Let's review the LN side, shall we ?
Gil Jesus
following:
That J.Edgar Hoover was a man of impeccable character.
That ALL law enforcement officers are honest and don't lie. They don't
manufacture evidence nor do they try to frame suspects in crimes and
especially in the South in the 1960's.
The House Select Committee on Assassinations never existed.
Having established the above, you need to go to the next step:
All of the witnesses in Dealey PLaza who saw the back of the
President's head blow off were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw smoke on the knoll were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw the President hit in the temple were
wrong.
All of the medical witnesses who saw an entry wound in the throat were
wrong.
All of the medical witnesses who saw the large exit wound in the right
rear of the skull were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw a hole in the windshield were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw a rifle other than a Mannlicher-Carcano
in the TSBD were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw .38 auto shells at the Tippit murder
scene were wrong.
All of the witnesses who described a man in the window who was not
Oswald were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw Oswald enter the building that morning
but didn't see a package were wrong.
All of the witnesses who heard more than three shots were wrong.
All of the witnesses whose source of the shots was a location that was
not the TSBD were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital were
wrong.
All of the witnesses who said that Oswald and Ruby knew each other
were wrong,
All of the witnesses who saw Oswald in Banister's offfice were wrong.
All of the witnesses who saw Oswald and Banister together were wrong.
All of the witnesses who said Oswald and Ferrie knew each other were
wrong.
All of the witnesses who said that they saw autopsy photos that showed
a small hole in the front of the skull and a large hole in the rear of
the skull were wrong.
The first question is how many witnesses were wrong ?
The second is, how many witnesses described the shooting in the exact
way that the Warren Commission did ?
David Von Pein
Why would he have to be of "impeccable" character? Wouldn't merely
believing he was not trying to "FRAME A LONE PATSY" suffice for the LN
side of the debate?
And I still want to know why HOOVER (of ALL people) would have had ANY
desire to want to start fiddling with evidence in order to frame
(falsely!) the man named Oswald whom Hoover's FBI should have had a
better eye on in Nov. '63?
That one's a head-scratcher from where I'm sitting.
>>> "That ALL law enforcement officers are honest and don't lie...." <<<
Another severe overstatement by The Jesus-man. <sigh>
>>> "The House Select Committee on Assassinations never existed." <<<
And another silly overstatement. Sure, the LN side needs to discount
the silly acoustical "evidence" provided at the last minute by the
HSCA. But, then too, that evidence SHOULD be discounted. Why? Because
it's crap. Next?....
>>> "All of the witnesses in Dealey PLaza who saw the back of the President's head blow off were wrong." <<<
Name all of the witnesses IN DEALEY PLAZA who said they definitely saw
the "back" of JFK's head "blow off". Offhand, I can think of this many
who said that in 1963-1964 --- Zero.
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw smoke on the knoll were wrong." <<<
And CTers should then wonder WHY many, many MORE people didn't see
this supposedly-conspiracy-proving "smoke".
And CTers can also ask: How could a passenger riding at the REAR of
the motorcade (in a press bus) still see that same "gunsmoke" when the
busses passed through DP?
That was some thick and long-lasting gunsmoke those shooters used,
huh?
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw the President hit in the temple were wrong." <<<
Name all of the witnesses who (in '63) said they thought the ENTRY
wound in JFK's head was "in the temple"? Offhand, I can think of one
-- Bill Newman (per his WFAA-TV interview on 11/22). Bill, of course,
was merely talking about where he saw the massive amounts of blood &
brain on the head of JFK. He couldn't POSSIBLY have known, from his
position on Elm, exactly WHERE the small entry hole was located on
Kennedy's head.
>>> "All of the medical witnesses who saw an entry wound in the throat were wrong." <<<
<sigh> This shit again, huh? <sigh>
They were wrong. Without question.
"Common sense tells us that seeing only the wound to the front of the
president's neck {and not seeing the corresponding entry wound in
Kennedy's back at any time}, the Parkland doctors would instinctively
have been more inclined to think of it as an entrance wound. Almost
anyone would be so predisposed." -- Vince Bugliosi; Page 414 of
"RH" (c.2007)
>>> "All of the medical witnesses who saw the large exit wound in the right rear of the skull were wrong." <<<
Incredible as it seems....yes, they were wrong. .....
