Where are the android killer apps?
KDT
Cuss and Discuss.
ZnU
<73bd4d39-83e3-4d18...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
KDT <scarf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/where_are_the_android_killer_apps
>
> Cuss and Discuss.
"In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
overclocking your devicešs CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
Every time I think I can't be any less impressed with the reality of
Android (as opposed to the constant hype), some new tidbit like this
comes along and lowers my opinion of Android further.
I think Gruber has it precisely right:
"Put another way, the iPhone is clearly in close competition against
Android handsets in the mobile phone market. But iOS, as a platform,
almost completely dominates the mobile app console market. In the
history of epic tech industry rivalries, I donšt think this situation is
similar to anything prior."
iPhones and Android phones might both get lumped together as
smartphones, and by the numbers they look like the same type of
device... but seemingly minor differences, and the larger differences in
use patterns that they cause, actually put them in subtly different
product categories.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
ed
> In article
> <73bd4d39-83e3-4d18-ab4f-d40e6e230...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/where_are_the_android_killer_apps
>
> > Cuss and Discuss.
his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
he should have an android device. ;D but:
1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
widgets. wow.
2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
comparing?
2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
category of apps
3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
(see 2a)
4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
> "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
> Every time I think I can't be any less impressed with the reality of
> Android (as opposed to the constant hype), some new tidbit like this
> comes along and lowers my opinion of Android further.
you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
time picks for android?
> I think Gruber has it precisely right:
>
> "Put another way, the iPhone is clearly in close competition against
> Android handsets in the mobile phone market. But iOS, as a platform,
> almost completely dominates the mobile app console market. In the
> history of epic tech industry rivalries, I don t think this situation is
> similar to anything prior."
i can agree with that.
> iPhones and Android phones might both get lumped together as
> smartphones, and by the numbers they look like the same type of
> device... but seemingly minor differences, and the larger differences in
> use patterns that they cause, actually put them in subtly different
> product categories.
i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
primarily interested in gaming.
Sandman
<db69a58e-c531-4465...@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > >http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/where_are_the_android_killer_apps
> >
> > > Cuss and Discuss.
>
> his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> he should have an android device.
So why isn't there a good iPod touch alternative in the android market?
> 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> widgets. wow.
Dismisses?? You sure you read it? He wrote that some of them were very
nice and said that most of the Android-exclusive apps are apps that
Apple wouldn't allow on iOS. That's a commentary on third developer
support, not dismissing any apps.
> 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
"dismisses" as "not being exclusive to android"
> 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> comparing?
So enlighten us how the android barcode scanners are superior then? I
can easily discern whether a Windows application is inferior to a Mac
application by reading its feature list, for instance.
> 2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
> category of apps
He's ignoring them because they're not exclusive to the Android. The
entire post is about him wanting to find out about exclusive apps for
Android.
> 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> (see 2a)
Eh, he mentioned Google Voice in a foot note, and says nothing about
it being "the same app".
> 4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
> snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
> opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
What other cool android-exclusive apps are there then? Lots of words
from you here that says nothing to make him wrong :)
> > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
>
> yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
I think you're just playing stupid now. Do you see the *trend of
android app development*?
> > Every time I think I can't be any less impressed with the reality of
> > Android (as opposed to the constant hype), some new tidbit like this
> > comes along and lowers my opinion of Android further.
>
> you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
> time picks for android?
I think it has something to do with the lack of lists of amazing apps
for android...
--
Sandman[.net]
KDT
> his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> he should have an android device. ;D but:
So why isn't there an Android device like the Touch -- equivalent to
the top of the line Android phone without the phone hardware? (No the
Archos devices don't cut it).
> 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> widgets. wow.
Do you really think that most people would care more about "launcher"
than the apps not available for Android?
> 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
How is that dismissive? Barcode scanning apps are a dime a dozen.
Heck, even the ruggedized devices I develop for has them :)
> 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> comparing?
"In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
overclocking your device’s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
manually managing system caches)."
These are not exactly apps that normal people would want. Does he
really need to own a device to know that the average person could care
less about these?
> 2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
> category of apps
Again, a barcoding app is not rocket science and their are plenty of
them on the app store.
> 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> (see 2a)
And he said that Google's first party apps are pretty good.
---------
From my time spent with the Nexus One early this year, I know that
Google’s Android apps are pretty good. These include both the core
system apps, and the closed-source “Google Experience” apps like the
dedicated Gmail client and Google Maps.
That’s not to say there’s nothing in Android, as a system, that
appeals to iPhone owners. Built-in turn-by-turn navigation on certain
models. A system-wide notification system. Widgets on the homescreen."
------
I agree with him -- Apple's notification system sucks, badly, My iPod
Touch (and the iPhone) is definitely a better media player and a
better app platform, but Android's notification system makes using an
always connected device *much* better since I usually have two
different mail accounts (personal and ActiveSync), Yahoo messenger,
GTalk, text messages, calendars (Google's and ActiveSync). voice
mail, etc.
> 4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
> snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
> opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
That's why he's not basing it "on his opinion"....
----
Two weeks ago, TechCrunch ran a feature by Alex Ahlund: “Top 30
Android Apps of All Time”. (Ahlund seems well-credentialed to assemble
such a list; he ran the Android app directory AndroidApps.)
------
He also didn't say SNesnoid was the only interesting game. He said
that was the only one on the list that wasn't a direct port of an iOS
game or a clone of an iOS game. A "killer app" by definition is an
app that would get people to shell out for one platform over the
other. A game that is available for both, wouldn't qualift.
>
> > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
>
> yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
Would most normal non-Geeks care about those apps? He didn't say that
*he* didn't like it. His question is would those apps be appealing to
a regular Joe?
>
> > Every time I think I can't be any less impressed with the reality of
> > Android (as opposed to the constant hype), some new tidbit like this
> > comes along and lowers my opinion of Android further.
>
> you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
> time picks for android?
Yes and that dude runs "AndroidApps" a popular website about Android
apps.
> > iPhones and Android phones might both get lumped together as
> > smartphones, and by the numbers they look like the same type of
> > device... but seemingly minor differences, and the larger differences in
> > use patterns that they cause, actually put them in subtly different
> > product categories.
>
> i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
> primarily interested in gaming.
How so? You've agreed in the past that the Android app market
(lowercase a and m -- not the Google store) is not as mature as the
iOS app market.
ZnU
> On Nov 19, 7:23 pm, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <73bd4d39-83e3-4d18-ab4f-d40e6e230...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/where_are_the_android_killer_apps
> >
> > > Cuss and Discuss.
>
> his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> he should have an android device. ;D but:
> 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> widgets. wow.
He's looking for "killer apps" -- apps so good, you buy the platform to
get them. Utility apps like launchers or "Advanced Task Manager" can't
possibly be killer apps, because they don't do anything the user
directly cares about. Nobody buys into a platform because they really
enjoy killing processes. (Though to hear the geeks go on about Android,
you might think otherwise.)
> 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
Are you saying it doesn't?
> 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> comparing?
> 2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
> category of apps
Not relevant to his point.
> 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> (see 2a)
> 4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
> snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
> opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
That list of Android games looks like it's fairly representative of
what's out there for Android -- ports and knockoffs of some iOS games,
and a bunch of junk. Are you claiming there are a large number of
extremely compelling Android-only games? Name them.
[snip]
> > iPhones and Android phones might both get lumped together as
> > smartphones, and by the numbers they look like the same type of
> > device... but seemingly minor differences, and the larger differences in
> > use patterns that they cause, actually put them in subtly different
> > product categories.
>
> i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
> primarily interested in gaming.
You mean the number one application category for mobile devices?
ed
> In article
> <db69a58e-c531-4465-ac97-ceccf77fe...@v20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > >http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/where_are_the_android_killer_apps
>
> > > > Cuss and Discuss.
>
> > his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> > he should have an android device.
>
> So why isn't there a good iPod touch alternative in the android market?
i suspect you don't think *anything*, especially android based, would
be a 'good ipod touch alternative,' eh? :P but there are none phone
android handsets. the high end ones aren't available in the u.s. yet
though.
> > 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> > out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> > killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> > dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> > widgets. wow.
>
> Dismisses?? You sure you read it? He wrote that some of them were very
> nice and said that most of the Android-exclusive apps are apps that
> Apple wouldn't allow on iOS. That's a commentary on third developer
> support, not dismissing any apps.
it's dismissive as he's basically saying that because apple doesn't
want it he's not even going to consider it for his where's the killer
app category.
> > 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> > equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
>
> "dismisses" as "not being exclusive to android"
no, that's not why he dismisses it.
> > 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> > comparing?
>
> So enlighten us how the android barcode scanners are superior then?
i'm not saying they are- i'm saying that the author doesn't really
know, does he? :P
> I
> can easily discern whether a Windows application is inferior to a Mac
> application by reading its feature list, for instance.
>
> > 2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
> > category of apps
>
> He's ignoring them because they're not exclusive to the Android. The
> entire post is about him wanting to find out about exclusive apps for
> Android.
>
> > 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> > actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> > (see 2a)
>
> Eh, he mentioned Google Voice in a foot note, and says nothing about
> it being "the same app".
it's not mentioned by name, but it's on of the free apps he dismissed
in the top free apps category by saying it's available for ios.
> > 4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
> > snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
> > opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
>
> What other cool android-exclusive apps are there then? Lots of words
> from you here that says nothing to make him wrong :)
the killer apps for android:
a couple of the google apps, which are superior on android:
- google voice (as on android).
- google maps
swype
not a 'killer' app, but awesome:
winamp - wifi sync. woohoo.
> > > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > > overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > > manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
>
> > yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> > the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
>
> I think you're just playing stupid now. Do you see the *trend of
> android app development*?
the list shows no trends for android development- it shows what the
author of the article thinks are the top apps.
> > > Every time I think I can't be any less impressed with the reality of
> > > Android (as opposed to the constant hype), some new tidbit like this
> > > comes along and lowers my opinion of Android further.
>
> > you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
> > time picks for android?
>
> I think it has something to do with the lack of lists of amazing apps
> for android...
and the list is... one dude's opinions.
ed
> On Nov 20, 2:24 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
> > his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> > he should have an android device. ;D but:
>
> So why isn't there an Android device like the Touch -- equivalent to
> the top of the line Android phone without the phone hardware? (No the
> Archos devices don't cut it).
there are. just not in the u.s. yet.
> > 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> > out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> > killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> > dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> > widgets. wow.
>
> Do you really think that most people would care more about "launcher"
> than the apps not available for Android?
nope. swype is impressive though.
and fwiw most people wouldn't care about setcpu, task manager, etc,
which is in the top 30 list which the daringfireball article
criticizes- which goes to one of my main points- the list is just one
guy's opinion.
> > 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> > equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
>
> How is that dismissive? Barcode scanning apps are a dime a dozen.
> Heck, even the ruggedized devices I develop for has them :)
>
> > 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> > comparing?
>
> "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> overclocking your device’s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> manually managing system caches)."
>
> These are not exactly apps that normal people would want. Does he
> really need to own a device to know that the average person could care
> less about these?
addressed elsewhere- the list is just one guy's opinion. HE cares
and likes them. no, the average person probably doesn't (except for
home screen widgets), but that's not really the point of the article-
it's what HE thinks is awesome.
> > 2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
> > category of apps
>
> Again, a barcoding app is not rocket science and their are plenty of
> them on the app store.
>
> > 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> > actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> > (see 2a)
>
> And he said that Google's first party apps are pretty good.
yup, but he dismisses the top 5 free apps for android (of which google
voice is one) as being available on iphone. but really, google voice
on iphone isn't really the same. hey, remember how he dismissed the
barcode scanner as probably having a superior version in ios store
(even though he doesn't know)? well, google voice IS superior on
android, but he just lumps it in as the same app being available on
ios. see the problem i have with that statement?
<snip>
> > 4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
> > snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
> > opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
>
> That's why he's not basing it "on his opinion"....
> ----
> Two weeks ago, TechCrunch ran a feature by Alex Ahlund: “Top 30
> Android Apps of All Time”. (Ahlund seems well-credentialed to assemble
> such a list; he ran the Android app directory AndroidApps.)
> ------
? i'm not sure how you think comparing what he likes with what someone
else likes makes the only game app (on someone else's list) he likes
not based on his opinion? not that it's relevant anyways.
<snip>
> > > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > > overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > > manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
>
> > yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> > the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
>
> Would most normal non-Geeks care about those apps?
which, again, doesn't matter- it's a list of what the author of the
list likes. not anything more.
> He didn't say that
> *he* didn't like it. His question is would those apps be appealing to
> a regular Joe?
and the author of the list isn't a regular joe, which is why the list
comes out as it does! get it yet? :D
> > > Every time I think I can't be any less impressed with the reality of
> > > Android (as opposed to the constant hype), some new tidbit like this
> > > comes along and lowers my opinion of Android further.
>
> > you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
> > time picks for android?
>
> Yes and that dude runs "AndroidApps" a popular website about Android
> apps.
i had actually never heard of it. and hey, look, it's not actually
that popular- a whopping 3800 hits a day (alexa)
http://valuethewebsite.com/www.androidapps.com
> > > iPhones and Android phones might both get lumped together as
> > > smartphones, and by the numbers they look like the same type of
> > > device... but seemingly minor differences, and the larger differences in
> > > use patterns that they cause, actually put them in subtly different
> > > product categories.
>
> > i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
> > primarily interested in gaming.
>
> How so? You've agreed in the past that the Android app market
> (lowercase a and m -- not the Google store) is not as mature as the
> iOS app market.
i'm not sure how you think that's incompatible with the devices being
in the same product category?
ed
> ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 19, 7:23 pm, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <73bd4d39-83e3-4d18-ab4f-d40e6e230...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >http://daringfireball.net/2010/11/where_are_the_android_killer_apps
>
> > > > Cuss and Discuss.
>
> > his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> > he should have an android device. ;D but:
> > 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> > out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> > killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> > dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> > widgets. wow.
>
> He's looking for "killer apps" -- apps so good, you buy the platform to
> get them. Utility apps like launchers or "Advanced Task Manager" can't
> possibly be killer apps, because they don't do anything the user
> directly cares about. Nobody buys into a platform because they really
> enjoy killing processes. (Though to hear the geeks go on about Android,
> you might think otherwise.)
swype and widgets can be though. i probably wouldn't have put swype
in the category, but i have a couple coworkers who've moved to android
after using swype on my phone. and i was moving to android anyways,
but i did specifically pick a phone w/ swype preinstalled after seeing
a friend's droid with it...
> > 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> > equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
>
> Are you saying it doesn't?
i'm saying he doesn't know.
> > 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> > comparing?
> > 2b- he's ignoring that barcode scanner basically started this entire
> > category of apps
>
> Not relevant to his point.
>
> > 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> > actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> > (see 2a)
> > 4- he talks about the only game app being appealing to him being the
> > snes emulator. that's fine, as the list is simply someone else's
> > opinion. it'd be a boring ass world if everyone agreed on everything.
>
> That list of Android games looks like it's fairly representative of
> what's out there for Android -- ports and knockoffs of some iOS games,
> and a bunch of junk. Are you claiming there are a large number of
> extremely compelling Android-only games? Name them.
i'm not claiming any such thing. i'm claiming that the fact that only
one android exclusive game on the list appeals to him is almost
irrelevant, especially when the list he's looking at isn't even of
android exclusives.
> > > iPhones and Android phones might both get lumped together as
> > > smartphones, and by the numbers they look like the same type of
> > > device... but seemingly minor differences, and the larger differences in
> > > use patterns that they cause, actually put them in subtly different
> > > product categories.
>
> > i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
> > primarily interested in gaming.
>
> You mean the number one application category for mobile devices?
i'm pretty certain that doesn't mean that's most iphone users primary
interest. i could be wrong- convince me.
KDT
> On Nov 20, 9:45 am, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> > > out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> > > killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> > > dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> > > widgets. wow.
>
> > Do you really think that most people would care more about "launcher"
> > than the apps not available for Android?
>
> nope. swype is impressive though.
>
> and fwiw most people wouldn't care about setcpu, task manager, etc,
> which is in the top 30 list which the daringfireball article
> criticizes- which goes to one of my main points- the list is just one
> guy's opinion.
Okay, right now on the Google App Market, the top 10 paid apps are:
1. Picsay Pro - Photo Editor
2. MyBackup Pro -- which doesn't work as well or as seamlessly as
iTunes
3. Documents to Go
4. SetCPU -- This wasn't someone's "opinion" of the top app. This is
actually one of the top paid apps right now.
