Oswald knows he's got really big troubles now (as if killing JFK
weren't enough already). He knows multiple witnesses saw him kill
Tippit, but he's only got so much ammunition with him (he cannot
eliminate ALL these witnesses). So he'll save his last bullets for
when it really counts -- on more cops. Which is EXACTLY what he
attempted to do once he was cornered in the Texas Theater at approx.
1:50 PM on 11/22.
10.) In the theater, Oswald tries to kill police officer Nick McDonald
with the same gun he used on Tippit a half-hour earlier. But, luckily,
McDonald and other officers are able to wrest the gun away from their
suspect before it can be successfully fired, saving Oswald from yet
another possible murder charge that day.
11.) Oswald's first words when cornered are also indicative of guilt
-- "It's all over now!" and/or "This is it!" are the quotes that have
been attributed to LHO within the movie theater.
12.) When questioned by the police, Lee Harvey tells one lie after
another regarding crucial information -- such as lying after being
asked each of the following questions: "Do you own a rifle?", "Who is
A.J. Hidell?", and "Did you bring a package to work this morning?".
If Oswald had really been the "Patsy" (as he shouted out to the press
in the DPD hallways), then WHY didn't he reveal some names for the
police to check out? Don't tell me Oswald was involved in this massive
plan to assassinate the President and yet he had not one shred of an
idea as to what any of his co-conspirators looked like or what any of
their names (even fake names) might have been?!
In short -- The "Patsy" theory is simply pure out-and-out hogwash!
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What do all of the above points add up to (in their totality)? -- In a
certain sector of the "It Was A Conspiracy" world, these points
(somehow) add up to a "Patsy" who not only didn't murder the
President, but is also innocent of the even-more-provably-committed-by-
Oswald murder of Officer Tippit.
In that same portion of the "CT" world, the above items also add up to
a man (Oswald) who is apparently totally oblivious to the fact that he
is being "used" by hired, professional assassins, and who hadn't the
slightest idea that he would be used in this manner right up to the
time of the actual shooting itself. Otherwise, Mr. Oswald would never
have even shown up for work at the Depository on Friday morning (if he
had possessed even the slightest notion, that is, of the covert "plot"
that would be implicating HIM, and him alone, after 12:30 PM on
November 22nd, 1963).
And only AFTER the assassination itself does Oswald "get
smart" (evidently) and put the pieces together, and realize he's just
been "used" as the "Patsy" in this thing.
His "Patsy" remark has launched a mile-high pile of additional
conspiracy theories -- and I do think it was smart of Oswald to
announce to the TV cameras "I'm just a patsy!" for the world to hear.
A very smart move indeed. Because it accomplished exactly what he had
probably intended for it to accomplish -- i.e., it diverted some
attention away from Oswald himself.
That ONE single word out of Oswald's mouth ("Patsy!") has sent CTers
scrambling in all directions looking for "connections" to a plot --
any plot. None of which has been verified to this day to have the
slightest bit of truth in them (among the theories placed on the table
to date).
Zero pieces of credible, verifiable, provable information have been
unearthed to date that tie Lee Harvey Oswald to any of the various
proposed conspiracy theories.
The above "points", every single one, IMO, add up to the actions of
one lone killer of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. A man, on
foot, who tries desperately to flee the scenes of his two crimes and
avoid capture, even attempting to kill yet another person along the
way (but failing in that attempt before being handcuffed).
IN A NUTSHELL......
No conspiracy theorist can possibly deny the fact that each of the
points I've stressed above could certainly (at the very least) be
easily reconciled within an "Oswald Did It And Did It By Himself"
point-of-view.
If conspiracy promoters do choose to deny the fact that Lee Harvey
Oswald's post-12:30 actions on November the 22nd could possibly be
looked upon as the actions of ONE LONE KILLER, then I feel they are
not being honest about what Oswald's actions truly reveal.
