Win 7
Chris Ahlstrom
any updates get done.
Opening Firefox was slow as hell. OpenOffice not so bad, but no faster
than Linux. Word comes up pretty quick.
The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
Java update comin' in.
Can I get back to Linux now?
--
Something's rotten in the state of Denmark.
-- Shakespeare
Clogwog
news:hkcnip$sum$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Well, haven't been logged into Win 7 in a few weeks, so am now to let
> any updates get done.
>
> Opening Firefox was slow as hell.
System specs?
> OpenOffice not so bad, but no faster
> than Linux. Word comes up pretty quick.
As might be expected
>
> The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
> access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
Why do you need 2 internet connections?
>
> Java update comin' in.
As might be expected
>
> Can I get back to Linux now?
Depends on the distro but most are crap! Get Mint!
HTH & GFIA
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht
> news:hkcnip$sum$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Well, haven't been logged into Win 7 in a few weeks, so am now to let
>> any updates get done.
>>
>> Opening Firefox was slow as hell.
>
> System specs?
Single core chip.
Win 7 is slower than Linux (by a small amount) at the first opening of
Firefox on this machine.
>> The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
>> access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
>
> Why do you need 2 internet connections?
Why not?
>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>
> Depends on the distro but most are crap! Get Mint!
Nah. Distros are 90 to 99% the same stuff. I mostly use Debian.
Fedora on a laptop.
By the way, Win 7 isn't too bad... it's issues are mostly minor.
Win 7 has one big issue, though... it isn't Linux.
Win 7 has another big issue, though... the predatory nature of Microsoft.
--
Today is National Existential Ennui Awareness Day.
Phil Da Lick!
And whoever thought up the taskbar paradigm should be shot. Those icons
with the only indication of an open app being a border are pants. I
actually prefer to use Vista at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind
with more use, but I doubt it.
DFS
> Well, haven't been logged into Win 7 in a few weeks, so am now to let
> any updates get done.
>
> Opening Firefox was slow as hell. OpenOffice not so bad, but no
> faster than Linux. Word comes up pretty quick.
>
> The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
> access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
>
> Java update comin' in.
>
> Can I get back to Linux now?
Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your household
wouldn't like that...
JEDIDIAH
Are you complaining about Windows or MacOS?
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than your camera can hold. Really. / | \
Chris Ahlstrom
Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
:-D
--
The holy passion of Friendship is of so sweet and steady and loyal and
enduring a nature that it will last through a whole lifetime, if not asked to
lend money.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On 2010-02-03, Phil Da Lick! <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win 7 has another big issue, though... the predatory nature of Microsoft.
>>>
>>> And whoever thought up the taskbar paradigm should be shot. Those icons
>>> with the only indication of an open app being a border are pants. I
>>> actually prefer to use Vista at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind
>>> with more use, but I doubt it.
>>
>> Are you complaining about Windows or MacOS?
>
> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>
> :-D
MacOS puts a little dot under the icon in the dock.
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/ | \
vi is easy to REPLACE.
Joel
>And whoever thought up the taskbar paradigm should be shot. Those icons
>with the only indication of an open app being a border are pants. I
>actually prefer to use Vista at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind
>with more use, but I doubt it.
One of the very first things I did after first booting 7 was to have
the taskbar use text labels with no grouping (and unpin everything
from the taskbar). It's really quite amazing to see how the default
UI settings (for the most part - I do like Aero, and 7's Start menu)
of neo-NT versions (XP and forward) are so hideous and useless. Then
again, it's pretty simple to make it look more like 2K.
--
Joel Crump
Snit
11:56 PM:
I went back and forth for a while. I think the default settings make sense
for people who use relatively few windows in lots of programs... and the
"2K" setting make sense for people who use more windows per program but
fewer programs. With it mattering less and less if a program is left
running, it also makes sense to have the launcher and the program switcher
combined... much like it is on OS X.
Pretty much the new taskbar is like the OS X dock but with a twist on
"Expos�"... one that is in at least some ways better than what OS X does. I
suspect OS X 10.7 will bring some relatively large changes to the OS X UI...
should be interesting to see what Apple comes up with. Good to have Apple
and Windows (and KDE and Gnome, at least to some extent) all pushing each
other. Sure, each will take some missteps as they try to outdo the others,
but you have different teams all working to compete. Good for the market, I
think.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Joel
>> One of the very first things I did after first booting 7 was to have
>> the taskbar use text labels with no grouping (and unpin everything
>> from the taskbar). It's really quite amazing to see how the default
>> UI settings (for the most part - I do like Aero, and 7's Start menu)
>> of neo-NT versions (XP and forward) are so hideous and useless. Then
>> again, it's pretty simple to make it look more like 2K.
>
>I went back and forth for a while. I think the default settings make sense
>for people who use relatively few windows in lots of programs...
I certainly don't oppose them being the default settings - I'm sure
they had their reasons for it. I tend to comb through almost every
setting in the entire OS within a couple days after a clean install
(most of them right after installing), so it doesn't affect me.
> and the
>"2K" setting make sense for people who use more windows per program but
>fewer programs.
Perhaps, but in my case, it's more of a "let me do everything myself,
you fucking computer" thing. Windows NT (which I still like to call
it) is a powerful, modern OS, and XP's cheap graphics-overlay "theme"
crud, or 7's pretty (-dumb) default taskbar ruin that experience.
Then again, I'm actually interested in the internal code design, and
the comparisons to old versions - not someone who is impressed with
idiotic luserware starting when I boot up and twinkling on my desktop,
and reminding me to do my laundry, or whatever.
> With it mattering less and less if a program is left
>running, it also makes sense to have the launcher and the program switcher
>combined... much like it is on OS X.
It's not a bad feature to offer, to be sure - but useless to me, since
I use the excellent new Start menu. With XP, I didn't like the
default Start menu, but the classic one wasn't very quick for frequent
use, so I had a folder on the desktop with a few dozen shortcuts to
all my stuff. Now, by pinning the most important things to the Start
menu, and using the much better access to the All Programs section for
everything else, I don't need that.
>Pretty much the new taskbar is like the OS X dock but with a twist on
>"Expos�"... one that is in at least some ways better than what OS X does. I
>suspect OS X 10.7 will bring some relatively large changes to the OS X UI...
>should be interesting to see what Apple comes up with. Good to have Apple
>and Windows (and KDE and Gnome, at least to some extent) all pushing each
>other. Sure, each will take some missteps as they try to outdo the others,
>but you have different teams all working to compete. Good for the market, I
>think.
Imitation is the most sincere form of competing for market share. :)
--
Joel Crump
Clogwog
> JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On 2010-02-03, Phil Da Lick!
>> <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win 7 has another big issue, though... the predatory nature of
>>>> Microsoft.
>>>
>>> And whoever thought up the taskbar paradigm should be shot. Those icons
>>> with the only indication of an open app being a border are pants. I
>>> actually prefer to use Vista at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind
>>> with more use, but I doubt it.
>>
>> Are you complaining about Windows or MacOS?
>
> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>
> :-D
>
http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu810alpha4-large_013.jpg
Phil Da Lick!
Winders. 7. Haven't yet looked in depth at the config optins Joel
mentioned. Will do so tonight when I beef the RAM up. It's on my lad's
computer and he's into UT3 atm. 1GB just won't cut it :) (although UT3
worked fine in 1GB on XP).
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht
>>
>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>
>> :-D
>>
> This one looks quite shitty to me!
> http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu810alpha4-large_013.jpg
What are you doing running a Sempron?!
And zero bytes disk space!
Wassamatta, can't ya afford a RAM disk?
--
A few hours grace before the madness begins again.
Snit
1:33 AM:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> One of the very first things I did after first booting 7 was to have
>>> the taskbar use text labels with no grouping (and unpin everything
>>> from the taskbar). It's really quite amazing to see how the default
>>> UI settings (for the most part - I do like Aero, and 7's Start menu)
>>> of neo-NT versions (XP and forward) are so hideous and useless. Then
>>> again, it's pretty simple to make it look more like 2K.
>>
>> I went back and forth for a while. I think the default settings make sense
>> for people who use relatively few windows in lots of programs...
>
> I certainly don't oppose them being the default settings - I'm sure
> they had their reasons for it. I tend to comb through almost every
> setting in the entire OS within a couple days after a clean install
> (most of them right after installing), so it doesn't affect me.
As do I and, I assume, most COLA folks.
I did leave out a group: those who use relatively few programs with few
windows each. I think the defaults work for that use-case well... and it
likely the norm.
>
>
>> and the
>> "2K" setting make sense for people who use more windows per program but
>> fewer programs.
>
>
> Perhaps, but in my case, it's more of a "let me do everything myself,
> you fucking computer" thing. Windows NT (which I still like to call
> it) is a powerful, modern OS, and XP's cheap graphics-overlay "theme"
> crud, or 7's pretty (-dumb) default taskbar ruin that experience.
I do not see how it is the computer letting you do more or less of your
think with either taskbar method. I am happy MS kept the taskbar flexible
enough to allow people to do things the "old" way. Is that what you mean?
> Then again, I'm actually interested in the internal code design, and
> the comparisons to old versions - not someone who is impressed with
> idiotic luserware starting when I boot up and twinkling on my desktop,
> and reminding me to do my laundry, or whatever.
Yeah, I want the OS tools to be there when I want them and otherwise to stay
out of my way. One think I like about Win 7 are the fewer popups.
>> With it mattering less and less if a program is left
>> running, it also makes sense to have the launcher and the program switcher
>> combined... much like it is on OS X.
>
> It's not a bad feature to offer, to be sure - but useless to me, since
> I use the excellent new Start menu. With XP, I didn't like the
> default Start menu, but the classic one wasn't very quick for frequent
> use, so I had a folder on the desktop with a few dozen shortcuts to
> all my stuff. Now, by pinning the most important things to the Start
> menu, and using the much better access to the All Programs section for
> everything else, I don't need that.
I agree the Start menu is better... would be better yet if the norm of
programs was to have one icon represent the program (not a folder). OS X
has the right idea with application "packages"... a single icon to the
general user and for general use, but a folder for advanced users when they
have the need.
