K-Lite Mega codec pack is legal freeware. Suck it, chumps.
DFS
http://www.free-codecs.com/freeware_pop.html
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http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Codec-Packs-Video-Codecs/KLite-Mega-Codec-Pack.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/user/licensing_free.shtml
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Have the "advocates" ever been right about anything in their miserable
lives?
Hadron
Creepy Chris Junior has assured us its illegal usage is much more common
that we all think. Possibly on his "users" machines...
Snit
PM:
Also interesting how something which is "very common" or whatever has so few
comments left for it. Even at cnet the current version has only 6 reviews.
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An Old Friend
ilgrik$5eg$3...@news.eternal-september.org in stone using Trajan:
Well, I know that Technicolor (formerly Thomson) doesn't assess mp3
royalties for end-users or any organization that makes less than $100,000
per year:
"However, no license is needed for private, non-commercial activities
(e.g., home-entertainment, receiving broadcasts and creating a personal
music library), not generating revenue or other consideration of any kind
or for entities with associated annual gross revenue less than US$ 100
000.00."
http://mp3licensing.com/help/index.html
And I know that the Gstreamer folks paid the royalty to Fraunhofer/
Technicolor so that makes any GPL or BSD project that uses that framework
legal.
Snit
If the codecs are legal in VLC and MPlayer, why would they not be legal
here? The idea that they are not seems rather odd, esp. given the other
evidence.
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Homer
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:19:52 -0500, DFS chiseled
http://codecguide.com/features_mega.htm
Read it again.
>> Have the "advocates" ever been right about anything in their
>> miserable lives?
Have you?
So who do you suppose owns the copyright on "MP3 (Fraunhofer) [version
3.4.0.0]", "DivX [version 3.11]", "On2 VP7 [version 7.0.10.0]" and
"MPEG-2 (Cyberlink) [version 8.4.0.1408]", and if this is legitimate
"freeware" then why are there no download links to these codecs on the
respective developers' Websites?
> Well, I know that Technicolor (formerly Thomson) doesn't assess mp3
> royalties for end-users or any organization that makes less than
> $100,000 per year:
This is about copyrights, not patents. The four codecs above are
non-redistributable. Software Patent issues are another matter, not
relevant to works by patent license holders (as the above companies
are), and not really relevant to users outside the US.
> And I know that the Gstreamer folks paid the royalty to Fraunhofer/
> Technicolor so that makes any GPL or BSD project that uses that
> framework legal.
However, the above "MP3 (Fraunhofer) [version 3.4.0.0]" is an actual
/copyrighted/ piece of /software/ by the Fraunhofer institute, not just
supposedly patented technology. AFAIK Microsoft obtained a /copyright/
license to redistribute a decoder, and a rate-limited encoder from
Fraunhofer years ago (although I believe the rate-limit has since been
lifted). However, /others/ who are not licensed do /not/ have the right
to redistribute this copyrighted piece of software.
In fact the only legitimate public source for the Fraunhofer MP3 codec
v3.4.0.0 that I can find, is "l3codecp.acm" from the Windows 7 install
disc:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t79978.html
Anyone else redistributing this, is breaking copyright law.
And that still leaves the other three.
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Snit
So how would you read things so encoded on Linux?
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C9A165CE.91B30%use...@gallopinginsanity.com in stone using Trajan:
From what I can gather (and it's not easy to find specific information
sometimes), MPEG-LA et al., only goes after people who are making money
with the codecs. The list of companies that have paid for codec
redistribution licenses is impressive:
http://mp3licensing.com/licensees/index.asp
I'm guessing that the K-Lite team isn't earning over $100,000 a year, so
they don't have to pay any licensing fees. That's just a guess, but I
don't have any other plausible suggestions at the moment.
The FFmpeg team has a nice page about legal issues that may help someone
understand some of the issues involved: http://ffmpeg.org/legal.html
In any case, I paid for the Fluendo pack, so I know I'm covered no matter
what. I probably could have gotten away with not paying for it, but I'm
glad I made the choice to pay for the proprietary codecs.