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"While opinion polls can reveal cultural trends, they don't change
facts. In the final analysis, the truth doesn't require anyone's
belief." -- Dale Myers
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"There was no plot, no conspiracy. JFK wasn't murdered by anti-Castro
Cubans, the mob, or rogue CIA agents. There has not been one scintilla
of proof tying the assassination to anyone but Oswald. There have been
theories, but no evidence. Oswald had the motive, the opportunity, and
the skill to kill President Kennedy." -- Vincent Bugliosi
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"If Lee Harvey Oswald had nothing to do with President Kennedy's
assassination and was framed....this otherwise independent and defiant
would-be revolutionary, who disliked taking orders from anyone, turned
out to be the most willing and cooperative frame-ee in the history of
mankind!! Because the evidence of his guilt is so monumental, that he
could have just as well gone around with a large sign on his back
declaring in bold letters 'I Just Murdered President John F.
Kennedy'!!!" -- Vincent Bugliosi
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"Many of the conspiracy theories are appealing to the intellectual
palate at first glance, but they do violence to all notions of common
sense." -- Vincent Bugliosi
David Von Pein
March 2006
February 2007
cdddraftsman
> EVERYTHING LEE HARVEY OSWALD DID IN THE WAKE OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S
> MURDER INDICATES THAT OSWALD WAS A LONE ASSASSIN ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963
>
You Betcha it does ! ...........tl
brightwinger
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I'm not bothering to read whatever you've just written...this is just
a general response to Oswald's 'participation.'
While oswald didn't shoot JFK, he was peripherally connected to the
people if not the act. It is still a mystery as to waht he was doing
working in the book depository in the first place. He surely couldn't
raise a family working in a warehouse. he must have been receiving
money from somewhere.
So looking at his behavior in that light, it's easy to understand why
he behaved in strange ways.
Maybe he was shocked. Or maybe he was shocked by what his contacts had
done. He might have started cogitating on the question he had wondered
about since he took the job: "Why do my agents have me working in a
book despository??...what is the larger strategy in that?? Hmm,
someone just killed the president outside my window?? WTF! Is THAT why
they've placed me here! Man-oh-man! This is getting too deep, too
fast!"
So he panicked, wnet home and got a pistol [as if that woas going to
help, but the mind in self preservation mode does what it can]. Maybe
he shoots Tippit and maybe he doesn't~ it looks like he didn't since
the shell casings don't apear to match up.
Then he goes to the movies to escape from his fears and his mind which
at this point might be going the speed of light.
Mr Sqwubbsy
gun
pointed at him just minutes after the assassination. Lee is quite
calm
and cool. This calm reaction is an odd one if he were completely
innocent of the shooting and had no idea of what just happened out on
Elm Street.
So what you're saying is that if he'd appeared flustered when
confronted by Baker,this would have indicated innocence? Now we truly
are through the looking-glass,people!
David Von Pein
Every bit as much as guilt, yes. Definitely.
Put yourself in the same situation -- A cop comes quickly into the
room you are in (gun drawn). Yells for you to "come here". Sticks the
gun practically in your gut.
What is your reaction likely to be IF YOU ARE TOTALLY INNOCENT OF ANY
WRONG-DOING?
Would you:
A.) Remain fairly calm and dead quiet....never even asking a cursory
"What the fuck is this all about?!"?
Or would you:
B.) Get a bit nervous and excited and scared....and ask the policeman
why in the hell he's pointing a gun at you (a person innocent of any
crime at the time)?
As mentioned previously, it's my opinion that Oswald's calm demeanor
in the lunchroom is probably more favorable towards GUILT than it is
innocence....because Oswald didn't NEED to ask "what the fuck?!" -- he
ALREADY KNEW why Baker was pointing that gun at him.
Sure, it's just my own opinion regarding this "calm reaction" business
pertaining to Oswald's lunchroom encounter with Baker. But IMO, it
just makes sense. It's not really "proof" of anything, no. But it is,
in my view, just one more small piece of the puzzle that's telling a
reasonable researcher that Lee Harvey Oswald was guilty of shooting
JFK on 11/22/63.
