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Onion Knight
Jun 15, 2012, 5:16:44 PM6/15/12
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There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way to create a
linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum kindly made a video to
show what he thought was the correct method
http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
A couple of other people in the group say that the video skips a
number of steps but when I look at the directions from Microsoft I do
not see any they could be referring to.
Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a linear trend
line? I admit this is a bit over my head so any input would be welcome.
linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum kindly made a video to
show what he thought was the correct method
http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
A couple of other people in the group say that the video skips a
number of steps but when I look at the directions from Microsoft I do
not see any they could be referring to.
Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a linear trend
line? I admit this is a bit over my head so any input would be welcome.
Peter Köhlmann
Jun 15, 2012, 6:29:39 PM6/15/12
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Nobody here believes that "Onion Knight" is anything but a sock
joeu2004
Jun 15, 2012, 7:22:04 PM6/15/12
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"Onion Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
> to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
> kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
> method
> http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
[....]
> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
> to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
> kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
> method
> http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
> linear trend line?
I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> linear trend line?
thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
without getting into anything so esoteric.
I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
I would also select the trendline options to display the trendline equation
and the R-squared of the trendline.
And after displaying the trendline equation, I might select the option to
Format Trendline Label in order to alter the display precision of the
coefficients. I would select Scientific with 14 decimal places if I want to
see the trendline coefficients "exactly"; that is, the most precision that
Excel will display.
But none of those "steps" affects how the linear trendline is created.
FYI, we can also use the Excel function LINEST to determine the regression
line coefficients.
If the dates are in A1:A24 and the percentages are in B1:B24, select two
horizontal cells and array-enter the following formula (press
ctrl+shift+Enter instead just Enter): =LINEST(B1:B24,A1:A24).
To compare with the "exact" trendline coefficients, I would also format the
LINEST results as Scientific with 14 decimal places.
You might notice infinitesimal differences between the trendline
coefficients and the LINEST results. But in this case, they are same up 10
or 11 decimal places in this case; "close enough for government work". As a
guess, the difference might be attributed to physically different internal
algorithms and/or to differences in internal floating-point arithmetic
anomalies.
For some insight into how the Excel LINEST and linear trendline coefficients
might be derived, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_linear_regression.
Note that =COVAR(A1:A24,B1:B24)/VARP(A1:A24) in E3 and
=AVERAGE(B1:B24)-E3*AVERAGE(A1:A24) are about the same as the LINEST
results. The difference is in the 3 least-significant binary bits of the
floating-point representations in this case.
You might also take note of the wiki page section titled "Normality
assumption". That may or may not be relevant to the COLA debates.
Snit
Jun 15, 2012, 8:45:21 PM6/15/12
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On 6/15/12 4:22 PM, in article jrgg4u$to5$1...@dont-email.me, "joeu2004"
other related images with trend lines)... it shows the steps and they match
what MS suggests exactly (with the exception that I use the right-click
method to get to some tools where the MS page suggests using the Ribbon).
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
Thank you. I think anyone who knows Excel well... or even not so well... or
even poorly but can read the steps provided by MS... can see this. But
someone in COLA kept saying I was missing steps:
cc:
------
I will gladly educate your ignorant ass, and give you step by
step instructions on how to correctly do it so you can see
all your missing steps, but first you have to stop lying.
------
So you are missing some key steps before doing the trendline.
I have said that many times now.
------
He later said he was in reference to doing more than just creating the trend
line, which is all I said I was doing - he claimed I was missing steps to do
part of a process I never claimed to do. Yes: his claims were idiotic.
This is the nature of the "advocacy" groups.
Bottom line: my steps for creating a linear trend line were flawless, which
is not to say creating such a line was the only form of analysis that could
be done on such data or that the creation of a linear trend line on data
that is clearly not linear is the best way to do an analysis.
Using the same steps, though, I was able to show a trend line with a very
good fit for the second half of 2011:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrend2011-2ndhalf.png>
And also able to show how the trend changed for the first half of 2012:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendLine2012.jpg>
The fact is, a linear trend line is not going to show a very good fit with
non-linear data... or data where the trend changes.
> I would also select the trendline options to display the trendline equation
> and the R-squared of the trendline.
You can see where I did that in the above links... and in others that I
made... a whole bunch of them combined:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxMultLinearTrendLines.png>
Even then my labeling is not done well... but my only claim was that I made
the linear trend line correctly, not that the graph had good labeling, etc.
I openly acknowledge it did not.
> And after displaying the trendline equation, I might select the option to
> Format Trendline Label in order to alter the display precision of the
> coefficients. I would select Scientific with 14 decimal places if I want to
> see the trendline coefficients "exactly"; that is, the most precision that
> Excel will display.
Seems a bit excessive for the needs here - but I did know about those
options.
> But none of those "steps" affects how the linear trendline is created.
Correct. Nor do they remove the fact there are other forms of analysis that
can be done.
> FYI, we can also use the Excel function LINEST to determine the regression
> line coefficients.
>
> If the dates are in A1:A24 and the percentages are in B1:B24, select two
> horizontal cells and array-enter the following formula (press
> ctrl+shift+Enter instead just Enter): =LINEST(B1:B24,A1:A24).
I have used this function a couple of times... but never for any real work.
:)
> To compare with the "exact" trendline coefficients, I would also format the
> LINEST results as Scientific with 14 decimal places.
>
> You might notice infinitesimal differences between the trendline
> coefficients and the LINEST results. But in this case, they are same up 10
> or 11 decimal places in this case; "close enough for government work". As a
> guess, the difference might be attributed to physically different internal
> algorithms and/or to differences in internal floating-point arithmetic
> anomalies.
>
> For some insight into how the Excel LINEST and linear trendline coefficients
> might be derived, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_linear_regression.
>
> Note that =COVAR(A1:A24,B1:B24)/VARP(A1:A24) in E3 and
> =AVERAGE(B1:B24)-E3*AVERAGE(A1:A24) are about the same as the LINEST
> results. The difference is in the 3 least-significant binary bits of the
> floating-point representations in this case.
>
> You might also take note of the wiki page section titled "Normality
> assumption". That may or may not be relevant to the COLA debates.
Not really... though the idea of a normal distribution was also debated. A
bit of info you might or might not know: you can easily visualize where the
standard deviation (sigma) lines should be drawn on a normal distribution...
the lines are *always* at the distance from the mean to the inflection point
on the curve (where the concavity changes). I was repeatedly told by the
same person the distance was irrelevant:
cc:
-----
There'se nothing wrong with the image, other than some weird
axis labeling.
-----
Snit's so fucking stupid he thinks the sigma lines are drawn
based on distance from the mean, not area under the curve.
-----
| The sigma lines are drawn based on the area of the curve -
| which is easy to see when the images screw it up, esp. when
| they do so really badly, like in some of the ones I showed
| you.
They are not wrong.
------
LOL!!!! All of those links are fine. The first sigma lines
cover 68% of the area UNDER THE CURVE.
-----
If you would like to prove, on any single one of the links
you call incorrect, that the first sigma lines do not bound
an area that is 68.2% of the area UNDER THE CURVE, then I
would like to see it.
-----
Hahahaha your "approximate inflection points" are hilarious.
Please, post more on this subject.
------
I explained to him why he was wrong here: <http://youtu.be/MoW3hMq-eIc>
There are many examples of people who should know better getting this wrong.
Here are some
<http://www.udel.edu/htr/Statistics/Images/Class12/normal2.gif> From:
<http://www.udel.edu/htr/Statistics/Notes/class12.html>
Which is the example I used for showing how him can make a decent
approximation visually: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sd.png>.
I also pointed to some other examples which at least appear incorrect to me
(though they are not as far off as the above example):
<http://www.footballguys.com/shickstandard_1_files/image009.gif> From:
<http://www.footballguys.com/shickstandard_1.htm>
Sigma lines clearly not at a far enough distance from the mean, esp. on the
graph to the right.
<http://www.gsseser.com/images/StandardDeviation2s.gif> From:
<http://www.gsseser.com/Deviation.htm>
Sigma lines clearly not at a far enough distance from the mean.
You would think that such sites would be made by people who knew better. I
openly admit I am not a math wiz but it is rather silly when sites claiming
to be teaching such things get their depictions wrong (of course, one of the
sites above is from "Footballguys"... and you might not expect them, by
stereotype, to be the most knowledgeable in such areas anyway). :)
Anyway, sorry to have the idiotic debate spread to other forums... though it
is sorta fun to see people who clearly know what they are talking about rip
apart those who were calling me names and insisting they "knew" I was wrong.
:)
--
The indisputable facts about that absurd debate: <http://goo.gl/2337P>
cc being proved wrong about his stats BS: <http://goo.gl/1aYrP>
7 simple questions cc will *never* answer: <http://goo.gl/cNBzu>
cc again pretends to be knowledgeable about things he is clueless about.
<joeu...@foo.bar> wrote:
> "Onion Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
>> to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
>> kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
>> method
>> http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> [....]
>> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
>> linear trend line?
>
> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>
> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
> without getting into anything so esoteric.
Really the video is all you need to see (I am the one who created it and the
> "Onion Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
>> to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
>> kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
>> method
>> http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> [....]
>> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
>> linear trend line?
>
> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>
> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
> without getting into anything so esoteric.
other related images with trend lines)... it shows the steps and they match
what MS suggests exactly (with the exception that I use the right-click
method to get to some tools where the MS page suggests using the Ribbon).