>> Pretty much the new taskbar is like the OS X dock but with a twist on
>> "Expos�"... one that is in at least some ways better than what OS X does. I
>> suspect OS X 10.7 will bring some relatively large changes to the OS X UI...
>> should be interesting to see what Apple comes up with. Good to have Apple
>> and Windows (and KDE and Gnome, at least to some extent) all pushing each
>> other. Sure, each will take some missteps as they try to outdo the others,
>> but you have different teams all working to compete. Good for the market, I
>> think.
>
>
> Imitation is the most sincere form of competing for market share. :)
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Lusotec
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> (...)
>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>
Nonsense! There is plenty of money to be made with GNU/Linux, especially in
server and embedded systems. On the desktop, money opportunities are scarcer
but do exist. Administration is one possibility.
Regards.
Chris Ahlstrom
DFS still doesn't get that I use Linux *most* of the time to do my work.
Silly bastard!
--
Q: What do you call a WASP who doesn't work for his father, isn't a
lawyer, and believes in social causes?
A: A failure.
JEDIDIAH
It's a tool. You make money by using the tool, not building the tool.
You can only invent the screwdriver once really. Sure you can create a
bogus system to try and get money from every screwdriver user yearly in
perpetuity but that's not really a viable thing in the end. Eventually,
screwdriver users will tire of being annually screwed over.
--
Truth is irrelevant as long as the predictions are good. |||
/ | \
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> (...)
>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>
>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
>
> Nonsense! There is plenty of money to be made with GNU/Linux,
Not by Linosuck, to whom I was addressing that.
> especially in server and embedded systems. On the desktop, money
> opportunities are scarcer but do exist. Administration is one
> possibility.
I agree. Good luck convincing cola "advocate$" to find Linux jobs - they
stick with MS\Windows through thick and thin.
Clogwog
> JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On 2010-02-03, Phil Da Lick!
>> <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win 7 has another big issue, though... the predatory nature of
>>>> Microsoft.
>>>
>>> And whoever thought up the taskbar paradigm should be shot. Those icons
>>> with the only indication of an open app being a border are pants. I
>>> actually prefer to use Vista at this point. Maybe I'll change my mind
>>> with more use, but I doubt it.
>>
>> Are you complaining about Windows or MacOS?
>
> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>
>
> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>
"for evaluating purposes only build 6033"
oktober 28, 2008 10:00 AM
DFS
> DFS still doesn't get that I use Linux *most* of the time to do my
> work.
Then you're no longer writing Windows code like you used to claim you did.
So what's your new job, Linosuck?
> Silly bastard!
Emasculated cola suckup.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Lusotec pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> (...)
>>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>>
>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
>>
>> Nonsense! There is plenty of money to be made with GNU/Linux, especially in
>> server and embedded systems. On the desktop, money opportunities are scarcer
>> but do exist. Administration is one possibility.
>
> DFS still doesn't get that I use Linux *most* of the time to do my work.
Sure you do....
--
2/4/2010 12:07:44 PM
Clogwog
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht
>>>
>>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>>
>>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>>
>>> :-D
>>>
>> This one looks quite shitty to me!
>> http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu810alpha4-large_013.jpg
> What are you doing running a Sempron?!
>
> And zero bytes disk space!
>
> Wassamatta, can't ya afford a RAM disk?
>
http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Ubuntu-9-10-Alpha-1-Screenshot-Tour-2.jpg/
rippled poo this time!
I bet they threw a stone in a slurry pit and made a picture of it!
Chris Ahlstrom
> On 2010-02-04, Lusotec <nom...@nomail.not> wrote:
The only tool here, Jed, is DFS.
--
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A: In the United States you can't buy anything for zlotys and in
Poland you can't either, while in the U.S. you can get whatever
you want for dollars, just as you can in Poland.
-- being told in Poland, 1987
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht
> news:hkdaqo$u1v$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>
>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>
> You're a troll and not a very good one, now are you Chris?!
> "for evaluating purposes only build 6033"
> oktober 28, 2008 10:00 AM
Although I know you're a crazy bastard, I also thought you were smart.
I posted that picture because it was *out of focus*.
I guess you thought the fuzz was due to ClearType :-D
--
Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner.
chrisv
>Clogwog wrote:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote:
>>>
>>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>>
>>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>>
>> You're a troll and not a very good one, now are you Chris?!
>> "for evaluating purposes only build 6033"
>> oktober 28, 2008 10:00 AM
>
>Although I know you're a crazy bastard, I also thought you were smart.
>
>I posted that picture because it was *out of focus*.
>
>I guess you thought the fuzz was due to ClearType :-D
LOL Toilet-clog "smart"?
Maybe he would be, if he stayed off the glue...
--
'How can the IT dept make a decision on which "for free" distro will
still be there (in two years)?' - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
Clogwog
> Clogwog pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:hkdaqo$u1v$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>>
>>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>>
>> You're a troll and not a very good one, now are you Chris?!
>> "for evaluating purposes only build 6033"
>> oktober 28, 2008 10:00 AM
>
> Although I know you're a crazy bastard, I also thought you were smart.
You forgot the usual <grin>, so maybe I was mislead! ;-)
>
> I posted that picture because it was *out of focus*.
The whole damn gallery "out of focus" ?
>
> I guess you thought the fuzz was due to ClearType :-D
Turn it on, Chris, you love it!
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/step1.aspx
Moshe Goldfarb
Ubuntu is by far the ugliest looking Linux distribution.
Shit brown.
--
2/4/2010 4:07:27 PM
Clogwog
news:u69mm5dvliccjhs78...@4ax.com...
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>Clogwog wrote:
>>
>>> "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>>>
>>> You're a troll and not a very good one, now are you Chris?!
>>> "for evaluating purposes only build 6033"
>>> oktober 28, 2008 10:00 AM
>>
>>Although I know you're a crazy bastard, I also thought you were smart.
>>
>>I posted that picture because it was *out of focus*.
>>
>>I guess you thought the fuzz was due to ClearType :-D
>
> LOL Toilet-clog
Rather sad this is said by a notorious *bottom* poster like you!, just cos
you like us to believe that you plonked the so called Wintrolls, which you
did *not*!
I often wonder why you Linux loons have this strange fixation on human body
parts, especially the private parts!
Now, slink away lol -ling about your toilets and your bottoms and that kind
of childish stuff!
TomB
I think it's... daring. Easily changed too, by the way.
I don't know if there was any thought, but the brown 'earthy' theme
kind of fits in the bigger picture:
Wind -> Windows Aero
Water -> OSX Aqua
Earth -> Ubuntu
Now we only need a 'fire' OS and we have the four elements :-)
--
You can get further with a kind word and a gun than you can with just
a kind word.
~ Capone, The Untouchables
chrisv
> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>
>> Ubuntu is by far the ugliest looking Linux distribution.
>> Shit brown.
Maybe that's why "Hadron" hates it so much - it's like seeing into his
own shitty mind.
>I think it's... daring. Easily changed too, by the way.
>
>I don't know if there was any thought, but the brown 'earthy' theme
>kind of fits in the bigger picture:
>
>Wind -> Windows Aero
>Water -> OSX Aqua
>Earth -> Ubuntu
>
>Now we only need a 'fire' OS and we have the four elements :-)
You're fired. 8)
--
"OSS is far more likely to break standards because of the lack of
formal acceptance tests" - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
Joel
>>> I went back and forth for a while. I think the default settings make sense
>>> for people who use relatively few windows in lots of programs...
>>
>> I certainly don't oppose them being the default settings - I'm sure
>> they had their reasons for it. I tend to comb through almost every
>> setting in the entire OS within a couple days after a clean install
>> (most of them right after installing), so it doesn't affect me.
>
>As do I and, I assume, most COLA folks.
Yup, I really do enjoy this group and CSMA for that reason. Even
though I don't (currently) use Linux or OS X, it is a lot more
stimulating than the Win7 group. ;)
>I did leave out a group: those who use relatively few programs with few
>windows each. I think the defaults work for that use-case well... and it
>likely the norm.
My mom's laptop has a pretty small screen, and it seems to work well
for that kind of environment. I use two rows for my taskbar, so that
even with many windows open, it doesn't really need grouping or the
lack of text labels.
>>> and the
>>> "2K" setting make sense for people who use more windows per program but
>>> fewer programs.
>>
>> Perhaps, but in my case, it's more of a "let me do everything myself,
>> you fucking computer" thing. Windows NT (which I still like to call
>> it) is a powerful, modern OS, and XP's cheap graphics-overlay "theme"
>> crud, or 7's pretty (-dumb) default taskbar ruin that experience.
>
>I do not see how it is the computer letting you do more or less of your
>think with either taskbar method. I am happy MS kept the taskbar flexible
>enough to allow people to do things the "old" way. Is that what you mean?
It is pretty much what I meant, yes, but it really is one of those
things about using Windows on a desktop (with a relatively large
screen) that adds functionality - I can use the mouse to quickly
access the specific window of the specific program that I want. Other
options are important to include, but it'd be hard to get used to them
on my primary computer (although, with a laptop for away-from-home
use, I could see the advantage, since I wouldn't leave certain things
always running).
>I agree the Start menu is better... would be better yet if the norm of
>programs was to have one icon represent the program (not a folder). OS X
>has the right idea with application "packages"... a single icon to the
>general user and for general use, but a folder for advanced users when they
>have the need.
Sometimes I'll manually copy the main shortcut into the root Programs
folder, so that I can access it more quickly (or just pin it to the
Start menu, if it's something I really rely on).
--
Joel Crump
Marti van Lin
Now, you're playing with Fire 8-)
Even the logo is... uhm ...
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Chris Ahlstrom
> I don't know if there was any thought, but the brown 'earthy' theme
> kind of fits in the bigger picture:
>
> Wind -> Windows Aero
> Water -> OSX Aqua
> Earth -> Ubuntu
>
> Now we only need a 'fire' OS and we have the four elements :-)
BSD.
--
You worry too much about your job. Stop it. You are not paid enough to worry.