"Dr. Michael Baden has what I {VB} believe to be the answer, one whose
logic is solid. [Quoting Baden] "The head exit wound was not in the
parietal-occipital area, as the Parkland doctors said. They were
wrong," {Baden} told me. "Since the thick growth of hair on Kennedy's
head hadn't been shaved at Parkland, there's no way for the doctors to
have seen the margins of the wound in the skin of the scalp. All they
saw was blood and brain tissue adhering to the hair. And that may have
been mostly in the occipital area because he was lying on his back and
gravity would push his hair, blood, and brain tissue backward, so many
of them probably assumed the exit wound was in the back of the
head" [End Baden quote]." -- Vince Bugliosi; Pages 407-408 of "RH"
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw a hole in the windshield were wrong." <<<
<sigh> This shit again, huh? <sigh>
Yes, they were wrong. ......
ROBERT A. FRAZIER - The windshield is composed of two layers with a
very thin layer of plastic in between which bonds them together in the
form of safety glass. The inside layer of the glass was not broken,
but the outside layer immediately on the outside of the lead residue
had a very small pattern of cracks and there was a very minute
particle of glass missing from the outside surface. ....
ARLEN SPECTER - What do those characteristics indicate as to which
side of the windshield was struck?
FRAZIER - It indicates that it could only have been struck on the
inside surface. It could not have been struck on the outside surface
because of the manner in which the glass broke and further because of
the lead residue on the inside surface.
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw a rifle other than a Mannlicher-Carcano in the TSBD were wrong." <<<
<even larger sigh>
This shit again, too, huh? Why, of course...a new day has
dawned....therefore the "Mauser" is back in the Depository again,
right Mr. Kook? You kooks are pathetic. ......
SEYMOUR WEITZMAN -- "Mr. Boone was climbing on top and I was down on
my knees looking. And I moved a box and he moved a carton, and there
it was. And he, in turn, hollered we had found the rifle."
EDDIE BARKER (CBS NEWS) -- "What kind of gun did you think it was?"
WEITZMAN -- "To my sorrow, I looked at it and it looked like a Mauser,
which I said it was. But I said the wrong one; because just at a
glance, I saw the Mauser action....and, I don't know, it just came out
as words it was a German Mauser. Which it wasn't. It's an Italian type
gun. But from a glance, it's hard to describe; and that's all I saw,
was at a glance. I was mistaken. And it was proven that my statement
was a mistake; but it was an honest mistake."
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw .38 auto shells at the Tippit murder scene were wrong." <<<
Nobody saw automatic shells at the Tippit scene, you kook. You can't
cite one person who SAW .38 auto shells at the scene, because ONLY
Oswald's shells were found at the scene and placed into evidence.
The discrepancy about the "automatic" has been thoroughly explained
via Gerald Hill's testimony and from the testimony of Ted Callaway.
>>> "All of the witnesses who described a man in the window who was not Oswald were wrong." <<<
Nobody saw a man in the 6th-Floor SN window who was not consistent
with Lee Oswald. (In case you want to prop up Amos Euins here....Euins
said in his written statement that the man in the window was "white",
not black. And he told the WC that he couldn't tell whether the
assassin was white or black.)......
ARLEN SPECTER. Could you tell whether he was a Negro gentleman or a
white man?
AMOS L. EUINS. No, sir.
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw Oswald enter the building that morning but didn't see a package were wrong." <<<
<LOL time>
Gil's arguments are getting thinner than thin now. Because (at last
count) there are just TWO total people who qualify under that "Saw LHO
Enter" banner -- Buell Frazier and Jack Dougherty.
So, it's a perfectly-even 50-50 stalemate in this regard. Frazier
definitely stated that Oswald "still had the package" as he entered
the building on Nov. 22. Whereas Dougherty (who had no reason under
the moon to remember such an innocuous event at all) said he didn't
recall seeing anything in Oswald's hands as he came in.
>>> "All of the witnesses who heard more than three shots were wrong." <<<
Yes, they most certainly were. But this is another very weak argument
for Gil's pro-CT side, because the total number of "More Than Three
Shots" witnesses is incredibly small....less than 9% of all Dealey
Plaza witnesses. Not a very healthy percentile to base your multi-
shooter conspiracy on......
