Why Psychopaths Must Be Fought

[Mark S Bilk]

On May 21, 2:17 pm, 7
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Mark S Bilk wrote:
> >> > Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
> >> >> I've tried ignoring him and he didn't stop.
>
> >> Just KF the POS. There's no reason for anyone to care
> >> what that thing posts. Everyone here knows that it's a
> >> pathological liar whose words mean nothing.
>
> >> >> Since he won't stop,
>
> >> You "teach" it what to post, by rewarding those posts with
> >> responses.
>
> > Chris, I wish that were true.
>
> It is true - where to now - feed trolls harder?

The term "feeding" can mean different types of responses:

1. One can refute the psychopath's lies.

2. One can tell the psychopath that it is evil and
it is DEFINITELY NOT WANTED IN THIS FORUM.

Maybe type 1 response doesn't work. Psychopaths don't
care about the truth. Since they so readily lie to
support their agenda, whatever that is, truth may have
as little meaning to them internally, as it does when
they communicate externally in a spew of lies. Snit
ignores all refutations of his lies.

But the second type of response may work. Observe Snit's
negative response to the posting of the list of 160+
comments telling him he is evil, and to go away and never
come back. He doesn't like that. Now what if a lot of
people in present time tell him he's being evil and to
stop, or to go away and not come back. He is sensitive
to the reception he's getting.

Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on
psychopaths recommend to ignore them and they will go away.
As Stefan Verstappen says, ignoring them is how they take
control of our political, financial, corporate, and media
systems, and destroy civilization.

Psychopathy in Politics and Finance
Stefan Verstappen
http://www.globalresearch.ca/psychopathy-in-politics-and-finance/5334161
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eKqs7GJ0jdY

_The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler, is a book that
everyone should read, because it tells the true history of
humankind as revealed by unbiased archeology.

Prior to about 5,000 years ago, almost all human cultures
were peaceful, cooperative, non-dominating, non-exploitive.
That's natural, because it's obviously the way for everyone
to thrive and live successfully.

But about 5,000 years ago, some cultures developed organized
psychopathy -- a few psychopaths ruling over everyone else,
mass robbery, mass murder. It may have been due to some
global stress conditions -- perhaps the Sun getting hotter
for a while and killing the crops. The Greeks, Romans, Jews,
and various other groups developed this type of culture,
which Eisler (and Marija Gimbutas, the archeologist on whose
work her book is based) call "The Dominator Paradigm".

The Dominator cultures attacked the previous, peaceful,
"Partnership" cultures. The partnership people were robbed
and enslaved or simply murdered by the organized psychopaths
and their soldiers.

The Partnership people had better technology than the
Dominators, but not in the area of mass murder -- "war".
They tried to reason with the Dominators, and befriend them.
It didn't work. The Dominators murdered them. The last
Partnership culture was the Minoans on the island of Crete.
They were murdered about 3500 years ago.

This mass murder of healthy, happy Partnership cultures
by organized psychopaths is the most important event
in human history. It's why hundreds of millions of
people have subsequently been murdered in "wars", and
why humanity now stands on the verge of extinction by
nuclear or biological "war". ("war" is a propaganda
word for mass murder by organized psychopaths.)

It shows that ignoring psychopaths is fatal -- they take
control and they rule, destroy, and murder.

The psychopathic Zionists cut down the life-sustaining olive
and fig trees of the Palestinians. They have no reason to.
They just want to break the Palestinians' hearts, to destroy
their lives.

Psychopaths hate all life, all living things, all people
(except other psychopaths). As children, psychopaths
frequently torture and kill small animals.

All the researchers of psychopathy say the same thing:
Psychopaths must not be ignored. They must be exposed and
fought. Otherwise they will take control and will rule,
and they will destroy whatever area they rule over.

So I ask your help in actively fighting the extremely vicious
psychopath Snit Michael Glasser.

Don't just ignore him, or he will post without limit and
wreck COLA as he wrecked CSMA.

Face reality, don't pretend that it doesn't exist. Please
tell Snit every time he posts his lies and hate that he's
doing evil and is not welcome here.

[Snit]

On 5/21/13 8:21 PM, in article
d52428fc-c5a5-42b3...@ua8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com, "Mark S
Bilk" <ma...@cosmicpenguin.com> wrote:

Why Psychopaths Must Be Fought!

Remember, you are a self-described psychopath... so you are saying people
"must" fight you. This, perhaps, explains why you think your parents fought
you and your teachers and your school principal... why all the camp staff
fought you simply because you had a reaction to food... why you think
Microsoft fights you and why you think the government might even kill you.
And, of course, why you imagine I started some fight with you.

Your persecution complex is now more clear - you think people have no
choice... they *must* fight you.

But this is not true. I, for example, want to see you get help. I do not
wish to fight you at all - I want you to get better. I want you to be
happier. I want you to learn to be honest. I think you can do these things.

You clearly do not believe this... but with help you might. I am sincere in
my offer to assist you in seeking help.

...

> The term "feeding" can mean different types of responses:
>
> 1. One can refute the psychopath's lies.

Oh, I do a form of that - but I give you a chance to explain yourself. You
rarely even try... you just run. Here is a list of comments and questions
and facts you run from: <http://bit.ly/Y741mf>.

But, still, given how you and I and all others who read your posts and mine
know you have no answer for that, you can consider that a full refutation of
your claims.

> 2. One can tell the psychopath that it is evil and
> it is DEFINITELY NOT WANTED IN THIS FORUM.

I would not say that to you. Instead I encourage you to get help. And you
should. I even offer to help you. I would not sink to your level.

> Maybe type 1 response doesn't work.

I think it has: even though you will never publicly admit to it, the fact
you claim my simple questions and statements of non-offensive facts are
"attacks" against you shows you have made progress in seeing that your
claims are not true. I do believe you once actually believed your fictions.
Now you do not.

You also decided to throw Carroll under the bus and share the fact he has
admitted to you in private what, as far as I know, he has *always* denied in
public. This was an interesting choice of yours and, assuming it was not
accidental, it shows you are developing some level of morality, even if only
slight. I commend you for this.

> Psychopaths don't care about the truth.

But you do care about trying to convince people of your lies... and now it
is clear, even to you, that you cannot do that - or at least often fail.
This is a learning experience for you. Still, it is not the deep level of
help that you need. You should seek professional assistance - and I will
help you get it if you want.

> Since they so readily lie to support their agenda, whatever that is, truth may
> have as little meaning to them internally, as it does when they communicate
> externally in a spew of lies.

Do you think you can improve and move past this? Clearly even you now
recognize it as a problem.

> Snit ignores all refutations of his lies.

See: an attack from you. The very thing you claim psychopaths do. The
reality, of course, is when I am shown to be wrong I admit to it. For
example, I confused your stories about two different videos, one of which
clearly does not exist. You corrected me on that (in a not-very-kind way,
but so be it) and I acknowledged it and apologized. Unlike you I openly
admit when I am shown to be wrong.

This is a big difference between us. You, for example, have been shown
enough evidence to know there is no reason to believe the video you once
claimed to believe in and said was shown in 1990 on PBS existed or was ever
shown. For crying out loud, it does not show up in the TV Guides of that
year! You know this! And yet you will not admit to your error.

I admit to my errors. You do not. You act like the "psychopaths" you speak
of. I do not.

Do you see the difference?

> But the second type of response may work. Observe Snit's negative response to
> the posting of the list of 160+ comments telling him he is evil, and to go
> away and never come back. He doesn't like that. Now what if a lot of people
> in present time tell him he's being evil and to stop, or to go away and not
> come back. He is sensitive to the reception he's getting.

I am not fond of you lying about me and pushing the BS you got from Carroll,
but I do not hold myself accountable for your actions or his. And it is not
really a big deal - so you are showing yourself in a bad light, using
obsessively collected and forged quotes going back to 2004 because you
cannot actually show me doing any significant wrong.

I feel bad for you that you feel this is morally correct... and it is
another reason you should seek help. Notice I do not repeatedly quote Peter
K. and DFS and flatfish and so many others that have noted your poor
behavior - I quote you directly. I prove my point with direct evidence...
not indirect claims from others.

You work to obfuscate truth. I look to shine a light on it.

You note I do not like this... sure, I wish you could rise to my level and
be honest. But you currently show no signs of being able to. I think that is
a shame.

> Evil need to be opposed.

No, I could just ignore you. So could others. I *choose* to respond to your
"evil" acts of mocking 9-11 victims and targeting people's personal and
professional lives.

I recognize choice in behavior. You think you and others are forced to do as
we each do. Another difference in our views on life.

> None of the researchers on psychopaths recommend to ignore them and they will
> go away. As Stefan Verstappen says, ignoring them is how they take control of
> our political, financial, corporate, and media systems, and destroy
> civilization.

Do you really think your mocking of 9-11 victims and other behavior you
describe as "psychopathic" will allow you to "take control of our political,
financial, corporate, and media systems, and destroy civilization"? If so
you may have a delusion of grandeur as well as the persecution complex you
demonstrate so often.

...

> This mass murder of healthy, happy Partnership cultures
> by organized psychopaths is the most important event
> in human history.

You have spoken of wanting to kill people. Do you wish to commit "mass
murder"?

> It's why hundreds of millions of people have subsequently been murdered in
> "wars", and why humanity now stands on the verge of extinction by nuclear or
> biological "war". ("war" is a propaganda word for mass murder by organized
> psychopaths.)

Do you hold yourself responsible for this?

> It shows that ignoring psychopaths is fatal -- they take control and they
> rule, destroy, and murder.

To ignore you is "fatal"... is this another threat from you?

...

> Psychopaths hate all life, all living things, all people (except other
> psychopaths). As children, psychopaths frequently torture and kill small
> animals.

Is that what you did? Was in in response to your feeling you were hated and
abused by your teachers and parents and school principal and summer camp
staff and so many others? Did you take out your frustration and anger on
small animals?

> All the researchers of psychopathy say the same thing: Psychopaths must not be
> ignored.

You are begging for attention. I do not sink to your level, though, which is
what you want - so it is not the type of attention you want.

> They must be exposed and fought. Otherwise they will take control
> and will rule, and they will destroy whatever area they rule over.

Your delusions of grandeur are showing again. You are not "ruling" over
anything. You have a meaningless website filled with fictional nonsense and
your bizarre and self-refuting claims are laughed at by pretty much
everyone.

> So I ask your help in actively fighting the extremely vicious psychopath Snit
> Michael Glasser.

Here you are attacking me, again... projecting your own problems on me... or
maybe blaming me for your actions.

> Don't just ignore him, or he will post without limit and wreck COLA as he
> wrecked CSMA.

This is right out of Carroll's handbook. Another "tell" of how you two
communicate outside of COLA. You have spoken of emailing him and talking to
him on his phone... though you claimed it was a "burner phone" you could not
call back. That was a very odd lie from you.

> Face reality, don't pretend that it doesn't exist. Please tell Snit every
> time he posts his lies and hate that he's doing evil and is not welcome here.

I am not the one posting hateful posts. That is you.

You are having a hard time telling your truths from your lies. On one hand
you make it very clear you believe you are a "psychopath"... on the other
you accuse me (and pretty much everyone else) of being like you. Then you
say psychopaths do not attack each other even as you attack me.

Do you see where your comments are not rational or reasonable? They are not
logical.

I am sincere in my offer to assist you in finding help. At this point even
you know you need it.



--
"It was probably the HEMI-DIMENSIONAL ALIENS that were following MJ-12
around and were attracted to the PROTATIONAL FIELD generated by your
spinning hard drive." - Mark S Bill

"Maybe I am that way because people kept telling me I was mentally ill. But
I never was. I just saw monsters. Them." - Mark S. Bilk

[Mark S Bilk]

On May 21, 2:17 pm, 7
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Mark S Bilk wrote:
> >> > Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
> >> >> I've tried ignoring him and he didn't stop.
>
> >> Just KF the POS. There's no reason for anyone to care
> >> what that thing posts. Everyone here knows that it's a
> >> pathological liar whose words mean nothing.
>
> >> >> Since he won't stop,
>
> >> You "teach" it what to post, by rewarding those posts with
> >> responses.
>
> > Chris, I wish that were true.
>
> It is true - where to now - feed trolls harder?

The term "feeding" can mean different types of responses:

1. One can refute the psychopath's lies.

2. One can tell the psychopath that it is evil and
it is DEFINITELY NOT WANTED IN THIS FORUM.

Maybe type 1 response doesn't work. Psychopaths don't
care about the truth. Since they so readily lie to

support their agenda, whatever that is, truth may have
as little meaning to them internally, as it does when

they communicate externally in a spew of lies. Snit

ignores all refutations of his lies.

But the second type of response may work. Observe Snit's
negative response to the posting of the list of 160+
comments telling him he is evil, and to go away and never
come back. He doesn't like that. Now what if a lot of
people in present time tell him he's being evil and to
stop, or to go away and not come back. He is sensitive
to the reception he's getting.

Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on

psychopaths recommend to ignore them and they will go away.
As Stefan Verstappen says, ignoring them is how they take
control of our political, financial, corporate, and media
systems, and destroy civilization.

This mass murder of healthy, happy Partnership cultures
by organized psychopaths is the most important event

in human history. It's why hundreds of millions of

people have subsequently been murdered in "wars", and
why humanity now stands on the verge of extinction by
nuclear or biological "war". ("war" is a propaganda
word for mass murder by organized psychopaths.)

It shows that ignoring psychopaths is fatal -- they take
control and they rule, destroy, and murder.

The psychopathic Zionists cut down the life-sustaining olive
and fig trees of the Palestinians. They have no reason to.
They just want to break the Palestinians' hearts, to destroy
their lives.

Psychopaths hate all life, all living things, all people
(except other psychopaths). As children, psychopaths
frequently torture and kill small animals.

All the researchers of psychopathy say the same thing:

Psychopaths must not be ignored. They must be exposed and

fought. Otherwise they will take control and will rule,
and they will destroy whatever area they rule over.

So I ask your help in actively fighting the extremely vicious
psychopath Snit Michael Glasser.

Don't just ignore him, or he will post without limit and
wreck COLA as he wrecked CSMA.

Face reality, don't pretend that it doesn't exist. Please
tell Snit every time he posts his lies and hate that he's
doing evil and is not welcome here.

--
160+ People Whose Usenet Experience Was Degraded By
Snit Michael Glasser - http://prescottcomputerguy.com/

From: Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com>
Wonder how many people want you to stop being a lying hypocrite
(who cries 'victim' every chance he gets)? Guess they'll all be
disappointed. Here are some of them now...

1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member
area and a login. If you forget your password, you can ask it
to e-mail it to you, and a bot will send an e-mail. *That*
is the e-mail Snit got from Sandman's website, and yes he's
that fucked in the head and starved for attention that he'd
claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So, don't get
sucked into his little circus. The e-mail, in this particular
instance, did probably originate from Sandman.net." 27 Feb 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dac74355552b4cc7

2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed*
by behaviour and not withstanding your occasional on topic
posts, I wish you'd leave too. Please note that despite the
amazing silliness that is Edwin, I have never made the same
wish of him." 27 Feb 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221

3- amicus_curious (COLA): "Where on earth do you get the
idea that I am arguing with you, little man? Is your name
"Hadron"? Shoo! Go back to your mail order business!"
29 May 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/00ee203fe6183b1b

4- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the
truth, you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep
disrupting the newsgroup." 27 Feb 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce

5- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers
to weasel out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole."
25 Jun 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da

6- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why
not just let them go away and show how responsible a member
of CSMA you are? You could show your enemies up by being
better than them, rise above the low level you so obviously
dislike. Anything, just stop...." 26 Apr 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5

7- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If
yes, then troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on
you set to expire, but it's fixed now." 13 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578

8- BaJoRi: "You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who
has read your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed
it to be wrong, then added even more, just to be a dick and
REALLY show you to be a fool. You need to judiciously snip
out pertinent points because you are an intellectually dwarfed
turd-burglar." 11 Nov 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f

9- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this
group can be if you kill file Snit. I have never understood
why more people don't do the same.." 5 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903

10- Bob B.: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all
group, but since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible
to have a decent discussion about anything. The solution is
to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for some reason, some people just
can't stop feeding him." 27 Dec 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190

11- bunny: Subject "snit makes me sad", Text "really actually
=3D:-( 9 Oct 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432

12- Brian: "LOL, Has anyone ever been more universally hated on
the USENET than Snit? Too bad he craves the hatred and negative
attention. We will read about him in the news some day soon
going on a shooting rampage. Somebody should get the pychopath
some help before he VT's a bunch of people. 29 May 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/66a89e4f5c89f489

13- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill, but you and
Steve don't help. You encourage him to post, which he doesn't
need to do. We would all be better off if you just ignore him.
17 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2ed879f256677548

14- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls'
... in the groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the
idiotrollers like snit would reply to this thread. Of course, I
didn't see his posts, only your reply". 07 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5ea48f7a84115fd1

15- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time
for you to learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of
course, that your Usenet browser has a kill-filter." 5 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9

16- cc (COLA): "You are incapable of letting anything go. In
fact, I guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3
hours. Hell, I'd be surprised if it takes longer than 30
minutes. If I really wanted to, I could make this little
side topic go on forever, because you are a complete moron
who just has to respond to anything written about or to you,
even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605

17- Chance Furlong: "HPT, Wally, Sandman, C Lund, Steve
Carroll and Tim Adams are not trolls and do not troll. You,
on the other hand, are a troll." 27 Aug 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/28c267f26965b43f

18- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "I try to go more by the contents
of the posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so
much chaff it is not worth the effort." 14 Feb 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5

Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "Actually, many of the advocates are
sick to death of Snit's never-ending puerile blather about
trivialities. The occasional reasonable conversations are
too few and far between." 6 Mar 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/811326833ba71864

19- Chris Clement: "ugh....geez man.....let it go" 5 Jul 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ed093996df6547b2

20- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him 'shit', and rightly so,
for they way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at
the bus depot, and simply refused to die, despite repeated
flushes. It's now far too late to *flush* him, but we can
still *plonk* him..." 12 Sep 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5

21- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for
you to "win" an argument? They don't like you, you don't
like them. Why must you keep this up? What results are you
expecting?"

22- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The
archives show my answers and your inability to process
them. Keep posting your list and proving that you are an idiot
troll. I will not address it any further- you being too stupid
to realize and accept that is not my problem". 22 Nov 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8

23- cshenk: "I happen to believe him over you... and I doubt
I'd be the only person in this ng to do so. You have given
people a lot of 'evidence' that you are dishonest... as
'evidenced' by the quotes list." .... "Why stop with
Jonas? Why not call the entire list of people on your quotes
list 'liars'? After all, they have all labeled you a liar,
troll or worse." 27 Nov 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/909a59de04850ef5

24- Dave Fritzinger: "[snip of stuff I really don't care
to read] Snit, please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do
something, but please, please, please, GO AWAY!!!!" 2 Jun 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290

25- Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux
advocates. Almost all of them are making similar claims about
Snit. When you have so many diverse people who share a common
perception where do you think the problem lies? With Snit? Or
almost everyone else? The answer doesn't require an advanced
degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b

26- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought
you knew what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it
was presented to you. I guess I had too much confidence in you."
30 Nov 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f

27- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar
and loser you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me
where i stop responding to your posts for stretches at a time,
then start up responding as if you were a normal person. i
suppose it's tough for the magnitude of your 'loserdom'
to stick, so it loses some of it's sharpness when i stop
responding to you. you almost always start responding back
in a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it's once
again that time. i can only ask that you pass my condolences
to your wife and unborn child for having to put up with such
a dishonest fool as yourself. (well, if your wife is a loser
as well, just pass those condolences to the rug-rat to be;
if not, double condolences to her)." 30 Apr 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77

28- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to
honest and honorable people apply to him. That is absurd.
He is the biggest liar in Usenet history. Mackay posted the
email to prove Snit was using sock puppets and he still is.
Snit can not give up his socks puppets and shills. They are
the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229

29- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're
the worst troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar
and a forger, and you've almost destroyed this group
single-handedly. For you to post a list of out of context
arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies labled
as a "peace effort" has to be one of the craziest stunts you've
pulled. It's all about your sick need for attention, your need
to be center stage at all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd
if you thought it would make people look at you." 18 May 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0

30- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric
help. Go see a doctor." 24 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15

31- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to
the points in my post and you are back to your repetitious
regurgitation mode. How childishly typical of you, Snit."
16 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5

32- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled
since the first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do
like Snit'. As far as I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist."
15 Aug 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0

33- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been
coming to CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among
people, besides the typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I
feel that it is like being in a room of really young children
trying there best to best the other person. The one common
thing among all of this seems to be you. I hate to be like
this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle of a
great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs
and more about "look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no
end then all this picking at each other on such a personal
level. CSMA has always been al little adversarial but you
have personally crank it up to the point that this place is
no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping CSMA and making
this place your own personal circus." 12 Jan 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6

34- Geezer: Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality"
Geezer: "Whined the guy who cannot directly address those
who uncover his lies and deceit;)" Snit: "and no clue about
the law." Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported
opinions are "proof". LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported
lies)' 1 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d

35- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): "The Prescott Computer Guy *still*
showing how stupid he is... What a mar00n". 30 Aug 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865

36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd

37- gimme_this_gimme_that: "Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?"
4 Mar 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794

38- Glenn Hall (COLA): "That person is like a constantly running
toilet that won't stop. Does he ever stop talking about UI
consistency? No matter what anyone replies, he adds a few more
branches to the spider web as it grows and grows. It's a waste
of time." 31 Oct 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c8dd8a244fe1eb2c

39- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone
else notices that you are not honest and you have no honor."
21 Jan 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91

40- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate
threads, are you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I
dont ever censor people cause that's just retarded but if you
dont fix it I'm gonna have to cause I dont wanna see your name
40 times in a row. So uh, change your client or something".
12 Sep 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499

41- Hadron (COLA): "Would you please stop the whining. FFS he
has you jumping to his every post. How many more fucking times
are you going to post the same repetitive garbage? Please ..at
least change the record sometimes!!!!!!!" 13 Aug 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1e0ecbb776623473

41- Hadron (COLA): "I'm not coming to the rescue of anyone. I
have Snit killfiled for his repeated reposts of the same text
time and time again." 24 Aug 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e99833d90612ee35

41- Hadron (COLA): Snit: "Anyone who denies this is a part of
the herd. Period. This is a simple black and white issue where
there is no middle ground - anyone who lies to defend Stallman's
repulsive support of child abuse *is* a part of the herd."
Hadron: "Constantly posting this dirge about Stallman and his
views is about to get you back in the killfile. Stop it. Its
repulsive and vindictive on your part." 25 Sep 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6be2e85c701763a7

42- Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must be a deeply
troubled individual who has a fragile ego. I needn't agree
nor disagree with the points above. I don't care about
them. Your constant complaints, whines, rages, etc., wars
with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as trolls,
arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must
orbit around you. People have pointed that out to you but you
don't accept that. Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and
see a doctor about your solipsism. There must be a cure for
you deep psychological travail." 18 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8

43- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*" Aug 19 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d8afd909a308b97f

44- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the
definition of "synonymous". It is, however, a very clear
example of how you attempt to maliciously debase against anyone
who disagrees with you. As such, I consider this to be a
purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me. This is your only
warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the reminder
that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the
word "responsible".' 25 Feb 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a

45- High Plains Thumper: "Agreed except for Snit and socks (Joe
Crump and ad nauseum). I've got Snit kill binned, because he
is the classic ad hominem troll. At first he seems reasonable,
but then it always degrades into name calling bullying, the
responder is a liar, etc. AKA the Snit Circus of Pathological
Lies. Perhaps the times he seems reasonable are when he is
properly controlled by medication." 21 Sep 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/249a598ec5aafe85

46- Homer (COLA): "I don't mean this as a personal insult,
but I'm perfectly serious when I say 'Snit' (Michael Glasser)
is obviously mentally ill, and needs help. I was going to
suggest that someone alerts his wife to the problem, but I
have to assume she's already aware of his condition, if she
is in fact still living with him. It's possible, I suppose,
that he's already undergoing counselling and/or on medication,
but if he is then it doesn't seem to be helping much. Maybe he
just missed his 'meds' today (again, I mean that sincerely)."
26 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8

Homer: "Word of advice for anyone concerned: don't be tempted
to get drawn into a Snit circus, it's literally a waste of
time. He's just an attention seeker who'll keep stringing you
along, in a never-ending circle of obtuse questions, for which
he has no genuine interest in the answers." 14 Oct 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0d06eb2e900e3058

47- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting
to CSMA for a long time now, since 1995 at least. There have
always been trolls and morons, but I've never seen anything
quite so disruptive as the Snit circus. Snit will *never*
back down or stop, and neither will most of his opponents.
A good kill file is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb

48- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable
to offer support for your statements, you're reduced to
personal attacks on me. Incidentally, anyone reading this
post can see that I have offered no straw men, and have only
asked you to explain how the things you state as facts can
be true. I'm really sorry that you're taking this attitude,
the topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have
some insights. I've snipped the rest, since you dislike long
posts and avoid answering any of the questions I asked by
saying everything was just repeated." 6 Dec 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6

49- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid
people on usenet that should be confined most likely. You
sit there and refresh your screen endlessly. You post the
same nonsense over and over. Either you're a super troll,
or you're a super mess." 1 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0

50- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit." 27 Feb 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cdddf5fd04d9afcb

51- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git."
23 Dec 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d

52- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not
a 12-step recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions
won't help me achieve a greater understanding of my Mac. In
fact, it detracts from it and those kinds of discussions have
no place in a newsgroup such as this." 18 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862

53- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you
accomplishing besides being annoying? Is that your goal?"
25 Apr 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243

54- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush
mentioned in it? You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on
topic and not hijack threads."

55- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're
involved in seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens
of responses to OT things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone
has to take the lead and stop this crap. Try. How about it?"
25 Apr 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b

56- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away,
rather than actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for
the course I suppose."

"Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce
evidence for his claims. At least come up with some
original insults Snit! I mean, you *are* capable of original
thoughts! Right? Snit?" 8 Feb 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44

57- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to
fall - in a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight,
yelling at passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'" 23 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7

58- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What
are you bitching about?" 1 Dec 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12ba528be5ad2665

59- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice-
more like a black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never
again even entertain an unkind thought re Apple, will you take
it back and lock it up? Please??" 11 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121

60- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's
postings since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to
filter his posts, I just consider the source and skip to the
next one when I see his name." 7 Jan 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2

61- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be
shocked that he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff
about being a computer repairman and teacher. He's just plain
loony and best ignored. Let him deal with his disorder by
medication. He's here to do one thing, get attention from
people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what
he's counting on, he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes
to get a rise out of people like you. Ignore him, you won't
regret it." 3 Apr 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314

John Slade: "Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without
adding drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage
to get out of my killfile? Oh well back into the cage you
go, PLONK." 13 Oct 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8

62- Josh McKee: "I have no strawman so therefore it has to be in
your mind. .... What is obnoxious are your posts." 26 Jul 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3665b9e002d27c44

63- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that
even though the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll
of the lot is mostly being ignored by readers on this bb. If
the few stragglers that keep replying to him would just stop
responding to Snit at all this place could be worth coming back
to. There's a good chance he'll pack up and take his trolling
to more fertile ground." 22 Oct 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4

64- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your
sentence with "Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.'
29 Oct 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8

65- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother
reading the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding
gobbets of putrid excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how
to support your position, instead of sticking your fingers in
your ears and humming, hoping it'll all go away." 7 Mar 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a

66- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for
ad hominem attacks while in the same sentence make your own
ad hominem attacks. You make silly claims and then avoid the
subject of your silliness. You're a liar and a hypocrite and
you always have been." 14 Jul 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee

67- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid." 7 Jan 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f

68- Lawrence D'Oliveiro (COLA): "You seem to be full of
complaints about your inability to hold up your end of the
argument, aren't you?" 6 Mar 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8ca5f48099696228

69- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long
time, but the few times you post something worth reading just
aren't worth it anymore. *plonk*" 16 Dec 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83

70- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact
you've been an annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out
with the pretense of trying to be fair, but lately all there
is from you in COLA is trashtalk about Linux and you acting
every bit the troll." 16 Jul 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f

71-libcrushersmith: "Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors
CBS News and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time
Snit is cornered, he changes the subject and will never admit
he's wrong." 28 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf

72- libsnightmare: "You're a sore loser who has resorted to
fifth grade tactics. How fucking sad - all this clown has left
is to edit posts and post fake bullshit. You can't debate... so
you lie. Once again, you have proved Steve Carroll right about
you. Sad..." 4 May 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e

73- Linonut (cola): "Snit may be the first retraction of my
general killfile amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining,
foot-stomping, back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance
generated by that effete candy-ass beggars belief". 30 Aug 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574

74- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most
cretinous, I would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)"
18 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6

75- Lewis: "hasn't this fight been going on for like 8 years
now? I don't think anything is ever going to fix snit."
02 Mar 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34

76- Lusotec (COLA): "You can't resist being a liar, it is
pathological, just like you can't resist trolling these forums
day after day, week after week, month after month, year after
year, decade after decade. A pathetic waste of life."
Jun 20 2012

https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b3d29c146414f077

77- Marious Barrier (COLA): "I must recognize that it is the
first time I see that kind of troll, once that start asking
moderately serious questions and since the first answer,
gradually starts to degenerate it by, in many failed attempts of
being sarcastic, inserting various indirect insults and calling
all people ignorant and unable to answer what he asks for."
14 Oct 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c6607ea64f436821

78- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser
is the same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest
now, it would be impossible to determine where the honesty
starts and the usual dishonesty ends. In my primary school,
one of the teachers was very keen on proverbs, and I recall her
going over the "cry wolf" story. Mr Glasser could "cry wolf"
over and over now, and I would not come to help him with his
sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if he's
ever telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has." 2 Dec 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3

79- Marti Van Lin (COLA): "I paid enough attention to Snit
IMHO. I killfiled him the very first month I started lurking
COLA. I find his nitpicking and immature behavior extremely
annoying. I am not going to torture myself reading his
bullshit. Snit is also a proven liar. Remember his retarded
exif debacle." 08 Jul 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d12622df3671359b

80- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it
to this post since its all about him and he managed to make me
think about him today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went
over to her house and videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute
toddler stuff then burned a DVD of it for her. While we were
watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got mad because we quit
making him the center of attention and made that kid on the tv
the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life."
30 Sep 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b

81- McGarnagle: "And you know when Snit is endorsed by two of
the biggest nutjobs in AGA - RichL and El Kabong - you know
he's not very bright and a loon." 31 Oct 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309

82- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone
refutes your 'facts', you run away and ignore them. Refuting
your 'facts' is easily done in this case. I did it, and you
ignored it." 9 Feb 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32

83- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All
I see you doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with
everyone. You're the TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not*
a compliment!" 8 Jul 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd

84- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying
here. Instead I can only say that you are a complete and
delusional kook that happens to inhabit CSMA for the time
being. That you are unaware of how deranged you actually behave
further reinforces this notion. Please seek professional help."

"The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot
made no threat to you before you went to the police. She
made a promise. Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out
paranoiac view point, Elizabot was suddenly "threatening"
to you. In so much as you had to take your kooky self down to
your local police shop and blub on their shoulders about how
much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I
bet they have Kook with a capital "K" written at the top of
your profile, Snit." 2 Sep 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40

85- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are
all rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely
curious. Treat him the same way, look but just keep moving on."
18 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07

86- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because
they are off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely
boring and clearly show that you are crying out for attention."
20 Sep 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80

87- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact
that your obsession with Sandman has actually grown since
you claimed to KF him. Killfilling someone generally implies
you're ignoring that person, yet you piggyback onto virtually
every reply to him here and and check his website's validation
status more often than most people check their e-mail. These are
not the actions of a mentally balanced individual." 19 Jan 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b

88- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any
pre-school or kindergarten and see if the kids there can't
teach you a thing or two about social behavior." 16 May 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4

89- Muahman: "Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit
retard circus!!! I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a
thread because that automatically means it's in the toilet."
8 Jul 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701

90- Mutley (AUK): "For the record ... I'll be done when I
decide that there's more shit on your face than there is on
the sole of my shoe." 01 Nov 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b

91- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't
convinced that snit is a total loser, and I rarely call
people losers, I certainly am now. Why bother responding to
his stupidities anyway?" 29 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508

92- nessuno (COLA): Chris Ahlstrom: "Have you ever noticed that
threads involving Snit, [...] are a basically a waste of time?
nessuno: "Yep. I don't read them." 29 May 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2f997598f0e25f9d

93- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got
a wry sense of humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way
you're just a waste of time, and you've done more than anybody
to make this group a cesspool. Then you revel in wallowing
in your own filth." 14 May 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274

94- none of your buisiness (COLA): "I am sorry, but I am going
to have to send you to the bin. You're perpetrating the Snit
circus by responding to all of his assinine posts. He is only
here for one reason, to disrupt this group, & you are helping
him, as well as flatfish." 04 Jan 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a9b40ce46612fdc4

95- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling
as children in the back seat of the family car saying: Mom,
'snits' touching me ... and you responding much as you do now
... I'm not touching you, you're touching me! The problem is
that by now you should've grown out of that type of poke and
complain interaction with others. But, of course, you've haven't
learned how to interact with others in a more 'constructive'
and mutually beneficial manner even now." 03 Jul 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4

96- notlisted (COLA): "I actually like Apple. But I see you as
an asshole who spends an embarassing percentage of your life
posting derogatory comments about a computer operating system
you obviously detest, and insulting those who defend it in a
newsgroup dedicated its advocacy. That's almost the definition
of being an asshole, and you have half a dozen buddies who
do the same thing. You excuse what you do by pretending that
you're merely pointing out problems in the hope that the system
will be improved, but that's an obvious lie whether it's you
saying it or one of your buds. You do it because you enjoy
the feeling it gives you, whatever that is." 07 Mar 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/90b57eaa796e8b14

97- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry
I killfiled him?" 27 Nov 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257

98- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability
and desire to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial
of things." 2 Oct 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e

99- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending
Author, example Snit... Go to the Filters Menu, Choose 'Kill
this Author' Click 'OK' Then Repeat with each annoying Author
of your choice. Then to see your work... Choose the Filter
Menu again, Then 'Refilter Articles'... Bam! No more boring,
pointless bickering about nothing. Enjoy!!!!!" 14 Aug 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec

100- Owl (COLA): "You have interacted with me often enough
to know that I never initiate personal attacks. I generally
respond in kind. It is you who usually fall off the civility
wagon first, with your ironically condescending canned
responses that do nothing for your argument and generally
shine a spotlight on the desperation that you are so fearful
of projecting." 5 Mar 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8debf93e05da4d26

Owl (COLA): "You are a complete idiot and extremely dishonest.
Consider yourself permanently plonked." 29 Mar 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba7797c5108b3c10

101- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather
discuss something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or,
for that matter, Snit, for whom the work 'troll' seems so
painfully inadequate?" 13 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769

102- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk>" 27 Jun 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/93afdfea4d4f491a

103- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For
someone who talks about everyone else not being "honest and
honorable" you appear to be the least honest and honorable of
anyone here." 22 Apr 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4

104- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in
Newswatcher but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option
with Snit. Ten seconds later and he's gone! Amazing." 30 Dec 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c

105- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take
your argument with sandman into the private room." 13 Dec 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77

106- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely,
and someti... err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a
blue moon he has something useful to say." 20 Mar 2007

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a31a47e26c5f5b7

107- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that
they were not different windowing environments? Message-ID,
please. Experience has told me not to trust you on anything
without backing evidence." 30 Jun 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cfd5de2006d42fdc

108- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot Glasser is invading this
group with his inane drivel, so he has to bear what people
think about that dishonest retard. And just for the record:
You *are* a Glasser sock" 30 Jan 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b

109- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu". 30 Mar 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3e88e9a86cb5483e

110- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get
superficial snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions."
1 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277

111- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference
a long standing war you have going with some person from
csma. It's like you single out persons to target your attentions
upon and then continuously berate them with constant barbs
and goads to perpetuate their acrimonious responses, which in
turn you respond in kind, etc. ad infinitum. Above all things,
your affinity for Macs and your overbearing pompous nature
aside, this is what convinces me that your primary purpose
for frequenting this and other groups is to troll." 07 Sep 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d

112- RichardK: "Just killfile him already." 20 Jun 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c9e7ded2e95a582

113- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant
one. You trash people that are trying their level best to
cope with a horrendous situation. And you do it without the
slightest idea of what is going on." 06 Sep 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b

114- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is
a troll. I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However,
as a troll, he is ... somewhat clumsy." 22 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92

115- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care
if you quote Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate
perched on the shell of a tortoise, I was merely pointing out
that you run the risk of looking ridiculous when you quote
something patently stupid. If that's your goal, you're on the
right track, and more power to you." 11 Jan 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d

116- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue,
who's thing is twisting your words so he can win an argument
against a straw man. That's enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42

RonB: (COLA): "Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes
no point, he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another
version of Hadron's 'you're a liar' mantra, which is about
all he can muster nowadays." 27 May 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0

RonB (COLA): "Original subject line now killfiled. You can
only talk about the freaking clipboard for so many million
freaking messages. As I said, Snit has no common-sense, STOP
mechanism. He's a mechanically obsessive super crank and will
go on forever. I'm not kidding about this, he will *NEVER*
*ever* stop." 6 Mar 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0df1e0164a8b586e

117- Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir
boys." 14 Sep 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb

118- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter
category. Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose
of hoping to generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn
more about Linux and how it can help you and your supposed
users why aren't you requesting help from a more technical
Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As the old saying goes,
those who can do, those who can't teach. Your posts seem to
confirm that saying IMHO." 12 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08

119- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and
worthless. You must be related to our resident racist troll,
he lies as much as you." 29 Dec 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d

120- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the
-HISTORY- of csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost
hated, in a news group before. He has the ability to turn just
about any person against him in just a few posts. On usenet,
trolls do this daily, but the funny part with Michael is that
I actually think he DOESN'T consider himself be a troll -
damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they
are wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour."
18 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2

121- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere
nice. Honestly, even the nutters who hang out down on Brighton
seafront made more sense than this. You been doing drugs
or something?" 25 May 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370

122- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit,
you're probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that
promises to remove smut from your harddrive." 21 Jan 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1