Marti van Lin
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Clogwog wrote:
>>
>>> "Chris Ahlstrom" wrote:
>>>> Win 7 looks awful! Check this out!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.informationweek.com/galleries/showImage.jhtml?galleryID=268&imageID=39&articleID=211601289
>>>>
>>> You're a troll and not a very good one, now are you Chris?!
>>> "for evaluating purposes only build 6033"
>>> oktober 28, 2008 10:00 AM
>> Although I know you're a crazy bastard, I also thought you were smart.
>>
>> I posted that picture because it was *out of focus*.
>>
>> I guess you thought the fuzz was due to ClearType :-D
>
> LOL Toilet-clog "smart"?
>
> Maybe he would be, if he stayed off the glue...
>
nyms are quite telling.
And may I remind everyone of his imbecilic "sig", where the mar00n brags
about a "sperm-and-egg-omelet".
The Clogster is completely insane, it's nothing but a pathetic regular
troll, so eager for attention.
The worst thing you can do is *IGNORE* it, that will piss it off.
Because it's nothing but a pathetic attention seeker.
Just as simple as that :-p
Moshe Goldfarb
> Doh! if you knew Dutch you'd understand how smart the Clogtroll is. It's
> nyms are quite telling.
>
> And may I remind everyone of his imbecilic "sig", where the mar00n brags
> about a "sperm-and-egg-omelet".
>
> The Clogster is completely insane, it's nothing but a pathetic regular
> troll, so eager for attention.
>
> The worst thing you can do is *IGNORE* it, that will piss it off.
> Because it's nothing but a pathetic attention seeker.
>
> Just as simple as that :-p
So says the person who posts his love exploits, right down to the
disgusting parts, in a public group.
Seems *you* are the one seeking attention Marti...
--
2/4/2010 6:33:29 PM
Marti van Lin
OMFG! If I where your lad, I'd kick your ass, screwing up my computer
with that junk :-(
You fscking mar00n you ;-)
Winders 7 will destroy /every/ existing partition/OS.
I have tested the piece of junk and my conclusion is, that it's not
worth the effort.
Don't screw up your lad's computer!
Phil Da Lick!
Well, it's on there now, dual booted with XP as I said. I have kind of
an ulterior motive cos he gets to run his stuff on 7 and I've got a
passworded XP environment for work stuff at home [when 'er indoors
commandeers the downstairs machine]. I can also play about with 7 and
form an opinion on it. Jury's out on 7 for me atm although it's behind
cos I realy liked my beerman dreamscene on vista. They really shouldn't
have dropped it.
Snit
3:29 PM:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>>> I went back and forth for a while. I think the default settings make sense
>>>> for people who use relatively few windows in lots of programs...
>>>
>>> I certainly don't oppose them being the default settings - I'm sure
>>> they had their reasons for it. I tend to comb through almost every
>>> setting in the entire OS within a couple days after a clean install
>>> (most of them right after installing), so it doesn't affect me.
>>
>> As do I and, I assume, most COLA folks.
>
> Yup, I really do enjoy this group and CSMA for that reason. Even
> though I don't (currently) use Linux or OS X, it is a lot more
> stimulating than the Win7 group. ;)
It can be educational... and even when it is not it can be quite
entertaining.
>> I did leave out a group: those who use relatively few programs with few
>> windows each. I think the defaults work for that use-case well... and it
>> likely the norm.
>
> My mom's laptop has a pretty small screen, and it seems to work well
> for that kind of environment. I use two rows for my taskbar, so that
> even with many windows open, it doesn't really need grouping or the
> lack of text labels.
I never liked two rows... just too cluttered for my taste. But to each
their own. :)
>>>> and the
>>>> "2K" setting make sense for people who use more windows per program but
>>>> fewer programs.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, but in my case, it's more of a "let me do everything myself,
>>> you fucking computer" thing. Windows NT (which I still like to call
>>> it) is a powerful, modern OS, and XP's cheap graphics-overlay "theme"
>>> crud, or 7's pretty (-dumb) default taskbar ruin that experience.
>>
>> I do not see how it is the computer letting you do more or less of your
>> think with either taskbar method. I am happy MS kept the taskbar flexible
>> enough to allow people to do things the "old" way. Is that what you mean?
>
> It is pretty much what I meant, yes, but it really is one of those
> things about using Windows on a desktop (with a relatively large
> screen) that adds functionality - I can use the mouse to quickly
> access the specific window of the specific program that I want. Other
> options are important to include, but it'd be hard to get used to them
> on my primary computer (although, with a laptop for away-from-home
> use, I could see the advantage, since I wouldn't leave certain things
> always running).
There are times on OS X I find it takes a couple seconds to get to the right
window... and that is a distraction from work. I can see where MS's
solution in some cases might be better. And with Win 7 it is certainly a
lot more flexible.
>> I agree the Start menu is better... would be better yet if the norm of
>> programs was to have one icon represent the program (not a folder). OS X
>> has the right idea with application "packages"... a single icon to the
>> general user and for general use, but a folder for advanced users when they
>> have the need.
>
> Sometimes I'll manually copy the main shortcut into the root Programs
> folder, so that I can access it more quickly (or just pin it to the
> Start menu, if it's something I really rely on).
I have a folder on my dock of favorite applications... in sub-folders. I
tend to use Spotlight more and more and that less, though, unless I cannot
think of the name of the program off hand. Even then, if it happens more
than a couple time I add a reasonable keyword to the programs metadata and
can get to it that way with Spotlight. I have a *lot* of programs and do
sometimes forget the name of some of the ones I do not use that often.
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Terry Porter
> DFS wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> (...)
>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>
>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
SPLORF!
I guess my income the last 5 years must have been imaginary, because
Linux runs *everything* I sell.
>
> Nonsense! There is plenty of money to be made with GNU/Linux, especially
> in server and embedded systems. On the desktop, money opportunities are
> scarcer but do exist. Administration is one possibility.
It's the golden age of opportunity with Linux, but one that is denied to
retarded children like DFS because of his perpetual ignorance.
Let's see who has actually made money with Linux lately ?
IBM
Google
me
Novell
Microsoft
Every modern embedded manufacturer
Asus
Acer
Dell
HP
The list is gigantic, and far to big to repeat here.
>
> Regards.
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DFS
> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:59:42 +0000, Lusotec wrote:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> (...)
>>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>>
>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
>
> SPLORF!
>
> I guess my income the last 5 years must have been imaginary, because
> Linux runs *everything* I sell.
*Everything* you sell is sold to a Windows user. So your income is driven
by MS and Windows.
>> Nonsense! There is plenty of money to be made with GNU/Linux,
>> especially in server and embedded systems. On the desktop, money
>> opportunities are scarcer but do exist. Administration is one
>> possibility.
>
> It's the golden age of opportunity with Linux,
Now it's the Golden Age of Linux. Hallelujah!
But I wonder why all the cola "advocate$" insist on sticking with their
Windows jobs?
> but one that is denied
> to retarded children like DFS because of his perpetual ignorance.
>
> Let's see who has actually made money with Linux lately ?
> IBM
> Google
> me
> Novell
> Microsoft
> Every modern embedded manufacturer
> Asus
> Acer
> Dell
> HP
>
> The list is gigantic, and far to big to repeat here.
The actual revenue attributable to selling Linux or Linux services/support
is extremely tiny.
Clogwog
news:hkfl3o$h40$1...@news.albasani.net...
Marti van Lin - drinks metho; dresses too good to be straight
Marti van Lin - slobbers when kissing; bondage freak - likes getting spanked
Marti van Lin - thinks that being born alive was punishment enough; hung
like a slave and celibate
Marti van Lin - has difficulties in controlling alcohol-taking behaviour;
enjoys arse being stretched by cocks
Marti van Lin - gets screwed over by everyone; heshe boygirl
Marti van Lin - has a nasty mean streak; gets beaten by girls up all the
time;likes to call his penis his 'ham howitzer'
Marti van Lin - likes cabbage; dotty geriatric - spreads buttcheeks at other
nursing home patients; likes to call his penis his 'purple lollipop'
Marti van Lin - chews food with mouth wide open; boring; can't get a
girlfriend
Marti van Lin - drinks tequila from the bottle; likes wearing crotchless
jeans and arseless swimming trunks
Marti van Lin - is quite comfortable wearing the same underwear three or
four times without washing them; repressed alcoholic
Marti van Lin - smells of sewers; too sensitive; into bizarre piss sex
potty-pissing
Marti van Lin - devious and sly, not to be trusted; loud-mouthed
Marti van Lin - wears odd socks; has steep, backward-sloping forhead; wants
deep throat Michael Jackson
Marti van Lin - a right fuckwit; total loser; wants deep throat Michael
Jackson
Marti van Lin - bow legged; stupid; dickhead
Marti van Lin - hopeless; often has consensual sex with a cousin; the
government has a file of information on him
Marti van Lin - a good name for a dog; has urges to snoop in the medicine
cabinet at someone's house while visiting
Marti van Lin - chews food with mouth wide open; talks complete bollocks all
the time
Marti van Lin - into threesomes; eats grass; feels inadequate because of the
size of his penis
Marti van Lin - mean-spirited; watches ER for handy tips on treatment and
diagnosis of disease; into sodomy
Marti van Lin - rusty underwear; smells of cheese
Marti van Lin - not fussy about appearance; is seeing a sex therapist;
fantasises about being a sex-slave
Marti van Lin - droll, really droll; will give anyone a dose of the clap
Marti van Lin - needs to be naked at all times; wears odd socks; eats with
hands
Marti van Lin - arrogant twat; really, really ugly
Marti van Lin - says, 'Yes, dear,' irrespective of the question; would
probably do a threesome with younger sibling; has really weird erotic
fantasies involving vegetables and orifices
Marti van Lin - likes wearing crotchless jeans and arseless swimming trunks;
gullible and easily swayed
Marti van Lin - has right wing Nazi tendencies; lights fires; hung like a
slave and celibate
Marti van Lin - can out-suck a vacuum cleaner; hasn't had the genital herpes
treated yet
Marti van Lin - talks complete bollocks all the time; eats children; invites
friends over to gang-bang his old granny
Marti van Lin - has a bad case of genital acne; is confused about sexual
orientation
Marti van Lin - farts a lot, drinks Guinness; needs to shower more; after
reading the symptoms of a disease, starts to think he has the disease
Marti van Lin - a highly annoying person; dreams about sexual encounters
with relatives; thinks with his dick
Marti van Lin - has serious mental issues; thinks it is not necessary to
shower before going on a date
Marti van Lin - is days away from being fired; is quite comfortable wearing
the same underwear three or four times without washing them; small dick, fat
arse
TomB
> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> I don't know if there was any thought, but the brown 'earthy' theme
>> kind of fits in the bigger picture:
>>
>> Wind -> Windows Aero
>> Water -> OSX Aqua
>> Earth -> Ubuntu
>>
>> Now we only need a 'fire' OS and we have the four elements :-)
>
> BSD.