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
even poorly but can read the steps provided by MS... can see this. But
someone in COLA kept saying I was missing steps:
cc:
------
I will gladly educate your ignorant ass, and give you step by
step instructions on how to correctly do it so you can see
all your missing steps, but first you have to stop lying.
------
So you are missing some key steps before doing the trendline.
I have said that many times now.
------
He later said he was in reference to doing more than just creating the trend
line, which is all I said I was doing - he claimed I was missing steps to do
part of a process I never claimed to do. Yes: his claims were idiotic.
This is the nature of the "advocacy" groups.
Bottom line: my steps for creating a linear trend line were flawless, which
is not to say creating such a line was the only form of analysis that could
be done on such data or that the creation of a linear trend line on data
that is clearly not linear is the best way to do an analysis.
Using the same steps, though, I was able to show a trend line with a very
good fit for the second half of 2011:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrend2011-2ndhalf.png>
And also able to show how the trend changed for the first half of 2012:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendLine2012.jpg>
The fact is, a linear trend line is not going to show a very good fit with
non-linear data... or data where the trend changes.
> I would also select the trendline options to display the trendline equation
> and the R-squared of the trendline.
made... a whole bunch of them combined:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxMultLinearTrendLines.png>
Even then my labeling is not done well... but my only claim was that I made
the linear trend line correctly, not that the graph had good labeling, etc.
I openly acknowledge it did not.
> And after displaying the trendline equation, I might select the option to
> Format Trendline Label in order to alter the display precision of the
> coefficients. I would select Scientific with 14 decimal places if I want to
> see the trendline coefficients "exactly"; that is, the most precision that
> Excel will display.
options.
> But none of those "steps" affects how the linear trendline is created.
can be done.
> FYI, we can also use the Excel function LINEST to determine the regression
> line coefficients.
>
> If the dates are in A1:A24 and the percentages are in B1:B24, select two
> horizontal cells and array-enter the following formula (press
> ctrl+shift+Enter instead just Enter): =LINEST(B1:B24,A1:A24).
:)
> To compare with the "exact" trendline coefficients, I would also format the
> LINEST results as Scientific with 14 decimal places.
>
> You might notice infinitesimal differences between the trendline
> coefficients and the LINEST results. But in this case, they are same up 10
> or 11 decimal places in this case; "close enough for government work". As a
> guess, the difference might be attributed to physically different internal
> algorithms and/or to differences in internal floating-point arithmetic
> anomalies.
>
> For some insight into how the Excel LINEST and linear trendline coefficients
> might be derived, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_linear_regression.
>
> Note that =COVAR(A1:A24,B1:B24)/VARP(A1:A24) in E3 and
> =AVERAGE(B1:B24)-E3*AVERAGE(A1:A24) are about the same as the LINEST
> results. The difference is in the 3 least-significant binary bits of the
> floating-point representations in this case.
>
> You might also take note of the wiki page section titled "Normality
> assumption". That may or may not be relevant to the COLA debates.
bit of info you might or might not know: you can easily visualize where the
standard deviation (sigma) lines should be drawn on a normal distribution...
the lines are *always* at the distance from the mean to the inflection point
on the curve (where the concavity changes). I was repeatedly told by the
same person the distance was irrelevant:
cc:
-----
There'se nothing wrong with the image, other than some weird
axis labeling.
-----
Snit's so fucking stupid he thinks the sigma lines are drawn
based on distance from the mean, not area under the curve.
-----
| The sigma lines are drawn based on the area of the curve -
| which is easy to see when the images screw it up, esp. when
| they do so really badly, like in some of the ones I showed
| you.
They are not wrong.
------
LOL!!!! All of those links are fine. The first sigma lines
cover 68% of the area UNDER THE CURVE.
-----
If you would like to prove, on any single one of the links
you call incorrect, that the first sigma lines do not bound
an area that is 68.2% of the area UNDER THE CURVE, then I
would like to see it.
-----
Hahahaha your "approximate inflection points" are hilarious.
Please, post more on this subject.
------
I explained to him why he was wrong here: <http://youtu.be/MoW3hMq-eIc>
There are many examples of people who should know better getting this wrong.
Here are some
<http://www.udel.edu/htr/Statistics/Images/Class12/normal2.gif> From:
<http://www.udel.edu/htr/Statistics/Notes/class12.html>
Which is the example I used for showing how him can make a decent
approximation visually: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/sd.png>.
I also pointed to some other examples which at least appear incorrect to me
(though they are not as far off as the above example):
<http://www.footballguys.com/shickstandard_1_files/image009.gif> From:
<http://www.footballguys.com/shickstandard_1.htm>
Sigma lines clearly not at a far enough distance from the mean, esp. on the
graph to the right.
<http://www.gsseser.com/images/StandardDeviation2s.gif> From:
<http://www.gsseser.com/Deviation.htm>
Sigma lines clearly not at a far enough distance from the mean.
You would think that such sites would be made by people who knew better. I
openly admit I am not a math wiz but it is rather silly when sites claiming
to be teaching such things get their depictions wrong (of course, one of the
sites above is from "Footballguys"... and you might not expect them, by
stereotype, to be the most knowledgeable in such areas anyway). :)
Anyway, sorry to have the idiotic debate spread to other forums... though it
is sorta fun to see people who clearly know what they are talking about rip
apart those who were calling me names and insisting they "knew" I was wrong.
:)
--
The indisputable facts about that absurd debate: <http://goo.gl/2337P>
cc being proved wrong about his stats BS: <http://goo.gl/1aYrP>
7 simple questions cc will *never* answer: <http://goo.gl/cNBzu>
cc again pretends to be knowledgeable about things he is clueless about.
Steve Carroll
Jun 15, 2012, 9:39:48 PM6/15/12
to
On Jun 15, 5:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
undertake depends on what your goal for creating the trend line is and
why you'd want to do the steps you mentioned in your reply. Earlier,
in another forum, Snit was talking about this and a poster cut right
to the chase by asking Snit (based on common sense and what Snit had
previously written) the two most obvious questions:
"I gather there are two questions here:
1) Is the trendline approriately fitted to that data?
2) Is the trendline useful in some way?"
Snit's reply:
"Not quite: the question was merely if the process of creating the
trend line was correct - did it follow the process of creating a
linear trend line that is supported by the build in "linear trend
line" properties of the program."
As you can see, Snit himself explains that his goal was not to see if
the "trendline approriately fitted to that data" nor to have the
trendline be "useful in some way". Personally I find this rather
strange... but Snit's goal was revealed in the same post the above
quotes came from... and it's actually even more strange. Notably,
Snit wrote about a correlation between Linux UI improvements and an
increase in market share (a thing he has been arguing in another
newsgroup):
"The point, however, was not to predict the future past where I first
created the line. I had noted that the desktop Linux distros were
clearly focusing on improving their usability - and I predicted that
an increase in usability would lead to an increase in users."
And this, from the same post:
"But the graph was initially made to show that the then-current data
fit with my past predictions - not to make any specific prediction
about the future (such as that the same level of upward trend would be
seen)."
Anyone familiar with this topic knows that, regardless of the method
he used to create his "past predictions" (or any, for that matter) the
data Snit used would not aid in supporting a correlation between UI
improvements in Linux and a rise in marketshare because it's the wrong
kind of data.
We know Snit didn't care if the line fit his data or was useful in any
way... if he's going to argue that he didn't produce the line to show
evidence of his alleged correlation (a thing he is saying up above...
but possibly without realizing it) then one would have to logically
ask:
What the hell was the purpose of his trend line?
> "Onion Knight" <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
> > to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
> > kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
> > method
> >http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> [....]
> > Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
> > linear trend line?
>
> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>
> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
> without getting into anything so esoteric.
>
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
Given your reply it's pretty evident you realize that the process you
> > There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
> > to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
> > kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
> > method
> >http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> [....]
> > Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
> > linear trend line?
>
> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>
> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
> without getting into anything so esoteric.
>
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
undertake depends on what your goal for creating the trend line is and
why you'd want to do the steps you mentioned in your reply. Earlier,
in another forum, Snit was talking about this and a poster cut right
to the chase by asking Snit (based on common sense and what Snit had
previously written) the two most obvious questions:
"I gather there are two questions here:
1) Is the trendline approriately fitted to that data?
2) Is the trendline useful in some way?"
Snit's reply:
"Not quite: the question was merely if the process of creating the
trend line was correct - did it follow the process of creating a
linear trend line that is supported by the build in "linear trend
line" properties of the program."
As you can see, Snit himself explains that his goal was not to see if
the "trendline approriately fitted to that data" nor to have the
trendline be "useful in some way". Personally I find this rather
strange... but Snit's goal was revealed in the same post the above
quotes came from... and it's actually even more strange. Notably,
Snit wrote about a correlation between Linux UI improvements and an
increase in market share (a thing he has been arguing in another
newsgroup):
"The point, however, was not to predict the future past where I first
created the line. I had noted that the desktop Linux distros were
clearly focusing on improving their usability - and I predicted that
an increase in usability would lead to an increase in users."
And this, from the same post:
"But the graph was initially made to show that the then-current data
fit with my past predictions - not to make any specific prediction
about the future (such as that the same level of upward trend would be
seen)."
Anyone familiar with this topic knows that, regardless of the method
he used to create his "past predictions" (or any, for that matter) the
data Snit used would not aid in supporting a correlation between UI
improvements in Linux and a rise in marketshare because it's the wrong
kind of data.