5. Talking Tom Cat
6. Weather Widget
7. Rom Manager Premium -- another Geek app
8. Sound Hound -- a music recognition app -- nothing that doesn't
exist on the iPhone
9. Vignette -- don't know what this is the description sucks
10 Gentle alarm -- an alarm clock app
On iTunes the top 10 paid apps are:
http://www.apple.com/itunes/charts/paid-apps/
Do you really think that there is any comparison?
> > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > overclocking your device’s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > manually managing system caches)."
>
> > These are not exactly apps that normal people would want. Does he
> > really need to own a device to know that the average person could care
> > less about these?
>
> addressed elsewhere- the list is just one guy's opinion. HE cares
> and likes them. no, the average person probably doesn't (except for
> home screen widgets), but that's not really the point of the article-
> it's what HE thinks is awesome.
Root CPU is a top paid app in the Android market (I just checked from
my phone)-- not his opinion. ATC is also a top paid app as is "Droid
X Recovery Boot strap" Are you really prepared to argue that the
quality of the top 100 paid apps on the Android market are comparable
to the top 100 paid apps on iTunes? Can you honestly say that the
average user would look at the top 100 apps on the Android market and
be remotely impressed?
(On a completely unrelated note, just noticed that there is an iTunes
remote app that emulates the Apple iTunes Remote app -- that's cool)
> yup, but he dismisses the top 5 free apps for android (of which google
> voice is one) as being available on iphone. but really, google voice
> on iphone isn't really the same. hey, remember how he dismissed the
> barcode scanner as probably having a superior version in ios store
> (even though he doesn't know)?
It's a barcode scanner. I have it installed on my phone. Do you
really want to argue that is an impressive "killer app"?
> well, google voice IS superior on
> android, but he just lumps it in as the same app being available on
> ios. see the problem i have with that statement?
And he also already said that the Google apps were impressive
elsewhere.
> > > > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > > > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > > > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > > > overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > > > manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
>
> > > yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> > > the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
>
> > Would most normal non-Geeks care about those apps?
>
> which, again, doesn't matter- it's a list of what the author of the
> list likes. not anything more.
The various geek utility apps are in the top paid apps. His premise
was that the top apps on Android wouldn't appeal to normal people.
> and the author of the list isn't a regular joe, which is why the list
> comes out as it does! get it yet? :D
So are all the people that make these apps "top paid apps" regular
Joes?
> > > i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
> > > primarily interested in gaming.
>
> > How so? You've agreed in the past that the Android app market
> > (lowercase a and m -- not the Google store) is not as mature as the
> > iOS app market.
>
> i'm not sure how you think that's incompatible with the devices being
> in the same product category?
I'm not parsing this -- explain.
Sandman
<a542fdcb-5495-4469...@s16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > his gut instinct is right- if he wants to stay up to date on android,
> > > he should have an android device.
> >
> > So why isn't there a good iPod touch alternative in the android market?
>
> i suspect you don't think *anything*, especially android based, would
> be a 'good ipod touch alternative,' eh? :P
Maybe, what are my alternatives?
> > > 1- it's interesting what he does, almost totally dismisses everything
> > > out of hand that apple doesn't allow you to do in saying there's no
> > > killer apps for android, because apple doesn't want it, thereby
> > > dismissing apps like swype, all launcher replacements, and all
> > > widgets. wow.
> >
> > Dismisses?? You sure you read it? He wrote that some of them were very
> > nice and said that most of the Android-exclusive apps are apps that
> > Apple wouldn't allow on iOS. That's a commentary on third developer
> > support, not dismissing any apps.
>
> it's dismissive as he's basically saying that because apple doesn't
> want it he's not even going to consider it for his where's the killer
> app category.
Then you have a reading comprehension problem. That's not what he's
saying at all.
> > > 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> > > equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
> >
> > "dismisses" as "not being exclusive to android"
>
> no, that's not why he dismisses it.
The second part is not offered as a reason for the first part in the
sentence above.
> > > 2a- let's keep in mind he doesn't have an android device, so how's he
> > > comparing?
> >
> > So enlighten us how the android barcode scanners are superior then?
>
> i'm not saying they are- i'm saying that the author doesn't really
> know, does he? :P
Empty commentary from ed once again - failing to actually show that
the author doesn't really know, which is the claim.
> > > 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> > > actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> > > (see 2a)
> >
> > Eh, he mentioned Google Voice in a foot note, and says nothing about
> > it being "the same app".
>
> it's not mentioned by name, but it's on of the free apps he dismissed
> in the top free apps category by saying it's available for ios.
Which, of course, it is.
> > What other cool android-exclusive apps are there then? Lots of words
> > from you here that says nothing to make him wrong :)
>
> the killer apps for android:
> a couple of the google apps, which are superior on android:
> - google voice (as on android).
> - google maps
> swype
He did mention these.
> not a 'killer' app, but awesome:
> winamp - wifi sync. woohoo.
Isn't Winamp a mp3 player?
Wifi sync rocks, though.
But was this seriously your list of cool android-exclusive apps?? I'm
not trying to make fun of you here, but I seriously hope there can be
made a much much much lengthier list than, eh, two.
> > > yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> > > the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
> >
> > I think you're just playing stupid now. Do you see the *trend of
> > android app development*?
>
> the list shows no trends for android development- it shows what the
> author of the article thinks are the top apps.
*rolleye* No one is as blind as the one who refuses to see.
> > > you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
> > > time picks for android?
> >
> > I think it has something to do with the lack of lists of amazing apps
> > for android...
>
> and the list is... one dude's opinions.
And the lists of amazing android-exclusive apps... are nowhere to be
seen. You, a android advocate in an advocacy group when directly asked
could amass the amazing number of two apps - one being an alternate
text input method.
--
Sandman[.net]
KDT
> > > 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> > > equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
>
> > Are you saying it doesn't?
>
> i'm saying he doesn't know.
Well I do know, *it's a freaking bar code scanner*. It scans barcodes
-- nothing more nothing less.
> > That list of Android games looks like it's fairly representative of
> > what's out there for Android -- ports and knockoffs of some iOS games,
> > and a bunch of junk. Are you claiming there are a large number of
> > extremely compelling Android-only games? Name them.
>
> i'm not claiming any such thing. i'm claiming that the fact that only
> one android exclusive game on the list appeals to him is almost
> irrelevant, especially when the list he's looking at isn't even of
> android exclusives.
Okay, name 10 Android exclusive games that would impress the average
consumer.
> > You mean the number one application category for mobile devices?
>
> i'm pretty certain that doesn't mean that's most iphone users primary
> interest. i could be wrong- convince me.
Numbers tell the tell. It's predicted that by the end of the year
more apps will be downloaded from iTunes than songs -- so it's not
music. So what do you think most users primary reason for getting an
iPhone? Because they love AT&T network? Obviously with the large
documented disparity between iPhone app sells and Android app sells
and considering that Android outsells iPhones, apps must be important.
And just another data point.
ed
the number 1 app on the itunes store is angry birds, which is
available for android, but is, of course, free. cut the rope is
coming to android, and fruit ninja is there already, but because it's
not in a top 10 list, it doesn't count or something? and does the
fact that i find the only ios exclusive on the list to be rage mean
anything? ;D
> > > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > > overclocking your device’s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > > manually managing system caches)."
>
> > > These are not exactly apps that normal people would want. Does he
> > > really need to own a device to know that the average person could care
> > > less about these?
>
> > addressed elsewhere- the list is just one guy's opinion. HE cares
> > and likes them. no, the average person probably doesn't (except for
> > home screen widgets), but that's not really the point of the article-
> > it's what HE thinks is awesome.
>
> Root CPU is a top paid app in the Android market (I just checked from
> my phone)-- not his opinion.
the list is his opinion of the top apps. i'm not sure why you think
that because google's algorithms agree it's a top app somehow means
it's not his opinion- please explain.
> ATC is also a top paid app as is "Droid
> X Recovery Boot strap" Are you really prepared to argue that the
> quality of the top 100 paid apps on the Android market are comparable
> to the top 100 paid apps on iTunes? Can you honestly say that the
> average user would look at the top 100 apps on the Android market and
> be remotely impressed?
nope. i also don't think that the average user would be impressed by
more than a handful of apps in the ios top 100 market. it's not like
everyone's going "yeeeaaaaah, skeeball," eh? :D
...
> > yup, but he dismisses the top 5 free apps for android (of which google
> > voice is one) as being available on iphone. but really, google voice
> > on iphone isn't really the same. hey, remember how he dismissed the
> > barcode scanner as probably having a superior version in ios store
> > (even though he doesn't know)?
>
> It's a barcode scanner. I have it installed on my phone. Do you
> really want to argue that is an impressive "killer app"?
didn't suggest such. but to dismiss it by saying that there's
probably something as good or better when he has no way of knowing?
> > well, google voice IS superior on
> > android, but he just lumps it in as the same app being available on
> > ios. see the problem i have with that statement?
>
> And he also already said that the Google apps were impressive
> elsewhere.
and still tossed it out of the top free list as being available on
ios, even though it's not the same. but to be fair, he probably just
doesn't know it's not the same, eh? :D
> > > > > "In the paid list, Android exclusives include Root Explorer (a file
> > > > > system manager), Advanced Task Manager (a process monitor/killer), a
> > > > > collection of home screen widgets, SetCPU for Root Users (a hack for
> > > > > overclocking your device s CPU), and CacheMate for Root Users (for
> > > > > manually managing system caches). Spot a trend?"
>
> > > > yes, i see a trend- he doesn't like the same things as the author of
> > > > the list. nothing wrong with that. ;D
>
> > > Would most normal non-Geeks care about those apps?
>
> > which, again, doesn't matter- it's a list of what the author of the
> > list likes. not anything more.
>
> The various geek utility apps are in the top paid apps. His premise
> was that the top apps on Android wouldn't appeal to normal people.
no, he's actually (explicitly) questioning the strength and support of
android's 3rd party developer support; he makes no mention of "normal"
people, however you want to define that.
...
> > > > i'm pretty sure i disagree with that with one big caveat- if you're
> > > > primarily interested in gaming.
>
> > > How so? You've agreed in the past that the Android app market
> > > (lowercase a and m -- not the Google store) is not as mature as the
> > > iOS app market.
>
> > i'm not sure how you think that's incompatible with the devices being
> > in the same product category?
>
> I'm not parsing this -- explain.
1- znu is saying that android and iphone devices are actually in
slightly different product categories.
2- i said i largely disagreed.
3- you ask how so, given that i've previously said that the android
app market is not as mature as the ios app market
4- i ask you why you think 2 and 3 are incompatible- i can (and do)
believe the two positions are not incompatible.
ed
...
> > > > 3- he talks of google voice having the same app on ios- but it's
> > > > actually not. google voice on android is much better integrated.
> > > > (see 2a)
>
> > > Eh, he mentioned Google Voice in a foot note, and says nothing about
> > > it being "the same app".
>
> > it's not mentioned by name, but it's on of the free apps he dismissed
> > in the top free apps category by saying it's available for ios.
>
> Which, of course, it is.
but is it meaningful to say it's also available for another platform
when it's not the same?
> > > What other cool android-exclusive apps are there then? Lots of words
> > > from you here that says nothing to make him wrong :)
>
> > the killer apps for android:
> > a couple of the google apps, which are superior on android:
> > - google voice (as on android).
> > - google maps
> > swype
>
> He did mention these.
>
> > not a 'killer' app, but awesome:
> > winamp - wifi sync. woohoo.
>
> Isn't Winamp a mp3 player?
>
> Wifi sync rocks, though.
>
> But was this seriously your list of cool android-exclusive apps?? I'm
> not trying to make fun of you here, but I seriously hope there can be
> made a much much much lengthier list than, eh, two.
no, that's not my list of android exclusive cool apps- it's a list of
apps that are at least close to the killer app category (off the top
of my head). what do you consider a ios killer app?
<snip>
> > > > you're less impressed because of one dude's opinion of the top all
> > > > time picks for android?
>
> > > I think it has something to do with the lack of lists of amazing apps
> > > for android...
>
> > and the list is... one dude's opinions.
>
> And the lists of amazing android-exclusive apps... are nowhere to be
> seen. You, a android advocate in an advocacy group when directly asked
> could amass the amazing number of two apps - one being an alternate
> text input method.
i'm not an android advocate- here, i mostly like to point out how kdt
is obsessive and / or wrong about it. :D i do like android though
(as i like ios, webos, and even the old winmo. haven't had good hands
on time with the new winmo).
ed
> On Nov 20, 7:27 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > That list of Android games looks like it's fairly representative of
> > > what's out there for Android -- ports and knockoffs of some iOS games,
> > > and a bunch of junk. Are you claiming there are a large number of
> > > extremely compelling Android-only games? Name them.
>
> > i'm not claiming any such thing. i'm claiming that the fact that only
> > one android exclusive game on the list appeals to him is almost
> > irrelevant, especially when the list he's looking at isn't even of
> > android exclusives.
>
> Okay, name 10 Android exclusive games that would impress the average
> consumer.
i'm not sure what the average consumer is, but i have no problem
saying that i probably can't name 10 that would "impress" me. but
then again, looking at the list of top ios apps, i don't see 10 ios
exclusive games that "impress" me either. ooooh, skeeball, cut the
rope, star wars tower defense, etc, etc. not saying they're not good
and fun games, but "impressive"? rage seems impressive... if you
want to consider it a ios exclusive - just what ARE we counting as
exclusive here?- even though rage is on other platforms, and this is a
stripped down version.
> > > You mean the number one application category for mobile devices?
>
> > i'm pretty certain that doesn't mean that's most iphone users primary
> > interest. i could be wrong- convince me.
>
> Numbers tell the tell. It's predicted that by the end of the year
> more apps will be downloaded from iTunes than songs -- so it's not
> music. So what do you think most users primary reason for getting an
> iPhone? Because they love AT&T network? Obviously with the large
> documented disparity between iPhone app sells and Android app sells
> and considering that Android outsells iPhones, apps must be important.
>
> And just another data point.
>
> http://scobleizer.com/2010/11/20/is-the-tech-press-needed-anymore-how...
that doesn't convince me that's the primary interest of those who buy
the phones. i buy a smartphone primarily for these functions (in
order of priority):
- voice and sms/mms communication (lumped together as even any
dumbphone can do it (well, it took iphone a while for mms :P ))
- email communications
- generally ubiquitous data
- media player
and the quantity of apps i've downloaded... don't reflect those
priorities at all. i have downloaded some apps that enhance /
complement the default apps in those categories - google voice,
handcent,wifi tether, winamp are the main 4 (out of 6 (i also use
last.fm and tunewiki for streaming media (winamp is adding shoutcast,
which means that tunewiki might go though)) that i have added (out of
68 total downloaded apps).
Sandman
<78ebe2db-51f6-4f15...@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > it's not mentioned by name, but it's on of the free apps he dismissed
> > > in the top free apps category by saying it's available for ios.
> >
> > Which, of course, it is.
>
> but is it meaningful to say it's also available for another platform
> when it's not the same?
Google Voice on Android is a barcode scanner? Google Maps on android
is in reality Lego Indiana Jones? What point are you making here that
is relevant to the discussion of exclusive killer apps for Android?
Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different? TBT
navigation in Google Maps that is somehow vastly different than the
TBT apps in iOS?
> > > not a 'killer' app, but awesome:
> > > winamp - wifi sync. woohoo.
> >
> > Isn't Winamp a mp3 player?
> >
> > Wifi sync rocks, though.
> >
> > But was this seriously your list of cool android-exclusive apps?? I'm
> > not trying to make fun of you here, but I seriously hope there can be
> > made a much much much lengthier list than, eh, two.
>
> no, that's not my list of android exclusive cool apps- it's a list of
> apps that are at least close to the killer app category (off the top
> of my head). what do you consider a ios killer app?
I don't know where you got the phrase "iOS killer app" from? I was
sort of questioning your list as anything representative as being
"cool android-exclusive apps". I was hoping this wasn't the actual
list and you had a more complete list you wanted to share with us?
> > And the lists of amazing android-exclusive apps... are nowhere to be
> > seen. You, a android advocate in an advocacy group when directly asked
> > could amass the amazing number of two apps - one being an alternate
> > text input method.
>
> i'm not an android advocate
Eh? You're the only android advocate in this group.
> here, i mostly like to point out how kdt
> is obsessive and / or wrong about it. :D
Let us know when you're going to start :)
> i do like android though (as i like ios, webos, and even the old
> winmo. haven't had good hands on time with the new winmo).