123- Sermo Malifer (COLA): Snit: "Why do so many people in
COLA argue *against* me..." Sermo Malifer: "Because you're a
narcissistic troll who posts trash just to get people talking
about you." 21 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1

124- spike1: "As for the original post, there's plenty of reason
thought and criteria. The reason is snit's here. The thought is
probably to show everyone here just how bad a troll snit is."
03 Dec 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c797d640e3b9fc12

125- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem
expressing anger, i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in
other ways. and he thinks he's making sense: well the syntax is
there and he figures he's pretty smart. indeed, he tells us,
he's done the personality tests and the iq tests and he's
okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he's soooooooo well adjusted."
3 Mar 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298

126- Steel (COLA): "You may not like the game, but nevertheless,
it's just a game. You play a game yourself don't kid yourself."
14 Oct 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/be1f49165984c350

127- Steve Carroll: "Snit isn't much more than a one trick
pony and not telling the whole story is one of his two main
tricks. His other main trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in
a bit of denial and you've gone a long way towards defining
his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his errors is one of
the biggest jokes on usenet." 28 Feb 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac

128- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece
of elephant dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up
in the "Snit Circus", but then the cotton candy began to sour,
and CSMA begun to smell like elephant dung." 18 Aug 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf

129- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility
with me for your rediculous argument regarding this."
26 Sep 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293

130- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit
has lost all self respect and has sunk to the point of using
words like 'asses' when referring to others. Oh, how could
the morally superior snit have fallen so low.. Please take a
moment out of your busy schedule to feel embarassed for him.
Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him more happy glue
(and the appropriate plastic bags)." 27 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5

131- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk
him then. A snit is a snit is a snit and always will be."
15 Aug 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140

132- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): "In other words, in another
attempt to troll, you made yourself look like a fool. Again".
28 Aug 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38

133- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you
had to create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit
came in here, in fact I find your site very nice and wish there
was a shop like yours where I live (well, I /think/...) Or is
Snit really just someone whose HD you accidentally wiped? Either
way, it seems to have created a lot of, for lack of a better
word, unpleasantness - just from looking at today's headers."
02 Jul 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1

134- The Lost Packet (COLA): "well, he's found a seat in my
killbin, I can't be doing with him." 27 Jan 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322

135- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're
the one lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically
amount to "I'm right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples
someone points at to demonstrate their claim, you blindly
continue to insist that they provide no evidence, or that
the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse still, you fall back
on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to portray the
argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls that
inhabit CSMA, Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason
than you are." 23 Sep 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124

136- Thufir: "You can "prove" that no one has disproved your
"proof"? Again, your assertion that no one has done so is
even *less* convincing than your claim that some PDF "proves"
whatever point you're trying to make precisely because I'm
familiar with your MO. That is, you're a dumb-ass who would
claim that that something is proved when it's not, and who
would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I
don't know what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know
that you're full of shit." 21 Aug 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092

137-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you
see, you never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really
are. Why just the other day I had a great laugh when I saw you,
the king of liars (in this NG anyway) calling somebody else
a liar." 13 Nov 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a

138- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way
the poor sick fool can get attention. My fucking God, he's
taken to hanging out with and supporting racist pig fuckers
like MuahMuah. It is true that no-one likes him and those that
pretend they do are just using him or don't know him - but
come on- it's not his fault. He's sick. Have some compassion,
eh? All these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy, MuaaaahMuaaah,
and Snit - they are all so alike. I pity each and every one
of them" 19 Apr 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a

139- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way
you could actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to
troll here." 14 Apr 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871

140- Timberwoof: "Plonk, Snit." 23 Apr 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c8df070c3e776c

141- tom_elam: "Killfile Steve C. and Snit" 07 Jul 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b50d0c973d21d995

142- TomB (COLA): "No Snit, you were flat out lying in an
attempt to make me look bad. Do you really have to sink to
that level in order to 'be right'? If so, you're pathetic. And
I don't say this because I like to say it." 07 Feb 2010

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353

143- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in
into one of your Circus acts?" 20 Feb 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f

144- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was:
Stop polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive
"writings". You give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your
goal you have succeeded! That also goes for all that bullshit
on your website" 11 Jun 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33

145- Tony(UK) (COLA): "Your email address in your headers just
about sums the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it
is the *uckwits involved in the whole arena and have posted
before on this. If in doubt, deride, insult and attack. Look
inwardly carefully before judging me." 10 Dec 2009

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3

146- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with
Snit. Most people have him kill-filed and the few who don't
mostly restrict their responses to 'why don't you go away,
no one wants you here'. Just what would keep someone in this
group with all of that animosity? Must be some kind of severe
mental illness." 17 Mar 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df

147- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty"
are nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you
wish to define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt
to alter or bend the rules when inevitably things do not go to
your liking, for this reason I doubt anyone would be foolish
enough to play your game." 16 May 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220

148- White Spirit (COLA): "Snit deserves a good beat-down,
Rodney King style. I have had to plonk the worthless piece of
Snit to prevent my monitor being defiled with the presence of
his idiotic, narcissistic tripe." 24 Aug 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2e3adbaae4bfb91d

149- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home
more than he's anywhere near a classroom".

150- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a
mental breakdown it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit
Glasser. What a f#cked up mess he is." 29 Aug 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461

151- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my
sincere apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're
the first person to be plonked from my new computer! :-)
10 Feb 2005

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49

152- Woofbert: "*Plonk*" 14 Jun 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/436e6b5333d747e0

153- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of
posts, to prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like
that to people without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly,
in the record. Ping Snit to do a search - you will flatter him,
and give meaning to his tawdry little life." 25 Oct 2006

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538

154- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global
killfile. No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye".
11 Sep 2004

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624

155- Znu: "The Snit Circus has gotten particularly bad as of
late. When I set up my filters to kill all of Snit's posts,
plus direct replies to them (which is how I'm keeping things
from now on), nearly 40% of the most recent 1000 articles in
CSMA go out the window. .... In all, something like 50% of the
traffic in this group is now related to Snit insanity. .... I
killfile Edwin because I don't have a patience to have
discussions with someone who deliberately tries to waste
my time. But watching *other people* tie him knots can be
entertaining. The Snit-related posts are not like this. They
are endless repetitions of the exact same material and/or
arguments dating back *years* about who said what." 20 Apr 2008

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9244dd79c682b2d6

156- Kari Lane (COLA): "You are pitiful. And a big pain in
the ass. Without you there might be change to get some real
discussion going on about Linux." 27 Aug 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5889b9cdf65c0b44

157- Roy Schestowitz (COLA): "Your neighbour troll has gotten
no attention, so he decided to start spamming our site, having
trolled the IRC channel. He has just posted 7 non-content
self-promotion links in a matter of 5 minute (as comments),
The trolling and stalking elsewhere have verged the pathological
too. S*it Glasser -- see help. You're clearly insane." [...]
"The Prescott Lunattic has just pasted his ENTIRE BLOG into my
blog (as comments). If this is not an UBERTROLL, I don't know
what is. 31 Aug 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b66f067167d0d36b

157- Roy Schestowitz (COLA): "He is piggy-backing other people's
sites for attention. Frankly, he's the most disgusting form
of troll and no wonder even the Mac forums disowned him. He's
a real-life troll." 31 Aug 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/543bc1b219961b16

158 - 7 (COLA): "You went off topic, run, back down, accepted
you are a HYPOCRITE, trolled, posted net abuse and underlined
your illiterate character, ignored the answer, made false
accusation and trolled again." 23 Nov 2011

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/7a9240935bfd3ffc

159 - DFS (COLA): "About Snit? If so, I was fooled by him for
a long time, too, mostly because I didn't closely read his
threads. I knew he liked to split hairs and argue endlessly,
so I usually glossed over his threads. I didn't realize he
would keep babbling "Support your accusation" even in the face
of direct evidence of his lies. Oh well. I finally decided
to killfile him again (my only entry)." 27 Mar 2012

https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d5fff469502bc7ba

160 - Torre Starnes (COLA): DFS: "About Snit?" Torre Starnes:
"Yep. I admit I was sucked in. In the dumper....." 27 Mar 2012

https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/81eabc1a75ff01d2

161 - clogwog (COLA): "This discussion, a very boring one,
is leading nowhere, please try to accept that cc has his
arguments to disagree with you." 31 May 2012

https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8bc89787876f55a0

162 - Don Zeigler (COLA)

"Hopefully none of Snot's family, friends or business associates
will ever run across this thread archived on Google. It's the
most shining example yet of his obviously unbalanced mental
state. He's told so many whoppers he can't even keep his story
straight." Jan 16 2009

https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab7014a465685945

163 - Gregory Shearman (COLA)

"Just killfile the troll, don't engage it." - Oct 13 2010

https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0b08a16aeed057f

[Snit]

On 5/21/13 9:06 PM, in article
4f703f77-a33d-4ab3...@kt20g2000pbb.googlegroups.com, "Mark S
Bilk" <ma...@cosmicpenguin.com> wrote:

For a full response to Bilk's plea for help, see: <http://bit.ly/181Ie4Q>

He simply re-posted the same thing as though I had not responded in full. He
must be very, very desperate to get help.

Mark, I am sincere in my offer to assist you in finding the help you are
begging to get. There are, no doubt, free services in your area.

You can get help. Reach out to those services. I wish you well.

[Mark S Bilk]

160+ People Whose Usenet Experience Was Ruined By

[Soupe du Jour]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:21:08 -0700, Mark S Bilk wrote:


>
> Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on psychopaths
> recommend to ignore them and they will go away.

Some of the trolls here are disturbed, but I haven't seen any indication
that they're psychopaths.

The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
elsewhere.

They _WANT_ you to reply to them. The angrier your response, the better.
However, any response at all gives them validation that they're important.

[Mark S Bilk]

On May 22, 6:02 am, Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...

> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
> elsewhere.

This seems to be a very popular belief.

But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot,
Hadron, Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux
propagandists still here?

[Soupe du Jour]

Because people like you respond to them.

[Mark S Bilk]

Circular reasoning.

Of course you're sure they're not getting paid, right?

[chrisv]

Soupe du Jour wrote:

> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>

>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>> elsewhere.
>>
>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>
>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>> still here?
>
>Because people like you respond to them.

Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.

Still, decent people engaging the likes of "Snit" is *completely*
counterproductive. Responding to its filthy lies and attacks will
*only* cause it to lie and attack more.

*Obviously*

[Snit]

On 5/21/13 9:39 PM, in article
d4c946e2-b187-48af...@zo5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com, "Mark S
Bilk" <ma...@cosmicpenguin.com> wrote:

...

>> It is true - where to now - feed trolls harder?
>
> The term "feeding" can mean different types of responses:
>
> 1. One can refute the psychopath's lies.
>
> 2. One can tell the psychopath that it is evil and
> it is DEFINITELY NOT WANTED IN THIS FORUM.

For a full response to Bilk's plea for help, see: <http://bit.ly/181Ie4Q>

You can get help. Reach out to those services. I wish you well.



--

"It is often hard to persuade the developers of one component to do what
improves the system as a whole rather than what will make their own
component more useful and successful." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/22/13 7:31 AM, in article valpp85avpoul8l13...@4ax.com,

--
Bilk is a self-described psychopath who has claimed others control his
actions and that he was hated by his parents, many of his teachers, his
school principal, and the staff at his summer camp.

Bilk should seek professional help for his issues.

[Snit]

On 5/22/13 7:27 AM, in article
0be16b57-07cf-4da5...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com, "Mark S

Just as you get paid by the Underground Marshmallow People to do as you do:

* You seed Google to harm people's personal and business lives.
* You wish harm on others and even speak of wishing to kill others.
* You show deep disrespect for the victims of 9-11 by repeating
self-refuting and absurd claims about that event.
* You call people names and make accusations you cannot back.
* You claim to speak of your actions as being "truly evil"
* You admit you see yourself as someone who was hated by many of
the key people in your life: your parents, many of your teachers,
your school principal, the staff at the camp you went to, etc.
* You attack people with "evidence" you know is forged and dishonest.
* You make baseless accusations of MS having "secret contracts" to
prevent OEMs from selling machines they are known to sell!
* You make baseless accusations of people in COLA being paid by
Microsoft even though the very idea is absurd.
* You defend the idea that public school students should be put
into abusive situations by having porn, including child porn,
be completely uncensored in the schools.
* You avoid and even snip content you do not have honest answers to.

Seek help, Bilk. Really. You need to see a professional.