We know Snit didn't care if the line fit his data or was useful in any
way... if he's going to argue that he didn't produce the line to show
evidence of his alleged correlation (a thing he is saying up above...
but possibly without realizing it) then one would have to logically
ask:
What the hell was the purpose of his trend line?
Onion Knight
Jun 15, 2012, 10:54:27 PM6/15/12
to
On Jun 15, 11:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
broke Steve. He is now running around screaming about how I and
anyone else who agreed with Snit on this must be Snit's sock puppets.
Give it a little time and he will insist you must be Snit as well.
This matter is settled. Snit was right to say his process was fine
and cc and Carroll who argued against him were wrong. Snit's linear
trendline was created without flaw. This was obvious from the start
but it is good to get a more educated and impartial stating of it. Fun
to watch Steve crumble as he reads it too.
> "Onion Knight" <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
> > to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
> > kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
> > method
> >http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> [....]
> > Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
> > linear trend line?
>
> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>
> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
> without getting into anything so esoteric.
>
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
Thank you for your posting of this educated opinion, even though it
> > There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
> > to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
> > kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
> > method
> >http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> [....]
> > Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
> > linear trend line?
>
> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>
> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
> without getting into anything so esoteric.
>
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
broke Steve. He is now running around screaming about how I and
anyone else who agreed with Snit on this must be Snit's sock puppets.
Give it a little time and he will insist you must be Snit as well.
This matter is settled. Snit was right to say his process was fine
and cc and Carroll who argued against him were wrong. Snit's linear
trendline was created without flaw. This was obvious from the start
but it is good to get a more educated and impartial stating of it. Fun
to watch Steve crumble as he reads it too.
Onion Knight
Jun 15, 2012, 11:01:40 PM6/15/12
to
On Jun 16, 1:41 am, Steve Carroll <fretwiz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 6:11 pm, Foster <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:47:40 -0700, Snit wrote:
> > > On 6/15/12 3:44 PM, in article 1smpndcpf81js.tavjpchxlzrh$....@40tude.net,
> > > "Foster" <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> I agree.
> > >> Too many coincidences.
>
> > >> I think the other person who came out of the blue is a sock as well.
>
> > >> P.S. I fixed your reply to alt.test back to COLA as well.
>
> > > First: I do not use socks. I
>
> > I really don't want to get involved but all I will say is it looks
> > bad from my perspective.
> > End of it.
> > I'm out of the thread.
>
> OK, but you'll be missing the best part. Here's an absolutely
> hilarious exchange that shows how watered down Snit's trend line
> argument has gotten (to the point where it is now literally non-
> existent). In some newsgroups he cross-trolled to earlier (in the
> hopes of getting an appeal to authority so he could claim a win over
> cc), a poster who knows the topic cut right to the chase:
>
> --
>
> Snit's outrageous reply is the funniest thing I've seen on usenet in a
> long time:
>
> --
>
> In other words, Snit knew he couldn't bullsh*t this guy so he had to
> say "Not quite" to the two main reasons for even creating a trend line
> in the first place! And the reason he gave is equally as funny... he
> wanted to "merely" know if his "process" in Excel was "correct" for
> creating the trend line. Naturally, when you create a trend line you
> have *some* goals in mind... the goals the poster stated. You can't
> even talk about the process used to create the trend line until you
> know what the goals for creating it are. This is just common sense of
> which Snit obviously has none of... as he tossed those goals aside in
> an effort to prove he was "right". Too funny ;)
>
> This pathetically cross-posted thread only got created because Snit
> dumped the idea of using people who are good at math because they
> exposed him. Now he's appealing to people who have used the trend line
> function in Excel and is, like the post I just showed you, completely
> dumping the reason for creating it altogether in the hopes of saving
> face. You'll notice that he is not pointing out how his goal for
> creating the trend line is *not* to see if it will be "approriately
> fitted to that data" or be "useful in some way" (a thing any sane
> person would assume). Gee, do you think he would have received a
> different answer had he made that clear? LOL!
Snit made the claim that he created a linear trendline and did so
correctly. I would love to see where you think Snit said the 2011
trend would continue into 2012, unchanged.
His 2011 trendline fit his claims well. His 2012 tendline did not. You
say that others "exposed him" on this but he never claimed otherwise.
You are just throwing a toddler tantrum because Snit was proved right
by people who know a lot more than you.
For the last decade or so you have been following him around lying
about him because your girlfriend dumped your lying ass and you blamed
him. Poor Steve dumped by an insane bitch and unable to get over it.
Yes Steve the woman who dumped your lying ass was insane and evil. If
you had half a brain you would be celebrating that she left you and
not crying about it into the next decade.
> On Jun 15, 6:11 pm, Foster <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:47:40 -0700, Snit wrote:
> > > On 6/15/12 3:44 PM, in article 1smpndcpf81js.tavjpchxlzrh$....@40tude.net,
> > > "Foster" <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Too many coincidences.
>
> > >> I think the other person who came out of the blue is a sock as well.
>
> > >> P.S. I fixed your reply to alt.test back to COLA as well.
>
> > > First: I do not use socks. I
>
> > I really don't want to get involved but all I will say is it looks
> > bad from my perspective.
> > End of it.
> > I'm out of the thread.
>
> OK, but you'll be missing the best part. Here's an absolutely
> hilarious exchange that shows how watered down Snit's trend line
> argument has gotten (to the point where it is now literally non-
> existent). In some newsgroups he cross-trolled to earlier (in the
> hopes of getting an appeal to authority so he could claim a win over
> cc), a poster who knows the topic cut right to the chase:
>
> --
> "I gather there are two questions here:
>
> 1) Is the trendline approriately fitted to that data?
>
> 2) Is the trendline useful in some way? "
> --
>
> 1) Is the trendline approriately fitted to that data?
>
> 2) Is the trendline useful in some way? "
>
> Snit's outrageous reply is the funniest thing I've seen on usenet in a
> long time:
>
> --
> "Not quite: the question was merely if the process of creating the
> trend line was correct - did it follow the process of creating a
> linear trend line that is supported by the build in "linear trend
> line" properties of the program."
> --
> trend line was correct - did it follow the process of creating a
> linear trend line that is supported by the build in "linear trend
> line" properties of the program."
>
> In other words, Snit knew he couldn't bullsh*t this guy so he had to
> say "Not quite" to the two main reasons for even creating a trend line
> in the first place! And the reason he gave is equally as funny... he
> wanted to "merely" know if his "process" in Excel was "correct" for
> creating the trend line. Naturally, when you create a trend line you
> have *some* goals in mind... the goals the poster stated. You can't
> even talk about the process used to create the trend line until you
> know what the goals for creating it are. This is just common sense of
> which Snit obviously has none of... as he tossed those goals aside in
> an effort to prove he was "right". Too funny ;)
>
> This pathetically cross-posted thread only got created because Snit
> dumped the idea of using people who are good at math because they
> exposed him. Now he's appealing to people who have used the trend line
> function in Excel and is, like the post I just showed you, completely
> dumping the reason for creating it altogether in the hopes of saving
> face. You'll notice that he is not pointing out how his goal for
> creating the trend line is *not* to see if it will be "approriately
> fitted to that data" or be "useful in some way" (a thing any sane
> person would assume). Gee, do you think he would have received a
> different answer had he made that clear? LOL!
Snit made the claim that he created a linear trendline and did so
correctly. I would love to see where you think Snit said the 2011
trend would continue into 2012, unchanged.
His 2011 trendline fit his claims well. His 2012 tendline did not. You
say that others "exposed him" on this but he never claimed otherwise.
You are just throwing a toddler tantrum because Snit was proved right
by people who know a lot more than you.
For the last decade or so you have been following him around lying
about him because your girlfriend dumped your lying ass and you blamed
him. Poor Steve dumped by an insane bitch and unable to get over it.
Yes Steve the woman who dumped your lying ass was insane and evil. If
you had half a brain you would be celebrating that she left you and
not crying about it into the next decade.
Onion Knight
Jun 15, 2012, 11:05:22 PM6/15/12
to
On Jun 16, 12:18 am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 6/15/12 5:11 PM, in article 1p6fptvt16m75$.1q5k0ny9zl6gb....@40tude.net,
> reason there is *no* support for his accusation... and a reason he is making
> the accusation is clear: in addition to his paranoia, he is wanting to
> change the topic from the fact I was right and he and cc were wrong.
>
> But this is the last I will say on the subject unless there is something new
> added to the subject... you know, like reason or logic or evidence or
> something of value that would deserve a refutation. Until then it is just
> Carroll screaming how Onion Knight and Kaba are both my socks for no reason
> other than the fact they are, at least mostly, right.
mode. You and I and anyone else who notes what a lying ass he is will
all be seen as the same person. This has been his MO for a decade or
more. He is fucking insane.
> On 6/15/12 5:11 PM, in article 1p6fptvt16m75$.1q5k0ny9zl6gb....@40tude.net,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Foster" <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:47:40 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
> >> On 6/15/12 3:44 PM, in article 1smpndcpf81js.tavjpchxlzrh$....@40tude.net,
> >> "Foster" <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Foster" <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:47:40 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
> >> On 6/15/12 3:44 PM, in article 1smpndcpf81js.tavjpchxlzrh$....@40tude.net,
> >> "Foster" <frankfoste...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I agree.
> >>> Too many coincidences.
>
> >>> I think the other person who came out of the blue is a sock as well.
>
> >>> P.S. I fixed your reply to alt.test back to COLA as well.
>
> >> First: I do not use socks. I
>
> > I really don't want to get involved but all I will say is it looks
> > bad from my perspective.