But as being someone who "likes" android, you could only scrape
together two (2) "cool android-exclusive apps" for us? I respectfully
request that you give it another go, and perhaps not make Android look
like a barren wasteland of barcode scanners and ringtone apps here.
This is your chance, come on and grab it!
--
Sandman[.net]
ed
> ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > it's not mentioned by name, but it's on of the free apps he dismissed
> > > > in the top free apps category by saying it's available for ios.
>
> > > Which, of course, it is.
>
> > but is it meaningful to say it's also available for another platform
> > when it's not the same?
>
> Google Voice on Android is a barcode scanner? Google Maps on android
> is in reality Lego Indiana Jones? What point are you making here that
> is relevant to the discussion of exclusive killer apps for Android?
uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
> Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different?
yes! for example, i have it set up so that when i dial (with my
regular ol' dialer), all international calls get routed through google
voice, while all regular calls get routed regularly. for someone like
me who dials internationally all the time, that IS killer. no fuss,
no muss.
> TBT
> navigation in Google Maps that is somehow vastly different than the
> TBT apps in iOS?
it certainly makes if vastly different than google maps on ios. and
it's not 'vastly' different than other tbt apps, but being that the
tbt apps aren't cheap, being free might certainly help bump it into
the 'killer' category for some.
> > > > not a 'killer' app, but awesome:
> > > > winamp - wifi sync. woohoo.
>
> > > Isn't Winamp a mp3 player?
>
> > > Wifi sync rocks, though.
>
> > > But was this seriously your list of cool android-exclusive apps?? I'm
> > > not trying to make fun of you here, but I seriously hope there can be
> > > made a much much much lengthier list than, eh, two.
>
> > no, that's not my list of android exclusive cool apps- it's a list of
> > apps that are at least close to the killer app category (off the top
> > of my head). what do you consider a ios killer app?
>
> I don't know where you got the phrase "iOS killer app" from?
i'm asking you.
> I was
> sort of questioning your list as anything representative as being
> "cool android-exclusive apps". I was hoping this wasn't the actual
> list and you had a more complete list you wanted to share with us?
>
> > > And the lists of amazing android-exclusive apps... are nowhere to be
> > > seen. You, a android advocate in an advocacy group when directly asked
> > > could amass the amazing number of two apps - one being an alternate
> > > text input method.
>
> > i'm not an android advocate
>
> Eh? You're the only android advocate in this group.
sorry, no. i'm fine with everyone picking out what's best for them.
you know, like kdt picking android for his phone. ;D
> > here, i mostly like to point out how kdt
> > is obsessive and / or wrong about it. :D
>
> Let us know when you're going to start :)
or, he's wrong plenty, and i've pointed it out. ;D
> > i do like android though (as i like ios, webos, and even the old
> > winmo. haven't had good hands on time with the new winmo).
>
> But as being someone who "likes" android, you could only scrape
> together two (2) "cool android-exclusive apps" for us? I respectfully
> request that you give it another go, and perhaps not make Android look
> like a barren wasteland of barcode scanners and ringtone apps here.
> This is your chance, come on and grab it!
frankly, i have no idea whether most of the apps i have on my phone
are android exclusive and which aren't- and it really makes no
difference to me. i will tell you what tipped ME into choosing
android:
- google voice integration. that's it.
swype tipped me towards specific devices.
just about everything else, i would have been ok with any of ios,
winmo, or android.
KDT
> i suspect you don't think *anything*, especially android based, would
> be a 'good ipod touch alternative,' eh? :P but there are none phone
> android handsets. the high end ones aren't available in the u.s. yet
> though.
You know he meant by an "iPod Touch alternative", he meant with the
hardware equivalent of a high end Android phone (i,e. Evo, Droid X,
etc) without the 3G+GSM hardware for $220 (the price of an 8GB Touch)
unsubsidized.
>
> it's dismissive as he's basically saying that because apple doesn't
> want it he's not even going to consider it for his where's the killer
> app category.
>
> > > 2- in the free list, he dismisses barcode scanner as having
> > > equivalent, if not superior ios versions.
>
> > "dismisses" as "not being exclusive to android"
>
> no, that's not why he dismisses it.
His whole article was about a "killer app" that was only available for
Android.
> > So enlighten us how the android barcode scanners are superior then?
>
> i'm not saying they are- i'm saying that the author doesn't really
> know, does he? :P
It's not hard to surmise the functionality of a barcode scanner......
> > I think it has something to do with the lack of lists of amazing apps
> > for android...
>
> and the list is... one dude's opinions.
Okay, what's your list?
ed
> On Nov 20, 7:05 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
> > i suspect you don't think *anything*, especially android based, would
> > be a 'good ipod touch alternative,' eh? :P but there are none phone
> > android handsets. the high end ones aren't available in the u.s. yet
> > though.
>
> You know he meant by an "iPod Touch alternative", he meant with the
> hardware equivalent of a high end Android phone (i,e. Evo, Droid X,
> etc) without the 3G+GSM hardware for $220 (the price of an 8GB Touch)
> unsubsidized.
yeah. and as i said, they exist (galaxy s player), but aren't
available in the u.s. yet (so one obviously couldn't compare the
pricing).
<snip>
> > > I think it has something to do with the lack of lists of amazing apps
> > > for android...
>
> > and the list is... one dude's opinions.
>
> Okay, what's your list?
for me, the killer app is google voice.
what's your 'killer app' for ios?
KDT
> On Nov 22, 7:35 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>
> uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
> ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
Okay, I have Google maps running right now on both my Touch and my
Hero. What's the substantial difference?
>
> > Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different?
>
> yes! for example, i have it set up so that when i dial (with my
> regular ol' dialer), all international calls get routed through google
> voice, while all regular calls get routed regularly. for someone like
> me who dials internationally all the time, that IS killer. no fuss,
> no muss.
>
And you click on GV app and you do the same thing with the iPhone
version.....
>
> it certainly makes if vastly different than google maps on ios. and
> it's not 'vastly' different than other tbt apps, but being that the
> tbt apps aren't cheap, being free might certainly help bump it into
> the 'killer' category for some.
And MapQuest has a free navigation app for the iPhone.....
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D2
> > > here, i mostly like to point out how kdt
> > > is obsessive and / or wrong about it. :D
>
> > Let us know when you're going to start :)
>
> or, he's wrong plenty, and i've pointed it out. ;D
You mean how you swore me up and down how I was wrong about cell
phones using cell towers to speed up GPS satellite acquisitions, or
about the disparity between iPhone app sales and Android app sales, or
about exactly how horrible the Android App Market (capital A and M
this time) truly is.....
Or how fragmentation isn't a problem even now that Rovio and Netflix
came out saying it was....
KDT
Okay, Android based phones and iPhones do that equally well (except
for the media player, the iPhone is much better). So all that being
equal. What's left but the apps?
ed
> On Nov 22, 11:20 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 7:35 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>
> > uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
> > ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
>
> Okay, I have Google maps running right now on both my Touch and my
> Hero. What's the substantial difference?
the big one is spoken turn by turn, unless that showed up sometime
recently.
> > > Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different?
>
> > yes! for example, i have it set up so that when i dial (with my
> > regular ol' dialer), all international calls get routed through google
> > voice, while all regular calls get routed regularly. for someone like
> > me who dials internationally all the time, that IS killer. no fuss,
> > no muss.
>
> And you click on GV app and you do the same thing with the iPhone
> version.....
which is not the same. clean integration and ease of use- you know,
some of the hallmarks of macs (and you know, less confusing for users
according to apple. :P ).
> > it certainly makes if vastly different than google maps on ios. and
> > it's not 'vastly' different than other tbt apps, but being that the
> > tbt apps aren't cheap, being free might certainly help bump it into
> > the 'killer' category for some.
>
> And MapQuest has a free navigation app for the iPhone.....
>
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8&ign...
apparently it doesn't even automatically rereoute.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363182,00.asp
<snip>
ed
> On Nov 22, 3:06 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > You mean the number one application category for mobile devices?
>
> > > > i'm pretty certain that doesn't mean that's most iphone users primary
> > > > interest. i could be wrong- convince me.
>
> > > Numbers tell the tell. It's predicted that by the end of the year
> > > more apps will be downloaded from iTunes than songs -- so it's not
> > > music. So what do you think most users primary reason for getting an
> > > iPhone? Because they love AT&T network? Obviously with the large
> > > documented disparity between iPhone app sells and Android app sells
> > > and considering that Android outsells iPhones, apps must be important.
>
> > > And just another data point.
>
> > >http://scobleizer.com/2010/11/20/is-the-tech-press-needed-anymore-how...
>
> > that doesn't convince me that's the primary interest of those who buy
> > the phones. i buy a smartphone primarily for these functions (in
> > order of priority):
> > - voice and sms/mms communication (lumped together as even any
> > dumbphone can do it (well, it took iphone a while for mms :P ))
> > - email communications
> > - generally ubiquitous data
> > - media player
>
> Okay, Android based phones and iPhones do that equally well (except
> for the media player, the iPhone is much better). So all that being
> equal. What's left but the apps?
pay attention- i didn't say it wasn't apps. i said that the apps you
download don't necessarily reflect your priorities, and hence a large
number of game downloads doesn't mean that games are smartphone users'
primary interest.
KDT
> On Nov 22, 5:18 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 22, 11:20 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 22, 7:35 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>
> > > uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
> > > ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
>
> > Okay, I have Google maps running right now on both my Touch and my
> > Hero. What's the substantial difference?
>
> the big one is spoken turn by turn, unless that showed up sometime
> recently.
>
> > > > Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different?
>
> > > yes! for example, i have it set up so that when i dial (with my
> > > regular ol' dialer), all international calls get routed through google
> > > voice, while all regular calls get routed regularly. for someone like
> > > me who dials internationally all the time, that IS killer. no fuss,
> > > no muss.
>
> > And you click on GV app and you do the same thing with the iPhone
> > version.....
>
> which is not the same. clean integration and ease of use- you know,
> some of the hallmarks of macs (and you know, less confusing for users
> according to apple. :P ).
So instead of clicking on the phone icon you click on the GV
icon......
> > And MapQuest has a free navigation app for the iPhone.....
>
> >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8&ign...
>
> apparently it doesn't even automatically rereoute.http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363182,00.asp
>
> <snip>
From the iTunes store description.....
"Auto-reroute -- if you take a wrong turn it will automatically adjust
your route...."
They reviewed version 1.5.1. The newest version is 2.2.1 released
11/06.
KDT
What people spend their money on is a good indication of what their
priorities are....
http://www.148apps.com/top-apps/top-paid-iphone-apps/
How many of those apps are games (and no those aren't the websites
author's opinion).
ed
and i just explained to you why i disagree, in detail. if you
disagree, that's fine. but if you want to have a conversation about
it, perhaps provide a reasoning (preferably responding to what i
already posted) rather than just posting an assertion.
ed
> On Nov 22, 8:40 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 22, 5:18 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 22, 11:20 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 22, 7:35 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
>
> > > > uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
> > > > ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
>
> > > Okay, I have Google maps running right now on both my Touch and my
> > > Hero. What's the substantial difference?
>
> > the big one is spoken turn by turn, unless that showed up sometime
> > recently.
>
> > > > > Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different?
>
> > > > yes! for example, i have it set up so that when i dial (with my
> > > > regular ol' dialer), all international calls get routed through google
> > > > voice, while all regular calls get routed regularly. for someone like
> > > > me who dials internationally all the time, that IS killer. no fuss,
> > > > no muss.
>
> > > And you click on GV app and you do the same thing with the iPhone
> > > version.....
>
> > which is not the same. clean integration and ease of use- you know,
> > some of the hallmarks of macs (and you know, less confusing for users
> > according to apple. :P ).
>
> So instead of clicking on the phone icon you click on the GV
> icon......
yes, there's workarounds, which isn't the same, as i'm sure you'd
agree.
still interested in hearing what your ios killer app is.
> > > And MapQuest has a free navigation app for the iPhone.....
>
> > >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/mapquest-4-mobile/id316126557?mt=8&ign...
>
> > apparently it doesn't even automatically rereoute.http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363182,00.asp
>
> > <snip>
>
> From the iTunes store description.....
>
> "Auto-reroute -- if you take a wrong turn it will automatically adjust
> your route...."
>
> They reviewed version 1.5.1. The newest version is 2.2.1 released
> 11/06.
ah, my mistake - i saw the "mapquest 4 mobile" and read it as a
version number, not "mapquest for mobile". :D sweet that it's
looking better (reviews are all over the place on it though).
KDT
> > > pay attention- i didn't say it wasn't apps. i said that the apps you
> > > download don't necessarily reflect your priorities, and hence a large
> > > number of game downloads doesn't mean that games are smartphone users'
> > > primary interest.
>
> > What people spend their money on is a good indication of what their
> > priorities are....
>
> and i just explained to you why i disagree, in detail. if you
> disagree, that's fine. but if you want to have a conversation about
> it, perhaps provide a reasoning (preferably responding to what i
> already posted) rather than just posting an assertion.
You said that you "disagree" what people's priorities are.
So, you first said that you believe people's priorities are:
- voice and sms/mms communication
- email communications
- generally ubiquitous data
- media player
So even if I agree with you that those are people's priorities and I
agree with your order. The top three are equal on both Android phones
and iPhones. You haven't argued that Android as media player is
better than an iPhone and given all of the third party accessories
available for the iPhone (radios, gym equipment, in car iPod
compatibility, etc.) I doubt that you seriously could. So what's left
besides apps? Even your claim that "media player" is more important
than apps isn't supported by the facts -- the largest digital
distributor on the planet is predicted to sell more apps than "media"
next year.
So by "assertion* you're implying that I'm not posting any facts to
back up my opinion. My "assertion* is based on plenty of evidence.
What better metric of where people's priorities lie than where they
spend their money? Wouldn't you think that someone who lives in a
trailer and buys a BMW places more importance on a car than a house?
Do you have any better metrics?
KDT
It's not an app on the device (well the media player is much better).
It's iTunes.
1. Perfect backup and restore between devices, including bookmarks,
settings, icon placements, everything
2. The Apple remote app for controlling iTunes.
3. The integration between the mobile app/music store and iTunes.
4. Podcast handling between iTunes and the Touch.
Tim Murray
>> So instead of clicking on the phone icon you click on the GV
>> icon......
>
> yes, there's workarounds, which isn't the same, as i'm sure you'd
> agree.
>
> still interested in hearing what your ios killer app is.
Actually I'd like to hear what the real difference is.
ed
i guess i see it as pretty simple and clear i'm not saying it's a
complex difference- it's a implementation detail - kind of like how
many mac advocates feel the mac os is more seamless and less intrusive
is the real difference between that and windows, right? what don't
you get and what do you consider a "real" difference vs a... "not
real" difference?
ed
and ironically i really dislike itunes (especially the most recent
update) and think the reliance on it is something that detracts from
ios. ;D
ed
> On Nov 22, 9:40 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
> > > > pay attention- i didn't say it wasn't apps. i said that the apps you
> > > > download don't necessarily reflect your priorities, and hence a large
> > > > number of game downloads doesn't mean that games are smartphone users'
> > > > primary interest.
>
> > > What people spend their money on is a good indication of what their
> > > priorities are....
>
> > and i just explained to you why i disagree, in detail. if you
> > disagree, that's fine. but if you want to have a conversation about
> > it, perhaps provide a reasoning (preferably responding to what i
> > already posted) rather than just posting an assertion.
>
> You said that you "disagree" what people's priorities are.
uh, no.
> So, you first said that you believe people's priorities are:
of course i didn't say any such thing, but...
> - voice and sms/mms communication
> - email communications
> - generally ubiquitous data
> - media player
no, i said that's what **MY** priorities were.
> So even if I agree with you that those are people's priorities and I
> agree with your order. The top three are equal on both Android phones
> and iPhones.
i'm not sure i agree with that.
> You haven't argued that Android as media player is
> better than an iPhone and given all of the third party accessories
> available for the iPhone (radios, gym equipment, in car iPod
> compatibility, etc.) I doubt that you seriously could.
it depends what you want out of your music player... i, for one, have
no ipod accessories. wait, i bought a arm band for my wife's nano
once upon a time for the gym, but she never uses it. ;D wireless
sync trumps 3rd party accessories for me.
> So what's left
> besides apps?
what's this "what's left besides apps" thing you got going? i never
said anything to suggest i didn't think was important- what i said was
specifically and explicitly that i didn't think that the most
downloads being on games necessarily means that games are iphone users
main priority. how you attempt to try and attempt to extend that to
all apps i'm not sure.
