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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:59:18 -0700
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Subject: JFK Assassination-Related Quotes (Common Sense Included For Free)

A SERIES OF QUOTES PERTAINING TO THE NOVEMBER 22, 1963, ASSASSINATION
OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY BEGINS HERE:

=================================================

      "Not ONE SPECK of any bullets, bullet fragments, or bullet
shells OTHER THAN THOSE CONCLUSIVELY FROM OR CONSISTENT WITH LEE
HARVEY OSWALD'S MANNLICHER-CARCANO RIFLE were discovered anywhere in
Dealey Plaza, the limousine, the Texas School Book Depository,
Parkland Hospital, or in the victims.

      "This fact, to me, is simply impossible for conspiracy advocates
to overcome, IF there had been (as some claim) up to three gunmen and
4 to 10 shots fired in Dealey Plaza on November 22nd, 1963.

      "HOW could every single scrap of ballistics evidence be
completely eradicated from the two (or more) non-Oswald weapons almost
immediately after the event? Couldn't have been accomplished by even
Kreskin!" -- David Von Pein; July 2003

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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:00:47 -0700
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      "The Warren Commission critics and conspiracy theorists have
succeeded in transforming a case very simple and obvious at its core--
Oswald killed Kennedy and acted alone--into its present form of the
most complex murder case, by far, in world history.

      "Refusing to accept the plain truth, and dedicating their
existence for over forty years to convincing the American public of
the truth of their own charges, the critics have journeyed to the
outer margins of their imaginations. Along the way, they have split
hairs and then proceeded to split the split hairs, drawn far-fetched
and wholly unreasonable inferences from known facts, and literally
invented bogus facts from the grist of rumor and speculation.

      "With over 18,000 pages of small print in the 27 Warren
Commission volumes alone, and many millions of pages of FBI and CIA
documents, any researcher worth his salt can find a sentence here or
there to support any ludicrous conspiracy theory he might have. And
that, of course, is precisely what the conspiracy community has done."
-- Vincent T. Bugliosi; Page xxvi; "Reclaiming History: The
Assassination Of President John F. Kennedy" (c.2007)

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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:02:42 -0700
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      "To kooks, all the Dallas Police are suspects in the conspiracy
also. The world vs. the patsy." -- Bud; April 27, 2006

 
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Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:04:09 -0700
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      "Only a kook would use the time estimates to attempt to debunk
the KNOWN FACT (by way of OTHER things) that Lee Harvey Oswald killed
J.D. Tippit. But I suppose many of the conspiracy-hungry people of the
world figure it's their duty to be kooks and ignore the overriding
"Oswald's Guilty" evidence." -- David Von Pein; August 15, 2006

 
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      "Not the smallest speck of evidence has ever surfaced that any
of the conspiracy community's favorite groups (CIA, mob, etc.) was
involved, in any way, in the assassination. Not only the Warren
Commission, but the HSCA came to the same conclusion.

      "But conspiracy theorists, as suspicious as a cat in a new home,
find occurrences and events everywhere that feed their suspicions and
their already strong predilection to believe that the official version
is wrong." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Page xlii; "Reclaiming History" (c.
2007)


 
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      "You {a CT-Kook} think that one piece outweighs all the other
evidence. The WC didn't. Their opinion mattered, as they were tapped
to investigate this matter. The opinions of kooks are immaterial." --
Bud; October 27, 2005

 
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      "Most of Oswald's lies within his large pack of lies only
surfaced when the questions got close to the topic of his MC rifle and
how he obtained it (or anything about Oswald's precise whereabouts at
12:30 PM and approx. 1:14 PM on November 22nd).

      "Other peripheral topics, like lawyers, didn't require any bald-
faced falsehoods from Oswald's mouth. Why would they? But when it came
down to the Brass Tacks of the events of 11/22/63, Oswald was a
literal 'Lying Machine'.....

The rifle.
The two murders.
Alek Hidell.
Having lunch with "Junior".
The backyard photos.
"I didn't shoot anybody, no sir."
"I was just going to the picture show." (Paraphrased.)
"Bill Shelley said to go home." (Paraphrased.)

And gobs more." -- David Von Pein; September 16, 2006


 
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      "Several factors make it clear that Kennedy and Connally WERE
struck by the same bullet. There's absolutely no evidence of the
existence of any separate bullet hitting Connally." -- Vincent
Bugliosi; 1986

 
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Subject: Re: JFK Assassination-Related Quotes (Common Sense Included For Free)
      "Would it matter to kooks if the deformation of {the} bullet in
the test {performed in the 2004 TV Special, "JFK: Beyond The Magic
Bullet"} looked exactly like CE399? They'd find some reason to
disregard it. The people conducting the tests did a fair job of
replicating the wounds, though.