> > End of it.
> > I'm out of the thread.
>
> Again: Carroll is lying when he claims Onion Knight is my sock. There is a
> >>> Too many coincidences.
>
> >>> I think the other person who came out of the blue is a sock as well.
>
> >>> P.S. I fixed your reply to alt.test back to COLA as well.
>
> >> First: I do not use socks. I
>
> > I really don't want to get involved but all I will say is it looks
> > bad from my perspective.
> > End of it.
> > I'm out of the thread.
>
> reason there is *no* support for his accusation... and a reason he is making
> the accusation is clear: in addition to his paranoia, he is wanting to
> change the topic from the fact I was right and he and cc were wrong.
>
> But this is the last I will say on the subject unless there is something new
> added to the subject... you know, like reason or logic or evidence or
> something of value that would deserve a refutation. Until then it is just
> Carroll screaming how Onion Knight and Kaba are both my socks for no reason
> other than the fact they are, at least mostly, right.
>
> --
> The indisputable facts about that absurd debate: <http://goo.gl/2337P>
> cc being proved wrong about his stats BS: <http://goo.gl/1aYrP>
> 7 simple questions cc will *never* answer: <http://goo.gl/cNBzu>
> cc again pretends to be knowledgeable about things he is clueless about.
Steve knows he has been proved wrong so he is now in major attack
> --
> The indisputable facts about that absurd debate: <http://goo.gl/2337P>
> cc being proved wrong about his stats BS: <http://goo.gl/1aYrP>
> 7 simple questions cc will *never* answer: <http://goo.gl/cNBzu>
> cc again pretends to be knowledgeable about things he is clueless about.
mode. You and I and anyone else who notes what a lying ass he is will
all be seen as the same person. This has been his MO for a decade or
more. He is fucking insane.
Onion Knight
Jun 15, 2012, 11:03:57 PM6/15/12
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On Jun 16, 12:45 am, Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 6/15/12 4:22 PM, in article jrgg4u$to...@dont-email.me, "joeu2004"
>
> <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
> > might be derived, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_linear_regression.
Funny how while Steve is throwing a toddler tantrum we have not as of
yet heard from cc. I wonder how big of a fit he will throw. All I know
is it is almost sure to be a good show. Goin' off to grab me a beer
and a big ass bag of popcorn.
> On 6/15/12 4:22 PM, in article jrgg4u$to...@dont-email.me, "joeu2004"
>
> <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
yet heard from cc. I wonder how big of a fit he will throw. All I know
is it is almost sure to be a good show. Goin' off to grab me a beer
and a big ass bag of popcorn.
Snit
Jun 15, 2012, 11:21:55 PM6/15/12
to
On 6/15/12 8:01 PM, in article
1f4b3939-e1bd-48dd...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, "Onion
*might* stagnate. I did not predict its significant decline.
So for 2011 I was right about my prediction. It would be an interesting
discussion to look into why things changed and I was wrong about the 2012
trend. If Steve and cc wanted to attack me for being wrong, *this* would be
the place to do so because this is the place where I was *actually* wrong.
But they are too lost in what was being discussed to figure this out (even
though I told them). And, of course, they will never admit I was right
about the my method of creating a linear trend line, nor admit I was right
about the sigma line being drawn at the distance from the mean to the
inflection point, nor admit that the examples of poorly depicted sigma lines
were in fact poorly depicted, nor will they admit that I was right to note
that the R^2 value does *not* indicate if the *process* of creating a trend
line is correct or not, etc. cc argued against me on all of these points
and he was wrong. And Steve backed cc because of his illness. And Steve
added his own lunacy in claiming that the purpose of looking at the trend
for one time period necessitates that one expects that trend to continue.
This is even more insane when one considers the linear nature of the trend
line... it is not as a percentage growth rate can continue "into infinity"
as he said. If it did, sometime in the next 100 years the total of Linux
usage would be *greater* than 100%. Maybe someday if Carroll is not being
an ass to me I will explain why this is not a likely scenario. :)
> His 2011 trendline fit his claims well. His 2012 tendline did not. You
> say that others "exposed him" on this but he never claimed otherwise.
Absolutely correct. I have been clear from the start that the 2012 data did
not fit my prediction.
> You are just throwing a toddler tantrum because Snit was proved right
> by people who know a lot more than you.
Carroll has had a number of very public bread-downs where he starts accusing
multiple people of being my socks (while at the same time he runs from
answering names he has used), threatens to contact my family and employer,
falsely accuses me of sexually harassing either himself or his
ex-girlfriend, and otherwise just freaks out. He then goes away for a
while, claiming to he has "found a life"... and comes back for another
round.
And this is all without me directly replying to him. Just amazing how
messed up he is.
> For the last decade or so you have been following him around lying
> about him because your girlfriend dumped your lying ass and you blamed
> him. Poor Steve dumped by an insane bitch and unable to get over it.
> Yes Steve the woman who dumped your lying ass was insane and evil. If
> you had half a brain you would be celebrating that she left you and
> not crying about it into the next decade.
Absolutely correct and very well stated.
1f4b3939-e1bd-48dd...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This pathetically cross-posted thread only got created because Snit
>> dumped the idea of using people who are good at math because they
>> exposed him. Now he's appealing to people who have used the trend line
>> function in Excel and is, like the post I just showed you, completely
>> dumping the reason for creating it altogether in the hopes of saving
>> face. You'll notice that he is not pointing out how his goal for
>> creating the trend line is *not* to see if it will be "approriately
>> fitted to that data" or be "useful in some way" (a thing any sane
>> person would assume). Gee, do you think he would have received a
>> different answer had he made that clear? LOL!
>
> Snit made the claim that he created a linear trendline and did so
> correctly. I would love to see where you think Snit said the 2011
> trend would continue into 2012, unchanged.
I never did... though I said it *might* continue its upward trend or it
>> This pathetically cross-posted thread only got created because Snit
>> dumped the idea of using people who are good at math because they
>> exposed him. Now he's appealing to people who have used the trend line
>> function in Excel and is, like the post I just showed you, completely
>> dumping the reason for creating it altogether in the hopes of saving
>> face. You'll notice that he is not pointing out how his goal for
>> creating the trend line is *not* to see if it will be "approriately
>> fitted to that data" or be "useful in some way" (a thing any sane
>> person would assume). Gee, do you think he would have received a
>> different answer had he made that clear? LOL!
>
> Snit made the claim that he created a linear trendline and did so
> correctly. I would love to see where you think Snit said the 2011
> trend would continue into 2012, unchanged.
*might* stagnate. I did not predict its significant decline.
So for 2011 I was right about my prediction. It would be an interesting
discussion to look into why things changed and I was wrong about the 2012
trend. If Steve and cc wanted to attack me for being wrong, *this* would be
the place to do so because this is the place where I was *actually* wrong.
But they are too lost in what was being discussed to figure this out (even
though I told them). And, of course, they will never admit I was right
about the my method of creating a linear trend line, nor admit I was right
about the sigma line being drawn at the distance from the mean to the
inflection point, nor admit that the examples of poorly depicted sigma lines
were in fact poorly depicted, nor will they admit that I was right to note
that the R^2 value does *not* indicate if the *process* of creating a trend
line is correct or not, etc. cc argued against me on all of these points
and he was wrong. And Steve backed cc because of his illness. And Steve
added his own lunacy in claiming that the purpose of looking at the trend
for one time period necessitates that one expects that trend to continue.
This is even more insane when one considers the linear nature of the trend
line... it is not as a percentage growth rate can continue "into infinity"
as he said. If it did, sometime in the next 100 years the total of Linux
usage would be *greater* than 100%. Maybe someday if Carroll is not being
an ass to me I will explain why this is not a likely scenario. :)
> His 2011 trendline fit his claims well. His 2012 tendline did not. You
> say that others "exposed him" on this but he never claimed otherwise.
not fit my prediction.
> You are just throwing a toddler tantrum because Snit was proved right
> by people who know a lot more than you.
multiple people of being my socks (while at the same time he runs from
answering names he has used), threatens to contact my family and employer,
falsely accuses me of sexually harassing either himself or his
ex-girlfriend, and otherwise just freaks out. He then goes away for a
while, claiming to he has "found a life"... and comes back for another
round.
And this is all without me directly replying to him. Just amazing how
messed up he is.
> For the last decade or so you have been following him around lying
> about him because your girlfriend dumped your lying ass and you blamed
> him. Poor Steve dumped by an insane bitch and unable to get over it.
> Yes Steve the woman who dumped your lying ass was insane and evil. If
> you had half a brain you would be celebrating that she left you and
> not crying about it into the next decade.
Snit
Jun 16, 2012, 12:06:56 AM6/16/12
to
On 6/15/12 7:54 PM, in article
b7bd335e-2fe4-4ab2...@5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com, "Onion
at once he was claiming were me. He is obsessed with me. It is whacky.
> This matter is settled. Snit was right to say his process was fine
> and cc and Carroll who argued against him were wrong. Snit's linear
> trendline was created without flaw. This was obvious from the start
> but it is good to get a more educated and impartial stating of it. Fun
> to watch Steve crumble as he reads it too.
Agreed. Now let's let it drop - at least from the non-COLA groups. And,
really, even from the COLA groups.
Carroll and cc will run around making up stories about how people from all
groups on Usenet are me and will insist that these folks who know more than
they do are just wrong or missing the point or will hunt for some point to
nit pick. Meanwhile the facts will remain the same:
* My process for creating trend lines in Excel was correct.