Ha, indeed. Beastie very much represents fire. The list is complete.
--
Abort, Retry, Fail?
Phil Da Lick!
> Terry Porter wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:59:42 +0000, Lusotec wrote:
>>
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>> (...)
>>>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
>> SPLORF!
>>
>> I guess my income the last 5 years must have been imaginary, because
>> Linux runs *everything* I sell.
>
> *Everything* you sell is sold to a Windows user. So your income is driven
> by MS and Windows.
No, dummy, his income is driven by his commitment, knowledge and hard work.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:59:42 +0000, Lusotec wrote:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>> (...)
>>>>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
>>> SPLORF!
>>>
>>> I guess my income the last 5 years must have been imaginary, because
>>> Linux runs *everything* I sell.
>>
>> *Everything* you sell is sold to a Windows user. So your income is
>> driven by MS and Windows.
>
> No, dummy, his income is driven by his commitment, knowledge and hard
> work.
Fine. Then he should be able to quit selling to Windows users, and in no
time make the same income with "commitment, knowledge and hard work".
Right, Duh!?
>> But I wonder why all the cola "advocate$" insist on sticking with
>> their Windows jobs?
Like you, Duh!
Tell us why you stick with Windows, and pretend to advocate Linux at night.
Is it money?
>> The actual revenue attributable to selling Linux or Linux
>> services/support is extremely tiny.
Like your's and Porter's peabrains.
Peter Köhlmann
> Phil Da Lick! wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:59:42 +0000, Lusotec wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>> (...)
>>>>>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>>>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. (...)
>>>> SPLORF!
>>>>
>>>> I guess my income the last 5 years must have been imaginary, because
>>>> Linux runs *everything* I sell.
>>>
>>> *Everything* you sell is sold to a Windows user. So your income is
>>> driven by MS and Windows.
>>
>> No, dummy, his income is driven by his commitment, knowledge and hard
>> work.
>
> Fine. Then he should be able to quit selling to Windows users, and in
> no time make the same income with "commitment, knowledge and hard work".
> Right, Duh!?
>
So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any knowledge
and lazily.
Figures. I should have guessed so
--
Never promise to complete any project within six months of the end of
the year -- in either direction.
Chris Ahlstrom
> DFS wrote:
>
>>>> *Everything* you sell is sold to a Windows user. So your income is
>>>> driven by MS and Windows.
>>>
>>> No, dummy, his income is driven by his commitment, knowledge and hard
>>> work.
>>
>> Fine. Then he should be able to quit selling to Windows users, and in
>> no time make the same income with "commitment, knowledge and hard work".
>> Right, Duh!?
Nope, not even if he went into auto sales.
Why? Because, with the current prevalence of Windows users, he would
*still* be selling mostly to Windows users.
> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any knowledge
> and lazily.
>
> Figures. I should have guessed so
Usually, programmers are quite logical fellows, whatever their faults.
DFS is pretty illogical for a programmer.
--
You are not dead yet. But watch for further reports.
DFS
> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
> knowledge and lazily.
And it's still much more valuable than your "work".
Ezekiel
"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
news:hkjr2h$6q0$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I wonder if any of these "advocates" realize that VB code can run a query
against an Oracle cluster just as easily as it can query a local Access
database. If the VB code opens a DSN then the code won't know or care
whether the DSN entry is configured to use a MS-Access driver or an
Oracle/DB2/Postgres/Teradata/etc driver. It just works.
DFS
> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
> knowledge and lazily.
My guess is a dumbkopf like you is too incompetent to write a simple
function to add or deduct N months to/from a month value formatted as YYYYMM
(eg 200908), or convert YYYYMM to MMM YYYY (201001 to Jan 2010).
Ask your son for help - but give him a Windows system so he has some decent
software to use.
Peter Köhlmann
Why would I write a function for something which is already provided?
I have to deal constantly with wildly differing uses of "date" and "time",
depending on locale. And Qt makes that extremely easy
Poor DumbFullShit, using a third rate programming environment for his
fourth rate "applications". But then, he thinks VB and Access make for
"quality" tools. They ar not. They are toys
And no, my son does not run *any* windows. He has a linux desktop computer
and a apple Macbook.
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
do not use a hammer. <from an IBM-Manual>
Ezekiel
"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:hkjsjc$qf9$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
>>> knowledge and lazily.
>>
>>
>> My guess is a dumbkopf like you is too incompetent to write a simple
>> function to add or deduct N months to/from a month value formatted as
>> YYYYMM (eg 200908), or convert YYYYMM to MMM YYYY (201001 to Jan 2010).
>>
>> Ask your son for help - but give him a Windows system so he has some
>> decent software to use.
>
> Why would I write a function for something which is already provided?
> I have to deal constantly with wildly differing uses of "date" and "time",
> depending on locale. And Qt makes that extremely easy
The QT date/time class (QTDateTime) is a basic date/time class but lacks the
same thing that most date/time classes lack. Support for "interval" as a
first-class object type.
When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval." I should
be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper object and display
the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
DFS
A couple cola morons might know that, but most stew in their ignorance.
What's also valuable is the ability to pass SQL and DDL/DML statements and
procedure calls from VB thru to the RDBMS server for execution there.
The concept of these "remote procedure calls" was created by Rex Ballard, of
course.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
>>> knowledge and lazily.
>>
>>
>> My guess is a dumbkopf like you is too incompetent to write a simple
>> function to add or deduct N months to/from a month value formatted as
>> YYYYMM (eg 200908), or convert YYYYMM to MMM YYYY (201001 to Jan
>> 2010).
>>
>> Ask your son for help - but give him a Windows system so he has some
>> decent software to use.
>
> Why would I write a function for something which is already provided?
Bad evasion, dumbkopf. Your defeat is noted.
> I have to deal constantly with wildly differing uses of "date" and
> "time", depending on locale. And Qt makes that extremely easy
>
> Poor DumbFullShit, using a third rate programming environment for his
> fourth rate "applications".
What's wrong, dumbkopf: Money problems? Wife a bad cook?
> But then, he thinks VB and Access make for
> "quality" tools. They ar not. They are toys
That statement proves you're an ignoramus.
> And no, my son does not run *any* windows. He has a linux desktop
> computer and a apple Macbook.
He runs Linux because you forced it on him. It's a form of child abuse for
a parent to make their child use inferior software because they hate
Microsoft.
Lusotec
> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
>> knowledge and lazily.
>
> My guess is a dumbkopf like you is too incompetent to write a simple
> function to add or deduct N months to/from a month value formatted as
> YYYYMM (eg 200908), or convert YYYYMM to MMM YYYY (201001 to Jan 2010).
Are the date values on the same time zone and using the same calendar? :)
As an exercise, it is an interesting problem but no decent programmer would
write such a code for use on a production system, unless it is writing
system code. The facilities provided by the system for date/time
manipulations should be used.
Regards.
Peter Köhlmann
>
> "Peter K�hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:hkjsjc$qf9$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
>>>> knowledge and lazily.
>>>
>>>
>>> My guess is a dumbkopf like you is too incompetent to write a simple
>>> function to add or deduct N months to/from a month value formatted as
>>> YYYYMM (eg 200908), or convert YYYYMM to MMM YYYY (201001 to Jan
>>> 2010).
>>>
>>> Ask your son for help - but give him a Windows system so he has some
>>> decent software to use.
>>
>> Why would I write a function for something which is already provided?
>> I have to deal constantly with wildly differing uses of "date" and
>> "time", depending on locale. And Qt makes that extremely easy
>
> The QT date/time class (QTDateTime) is a basic date/time class but lacks
> the same thing that most date/time classes lack. Support for "interval"
> as a first-class object type.
And why would that be so important? You certainly can get the difference
from two dates, and very easily
And you can manipulate any date/time with that difference with ease. You
simply add days, months or years with the result of the comparison
> When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval." I
> should be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper object
> and display the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
Your demand for an "interval" as an object type for date/time is simply a
red herring.
In the cases where you need such an object, you could easily construct it
with the given date/time classes
--
If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.
Peter Köhlmann
Wow. VB may do "remote procedure"!
What a revelation.
Because that has exactly nothing to do with VB. Any language which can
hook with the right interface to a proper database can do that
--
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>
>> "Peter K?hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>> news:hkjsjc$qf9$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter K?hlmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So your VB/Access code is done without commitment, without any
>>>>> knowledge and lazily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My guess is a dumbkopf like you is too incompetent to write a simple
>>>> function to add or deduct N months to/from a month value formatted as
>>>> YYYYMM (eg 200908), or convert YYYYMM to MMM YYYY (201001 to Jan
>>>> 2010).
>>>>
>>>> Ask your son for help - but give him a Windows system so he has some
>>>> decent software to use.
>>>
>>> Why would I write a function for something which is already provided?
>>> I have to deal constantly with wildly differing uses of "date" and
>>> "time", depending on locale. And Qt makes that extremely easy
>>
>> The QT date/time class (QTDateTime) is a basic date/time class but lacks
>> the same thing that most date/time classes lack. Support for "interval"
>> as a first-class object type.
>
> And why would that be so important? You certainly can get the difference
> from two dates, and very easily
> And you can manipulate any date/time with that difference with ease. You
> simply add days, months or years with the result of the comparison
You want to find out someone's age:
age = today() - date_of_birth;
Now tell me their age in years, months and days. (ie - 42 years, 5 months
and 22 days old.)