--
"Maybe there is someone who considers it disgusting for a parrot to have sex
with a human. Or for a dolphin or tiger to have sex with a human. So what?
Others feel that all sex is disgusting." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/22/13 6:56 AM, in article
bb74f43a-17a2-4f97...@ks18g2000pbb.googlegroups.com, "Mark S

Why are you here? Clearly you are crying out for help. You feel out of
control - you cannot stop yourself from your horrible actions, including:

* You seed Google to harm people's personal and business lives.
* You wish harm on others and even speak of wishing to kill others.
* You show deep disrespect for the victims of 9-11 by repeating
self-refuting and absurd claims about that event.
* You call people names and make accusations you cannot back.
* You claim to speak of your actions as being "truly evil"
* You admit you see yourself as someone who was hated by many of
the key people in your life: your parents, many of your teachers,
your school principal, the staff at the camp you went to, etc.
* You attack people with "evidence" you know is forged and dishonest.
* You make baseless accusations of MS having "secret contracts" to
prevent OEMs from selling machines they are known to sell!
* You make baseless accusations of people in COLA being paid by
Microsoft even though the very idea is absurd.
* You defend the idea that public school students should be put
into abusive situations by having porn, including child porn,
be completely uncensored in the schools.
* You avoid and even snip content you do not have honest answers to.

Seek help, Bilk. Really. You need to see a professional.



--

"But you used an untraceable "burner phone" which I could not call back to."
-- Mark Bilk, showing he thinks people cannot call "burner phones". He is
out of touch with reality.

[Snit]

On 5/22/13 6:02 AM, in article knifkk$fev$1...@dont-email.me, "Soupe du Jour"

<soupedu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:21:08 -0700, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on psychopaths
>> recommend to ignore them and they will go away.
>
> Some of the trolls here are disturbed, but I haven't seen any indication
> that they're psychopaths.

Bilk uses the term "psychopath" to describe his own actions and thoughts -
but I would agree there is no real evidence he is one. He has, however,
spoken of his wishes to kill other people and hinted, perhaps, that he used
to torture and kill small animals. If he really did - and I am not
suggesting that is the case - then he might be one.

But he seems too emotional... generally psychopaths do not get so angry when
their lies are challenged... they just do not care.

He does show signs of a persecution complex however. Still, impossible to
diagnose someone based on a few Usenet posts. There is no doubt, though,
that he should be seeking professional help.

> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
> elsewhere.

I have ignored the stalker for years. He does not go away. And the COLA herd
has each other - so they would not go away either.

> They _WANT_ you to reply to them. The angrier your response, the better.
> However, any response at all gives them validation that they're important.

I want Bilk to feel important. I want him to seek the help he clearly needs.
I wish him no harm.


--
Mark Bilk demonstrating why he considers his own actions to be those of a
"psychopath": <http://bit.ly/13GAHFr>.

I sincerely hope he seeks professional help for his challenges.

[GreyCloud]

[William Poaster]

chrisv wrote:

> Soupe du Jour wrote:
>
>> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>
>>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>>> elsewhere.
>>>
>>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>>
>>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>>> still here?
>>
>>Because people like you respond to them.

BINGO!
There are just some people who *cannot* resist replying to the trolls so,
like spammers, the wintrolls keep churning out the same old shit & *some*
posters will insist on replying to their troll bait.

> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>
> Still, decent people engaging the likes of "Snit" is *completely*
> counterproductive. Responding to its filthy lies and attacks will
> *only* cause it to lie and attack more.
>
> *Obviously*

--
All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound?

Linux is the scientific communityοΏ½s operating system of choice.
CERNοΏ½s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9ta82o

[Snit]

On 5/22/13 2:58 PM, in article
jlrv6a-...@user-1842.linux.individual.net, "William Poaster"

<w...@induh-vidual.net> wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Soupe du Jour wrote:
>>
>>> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>>>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>>>> still here?
>>>
>>> Because people like you respond to them.
>
> BINGO!
> There are just some people who *cannot* resist replying to the trolls so,
> like spammers, the wintrolls keep churning out the same old shit & *some*
> posters will insist on replying to their troll bait.

I do tend to respond to trolls... so much my doing so has been deemed the
"Snit Circus". I respond to trolls and the trolls blame me. I think that is
funny and quite telling of their mindset.

...


--
"All of these acts [prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality,
possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia] should be
legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of
prejudice and narrowmindedness." -- Richard Stallman

[GreyCloud]

[Marti Van Lin]

Op 22-5-2013 15:02, schreef Soupe du Jour:

> On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:21:08 -0700, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on psychopaths
>> recommend to ignore them and they will go away.

Oh the Irony, Bilk is one of the worst and hideous psychopaths and
propagandist I've ever seen in my entire Life.

> Some of the trolls here are disturbed, but I haven't seen any indication
> that they're psychopaths.

Check out Snit (Michael Glasser).

> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
> elsewhere.

Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
*any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".

> They _WANT_ you to reply to them. The angrier your response, the better.
> However, any response at all gives them validation that they're important.

Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts complete off
topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority of Linux advocates have
that insane POS killfiled for a good reason. Only Homer and Chris
Ahlstrom support the Bilk jackass.

--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST)
|_|_|0| http://osg33x.blogspot.com
|0|0|0| Windows 8: The Future is Now!

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 6:26 AM, in article knl5dc$k76$1...@news.albasani.net, "Marti Van

Lin" <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:

> Op 22-5-2013 15:02, schreef Soupe du Jour:
>
>> On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:21:08 -0700, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on psychopaths
>>> recommend to ignore them and they will go away.
>
> Oh the Irony, Bilk is one of the worst and hideous psychopaths and
> propagandist I've ever seen in my entire Life.

He has made it very, very clear he thinks of himself - or at least describes
himself - as a psychopath. Here is just one example where he does so in
quite some detail: <http://bit.ly/13GAHFr>.

...

>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>> elsewhere.
>
> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".

That might be a slight exaggeration, but not much.

>> They _WANT_ you to reply to them. The angrier your response, the better.
>> However, any response at all gives them validation that they're important.
>
> Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts complete off
> topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority of Linux advocates have
> that insane POS killfiled for a good reason. Only Homer and Chris
> Ahlstrom support the Bilk jackass.

Bilk has claimed it is his *job* to post these hideous lies to his website
and COLA. He is paid... surely by the Underground Marshmallow People.
Nothing else makes sense. :)

[Marti Van Lin]

Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:

> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Soupe du Jour wrote:
>>
>>> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>>>
>>>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>>>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>>>> still here?

Flatfish and Cola Zealot (Clogwog Sock-puppet) unfortunately rarely post
lately. Haven't seen any post by the "Ezekiel" kreep lately and the only
thing "Hadron" posts are silly personal attack towards Chris Ahlstrom.

>>>
>>> Because people like you respond to them.
>
> BINGO!
> There are just some people who *cannot* resist replying to the trolls so,
> like spammers, the wintrolls keep churning out the same old shit & *some*
> posters will insist on replying to their troll bait.

And what if you are all of a sudden labeled "a troll" for writing
something about a Microsoft product? 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux
advocacy obviously doesn't mater anymore in COLA :-(

>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.

I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
shortcomings in Desktop Linux.

>> Still, decent people engaging the likes of "Snit" is *completely*
>> counterproductive. Responding to its filthy lies and attacks will
>> *only* cause it to lie and attack more.

Agreed William, Snit doesn't want to discuss Operating Systems, all the
hideous troll wants is a never ending argue :-(

>> *Obviously*

Nope, most certainly, simply avoid Snit, it's such a time waster :-(

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 6:57 AM, in article knl78h$o6i$1...@news.albasani.net, "Marti Van

Lin" <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:

>> BINGO!
>> There are just some people who *cannot* resist replying to the trolls so,
>> like spammers, the wintrolls keep churning out the same old shit & *some*
>> posters will insist on replying to their troll bait.
>
> And what if you are all of a sudden labeled "a troll" for writing
> something about a Microsoft product? 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux
> advocacy obviously doesn't mater anymore in COLA :-(

Once the herd decides you are not one of them it will be hard for you to get
back in. Grovel enough and they might let you. Remember, these are the herd
speaking points:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

And, as you have noted, do not speak well of MS or Apple or any of their
products. Does not matter if they do any good (such as Apple's work to end
DRM on music or their spreading of open source code) or what products they
make you like (you seem to like Win 8), if you speak of these things you
will not get back into their good graces.

>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>
> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.

Exactly. That is what I am. I am very pro-Linux... but the herd sees me as
evil because I do not think Linux based solutions are the right choice in
all cases (specifically on the desktop, and even then sometimes Linux based
solutions are in my view).

>>> Still, decent people engaging the likes of "Snit" is *completely*
>>> counterproductive. Responding to its filthy lies and attacks will
>>> *only* cause it to lie and attack more.
>
> Agreed William, Snit doesn't want to discuss Operating Systems, all the
> hideous troll wants is a never ending argue :-(

I would prefer to discuss operating systems and technology. Do not speak for
me... that is a bad habit.

>>> *Obviously*
>
> Nope, most certainly, simply avoid Snit, it's such a time waster :-(

Ah, you are working to get back into the herd. I understand.

[Hadron]

Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> writes:

> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Soupe du Jour wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>>>>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>>>>> still here?
>
> Flatfish and Cola Zealot (Clogwog Sock-puppet) unfortunately rarely post
> lately. Haven't seen any post by the "Ezekiel" kreep lately and the only thing
> "Hadron" posts are silly personal attack towards Chris Ahlstrom.

Wrong. A LOT of my posts ask him about the Windows work that he boasts about
and why he's recommending Linux to everyone except his company's
customers who license the closed source proprietary Windows only SW that
he QAs for living. This isn't an "attack" - this is asking for
clarification. How come Windows isnt good enough for everyone else but
IS good enough for the people who pay him?

--
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>

[flatfish+++]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:57:36 +0200, Marti Van Lin wrote:

> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Soupe du Jour wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>>>>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>>>>> still here?
>
> Flatfish and Cola Zealot (Clogwog Sock-puppet) unfortunately rarely post
> lately. Haven't seen any post by the "Ezekiel" kreep lately and the only
> thing "Hadron" posts are silly personal attack towards Chris Ahlstrom.

I've been too busy with a new project lately. Also this group has
sunk to a new low.
Now that the truth about false Linux advocacy has been confirmed,
it's no longer a debate but more of an opportunity to categorically
disagree with the other side just to disagree.

As for Chris Ahlstrom, he brings it on himself.
All those years of LIEing for LIEnux have caught up with him, and
others as well now that the cat is officially out of the bag.

Sometimes I wonder if he does it on purpose just to get attention.
He can't be that ignorant.

>>>>
>>>> Because people like you respond to them.
>>
>> BINGO!
>> There are just some people who *cannot* resist replying to the trolls so,
>> like spammers, the wintrolls keep churning out the same old shit & *some*
>> posters will insist on replying to their troll bait.
>
> And what if you are all of a sudden labeled "a troll" for writing
> something about a Microsoft product? 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux
> advocacy obviously doesn't mater anymore in COLA :-(

The false Linux advocates in COLA are hypocritical zealots who have
tunnel vision and can't see any point of view but their own. Part of
it stems from the cult like peer pressure applied to members of the
Linux community and part of it stems from a weakness to speak one's
mind.

They will argue till the death why Ardour is better than ProTools all
the while ignoring the fact that Grammy winning music is made every
day with ProTools and Ardour is a virtual unknown in the professional
studio.
They simply can't see any other solution but their own so they LIE
for LIEnux.

That's the difference between them and us.
I see positives for Linux and have stated so for many years.
Embedded, servers, Android, Super Computers etc.
Great place for Linux.

I also see problems with Windows and have gone on record as saying
so.
Vista was a mess when first released.
I hate tiles.
I hated Windows ME.
Microsoft's commercials are awful.
Microsoft has over the years engaged in poor stewardship in the
community.

>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>
> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.

Exactly.
Say something negative about Linux, no matter how truthful, and the
same person who was an accepted member of the cult becomes an enemy.



--
flatfish+++
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 8:09 AM, in article oyq17ry3vo51$.r4eaao4t...@40tude.net,

"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:57:36 +0200, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>> Soupe du Jour wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark S Bilk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Soupe du Jour <soupedujour2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> The trolls are here for the attention. Ignore them and they will go
>>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems to be a very popular belief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if it's correct, why are Flatfish, Ezekiel, Cola Zealot, Hadron,
>>>>>> Grey Cloud, and all the other lying, hating anti-Linux propagandists
>>>>>> still here?
>>
>> Flatfish and Cola Zealot (Clogwog Sock-puppet) unfortunately rarely post
>> lately. Haven't seen any post by the "Ezekiel" kreep lately and the only
>> thing "Hadron" posts are silly personal attack towards Chris Ahlstrom.
>
> I've been too busy with a new project lately. Also this group has
> sunk to a new low.
> Now that the truth about false Linux advocacy has been confirmed,
> it's no longer a debate but more of an opportunity to categorically
> disagree with the other side just to disagree.

And to attack those on "the other side". I am one of few who actually is
looking to have reasoned conversations - though I realize in COLA that is an
unlikely thing to happen.

> As for Chris Ahlstrom, he brings it on himself.
> All those years of LIEing for LIEnux have caught up with him, and
> others as well now that the cat is officially out of the bag.
>
> Sometimes I wonder if he does it on purpose just to get attention.
> He can't be that ignorant.

He is scared of being ostracized like Marti and others have been.