* My prediction of an increase in usage of Linux was correct for 2011
* My prediction of Linux usage staying at that level or increasing
in 2012 has turned out to *not* be correct.
And with all the other stuff about sigma lines and incorrect depictions and
yada yada yada I was right and they were simply trolling me.
And it is easy to predict their trolling will only increase now that others
have commented on these matters. Their frenzy will be a sight to behold.
b7bd335e-2fe4-4ab2...@5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 11:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
>> "Onion Knight" <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
>>> to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
>>> kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
>>> method
>>> http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
>> [....]
>>> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
>>> linear trend line?
>>
>> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
>> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
>> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>>
>> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
>> without getting into anything so esoteric.
>>
>> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
>
> Thank you for your posting of this educated opinion, even though it
> broke Steve. He is now running around screaming about how I and
> anyone else who agreed with Snit on this must be Snit's sock puppets.
> Give it a little time and he will insist you must be Snit as well.
I wonder what his max has been? I am sure it has been at least three people
> On Jun 15, 11:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
>> "Onion Knight" <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way
>>> to create a linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum
>>> kindly made a video to show what he thought was the correct
>>> method
>>> http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
>> [....]
>>> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a
>>> linear trend line?
>>
>> I cannot find the original debate in comp.os.linux.advocacy (COLA); just the
>> thread titled "Visualizing where to draw the standard deviation line", which
>> refers to yet-another "a debate in COLA".
>>
>> No matter; I'm not interested. I think we can answer your Excel questions
>> without getting into anything so esoteric.
>>
>> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
>
> Thank you for your posting of this educated opinion, even though it
> broke Steve. He is now running around screaming about how I and
> anyone else who agreed with Snit on this must be Snit's sock puppets.
> Give it a little time and he will insist you must be Snit as well.
at once he was claiming were me. He is obsessed with me. It is whacky.
> This matter is settled. Snit was right to say his process was fine
> and cc and Carroll who argued against him were wrong. Snit's linear
> trendline was created without flaw. This was obvious from the start
> but it is good to get a more educated and impartial stating of it. Fun
> to watch Steve crumble as he reads it too.
really, even from the COLA groups.
Carroll and cc will run around making up stories about how people from all
groups on Usenet are me and will insist that these folks who know more than
they do are just wrong or missing the point or will hunt for some point to
nit pick. Meanwhile the facts will remain the same:
* My process for creating trend lines in Excel was correct.
* My prediction of an increase in usage of Linux was correct for 2011
* My prediction of Linux usage staying at that level or increasing
in 2012 has turned out to *not* be correct.
And with all the other stuff about sigma lines and incorrect depictions and
yada yada yada I was right and they were simply trolling me.
And it is easy to predict their trolling will only increase now that others
have commented on these matters. Their frenzy will be a sight to behold.
Snit
Jun 16, 2012, 12:11:13 AM6/16/12
to
On 6/15/12 8:03 PM, in article
f5f6f483-8e73-47d1...@s9g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, "Onion
clearly wrong. Never. He will throw fits and change topics, he will call
me names, he will forge quotes and falsely attribute them to me and to
others, he will insist he is right, he will dodge and dance and play games
to the end of time.
But he will never, ever, under any circumstance admit what has been clear
for a long time but now has even more backing - the above depictions of
sigma lines are *wrong*. And he will never admit he was ignorant of the
sigma lines being correctly depicted at the inflection points. Never. Poor
cc... he is completely predictable in his inability to admit to his own
mistakes.
And Carroll will be right their backing cc's every lie.
I think I will share some of that popcorn with you and watch their show.
f5f6f483-8e73-47d1...@s9g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, "Onion
> Funny how while Steve is throwing a toddler tantrum we have not as of
> yet heard from cc. I wonder how big of a fit he will throw. All I know
> is it is almost sure to be a good show. Goin' off to grab me a beer
> and a big ass bag of popcorn.
Prediction: cc will *never* admit the depictions I linked to above are
> yet heard from cc. I wonder how big of a fit he will throw. All I know
> is it is almost sure to be a good show. Goin' off to grab me a beer
> and a big ass bag of popcorn.
clearly wrong. Never. He will throw fits and change topics, he will call
me names, he will forge quotes and falsely attribute them to me and to
others, he will insist he is right, he will dodge and dance and play games
to the end of time.
But he will never, ever, under any circumstance admit what has been clear
for a long time but now has even more backing - the above depictions of
sigma lines are *wrong*. And he will never admit he was ignorant of the
sigma lines being correctly depicted at the inflection points. Never. Poor
cc... he is completely predictable in his inability to admit to his own
mistakes.
And Carroll will be right their backing cc's every lie.
I think I will share some of that popcorn with you and watch their show.
Snit
Jun 16, 2012, 12:12:01 AM6/16/12
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On 6/15/12 8:05 PM, in article
581c3dd0-9209-4d14...@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, "Onion
not yet figured it out? :)
581c3dd0-9209-4d14...@a16g2000vby.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I really don't want to get involved but all I will say is it looks
>>> bad from my perspective.
>>> End of it.
>>> I'm out of the thread.
>>
>> Again: Carroll is lying when he claims Onion Knight is my sock. There is a
>> reason there is *no* support for his accusation... and a reason he is making
>> the accusation is clear: in addition to his paranoia, he is wanting to
>> change the topic from the fact I was right and he and cc were wrong.
>>
>> But this is the last I will say on the subject unless there is something new
>> added to the subject... you know, like reason or logic or evidence or
>> something of value that would deserve a refutation. Until then it is just
>> Carroll screaming how Onion Knight and Kaba are both my socks for no reason
>> other than the fact they are, at least mostly, right.
>
>>> I really don't want to get involved but all I will say is it looks
>>> bad from my perspective.
>>> End of it.
>>> I'm out of the thread.
>>
>> Again: Carroll is lying when he claims Onion Knight is my sock. There is a
>> reason there is *no* support for his accusation... and a reason he is making
>> the accusation is clear: in addition to his paranoia, he is wanting to
>> change the topic from the fact I was right and he and cc were wrong.
>>
>> But this is the last I will say on the subject unless there is something new
>> added to the subject... you know, like reason or logic or evidence or
>> something of value that would deserve a refutation. Until then it is just
>> Carroll screaming how Onion Knight and Kaba are both my socks for no reason
>> other than the fact they are, at least mostly, right.
>
> Steve knows he has been proved wrong so he is now in major attack
> mode. You and I and anyone else who notes what a lying ass he is will
> all be seen as the same person. This has been his MO for a decade or
> more. He is fucking insane.
What if Steve is right and everyone on the Internet is me... and I just have
> mode. You and I and anyone else who notes what a lying ass he is will
> all be seen as the same person. This has been his MO for a decade or
> more. He is fucking insane.
not yet figured it out? :)
Martin Brown
Jun 17, 2012, 3:57:14 AM6/17/12
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where the graph regression function was wrecked to make it agree with
another well known products answers) the linear regression on XL charts
uses a well designed algorithm that gives a very good approximation to
the true least squares parameter fit to data. LINEST is demonstrably
numerically unstable although it requires at least a 3rd order
polynomial fit and moderately hostile data to break it. Examples have
been posted here or in another m.p.e group previously.
(some years back)
For linear fits the two are more or less interchangable but for higher
orders of polynomial the chart function fit is more accurate.
>
> For some insight into how the Excel LINEST and linear trendline
> coefficients might be derived, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_linear_regression.
>
> Note that =COVAR(A1:A24,B1:B24)/VARP(A1:A24) in E3 and
> =AVERAGE(B1:B24)-E3*AVERAGE(A1:A24) are about the same as the LINEST
> results. The difference is in the 3 least-significant binary bits of the
> floating-point representations in this case.
>
> You might also take note of the wiki page section titled "Normality
> assumption". That may or may not be relevant to the COLA debates.
What is COLA?
> For some insight into how the Excel LINEST and linear trendline
> coefficients might be derived, see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_linear_regression.
>
> Note that =COVAR(A1:A24,B1:B24)/VARP(A1:A24) in E3 and
> =AVERAGE(B1:B24)-E3*AVERAGE(A1:A24) are about the same as the LINEST
> results. The difference is in the 3 least-significant binary bits of the
> floating-point representations in this case.
>
> You might also take note of the wiki page section titled "Normality
> assumption". That may or may not be relevant to the COLA debates.
--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Steve Carroll
Jun 17, 2012, 12:18:58 PM6/17/12
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On Jun 17, 1:57 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam...@nezumi.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
The newsgroup where the troll Snit and his sock puppet Onion Knight
are lying and trolling with this topic.
wrote:
are lying and trolling with this topic.
Onion Knight
Jun 17, 2012, 1:23:06 PM6/17/12
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How many?
Can you even list them all? No. You can't. You think everyone is
like you and is using socks.
As far as trolling that is you. Snit noted he created a linear
trendline correctly using a process exactly as Microsoft describes. He
proved this with a video where he showed his process and it was
exactly correct. Your sock puppet CC claimed Snit missed steps and you
agreed wit your sock puppet. What a surprise.
While I have not been on usenet for a long time I used to post to the
mac advocacy group years ago under a different name. Even then you
were using several sock puppets to troll Snit because you blamed him
for your girlfriend dumping you. That was about 10 years ago and you
have never stopped attacking him and lying about him.
When I came in to say Snit was right about his method of making a
linear trendline in Excel you attacked me both in usenet and by
emailing me repeatedly until I forwarded your emails to your ISP and
then you stopped.