      "Perhaps you can give a better explanation for them, maybe tell
what the bullet that struck Connally hit that caused it to enter his
back sideways if it didn't hit Kennedy first.

      "Even when it is painstakingly shown how this thing happened,
you kooks reject it, opting instead to cling to this fantasy you've
nourished." -- Bud; October 21, 2005


 
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      "And the SBT, in addition to being grounded in the known
evidence surrounding the case, is also based on a whole lot of
regular, ordinary common sense as well. No "Anti-SBT" scenario has
ever come close to matching the Warren Commission's Single-Bullet
Conclusion in the "Evidence" department. Nor has any alternate theory
come close to equalling the SBT in the "Reasonable", "Workable",
"Believable", and "Common Sense" categories as well.

      "The Single-Bullet Theory FITS. The Single-Bullet Theory WORKS.
The Single-Bullet Theory is RIGHT." -- David Von Pein; March 2007

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      "It's a straight line....it {the Single-Bullet Theory} is the
only way it COULD have happened." -- Dale K. Myers; 2004

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      "You call it the theory; I call it the conclusion; it was a
theory until we found the facts; that's why I refer to it as the
Single-Bullet Conclusion." -- Arlen Specter; 1965

 
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      "While one of the pieces of physical evidence could conceivably
have been faked by an expert, there is no possibility that an expert,
or team of super-experts, could have fabricated the perfectly
coordinated whole.

      "This brings to mind the recurrent theme in most conspiracy
books. {I.E.:} All the officials alternate between the role of
"Keystone Kops", with the inability to recognize the implications of
the most elementary evidence, and "Evil Geniuses", with superhuman
abilities to fake physical evidence that is in complete agreement with
all the other faked evidence." -- Larry M. Sturdivan; Page 246 of "The
JFK Myths" (c.2005)

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      "This bullet {a 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano missile like CE399} can
penetrate four feet of solid wood or three pine telephone poles side
by side and come out looking completely undeformed.

      "On the other hand, if it is fired into the thick bone of the
back of a human skull, the jacket and core of the bullet will separate
{see top link below for verifiable proof of this}, releasing a myriad
of additional fragments of many different sizes." -- Dr. John K.
Lattimer; Page 277 of "Kennedy And Lincoln: Medical And Ballistic
Comparisons Of Their Assassinations" (c.1980)

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      "The conspiracy theorists have converted Katzenbach's and
Warren's desire to squelch RUMORS that had no basis in fact into
Katzenbach's and Warren's desire to suppress the FACTS of the
assassination.

      "But how could Katzenbach and Warren have known way back then
that they had to spell out that ONLY false rumors, rumors without a
stitch of evidence to support them, had to be squelched for the
benefit of the American public?

      "How could they have known back then that there would actually
be people like Mark Lane who would accuse men like Warren, Gerald
Ford, John Cooper, and so on...of getting in a room and all deciding
to deliberately suppress, or not even look for, evidence of a
conspiracy to murder the president...or that there would be
intelligent, rational, and sensible people of the considerable stature
of Michael Beschloss and Evan Thomas who would decide to give their
good minds a rest and actually buy into this nonsense?" -- Vincent
Bugliosi; Pages 367-368 of "Reclaiming History" (c.2007)


 
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      "When kooks look at the evidence, anything involving Oz's
culpability is "almost, but not quite". He can almost make this shot,
but not quite. He can almost make it downstairs from the 6th floor in
time to encounter Baker, but not quite. He can almost make it to 10th
& Patton from the boardinghouse in time to shoot Tippit, but not
quite. So close, but yet so far, as kooks judge things." -- Bud; June
18, 2006

 
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      "After assessing the facts in the Tippit case, any person who
can state the blatant falsehood that the evidence surrounding Oswald's
guilt in the Tippit crime is weak or inconclusive (as many CTers often
do claim) is a person who obviously WANTS to have Oswald innocent of
killing Officer J.D. Tippit (no matter how much evidence exists to say
he was guilty)." -- David Von Pein; April 7, 2006

 
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      "With respect to the second shot fired in Dealey Plaza, the
"single-bullet THEORY" is an obvious misnomer. Though in its incipient
stages it was but a theory, the indisputable evidence is that it is
now a proven FACT, a wholly supported conclusion. .... And no sensible
mind that is also informed can plausibly make the case that the bullet
that struck President Kennedy in the upper right part of his back did
not go on to hit Governor Connally." -- Vincent Bugliosi; Pages
489-490 of "Reclaiming History" (c.2007)

 
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      "Correcting kooks is a full time job that not many are willing
to take on. I'm not, that's for sure. .... Ultimately, kooks will
believe what they want to believe." -- Bud; January 15, 2006

 
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      "Question --- How many brain-dead plotters does it take to rub
out just one simple-minded patsy before the bastard can talk?? Answer
--- A good-sized number, per the CT-Kooks. {Marrion} Baker failed,
{Gerald} Hill failed, Ruby failed on his first attempt (probably).