>>>>>
>>>>> Because people like you respond to them.
>>>
>>> BINGO!
>>> There are just some people who *cannot* resist replying to the trolls so,
>>> like spammers, the wintrolls keep churning out the same old shit & *some*
>>> posters will insist on replying to their troll bait.
>>
>> And what if you are all of a sudden labeled "a troll" for writing
>> something about a Microsoft product? 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux
>> advocacy obviously doesn't mater anymore in COLA :-(
>
> The false Linux advocates in COLA are hypocritical zealots who have
> tunnel vision and can't see any point of view but their own. Part of
> it stems from the cult like peer pressure applied to members of the
> Linux community and part of it stems from a weakness to speak one's
> mind.
>
> They will argue till the death why Ardour is better than ProTools all
> the while ignoring the fact that Grammy winning music is made every
> day with ProTools and Ardour is a virtual unknown in the professional
> studio.
> They simply can't see any other solution but their own so they LIE
> for LIEnux.

Same with Photoshop / GIMP, MS Office / LibreOffice, ScreenFlow / ???
[Nothing]... they generally cannot admit that Linux is not the be-all
solution.

Heck they cannot even admit that the KDE/Gnome/other mix-and-match desktop
is by nature detrimental. It is.

> That's the difference between them and us.
> I see positives for Linux and have stated so for many years.

Ditto here.

> Embedded, servers, Android, Super Computers etc.
> Great place for Linux.

Absolutely agreed.

> I also see problems with Windows and have gone on record as saying
> so.

Ditto here - and with OS X.

> Vista was a mess when first released.

Absolutely.

> I hate tiles.

It is a complete mess and even MS is seeing this.

> I hated Windows ME.

Another mess. Yes.

> Microsoft's commercials are awful.
> Microsoft has over the years engaged in poor stewardship in the
> community.

They have done immoral things... as has Apple. And Google. And Samsung.

>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>
>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>
> Exactly.
> Say something negative about Linux, no matter how truthful, and the
> same person who was an accepted member of the cult becomes an enemy.

And soon it will be claimed someone must be forging your name. Likely me. :)


--
Bilk is a self-described psychopath who demonstrates a persecution complex
and claims to believe delusional stories about historic events. Yet he
denies the need to seek professional help for his problems. Very sad.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".
>
>> They _WANT_ you to reply to them. The angrier your response, the better.
>> However, any response at all gives them validation that they're important.
>
> Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts complete off
> topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority of Linux advocates have
> that insane POS killfiled for a good reason. Only Homer and Chris
> Ahlstrom support the Bilk jackass.

Wrong, Marti.

--
Eudaemonic research proceeded with the casual mania peculiar to this part of
the world. Nude sunbathing on the back deck was combined with phone calls to
Advanced Kinetics in Costa Mesa, American Laser Systems in Goleta, Automation
Industries in Danbury, Connecticut, Arenberg Ultrasonics in Jamaica Plain,
Massachusetts, and Hewlett Packard in Sunnyvale, California, where Norman
Packard's cousin, David, presided as chairman of the board. The trick was to
make these calls at noon, in the hope that out-to-lunch executives would return
them at their own expense. Eudaemonic Enterprises, for all they knew, might be
a fast-growing computer company branching out of the Silicon Valley. Sniffing
the possibility of high-volume sales, these executives little suspected that
they were talking on the other end of the line to a naked physicist crazed
over roulette.
-- Thomas Bass, "The Eudaemonic Pie"

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>
>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>
> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.

Wrong again, Marti.

How soon we forget, eh?

--
You see, antiquated ideas of kindness and generosity are simply bugs that
must be programmed out of our world. And these cold, unfeeling machines will
show us the way.
-- Bill Gates

[chrisv]

> Marti Van Lin belched:

>>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>
>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.

I have the feeling that only an idiot troll would say what you just
did, "Marti".

We do *not* do that. We are *not* so unreasonable, and only an
asshole would claim that we are.

Should this need to be said? It's attitude, and being honest and
reasonable, that seperates the good from the bad, in here.

Short of some sort of mental breakdown, *no* honorable person could
become an "Ezekiel", or a "Hadron", or a "DFS", or a "GreyCloud".

I realize that some of them are just so God-damned *stupid* that they
just can't understand the "freedom but not anarchy" thing, and other
principals of Free software and consumer choice. But that is no
excuse to become a fscking jackasshole who *lies* to attack your
betters.

--
'These "advocates" like to twist the truth to suit their immoral
agenda.' - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"

[GreyCloud]

On 5/23/2013 11:31 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>
>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>
> Wrong again, Marti.
>
> How soon we forget, eh?
>

How soon you forget as well, hypocrite.
Bottom line, you suck!

[GreyCloud]

You're the dumbest fuck in here, turdv.

[GreyCloud]

[chrisv]

> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
>> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".

How many times is the troll that calls itself "Marti" going to
repeat this *lie*, I wonder.

[Soupe du Jour]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 15:26:03 +0200, Marti Van Lin wrote:


> Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts complete off
> topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority of Linux advocates have
> that insane POS killfiled for a good reason. Only Homer and Chris
> Ahlstrom support the Bilk jackass.

I must have killfiled him a while back, because I don't remember seeing
his posts until recently, when I started a new killfile at my new job. I
should have grabbed my killfile with my other data and brought it with me.

I think I'll just add him now.

[Soupe du Jour]

Microsoft has been very good for spurring hardware development. The
inefficiencies of Windows have mandated a continuous push by the hardware
makers to boost overall system performance before Microsoft releases some
new software that will eat it all up again.

This might be changing as people are demanding smaller, more portable,
specific purpose devices rather than just more beefy standard desktop
computers. However, for several decades Microsoft was always able to out-
pace Moore's Law.

(This problem isn't actually restricted to MS, but they made an empire
out of it.)

There, how's that for something positive about Microsoft? :-) Look at all
the powerful hardware that we have for such low prices these days.

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 10:30 AM, in article knljf4$bf9$4...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"

<OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
>> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".
>>
>>> They _WANT_ you to reply to them. The angrier your response, the better.
>>> However, any response at all gives them validation that they're important.
>>
>> Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts complete off
>> topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority of Linux advocates have
>> that insane POS killfiled for a good reason. Only Homer and Chris
>> Ahlstrom support the Bilk jackass.
>
> Wrong, Marti.

Do you deny supporting Bilk?

At this point I might be the only one doing so - my offer to assist him in
finding the help he needs is sincere. But I will never back his hideous
mocking of the events of 9-11.

--
Personally, [Stallman's] "weirdness" does not bother me (as long as I
don't have to be near him) but his extremist positions do bother me.
-- Lusotec

[William Poaster]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>
>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>
> Wrong again, Marti.
>
> How soon we forget, eh?

Nor did I say that, it was 'chrisv'.

--
A Windows user spends 1/3 of his life sleeping, 1/3 working, 1/3
waiting.

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 10:31 AM, in article knljie$bf9$5...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"

<OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>
>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>
> Wrong again, Marti.
>
> How soon we forget, eh?

What do you think he has forgotten... other than to back the herd at all
costs or be kicked from its ranks?


--
"But I have never, ever even run a Linux server and I don't even want
to; it's not what I'm interested in. I'm more of a desktop guy."
-- Linus Torvalds

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 10:54 AM, in article 72lsp8l8b24j8fhsv...@4ax.com,

"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> Marti Van Lin belched:
>>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>>
>>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>
> I have the feeling that only an idiot troll would say what you just
> did, "Marti".

Ah, I predicted that the herd would soon question if Marti was Marti. The
quote show my prediction to be correct.

The herd is very predictable.

> We do *not* do that. We are *not* so unreasonable, and only an
> asshole would claim that we are.

The herd is unreasonable. Only rarely can any member question any of the
following nonsense:

* MS has secret deals to stop OEMs from selling Linux pre-installed.
* Apple claims to have invented the "rounded rectangle".
* Desktop Linux serves people as well as the competition.
* Apple never innovated anything.
* Samsung has not been copying Apple's products.
* Apple and MS are struggling / dying companies.
* MS has a monopoly on the desktop.
* Snit is anti-choice (as are others they accuse).
* Snit is anti-Linux (as are others they accuse).
* Snit uses sock puppets (as do others they accuse).
* Stallman's views on kids and sexuality are fine.
* Stallman's doubletalk about "Freedom" is coherent and makes sense.
* MS is evil to have blocked Linux years ago, but Google is fine to
block Aliyun OS *now*.
* When an organization moves to a Linux based product it is always a
good move. When they move away from one it is always a bad move.
* Even though some herd members post membership lists of who is in
the herd, all herd members deny the herd even exists.

> Should this need to be said? It's attitude, and being honest and
> reasonable, that seperates the good from the bad, in here.

Right: and you and your herd are not on the side of "good" based on your own
definition.

> Short of some sort of mental breakdown, *no* honorable person could
> become an "Ezekiel", or a "Hadron", or a "DFS", or a "GreyCloud".

You are lashing out.

> I realize that some of them are just so God-damned *stupid* that they
> just can't understand the "freedom but not anarchy" thing, and other
> principals of Free software and consumer choice. But that is no
> excuse to become a fscking jackasshole who *lies* to attack your
> betters.

Why do you do it then?

--
"It is often hard to persuade the developers of one component to do what
improves the system as a whole rather than what will make their own
component more useful and successful." -- Richard Stallman

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 12:52 PM, in article
pan.2013.05.23....@nospam.invalid, "chrisv"

What makes you think it is a lie. And why put his name in quotes - other
than to prove me right that the herd would begin to suggest Marti is not
Marti?


--
"I started Linux as a desktop operating system. And it's the only area
where Linux hasn't completely taken over. That just annoys the hell out
of me." -- Linus Torvalds

[GreyCloud]

[GreyCloud]

On 5/23/2013 3:48 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 5/23/13 12:52 PM, in article
> pan.2013.05.23....@nospam.invalid, "chrisv"
> <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
>>>> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".
>>
>> How many times is the troll that calls itself "Marti" going to
>> repeat this *lie*, I wonder.
>>
>
> What makes you think it is a lie. And why put his name in quotes - other
> than to prove me right that the herd would begin to suggest Marti is not
> Marti?
>
>

Amazing isn't it. If Marti had never mentioned that he really liked
Win8, things would be just hunky-dory.

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 4:13 PM, in article IoKdnSYwLedcPwPM...@bresnan.com,

Exactly... and the herd reaction is so amazingly predictable. He is no
longer Marti... he is "Marti"... a sign that maybe, just maybe it is an
imposter posting as him.

Not that I am talking to the real GreyCloud anyway, right? :)


--
Bilk is a self-described psychopath who has claimed others control his
actions and that he was hated by his parents, many of his teachers, his
school principal, and the staff at his summer camp.

Bilk should seek professional help for his issues.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, William Poaster belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>>
>>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>>
>> Wrong again, Marti.
>>
>> How soon we forget, eh?
>
> Nor did I say that, it was 'chrisv'.

Oops, my bad on the quote fu.

--
It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than
when there's not.
-- Bill Gates, Fortune Magazine, July 17 2007

[GreyCloud]

On 5/23/2013 5:17 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 5/23/13 4:13 PM, in article IoKdnSYwLedcPwPM...@bresnan.com,
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/23/2013 3:48 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 5/23/13 12:52 PM, in article
>>> pan.2013.05.23....@nospam.invalid, "chrisv"
>>> <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
>>>>>> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".
>>>>
>>>> How many times is the troll that calls itself "Marti" going to
>>>> repeat this *lie*, I wonder.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What makes you think it is a lie. And why put his name in quotes - other
>>> than to prove me right that the herd would begin to suggest Marti is not
>>> Marti?
>>>
>>>
>> Amazing isn't it. If Marti had never mentioned that he really liked
>> Win8, things would be just hunky-dory.
>>
> Exactly... and the herd reaction is so amazingly predictable. He is no
> longer Marti... he is "Marti"... a sign that maybe, just maybe it is an
> imposter posting as him.
>
> Not that I am talking to the real GreyCloud anyway, right? :)
>
>

Nah.... I'm just one of those filthy/fscks. :-))

But aside, it is the real Marti. The herd won't give anyone an inch, so
the clueless clowns deserve everything they've got coming to them.
They are mentally ill, as Linus Torvalds had written about.

[Snit]

On 5/23/13 7:25 PM, in article 7IidnTM5rcQ1UgPM...@bresnan.com,

"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/2013 5:17 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 5/23/13 4:13 PM, in article IoKdnSYwLedcPwPM...@bresnan.com,
>> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2013 3:48 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/13 12:52 PM, in article
>>>> pan.2013.05.23....@nospam.invalid, "chrisv"
>>>> <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone who has the *audacity* to write a *single* positive message about
>>>>>>> *any* Microsoft or Apple product in this cesspool is labeled "a troll".
>>>>>
>>>>> How many times is the troll that calls itself "Marti" going to
>>>>> repeat this *lie*, I wonder.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think it is a lie. And why put his name in quotes - other
>>>> than to prove me right that the herd would begin to suggest Marti is not
>>>> Marti?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Amazing isn't it. If Marti had never mentioned that he really liked
>>> Win8, things would be just hunky-dory.
>>>
>> Exactly... and the herd reaction is so amazingly predictable. He is no
>> longer Marti... he is "Marti"... a sign that maybe, just maybe it is an
>> imposter posting as him.
>>
>> Not that I am talking to the real GreyCloud anyway, right? :)
>
> Nah.... I'm just one of those filthy/fscks. :-))

One of my socks, no doubt. :)

> But aside, it is the real Marti. The herd won't give anyone an inch, so
> the clueless clowns deserve everything they've got coming to them.
> They are mentally ill, as Linus Torvalds had written about.