legalr...@yahoo.com
> EVERYTHING LEE HARVEY OSWALD DID IN THE WAKE OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S MURDER INDICATES THAT OSWALD WAS A LONE ASSASSIN ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here are some of my miscellaneous thoughts concerning assassin Lee Harvey Oswald's "Lone Killer" status in association with the murders of both President John F. Kennedy and Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit in Dallas, Texas, on the 22nd day of November in the year of 1963......Regarding Oswald's quick descent from the 6th Floor to the 2nd Floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building just after the gunshots were fired; and Oswald's "breathing" status at 12:32 PM; and the reasons why two Depository employees didn't bump into or hear LHO on the stairs:No one was on the stairs at the exact same time as Oswald. Via the overall weight of the witness testimony given to the Warren Commission in 1964, it's very probable that the two employees in question (Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles) didn't even start down the stairs until a few minutes AFTER the shooting. Those two ladies did not encounter anyone (or hear anyone) on the stairs, including Marrion Baker and Roy Truly, who were positively running up those same stairs within approx. 60 to 70 seconds of the last shot being fired.Given these facts -- Oswald, Baker, and Truly must certainly have been on those stairs PRIOR to the time that Adams and Styles descended that same staircase. But the conspiracy advocates, incorrectly, insist that Oswald and the two women HAD to be on the stairs at the exact same time (and such an unsupportable scenario was also re-created by Oliver Stone in his 1991 motion picture, "JFK"). But that "Everybody's Using The Stairs At Once" version of the event simply cannot be accurate, and is not at all necessary to accommodate the available evidence re. this issue.As for being out of breath -- Short of being 5-foot-1 and 299 pounds, I'm guessing that just about anybody could quickly travel down four flights of stairs and NOT be "out of breath". It must be remembered that Oswald was going DOWN the stairs, not UP.Gliding down stairs certainly wouldn't necessarily make somebody winded at all. I've never felt the need to go on oxygen after going DOWN just a few steps. Plus: Oswald was NOT physically unfit either (5- foot-9; slender build; approx. 150 pounds).Also: The Warren Commission re-enacted Oswald's trip to the 2nd Floor -- and it was easily accomplished multiple times in less than 80 seconds (Oswald was seen by policeman Baker approx. 90 seconds after the shooting). The re-enactments also included taking the time to hide the rifle in the place where Oswald hid it (near the stairwell).Secret Service Agent John J. Howlett performed two separate "re- creations" of Oswald's probable post-shooting movements, taking 78 seconds on his first try and 74 seconds on the second. And Howlett was not out of breath upon reaching the second-floor lunchroom at the completion of either one of the test runs, which were conducted at a regular walking pace and a "fast walk", respectively.Conspiracists who continue to believe that Oswald's 90-second, 4- flight trip to the second floor was a virtual impossibility are simply wrong. It was easily a doable trek for Oswald, or for anybody else with two legs who wasn't in a wheelchair.----------------------Regarding the subject of why Oswald was left "hung out to dry" (via the less-popular conspiracy-flavored scenario which has Oswald actively involved in the assassination plot in some fashion, but NOT being set up as a "Patsy" by a group of unknown conspirators):In such a case, why in the world would Oswald's other "teammates" who are "in" on the plan just leave Oswald hanging out to dry after the shots were fired?In such a large plot involving Oswald (or in just a smaller two-man or three-man plot), it would seem logical that one of the other plotters would have provided their co-conspirator (Oswald) with some transportation away from the murder scene.But, instead, Oswald is left to hoof it on his own -- then take a city bus, then a taxi to his roominghouse -- running the risk of being spotted by other bus passengers (which, in fact, he was; a former landlady of Oswald's, Mary Bledsoe, incredibly, was on the very same Marsalis Street bus that Oswald boarded minutes after the assassination; she later positively identified Oswald as having been on the bus).Then Oswald is left completely alone to fend for himself yet again -- travelling on foot from his Beckley Avenue residence to the scene of the J.D. Tippit killing (and if the Tippit murder isn't an indication that Oswald was involved in the JFK shooting, then nothing is, IMO). Then he walks to a movie theater, a perfect place to "lay low" without running a huge risk of being spotted in the nearly-empty and dark theater.ALL of the above signifies one thing for sure --- Oswald had NO ACCOMPLICES on November 22, 1963. For if he had, all of these walking and public-transportation methods of locomotion would certainly have been avoided.