On the original debate you can see the answer above by joeu2004, 'I
see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using
Excel.' You and your sock puppet were wrong. Snit did not skip steps
as you claimed. That was all this thread was about and you turned it
into another of your avenues of attack and trolling because you could
not handle the fact you were proved wrong in both your Steve name and
your sock CC name.
In short: go fuck yourself you trolling asshole.
Steve Carroll
Jun 17, 2012, 4:02:45 PM6/17/12
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Hint: People just aren't as stupid as you need them to be.
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6e8fd0b61d327d78
(snip more lies/trolling)
Snit
Jun 17, 2012, 6:09:30 PM6/17/12
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On 6/17/12 10:23 AM, in article
325bddd0-7f9a-4248...@v9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
others of being my socks (though he has no evidence for his accusations).
At the same time, when asked about his socks he runs.
Again: I am not like Carroll and do not use armies of socks.
> How many?
Carroll has clearly lost track.
> Can you even list them all? No. You can't. You think everyone is
> like you and is using socks.
Exactly correct. But for the sake of this cross group thread, the *only*
question that is relevant is not who did what or who is good or bad or
whatever. The question is about if my process for creating linear trend
lines in Excel (and Numbers) is correct. The process. That is it... was
the process correct as I said or was it "missing steps" as they claimed?
Here is the process:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov>
And using the same process, here are some of the linear trend lines that
were created:
For the latter half of 2011:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrend2011-2ndhalf.png>
This supported my view that Linux usage would be increasing. I never
predicted that the trend would necessarily continue - though I did believe
the usage would continue to move up at *some* level or stay at least roughly
consistent (it would not have a strong drop).
But here is the linear trend line for the first part of 2012:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendLine2012.jpg>
An this went contrary to my prediction... but the trend line that went
contrary to my predictions (showing my prediction to be wrong) was generated
just fine - there are no "missing steps" in the process.
Back to the debate about the process - it was also claimed (by cc, with
Carroll backing his trolling), that the way he could tell I was "missing
steps" was the low R^2 value. But the R^2 value does not show if the
process is missing steps or not... notice with the latter half of 2011 my
R^2 value is very high at over 0.98% ... but using the same process I made a
number of graphs and the R^2 values are sometimes high and sometimes low:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxMultLinearTrendLines.png>.
I did note that a linear trend line is not the best tool to analyze
non-linear data - and, it appears, the data is not linear... there was a
significant change at the start of 2012. So nobody is claiming that the
linear trend lines Excel and Numbers make are always the best for of
evaluation, and *certainly* nobody said that the trend lines I was creating
would be of great value for predicting the future... they were being used to
see if the predictions I had already made were proving to be true. For 2011
they did... for 2012 they did not.
This, of course, does not prove that the reasoning behind my predictions was
true or not - even if the data had fit my predictions perfectly (which, as
noted, it did not). It was never claimed that such tools prove any believe
in causation... but cc and Carroll repeatedly confused the concepts of the
lines *correlating* (or not) with the predictions and being a tool to prove
*causation*. They proved, repeatedly, they could not understand the
difference in these concepts.
> While I have not been on usenet for a long time I used to post to the
> mac advocacy group years ago under a different name. Even then you
> were using several sock puppets to troll Snit because you blamed him
> for your girlfriend dumping you. That was about 10 years ago and you
> have never stopped attacking him and lying about him.
Correct though irrelevant to the thread (though I see why you were speaking
of this - to counter Steve's lies and help others understand why he is lying
and lashing out).
...
325bddd0-7f9a-4248...@v9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>>>> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
...
>>> What is COLA?
>>
>> The newsgroup where the troll Snit and his sock puppet Onion Knight
>> are lying and trolling with this topic.
>
> What names have you used on Usenet, Steve?
Steve will *never* answer this question. He accuses you and many, many
>>
>> The newsgroup where the troll Snit and his sock puppet Onion Knight
>> are lying and trolling with this topic.
>
> What names have you used on Usenet, Steve?
others of being my socks (though he has no evidence for his accusations).
At the same time, when asked about his socks he runs.
Again: I am not like Carroll and do not use armies of socks.
> How many?
Carroll has clearly lost track.
> Can you even list them all? No. You can't. You think everyone is
> like you and is using socks.
question that is relevant is not who did what or who is good or bad or
whatever. The question is about if my process for creating linear trend
lines in Excel (and Numbers) is correct. The process. That is it... was
the process correct as I said or was it "missing steps" as they claimed?
Here is the process:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov>
And using the same process, here are some of the linear trend lines that
were created:
For the latter half of 2011:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrend2011-2ndhalf.png>
This supported my view that Linux usage would be increasing. I never
predicted that the trend would necessarily continue - though I did believe
the usage would continue to move up at *some* level or stay at least roughly
consistent (it would not have a strong drop).
But here is the linear trend line for the first part of 2012:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendLine2012.jpg>
An this went contrary to my prediction... but the trend line that went
contrary to my predictions (showing my prediction to be wrong) was generated
just fine - there are no "missing steps" in the process.
Back to the debate about the process - it was also claimed (by cc, with
Carroll backing his trolling), that the way he could tell I was "missing
steps" was the low R^2 value. But the R^2 value does not show if the
process is missing steps or not... notice with the latter half of 2011 my
R^2 value is very high at over 0.98% ... but using the same process I made a
number of graphs and the R^2 values are sometimes high and sometimes low:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxMultLinearTrendLines.png>.
I did note that a linear trend line is not the best tool to analyze
non-linear data - and, it appears, the data is not linear... there was a
significant change at the start of 2012. So nobody is claiming that the
linear trend lines Excel and Numbers make are always the best for of
evaluation, and *certainly* nobody said that the trend lines I was creating
would be of great value for predicting the future... they were being used to
see if the predictions I had already made were proving to be true. For 2011
they did... for 2012 they did not.
This, of course, does not prove that the reasoning behind my predictions was
true or not - even if the data had fit my predictions perfectly (which, as
noted, it did not). It was never claimed that such tools prove any believe
in causation... but cc and Carroll repeatedly confused the concepts of the
lines *correlating* (or not) with the predictions and being a tool to prove
*causation*. They proved, repeatedly, they could not understand the
difference in these concepts.
> While I have not been on usenet for a long time I used to post to the
> mac advocacy group years ago under a different name. Even then you
> were using several sock puppets to troll Snit because you blamed him
> for your girlfriend dumping you. That was about 10 years ago and you
> have never stopped attacking him and lying about him.
of this - to counter Steve's lies and help others understand why he is lying
and lashing out).
...
Steve Carroll
Jun 18, 2012, 3:09:21 PM6/18/12
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before he realized his stepped on his d*ck:
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/edd65e9dcec15bd2
Onion Knight
Jun 19, 2012, 12:16:30 AM6/19/12
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> before he realized his stepped on his d*ck:
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/edd65e9dce...
>
Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
any place he did not point out.
Onion Knight
Jun 19, 2012, 12:29:26 AM6/19/12
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On Jun 15, 9:16 pm, Onion Knight <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way to create a
> linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum kindly made a video to
> show what he thought was the correct methodhttp://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinearTrendLineCreation.mov
> There has been some debate in COLA as to the correct way to create a
> linear trendline in Excel. Someone in the forum kindly made a video to
>
> A couple of other people in the group say that the video skips a
> number of steps but when I look at the directions from Microsoft I do
> not see any they could be referring to.
>
> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a linear trend
> line? I admit this is a bit over my head so any input would be welcome.
Thank you to all who responded. The answer is now clear and Snit made
> A couple of other people in the group say that the video skips a
> number of steps but when I look at the directions from Microsoft I do
> not see any they could be referring to.
>
> Does anyone see any missing steps for the creation of a linear trend
> line? I admit this is a bit over my head so any input would be welcome.
his trend lines correctly. They showed an increase in Linux usage in
2011 and a decrease in 2012. CC has now admitted his process was so
fucked up he could not even see the change in the trend and thought
the data was at flaw when it was his own process.
Onion Knight
Jun 19, 2012, 12:33:12 AM6/19/12
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On Jun 15, 11:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
Thank you for your assistance. CC has since admitted that he fucked up
his process and thought the data that showed the change in trends from
2011 to 2012 was bad data. He has now admitted he can't show this and
that Snit was right.
Your input was helpful in leading CC to this obvious conclusion.
Meanwhile Steve is using a so many socks he has admitted he can't list
them all. Turns out both pretty much knew they were talking out their
asses and that Snit was right all along.
Snit
Jun 19, 2012, 2:19:49 AM6/19/12
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On 6/18/12 9:33 PM, in article
c087208f-be82-4564...@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Onion
somehow wrong (could not be his model, of course), but he never came right
out and admitted the obvious - he screwed up. He also never decided if he
agreed with me about the downward trend or thought the usage was always at
1%:
cc #1:
-----
It will be 1%. Same as it ever was.
-----
cc #2:
-----
Linux has been on a significant downward trend since then.
-----
And if you look at January and then look at now, then there
is a downward trend.
-----
He will not admit he is wrong no matter how contradictory and erroneous his
claims are. The facts are:
1) cc was wrong to say I missed steps in the creation of a linear trend line
in Excel. I did no such thing.
2) cc was wrong to claim the incorrect depictions I showed him of sigma
lines were, in fact, incorrect. But they were.
3) cc was wrong to say I was pushing the correlations I noted as being proof
of the causation I had spoken of earlier. I did no such thing.