Be sure to take into account leap-years and short/long months.
You need an interval object for that.
>> When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval." I
>> should be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper object
>> and display the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
>
> Your demand for an "interval" as an object type for date/time is simply a
> red herring.
You claming that I've "demanded" anything is a strawman.
Norman
>
> And no, my son does not run *any* windows. He has a linux desktop computer
> and a apple Macbook.
Subject: OxRetard the World's No. 1 cretin (a typical MAK user)
Message-ID: <h0o13u$kjr$03$1...@news.t-online.com>
Don't argue with that cretin. OxRetard is just a typical MAK user, too
damn stupid to spill a bucket of water.
Do you consider your own son to be "a typical MAK user" and cretin?
Do you ever stop to think before posting?
Snit
AM:
It is rather amazing... he just used a public forum to call his son a
cretin.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Peter Köhlmann
What part of "typical" was too difficult for your extremely tiny brain?
--
You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species
Peter Köhlmann
No. You start with
int QDate::daysTo ( const QDate & d ) const
Returns the number of days from this date to d (which is negative if d is
earlier than this date).
Example:
QDate d1(1995, 5, 17); // May 17, 1995
QDate d2(1995, 5, 20); // May 20, 1995
d1.daysTo(d2); // returns 3
d2.daysTo(d1); // returns -3
From that the rest is simple
>>> When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval." I
>>> should be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper
>>> object and display the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
>>
>> Your demand for an "interval" as an object type for date/time is simply
>> a red herring.
>
> You claming that I've "demanded" anything is a strawman.
>
You wanted to have an object type. For something which is simple to do
without
>
>> In the cases where you need such an object, you could easily construct
>> it with the given date/time classes
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Peter K?hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:hkjvlb$2m3$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
>>
>> And why would that be so important? You certainly can get the difference
>> from two dates, and very easily [with Qt]
>> And you can manipulate any date/time with that difference with ease. You
>> simply add days, months or years with the result of the comparison
>
> You want to find out someone's age:
>
> age = today() - date_of_birth;
>
> Now tell me their age in years, months and days. (ie - 42 years, 5 months
> and 22 days old.)
>
> Be sure to take into account leap-years and short/long months.
There is no such thing as a standard month.
I see what you're trying to do, though.
> You need an interval object for that.
No you don't. You could account for it with a function.
You guys are arguing only about who is going to write that code.
--
English literature's performing flea.
-- Sean O'Casey on P. G. Wodehouse
Richard Rasker
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Well, haven't been logged into Win 7 in a few weeks, so am now to let
>> any updates get done.
>>
>> Opening Firefox was slow as hell. OpenOffice not so bad, but no
>> faster than Linux. Word comes up pretty quick.
>>
>> The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
>> access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
>>
>> Java update comin' in.
>>
>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>
>
> Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your household
> wouldn't like that...
I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books, designing
electronic circuits & devices, creating reports, databases and
spreadsheets, administering servers and desktops -- all done with Linux
exclusively. No need for Windows at all, not even for being compatible with
the rest of the Windows-centric world.
But you were saying ...?
Richard Rasker
--
http://www.linetec.nl
M0she_
Like I said in the music thread.....
They will never, ever admit they are wrong or that sometimes
Windows is a better solution.
Ezekiel
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
news:hkk6jf$hbg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Peter K?hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>> news:hkjvlb$2m3$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
>>>
>>> And why would that be so important? You certainly can get the difference
>>> from two dates, and very easily [with Qt]
>>> And you can manipulate any date/time with that difference with ease. You
>>> simply add days, months or years with the result of the comparison
>>
>> You want to find out someone's age:
>>
>> age = today() - date_of_birth;
>>
>> Now tell me their age in years, months and days. (ie - 42 years, 5 months
>> and 22 days old.)
>>
>> Be sure to take into account leap-years and short/long months.
>
> There is no such thing as a standard month.
Correct. And a "interval" (aka - timespan) object is able to deal with it.
It's a useful type for dealing with differences in time. Date-time objects
work best for absolute times: March 12, 2007 16:30:00. Interval objects
work best for relative times: (time1 - time2). You have two datetime
objects (dt1 and dt2) - when you subtract them you get an interval, not a
date.
Ezekiel
From that you haven't come close to the desired answer. I'm not interested
that someone is 12,843 days old. I want to know the age as: 35 years, 2
months and 17 days. And it has to work correctly for any year and any month.
daysTo() only gives me the difference in days which is not the data-type
needed. I need years, months and days and depending on the application:
possibly hours, minutes and seconds as well.
>>>> When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval." I
>>>> should be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper
>>>> object and display the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
>>>
>>> Your demand for an "interval" as an object type for date/time is simply
>>> a red herring.
>>
>> You claming that I've "demanded" anything is a strawman.
>>
>
> You wanted to have an object type. For something which is simple to do
> without
So simple yet you haven't shown how.
There's another consideration as well. I have some time interval (time
difference) that I need to pass down from the current function/method to
some other method that will then pass it to another method. With a class
it's simple:
pobj->somefunc(&interval);
And you would do what exactly.... pass down individual values for year,
month, day, hours, minutes and seconds? Then these half-dozen parameters
would get passed again to another function that accepts a half-dozen
parameters.
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Peter K?hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>
> daysTo() only gives me the difference in days which is not the data-type
> needed. I need years, months and days and depending on the application:
> possibly hours, minutes and seconds as well.
Why?
> There's another consideration as well. I have some time interval (time
> difference) that I need to pass down from the current function/method to
> some other method that will then pass it to another method. With a class
> it's simple:
>
> pobj->somefunc(&interval);
>
> And you would do what exactly.... pass down individual values for year,
> month, day, hours, minutes and seconds? Then these half-dozen parameters
> would get passed again to another function that accepts a half-dozen
> parameters.
Or one <cough> struct.
--
You feel a whole lot more like you do now than you did when you used to.
Peter Köhlmann
What part of "From that the rest is simple" was too difficult?
>
>
>
>>>>> When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval."
>>>>> I should be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper
>>>>> object and display the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Your demand for an "interval" as an object type for date/time is
>>>> simply a red herring.
>>>
>>> You claming that I've "demanded" anything is a strawman.
>>>
>>
>> You wanted to have an object type. For something which is simple to do
>> without
>
> So simple yet you haven't shown how.
Why would I?
Do your own digging
>
> There's another consideration as well. I have some time interval (time
> difference) that I need to pass down from the current function/method to
> some other method that will then pass it to another method. With a class
> it's simple:
>
> pobj->somefunc(&interval);
>
> And you would do what exactly.... pass down individual values for year,
> month, day, hours, minutes and seconds? Then these half-dozen
> parameters would get passed again to another function that accepts a
> half-dozen parameters.
Why would I do that?
You don't need a class to do that, but you could easily build one if you
feel you absolutely can't do without
--
Your depth of comprehension may tend to make you lax in worldly ways.
Snit
4b6d9cf8$0$728$7ade...@textreader.nntp.internl.net on 2/6/10 9:46 AM:
>> Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your household
>> wouldn't like that...
>
> I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books, designing
> electronic circuits & devices, creating reports, databases and
> spreadsheets, administering servers and desktops -- all done with Linux
> exclusively. No need for Windows at all, not even for being compatible with
> the rest of the Windows-centric world.
>
> But you were saying ...?
>
> Richard Rasker
All with Linux *only*? Just the kernel! Very, very unlikely. :)
Rick and TomB are going to be very, very unpleased with your claim.
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Ezekiel
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "Peter K?hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>>
>> daysTo() only gives me the difference in days which is not the data-type
>> needed. I need years, months and days and depending on the application:
>> possibly hours, minutes and seconds as well.
>
> Why?
Because that's what the project spec or customer says it needs to do.
>> There's another consideration as well. I have some time interval (time
>> difference) that I need to pass down from the current function/method to
>> some other method that will then pass it to another method. With a class
>> it's simple:
>>
>> pobj->somefunc(&interval);
>>
>> And you would do what exactly.... pass down individual values for year,
>> month, day, hours, minutes and seconds? Then these half-dozen parameters
>> would get passed again to another function that accepts a half-dozen
>> parameters.
>
> Or one <cough> struct.
In which case you have 1/2 of a class. The data without the methods that act
on the data. (I know that in C++ structs can have constructors, etc and are
nearly identical to a class.) But if you're going to create a struct/class
to store the bits (YY, MM, DD, hh:mm:ss) then you might as well make it
intelligent to properly handle the data so you don't get "stupid results"
like something being 3 years, 17 months and 82 days old.
An interval can also return itself as hours, days, minutes, etc so 3 yrs, 1
month and 20 days can easily be converted to just the number of days or just
the number of hours if that's what needed. An interval can also have any
arbitrary precision - it's not just YY, MM, DD and you can take it down to
hours, minutes, seconds and fractional seconds as well.
Chris Ahlstrom
>>> And you would do what exactly.... pass down individual values for year,
>>> month, day, hours, minutes and seconds? Then these half-dozen parameters
>>> would get passed again to another function that accepts a half-dozen
>>> parameters.
>>
>> Or one <cough> struct.
>
> In which case you have 1/2 of a class. The data without the methods that act
> on the data. (I know that in C++ structs can have constructors, etc and are
> nearly identical to a class.) But if you're going to create a struct/class
> to store the bits (YY, MM, DD, hh:mm:ss) then you might as well make it
> intelligent to properly handle the data so you don't get "stupid results"
> like something being 3 years, 17 months and 82 days old.
"Might as well" is hardly a serious justification for a design decision.
> An interval can also return itself as hours, days, minutes, etc so 3 yrs, 1
> month and 20 days can easily be converted to just the number of days or just
> the number of hours if that's what needed. An interval can also have any
> arbitrary precision - it's not just YY, MM, DD and you can take it down to
> hours, minutes, seconds and fractional seconds as well.
You can do the same with a struct and a function.
In fact, in C, that's what you have to do.
--
Let me put it this way: today is going to be a learning experience.