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/shots3.jpg
>>> "All of the witnesses whose source of the shots was a location that was not the TSBD were wrong." <<<
Yes. They were wrong too. And the sum total of evidence indicates that
fact. (But the words "Sum Total" aren't in a CT-Kook's vocab.,
unfortunately.)
A mere 4.8% of the witnesses heard shots from more than a single
location. Again, not exactly a winning percentage for you kooks......
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/shots4.jpg
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital were wrong." <<<
Who else besides Seth Kantor claims to have seen Ruby there? You
surely aren't putting a lot of stock in Wilma "RUBY WAS AT PARKLAND TO
GIVE CONNALLY A KIDNEY" Tice, are you?
Anyway, this issue is a moot one. I think Ruby could have been at
Parkland on Friday. It fits Ruby's profile perfectly of wanting to go
where the action was.
>>> "All of the witnesses who said that Oswald and Ruby knew each other were wrong." <<<
I can think of zero credible witnesses in this category. Naturally,
with the day being new, this crap must find its way back to the top of
the list of CT Myths once more.
<sigh time>
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw Oswald in Banister's office were wrong." <<<
And that's why the HSCA said they culd find ZERO people who could
place Oswald anywhere near Banister's office. Right, kook? The HSCA is
right about the acoustics....but boobs re. this Banister/Oswald
connection, right?
>>> "All of the witnesses who saw Oswald and Banister together were wrong." <<<
See above.
>>> "All of the witnesses who said Oswald and Ferrie knew each other were wrong." <<<
THe CAP photo exists, true. So maybe Oz and Mr. Eyebrows knew each
other via a "CAP" connection in 1955 (when Oswald was 15 or 16 years
old!). If that makes you want to think they "worked" together to rub
out JFK eight years later....knock yourself out. (Hopefully you will
knock yourself cold; then we won't have to endure these half-baked,
already-debunked-a-million-times lists you like to compile weekly.)
>>> "All of the witnesses who said that they saw autopsy photos that showed a small hole in the front of the skull and a large hole in the rear of the skull were wrong." <<<
Nobody saw any such photographs....because no such photographs exist,
or ever did exist.
>>> "The first question is how many witnesses were wrong?" <<<
And let me ask you a question for a change, Mr. Kook ---- How many
Dealey witnesses do YOU think got everything just exactly RIGHT (i.e.,
number of shots and timing and ALL locations you think shots came
from)?
If you can name just ONE witness who meets all of those "CT"
requirements to your kook satisfaction, I'd love to know who that
amazing witness was.
>>> "The second is, how many witnesses described the shooting in the exact way that the Warren Commission did?" <<<
The majority of witnesses favor the WC scenario than they do any CT
variation, that's for darn sure. (Esp. if you in bed with Garrison,
Groden, or Stone.)
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FINAL DVP SALVO:
In order for the conspiracy kooks to believe Lee Harvey Oswald was
innocent, you kooks have to believe that EVERY official investigation
that examined (in detail) the JFK & Tippit murder cases were 100%
wrong when they ALL said this:
LEE HARVEY OSWALD WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO FIRED GUNSHOTS ON 11/22/63
THAT STRUCK ANY OF THE VICTIMS ON ELM STREET.
IOW -- To be a conspiracy-loving nut who believes (as many do) that
LHO was just a totally-innocent patsy, you've got to believe in
massive amounts of stupid, unreasonable bullshit of the first order.
Bud
Gil Jesus wrote:
> In order to support the LN side of the debate, you need to believe the
> following:
All CT are kooks. Thats all.
> That J.Edgar Hoover was a man of impeccable character.
Because a political malcontent like Oz could not shoot a political
figure unless Hoover has an impeccable character? Keep display that
sharp intellect, Gil.
> That ALL law enforcement officers are honest and don't lie. They don't
> manufacture evidence nor do they try to frame suspects in crimes and
> especially in the South in the 1960's.
Then you also believe that if one black man steals, all black men
are thieves?
> The House Select Committee on Assassinations never existed.
It existed, and found that Oz fired all the shots that hit the
occupants of the limo. Why has this conclusion failed to sway the
kooks?
> Having established the above, you need to go to the next step:
I need to prove the stupidity of everything that pops into your
tequila-soaked noggin? Can`t I just ridicule you instead?
> All of the witnesses in Dealey PLaza who saw the back of the
> President's head blow off were wrong.
Quote one of the dozens of witnesses who saw JFK shot saying they
saw the back of JFK`s head blow out.
