Debating The John F. Kennedy Assassination (Part 17)
David Von Pein
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SUBJECT -- The JFK Assassination: The Ongoing "Lone Assassin vs.
Conspiracy" Debate.
FEATURED TEXT -- Archived JFK Forum Messages From November 2004,
October 2005, November 2005, January 2006, March 2006, and December
2006.
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CTer (A CONSPIRACY THEORIST) -- The only truly peculiar part of
Oswald's performance is that he got better with each shot, which is
rather unusual.
DVP (DAVID VON PEIN) -- It might be deemed "unusual" by some people.
But just consider the "timing" of the shots, and the time he had
between each to find the target {JFK} and re-aim.....
Shot #1.) Z160 (approx.).
Shot #2.) Z224 (which was 3.50 seconds after shot 1).
Shot #3.) Z313 (which was 4.86 seconds after shot 2).
Therefore, Oswald had very nearly five full seconds to re-aim and
shoot for his third (and what turned out to be best) shot. From that
perspective of having more time between shots 2 and 3 than he did
between shots 1 and 2, I think it's logical to think that his last
shot just might, indeed, be the best-aimed and, therefore, most
accurate.*
* = The first (missed) shot notwithstanding in the "best aimed"
department, since that shot most certainly missed everyone in the
President's vehicle, probably due to that first bullet striking a tree
limb; so we'll never know whether Oswald's "aim" for Shot #1 was honed
in perfectly on JFK's head or not. Logically, though, I'd have to
think it was.
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DVP (November 8, 2004) -- Author/Lawyer Vincent Bugliosi knows full
well what he would need to do to convict Oswald as a lone killer. He
knows better than most of us. The expertise of an attorney like Mr.
Bugliosi comes into play here, big time, IMO. For who knows better
than Charles Manson's prosecutor the official definition of "Beyond A
Reasonable Doubt"?
Which is a big reason why I, for one, have no qualms about praising
the contents of Mr. Bugliosi's yet-to-be-seen lone-assassin JFK tome
without reservation (even before one page is dissected).
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cfb02505fe1534df
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/b3a8181c73cfa095
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CTer -- Think "General Walker".
DVP -- I just love it when conspiracists try to use the "Oswald Missed
General Walker, Therefore He MUST Have Missed JFK Too" brand of
argument (and backward logic).
It's also interesting to note, too, that many of the CTers who argue
about the Walker vs. JFK shooting performances don't even think Oswald
shot at Walker AT ALL!
It was yet another case, per the theorists, of Oswald's rifle being
stolen out from under his very nose by evil conspirators, with
SOMEBODY ELSE using it to "Frame" poor old Patsy Oswald.
Holy Mackerel, that guy evidently was framed more often than the Mona
Lisa!.....
1.) For the Walker attempt, HE WAS FRAMED.
2.) For the JFK killing, HE WAS FRAMED.
3.) For the J.D. Tippit murder, HE WAS FRAMED.
I would have advised Lee to sell off that Mannlicher-Carcano rifle --
it's brought him nothing but grief and a whole slew of Patsy-Framers.
Poor guy. He never even gets a chance to use his own rifle; it's too
busy being stolen out from under him and used by conspirators. A pity.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/42faee01d94a58d5
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CTer -- Even if we trust the accuracy of the earwitnesses, they cannot
account for shots that were fired from silenced weapons.
DVP -- You're shooting yourself in your pro-CT foot with such a silly
argument. (That is, if you want to accept as "correct" the earwitness
testimony of ANY of your "frontal shot" witnesses.)
Because WHY in the heck would only SOME of the non-TSBD shots be
"silenced", while others from the Knoll were perfectly audible (per
CTer accounts)? Makes no sense.
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CTer -- They {the Secret Service} would have never allowed open
windows {along the motorcade route}.
DVP -- This is just plain silly. There's no possible way that the
authorities could have policed the hundreds of potential "sniper's"
windows throughout a lengthy drive through a large city like Dallas,
Texas.
If you got this crazy idea from Colonel Prouty, it's even more
laughable, because Prouty (via one JFK documentary I have on video)
asserts that at the very moment an upper-story window would have been
opened, a Secret Service man would have INSTANTLY been "inside the
room and that window would have been closed".
But that's just nonsense. First of all, it would be too late to do
anything about such an open window on, say, the sixth floor of the
Depository, if the open window wasn't noticed (or even opened at all)
until the motorcade came within firing range.
And, secondly, the Secret Service would need about 3,000 agents in
total to guard every window on a motorcade drive through downtown
Dallas and vicinity. And, they'd all have to be rocket-fast too, in
order to dash up six flights, wrestle the rifle away from the killer,
and thusly save the President, all in a matter of seconds after
initially identifying the assassin.
There might very well be something in the official U.S. Secret Service
security manual about "No Open Windows Allowed Along The Route Of The
President's Travels". I really have no idea. But even if such a SS
regulation is on the books, it's not a doable or realistic regulation
to enforce. Couldn't be done on their best day and with a team
comprised of thousands of men (each with a red cape and a big "S"
printed on his chest).
By the way, films reveal that not only were many people hanging out of
upper-story windows along the JFK parade route on 11/22/63, but
several people were watching the parade from atop street signs and
lamp posts as well. Why weren't these people briskly taken back down
to street level by the SS prior to the President's arrival?
Again, it's another impossible-to-control situation re. people "high
above" a passing President. The only way to control such activity by
thousands of people is for the President to lock himself in a closet
and simply never travel through a city in an open convertible.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fbacd51dfe2f074c
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CTer -- You cannot name one single witness who correctly stated the
source and number of all shots. 216 witnesses were absolutely wrong,
to a greater or lesser degree, and nobody was exactly right. Wow.