Richard Rasker
> Richard Rasker stated in post
> 4b6d9cf8$0$728$7ade...@textreader.nntp.internl.net on 2/6/10 9:46 AM:
>
>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your
>>> household wouldn't like that...
>>
>> I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books, designing
>> electronic circuits & devices, creating reports, databases and
>> spreadsheets, administering servers and desktops -- all done with Linux
>> exclusively. No need for Windows at all, not even for being compatible
>> with the rest of the Windows-centric world.
>>
>> But you were saying ...?
>>
>> Richard Rasker
>
> All with Linux *only*? Just the kernel! Very, very unlikely. :)
OK, if you insist on nitpicking: "... all done exclusively with GNU/Linux
plus a bunch of FOSS applications."
> Rick and TomB are going to be very, very unpleased with your claim.
I believe they're quite capable of distinguishing between a strictly literal
interpretation, and a completely accepted generalization, inaccurate though
the latter may be.
Snit
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Richard Rasker stated in post
>> 4b6d9cf8$0$728$7ade...@textreader.nntp.internl.net on 2/6/10 9:46 AM:
>>
>>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your
>>>> household wouldn't like that...
>>>
>>> I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books, designing
>>> electronic circuits & devices, creating reports, databases and
>>> spreadsheets, administering servers and desktops -- all done with Linux
>>> exclusively. No need for Windows at all, not even for being compatible
>>> with the rest of the Windows-centric world.
>>>
>>> But you were saying ...?
>>>
>>> Richard Rasker
>>
>> All with Linux *only*? Just the kernel! Very, very unlikely. :)
>
> OK, if you insist on nitpicking: "... all done exclusively with GNU/Linux
> plus a bunch of FOSS applications."
Sure... and I admit it was a nit pick... it was clear what you meant in
context. Sorry to get you caught in the middle of my mocking their BS.
>> Rick and TomB are going to be very, very unpleased with your claim.
>
> I believe they're quite capable of distinguishing between a strictly literal
> interpretation, and a completely accepted generalization, inaccurate though
> the latter may be.
One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to do so.
TomB jumped in to support him. The claim was that people who use the term
"Linux" as you did do so out of ignorance of the ecosystem. No, I am *not*
claiming that about you...
--
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DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Well, haven't been logged into Win 7 in a few weeks, so am now to
>>> let any updates get done.
>>>
>>> Opening Firefox was slow as hell. OpenOffice not so bad, but no
>>> faster than Linux. Word comes up pretty quick.
>>>
>>> The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
>>> access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
>>>
>>> Java update comin' in.
>>>
>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>
>>
>> Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your
>> household wouldn't like that...
>
> I make all my money with Linux.
So you say.
> Translating & editing books,
Nothing Linuxy about that.
> designing electronic circuits & devices,
ahhh... here you've forsaken the good paid-for commercial Windows stuff
(PADS, OrCAD) and accepted the substandard PCB crapware available in Linux
la-la land.
> creating reports, databases and spreadsheets,
OpenOffice? Sheer pretender. Get yourself some MS Office and be done with
it. Learn Access and build yourself a sophisticated personal db system.
> administering servers and desktops
I suppose 1 server and a few geezer desktops qualifies as "administering"
but it's not really Ivy League, now is it?
> all done with Linux exclusively.
> No need for Windows at all, not even for being
> compatible with the rest of the Windows-centric world.
You mean the tiny, tiny slice of the Windows-centric world you deal with.
> But you were saying ...?
I was talking to Linosuck specifically, but your story is illustrative of
how open sourcers almost always have to settle for the worst software
available, just so they can say they use Linux for "everything".
Gregory Shearman
Actually, I'd use the datetime functions provided by Postgresql. I
wouldn't even *have* to worry about conversions of this nature.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Peter Köhlmann
No. Internally I always use the international date (yyyyMMdd).
What is *displayed* though depends on the currently used locale
So no matter where the app is running, the user gets to see (and input) a
date format he is familiar with. While internally the app will always use
just *one* date-format
--
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way
before it is understood.
Richard Rasker
> Richard Rasker wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Well, haven't been logged into Win 7 in a few weeks, so am now to
>>>> let any updates get done.
>>>>
>>>> Opening Firefox was slow as hell. OpenOffice not so bad, but no
>>>> faster than Linux. Word comes up pretty quick.
>>>>
>>>> The systray icon claims the wireless is connected with no internet
>>>> access, while the wired is connected with internet access.
>>>>
>>>> Java update comin' in.
>>>>
>>>> Can I get back to Linux now?
>>>
>>>
>>> Only if you don't want to make any money. And the head of your
>>> household wouldn't like that...
>>
>> I make all my money with Linux.
>
> So you say.
Well, actually I make my money with my brains and my hands. Linux is just a
tool that I use a lot to make things easier.
>> Translating & editing books,
>
> Nothing Linuxy about that.
It is when I'm using OpenOffice on a Linux machine -- and yes, I collaborate
with Windows users, e.g. tracking changes over time.
>> designing electronic circuits & devices,
>
> ahhh... here you've forsaken the good paid-for commercial Windows stuff
> (PADS, OrCAD) and accepted the substandard PCB crapware available in Linux
> la-la land.
You may be interested to hear that I find gEDA easier and much more reliable
to work with than any Windows-based suite I 've ever used.
I still have nightmares from my W98 days, when firing up PCB routing with
UltiBoard was a gamble, with a less than 50% chance of not freezing or
crashing along the way. All those hours I wasted looking at a screen,
waiting if my oh so desired PCB layout would materialise, only to conclude
at 5 PM that either Windows or the Windows-based crapware had crashed, and
I lost yet another day on an already tight schedule.
I also have the very reassuring knowledge that I'll be able to open my
current projects in 10 years' time. Unlike some Windows applications -- I
still have some 12 y/o Layo and UltiBoard files that I can't open at all
any more, as far as I can tell. And even if I could open those files, I
most certainly cannot convert them to any other format than their native
application format. Neither is there a way to extract the physical layout
data, such as shapes or distances -- simply because the formats used are
closed, binary formats.
Nope, I'll never get burned on Microsoft crapware again. Ever. I wouldn't
even be surprised if using it has cost me more money than it has made me.
>> creating reports, databases and spreadsheets,
>
> OpenOffice? Sheer pretender. Get yourself some MS Office and be done
> with it.
OpenOffice is already good enough for the majority of MS Office users.
> Learn Access and build yourself a sophisticated personal db
> system.
Excuse me? Access and "sophisticated"? You must be talking through your rear
passage here. Access is a toy, designed to give halfwit pencil pushers the
idea that they're doing something "databasey". Anyone using Access for
serious applications is asking for trouble (not to mention a pink slip).
>> administering servers and desktops
>
> I suppose 1 server and a few geezer desktops qualifies as "administering"
> but it's not really Ivy League, now is it?
Sure DFS. It's only 11 servers and some 120 desktops. Nothing worth
mentioning. Not in Linux land, anyway. In the Windows world, this would no
doubt be a huge achievement for one admin.
>> all done with Linux exclusively.
>> No need for Windows at all, not even for being
>> compatible with the rest of the Windows-centric world.
>
> You mean the tiny, tiny slice of the Windows-centric world you deal with.
Like book editors, technology companies, several electronics and music
businesses, and of course all my customers. Then again, quite a few of
those either already use Linux or are planning to migrate away from the
eternal headache called Windows.
>> But you were saying ...?
>
> I was talking to Linosuck specifically, but your story is illustrative of
> how open sourcers almost always have to settle for the worst software
> available, just so they can say they use Linux for "everything".
Interesting. I never noticed that I was using the "worst software
available". It usually does what I want it to do -- much unlike Windows and
a lot of Windows-based software I have experience with.
Ezekiel
The part where you completely avoided answering the question - that part.
>>>>>> When I subtract 2 date-times then the difference is an "interval."
>>>>>> I should be able to treat and manipulate this interval as a proper
>>>>>> object and display the interval, add it to another date-time, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your demand for an "interval" as an object type for date/time is
>>>>> simply a red herring.
>>>>
>>>> You claming that I've "demanded" anything is a strawman.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You wanted to have an object type. For something which is simple to do
>>> without
>>
>> So simple yet you haven't shown how.
>
> Why would I?
> Do your own digging
Translation - your "solution" can't do the task.
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>>>> And you would do what exactly.... pass down individual values for year,
>>>> month, day, hours, minutes and seconds? Then these half-dozen
>>>> parameters
>>>> would get passed again to another function that accepts a half-dozen
>>>> parameters.
>>>
>>> Or one <cough> struct.
>>
>> In which case you have 1/2 of a class. The data without the methods that
>> act
>> on the data. (I know that in C++ structs can have constructors, etc and
>> are
>> nearly identical to a class.) But if you're going to create a
>> struct/class
>> to store the bits (YY, MM, DD, hh:mm:ss) then you might as well make it
>> intelligent to properly handle the data so you don't get "stupid results"
>> like something being 3 years, 17 months and 82 days old.
>
> "Might as well" is hardly a serious justification for a design decision.
It wasn't used as a design decision. The design decision is based on the
best way of accomplishing the task.
And what is the design decision for *not* implementing this as a class? The
only reason I see is in order to continue defending your and Pete's
position.
>> An interval can also return itself as hours, days, minutes, etc so 3 yrs,
>> 1
>> month and 20 days can easily be converted to just the number of days or
>> just
>> the number of hours if that's what needed. An interval can also have any
>> arbitrary precision - it's not just YY, MM, DD and you can take it down
>> to
>> hours, minutes, seconds and fractional seconds as well.
>
> You can do the same with a struct and a function.
A struct and a function - in other words the solution is a "class" but as
long as we call it a "struct and a function" we won't have to admit that.
> In fact, in C, that's what you have to do.
But this isn't C. It's been C++ from the very first post where the QDate
class was brought up.
Ezekiel
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
Postgres - great example. And Postgres treats timespans/intervals as a
first-class data type. As a matter of fact - the data type even happens to
have a type name of "interval."
'' All employees who've worked here more than 3yrs, 6 months.
SELECT * from Employees where
(interval '3 years 6 months' )
>
( today() - hire_date )
> No. Internally I always use the international date (yyyyMMdd).