The Fluendo team does offer the mp3 codec by itself for free on its
webpage: http://www.fluendo.com/shop/category/end-user-products/
This indicates to me that either Fluendo makes enough money selling the
other products to offer the mp3 codec as a "loss leader," or they
negotiated an extremely-low-to-no royalty payment for the mp3 codec.
Lusotec
> Homer stated in post d0jt48-...@sky.matrix on 3/12/11 6:25 PM:
>>
>> Anyone else redistributing this, is breaking copyright law.
>>
>> And that still leaves the other three.
>
> So how would you read things so encoded on Linux?
There are codecs for those formats released under free licenses that have
few or no distribution or copyright restricted. Patent restrictions may
apply, depending on the user's location.
Regards.
Snit
PM:
...
>> If the codecs are legal in VLC and MPlayer, why would they not be legal
>> here? The idea that they are not seems rather odd, esp. given the other
>> evidence.
>
> From what I can gather (and it's not easy to find specific information
> sometimes), MPEG-LA et al., only goes after people who are making money
> with the codecs. The list of companies that have paid for codec
> redistribution licenses is impressive:
>
> http://mp3licensing.com/licensees/index.asp
>
> I'm guessing that the K-Lite team isn't earning over $100,000 a year, so
> they don't have to pay any licensing fees. That's just a guess, but I
> don't have any other plausible suggestions at the moment.
Makes sense.
> The FFmpeg team has a nice page about legal issues that may help someone
> understand some of the issues involved: http://ffmpeg.org/legal.html
>
> In any case, I paid for the Fluendo pack, so I know I'm covered no matter
> what. I probably could have gotten away with not paying for it, but I'm
> glad I made the choice to pay for the proprietary codecs.
>
> The Fluendo team does offer the mp3 codec by itself for free on its
> webpage: http://www.fluendo.com/shop/category/end-user-products/
>
> This indicates to me that either Fluendo makes enough money selling the
> other products to offer the mp3 codec as a "loss leader," or they
> negotiated an extremely-low-to-no royalty payment for the mp3 codec.
In the end, no real reason to think laws are being broken.
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Snit
7:24 PM:
So they may or may not be legal?
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> MPEG-LA et al., only goes after people who are making money with the
> codecs.
They don’t offer indemnification, though. So paying them is no guarantee you
won’t be sued by someone else
<http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070222/133532.shtml>.
Lusotec
> Lusotec wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t79978.html
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else redistributing this, is breaking copyright law.
>>>>
>>>> And that still leaves the other three.
>>>
>>> So how would you read things so encoded on Linux?
>>
>> There are codecs for those formats released under free licenses that have
>> few or no distribution or copyright restricted. Patent restrictions may
>> apply, depending on the user's location.
>
> So they may or may not be legal?
Yes, It depends on the legislation and how patents law applies to the end
user.
Regards.
Snit
8:21 PM:
And Homer explodes in 3... 2... 1... :)
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Tattoo Vampire
> Have the "advocates" ever been right about anything in their miserable
> lives?
They're right when they say you're a miserable, trolling prick.
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Homer
> Homer stated in post d0jt48-...@sky.matrix on 3/12/11 6:25 PM:
>> In fact the only legitimate public source for the Fraunhofer MP3
>> codec v3.4.0.0 that I can find, is "l3codecp.acm" from the Windows 7
>> install disc:
>>
>> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t79978.html
>>
>> Anyone else redistributing this, is breaking copyright law.
>>
>> And that still leaves the other three.
>
> So how would you read things so encoded on Linux?
Using software not copyrighted to the Fraunhofer institute, unlike the
Fraunhofer MP3 codec v3.4.0.0, obviously.
Chris Ahlstrom
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Have the "advocates" ever been right about anything in their miserable
>> lives?
>
> They're right when they say you're a miserable, trolling prick.
And an asswipe!
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> Owner, Trollus Amongus LLC
>
> "My arm!", said Captain Hook offhandedly.
LOL.
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> Tattoo Vampire wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Have the "advocates" ever been right about anything in their miserable
>>> lives?
>>
>> They're right when they say you're a miserable, trolling prick.