DVP -- But what's even more jaw-dropping on the "Wow!" scale is the
fact (per CTer beliefs) that 95%+ of all of the Dealey Plaza witnesses
were dead wrong when it came to establishing the total number of
DIRECTIONS the gunshots came from.
More than 95% of the witnesses in a poll done by John McAdams (taking
into account so-called "CT" and "LN" witnesses alike) heard shots from
just a SINGLE location, instead of multiple locations in Dallas'
Dealey Plaza on November 22nd, 1963.
That's a staggeringly-incorrect figure IF, indeed, multiple guns were
popping away from opposite ends of Dealey Plaza.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/shots.htm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/addeb5d529d1fb03
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DVP -- NONE of the autopsy doctors (in any of their official
testimony) have ever placed the large JFK head (exit) wound anywhere
except on the RIGHT-FRONT-TOP area of the head. Never the "rear" or
"back".
CTer -- This is simply a lie, and Davey-boy is certainly well aware of
that fact.
DVP -- OK, let's have a look then.....
WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY (1964):
DR. HUMES -- "The greatest loss of brain substance was particularly in
the parietal lobe, which is the major portion of the right cerebral
hemisphere. .... We reached the conclusion that this missile was fired
toward the President from a point above and behind him."
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DR. FINCK -- "President Kennedy was, in my opinion, shot from the
rear. The bullet entered in the back of the head and went out on the
right side of his skull, producing a large wound, the greatest
dimension of which was approximately 13 centimeters."
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MR. SPECTER -- "Do you have anything that you would like to add by way
of elaboration or modification to that which Dr. Humes has testified?"
DR. BOSWELL -- "None. I believe Dr. Humes has stated essentially what
is the culmination of our examination and our subsequent conference,
and everything is exactly as we had determined our conclusions."
MR. SPECTER -- "And specifically as to the points of entry and points
of exit which have been testified to by Dr. Humes, do his views
express yours as well?"
DR. BOSWELL -- "They do, yes."
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HSCA TESTIMONY (1978):
MR. CORNWELL -- "Your autopsy report reflected that there was one and
only one bullet wound to the back of the President s head, that it did
enter in the rear, exited the front. Is that report accurate on those
three points, to the best of your knowledge?"
DR. HUMES -- "Absolutely."
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DR. FINCK -- "I think that there were only two wound tracks: one in
the back and one exit and the front of the throat. That is wound track
number one. And the second wound track was an entry in the back of the
head with a large exit on the top and right side of the head. Although
there had been rumors that shots came from the front, I did not see
any evidence on the dead body of President Kennedy of wounds of entry
in the front portions of the cadaver."
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ARRB TESTIMONY (1996):
QUESTION -- "Where, as best you recall, the lacerations were on just
the scalp."
DR. HUMES -- "They went in every direction. I think I described them
as stellate. So they went down this way and back, and the whole area
was lacerated."
QUESTION -- "For the scalp?"
DR. HUMES -- "Yes."
QUESTION -- "In towards the back of the head, so in the occipital..."
DR. HUMES -- "Not really. Not really. The parietal region primarily.
Parietal and to some extent occipital, but primarily parietal."
QUESTION -- "Okay. Just for any scalp lacerations, were there any
tears over the occipital bone?"
DR. HUMES -- "No. No."
QUESTION -- "None whatsoever?"
DR. HUMES -- "No."
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DR. BOSWELL -- "And then the top of his head was blown off. A 14-
centimeter segment of it was blown off. And it was on the right side
of his brain that the brain was missing. .... The right hemisphere of
the brain is just so torn up, and there's no way of determining a
track. But we did have a good wound of entrance, and then we have
metallic fragments, I believe around the right orbit. So that gives
some sense of direction as far as the shooter."
QUESTION -- "By examining the brain by itself, are you able to
determine to a reasonable degree of medical certainty whether there
was one or more than one bullet wound to the head? Again, just by
examination of the brain."
DR. BOSWELL -- "The only clue, I think, is the fact that the scalp is
reasonably well intact, and we only have one wound of entrance on the
scalp. And by the same token, we only have one wound of exit. It's
huge, now, if he was shot with this one from behind first and then
shot secondly in the same place with a second one, that would be
impossible to tell. But then you would have to have another wound of
exit someplace, which you don't have."
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THE CLAY SHAW TRIAL (1969):
DR. FINCK -- "I have a firm opinion that the bullet entered in the
back of the head and exited on the right side of the top of the head,
producing a very large wound."
QUESTION -- "Doctor, did you find any evidence which would indicate
that the President was hit by more than one shot in the head?"
DR. FINCK -- "No."
QUESTION -- "Doctor, as a result of your examination of the head of
the late President, what, if you have one, is your opinion as to the
direction from which the bullet which inflicted the head wound came?"
DR. FINCK -- "The bullet definitely struck in the back of the head,
disintegrated, which is often the case when such a bullet at high
velocity goes through bone, producing numerous fragments, many of them
seen on X-ray of the head, and of the bony portion of the exit, and
also recovered by us, we found fragments in the brain of the
President, and that projectile produced that wound of exit on the
right side and top of the head."
QUESTION -- "Doctor, having examined the entire body of the late
President Kennedy, did you detect other than the two wounds which you
have described to me any other wounds on the body of the late
President?"
DR. FINCK -- "I did not, no other bullet wounds."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/42a0bbac40f320f5