> What is *displayed* though depends on the currently used locale
>
> So no matter where the app is running, the user gets to see (and input) a
> date format he is familiar with. While internally the app will always use
> just *one* date-format
There's no shortage of date/time classes or standard C-runtime structs for
storing date/times. What is often ommited (my original post) is something
that represents and stores *differences* in time.
Rick
I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't speak for me.
--
Rick
Rick
I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
TomB jumped in to support him. The claim was that people who use
> the term "Linux" as you did do so out of ignorance of the ecosystem.
> No, I am *not* claiming that about you...
--
Rick
Snit
6:07 PM:
So now you deny having whined about my using the term Linux to not just mean
the kernel.
Amazing.
Oh, you were just playing silly games. As I said... games to avoid talking
about Linux. Oh, and OSS... in case that is not clear to you. :)
--
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Snit
6:09 PM:
Rick:
Just because you are using a Linux kernel doesn't mean it
is a Linux problem.
Those words are completely forgotten, right? LOL!
If you do not want me talking about your silly games then do not play them.
Is that really too hard for you?
>> TomB jumped in to support him. The claim was that people who use
>> the term "Linux" as you did do so out of ignorance of the ecosystem.
>> No, I am *not* claiming that about you...
>
>
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
DFS
> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:59:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
>> One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to do
>> so.
(p)Rick is a moron.
> I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
Hey (p)Rick, why is it you have NEVER ONCE chided a cola "adv0cate" for
using 'Linux'?
I say "Linux freezes up" and you whine "Ubuntu != Linux"
Rasker says he makes all his money with 'Linux' and not a peep out of you.
What's up with the hypocrisy, (p)Rick?
Rick
I'll put it a different way:
You don't get to decide what I will or won't be pleased, or unpleased
about, so please do not attempt to speak for me.
--
Rick
Rick
Just because someone is using a Linux kernel and has a problem doesn't
mean it is a Linux problem. I have explained this to you before. You
refuse to listen. There can be problems in many sub-systems.. such as X,
KDE libs, Gnome libs, apps, etc. An X problem is not a Linux problem. Or,
is it now your position that a person having a problem with X running
under OS X is a Linux problem?
>
> If you do not want me talking about your silly games then do not play
> them. Is that really too hard for you?
Maybe you should learn how distros work.
>
>>> TomB jumped in to support him. The claim was that people who use
>>> the term "Linux" as you did do so out of ignorance of the ecosystem.
>>> No, I am *not* claiming that about you...
>>
>>
--
Rick
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:59:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>>> One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to do
>>> so.
>
> (p)Rick is a moron.
Hey, Kindergarten Boy. Mommy letting you stay up late? Did she give you
ice cream and cookies?
>> I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
>
> Hey (p)Rick, why is it you have NEVER ONCE chided a cola "adv0cate" for
> using 'Linux'?
Well Kindergarten Boy, why would I chide anyone for using Linux? I use
Linux. More people should use Linux.
>
> I say "Linux freezes up" and you whine "Ubuntu != Linux"
It is not a whine. Linux != Ubuntu and Ubuntu != Linux.
>
> Rasker says he makes all his money with 'Linux' and not a peep out of
> you.
If hte system he uses is based on a Linux kernel, then he is indeed using
Linux.
>
> What's up with the hypocrisy, (p)Rick?
No hypocrisy, Kindergarten Boy. Go finish your ice cream before Mommy
gets angry.
--
Rick
DFS
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:31:40 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:59:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>> One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to
>>>> do so.
>>
>> (p)Rick is a moron.
>
> Hey, Kindergarten Boy. Mommy letting you stay up late? Did she give
> you ice cream and cookies?
>
>>> I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
>>
>> Hey (p)Rick, why is it you have NEVER ONCE chided a cola "adv0cate"
>> for using 'Linux'?
>
> Well Kindergarten Boy, why would I chide anyone for using Linux? I use
> Linux. More people should use Linux.
But Linux freezes up a lot, so why should they use a crapware system that
freezes up a lot?
>> I say "Linux freezes up" and you whine "Ubuntu != Linux"
>
> It is not a whine. Linux != Ubuntu and Ubuntu != Linux.
But you said Fedora was Linux. So why wouldn't Ubuntu be Linux?
>> Rasker says he makes all his money with 'Linux' and not a peep out of
>> you.
>
> If hte system he uses is based on a Linux kernel, then he is indeed
> using Linux.
heh... what a chump you are, (p)Rick. Can't be consistent or honest for 2
seconds.
>> What's up with the hypocrisy, (p)Rick?
>
> No hypocrisy, Kindergarten Boy. Go finish your ice cream before Mommy
> gets angry.
Nothing but hypocrisy. It's how you get by in life: make a living with
Windows, whine about it by night.
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:31:40 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:59:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>>> One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to
>>>>> do so.
>>>
>>> (p)Rick is a moron.
>>
>> Hey, Kindergarten Boy. Mommy letting you stay up late? Did she give you
>> ice cream and cookies?
>>
>>>> I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
>>>
>>> Hey (p)Rick, why is it you have NEVER ONCE chided a cola "adv0cate"
>>> for using 'Linux'?
>>
>> Well Kindergarten Boy, why would I chide anyone for using Linux? I use
>> Linux. More people should use Linux.
>
> But Linux freezes up a lot, so why should they use a crapware system
> that freezes up a lot?
Linux freezes up a lot? Really? You better tell all those people using it
on the top 500 supercomputers. They might not know. They might also might
like to know they are using such crappy software.
>
>
>
>>> I say "Linux freezes up" and you whine "Ubuntu != Linux"
>>
>> It is not a whine. Linux != Ubuntu and Ubuntu != Linux.
>
> But you said Fedora was Linux. So why wouldn't Ubuntu be Linux?
Unlike you, I can change my opinions based on additional information. As
I have repeatedly told you, and you, in your child-like bigotry refuse to
listen, (insert distro name) != Linux. It might be a Linux based distro.
>
>>> Rasker says he makes all his money with 'Linux' and not a peep out of
>>> you.
>>
>> If the system he uses is based on a Linux kernel, then he is indeed
>> using Linux.
>
> heh... what a chump you are, (p)Rick. Can't be consistent or honest for
> 2 seconds.
What's the matter, Kindergarten Boy, did you run out of Mommy's ice cream
too soon?
>>> What's up with the hypocrisy, (p)Rick?
>>
>> No hypocrisy, Kindergarten Boy. Go finish your ice cream before Mommy
>> gets angry.
>
> Nothing but hypocrisy. It's how you get by in life: make a living with
> Windows, whine about it by night.
I use Linux based distros whenever I can.
--
Rick
DFS
>>> I make all my money with Linux.
>>
>> So you say.
>
> Well, actually I make my money with my brains and my hands. Linux is
> just a tool that I use a lot to make things easier.
hmmm... why do so few use the same tool? I mean, if it's such a great tool,
why is it almost universally ignored by end users?
>>> Translating & editing books,
>>
>> Nothing Linuxy about that.
>
> It is when I'm using OpenOffice on a Linux machine -- and yes, I
> collaborate with Windows users, e.g. tracking changes over time.
Isn't it cute how OpenOffice just scams the menu items almost 1-for-1 from
MS Office?
Now they're trying to duplicate the Ribbon interface. The innovation is
mind-blowing.
>>> designing electronic circuits & devices,
>>
>> ahhh... here you've forsaken the good paid-for commercial Windows
>> stuff (PADS, OrCAD) and accepted the substandard PCB crapware
>> available in Linux la-la land.
>
> You may be interested to hear that I find gEDA easier and much more
> reliable to work with than any Windows-based suite I 've ever used.
Then you haven't used any in a long time.
> I still have nightmares from my W98 days,
heh... like I said... you have to whine about 12 year old stuff.
Hey, tell us about the state of Linux 12 years ago, before they started
putting 'My Computer' icons on the desktop.
Do you understand that even today, in 2010, installing software on Linux (if
it's not in the repo) is usually a convoluted hassle? Boggles the mind.
> when firing up PCB routing
> with UltiBoard was a gamble, with a less than 50% chance of not
> freezing or crashing along the way.
Lie.
> All those hours I wasted looking
> at a screen, waiting if my oh so desired PCB layout would
> materialise, only to conclude at 5 PM that either Windows or the
> Windows-based crapware had crashed, and I lost yet another day on an
> already tight schedule.
More lies, ala Rex Ballard and his "thousands of hours lost due to Windows
crashing"
> I also have the very reassuring knowledge that I'll be able to open my
> current projects in 10 years' time. Unlike some Windows applications
> -- I still have some 12 y/o Layo and UltiBoard files that I can't
> open at all any more, as far as I can tell.
Why not?
www.ni.com/ultiboard/
http://www.baas.nl/layo1pcb/uk/index.html
> And even if I could open
> those files, I most certainly cannot convert them to any other format
> than their native application format.
>
> Neither is there a way to
> extract the physical layout data, such as shapes or distances --
> simply because the formats used are closed, binary formats.
"Easy export to industry-standard Gerber or DXF formats for prototyping and
fabrication"
http://www.ni.com/ultiboard/
> Nope, I'll never get burned on Microsoft crapware again.
You were never burned in the first place. But now you're using Linux and
you're saving tens of dollars! And you have no games worth playing, and the
app universe is basically a joke.
Congrats!
> Ever. I wouldn't even be surprised if using it has cost me more money than
> it
> has made me.
Maybe so. You come across as extremely small potatoes.
>>> creating reports, databases and spreadsheets,
>>
>> OpenOffice? Sheer pretender. Get yourself some MS Office and be
>> done with it.
>
> OpenOffice is already good enough for the majority of MS Office users.
"Good enough" isn't good enough, except for most Linux/OSS users.
>> Learn Access and build yourself a sophisticated personal db
>> system.
>
> Excuse me? Access and "sophisticated"? You must be talking through
> your rear passage here.
That statement is 100% evidence you're ignorant and unskilled.
> Access is a toy, designed to give halfwit
> pencil pushers the idea that they're doing something "databasey".
Then you haven't looked at that seriously inferior OpenOffice Base. It
lacks basic features Access had 15 years ago.