4) cc was wrong to deny the fact that on a depiction of a normal
distribution you can visually see where the sigma lines should be drawn
based on the distance from the mean (specifically, the distance from the
mean to the inflection points).
5) cc was wrong to deny I showed an upward trend in Linux usage, based on
the data we were both using. The upward trend was in the latter half of
2011: <http://goo.gl/NhFuK>.
There is no reasoned debate about any of these facts.
> Your input was helpful in leading CC to this obvious conclusion.
> Meanwhile Steve is using a so many socks he has admitted he can't list
> them all. Turns out both pretty much knew they were talking out their
> asses and that Snit was right all along.
Yup. But interesting to watch the two of them stumble over themselves and
each other to try to "prove" this wrong... without ever being able to do so.
c087208f-be82-4564...@cu1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 11:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
>
>> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
>
> Thank you for your assistance. CC has since admitted that he fucked up
> his process and thought the data that showed the change in trends from
> 2011 to 2012 was bad data. He has now admitted he can't show this and
> that Snit was right.
Now now... cc admitted he did not see the trend and insisted the data was
> On Jun 15, 11:22 pm, "joeu2004" <joeu2...@foo.bar> wrote:
>
>> I see no missing steps in creating the linear trendline per se using Excel.
>
> Thank you for your assistance. CC has since admitted that he fucked up
> his process and thought the data that showed the change in trends from
> 2011 to 2012 was bad data. He has now admitted he can't show this and
> that Snit was right.
somehow wrong (could not be his model, of course), but he never came right
out and admitted the obvious - he screwed up. He also never decided if he
agreed with me about the downward trend or thought the usage was always at
1%:
cc #1:
-----
It will be 1%. Same as it ever was.
-----
cc #2:
-----
Linux has been on a significant downward trend since then.
-----
And if you look at January and then look at now, then there
is a downward trend.
-----
He will not admit he is wrong no matter how contradictory and erroneous his
claims are. The facts are:
1) cc was wrong to say I missed steps in the creation of a linear trend line
in Excel. I did no such thing.
2) cc was wrong to claim the incorrect depictions I showed him of sigma
lines were, in fact, incorrect. But they were.
3) cc was wrong to say I was pushing the correlations I noted as being proof
of the causation I had spoken of earlier. I did no such thing.
4) cc was wrong to deny the fact that on a depiction of a normal
distribution you can visually see where the sigma lines should be drawn
based on the distance from the mean (specifically, the distance from the
mean to the inflection points).
5) cc was wrong to deny I showed an upward trend in Linux usage, based on
the data we were both using. The upward trend was in the latter half of
2011: <http://goo.gl/NhFuK>.
There is no reasoned debate about any of these facts.
> Your input was helpful in leading CC to this obvious conclusion.
> Meanwhile Steve is using a so many socks he has admitted he can't list
> them all. Turns out both pretty much knew they were talking out their
> asses and that Snit was right all along.
each other to try to "prove" this wrong... without ever being able to do so.
Snit
Jun 19, 2012, 2:16:55 AM6/19/12
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On 6/18/12 9:29 PM, in article
0c0f10cd-e98c-4a52...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Exactly correct: cc ending up claiming the data he asked us to use was wrong
and admitted he missed the trends I was able to show. He incorrectly
thought that his ability to get a higher R^2 value somehow proved that some
of the data points were wrong... he could not accept that the trend changed,
even though it was easy to see it did:
Second half of 2011 - clearly trending up:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrend2011-2ndhalf.png>
First half of 2012 - clearly trending down:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendLine2012.jpg>
cc screwed up his analysis and missed this... though he was also
inconsistent with his claims about this:
cc #1:
-----
It will be 1%. Same as it ever was.
-----
cc #2:
-----
Linux has been on a significant downward trend since then.
-----
And if you look at January and then look at now, then there
is a downward trend.
-----
It is not possible for both of his claims to be correct, of course.
0c0f10cd-e98c-4a52...@8g2000vbu.googlegroups.com, "Onion
and admitted he missed the trends I was able to show. He incorrectly
thought that his ability to get a higher R^2 value somehow proved that some
of the data points were wrong... he could not accept that the trend changed,
even though it was easy to see it did:
Second half of 2011 - clearly trending up:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrend2011-2ndhalf.png>
First half of 2012 - clearly trending down:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendLine2012.jpg>
cc screwed up his analysis and missed this... though he was also
inconsistent with his claims about this:
cc #1:
-----
It will be 1%. Same as it ever was.
-----
cc #2:
-----
Linux has been on a significant downward trend since then.
-----
And if you look at January and then look at now, then there
is a downward trend.
-----
Snit
Jun 19, 2012, 2:03:05 AM6/19/12
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On 6/18/12 9:16 PM, in article
67a99fdd-89ec-41b9...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, "Onion
1) cc was wrong to say I missed steps in the creation of a linear trend line
in Excel. I did no such thing.
2) cc was wrong to claim the incorrect depictions I showed him of sigma
lines were, in fact, incorrect. But they were.
3) cc was wrong to say I was pushing the correlations I noted as being proof
of the causation I had spoken of earlier. I did no such thing.
4) cc was wrong to deny the fact that on a depiction of a normal
distribution you can visually see where the sigma lines should be drawn
based on the distance from the mean (specifically, the distance from the
mean to the inflection points).
5) cc was wrong to deny I showed an upward trend in Linux usage, based on
the data we were both using. The upward trend was in the latter half of
2011: <http://goo.gl/NhFuK>.
There is no reasoned debate about any of these facts... but Carroll and cc
cannot just let it go and will never admit to their errors.
67a99fdd-89ec-41b9...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Knight" <onionkn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The tantrum is allSnit's... here is what he was originally arguing
>> before he realized his stepped on his d*ck:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/edd65e9dce...
>
> Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
> any place he did not point out.
I have repeatedly proved Carroll and his sock cc wrong:
>> The tantrum is allSnit's... here is what he was originally arguing
>> before he realized his stepped on his d*ck:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/edd65e9dce...
>
> Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
> any place he did not point out.
1) cc was wrong to say I missed steps in the creation of a linear trend line
in Excel. I did no such thing.
2) cc was wrong to claim the incorrect depictions I showed him of sigma
lines were, in fact, incorrect. But they were.
3) cc was wrong to say I was pushing the correlations I noted as being proof
of the causation I had spoken of earlier. I did no such thing.
4) cc was wrong to deny the fact that on a depiction of a normal
distribution you can visually see where the sigma lines should be drawn
based on the distance from the mean (specifically, the distance from the
mean to the inflection points).
5) cc was wrong to deny I showed an upward trend in Linux usage, based on
the data we were both using. The upward trend was in the latter half of
2011: <http://goo.gl/NhFuK>.
cannot just let it go and will never admit to their errors.
Steve Carroll
Jun 19, 2012, 12:17:58 PM6/19/12
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> 67a99fdd-89ec-41b9-8db0-5b8927bf6...@q2g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, "Onion
Reality shows that Snit you sought outside help and a poster named
kaba responded with:
"I gather there are two questions here:
1) Is the trendline approriately fitted to that data?
2) Is the trendline useful in some way? " - kaba
Logical questions by kaba... and, of course, they highlight the 2 most
important reasons for even bothering to create a trend line at all.
Snit then dishonestly changed his claimed reason for creating his
trend line to a ridiculous reason:
"Not quite: the question was merely if the process of creating the
trend line was correct - did it follow the process of creating a
linear trend line that is supported by the build in "linear trend
line" properties of the program." - Snit
Anyone can see that when Snit abandoned the statistical goals for his
trend line he effectively killed his statistical argument.
>
> Knight" <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The tantrum is allSnit's... here is what he was originally arguing
> >> before he realized his stepped on his d*ck:
>
> >>https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/edd65e9dce...
>
> > Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
> > any place he did not point out.
>
> I have repeatedly proved
Nothing.
> Knight" <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The tantrum is allSnit's... here is what he was originally arguing
> >> before he realized his stepped on his d*ck:
>
> >>https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/edd65e9dce...
>
> > Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
> > any place he did not point out.
>
> I have repeatedly proved
Reality shows that Snit you sought outside help and a poster named
kaba responded with:
"I gather there are two questions here:
1) Is the trendline approriately fitted to that data?
Logical questions by kaba... and, of course, they highlight the 2 most
important reasons for even bothering to create a trend line at all.
Snit then dishonestly changed his claimed reason for creating his
trend line to a ridiculous reason:
"Not quite: the question was merely if the process of creating the
trend line was correct - did it follow the process of creating a
linear trend line that is supported by the build in "linear trend
Anyone can see that when Snit abandoned the statistical goals for his
trend line he effectively killed his statistical argument.
Steve Carroll
Jun 19, 2012, 2:09:29 PM6/19/12
to
On Jun 18, 10:16 pm, Onion Knight <onionknight...@gmail.com> wrote:
(snip crap)
> Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
> any place he did not point out.
Sure, Snit, uh... Onion Knight... whatever you say.
Thanks to the person(s) who put Snit's 'Quotes List' (shown at the
bottom) together and to any who maintained it... a huge thanks goes to
High Plains Thumper of COLA who organized it and provided attribution
links. Realistically, this list tells anyone all they need to know
about Snit (the poster who simultaneously held *5* all time poster
slots in COLA and CSMA... by using different names, obviously).