Absolutely.

[Marti Van Lin]

Op 23-5-2013 20:40, schreef GreyCloud:

Not sure about that, yet:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Great "Free Software and Linux" "advocacy" -honest

LMAO

[Marti Van Lin]

Op 23-5-2013 20:39, schreef GreyCloud:

12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy forgotten. Is it my fault that
Microsoft Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware?

Anyway I'm a happy Windows 8 user and the herd can kiss my ass. Just as
simple as that :-p

[Mark S Bilk]

On May 23, 6:26 am, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid>
wrote:
> Op 22-5-2013 15:02, schreef Soupe du Jour:
> > On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:21:08 -0700, Mark S Bilk wrote:
>
> >> Evil need to be opposed. None of the researchers on
> >> psychopaths recommend to ignore them and they will go away.
>
> Oh the Irony, Bilk is one of the worst and hideous psychopaths
> and propagandist I've ever seen in my entire Life.

>
> Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts
> complete off topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority
> of Linux advocates have that insane POS killfiled for a
> good reason. Only Homer and Chris Ahlstrom support the
> Bilk jackass.

"worst hideous psychopaths propagandist hideous troll
HATE *propaganda* insane POS jackass"

What Marti is referring to there is my reporting on the
scientific research that proves the World Trade Center was
blown up by explosives and a type of thermite. I did very
little of that research. It was done by hundreds of
scientists and engineers whose websites I have linked to
on mine.

http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/#RESEARCH_SITES

Marti has said that he is a Zionist. He has called me a
"Jihadist" despite the fact that I've said that all three
branches of the religion -- Judaism, "Christianity", Islam
-- have a genocidal psychopath as their deity.

http://www.evilbible.com

Being a Zionist, Marti must believe that "evil Moslems" did
the 9-11 attack, despite all the evidence that's been uncovered
proving that elements of the U.S. government, and possibly the
Israeli government, actually did it.

http://9-11cc.org/high-level-officials-eager-to-spill-the-beans/

Marti also flipped his lid when I posted an article about many
other murderous acts the Zionist Israeli government has done.
He never refuted any of the info in that article, which had
links to sources. He just called me a "Jihadist".

http://cosmicpenguin.com/IsraelInfoCensored.html

Peter Kohlmann responds the same way and tells me to kill myself.
Presumably he is a Zionist too.

[chrisv]

Soupe du Jour wrote:

>Microsoft has been very good for spurring hardware development. The
>inefficiencies of Windows have mandated a continuous push by the hardware
>makers to boost overall system performance before Microsoft releases some
>new software that will eat it all up again.
>

> (snip)

>
>There, how's that for something positive about Microsoft? :-) Look at all
>the powerful hardware that we have for such low prices these days.

You Micro$oft lover. 8)

I've said more than once that I thought that, if you knew what you
were doing, XP (SP2/3) was a decent OS. Win7 is not bad, either.

Compared to GNU/Linux, they are both toy-caliber, but they generally
get the job done. Just plan for the occasional re-install.

My problem with M$ is mostly their evil, monopolizing "business
tactics".

If there was real choice in the market, I'd pay no more attention to
them that I would any other mediocre product that I might pass-by,
when I shop.

--
"COLA losers like chrisv detest success of any kind. It's as simple
as that." - "Hadron" Quack, lying shamelessly

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 4:14 AM, in article
d8fc3eb4-9565-4cfa...@v10g2000pbv.googlegroups.com, "Mark S
Bilk" <ma...@cosmicpenguin.com> wrote:

...

>> Bilk is a hideous troll himself, who continually posts
>> complete off topic HATE *propaganda* in COLA. The majority
>> of Linux advocates have that insane POS killfiled for a
>> good reason. Only Homer and Chris Ahlstrom support the
>> Bilk jackass.
>
> "worst hideous psychopaths propagandist hideous troll
> HATE *propaganda* insane POS jackass"
>
> What Marti is referring to there is my reporting on the
> scientific research that proves the World Trade Center was
> blown up by explosives and a type of thermite. I did very
> little of that research.

Right. You just spew nonsense into public forums and then whine about being
"attacked" by "psychopaths" when it is noted that your claims make
absolutely no sense. None. They are utter self-refuting garbage.

* Bilk claims that there was a video showing rebar coated with something
which is assumed to be explosives (but Bilk does not say how anyone
knows this). The only "evidence" he offers is the welders had to have
some sort of special security clearance - but how would even this be
seen on a video? He never explains that either - nor what the
clearance was or who authorized it. Anyway, Bilk says the video was
held for many years, then shown on a government owned TV network only
to magically disappear from *all* stations and he says secret
government agents visited all libraries and remove them from there
while, coincidently coincidentally, not a single known person happened
to record the show on their VCR. [1] [2] [6] Additionally, Bilk has
not shown a single one of the regular welders he claims complained on
the video saying anything about the incident either before or even
after 9-11.

* Bilk claims people with special security clearances managed the
welding of rebar which was coated with highly flammable explosives.
[2] When questioned about why the sparks would not ignite the highly
flammable explosives coating the rebar, Bulk invented, on the fly,
stories about copper clamps or wet cloths (yes, really, wet cloths!)
[3]. He later said these things were merely "heat-sinking" and failed
to explain how flying sparks managed to not hit any of these highly
flammable explosives. [6] Later he said the sparks were blocked by
"heavy cardboard with aluminum foil" which he had not thought of
before [12] because he finally admitted he had not even seen this
fictional video. [13] Bilk could have just invented a story about how
the explosives were added *after* the rebar was all welded together
(and before concrete was added). That would make a lot more sense than
his fairy tales!

* Later Bilk said the video was produced in 1987. [14] This completely
contradicts many of his claims from the two above bullet points. A
list of some of the problems with Bilk's claims of the video (some
repeated from above):
* No known copies exist in any library.
* No known copies exist in any PBS station.
* No known VCR copies exist.
* No listing of it can be found in any 1990 TV guide.
* No reason why it would be shown on a government network
* No known welder comments in 1969 as the towers were made.
* No known welder comments when the show was broadcast in 1990.
* No known welder comments after 9-11.
* No people related to these welders can be found speaking up.
* No explanation for why you changed your story about it's "series"
* No comment in the video about explosives you say it proves.
* No agency has been named which authorized special clearances.
* No name of any producer has been given.
* No name of anyone working on this video has been given.
* No reason given why explosives were not added after the welding
* Bilk has admitted not even he saw the video yet insists it is real.

* Bilk claims other were saying it was compressed air that ejected tons
of steel from the Twin Towers, a completely bogus story Bilk
fabricated. At first he denied he even made this claim until I showed
him the many posts where he did - and quoted his own words back to
him. [4] His comments show he does not understand even the basics of
what knowledgeable people say actually happened to the Towers.

* Bilk has no evidence of some unknown force which would have prevented
steel from being ejected from the pancaking towers without the added
force of explosives. Nor can he explain how explosives would break
this unknown force where tons upon tons of falling building would not.
No such force has ever been described by physics. Yet Bilk continues
to insist only explosives could explain the forces needed to eject the
material seen in videos. [5] Bilk claims this is a lie because he has
never named the unnamed force [6], which *supports* the comments he is
trying to refute. Very funny!

* Bilk changes his story *in the same post* and claims that the
flammable material on the rebar exploded on 9-11 but also says he does
not recall if he was told it did or did not.[11] Bilk is clearly just
making things up as he goes! When faced with this Bilk claimed he was
talking about different rebar, but only the rebar from that post was
being discussed.

* Bilk claims detonators were brought into the Towers shortly before the
attack, but he fails to account for how this would be possible with
the heightened security, why nobody saw this, or why there is no video
of this. He also does not explain how these detonators survived the
fires and other extremes after the planes hit the towers, nor does he
explain why the detonators were able to set off the explosives but the
concussion force from the planes ramming into the building did not set
them off. All sorts of unnamed forces must be assumed for his story to
make any sense at all.

* Bilk has not refuted the alternate and equally reasonable idea that
the buildings were brought down by Underground Marshmallow People. He
responds to this claim worse than others respond to his claims - yet
whines others are not being respectful to his claims. He proves he is
a hypocrite. [7]

* Bilk claims that to merely quote Stallman is to "attack" him make no
sense. [8] Stallman's comments are an attack on decency and against
children.

* Bilk claims that to quote him is to lie about him [9] - a claim that is
clearly dishonest. He cannot explain why that would be so, but he
hates how his own words have shown his ignorance so he just lashes out
with some of the most vile attacks to ever be posted to COLA.

* Bilk claims that I and others are paid to post to COLA [10] - a claim
that is utter nonsense... and even Bilk admitted he would need
financial records to fully support his fairy tails and admits he has
no such records. He "evidence" is that people disagree with him and
the "advocates" and find amusement in watching them try to back their
cult-like BS and other nonsense.

The following is in no way a complete list... just examples of the things I
note, above. And, remember, Bilk has not refuted a single one of the above
bulleted points:

[1] 4e3bf76f-1961-47c9...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com
94c7e1ee-41a3-4811...@kk9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com

[2] d8eb487c-f16c-48cf...@u7g2000yqg.googlegroups.com
11639315-fa13-4152...@lg15g2000pbb.googlegroups.com
c2d7c52b-b7aa-4184...@oz4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com
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At one point Bilk complained about calling his ideas magical. So I asked him
the following questions. He never was able to answer any of them:

How is it not "magical" that this video disappeared from all TV
stations, libraries, and even home VCR collections?

How is it not "magical" that you did not even see this video but
know it showed not just a coating on rebar, not just a flammable
coating on rebar, but an *explosive* coating on rebar?

How is it not "magical" that this one set of buildings are the only
buildings in the world where such explosives have ever been put in
as the building was erected, at least that anyone can find?

How it is not "magical" that the coatings were embedded in concrete
yet people could discretely attach detonators to the explosives
throughout the building?

How is it not "magical" that none of the workers who you say
complained about losing this job never came forward any time before
or even after 9-11 to speak up about the events?

How is it not "magical" that a video was able to show some special
"security clearance"... one you have never named as far as I know.

How is it not "magical" that not a single spark hit any of this
rebar coated with highly flammable materials

How is it not "magical" that this video was not shown for many years
and then shown on a *government* owned network of stations?

How is it not "magical" that this video was first, according to you,
just one of series and was the only one missing, and yet the name of
the series cannot be known and none of the other videos can be
found... and only when this was pointed out did you decide there was
no such series?

The only way Bilk's ideas can be taken even slightly seriously is if one
believes in *magic*.



--
"In fact, the main goal of Linux might be called usability... the most
important thing is that it works well and people ... want to use it."
-- Linus Torvalds

[GreyCloud]

Agent is most likely very good. However, chrisv is using a certain
version only made for windows. Yet he will demonize anyone with any
praise of windows or any fault finding in linux. Worse, he acts like a
marxist that will not debate civilly but starts in on the name calling,
which marxists will do because that is how they are trained to handle a
situation. Never really saw him advocate linux, just fights with people.

[GreyCloud]

On 5/24/2013 12:21 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Op 23-5-2013 20:39, schreef GreyCloud:
>
>> On 5/23/2013 11:31 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>>>
>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>>>
>>>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>>>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>>>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>>>
>>> Wrong again, Marti.
>>>
>>> How soon we forget, eh?
>>>
>>
>> How soon you forget as well, hypocrite.
>> Bottom line, you suck!
>
> 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy forgotten. Is it my fault that
> Microsoft Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware?
>
> Anyway I'm a happy Windows 8 user and the herd can kiss my ass. Just as
> simple as that :-p
>
>

LOL!! I know what you mean. Not my fault that MS is putting out good
quality software. People will buy what works best for them. For me, I
use win7 and VS2010 Pro. Also have an iMac that my wife now uses and
run Solaris 10 under VMWare Fusion. The older iMac G5 I use to explore
the older CDE/Motif programming methods. But as I posted earlier... all
of it is getting a bit boring now.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 11:41 AM, in article
Wu6dnb9CPK8bKQLM...@bresnan.com, "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com>
wrote:

>>> How soon you forget as well, hypocrite.
>>> Bottom line, you suck!
>>
>> 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy forgotten. Is it my fault that
>> Microsoft Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware?
>>
>> Anyway I'm a happy Windows 8 user and the herd can kiss my ass. Just as
>> simple as that :-p
>>
>>
> LOL!! I know what you mean. Not my fault that MS is putting out good
> quality software. People will buy what works best for them. For me, I
> use win7 and VS2010 Pro. Also have an iMac that my wife now uses and
> run Solaris 10 under VMWare Fusion. The older iMac G5 I use to explore
> the older CDE/Motif programming methods. But as I posted earlier... all
> of it is getting a bit boring now.