> Even your claim that "media player" is more important
> than apps isn't supported by the facts -- the largest digital
> distributor on the planet is predicted to sell more apps than "media"
> next year.
and of course i didn't claim any such thing. i specifically and
explicitly said that was MY priorities.
> So by "assertion* you're implying that I'm not posting any facts to
> back up my opinion. My "assertion* is based on plenty of evidence.
> What better metric of where people's priorities lie than where they
> spend their money? Wouldn't you think that someone who lives in a
> trailer and buys a BMW places more importance on a car than a house?
it isn't nearly all that simple. for example, my parents live in
taipei. you see plenty of people with nice cars who don't have a
house. the reason isn't that people place more importance on a nice
car- it's that a nice house is so far out of reach price-wise that
they might as well get a nice car, as it basically doesn't make much
difference in being able to afford a nice house.
> Do you have any better metrics?
i don't think you can place simple metrics on it. a study where you
ask people would be what it takes.
ed
wait, you're probably saying that you don't know the implementation
detail differences, right? sorry, glossed over that the first time.
for example, when you bring up the google voice dialer, dial a number
and press call, what's it do? bring up the iphone dialer and dials
another number than your contact... nice, huh?
Sandman
<aea007d9-2dbd-47d7...@j5g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > Google Voice on Android is a barcode scanner? Google Maps on android
> > is in reality Lego Indiana Jones? What point are you making here that
> > is relevant to the discussion of exclusive killer apps for Android?
>
> uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
> ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
Yeah, you've said that, what you have yet to make clear is in what way
they are different to make them exclusive for android?
> > Google Voice integration that makes it vastly different?
>
> yes! for example, i have it set up so that when i dial (with my
> regular ol' dialer), all international calls get routed through google
> voice, while all regular calls get routed regularly. for someone like
> me who dials internationally all the time, that IS killer. no fuss,
> no muss.
So, one of the exclusive cool apps for android is an...international
call router app? While I'm sure that's useful for a small small
minority of users, it's not really something I would put up as a
selling point for the platform. Plus, hey, it only works in the US. :)
> > TBT navigation in Google Maps that is somehow vastly different
> > than the TBT apps in iOS?
>
> it certainly makes if vastly different than google maps on ios.
But we're not comparing Google Maps on iOS and Android, the subject is
exclusive apps on either platform, and TBT isn't exclusive to the
android, so that "addon" to Google Maps amounts to nothing in this
discussion, as I'm sure you realise.
> and it's not 'vastly' different than other tbt apps, but being that
> the tbt apps aren't cheap, being free might certainly help bump it
> into the 'killer' category for some.
There are free or extremely cheep TBT apps for the iPhone. I use
TomTom myself so I haven't tried them out, but a friend of mine bought
a very cheap (80 SEK if I remember correctly) which he claimed work
allright.
> > > no, that's not my list of android exclusive cool apps- it's a list of
> > > apps that are at least close to the killer app category (off the top
> > > of my head). �what do you consider a ios killer app?
> >
> > I don't know where you got the phrase "iOS killer app" from?
>
> i'm asking you.
I am not discussing iOS killer apps, so I don't see the relevancy
here. I don't have an answer to that question.
> > > i'm not an android advocate
> >
> > Eh? You're the only android advocate in this group.
>
> sorry, no. i'm fine with everyone picking out what's best for them.
Eh? That does not not make you an advocate.
> > > here, i mostly like to point out how kdt
> > > is obsessive and / or wrong about it. �:D
> >
> > Let us know when you're going to start :)
>
> or, he's wrong plenty, and i've pointed it out. ;D
Most of the time, you play word games and fail to take a stand. I'm
not sure either of those constitute "pointing it out" to anyone but
yourself. :P
> > But as being someone who "likes" android, you could only scrape
> > together two (2) "cool android-exclusive apps" for us? I respectfully
> > request that you give it another go, and perhaps not make Android look
> > like a barren wasteland of barcode scanners and ringtone apps here.
> > This is your chance, come on and grab it!
>
> frankly, i have no idea whether most of the apps i have on my phone
> are android exclusive and which aren't- and it really makes no
> difference to me. i will tell you what tipped ME into choosing
> android:
> - google voice integration. that's it.
> swype tipped me towards specific devices.
>
> just about everything else, i would have been ok with any of ios,
> winmo, or android.
Now that's a sad statement on the case of Android :/
I was hoping that you of all people could make more of a case FOR
android.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<5d4566be-42f5-4766...@k13g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > uh, dude. google voice on android is NOT the same as google voice on
> > > ios and google maps is NOT the same as google maps on android.
> >
> > Okay, I have Google maps running right now on both my Touch and my
> > Hero. What's the substantial difference?
>
> the big one is spoken turn by turn, unless that showed up sometime
> recently.
??? Seriously? The main difference between iOS and Android Google Maps
is that on android it talks to you??
> > And you click on GV app and you do the same thing with the iPhone
> > version.....
>
> which is not the same. clean integration and ease of use- you know,
> some of the hallmarks of macs (and you know, less confusing for users
> according to apple. :P ).
So the main difference between GV on iOS and Android is... one click?
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<e88a3434-5d15-4220...@g26g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
Play of words instead of an actual answer, ed? Why do you want him to
define "real difference" instead of just explaining what you consider
to be these actual real differences that makes Google Voice to be an
exclusive app for Android that has no equivalent on iOS - in spite of
the existence of Google Voice on iOS.
It's a very easy question. Just answer it.
--
Sandman[.net]
KDT
Yes, because this:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-voice/id318698524?mt=8
Is really not an intuitive interface.
KDT
> On Nov 22, 8:35 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So, you first said that you believe people's priorities are:
>
> of course i didn't say any such thing, but...
So you're just posting your opinion which really doesn't matter in the
grand scheme of things --- and neither does mine. That's why I'm
posting based on numbers.
>
> > - voice and sms/mms communication
> > - email communications
> > - generally ubiquitous data
> > - media player
>
> no, i said that's what **MY** priorities were.
I have no disagreement with that list for the general population.
Obviously people who buy a phone buy it first to use as a phone/sms.
Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
but is still very important for the business user. Ubiquitous data is
obviously important and at least for iPhone users media is important
-- not so much so for non-iPhone users.
>
> > So even if I agree with you that those are people's priorities and I
> > agree with your order. The top three are equal on both Android phones
> > and iPhones.
>
> i'm not sure i agree with that.
>
Okay, what's the difference between the quality of the top three
between the iPhone and Android?
> > You haven't argued that Android as media player is
> > better than an iPhone and given all of the third party accessories
> > available for the iPhone (radios, gym equipment, in car iPod
> > compatibility, etc.) I doubt that you seriously could.
>
> it depends what you want out of your music player... i, for one, have
> no ipod accessories. wait, i bought a arm band for my wife's nano
> once upon a time for the gym, but she never uses it. ;D wireless
> sync trumps 3rd party accessories for me.
Again, your mistake is thinking this conversation is about *you*. We
were talking about the general population. If suppliers didn't think
that an integrated music experience (i.e. third party accessories)
were important and consumers weren't buying it, then the third party
iPhone/iPod accessory market wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar a year
industry.
>
> > So what's left
> > besides apps?
>
> what's this "what's left besides apps" thing you got going? i never
> said anything to suggest i didn't think was important- what i said was
> specifically and explicitly that i didn't think that the most
> downloads being on games necessarily means that games are iphone users
> main priority. how you attempt to try and attempt to extend that to
> all apps i'm not sure.
I have two concrete metrics of popularity of games -- downloads and
sales. What do you have besides your opinion?
> > So by "assertion* you're implying that I'm not posting any facts to
> > back up my opinion. My "assertion* is based on plenty of evidence.
> > What better metric of where people's priorities lie than where they
> > spend their money? Wouldn't you think that someone who lives in a
> > trailer and buys a BMW places more importance on a car than a house?
>
> it isn't nearly all that simple. for example, my parents live in
> taipei. you see plenty of people with nice cars who don't have a
> house. the reason isn't that people place more importance on a nice
> car- it's that a nice house is so far out of reach price-wise that
> they might as well get a nice car, as it basically doesn't make much
> difference in being able to afford a nice house.
Anecdote is not data. Data is data. When a producer wants to gauge
where "the market" is. They are either going to base it on where the
sales are and where they predict it to be.
>
> > Do you have any better metrics?
>
> i don't think you can place simple metrics on it. a study where you
> ask people would be what it takes.
So you really think "asking people" what there behavior is, is better
than observing what they do? If you've studied statistics, you know
that any survey can be swayed by incorrect sampling, the way you ask
the question, or even people's idea of what they do and what they
actually do.
ed
and... of course i did with a followup- before you posted.
ed
what do you think happens when you click that call button?
ed
<snip>
> > frankly, i have no idea whether most of the apps i have on my phone
> > are android exclusive and which aren't- and it really makes no
> > difference to me. i will tell you what tipped ME into choosing
> > android:
> > - google voice integration. that's it.
> > swype tipped me towards specific devices.
>
> > just about everything else, i would have been ok with any of ios,
> > winmo, or android.
>
> Now that's a sad statement on the case of Android :/
>
> I was hoping that you of all people could make more of a case FOR
> android.
it's a equally strong / weak case for all those platforms.
ed
> On Nov 23, 1:26 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 22, 8:35 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > So, you first said that you believe people's priorities are:
>
> > of course i didn't say any such thing, but...
>
> So you're just posting your opinion which really doesn't matter in the
> grand scheme of things --- and neither does mine. That's why I'm
> posting based on numbers.
numbers which... may or may not show what you claim it does. that's
not helpful.
> > > - voice and sms/mms communication
> > > - email communications
> > > - generally ubiquitous data
> > > - media player
>
> > no, i said that's what **MY** priorities were.
>
> I have no disagreement with that list for the general population.
> Obviously people who buy a phone buy it first to use as a phone/sms.
these days, that's actually not so obvious. look at how successful
the iphone has been across all versions even though it's not highly
regarded as an actual phone (especially the earlier versions).
> Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
> but is still very important for the business user.
absolutely disagree.
> Ubiquitous data is
> obviously important and at least for iPhone users media is important
> -- not so much so for non-iPhone users.
an assertion / opinion you have no way of supporting, after you claim
opinions don't matter?
> > > So even if I agree with you that those are people's priorities and I
> > > agree with your order. The top three are equal on both Android phones
> > > and iPhones.
>
> > i'm not sure i agree with that.
>
> Okay, what's the difference between the quality of the top three
> between the iPhone and Android?
let's take messaging- can the iphone have separate alerts for email
and sms now? i know as of last year, it couldn't, so i had friends
(who got a lot of email) turning off push email because they didn't
want an alert 400 times a day that an email had arrived, but wanted
sms alerts.
and speaking of alerts and notifications in general- which you've
already conceded android is better at i believe - do you ever watch
l.a. ink? there was an episode recently where one of the guys on the
show was getting so many sms messages in a short amount of time that
he actually couldn't do anything with the phone- the alerts were too
intrusive!
...
> > > So what's left
> > > besides apps?
>
> > what's this "what's left besides apps" thing you got going? i never
> > said anything to suggest i didn't think was important- what i said was
> > specifically and explicitly that i didn't think that the most
> > downloads being on games necessarily means that games are iphone users
> > main priority. how you attempt to try and attempt to extend that to
> > all apps i'm not sure.
>
> I have two concrete metrics of popularity of games -- downloads and
> sales. What do you have besides your opinion?
you're confused again- do you think what i said above means that i
don't think games aren't popular? it doesn't.
> > > So by "assertion* you're implying that I'm not posting any facts to
> > > back up my opinion. My "assertion* is based on plenty of evidence.
> > > What better metric of where people's priorities lie than where they
> > > spend their money? Wouldn't you think that someone who lives in a
> > > trailer and buys a BMW places more importance on a car than a house?
>
> > it isn't nearly all that simple. for example, my parents live in
> > taipei. you see plenty of people with nice cars who don't have a
> > house. the reason isn't that people place more importance on a nice
> > car- it's that a nice house is so far out of reach price-wise that
> > they might as well get a nice car, as it basically doesn't make much
> > difference in being able to afford a nice house.
>
> Anecdote is not data.
ha. says the person who brought up the car analogy. ;D
> Data is data.
yes, data is data. you're not really arguing data though- the data is
that people download a lot of games. i have no problem with that-
what i have a problem with is your unsupported interpretation of that
data- that a lot of game downloads means it's a main priority for
iphone users.
> When a producer wants to gauge
> where "the market" is. They are either going to base it on where the
> sales are and where they predict it to be.
ok. totally irrelevant to the discussion, but ok.
> > > Do you have any better metrics?
>
> > i don't think you can place simple metrics on it. a study where you
> > ask people would be what it takes.
>
> So you really think "asking people" what there behavior is, is better
> than observing what they do?
when talking priorities and *why* they bought something? abso-f'in-
lutely.
> If you've studied statistics, you know
> that any survey can be swayed by incorrect sampling, the way you ask
> the question, or even people's idea of what they do and what they
> actually do.
um, ok, yeah, bad surveys suck. you think anyone disagrees with that?
but the problem is that you're ignoring the fact that the data you
have gives no insight into 'why', when that's what we're talking
about.
KDT
> > So you're just posting your opinion which really doesn't matter in the
> > grand scheme of things --- and neither does mine. That's why I'm
> > posting based on numbers.
>
> numbers which... may or may not show what you claim it does. that's
> not helpful.
As opposed to your uhh...nothing.....that is helpfull?
> > Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
> > but is still very important for the business user.
>
> absolutely disagree.
You really think the average user is sending and receiving more emails
than text???? Where have you been for the past 5 years?
> > Ubiquitous data is
> > obviously important and at least for iPhone users media is important
> > -- not so much so for non-iPhone users.
>
> an assertion / opinion you have no way of supporting, after you claim
> opinions don't matter?
How much music does iTunes sell? How much does Amazon sell (the MP3
store that comes on most Android phones).
>
> let's take messaging- can the iphone have separate alerts for email
> and sms now? i know as of last year, it couldn't, so i had friends
> (who got a lot of email) turning off push email because they didn't
> want an alert 400 times a day that an email had arrived, but wanted
> sms alerts.
>
Uhh
Settings -> Sounds -> Email Notifications -> Off.
>
> > Data is data.
>
> yes, data is data. you're not really arguing data though- the data is
> that people download a lot of games. i have no problem with that-
> what i have a problem with is your unsupported interpretation of that
> data- that a lot of game downloads means it's a main priority for
> iphone users.
You did dismiss Sandman's assertion that games were the apps that
people cared about more, didn't you?
> > So you really think "asking people" what there behavior is, is better
> > than observing what they do?
>
> when talking priorities and *why* they bought something? abso-f'in-
> lutely.
People *say* they care about a lot of things, but their actions say
something different....
>
> > If you've studied statistics, you know
> > that any survey can be swayed by incorrect sampling, the way you ask
> > the question, or even people's idea of what they do and what they
> > actually do.
>
> um, ok, yeah, bad surveys suck. you think anyone disagrees with that?
>
> but the problem is that you're ignoring the fact that the data you
> have gives no insight into 'why', when that's what we're talking
> about.
It's not about "why". It's about "what". The "what" is if you want
to sell a lot of an app -- nine times out of ten, it's going to be a
game,
ed
> On Nov 23, 11:41 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
> > > but is still very important for the business user.
>
> > absolutely disagree.
>
> You really think the average user is sending and receiving more emails
> than text???? Where have you been for the past 5 years?
holy f'in crap batman. you really, really, reaaallllly, like to
extrapolate statements to mean something they don't, eh? you really
think you can defend me 'disagreeing' with your statement that "email
isn't really that important any more to the non-business user" to "the
average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
wtf?
the rest of the message is snipped because, well, you can't really
have a conversation when stuff like the above is going on. :P
KDT
How many people really communicate over *email* for personal use and
how often? Besides to old people?
http://www.slate.com/id/2177969/
ed
which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of the
statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
(and fwiw, the article doesn't support email not being important.
yeah, teens aren't forwarding each other as many chain letters and
jokes (they do that through facebook now :P), but that doesn't mean
the medium is less important to people)
KDT
Do you really communicate on your phone significantly via email for
*personal* use or for more formal business use?
ed
personal use. i don't do business email on my phone *at all* (my
company doesn't allow access to their mail servers from personal
phones) - i suspect that's the case for a heck of a lot of smartphone
users. it's so good i do almost no personal email from my computers
anymore.
let's see, in my gmail inbox this morning (other accounts are used for
subscriptions, sign-ups, etc, so not nearly as important)... emails
from:
mammoth mountain (got a season pass), a trade confirmation from
fidelity, email from my dad, facebook friend request, a couple emails
from my realtor (i'm house hunting), one from the mls service with my
morning report, and one from my mortgage broker. nope, no formal
business use. ;D
Steve Carroll
Any exchanges with Snit we may later see on the ng? ;)
Congrats on your marriage, house hunting, etc. I didn't know about it.