----------------------But, in a total "Lone Nut" scenario, every single thing Lee H. Oswald did after the President was shot makes perfect sense. Such as the following laundry list of things telling us the President's murder was the act of one lone killer, firing from his 6th-Floor perch:1.) Lee Oswald couldn't drive (not very well at any rate; he had a few lessons from Ruth Paine, and was not impressive behind the wheel according to Mrs. Paine). Therefore, he's left to his own resources after shooting the President, and forced to rely on other modes of transportation for his getaway.2.) Even if he COULD drive, Oswald had no vehicle to take him from Point A (Dealey Plaza) to Point B (anyplace else) after the shooting. And in an "LN" scenario, it's highly doubtful that he's going to go up to Wesley Frazier (who gave him a lift that morning) and ask: "Hey Wes, can you give me a ride home Friday? I'm gonna plug the Chief Executive around lunchtime and need a getaway driver. OK with you?"3.) LHO is not the least bit surprised when having Marrion Baker's gun pointed at him just minutes after the assassination. Lee is quite calm and cool. This calm reaction is an odd one if he were completely innocent of the shooting and had no idea of what just happened out on Elm Street.IMO, Lee Oswald wasn't surprised by Baker's confronting him for one simple reason -- he expected the police to be entering the building quickly; and he had no reason to say to the officer, "What the heck is going on here?! Why am I being stopped?!" -- because he KNEW what was going on, because HE, himself caused it. Any innocent bystander in that same situation is going to get scared, and at the very least ask "What's going on? What did I do?"; but not Oswald; he never uttered a word.4.) He departs work quickly (within 3 minutes of the shooting), not caring in the least about all the turmoil and police activity going on outside the building.5.) Oswald takes the only transportation available to him, in his flight from the scene -- a public bus. When the bus gets clogged in traffic, he changes to a taxi cab (highly unusual for the penny- pinching Mr. Oswald; in fact, a researcher might be searching forever if he were to try and verify a single other occasion when Lee Oswald spent money on a cab ride within the United States).6.) Lee has the taxi driver take him NOT to the front door of 1026 N. Beckley (his residence) -- but instead to a point three blocks BEYOND his home. He actually passes his house first in the cab, which, IMO, is an obvious attempt to see if any cops are waiting for him there yet, and so that the cab driver (William Whaley) won't know exactly where his passenger lives.7.) Oswald then grabs a handgun at his home, puts on a jacket (to conceal the weapon more easily), and hustles out of the roominghouse, not saying a word to housekeeper Earlene Roberts (who noted his hurried behavior).8.) Upon encountering Officer J.D. Tippit on 10th Street within 15 minutes of leaving his roominghouse, Oswald shoots and kills the officer almost immediately (after very little conversation), plugging him one extra time (in the head at point-blank range).9.) Oswald knows he's got really big troubles now (as if killing JFK weren't enough already). He knows multiple witnesses saw him kill Tippit, but he's only got so much ammunition with him (he cannot eliminate ALL these witnesses). So he'll save his last bullets for when it really counts -- on more cops. Which is EXACTLY what he attempted to do once he was cornered in the Texas Theater at approx. 1:50 PM on 11/22.10.) In the theater, Oswald tries to kill police officer Nick McDonald with the same gun he used on Tippit a half-hour earlier. But, luckily, McDonald and other officers are able to wrest the gun away from their suspect before it can be successfully fired, saving Oswald from yet another possible murder charge that day.11.) Oswald's first words when cornered are also indicative of guilt -- "It's all over now!" and/or "This is it!" are the quotes that have been attributed to LHO within the movie theater.12.) When questioned by the police, Lee Harvey tells one lie after another regarding crucial information -- such as lying after being asked each of the following questions: "Do you own a rifle?", "Who is A.J. Hidell?", and "Did you bring a package to work this morning?".If Oswald had really been the "Patsy" (as he shouted out to the press in the DPD hallways), then WHY didn't he reveal some names for the police to check out? Don't tell me Oswald was involved in this massive plan to assassinate the President and yet he had not one shred of an idea as to what any of his co-conspirators looked like or what any of their names (even fake names) might have been?!In short -- The "Patsy" theory is simply pure out-and-out hogwash!