> All of the witnesses who saw smoke on the knoll were wrong.
Did they all say the same thing, place it in the same spot at the
same time?
> All of the witnesses who saw the President hit in the temple were
> wrong.
He was shot in the street, not in a temple.
> All of the medical witnesses who saw an entry wound in the throat were
> wrong.
Didn`t many admit this?
> All of the medical witnesses who saw the large exit wound in the right
> rear of the skull were wrong.
Who called it a large exit wound?
> All of the witnesses who saw a hole in the windshield were wrong.
As were all the witnesses who said there was a dog in the limo.
> All of the witnesses who saw a rifle other than a Mannlicher-Carcano
> in the TSBD were wrong.
Isn`t that what they said?
> All of the witnesses who saw .38 auto shells at the Tippit murder
> scene were wrong.
Who saw automatic shells? One cop reported them, but did he see
any?
> All of the witnesses who described a man in the window who was not
> Oswald were wrong.
Which witnesses said it wasn`t Oswald they saw? One said he was
sure it was.
> All of the witnesses who saw Oswald enter the building that morning
> but didn't see a package were wrong.
So, you are calling Wesley Buell Frazier a liar when he says Oz did
just that? Doughtery was the only person who saw Oz come in, said he
caught him out of the corner of his eye, and was some distance across
a cluttered room away from where Oz came in.
> All of the witnesses who heard more than three shots were wrong.
You think that it`s the majority that reports three shots that is
wrong?
> All of the witnesses whose source of the shots was a location that was
> not the TSBD were wrong.
No matter where the shots came from, a lot of people were mistaken
about the location the shots originated from. But, the witnesses are
in near unanimous agremment that there was a single direction/location
origin of the shots.
> All of the witnesses who saw Jack Ruby at Parkland Hospital were
> wrong.
All the witness who place Ruby elsewhere are lying?
> All of the witnesses who said that Oswald and Ruby knew each other
> were wrong,
No, of course such extraordinary occurances should be believed just
because someone say so. After all, it`s unheard of for there to be
false sightings in famous cases.
> All of the witnesses who saw Oswald in Banister's offfice were wrong.
See above.
> All of the witnesses who saw Oswald and Banister together were wrong.
See above.
> All of the witnesses who said Oswald and Ferrie knew each other were
> wrong.
So what if they knew each other?
> All of the witnesses who said that they saw autopsy photos that showed
> a small hole in the front of the skull and a large hole in the rear of
> the skull were wrong.
Quote someone from Parkland who treated JFK that says JFK had a
small bullet hole in the front of his head.
.
> The first question is how many witnesses were wrong ?
What attempts have kooks made to determine what the norm is
regarding information supplied by witnesses? What is the reality when
it comes to witnesses supplied information, is it reliable? For
instance, James Altgens told the WC that JFK had "no blood on his
forehead or face". Charles Brehm told the FBI that he knew the
President had been shot by the blood on his face. Since the kooks
insist whatever the witnesses relate is accurate, the only conclusion
left is that there were two Kennedy`s shot, one bloody faced, and one
not.
> The second is, how many witnesses described the shooting in the exact
> way that the Warren Commission did ?
What two witnesses describe the shooting the same as any other
witness? You had Jarman, Norman and Norman all with the same view
looking at the same things, why aren`t all their accounts identicle?
What two witnesses describe the wound on the back of Kennedy`s
head exactly the same?
justm...@gmail.com
It looks like Jesus is trying the dwarfs approach now. Good answers
David and Bud. Jesus went thru his list of videos and pulled
questions from them ...just more of his misleading lies. Whenever a
question is answered with a logical answer, or there is proof for the
answer the CT's make a 360 degree turn in the opposite direction. They
refuse to use logic, refuse to believe ballistic and scientific
evidence and base 90% of their theories on eye/ear witness testimony.
No wonder 44 years have passed and their still at square 1.
Apparently they like trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
Isn't that one of the tests for retardation? I rest my case (Healy
moment) ROFLMAO.
tomnln
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> Isn't that one of the tests for retardation? I rest my case (Healy
> moment) ROFLMAO.
Which case do you have THIS Time?
Syphilis or, Gonorrhea?
You're better off getting beat with evidence/testimony.
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/mexcity.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/Walker.htm
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
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Two great posts in a row.
MR ;^D