Kids soon... hehe;)
KDT
I didn't say why "people use their personal smart phones". I only
said that smart phone use for email is predominantly used for business
-- mostly BlackBerries.
> let's see, in my gmail inbox this morning (other accounts are used for
> subscriptions, sign-ups, etc, so not nearly as important)... emails
> from:
> mammoth mountain (got a season pass), a trade confirmation from
> fidelity, email from my dad, facebook friend request, a couple emails
> from my realtor (i'm house hunting), one from the mls service with my
> morning report, and one from my mortgage broker. nope, no formal
> business use. ;D
I did say "formal business use" and "old people". You don't consider
talking to your real estate agent, etc. a "formal business use". Oh
and you said you "email your dad" -- i,e. old people. Would you
email your best friend or wife or send a text?
ed
are you really this bad with reading comprehension and that forgetful
about what YOU wrote? no, you didn't say 'why "people use their
personal smart phones"'- but you DID ask ME a question about how I
used MY phone.
> > let's see, in my gmail inbox this morning (other accounts are used for
> > subscriptions, sign-ups, etc, so not nearly as important)... emails
> > from:
> > mammoth mountain (got a season pass), a trade confirmation from
> > fidelity, email from my dad, facebook friend request, a couple emails
> > from my realtor (i'm house hunting), one from the mls service with my
> > morning report, and one from my mortgage broker. nope, no formal
> > business use. ;D
>
> I did say "formal business use" and "old people". You don't consider
> talking to your real estate agent, etc. a "formal business use".
um, no, no i don't. nor do i consider going out to look at houses
"formal business". if i were looking for an investment property, or
if real estate were my business i would, but he's basically helping me
shop.
> Oh
> and you said you "email your dad" -- i,e. old people. Would you
> email your best friend or wife or send a text?
that's a false dichotomy- it's not an either or- depending on context
and circumstances, i do both, as i suspect most people (including
young folks) do.
ed
> Congrats on your marriage, house hunting, etc. I didn't know about it.
> Kids soon... hehe;)
thanks. been married for a few months- together for many years
though. no congrats needed on the house hunting- it's a pain in the
f'in tush. i already have a house, but looking to move someplace a
little more centrally located between our jobs- and despite the crash
in housing prices in socal, desirable houses still cost a f'in grip! :
(
KDT
> > I didn't say why "people use their personal smart phones". I only
> > said that smart phone use for email is predominantly used for business
> > -- mostly BlackBerries.
>
> are you really this bad with reading comprehension and that forgetful
> about what YOU wrote? no, you didn't say 'why "people use their
> personal smart phones"'- but you DID ask ME a question about how I
> used MY phone.
It was in response to "What people spend their money on is a good
indication of what their priorities are...."
How many times have I said that the world doesn't revolve around your
anecdotal opinion -- we are talking about the average person based on
real numbers.
> > I did say "formal business use" and "old people". You don't consider
> > talking to your real estate agent, etc. a "formal business use".
>
> um, no, no i don't. nor do i consider going out to look at houses
> "formal business". if i were looking for an investment property, or
> if real estate were my business i would, but he's basically helping me
> shop.
A home purchase is about the biggest financial decision that most
people make. I definitely consider dealing with my real estate agent
"business", He is not helping you out of the goodness of his heart
--- you're his client.
>
> > Oh
> > and you said you "email your dad" -- i,e. old people. Would you
> > email your best friend or wife or send a text?
>
> that's a false dichotomy- it's not an either or- depending on context
> and circumstances, i do both, as i suspect most people (including
> young folks) do.
And we do have statistics showing how young people communicate --
again not anecdote, data.
ed
> On Nov 23, 4:16 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
> > > I didn't say why "people use their personal smart phones". I only
> > > said that smart phone use for email is predominantly used for business
> > > -- mostly BlackBerries.
>
> > are you really this bad with reading comprehension and that forgetful
> > about what YOU wrote? no, you didn't say 'why "people use their
> > personal smart phones"'- but you DID ask ME a question about how I
> > used MY phone.
>
> It was in response to "What people spend their money on is a good
> indication of what their priorities are...."
um, you wrote that in response to my reply to your question ("Do you
really communicate on your phone significantly via email for
*personal* use or for more formal business use?").
> How many times have I said that the world doesn't revolve around your
> anecdotal opinion -- we are talking about the average person based on
> real numbers.
dude, you asked me a question about what i do and i answered it. then
you bitch about my anecdotal opinion.
> > > I did say "formal business use" and "old people". You don't consider
> > > talking to your real estate agent, etc. a "formal business use".
>
> > um, no, no i don't. nor do i consider going out to look at houses
> > "formal business". if i were looking for an investment property, or
> > if real estate were my business i would, but he's basically helping me
> > shop.
>
> A home purchase is about the biggest financial decision that most
> people make. I definitely consider dealing with my real estate agent
> "business", He is not helping you out of the goodness of his heart
> --- you're his client.
the guy at shoe department guy at nordstrom's isn't helping me out of
the goodness of his heart either, but shoe shopping isn't typically
considered formal business either. formal business use is, to me,
stuff i use for work.
> > > Oh
> > > and you said you "email your dad" -- i,e. old people. Would you
> > > email your best friend or wife or send a text?
>
> > that's a false dichotomy- it's not an either or- depending on context
> > and circumstances, i do both, as i suspect most people (including
> > young folks) do.
>
> And we do have statistics showing how young people communicate --
> again not anecdote, data.
and i bet they use both, eh?
Sandman
<463ebf91-e5d0-4abc...@n30g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
I disagree.
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<9fc2c101-7ae1-47ea...@e26g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > So you're just posting your opinion which really doesn't matter in the
> > grand scheme of things --- and neither does mine. That's why I'm
> > posting based on numbers.
>
> numbers which... may or may not show what you claim it does. that's
> not helpful.
A statement that works both ways, so isn't important.
> > > > - voice and sms/mms communication
> > > > - email communications
> > > > - generally ubiquitous data
> > > > - media player
> >
> > > no, i said that's what **MY** priorities were.
> >
> > I have no disagreement with that list for the general population.
> > Obviously people who buy a phone buy it first to use as a phone/sms.
>
> these days, that's actually not so obvious. look at how successful
> the iphone has been across all versions even though it's not highly
> regarded as an actual phone (especially the earlier versions).
Possibly due to AT&T, not the phone itself, worked flawlessly here in
Sweden.
> > Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
> > but is still very important for the business user.
>
> absolutely disagree.
Email is important to the first group or not important to the second?
> > Ubiquitous data is
> > obviously important and at least for iPhone users media is important
> > -- not so much so for non-iPhone users.
>
> an assertion / opinion you have no way of supporting, after you claim
> opinions don't matter?
"I have no disagreement" was the start of his paragraph, clearly
signaling that he made personal comments.
> > > > So even if I agree with you that those are people's priorities and I
> > > > agree with your order. The top three are equal on both Android phones
> > > > and iPhones.
> >
> > > i'm not sure i agree with that.
> >
> > Okay, what's the difference between the quality of the top three
> > between the iPhone and Android?
>
> let's take messaging- can the iphone have separate alerts for email
> and sms now? i know as of last year, it couldn't, so i had friends
> (who got a lot of email) turning off push email because they didn't
> want an alert 400 times a day that an email had arrived, but wanted
> sms alerts.
This has been true since day one, you are misinformed. SMS and email
has always had alerts which can be turned on and off independently.
The SMS alert can be selected from a short list and the email alert is
one default one only.
> and speaking of alerts and notifications in general- which you've
> already conceded android is better at i believe - do you ever watch
> l.a. ink? there was an episode recently where one of the guys on the
> show was getting so many sms messages in a short amount of time that
> he actually couldn't do anything with the phone- the alerts were too
> intrusive!
Like email with your friend above. So turn it off. I'm confused
though, does android only alert you about the first and ignore the
rest? What interval is set for this?
--
Sandman[.net]
Sandman
<05838795-110d-4360...@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
> > > > > > but is still very important for the business user.
> >
> > > > > absolutely disagree.
> >
> > > > You really think the average user is sending and receiving more emails
> > > > than text???? Where have you been for the past 5 years?
> >
> > > holy f'in crap batman. you really, really, reaaallllly, like to
> > > extrapolate statements to mean something they don't, eh? you really
> > > think you can defend me 'disagreeing' with your statement that "email
> > > isn't really that important any more to the non-business user" to "the
> > > average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
> >
> > > wtf?
> >
> > > the rest of the message is snipped because, well, you can't really
> > > have a conversation when stuff like the above is going on. :P
> >
> > How many people really communicate over *email* for personal use and
> > how often? Besides to old people?
> >
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2177969/
>
> which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of the
> statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
What's with the personal attacks, ed? Come on, you stated that you
"absolutely" disagreed with a two-part statement without any further
information. Elaborate guesswork was required by the reader of your
statement.
If you think aforementioned guesswork was too elaborate, that's your
prerogative, but I fail to see how that would warrant such attacks and
dismissal to the guessers ability to maintain a conversation.
--
Sandman[.net]
Steve Carroll
> In article
> <05838795-110d-4360-87e0-b1cbcf022...@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Be easy now, ed is one of the few good trolls we have left, we don't
want to drive him off ;)
Hmmm... I think this brings up an advocacy ng discussion point. What
is the difference between a 'good' troll and a 'bad' one? We all
obviously have a well rounded idea of what a 'bad' troll does. We all
sorta know what a 'good' troll looks like but, if we had to define
it, what's the criteria for drawing that fine line? IOW, what are the
actions that stand right on the edge? I think this is trickier to
answer than it first appears...
Sandman
<2bd000e6-9e9b-4c9e...@h17g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Steve Carroll <fretw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of the
> > > statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
> >
> > What's with the personal attacks, ed? Come on, you stated that you
> > "absolutely" disagreed with a two-part statement without any further
> > information. Elaborate guesswork was required by the reader of your
> > statement.
> >
> > If you think aforementioned guesswork was too elaborate, that's your
> > prerogative, but I fail to see how that would warrant such attacks and
> > dismissal to the guessers ability to maintain a conversation.
>
> Be easy now, ed is one of the few good trolls we have left, we don't
> want to drive him off ;)
>
> Hmmm... I think this brings up an advocacy ng discussion point. What
> is the difference between a 'good' troll and a 'bad' one? We all
> obviously have a well rounded idea of what a 'bad' troll does. We all
> sorta know what a 'good' troll looks like but, if we had to define
> it, what's the criteria for drawing that fine line? IOW, what are the
> actions that stand right on the edge? I think this is trickier to
> answer than it first appears...
I think you have to separate "good vs. bad" from "effective vs.
ineffective". I.e. some trolls may be effective in sheer number of
replies but be really bad at trolling so that most of those replies
are just people that point out how wrong that troller is in his
initial setup. Trolls like zara, Tom Elam and Muahman fit in this
category. They are really really bad trolls that count replies as the
only metric of success.
A good troll may not be very effective in the long run. Daniel
Johnsson is a pretty good troll. He pours out a lot of misinformation,
lies and misconceptions about more technical issues that may look
legit to the casual observer, but turns out to be pure fantasy 9 times
of 10.
A very good troll is someone that is actually correct from time to
time. And someone who manages to keep up the steam in a thread by
continuously inserting new material, not by flaming it's participants
(mostly) :)
I think Edwin is a good troll (his current sock puppet is a bit lame
though) and of course, the mother of all trolls is Snit. Both are good
AND effective trolls.
Ed, well, yes he deliberately misinterpetes stuff and play word games
more than often, but I don't think he does it to lie and misrepresent,
just to mud the waters a bit :)
--
Sandman[.net]
Steve Carroll
Edwin's goal is to troll... Snit gets there just by being himself so
I'm not sure that counts.
> Ed, well, yes he deliberately misinterpetes stuff and play word games
> more than often, but I don't think he does it to lie and misrepresent,
> just to mud the waters a bit :)
No doubt in my mind.
I was using the words 'good' and 'bad' differently than you are. I
guess I should have said trolls that don't make you want to puke
and... well, you get the idea;)
Snit
11/24/10 8:51 AM:
I would not say that is you, but it might be Steve. When people do not
reply to his trolling he has been known to post his "crickets chirping" and
other similar BS in a desperate attempt to get responses.
> A good troll may not be very effective in the long run. Daniel
> Johnsson is a pretty good troll. He pours out a lot of misinformation,
> lies and misconceptions about more technical issues that may look
> legit to the casual observer, but turns out to be pure fantasy 9 times
> of 10.
This is neither you nor Steve. You actually seem rather technically
competent (though you are loath to admit your weaknesses); Carroll, while he
sometimes heads this way (such as his BS about Mac problems which were
clearly made up) tends to just spew nonsense and nit picks.
> A very good troll is someone that is actually correct from time to
> time. And someone who manages to keep up the steam in a thread by
> continuously inserting new material, not by flaming it's participants
> (mostly) :)
That is more of what you do - you post a lot of good info, but then lie
through your teeth and then lash out at those who point out your lies. If
they do it "too much" then you start making dishonest web pages about them.
To a casual observer you might even seem to *believe* your lies, given how
you often do make valid points on other topics. Interesting to see how you
recognize this and label your own actions as those of a "very good troll".
> I think Edwin is a good troll (his current sock puppet is a bit lame
> though) and of course, the mother of all trolls is Snit. Both are good
> AND effective trolls.
I respond to trolls (such as you and Steve) - which is not the same thing as
being a troll. But part of your trolling is to obfuscate facts by calling
others what you are... but you sorta blew it this time by noting your own
actions, above.
> Ed, well, yes he deliberately misinterpetes stuff and play word games
> more than often, but I don't think he does it to lie and misrepresent,
> just to mud the waters a bit :)
>
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
ed
> ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Email isn't really that important any more to the non-business user
> > > > > > > but is still very important for the business user.
>
> > > > > > absolutely disagree.
>
> > > > > You really think the average user is sending and receiving more emails
> > > > > than text???? Where have you been for the past 5 years?
>
> > > > holy f'in crap batman. you really, really, reaaallllly, like to
> > > > extrapolate statements to mean something they don't, eh? you really
> > > > think you can defend me 'disagreeing' with your statement that "email
> > > > isn't really that important any more to the non-business user" to "the
> > > > average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
>
> > > > wtf?
>
> > > > the rest of the message is snipped because, well, you can't really
> > > > have a conversation when stuff like the above is going on. :P
>
> > > How many people really communicate over *email* for personal use and
> > > how often? Besides to old people?
>
> > >http://www.slate.com/id/2177969/
>
> > which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of the
> > statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
>
> What's with the personal attacks, ed?
i said his statement is retarded, not that he is. and i stand by
that. :D
...
Steve Carroll
> Sandman stated in post mr-32E762.16510024112...@News.Individual.NET on
> 11/24/10 8:51 AM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
When one analyzes the "people" I have used the term with a very clear
picture develops.
> > A good troll may not be very effective in the long run. Daniel
> > Johnsson is a pretty good troll. He pours out a lot of misinformation,
> > lies and misconceptions about more technical issues that may look
> > legit to the casual observer, but turns out to be pure fantasy 9 times
> > of 10.
>
> This is neither you nor Steve. You actually seem rather technically
> competent (though you are loath to admit your weaknesses); Carroll, while he
> sometimes heads this way (such as his BS about Mac problems which were
> clearly made up) tends to just spew nonsense and nit picks.
Is this a reason why it's Sandman you've chosen to target with your
"professional" jealousy?
> > A very good troll is someone that is actually correct from time to
> > time. And someone who manages to keep up the steam in a thread by
> > continuously inserting new material, not by flaming it's participants
> > (mostly) :)
>
> That is more of what you do - you post a lot of good info, but then lie
> through your teeth and then lash out at those who point out your lies. If
> they do it "too much" then you start making dishonest web pages about them.
Minus the providing a lot of good info bit you just described what you
did on this ng before he ever did it. That he took your lead should
have been expected by you, after all. you were the one who essentially
asked him to do what he eventually ended up doing. Of course, the
difference between his implementation and yours is that his is focuses
on trolls in general, you targeted specific people with the intention
of antagonizing them. It's ironic and hypocritical of you to whine
about this for these reasons.