----------------------What do all of the above points add up to (in their totality)? -- In a certain sector of the "It Was A Conspiracy" world, these points (somehow) add up to a "Patsy" who not only didn't murder the President, but is also innocent of the even-more-provably-committed-by- Oswald murder of Officer Tippit.In that same portion of the "CT" world, the above items also add up to a man (Oswald) who is apparently totally oblivious to the fact that he is being "used" by hired, professional assassins, and who hadn't the slightest idea that he would be used in this manner right up to the time of the actual shooting itself. Otherwise, Mr. Oswald would never have even shown up for work at the Depository on Friday morning (if he had possessed even the slightest notion, that is, of the covert "plot" that would be implicating HIM, and him alone, after 12:30 PM on November 22nd, 1963).And only AFTER the assassination itself does Oswald "get smart" (evidently) and put the pieces together, and realize he's just been "used" as the "Patsy" in this thing.His "Patsy" remark has launched a mile-high pile of additional conspiracy theories -- and I do think it was smart of Oswald to announce to the TV cameras "I'm just a patsy!" for the world to hear. A very smart move indeed. Because it accomplished exactly what he had probably intended for it to accomplish -- i.e., it diverted some attention away from Oswald himself.That ONE single word out of Oswald's mouth ("Patsy!") has sent CTers scrambling in all directions looking for "connections" to a plot -- any plot. None of which has been verified to this day to have the slightest bit of truth in them (among the theories placed on the table to date).Zero pieces of credible, verifiable, provable information have been unearthed to date that tie Lee Harvey Oswald to any of the various proposed conspiracy theories.The above "points", every single one, IMO, add up to the actions of one lone killer of President Kennedy and Officer Tippit. A man, on foot, who tries desperately to flee the scenes of his two crimes and avoid capture, even attempting to kill yet another person along the way (but failing in that attempt before being handcuffed).IN A NUTSHELL......No conspiracy theorist can possibly deny the fact that each of the points I've stressed above could certainly (at the very least) be easily reconciled within an "Oswald Did It And Did It By Himself" point-of-view.If conspiracy promoters do choose to deny the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald's post-12:30 actions on November the 22nd could possibly be looked upon as the actions of ONE LONE KILLER, then I feel they are not being honest about what Oswald's actions truly reveal.----------------------"While opinion polls can reveal cultural trends, they don't change facts. In the final analysis, the truth doesn't require anyone's belief." -- Dale Myers----------------------"There was no plot, no conspiracy. JFK wasn't murdered by anti-Castro Cubans, the mob, or rogue CIA agents. There has not been one scintilla of proof tying the assassination to anyone but Oswald. There have been theories, but no evidence. Oswald had the motive, the opportunity, and the skill to kill President Kennedy." -- Vincent Bugliosi----------------------"If Lee Harvey Oswald had nothing to do with President Kennedy's assassination and was framed....this otherwise independent and defiant would-be revolutionary, who disliked taking orders from anyone, turned out to be the most willing and cooperative frame-ee in the history of mankind!! Because the evidence of his guilt is so monumental, that he could have just as well gone around with a large sign on his back declaring in bold letters 'I Just Murdered President John F. Kennedy'!!!" -- Vincent Bugliosi----------------------"Many of the conspiracy theories are appealing to the intellectual palate at first glance, but they do violence to all notions of common sense." -- Vincent BugliosiDavid Von PeinMarch 2006 February 2007
Oswald was in on it, no doubt. But being the lone gunman? No way. In all likelihood the movie theater was the meeting place where Oswald was to meet the people, CIA or MAFIA, or the CIA and MAFIA, who were going to get him out of Dallas. In all likelihood the aforementioned players never planned on Oswald making it to the theater. The officer was an assassin sent to kill Oswald. It would have been the perfect cover story too, "Hero Officer catches Kennedy's Killer." However, the officer didn't count on Oswald stopping at his home first to get some added protection. In fact the dumb cop probably thought killing Oswald would be like shooting fish in a barrel. So, he probably walked up on Oswald with his gun drawn. However, Oswald, who was a trained Marine, and spy, got the drop on him and killed him first. This was probably the point-in-time Oswald was starting to feel his stomach tense-up. Why still go the theater? He probably wasn't a 100% sure. Either way, he would have had is answer for sure once he got there. No contact, he's the patsy. GET IT!