"At the moment OpenOffice.org Base supports only very limited report
functionality." http://dba.openoffice.org/specifications/ReportDesigner.odt
They said the exact same thing more than a year ago. What's wrong - having
trouble finding people to waste their lives on that slopware?
> Anyone using Access for serious applications is asking for trouble
> (not to mention a pink slip).
You wouldn't put a banking or insurance transaction system on the Jet
engine, but when combined with a proper rdbms Access can be sublime.
Such as: http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/AirFares.PNG
I've delivered maybe 75 to 100 VB/Access/SQL Server/Oracle/DB2 solutions
through the years. Rather than a pink slip, I'm constantly asked for more
features and more work.
>>> administering servers and desktops
>>
>> I suppose 1 server and a few geezer desktops qualifies as
>> "administering" but it's not really Ivy League, now is it?
>
> Sure DFS. It's only 11 servers and some 120 desktops. Nothing worth
> mentioning. Not in Linux land, anyway. In the Windows world, this
> would no doubt be a huge achievement for one admin.
Sorry, but your numeric claims get discounted by a factor of 10, because
you're a liar.
So, 1 server and 12 desktops.
>>> all done with Linux exclusively.
>>> No need for Windows at all, not even for being
>>> compatible with the rest of the Windows-centric world.
>>
>> You mean the tiny, tiny slice of the Windows-centric world you deal
>> with.
>
> Like book editors, technology companies, several electronics and music
> businesses, and of course all my customers. Then again, quite a few of
> those either already use Linux or are planning to migrate away from
> the eternal headache called Windows.
Sure they are. Like your girl on the train who claimed "Vista sux!" I bet
she migrated to Linux at her next stop.
Meanwhile:
http://getclicky.com/marketshare/nl/operating-systems/windows/
>>> But you were saying ...?
>>
>> I was talking to Linosuck specifically, but your story is
>> illustrative of how open sourcers almost always have to settle for
>> the worst software available, just so they can say they use Linux
>> for "everything".
>
> Interesting. I never noticed that I was using the "worst software
> available". It usually does what I want it to do -- much unlike
> Windows and a lot of Windows-based software I have experience with.
You've had to degrade your standards in app and games to "enjoy" Linux. You
know it and I know it and everyone who uses Linux knows it. It's the cost
of "freedom"... but it's not worth bearing, at any price.
Rick
Why do you keep asking the same question over and over?
--
Rick
TomB
Just let it go. He's just trolling now.
Here's what I said directly to him in an earlier thread:
<quote>
Linux is fine to refer to distributions in general, eg. Linux is very
well suited to build a state of the art webserver. Linux is not fine
to refer to a single distribution or a particular group of
distributions, eg. the user interface of Linux sucks big time.
</quote>
I assume your position is very likewise, judging from your posts.
And then he thinks my position I quoted above clashes with me agreeing
with:
<quote>
As I said before, and you are proving now, your use of "playing semantic
games" shows you do not understand the vocabulary or they system (s). An
X problem is not a Linux problem. A Gnome problem is not a Linux problem.
A Metacity or Compiz problem is not a Linux problem.
</quote>
Yes, if one makes the distinction between Linux in general and a
specific part of it, Snit thinks this is 'semantic games'.
Don't worry about it. It's bullshit. And he knows this. He even knows
the distinction is important. He just likes to use his 'semantic
games' routine to troll and to try to get the upperhand in
discussions.
--
I sense much NT in you. NT leads to Bluescreen.
Bluescreen leads to downtime. Downtime leads to suffering.
NT is the path to the dark side. Powerful Unix is.
Rick
.. MOL :-)
>
> And then he thinks my position I quoted above clashes with me agreeing
> with:
>
> <quote>
> As I said before, and you are proving now, your use of "playing semantic
> games" shows you do not understand the vocabulary or they system (s). An
> X problem is not a Linux problem. A Gnome problem is not a Linux
> problem. A Metacity or Compiz problem is not a Linux problem. </quote>
>
> Yes, if one makes the distinction between Linux in general and a
> specific part of it, Snit thinks this is 'semantic games'.
Yes, it seems he does.
>
> Don't worry about it. It's bullshit. And he knows this. He even knows
> the distinction is important. He just likes to use his 'semantic games'
> routine to troll and to try to get the upperhand in discussions.
I am not sure he understands the distinction. I don't think he
understands that a problem, for example, with X under Arch is not a
"Linux problem".
Ah, well....
--
Rick
Richard Rasker
> Richard Rasker wrote:
>
>>>> I make all my money with Linux.
>>>
>>> So you say.
>>
>> Well, actually I make my money with my brains and my hands. Linux is
>> just a tool that I use a lot to make things easier.
>
> hmmm... why do so few use the same tool? I mean, if it's such a great
> tool, why is it almost universally ignored by end users?
Because end users don't know about Linux, and because Microsoft is very good
at convincing manufacturers, retailers, software makers, businesses and
consumers alike to use their stuff. And an illegally established monopoly
plus a marketing budget running into billions of dollars annually goes
quite a long way toward ensuring that this state of affairs persists.
In fact, Linux is not "universally ignored by end users" -- it's chosen over
Windows in almost every situation except for desktops (which, admittedly,
is quite a large group). From simple routers to servers to high-end trading
systems to supercomputers: Linux is by far the dominant OS, not Windows.
Which to me is yet another indication that at least as an OS, Linux is
superior to Windows, with a lower TCO. It's just not pushed for desktop use
the way Windows is, resulting in less choice in desktop applications, and
thus less popularity ... In other words: a classical chicken-and-egg
problem.
But then again, you just have to see how Microsoft is scared shitless of
Linux to appreciate the fact that Microsoft is nothing more than the
emperor's tailor -- and well aware of it.
Snit
10:39 PM:
I saw through your first whining too easily. OK.
> You don't get to decide what I will or won't be pleased, or unpleased
> about, so please do not attempt to speak for me.
I never said I get to decide that you will play stupid games and pretend to
not understand people when they say "Linux"... in fact, I would prefer if
you would *not* play such games.
So why do you?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
10:43 PM:
>>>>>> Rick and TomB are going to be very, very unpleased with your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe they're quite capable of distinguishing between a strictly
>>>>> literal interpretation, and a completely accepted generalization,
>>>>> inaccurate though the latter may be.
>>>>
>>>> One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to do
>>>> so.
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
>>
>> Rick:
>> Just because you are using a Linux kernel doesn't mean it is a
>> Linux problem.
>>
>> Those words are completely forgotten, right? LOL!
>
> Just because someone is using a Linux kernel and has a problem doesn't
> mean it is a Linux problem. I have explained this to you before. You
> refuse to listen. There can be problems in many sub-systems.. such as X,
> KDE libs, Gnome libs, apps, etc. An X problem is not a Linux problem. Or,
> is it now your position that a person having a problem with X running
> under OS X is a Linux problem?
And before you denied you played such games... now you are proving you do.
So when Richard Rasker said:
I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books,
designing electronic circuits & devices, creating reports,
databases and spreadsheets, administering servers and
desktops -- all done with Linux exclusively. No need for
Windows at all, not even for being compatible with the rest
of the Windows-centric world.
You thought he meant just Linux. You really do not understand context or
how people use terms.
>> If you do not want me talking about your silly games then do not play
>> them. Is that really too hard for you?
>
> Maybe you should learn how distros work.
So educate me... what do you think I am missing?
Oh. You have *nothing* to share. You know *nothing*.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
10:47 PM:
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:31:40 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:59:54 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>> One would think... but Rick especially has claimed to be unable to do
>>>> so.
>>
>> (p)Rick is a moron.
>
> Hey, Kindergarten Boy. Mommy letting you stay up late? Did she give you
> ice cream and cookies?
>
>>> I'd appreciate it you would stop lying about me.
>>
>> Hey (p)Rick, why is it you have NEVER ONCE chided a cola "adv0cate" for
>> using 'Linux'?
>
> Well Kindergarten Boy, why would I chide anyone for using Linux? I use
> Linux. More people should use Linux.
The quotes have a meaning... he was in reference to using the term "Linux",
as Richard did:
I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books,
designing electronic circuits & devices, creating reports,
databases and spreadsheets, administering servers and
desktops -- all done with Linux exclusively. No need for
Windows at all, not even for being compatible with the rest
of the Windows-centric world.
You did not jump in to whine about his use. The reason why is clear: you
were simply trolling me when you played that game with me.
>> I say "Linux freezes up" and you whine "Ubuntu != Linux"
>
> It is not a whine. Linux != Ubuntu and Ubuntu != Linux.
And nobody has said they are the same. You just whine... you hate actually
talking about Linux, so you play semantic games.
>> Rasker says he makes all his money with 'Linux' and not a peep out of
>> you.
>
> If hte system he uses is based on a Linux kernel, then he is indeed using
> Linux.
So you think it is *Linux*, the kernel, which:
* translates books
* edits books
* designs electronic circuits & devices
And all the rest he lists. Linux. Itself. No need for any other product.
Yeah, Rick: you keep claiming to understand the OSS ecosystem, but *nobody*
uses just *Linux* to do those things. Why don't you try to learn a little
about the OSS ecosystem.
>> What's up with the hypocrisy, (p)Rick?
>
> No hypocrisy, Kindergarten Boy. Go finish your ice cream before Mommy
> gets angry.
Ice cream? Huh? Why not talk about Linux.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
6:31 AM:
...
>> Don't worry about it. It's bullshit. And he knows this. He even knows
>> the distinction is important. He just likes to use his 'semantic games'
>> routine to troll and to try to get the upperhand in discussions.
>
> I am not sure he understands the distinction. I don't think he
> understands that a problem, for example, with X under Arch is not a
> "Linux problem".
>
> Ah, well....
I make all my money with Linux. Translating & editing books,
designing electronic circuits & devices, creating reports,
databases and spreadsheets, administering servers and
desktops -- all done with Linux exclusively. No need for
Windows at all, not even for being compatible with the rest
of the Windows-centric world.
You better explain the distinction to Richard! Poor guy clearly had no
clue... in your world.
For the rest of us, well, we get context.
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]