> To a casual observer you might even seem to *believe* your lies, given how
> you often do make valid points on other topics. Interesting to see how you
> recognize this and label your own actions as those of a "very good troll".
>
> > I think Edwin is a good troll (his current sock puppet is a bit lame
> > though) and of course, the mother of all trolls is Snit. Both are good
> > AND effective trolls.
>
> I respond to trolls (such as you and Steve) - which is not the same thing as
> being a troll.
So how do you account for the fact that virtually everyone you've come
into contact with in this ng has labeled you a liar, troll or worse,
yet, few of them, relatively speaking, (relative to you) have labeled
Jonas or I in similar fashion?
> But part of your trolling is to obfuscate facts by calling
> others what you are... but you sorta blew it this time by noting your own
> actions, above.
I ask the same question here I just asked. Of course you can't answer
it here, either.
Steve Carroll
There is a difference. The only person I think I've ever seen you toss
anything that could remotely be construed as a personal attack was
with Glasser. Even then, as I saw it, you were merely stating your
opinion of his actions and labeling him accordingly ('a liar and a
loser' I believe it was). Most everyone agrees with the assessment
that he's a liar for obvious reason (he's lied too often to be able to
deny it).
ed
> On Nov 24, 10:29 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of the
> > > > statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
>
> > > What's with the personal attacks, ed?
>
> > i said his statement is retarded, not that he is. and i stand by
> > that. :D
>
> There is a difference. The only person I think I've ever seen you toss
> anything that could remotely be construed as a personal attack was
> with Glasser. Even then, as I saw it, you were merely stating your
> opinion of his actions and labeling him accordingly ('a liar and a
> loser' I believe it was). Most everyone agrees with the assessment
> that he's a liar for obvious reason (he's lied too often to be able to
> deny it).
there is a difference, but some people don't quite get it. and i do
try to avoid personal attacks (or i have the past few years - i didn't
used to), but i doubt that i've only tossed them out to snit- i do
slip here and there. and some folks will take comments said in jest,
tongue smileys, etc, as personal attacks and not let go of it. ;D
i will also sometimes call someone a liar (although i'm trying to
reduce that as well- sometimes when we think someone is lying, they
just f'd up (or are really way more ignorant than we though)), but i
don't see that as a personal attack when i believe they are lying.
some disagree.
Sandman
<2f8e270d-c201-427b...@26g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > You really think the average user is sending and receiving more
> > > > > > emails
> > > > > > than text???? Where have you been for the past 5 years?
> >
> > > > > holy f'in crap batman. you really, really, reaaallllly, like to
> > > > > extrapolate statements to mean something they don't, eh? you really
> > > > > think you can defend me 'disagreeing' with your statement that "email
> > > > > isn't really that important any more to the non-business user" to
> > > > > "the
> > > > > average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
> >
> > > > > wtf?
> >
> > > > > the rest of the message is snipped because, well, you can't really
> > > > > have a conversation when stuff like the above is going on. :P
> >
> > > > How many people really communicate over *email* for personal use and
> > > > how often? Besides to old people?
> >
> > > >http://www.slate.com/id/2177969/
> >
> > > which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of the
> > > statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
> >
> > What's with the personal attacks, ed?
>
> i said his statement is retarded, not that he is. and i stand by
> that.
My question still stands unanswered; What's with the personal attacks?
Do you feel they further your position? Do they enforce your points?
In what way?
--
Sandman[.net]
ed
sorry, i don't feel i performed a personal attack (do you think i did
kdt? if so, i apologize). i do think extrapolating from "email isn't
really that important any more to the non-business user" to "the
average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
is... nonsensical, absurd, silly, or whatever other word you think is
less personal if you think it makes a difference.
Sandman
<cc2f99ad-39bc-4737...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
ed <ne...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > > > which doesn't change the fact that your retarded interpretation of
> > > > > the
> > > > > statements above is... well, still retarded.. :P
> >
> > > > What's with the personal attacks, ed?
> >
> > > i said his statement is retarded, not that he is. and i stand by
> > > that.
> >
> > My question still stands unanswered; What's with the personal attacks?
> > Do you feel they further your position? Do they enforce your points?
> > In what way?
>
> sorry, i don't feel i performed a personal attack (do you think i did
> kdt? if so, i apologize). i do think extrapolating from "email isn't
> really that important any more to the non-business user" to "the
> average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
> is... nonsensical, absurd, silly, or whatever other word you think is
> less personal if you think it makes a difference.
I think your interpretation of your actions is retarded. You know, the
kind of interpretation a retarded person would do. That kind of
retarded.
:)
--
Sandman[.net]
ed
Snit
11/24/10 11:38 AM:
>> i said his statement is retarded, not that he is. and i stand by
>> that.
>
> My question still stands unanswered; What's with the personal attacks?
> Do you feel they further your position? Do they enforce your points?
> In what way?
Here you are asking him about *his* personal attacks (though from the above
it looks like he merely was attacking a statement), when you have tons of
personal attacks posted about people. Here are some of your pages with
personal attacks against me:
1 <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Gibberish>
2 <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Css_Validation>
3 <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Quote_Forging>
4 <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_Tilde>
5 <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/PDFforgery>
6 <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_New_Sock_Puppet>
7 <http://csma.sandman.net/TrollScoring/Snit>
8 <http://csma.sandman.net/plain/ascii.php?name=Snit>
These are pages filled with lies, name calling and such. You even have a
page where you keep track of *other* people's accusations... and then you
and Carroll say that this says something about *me*. But here you are
insinuating that ed's personal attacks say something about *him* and not the
person he is referencing.
This is hypocritical of you.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
cc2f99ad-39bc-4737...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com on 11/24/10
11:45 AM:
>> My question still stands unanswered; What's with the personal attacks?
>> Do you feel they further your position? Do they enforce your points?
>> In what way?
>
> sorry, i don't feel i performed a personal attack (do you think i did
> kdt? if so, i apologize). i do think extrapolating from "email isn't
> really that important any more to the non-business user" to "the
> average user is sending and receiving more emails than text????"
> is... nonsensical, absurd, silly, or whatever other word you think is
> less personal if you think it makes a difference.
You are saying the *idea* is absurd. That is not a personal attack.
Sandman, on the other hand, has pages of personal attacks posted on his site
- even lists of *others* personal attacks.
The idea he is now offended by such attacks when he still has his *much
worse* attacks posted is just absurd.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Tim Murray
>> Okay, I have Google maps running right now on both my Touch and my
>> Hero. What's the substantial difference?
>
> the big one is spoken turn by turn, unless that showed up sometime
> recently.
Frankly that is just fine by me. I would much rather have my separate GPS
device doing its thing on its own, so both devices can be otherwise
unencumbered.
ed
What's the problem with having the device 'encumbered' by doing
something else?
There's at least one distinct advantage of having one device handling
it all - the different devices don't play at the same time so that you
potentially miss one thing (like directions) because something else
(like music) is playing too loud.
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>
>> I respond to trolls (such as you and Steve) - which is not the same
>> thing as being a troll.
>
> So how do you account for the fact that virtually everyone you've come
> into contact with in this ng has labeled you a liar, troll or worse,
> yet, few of them, relatively speaking, (relative to you) have labeled
> Jonas or I in similar fashion?
>
>> But part of your trolling is to obfuscate facts by calling
>> others what you are... but you sorta blew it this time by noting your
>> own actions, above.
>
> I ask the same question here I just asked. Of course you can't answer it
> here, either.
Nor has Snit been able to provide an adequate reply to these 145 poster
quotes on the Snit Circus of Pathological Lies ;)
1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member area and a
login. If you forget your password, you can ask it to e-mail it to you,
and a bot will send an e-mail. *That* is the e-mail Snit got from
Sandman's website, and yes he's that fucked in the head and starved for
attention that he'd claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So,
don't get sucked into his little circus. The e-mail, in this particular
instance, did probably originate from Sandman.net." 27 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dac74355552b4cc7
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour and
not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you'd leave too.
Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I have never
made the same wish of him." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, you
are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
newsgroup." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
4- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers to weasel
out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole." 25 Jun 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
5- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not just
let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you are? You
could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above the low
level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop...." 26 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
6- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If yes, then
troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire, but
it's fixed now." 13 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
7- BaJoRi: "You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who has read
your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be wrong, then
added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be a fool. You
need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you are an
intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar." 11 Nov 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
8- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group can be if
you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don't do the
same.." 5 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
9- Bob S: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group, but
since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
discussion about anything." 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for some reason, some people
just can't stop feeding him."
10- °b° unny: Subject "snit makes me sad", Text "really actually =:-("
9 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
11- Brian: "LOL, Has anyone ever been more universally hated on the USENET
than Snit? Too bad he craves the hatred and negative attention. We will
read about him in the news some day soon going on a shooting rampage.
Somebody should get the pychopath some help before he VT's a bunch of
people. 29 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/66a89e4f5c89f489
12- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill, but you and Steve don't
help. You encourage him to post, which he doesn't need to do. We would all
be better off if you just ignore him. 17 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2ed879f256677548
13- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls' ... in the
groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like snit
would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn't see his posts, only your
reply".
14- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time for you to
learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
Usenet browser has a kill-filter." 5 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
15- cc (COLA): "You are incapable of letting anything go. In fact, I
guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours. Hell, I'd be
surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really wanted to, I
could make this little side topic go on forever, because you are a
complete moron who just has to respond to anything written about or to
you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
16- Chance Furlong: "HPT, Wally, Sandman, C Lund, Steve Carroll and Tim
Adams are not trolls and do not troll. You, on the other hand, are a
troll." 27 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/28c267f26965b43f
17- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "I try to go more by the contents of the posts.
Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is not worth
the effort." 14 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
18- Chris Clement: "ugh....geez man.....let it go" 5 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ed093996df6547b2
19- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him 'shit', and rightly so, for they
way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot, and
simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It's now far too late to
*flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him..." 12 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
20- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for you to "win" an
argument? They don't like you, you don't like them. Why must you keep this
up? What results are you expecting?"
21- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The archives
show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your list
and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it any
further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
problem". 22 Nov 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
22- Dave Fritzinger: "[snip of stuff I really don't care to read] Snit,
please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
please, please, GO AWAY!!!!" 2 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
23- Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all
of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many
diverse people who share a common perception where do you think the
problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn't
require an advanced degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
24- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought you knew
what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was presented to you.
I guess I had too much confidence in you." 30 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
25- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and loser
you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i stop
responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up responding
as if you were a normal person. i suppose it's tough for the magnitude of
your 'loserdom' to stick, so it loses some of it's sharpness when i stop
responding to you. you almost always start responding back in a semi
normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it's once again that time. i can
only ask that you pass my condolences to your wife and unborn child for
having to put up with such a dishonest fool as yourself. (well, if your
wife is a loser as well, just pass those condolences to the rug-rat to be;
if not, double condolences to her). " 30 Apr 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
26- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest liar in
Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
27- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger, and you've
almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of out
of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies labled as
a "peace effort" has to be one of the craziest stunts you've pulled. It's
all about your sick need for attention, your need to be center stage at
all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought it would make people
look at you." 18 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
28- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see a
doctor." 24 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
29- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to the points in my
post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
childishly typical of you, Snit." 16 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
30- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled since the
first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do like Snit'. As far as
I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist." 15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
31- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides the
typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like being in
a room of really young children trying there best to best the other
person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you. I hate to
be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle of a great
percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs and more about
"look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no end then all this picking
at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always been al little
adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the point that this
place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping CSMA and making this
place your own personal circus." 12 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
32- Geezer:
Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality" Geezer: "Whined the guy who
cannot directly address those who uncover his lies and deceit;)" Snit:
"and no clue about the law."
Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are "proof".
LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported lies)' 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
33- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): "The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing how
stupid he is... What a mar00n". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
34- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit (AKA
Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you crazy with
his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He
will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with
his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run.
NEVER engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger you
and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
35- gimme_this_gimme_t...@yahoo.com: "Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?" 4
Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
36- Glenn Hall (COLA): "That person is like a constantly running toilet
that won't stop. Does he ever stop talking about UI consistency? No matter
what anyone replies, he adds a few more branches to the spider web as it
grows and grows. It's a waste of time." 31 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c8dd8a244fe1eb2c
37- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone else notices
that you are not honest and you have no honor." 21 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
38- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads, are
you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor people
cause that's just retarded but if you dont fix it I'm gonna have to cause
I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your client or
something". 12 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
39- Hadron (COLA): "Would you please stop the whining. FFS he has you
jumping to his every post. How many more fucking times are you going to
post the same repetitive garbage? Please ..at least change the record
sometimes!!!!!!!" 13 Aug 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1e0ecbb776623473
40- Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must be a deeply troubled
individual who has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with the
points above. I don't care about them. Your constant complaints, whines,
rages, etc., wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as
trolls, arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit
around you. People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept that.
Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your
solipsism. There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail." 18
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
41- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*" Aug 19 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d8afd909a308b97f
42- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
"synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt to
maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such, I
consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me. This
is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the reminder
that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation, both in the
ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word "responsible".' 25
Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
43- High Plains Thumper: "Agreed except for Snit and socks (Joe Crump and
ad nauseum). I've got Snit kill binned, because he is the classic ad
hominem troll. At first he seems reasonable, but then it always degrades
into name calling bullying, the responder is a liar, etc. AKA the Snit
Circus of Pathological Lies. Perhaps the times he seems reasonable are
when he is properly controlled by medication." 21 Sep 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/249a598ec5aafe85
44- Homer (COLA): "I don't mean this as a personal insult, but I'm
perfectly serious when I say 'Snit' (Michael Glasser) is obviously
mentally ill, and needs help. I was going to suggest that someone alerts
his wife to the problem, but I have to assume she's already aware of his
condition, if she is in fact still living with him. It's possible, I
suppose, that he's already undergoing counselling and/or on medication,
but if he is then it doesn't seem to be helping much. Maybe he just missed
his 'meds' today (again, I mean that sincerely)." 26 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
Homer: "Word of advice for anyone concerned: don't be tempted to get drawn
into a Snit circus, it's literally a waste of time. He's just an attention
seeker who'll keep stringing you along, in a never-ending circle of obtuse
questions, for which he has no genuine interest in the answers." 14 Oct
2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0d06eb2e900e3058
45- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for a
long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
morons, but I've never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of his
opponents. A good kill file is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
46- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable to offer
support for your statements, you're reduced to personal attacks on me.
Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state as
facts can be true. I'm really sorry that you're taking this attitude, the
topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some insights.
I've snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and avoid answering
any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just repeated." 6
Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
47- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid people on
usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh your
screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over. Either you're
a super troll, or you're a super mess." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
48- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit."
49- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git." 23 Dec
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
50- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won't help me achieve a
greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and those
kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as this." 18 Nov
2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
51- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you accomplishing
besides being annoying? Is that your goal?" 25 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
52- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush mentioned in it?
You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack threads."
53- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're involved in
seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and stop
this crap. Try. How about it?" 25 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
54- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I suppose."
"Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for his
claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean, you
*are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?" 8 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
55- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to fall - in
a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'" 23 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
56- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What are you
bitching about?" 1 Dec 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12ba528be5ad2665
57- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice- more like a
black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain an
unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up? Please??"