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> Oswald was in on it, no doubt. But being the lone gunman? No way. In all likelihood the movie theater was the meeting place where Oswald was to meet the people, CIA or MAFIA, or the CIA and MAFIA, who were going to get him out of Dallas. In all likelihood the aforementioned players never planned on Oswald making it to the theater. The officer was an assassin sent to kill Oswald. It would have been the perfect cover story too, "Hero Officer catches Kennedy's Killer." However, the officer didn't count on Oswald stopping at his home first to get some added protection. In fact the dumb cop probably thought killing Oswald would be like shooting fish in a barrel. So, he probably walked up on Oswald with his gun drawn. However, Oswald, who was a trained Marine, and spy, got the drop on him and killed him first. This was probably the point-in-time Oswald was starting to feel his stomach tense-up. Why still go the theater? He probably wasn't a 100% sure. Either way, he would have had is answer for sure once he got there. No contact, he's the patsy. GET IT!
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Except the likes of Dave/Ringo Healy and Gil (Bald Goose) Jesus, that
is.
People like that.
Informative Regards,
Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*
*...NOT ONE of the three experts was able to strike the head or the
neck of the target EVEN ONCE.* (Emphasis added).
Mark Lane, Rush to Judgment, page 129, footnoted as: XVII 261-262.
And yet here IS WC XVII 261-262, showing hits to the head...
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0144a.htm
X marks the spot where Mark Lane lied!
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> EVERYTHING LEE HARVEY OSWALD DID IN THE WAKE OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S
> MURDER INDICATES THAT OSWALD WAS A LONE ASSASSIN ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963
>
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2) All "links" between Oswald and the bullets that entered JFK and the Gov are extremely tenuous. For example . . . the paper bag . . . the backyard photos . . . AJ Hidell . . . ordering the rifle . . . delivery of the rifle . . . damage to CE 399 . . . discovery of CE 399 . . . how many fragments the Gov carried in his body . . . and it just goes on and on.
3) Then you have the vast circumstantial evidence surrounding the case . . . strange Oswald sightings . . . missing tape recordings between Hoover and Johnson . . . the strange George de Mohrenschildt . . . the mysterious Ruth Paine & Family . . . and it just goes on and on.
So even if all your points were valid (which they're not) the entire case has so many other factors as to make your conclusions unsound.
To answer some of your specific comments:
a) Could you do all that Oswald was supposed to have done (hiding the rifle and moving DOWN the stairs) and NOT be out of breath? Doubtful. Perhaps physically you could manage it in a test scenario . . . but the fear, anxiety and rush of adrenalin would be very difficult to hide. Besides which, would a shooter race down the stairs or walk down cautiously? Personally I question the assumption that the tests accurately recreated Oswald’s state of mind in fleeing the 6th Floor.
b) Why was Oswald left out to dry? Good question. He seemed to have no escape plan whatsoever. An even better question . . . why return home to retrieve a pistol if you know you’re going to shoot the President? I carry a concealed pistol all the time and it’s not a difficult thing to carry . . . it’s a much easier thing to hide if drawing it for self-defense is not the objective.
What Oswald’s actions do appear to show is exactly what he claims: He was a “patsy” or decoy or fall-guy. He’s in the lunch room, hears the commotion, has a gun pointed at him and learns the president has been shot. He’s involved with something strange and realizes he may be in danger. Then he leaves to retrieve the pistol and hide out.
Why does he go see marina Thursday night and then leave his ring and money? Perhaps he knew something was going to happen (but not when and where) or perhaps he had other personal reasons.