I say use what works best for you and, if you want to be knowledgeable in
the tech world, use a verity of OSs and programs. That is why I use Linux,
Windows, and OS X... and, for example, with word processing use LibreOffice,
MS Office, Pages, and more.


--
"Actually, I would like to know from Snit exactly how watching movies of
naked people having sex is harmful to children." - Mark S Bilk

Proof: the Stallman cult is repulsive.

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
> Op 23-5-2013 20:39, schreef GreyCloud:
>
>> On 5/23/2013 11:31 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>>>
>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>>>
>>>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>>>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>>>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>>>
>>> Wrong again, Marti.
>>>
>>> How soon we forget, eh?
>>>
>>
>> How soon you forget as well, hypocrite.
>> Bottom line, you suck!
>
> 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy forgotten. Is it my fault that
> Microsoft Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware?

Nonsense. You're just another Lemming troll. Win8 is another Vista that bogs
down machines and is prone to send people fleeing to an alternative. That's once
you get past picking up the pieces of your user experience.

It's very much like the Unity based versions of Ubuntu in this regard.

--
OpenDoc is moot when Apple is your one stop iShop. |||
/ | \

[GreyCloud]

Nonsense. You're just another linux cultist that Linus Torvalds ripped
apart.
And your observations are pure bogus as well.

[Snit]

On 5/24/13 2:09 PM, in article VeidnfUWXb-5SgLM...@bresnan.com,

"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:

>>> 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy forgotten. Is it my fault that
>>> Microsoft Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware?
>>
>> Nonsense. You're just another Lemming troll. Win8 is another Vista that
>> bogs
>> down machines and is prone to send people fleeing to an alternative. That's
>> once
>> you get past picking up the pieces of your user experience.
>>
>> It's very much like the Unity based versions of Ubuntu in this regard.
>>
>
> Nonsense. You're just another linux cultist that Linus Torvalds ripped
> apart.
> And your observations are pure bogus as well.

Ubuntu is also the still the most popular distro by a pretty wide margin.

<http://bit.ly/12CfoSx>

Amazing how little the COLA "advocates" know of the Linux ecosystem.


--
"Maybe it wouldn't be quite as good, but we would all be okay."
- Richard Stallman, speaking about if his ideas were followed

[William Poaster]

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>> Op 23-5-2013 20:39, schreef GreyCloud:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2013 11:31 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>>> Op 22-5-2013 23:58, schreef William Poaster:
>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, the filthy fscks have formed their little group, in here, and
>>>>>>> they will feed and support each other. Because of this, decent people
>>>>>>> ignoring them will not cause them all to go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the idea that *the filthy fscks* where honest GNU/Linux
>>>>> advocates, who had the *audacity* to openly criticize some of the
>>>>> shortcomings in Desktop Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong again, Marti.
>>>>
>>>> How soon we forget, eh?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How soon you forget as well, hypocrite.
>>> Bottom line, you suck!
>>
>> 12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy forgotten. Is it my fault that
>> Microsoft Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware?
>
> Nonsense. You're just another Lemming troll. Win8 is another Vista that bogs
> down machines and is prone to send people fleeing to an alternative. That's once
> you get past picking up the pieces of your user experience.
>

So, "Marti" thinks that because (in *his* opinion) M$ "Windows 8 kicks the
*shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware", there aren't any *other* GNU/Linux
distros he could have changed to? Indeed many Ubuntu users have now moved
to Mint because they didn't like what Ubuntu had done, & some have
moved to Debian.....so the "12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy" *have*
been forgotten, by *him*.

> It's very much like the Unity based versions of Ubuntu in this regard.

AFAIC "Marti" is quite welcome to use his M$ Tiles8, but if he wants to
sing its praises, he can shove off to a windoze group.

--
Cats took many thousands of years to domesticate humans.

[GreyCloud]

So, when are you going to advocate for linux then? You can't.
You are just stroking the herd again and you really should be ashamed of
yourself for acting like a total dork.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, William Poaster belched this bit o' wisdom:

> So, "Marti" thinks that because (in *his* opinion) M$ "Windows 8 kicks the
> *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware", there aren't any *other* GNU/Linux
> distros he could have changed to? Indeed many Ubuntu users have now moved
> to Mint because they didn't like what Ubuntu had done, & some have
> moved to Debian.....so the "12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy" *have*
> been forgotten, by *him*.

+1

>> It's very much like the Unity based versions of Ubuntu in this regard.
>
> AFAIC "Marti" is quite welcome to use his M$ Tiles8, but if he wants to
> sing its praises, he can shove off to a windoze group.

+2

--
What was our main goal for the Internet in 1995? It was to make sure that
Microsoft software was used to do Web sites, which became the most important
type of application possible. Today the majority of all Web sites are written
using Visual Studio, running on Windows Server. We made the Windows platform
the most popular for writing Internet applications.
-- Bill Gates (21 Jun 2008)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/06/21/there-s-no-year-that-i-didn-t-love-my-job.html

[flatfish+++]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 09:50:35 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, William Poaster belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> So, "Marti" thinks that because (in *his* opinion) M$ "Windows 8 kicks the
>> *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware", there aren't any *other* GNU/Linux
>> distros he could have changed to? Indeed many Ubuntu users have now moved
>> to Mint because they didn't like what Ubuntu had done, & some have
>> moved to Debian.....so the "12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy" *have*
>> been forgotten, by *him*.
>
> +1
>
>>> It's very much like the Unity based versions of Ubuntu in this regard.
>>
>> AFAIC "Marti" is quite welcome to use his M$ Tiles8, but if he wants to
>> sing its praises, he can shove off to a windoze group.
>
> +2

lol!

What a weenie!

Watch out Chris Ahlstrom because someone might toss you on the BBQ
this memorial day weekend.

--
flatfish+++
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

[GreyCloud]

[GreyCloud]

LOL!! But who is gonna eat that tiny shriveled up thing?
I don't think they make hotdog buns that small.

[flatfish+++]

Yea.
Judging by his picture, Chris Ahlstrom is a little guy.

[chrisv]

William Poaster wrote:

>So, "Marti" thinks that because (in *his* opinion) M$ "Windows 8 kicks the
>*shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware", there aren't any *other* GNU/Linux
>distros he could have changed to?

Exactly what I was thinking - nothing but asshole behavior.

>Indeed many Ubuntu users have now moved
>to Mint because they didn't like what Ubuntu had done, & some have
>moved to Debian.....so the "12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy" *have*
>been forgotten, by *him*.

It's like he's had a Hadronectomy.

That's where they scoop-out your brains, and replace them with dog
shit.

--
'According to the "advocates" it "all just works".' - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

[-hh]

On May 24, 5:58 pm, William Poaster <w...@induh-vidual.net> wrote:
>
> So, "Marti" thinks that because (in *his* opinion) M$
> "Windows 8 kicks the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware",
> there aren't any *other* GNU/Linux > distros he could have
> changed to? Indeed many Ubuntu users have now moved
> to Mint because they didn't like what Ubuntu had done, &
> some have moved to Debian...

...and some (eg, Marti), because they've eaten enough flavors of
penguin poop to not want yet another, have even decided to move to
Windows.

> ...so the "12 years of *honest* GNU/Linux advocacy" *have*
> been forgotten, by *him*.

Or the advocacy wasn't as "*honest*" as it had been claimed to have
been, and he has simply decided to stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

> AFAIC "Marti" is quite welcome to use his M$ Tiles8, but if he
> wants to sing its praises, he can shove off to a windoze group.

Sorry, but the COLA Charter specficially calls for discussions of
Linux **in comparison** to other operating systems, and Windows
certainly qualifies as an OS.

The truth is that what you don't like about him making such
comparisons is because Linux doesn't always come out smelling like a
rose. All too often, it ends up smelling like the banal penguin
rookery from whence it was hatched.

The observation that you have a high tolerance for bullshit does not
mean that everyone else must also be such maschoistic gluttons for
punishment.

-hh

[GreyCloud]

[GreyCloud]

Well stated. I was in the same position as Marti had been in. Since I
was formally trained in VMS years ago, another VMSer should me how the
latest windows os was similar in many ways at the API level. Then I
remembered that VMS head architect was David Cutler... the one that MS
had hired to rewrite their OS. So a lot of VMS shows its roots from
time to time. Plus the fact that MS os is written by professionals and
not by volunteers that can't be held accountable.

[JEDIDIAH]

You don't even have to go that far. You can just install an alternate desktop.

[deletia]

Although those "evil alternative distros" automate that for you so you don't
have to be bothered. I think under any other set of circumstances the Fanboys
and Lemmings would be hailing that king of automation.

--
"If I give you a pfennig, you will be one pfennig richer and
I'll be one pfennig poorer. But if I give you an idea, you will |||
have a new idea, but I shall still have it, too." / | \
~ Albert Einstein

[Peter Köhlmann]

I wouldn't do that with Ubuntu.
Even with Kubuntu (for example) which comes with KDE as desktop, the
integration of KDE into the system isn't as good as with other distros
If you want to run a KDE centric system, OpenSuse would be a good choice.
Also Fedora does a decent job of integrating KDE
Ubuntu does not, in my opinion

> [deletia]
>
> Although those "evil alternative distros" automate that for you so you
> don't
> have to be bothered. I think under any other set of circumstances the
> Fanboys and Lemmings would be hailing that king of automation.
>

Well, it is actually extremely easy (even with Ubuntu) to set it up with an
alternate desktop. Just the "finetuning" (the integration) has to be done
manually to a greater extent than with other distros.

[Snit]

On 5/28/13 2:11 PM, in article ko36ah$sd4$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"

<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:

>>> So, "Marti" thinks that because (in *his* opinion) M$ "Windows 8 kicks
>>> the *shit* out of Ubuntu 13.04 crapware", there aren't any *other*
>>> GNU/Linux distros he could have changed to? Indeed many Ubuntu users have
>>> now moved
>>
>> You don't even have to go that far. You can just install an alternate
>> desktop.
>
> I wouldn't do that with Ubuntu.
> Even with Kubuntu (for example) which comes with KDE as desktop, the
> integration of KDE into the system isn't as good as with other distros

Wow. Remember a few years ago when I started speaking of how a system should
work as a system. What an infandous claim! I was told this was not how the
open source world worked... that clearly I wanted desktop Linux to be like
OS X. RonB freaked out... my complaints of how systems failed to work as
systems showed, in his eyes, unbelievable ignorance... even though he proved
himself ignorant of his own favored distro. Heck, even recently TomB has
tried to convince me that desktop Linux systems should not be seen as
systems (yeah, that makes sense... let's not think of these systems as
systems so we can better excuse their obvious challenges!).

But here we have Peter Köhlmann speaking of the importance of having things
be integrated into the system. The *system*.

He continually whines and cries and attacks and lashes out with all sorts of
nonsense about how wrong and ignorant he thinks I am ... all the while
showing signs that he is, in fact, learning from what I have been saying
with my Linux / open source advocacy in COLA. This is from the same guy
(Peter) who could not fathom why having inconsistent copy and paste behavior
in Ubuntu was a problem. Now he is getting it.

Good to see, Peter: even though you will not admit I have helped expand your
understanding of desktop Linux and desktop computing in general, you *are*
learning. Very good to see indeed!

> If you want to run a KDE centric system, OpenSuse would be a good choice.
> Also Fedora does a decent job of integrating KDE
> Ubuntu does not, in my opinion

Curious: in what way does it not. I have used Kubuntu and PCLOS and found
them both to be good KDE distros, but I tend to use Ubuntu so there may be
things I have missed. Almost surely there are.

So what examples are you thinking of. Maybe you can return the favor and
actually offer some information to educate me. I would be thankful and
appreciate.

...

--
> As for Stallman, he is a repulsive person by any standard of decency.
... standard of decency or hygiene.
-- Lusotec

[Bjørn Steensrud]

Just installed OpenSuse 12.3 on a desktop machine. A little trouble getting
the network set up properly, mainly because I thought I knew it all :-)

Tried Thunderbird, it lets me connect to my uni IMAP account. So does KMail,
but the Kubuntu version I have on the laptop still has the old bug where it
deletes message bodies from the server.

I LIKE OpenSuse - will probably switch on the laptop, too.

>> [deletia]
>>
>> Although those "evil alternative distros" automate that for you so you
>> don't
>> have to be bothered. I think under any other set of circumstances the
>> Fanboys and Lemmings would be hailing that king of automation.
>>
>
> Well, it is actually extremely easy (even with Ubuntu) to set it up with
> an alternate desktop. Just the "finetuning" (the integration) has to be
> done manually to a greater extent than with other distros.

Nah. I'll stick with KDE 4.x - works for me™ :-)