11 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
58- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's postings
since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to filter his posts, I just
consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his name." 7 Jan
2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
59- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be shocked that
he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
repairman and teacher. He's just plain loony and best ignored. Let him
deal with his disorder by medication. He's here to do one thing, get
attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a reaction. You
say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what he's counting on,
he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes to get a rise out of people
like you. Ignore him, you won't regret it." 3 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
John Slade: "Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding
drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of my
killfile? Oh well back into the cage you go, PLONK." 13 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
60- Josh McKee: "I have no strawman so therefore it has to be in your
mind. .... What is obnoxious are your posts." 26 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3665b9e002d27c44
61- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that even though
the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot is mostly
being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers that keep
replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this place could
be worth coming back to. There's a good chance he'll pack up and take his
trolling to more fertile ground." 22 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
62- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence with
"Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.' 29 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
63- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother reading
the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how to support your position,
instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping it'll
all go away." 7 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
64- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for ad hominem
attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks. You
make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You're a
liar and a hypocrite and you always have been." 14 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
65- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid." 7 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
66- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time, but
the few times you post something worth reading just aren't worth it
anymore. *plonk*" 16 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
67- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact you've been an
annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense of
trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is trashtalk
about Linux and you acting every bit the troll." 16 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
68-libcrushersmith: "Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS News
and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
changes the subject and will never admit he's wrong." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
69- libsnightmare: "You're a sore loser who has resorted to fifth grade
tactics. How fucking sad - all this clown has left is to edit posts and
post fake bullshit. You can't debate... so you lie. Once again, you have
proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad..." 4 May 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
70- Linonut (cola): "Snit may be the first retraction of my general
killfile amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping,
back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that effete
candy-ass beggars belief". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
71- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most cretinous, I
would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)" 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
72- Lewis: "hasn't this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I don't
think anything is ever going to fix snit." 02 Mar 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
73- Marious Barrier (COLA): "I must recognize that it is the first time I
see that kind of troll, once that start asking moderately serious
questions and since the first answer, gradually starts to degenerate it
by, in many failed attempts of being sarcastic, inserting various indirect
insults and calling all people ignorant and unable to answer what he asks
for." 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c6607ea64f436821
74- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would be
impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual dishonesty
ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very keen on proverbs,
and I recall her going over the "cry wolf" story. Mr Glasser could "cry
wolf" over and over now, and I would not come to help him with his sheep,
because I do not know any way of determining if he's ever telling the
truth, or indeed, if he ever has." 2 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
75- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it to this
post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a DVD
of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got mad
because we quit making him the center of attention and made that kid on
the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life." 30 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
76- McGarnagle: "And you know when Snit is endorsed by two of the biggest
nutjobs in AGA - RichL and El Kabong - you know he's not very bright and a
loon." 31 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
77- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone refutes your
'facts', you run away and ignore them. Refuting your 'facts' is easily
done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it." 9 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
78- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All I see you
doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You're the
TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not* a compliment!" 8 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
79- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I can
only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged you
actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek professional
help."
"The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made no
threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point, Elizabot
was suddenly "threatening" to you. In so much as you had to take your
kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they have
Kook with a capital "K" written at the top of your profile, Snit." 2 Sep
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
80- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are all rubbernecking.
We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious. Treat him the same way,
look but just keep moving on." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
81- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are
off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly
show that you are crying out for attention." 20 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
82- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact that your
obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
Killfilling someone generally implies you're ignoring that person, yet you
piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
website's validation status more often than most people check their
e-mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual." 19
Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
83- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
kindergarten and see if the kids there can't teach you a thing or two
about social behavior." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
84- Muahman: "Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard circus!!!
I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that automatically
means it's in the toilet." 8 Jul 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
85- Mutley (AUK): "For the record ... I'll be done when I decide that
there's more shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe." 01
Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
86- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't convinced that
snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly am
now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?" 29 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
87- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got a wry sense of
humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way you're just a waste of time,
and you've done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool. Then you
revel in wallowing in your own filth." 14 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
88- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
children in the back seat of the family car saying: Mom, 'snits' touching
me ... and you responding much as you do now ... I'm not touching you,
you're touching me! The problem is that by now you should've grown out of
that type of poke and complain interaction with others. But, of course,
you've haven't learned how to interact with others in a more
'constructive' and mutually beneficial manner even now." 03 Jul 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
89- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I killfiled
him?" 27 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
90- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and desire
to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things." 2 Oct
2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
91- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending Author,
example Snit... Go to the Filters Menu, Choose 'Kill this Author' Click
'OK' Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice. Then to see
your work... Choose the Filter Menu again, Then 'Refilter Articles'...
Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing. Enjoy!!!!!" 14
Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
92- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit, for
whom the work 'troll' seems so painfully inadequate?" 13 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
93- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk> "
94- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For someone who talks
about everyone else not being "honest and honorable" you appear to be the
least honest and honorable of anyone here." 22 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
95- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in Newswatcher but
I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten seconds
later and he's gone! Amazing." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
96- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
argument with sandman into the private room." 13 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
97- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely, and someti...
err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a blue moon he has something
useful to say."
98- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that they were not
different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has told
me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence."
99- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot Glasser is invading this group with his
inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about that dishonest
retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser sock" 30 Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
100- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu".
101- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get superficial
snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
102- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference a long standing
war you have going with some person from csma. It's like you single out
persons to target your attentions upon and then continuously berate them
with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their acrimonious responses,
which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad infinitum. Above all things,
your affinity for Macs and your overbearing pompous nature aside, this is
what convinces me that your primary purpose for frequenting this and other
groups is to troll." 07 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
103- RichardK: "Just killfile him already."
104- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You trash
people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going on."
06 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
105- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a troll.
I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a troll, he is
... somewhat clumsy." 22 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
106- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care if you quote
Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the shell of
a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk of looking
ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that's your goal,
you're on the right track, and more power to you." 11 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
107- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's thing is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man. That's
enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
RonB: (COLA): "Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no point, he
simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron's 'you're
a liar' mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays." 27 May 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
108- Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir boys." 14 Sep
2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
109- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category. Starting
crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to generate a flame
war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and how it can help you
and your supposed users why aren't you requesting help from a more
technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As the old saying goes,
those who can do, those who can't teach. Your posts seem to confirm that
saying IMHO." 12 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
110- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and worthless. You
must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you." 29
Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
111- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY- of
csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news group
before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against him in
just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the funny part with
Michael is that I actually think he DOESN'T consider himself be a troll -
damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they are wrong. Only
Tholen himself can match this behaviour." 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
112- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly, even
the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense than
this. You been doing drugs or something?" 25 May 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
113- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit, you're probably
dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to remove smut
from your harddrive." 21 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
114- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
Snit: "Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me..." Sermo Malifer:
"Because you're a narcissistic troll who posts trash just to get people
talking about you." 21 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
115- spike1: "The thought is probably to show everyone here just how bad a
troll snit is".
116- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing anger,
i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he thinks he's
making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he's pretty smart.
indeed, he tells us, he's done the personality tests and the iq tests and
he's okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he's soooooooo well adjusted." 3 Mar 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
117- Steel (COLA): "You may not like the game, but nevertheless, it's just
a game. You play a game yourself don't kid yourself." 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/be1f49165984c350
118- Steve Carroll: "Snit isn't much more than a one trick pony and not
telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you've gone a
long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his errors
is one of the biggest jokes on usenet." 28 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
119- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of elephant
dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the "Snit Circus",
but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
elephant dung." 18 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
120- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me for
your rediculous argument regarding this." 26 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
121- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit has lost all
self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like 'asses' when
referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit have fallen
so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to feel
embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him more
happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags)." 27 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
122- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk him then. A
snit is a snit is a snit and always will be." 15 Aug 2006 (post not
available except in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
123- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): "In other words, in another attempt to troll,
you made yourself look like a fool. Again". 28 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
124- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here, in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours where
I live (well, I /think/...) Or is Snit really just someone whose HD you
accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot of, for
lack of a better word, unpleasantness - just from looking at today's
headers." 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
125- The Lost Packet (COLA): "well, he's found a seat in my killbin, I
can't be doing with him." 27 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
126- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're the one
lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to "I'm
right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples someone points at to
demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they provide
no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse still, you
fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to portray the
argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls that inhabit CSMA,
Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you are." 23 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
127- Thufir: "You can "prove" that no one has disproved your "proof"?
Again, your assertion that no one has done so is even *less* convincing
than your claim that some PDF "proves" whatever point you're trying to
make precisely because I'm familiar with your MO. That is, you're a
dumb-ass who would claim that that something is proved when it's not, and
who would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I don't know
what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that you're full of
shit." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
128-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you see, you
never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why just the
other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars (in this
NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar." 13 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
129- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more compassion.
Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor sick fool can
get attention. My fucking God, he's taken to hanging out with and
supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that no-one likes
him and those that pretend they do are just using him or don't know him -
but come on- it's not his fault. He's sick. Have some compassion, eh? All
these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy, MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are
all so alike. I pity each and every one of them" 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
130- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way you could
actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here." 14 Apr
2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
131- Timberwoof: "Plonk, Snit." 23 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c8df070c3e776c
132- tom_elam: "Killfile Steve C. and Snit" 07 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b50d0c973d21d995
133- TomB (COLA): "No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to make
me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to 'be
right'? If so, you're pathetic. And I don't say this because I like to say
it." 07 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
134- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one of
your Circus acts?" 20 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
135- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive "writings". You give
Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have succeeded! That
also goes for all that bullshit on your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
136- Tony(UK) (COLA): "Your email address in your headers just about sums
the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits involved
in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in doubt, deride,
insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging me." 10 Dec
2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
137- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with Snit. Most
people have him kill-filed and the few who don't mostly restrict their
responses to 'why don't you go away, no one wants you here'. Just what
would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be some
kind of severe mental illness." 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
138- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty" are nothing
more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you wish to define the
rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend the rules when
inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this reason I doubt anyone
would be foolish enough to play your game." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
139- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home more than
he's anywhere near a classroom".
140- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a mental breakdown
it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked up
mess he is." 29 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
141- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my sincere
apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're the first person
to be plonked from my new computer! :-) " 10 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
142- Woofbert: "*Plonk*"
143- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of posts, to
prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like that to people
without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping Snit to
do a search - you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry little
life." 25 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
144- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global killfile. No
subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye". 11 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
145- Znu: "The Snit Circus has gotten particularly bad as of late. When I
set up my filters to kill all of Snit's posts, plus direct replies to them
(which is how I'm keeping things from now on), nearly 40% of the most
recent 1000 articles in CSMA go out the window. .... In all, something
like 50% of the traffic in this group is now related to Snit insanity.
.... I killfile Edwin because I don't have a patience to have discussions
with someone who deliberately tries to waste my time. But watching *other
people* tie him knots can be entertaining. The Snit-related posts are not
like this. They are endless repetitions of the exact same material and/or
arguments dating back *years* about who said what." 20 Apr 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9244dd79c682b2d6
--
HPT
Tim Murray
Well, in my case I don't play loud music. If for example a call comes in
while I need the directions, I can reach for the phone and silence it
without messing with the GPS or simply ignore the ringing.
ed
in almost anything computer related, there's almost always something
you can do. but that's not really the point, right? ;D
but i'm still wondering what you think the problem of "encumbering" a
modern smart phone with doing a couple things at a time is.
KDT
> but i'm still wondering what you think the problem of "encumbering" a
> modern smart phone with doing a couple things at a time is.
Well, since you're on Sprint half the time when your phone is doing
something data related, voice calls go directly to voice mail.......
ed
um, not for me. maybe your phone's got issues, or sprint sucks in
your area.
KDT
http://www.htc.com/us/mobile/sprint/hero/03b_Data%20Service.16.13.html
"Can I make calls and use data services at the same time?
You cannot use voice and data services simultaneously. ******If you
receive a call while data service is active, your device forwards the
call to voicemail**********. You can place an outgoing call anytime,
but it will interrupt any
in-progress data session."
This is basically true on *every* phone on Sprint's CDMA network.
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185139
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/104380;jsessionid=09C35B140AA459350A115C8998D3CA54.app2jive1
ed
> On Nov 25, 11:44 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 25, 12:16 pm, KDT <scarface...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 25, 2:15 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
> > > > but i'm still wondering what you think the problem of "encumbering" a
> > > > modern smart phone with doing a couple things at a time is.
>
> > > Well, since you're on Sprint half the time when your phone is doing
> > > something data related, voice calls go directly to voice mail.......
>
> > um, not for me. maybe your phone's got issues, or sprint sucks in
> > your area.
>
> http://www.htc.com/us/mobile/sprint/hero/03b_Data%20Service.16.13.html
>
> "Can I make calls and use data services at the same time?
> You cannot use voice and data services simultaneously. ******If you
> receive a call while data service is active, your device forwards the
> call to voicemail**********. You can place an outgoing call anytime,
> but it will interrupt any
> in-progress data session."
>
> This is basically true on *every* phone on Sprint's CDMA network.
c'mon dude. base on what you said from your own experience, you know
that's not true. if it doesn't work for any phone, it wouldn't work
half the time for you, right? so:
- i just tried it *right now*, while streaming a youtube video (to and
from both an epic and evo).
so, as i said, there's something going on with your device or you have
bad service where you are. let's think this through then, shall we:
- your phone is either misconfigured such that ddtm is on- this will
prevent a call from coming through when your using data. this seems
very unlikely, since you say it works half the time.
- so it's probably the service in your area - i believe when you drop
to 1x (from ev-do) it will send the calls to voicemail- i believe i
recall that edge does the same thing.
<snip>
KDT
> >http://www.htc.com/us/mobile/sprint/hero/03b_Data%20Service.16.13.html
>
> > "Can I make calls and use data services at the same time?
> > You cannot use voice and data services simultaneously. ******If you
> > receive a call while data service is active, your device forwards the
> > call to voicemail**********. You can place an outgoing call anytime,
> > but it will interrupt any
> > in-progress data session."
>
> > This is basically true on *every* phone on Sprint's CDMA network.
>
> c'mon dude. base on what you said from your own experience, you know
> that's not true. if it doesn't work for any phone, it wouldn't work
> half the time for you, right? so:
> - i just tried it *right now*, while streaming a youtube video (to and
> from both an epic and evo).
Are you connected over "4G", Wifi. EVDO, or 1xRTT? Voice and data
should always work simultaneously. over 4G or WiFI, voice *should*
interrupt a data session over EVDO, and it always goes to voicemail
over 1RxTT. In this particular case, if you're using navigation
outside of a major city on the highway, more than likely you will have
spots using 1xRTT.
>
> so, as i said, there's something going on with your device or you have
> bad service where you are. let's think this through then, shall we:
>
> - your phone is either misconfigured such that ddtm is on- this will
> prevent a call from coming through when your using data. this seems
> very unlikely, since you say it works half the time.
> - so it's probably the service in your area - i believe when you drop
> to 1x (from ev-do) it will send the calls to voicemail- i believe i
> recall that edge does the same thing.
And in this case of navigation out in not quite the boonies (i.e. you
might have 1xRTT) your calls will go straight to voicemail. If you
are in the boonies, pray that you don't miss a turn so you don't have
to be rerouted. Either way, a dedicated device would be better (as Tim
Murray said) -- or at least an app that stores maps locally.
But back to Tim's original point about a dedicated device, my parents
just came off a two month cross country trip. My mom had a Samsung
Moment that she said at times couldn't connect to the network.
Luckily she also had a cheap TomTom and she's old/new school -- she
had a portable printer and a netbook (that damn Dell Mini I hate) and
she would print out MapQuest directions :).
Big Crotch on a Small Fish
LOL!
--
You Ain't the Biggest Fish in the Crotch
Snit
11/26/10 5:35 PM:
>>>> A good troll may not be very effective in the long run. Daniel
>>>> Johnsson is a pretty good troll. He pours out a lot of
>>>> misinformation, lies and misconceptions about more technical issues
>>>> that may look legit to the casual observer, but turns out to be
>>>> pure fantasy 9 times of 10.
>>>
>>> This is neither you nor Steve. You actually seem rather technically
>>> competent (though you are loath to admit your weaknesses); Carroll,
>>> while he sometimes heads this way (such as his BS about Mac problems
>>> which were clearly made up) tends to just spew nonsense and nit
>>> picks.
>>
>> Is this a reason why it's Sandman you've chosen to target with your
>> "professional" jealousy?
You are projecting. I have never claimed to be jealous of Sandman, you or
anyone in CSMA. Jealousy, however, is clearly one of the things that feeds
your obvious hatred of me. You were jealous when your ex/non-ex started
giving me *unwanted* attention, and you are jealous of my greater tech
understanding and understanding of logic. It is not like you hide this,
Steve.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Steve Carroll
> Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post 4cf05...@news.x-privat.org on
> 11/26/10 5:35 PM:
>
> >>>> A good troll may not be very effective in the long run. Daniel
> >>>> Johnsson is a pretty good troll. He pours out a lot of
> >>>> misinformation, lies and misconceptions about more technical issues
> >>>> that may look legit to the casual observer, but turns out to be
> >>>> pure fantasy 9 times of 10.
>
> >>> This is neither you nor Steve. You actually seem rather technically
> >>> competent (though you are loath to admit your weaknesses); Carroll,
> >>> while he sometimes heads this way (such as his BS about Mac problems
> >>> which were clearly made up) tends to just spew nonsense and nit
> >>> picks.
>
> >> Is this a reason why it's Sandman you've chosen to target with your
> >> "professional" jealousy?
>
> You are projecting.
Said the whining, delusional, lying hypocrite who flooded Sandman's
website and chased him around the ng for years because he's jealous of
Sandman's professional capabilities (that he'll never possess because
he's too busy spending his time trolling people on usenet). Remind me
again why over 100 posters have all labeled you a liar troll or worse.