True? Who knows? But certainly as plausible as your scenario.
c) If Oswald shot Tippit then yes, that might be an indication that Oswald was guilty of shooting JFK. But, could it have been just as likely that Tippit was sent to gun him down? Is it just as likely that Oswald had nothing to do with the Tippit murder and the shooter got away with it? Both are equally as likely as your scenario, given what we know today (Nov, 2013).
d) We don’t know exactly what Oswald’s reaction was to having a pistol pointed at him? If you’re innocent and generally law-abiding and generally believe cops are the Good Guys, then I think you put your hands up and cooperate with the investigation. Perhaps a more volatile man might not but we have no proof that Oswald was as volatile as say, Jack Ruby.
e) Going past his house is clearly an attempt to see if cops . . . OR OTHERS . . . were waiting for him. If you approach it with an open mind then both are possible. And again this begs the question, why would he return home to retrieve a pistol he could easily have carried with him?
f) Your claim that he encountered Tippit within 15 minutes of departing the rooming-house is true but puts an “Oswald did it” spin on the matter. There is a lot of research concluding that Oswald COULD NOT have encountered Tippit within the time span given.
g) It’s not clear that Oswald tried to kill any cop in the theater since (to the best of my knowledge) no firing pin marks were ever found on the chambered round in Oswald’s possession.
h) “When questioned, Oswald told lies.” Really? How do you know they were lies? You’re assuming the very facts people have been arguing about for 50 years.
i) Why didn’t Oswald reveal the names of others involved? How do you know he didn’t? Can you produce the recording made of THE INTERROGATION OF THE KILLER OF A POLICE OFFICER AND PRESIDENT? In all caps on purpose. Here is probably the most important subject to ever walk into a DPD station before or since and there is no record of the questioning other than some strange notes made by Captain Fritz.
j) "IN A NUTSHELL......
points I've stressed above could certainly (at the very least) be
easily reconciled within an "Oswald Did It And Did It By Himself"
point-of-view."
The simple fact that you construe Oswald driving past his rooming-house as an attempt to evade police (TO THE INCLUSION OF TRYING TO ESCAPE ANYONE ELSE) clearly shows that you approach this cold case with a very closed mind and a very biased POV.
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> David Von Pein
> March 2006
> February 2007
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Key evidence against Oswald:
was in the TBD when the shots were fired with his rifle.
eyewitness place Oswalds in the sniper nest
Oswalds vacates TBD and goes to pick up his 38
Key witnsess claims that Oswald shot JD Tippet
Same gun was used to defend himself in the theater when arrested.
Marina claims she took the picture of Oswald holding the gun
Oswald purchase the gun
Package to work that may have carried the gun
Palm prints of Oswald on the boxes of the sniper dress.
All these could be argued for Oswald in court.
dcwillis
> MURDER INDICATES THAT OSWALD WAS A LONE ASSASSIN ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963
>
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>
> Here are some of my miscellaneous thoughts concerning assassin Lee
> Harvey Oswald's "Lone Killer" status in association with the murders
> of both President John F. Kennedy and Dallas policeman J.D. Tippit in
> Dallas, Texas, on the 22nd day of November in the year of 1963......
>
> Regarding Oswald's quick descent from the 6th Floor to the 2nd Floor
> of the Texas School Book Depository Building just after the gunshots
> were fired; and Oswald's "breathing" status at 12:32 PM; and the
> reasons why two Depository employees didn't bump into or hear LHO on
> the stairs:
>
> No one was on the stairs at the exact same time as Oswald. Via the
> overall weight of the witness testimony given to the Warren Commission
> in 1964, it's very probable that the two employees in question
> (Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles) didn't even start down the stairs
> until a few minutes AFTER the shooting. Those two ladies did not
> encounter anyone (or hear anyone) on the stairs, including Marrion
> Baker and Roy Truly, who were positively running up those same stairs
> within approx. 60 to 70 seconds of the last shot being fired.
>
> Given these facts -- Oswald, Baker, and Truly must certainly have been
> on those stairs PRIOR to the time that Adams and Styles descended that
> same staircase.
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Ben Holmes
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>
>As time goes on, more and more people realize that LHO did indeed kill JFK.=
> The public has so much access to the evidence and facts via the internet =
>than they had just 15 years ago. I remember having to go to a library to re=
>search all these bogus theories which at the time I thought were true. Only=
> to realize when you look at all the hard obvious facts, that only one sens=
Did the 50th draw you out?
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Ben Holmes
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There are, as of today, 419 quotes from Mark Lane you need to address.
But, like all cowards, you'll run...
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> Mark Lane was that loony lawyer that got caught up with Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple back in 1970s. Anybody that believes Mark Lane is definitely drinking the Kool Aid.