      "The Patsy Crew finally had to go with Plan 9 From Kooksville,
and kill the bum in the police station on LIVE TELEVISION. THAT did
the cover-up a lot of good, huh?" -- David Von Pein; February 19, 2007


 
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JOHNNY CARSON -- "Now, you say 'the fact remains' again....as if it IS
a fact. You keep saying 'we know' and 'the fact is'....but that's not
a fact, is it?"

JIM GARRISON -- "Yes."

JOHNNY CARSON -- "What makes it a fact? Because you say so?"

-- Via Johnny Carson's interview with Jim Garrison on "The Tonight
Show" (NBC-TV)(January 31, 1968)

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JOSEPH BALL -- "Did you say anything to him {Lee Harvey Oswald} about
an attorney the first time you talked to him?"

CAPTAIN J. WILL FRITZ (DPD) -- "Yes, sir; the first time. He asked
about an attorney, and I told him he certainly could have an attorney
any time he wanted it. I told him he could have an attorney any time
he liked, any attorney he wanted. I told him, I said, we will do it.
He said he wanted an attorney in New York. And he gave me his name,
Mr. Abt, and he said that is who he wanted, and I told him he could
have anyone he liked." ....

MR. BALL -- "Was there anything said about calling him on the
telephone?"

CAPT. FRITZ -- "A little bit later."

MR. BALL -- "Not that time?"

CAPT. FRITZ -- "Not that minute. A little bit later, he asked
something else about an attorney and I said, "Did you call an
attorney?" And he said, "You know I can't use the telephone." And I
said, "Yes, you can; anybody can use a telephone." So, I told them to
be sure to let him use a telephone and the next time I talked to him
he thanked me for that, so I presume he called."

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      "It's my very firm belief--I'm very, very confident--that no
reasonable, rational person --- and let's underline those words
'reasonable' and 'rational' --- no reasonable, rational person can
possibly read this book {"Reclaiming History"} without being satisfied
beyond all reasonable doubt that Oswald killed Kennedy and acted
alone." -- Vincent Bugliosi; April 30, 2007

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      "We have shown, by carefully-controlled experiments, that a
Mannlicher-Carcano rifle CAN be fired more rapidly and accurately than
the {Warren} Commission believed.

      "Now these points strengthen the Warren Report's basic finding.
They make it MORE likely that Oswald shot the President. They
significantly weaken a central contention of the critics....their
contention that Oswald could NOT have done it because he did not have
enough time to fire.

      "It is now reasonable to assume that the first shot, fired
through a tree, missed its mark....and that it was this shot that
Governor Connally heard. The Governor has insisted all along that he
was not struck by the first shot. It now appears he was correct. Now
we can answer all our secondary questions ---

      "Did Oswald own a rifle? .... He did.

      "Did Oswald take a rifle to the Book Depository Building? ....
He did.

      "Where was Oswald when the shots were fired? .... In the
building, on the sixth floor.

      "Was Oswald's rifle fired from the building? .... It was.

      "How many shots were fired? .... Three.

      "How fast could Oswald's rifle be fired? .... Fast enough.

      "What was the time span of the shots? .... Seven or eight
seconds.

      "Did Lee Harvey Oswald shoot President Kennedy? .... CBS News
concludes that he did." -- Walter Cronkite; CBS News; Via the 1967 TV
Special, "A CBS News Inquiry: The Warren Report"

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 More options Oct 7 2007, 10:14 pm
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From: David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:14:16 -0700
Local: Sun, Oct 7 2007 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: JFK Assassination-Related Quotes (Common Sense Included For Free)
      "Any assassins who would have needed only Oswald fingered for
the two murders on 11/22/63 must have all (to a man!) been under the
influence of large quantities of hallucinogenic drugs when they
decided to place a variety of different shooters throughout Dealey
Plaza (and on 10th Street for Tippit's killing), as many CTers
advocate.

      "And these powerful drugs they must have been on I guess must
have had a crazy type of "Miracles Are Possible" effect on all of the
shooters and behind-the-scenes schemers -- because only a "miracle"
could have rescued such an inane multi-shooter "Patsy" plan from
certain failure on that 22nd day of November back in '63." -- David
Von Pein; April 7, 2006


 
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