LOL!
> I have never claimed to be jealous of Sandman
You "never" had to, it was obvious to everyone who ever read more than
7 of your posts.
Additional Hint: The scores (or is it hundreds?) of threads you've
created over the years with his name in the title were sort of a
giveaway.
> , you or
> anyone in CSMA. Jealousy, however, is clearly one of the things that feeds
> your obvious hatred of me.
Sure... I really want to be a whining, delusional, lying hypocrite to
the level you are but I just can't seem to pull if off, LOL!
(snip Snit's attempt to bring Elizabot back into his life)
Big Crotch on a Small Fish
LOL!
Snit
11/26/10 7:27 PM:
>> level you are but I just can't seem to pull if off, LOL! You were jealous
>> when your ex/non-ex started giving me *unwanted* attention, and you are
>> jealous of my greater tech understanding and understanding of logic. It is
>> not like you hide this, Steve.
> LOL!
Re-read your own comments, Steve. You call me names, accuse of things I
never did, and otherwise prove I am right about you being filled with rage,
hatred and jealousy.
It is not like you hide it.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Steve Carroll
> Big Crotch on a Small Fish stated in post 4cf06c9...@news.x-privat.org on
Are you claiming that you never flooded Sandman's site? Or that you
never authored bunches of threads with his name in the title? Are you
saying that Sandman's "evidence" that you flooded his site isn't
"strong" ? Or that the Google archive is in error when it shows you as
the author of those many threads over the years?
Big Crotch on a Small Fish
LOL!
Snit
11/26/10 9:12 PM:
Once again you realize you are wrong so you spew accusations and insults.
You cannot help but show your hatred and your jealousy.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
ed
> On Nov 26, 4:55 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.htc.com/us/mobile/sprint/hero/03b_Data%20Service.16.13.html
>
> > > "Can I make calls and use data services at the same time?
> > > You cannot use voice and data services simultaneously. ******If you
> > > receive a call while data service is active, your device forwards the
> > > call to voicemail**********. You can place an outgoing call anytime,
> > > but it will interrupt any
> > > in-progress data session."
>
> > > This is basically true on *every* phone on Sprint's CDMA network.
>
> > c'mon dude. base on what you said from your own experience, you know
> > that's not true. if it doesn't work for any phone, it wouldn't work
> > half the time for you, right? so:
> > - i just tried it *right now*, while streaming a youtube video (to and
> > from both an epic and evo).
>
> Are you connected over "4G", Wifi. EVDO, or 1xRTT? Voice and data
> should always work simultaneously. over 4G or WiFI, voice *should*
> interrupt a data session over EVDO, and it always goes to voicemail
> over 1RxTT. In this particular case, if you're using navigation
> outside of a major city on the highway, more than likely you will have
> spots using 1xRTT.
that's an awfully verbose way of saying i'm right. ;D
but you emphasize *should* like it means something. like my car
*should* start, my bones should support me, and the sun *should* rise-
without reasons to think that they shouldn't (i've got an unreliable
car or it's been in the shop, i've broken my leg, we're expecting the
end of the universe, etc), your emphasis of *should* actually means
nothing.
> > so, as i said, there's something going on with your device or you have
> > bad service where you are. let's think this through then, shall we:
>
> > - your phone is either misconfigured such that ddtm is on- this will
> > prevent a call from coming through when your using data. this seems
> > very unlikely, since you say it works half the time.
> > - so it's probably the service in your area - i believe when you drop
> > to 1x (from ev-do) it will send the calls to voicemail- i believe i
> > recall that edge does the same thing.
>
> And in this case of navigation out in not quite the boonies (i.e. you
> might have 1xRTT) your calls will go straight to voicemail. If you
> are in the boonies, pray that you don't miss a turn so you don't have
> to be rerouted. Either way, a dedicated device would be better (as Tim
> Murray said) -- or at least an app that stores maps locally.
yes, a dedicated device has advantages. just because you're out in
the boonies doesn't mean your call goes straight to voicemail- a well
designed network based map app will cache the route when you ask for
directions.
> But back to Tim's original point about a dedicated device, my parents
> just came off a two month cross country trip. My mom had a Samsung
> Moment that she said at times couldn't connect to the network.
> Luckily she also had a cheap TomTom and she's old/new school -- she
> had a portable printer and a netbook (that damn Dell Mini I hate) and
> she would print out MapQuest directions :).
ok. doesn't really support tim's og point about 'encumbering' a
device though.
KDT
> > Are you connected over "4G", Wifi. EVDO, or 1xRTT? Voice and data
> > should always work simultaneously. over 4G or WiFI, voice *should*
> > interrupt a data session over EVDO, and it always goes to voicemail
> > over 1RxTT. In this particular case, if you're using navigation
> > outside of a major city on the highway, more than likely you will have
> > spots using 1xRTT.
>
> that's an awfully verbose way of saying i'm right. ;D
No, you're not. Unless you also disagree with the *manual on
Samsung's website specifically talking about the Hero on Sprint's
network*, But silly me actually citing the manufacturers
documentation. But what do they know?
>
> but you emphasize *should* like it means something. like my car
> *should* start, my bones should support me, and the sun *should* rise-
> without reasons to think that they shouldn't (i've got an unreliable
> car or it's been in the shop, i've broken my leg, we're expecting the
> end of the universe, etc), your emphasis of *should* actually means
> nothing.
Uhh yeah, I see you the two phones that you cite are both the only two
phones that use Sprint's "4G" network. Voice and data *never* work
simultaneously on either EVDO or 1xRTT, voice *never* interrupts data
on 1xRTT and *sometimes* it will if you are on an EVDO network -- not
exactly reliable. But I guess once again, we should believe you over
the manufacturer's own documentation on a currently shipping phone....
Is this going to be another one of those flights of fancy like the
magical "anti-fragmentation" api that only you know about?
>
> > > so, as i said, there's something going on with your device or you have
> > > bad service where you are. let's think this through then, shall we:
>
> > > - your phone is either misconfigured such that ddtm is on- this will
> > > prevent a call from coming through when your using data. this seems
> > > very unlikely, since you say it works half the time.
> > > - so it's probably the service in your area - i believe when you drop
> > > to 1x (from ev-do) it will send the calls to voicemail- i believe i
> > > recall that edge does the same thing.
>
> > And in this case of navigation out in not quite the boonies (i.e. you
> > might have 1xRTT) your calls will go straight to voicemail. If you
> > are in the boonies, pray that you don't miss a turn so you don't have
> > to be rerouted. Either way, a dedicated device would be better (as Tim
> > Murray said) -- or at least an app that stores maps locally.
>
> yes, a dedicated device has advantages. just because you're out in
> the boonies doesn't mean your call goes straight to voicemail- a well
> designed network based map app will cache the route when you ask for
> directions.
Uh yeah, but you did see the part about making sure you don't miss a
turn didn't you? And even if it does "cache the directions". It
doesn't cache the real time graphics while you're driving. If you're
out in the boonies, you *don't* have EVDO and are lucky to have
1xRTT. If you are on 1xRTT voice does *not* interrupt data.
>
> > But back to Tim's original point about a dedicated device, my parents
> > just came off a two month cross country trip. My mom had a Samsung
> > Moment that she said at times couldn't connect to the network.
> > Luckily she also had a cheap TomTom and she's old/new school -- she
> > had a portable printer and a netbook (that damn Dell Mini I hate) and
> > she would print out MapQuest directions :).
>
> ok. doesn't really support tim's og point about 'encumbering' a
> device though.
How is not having a separate device that does not depend on picking up
a cell phone signal for directions, reroutes, graphics etc. and that
will *never* block phone calls prove to be less reliable than one that
does? Besides, my phone slowly loses charge even when it's on the
charger while the navigation is running.
Sandman
"Big Crotch on a Small Fish" <BigCrotch@SmallFish> wrote:
> >>>> Sure... I really want to be a whining, delusional, lying hypocrite
> >>>> to the level you are but I just can't seem to pull if off, LOL!
> >>>> You were jealous when your ex/non-ex started giving me *unwanted*
> >>>> attention, and you are jealous of my greater tech understanding
> >>>> and understanding of logic. It is not like you hide this, Steve.
> >>> LOL!
> >>
> >> Re-read your own comments, Steve. You call me names, accuse of
> >> things I never did,
> >
> > Are you claiming that you never flooded Sandman's site? Or that you
> > never authored bunches of threads with his name in the title? Are you
> > saying that Sandman's "evidence" that you flooded his site isn't
> > "strong" ? Or that the Google archive is in error when it shows you as
> > the author of those many threads over the years?
>
> LOL!
So basically, to keep up the illusion that Snit has Steve killfiled,
he has now introduced a new sock that replies with "LOL" to Steve,
which means that Snit can reply (five minutes later) to his sock
puppet and pretend he never saw the original post.
--
Sandman[.net]
ed
> On Nov 27, 1:09 am, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> > > Are you connected over "4G", Wifi. EVDO, or 1xRTT? Voice and data
> > > should always work simultaneously. over 4G or WiFI, voice *should*
> > > interrupt a data session over EVDO, and it always goes to voicemail
> > > over 1RxTT. In this particular case, if you're using navigation
> > > outside of a major city on the highway, more than likely you will have
> > > spots using 1xRTT.
>
> > that's an awfully verbose way of saying i'm right. ;D
>
> No, you're not.
actually i am. what do you think, specifically, i'm wrong about?
from the beginning, i pointed out that part of the issue might be when
you don't have good coverage. i.e. 1x, which if it wasn't clear to
you in the first post, should have been in the one you responded to
(you know, where i mention 1x specifically).
> Unless you also disagree with the *manual on
> Samsung's website specifically talking about the Hero on Sprint's
> network*, But silly me actually citing the manufacturers
> documentation. But what do they know?
1- so you claim to have a hero, but you don't even know who
manufacturers it, even though it's got a htc logo right on the top
left? ;D
2- documentation can be wrong, eh?
2a- what documentation are you talking about- the first faq you
posted? that's clearly not correct, as it doesn't even agree with
your own experience.
> > but you emphasize *should* like it means something. like my car
> > *should* start, my bones should support me, and the sun *should* rise-
> > without reasons to think that they shouldn't (i've got an unreliable
> > car or it's been in the shop, i've broken my leg, we're expecting the
> > end of the universe, etc), your emphasis of *should* actually means
> > nothing.
>
> Uhh yeah, I see you the two phones that you cite are both the only two
> phones that use Sprint's "4G" network.
not the first phones i've had on sprint though.
> Voice and data *never* work
> simultaneously on either EVDO or 1xRTT,
which isn't what's been debated, but yup.
> voice *never* interrupts data
> on 1xRTT
which i said.
> and *sometimes* it will if you are on an EVDO network -- not
> exactly reliable.
by what metric?
> But I guess once again, we should believe you over
> the manufacturer's own documentation on a currently shipping phone....
which part are you talking about? the doc which says what it should
do? is the "should" *really* what you're taking issue with? really?
> Is this going to be another one of those flights of fancy like the
> magical "anti-fragmentation" api that only you know about?
you mean the api's which, when coupled with recommended practices,
have been proven to allow apps that follow them to scale pretty
seamlessly to higher resolution devices (like tablets) that they
weren't designed or tested for? i'm certainly not the only one that
knows about them, and i certainly wouldn't call them magical, but if
you don't understand them and want to attribute it to magic, hey, it's
your words not mine. ;D
> > > > so, as i said, there's something going on with your device or you have
> > > > bad service where you are. let's think this through then, shall we:
>
> > > > - your phone is either misconfigured such that ddtm is on- this will
> > > > prevent a call from coming through when your using data. this seems
> > > > very unlikely, since you say it works half the time.
> > > > - so it's probably the service in your area - i believe when you drop
> > > > to 1x (from ev-do) it will send the calls to voicemail- i believe i
> > > > recall that edge does the same thing.
>
> > > And in this case of navigation out in not quite the boonies (i.e. you
> > > might have 1xRTT) your calls will go straight to voicemail. If you
> > > are in the boonies, pray that you don't miss a turn so you don't have
> > > to be rerouted. Either way, a dedicated device would be better (as Tim
> > > Murray said) -- or at least an app that stores maps locally.
>
> > yes, a dedicated device has advantages. just because you're out in
> > the boonies doesn't mean your call goes straight to voicemail- a well
> > designed network based map app will cache the route when you ask for
> > directions.
>
> Uh yeah, but you did see the part about making sure you don't miss a
> turn didn't you? And even if it does "cache the directions". It
> doesn't cache the real time graphics while you're driving.
none of the graphics are "real time" (what, you think you're getting
live sat feeds or something?), and yes, it (google maps) does cache
the graphics.
> If you're
> out in the boonies, you *don't* have EVDO and are lucky to have
> 1xRTT. If you are on 1xRTT voice does *not* interrupt data.
yes, i said that 1x doesn't data for voice. but only when in active
use. if the data is cached, the 1x wouldn't be in use, and there
wouldn't be anything to interrupt.
> > > But back to Tim's original point about a dedicated device, my parents
> > > just came off a two month cross country trip. My mom had a Samsung
> > > Moment that she said at times couldn't connect to the network.
> > > Luckily she also had a cheap TomTom and she's old/new school -- she
> > > had a portable printer and a netbook (that damn Dell Mini I hate) and
> > > she would print out MapQuest directions :).
>
> > ok. doesn't really support tim's og point about 'encumbering' a
> > device though.
>
> How is not having a separate device that does not depend on picking up
> a cell phone signal for directions, reroutes, graphics etc. and that
> will *never* block phone calls prove to be less reliable than one that
> does?
making up arguments again?
> Besides, my phone slowly loses charge even when it's on the
> charger while the navigation is running.
get a 1 amp charger. many car chargers are 500ma.
Tattoo Vampire
> So basically, to keep up the illusion that Snit has Steve killfiled,
> he has now introduced a new sock that replies with "LOL" to Steve,
> which means that Snit can reply (five minutes later) to his sock
> puppet and pretend he never saw the original post.
That's our Snit... he has no one killfiled for one simple reason: He loves
any and all followups his posts get, regardelss of content or author. He
craves and loves the attention.
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High Plains Thumper
> Sandman wrote:
>
>> So basically, to keep up the illusion that Snit has Steve killfiled, he
>> has now introduced a new sock that replies with "LOL" to Steve, which
>> means that Snit can reply (five minutes later) to his sock puppet and
>> pretend he never saw the original post.
>
> That's our Snit... he has no one killfiled for one simple reason: He
> author. He craves and loves the attention.
It is for this very reason among others that others and I have Snit
bozo-binned. He is a nasty ad hominem troll; that "Big Crotch on a Small
Fish" is a Michael Glasser sock is of no surprise.
Sandman did thorough research to prove Snit uses socks:
http://csma.sandman.net/pages/Michael_Digest_New_Sock_Puppet
(If you look to the menu at the right of Sandman's webpage, it has other
articles of interest (or non-interest) of Snit's trolling methods.)
Yup, "Big Crotch on a Small Fish" follows in the footsteps of other Snit
socks such as Joel Crump, Rhino Plastee, ceed, Omar Murad Asfour, Steve
Carroll's Dog and ad nauseum. As these posters have stated:
26- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest liar in
Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
99- Peter Kohlmann (COLA):
ceed: "Oh please, I have heard how stupid he is and his real name tons of
time. It's getting old."
Peter: "Snot Glasser is invading this group with his inane drivel, so he
has to bear what people think about that dishonest retard. And just for
the record: You *are* a Glasser sock" 30 Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
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Steve Carroll
(snip)
> >>> Re-read your own comments, Steve. You call me names, accuse of
> >>> things I never did,
>
> >> Are you claiming that you never flooded Sandman's site? Or that you
> >> never authored bunches of threads with his name in the title? Are you
> >> saying that Sandman's "evidence" that you flooded his site isn't
> >> "strong" ? Or that the Google archive is in error when it shows you as
> >> the author of those many threads over the years?
>
> > LOL!
>
> Once again you realize you are wrong so you spew accusations and insults.
> You cannot help but show your hatred and your jealousy.
Those were called questions, Snit.
Steve Carroll
> In article <4cf0851...@news.x-privat.org>,
Weird, isn't it?
Snit
11/27/10 1:46 AM:
Proof that Steve's BS has humiliated him - his "crew" will now jump in and
start defending him and lying for him.
Got it.
And 100% predictable.
All because Steve did not know how to make aliases. And then I showed him
how. Oh no!
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Big Crotch on a Small Fish
LOL!