>
> And an asswipe!
>
Ezekiel
"Clog_-_wog (Ž)" <clog_...@anonimous.eu> wrote in message
news:ilijkb$4la$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Why is it that most of these idiots are a complete waste of bandwidth?
What sort of idiot would bother making a useless "asswipe" post in the first
place? Obviously some of these morons still haven't grown up and act like a
bunch of 13 year-old idiots who still think that "asswipe" and "poop" are
funny words.
flatfish+++
I can just imagine parties at the Liarmutt foundation.
Liarmutt running around on all fours offering to wipe men's pee pee's
and sniff lady's asses.
And that's before he gets drunk!
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> So they may or may not be legal?
That’s the beauty of source code: you can’t stop it being published just for
patent reasons.
flatfish+++
And the end user could care less.
Snit
4:45 PM:
> In message <C9A17CC6.91B4E%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit wrote:
>
>> So they may or may not be legal?
>
> Thatšs the beauty of source code: you canšt stop it being published just for
> patent reasons.
More snipping from you and you dodged the question I asked about the
legality of codecs on Linux.
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chrisv
>Why is it that most of these idiots are a complete waste of bandwidth?
>
>What sort of idiot would bother making a useless "asswipe" post in the first
>place? Obviously some of these morons still haven't grown up and act like a
>bunch of 13 year-old idiots who still think that "asswipe" and "poop" are
>funny words.
Yeah, it's the advocates who deserve to be attacked for insipid posts.
What a fscking hypocrite you are, "Ezekiel".
Ben
useless turd "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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more documented likes from the dumbest turd in the tank.
"chrisv" is a liar. chrisv is a stupid piece of shit.
Chris Ahlstrom
I haven't seen Zeke take "Ben" to task for posts like this:
what is amazing is that your whore mother didn't flush a stupid turd like
you down the toilet.
"Selective deafness", they might call it.
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chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>>Why is it that most of these idiots are a complete waste of bandwidth?
>>>
>>>What sort of idiot would bother making a useless "asswipe" post in the first
>>>place? Obviously some of these morons still haven't grown up and act like a
>>>bunch of 13 year-old idiots who still think that "asswipe" and "poop" are
>>>funny words.
>>
>> Yeah, it's the advocates who deserve to be attacked for insipid posts.
>>
>> What a fscking hypocrite you are, "Ezekiel".
>
>I haven't seen Zeke take "Ben" to task for posts like this:
Of course you haven't.
"Ezekiel" is the biggest hypocrite here.
This is, I believe, why he works so hard to pin the "hypocrite" label
on us. He attacks us for what he is guilty of.
> what is amazing is that your whore mother didn't flush a stupid turd like
> you down the toilet.
>
>"Selective deafness", they might call it.
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Tarozaki
stupid turd "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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*snip* - more lies from the mentally ill piece of shit.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro stated in post iljktv$hrf$2...@lust.ihug.co.nz on 3/13/11
> 4:45 PM:
>
>> In message <C9A17CC6.91B4E%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> So they may or may not be legal?
>>
>> That¹s the beauty of source code: you can¹t stop it being published just
>> for patent reasons.
>
> More snipping from you and you dodged the question I asked about the
> legality of codecs on Linux.
You seem to be full of complaints about your inability to hold up your end
of the argument, aren’t you?
Snit
7:42 PM:
> In message <C9A2A84C.91D09%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro stated in post iljktv$hrf$2...@lust.ihug.co.nz on 3/13/11
>> 4:45 PM:
>>
>>> In message <C9A17CC6.91B4E%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> So they may or may not be legal?
>>>
>>> That占쏙옙s the beauty of source code: you can占쏙옙t stop it being published just
>>> for patent reasons.
>>
>> More snipping from you and you dodged the question I asked about the
>> legality of codecs on Linux.
>
> You seem to be full of complaints about your inability to hold up your end
> of the argument, aren占쏙옙t you?
I am noting your inability to do anything but snip and dodge. But have fun
trying to turn it around!
In the end, you have nothing to counter my views. Excellent.
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