The existence of Snit's infamous 'Quotes List' is based on his
trolling that includes... but is definitely not limited to... the
following:
*Use of sock puppets
*Use of nym shifting to avoid kill filters
*Forging of posting ID's
*Forging of documents
*Publicly posting private emails to usenet without permission from the
other party (and against his wishes)
*Creation of disparaging web pages
*Sexual harassment of a female poster
*Making disparaging statements about people's neighbors you have
researched.
*Lying about contracts (i.e. the claim that GoDaddy let him break
icann rules!)
*Breaking an online contract he suggested the creation of
*Falsely alleging a poster has porn habits
*Falsely alleging a married poster is cheating
*Purposefully mangling and/or ignoring context
*Purposefully misquoting people
*Attacking people's professionalism out of jealousy
*Repeated flooding of websites
*Persistent denial of reality
A brief history Snit's 'Quotes List'...
Based on Snit's claims that he is honest and honorable, that he is not
a usenet troll and the final point above ("Repeated denials of reality
") the following list of quotes was collected. It's purpose is for
when Snit got into another reality denial-fest... he could then be
presented with something that he could not deny... the labeling by
virtually everyone he came into contact with in COLA and CSMA...
labeling that he spent a lot of time on usenet earning... 5 'all time
poster' slots worth of time (and that's just what we know about!).
This is an incredible feat by any measure... and done in well less
time than many who posted to usenet for over a decade or more! Here's
the list that bears his name... the one Snit can't run fast enough
from:
1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member area and a
login. If you forget your password, you can ask it to e-mail it to
you,
and a bot will send an e-mail. *That* is the e-mail Snit got from
Sandman's website, and yes he's that fucked in the head and starved
for
attention that he'd claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So,
don't get sucked into his little circus. The e-mail, in this
particular
instance, did probably originate from Sandman.net." 27 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dac74355552b4cc7
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour
and not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you'd
leave
too. Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I
have never made the same wish of him." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- amicus_curious (COLA): "Where on earth do you get the idea that I
am
arguing with you, little man? Is your name "Hadron"? Shoo! Go back to
your mail order business!" 29 May 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/00ee203fe6183b1b
4- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you
are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
newsgroup." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
5- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers to
weasel
out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole." 25 Jun 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
6- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not
just let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you
are?
You could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above
the
low level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop...." 26 Apr
2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
7- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If yes,
then
troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire,
but
it's fixed now." 13 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
8- BaJoRi: "You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who has read
your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be wrong,
then
added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be a fool.
You
need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you are an
intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar." 11 Nov 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
9- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group can be
if you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don't
do
the same.." 5 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
10- Bob B.: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group,
but
since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
discussion about anything. The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But
for
some reason, some people just can't stop feeding him." 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
11- °b° unny: Subject "snit makes me sad", Text "really actually =:-
("
9 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
12- Brian: "LOL, Has anyone ever been more universally hated on the
USENET than Snit? Too bad he craves the hatred and negative attention.
We will read about him in the news some day soon going on a shooting
rampage. Somebody should get the pychopath some help before he VT's a
bunch of people. 29 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/66a89e4f5c89f489
13- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill, but you and Steve don't
help. You encourage him to post, which he doesn't need to do. We would
all be better off if you just ignore him. 17 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2ed879f256677548
14- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls' ... in
the groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like
snit would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn't see his posts,
only
your reply". 07 Aug 2006 (available only in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5ea48f7a84115fd1
15- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time for you to
learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
Usenet browser has a kill-filter." 5 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
16- cc (COLA): "You are incapable of letting anything go. In fact, I
guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours. Hell, I'd be
surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really wanted to, I
could make this little side topic go on forever, because you are a
complete moron who just has to respond to anything written about or to
you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
17- Chance Furlong: "HPT, Wally, Sandman, C Lund, Steve Carroll and
Tim
Adams are not trolls and do not troll. You, on the other hand, are a
troll." 27 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/28c267f26965b43f
18- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "I try to go more by the contents of the
posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is
not
worth the effort." 14 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "Actually, many of the advocates are sick to
death of Snit's never-ending puerile blather about trivialities. The
occasional reasonable conversations are too few and far between." 6
Mar
2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/811326833ba71864
19- Chris Clement: "ugh....geez man.....let it go" 5 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ed093996df6547b2
20- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him 'shit', and rightly so, for
they
way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot,
and
simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It's now far too
late
to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him..." 12 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
21- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for you to
"win"
an argument? They don't like you, you don't like them. Why must you
keep
this up? What results are you expecting?"
22- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The
archives
show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your
list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it
any
further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
problem". 22 Nov 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
23- cshenk: "I happen to believe him over you... and I doubt I'd be
the
only person in this ng to do so. You have given people a lot of
'evidence' that you are dishonest... as 'evidenced' by the quotes
list."
.... "Why stop with Jonas? Why not call the entire list of people on
your quotes list 'liars'? After all, they have all labeled you a
liar,
troll or worse." 27 Nov 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/909a59de04850ef5
24- Dave Fritzinger: "[snip of stuff I really don't care to read]
Snit,
please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
please, please, GO AWAY!!!!" 2 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
25- Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost
all
of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many
diverse people who share a common perception where do you think the
problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn't
require an advanced degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
26- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought you
knew what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was
presented
to you. I guess I had too much confidence in you." 30 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
27- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and
loser you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i
stop responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up
responding as if you were a normal person. i suppose it's tough for
the
magnitude of your 'loserdom' to stick, so it loses some of it's
sharpness when i stop responding to you. you almost always start
responding back in a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it's
once again that time. i can only ask that you pass my condolences to
your wife and unborn child for having to put up with such a dishonest
fool as yourself. (well, if your wife is a loser as well, just pass
those condolences to the rug-rat to be; if not, double condolences to
her). " 30 Apr 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
28- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest
liar
in Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using
sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
29- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger, and you've
almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of
out of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies
labled as a "peace effort" has to be one of the craziest stunts you've
pulled. It's all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
center stage at all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought
it
would make people look at you." 18 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
30- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see
a
doctor." 24 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
31- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to the points
in
my post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
childishly typical of you, Snit." 16 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
32- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled since the
first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do like Snit'. As far
as I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist." 15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
33- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides
the typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like
being in a room of really young children trying there best to best the
other person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you.
I
hate to be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the
middle
of a great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs
and
more about "look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no end then all
this picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always
been al little adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the
point that this place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping
CSMA
and making this place your own personal circus." 12 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
34- Geezer:
Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality"
Geezer: "Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who uncover
his lies and deceit;)"
Snit: "and no clue about the law."
Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are
"proof".
LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported lies)' 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
35- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): "The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
how stupid he is... What a mar00n". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit
(AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you
crazy
with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any
cost. He will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is
to hit and run. NEVER engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that
will only anger you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27
Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
37- gimme_this_gimme_that: "Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?" 4 Mar
2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
38- Glenn Hall (COLA): "That person is like a constantly running
toilet
that won't stop. Does he ever stop talking about UI consistency? No
matter what anyone replies, he adds a few more branches to the spider
web as it grows and grows. It's a waste of time." 31 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c8dd8a244fe1eb2c
39- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone else
notices that you are not honest and you have no honor." 21 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
40- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads,
are
you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor
people
cause that's just retarded but if you dont fix it I'm gonna have to
cause I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your
client or something". 12 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
41- Hadron (COLA): "Would you please stop the whining. FFS he has you
jumping to his every post. How many more fucking times are you going
to
post the same repetitive garbage? Please ..at least change the record
sometimes!!!!!!!" 13 Aug 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1e0ecbb776623473
41- Hadron (COLA): "I'm not coming to the rescue of anyone. I have
Snit
killfiled for his repeated reposts of the same text time and time
again." 24 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e99833d90612ee35
41- Hadron (COLA):
Snit: "Anyone who denies this is a part of the herd. Period. This is
a
simple black and white issue where there is no middle ground - anyone
who lies to defend Stallman's repulsive support of child abuse *is* a
part of the herd."
Hadron: "Constantly posting this dirge about Stallman and his views is
about to get you back in the killfile. Stop it. Its repulsive and
vindictive on your part." 25 Sep 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6be2e85c701763a7
42- Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must be a deeply troubled
individual who has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with
the
points above. I don't care about them. Your constant complaints,
whines,
rages, etc., wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel
as
trolls, arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must
orbit
around you. People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept
that. Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about
your
solipsism. There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail."
18
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
43- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*" Aug 19 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d8afd909a308b97f
44- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
"synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt
to maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such,
I
consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me.
This is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the
reminder that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word
"responsible".' 25 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
45- High Plains Thumper: "Agreed except for Snit and socks (Joe Crump
and ad nauseum). I've got Snit kill binned, because he is the classic
ad
hominem troll. At first he seems reasonable, but then it always
degrades
into name calling bullying, the responder is a liar, etc. AKA the
Snit
Circus of Pathological Lies. Perhaps the times he seems reasonable
are
when he is properly controlled by medication." 21 Sep 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/249a598ec5aafe85
46- Homer (COLA): "I don't mean this as a personal insult, but I'm
perfectly serious when I say 'Snit' (Michael Glasser) is obviously
mentally ill, and needs help. I was going to suggest that someone
alerts his wife to the problem, but I have to assume she's already
aware
of his condition, if she is in fact still living with him. It's
possible, I suppose, that he's already undergoing counselling and/or
on
medication, but if he is then it doesn't seem to be helping much.
Maybe
he just missed his 'meds' today (again, I mean that sincerely)." 26
Jan
2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
Homer: "Word of advice for anyone concerned: don't be tempted to get
drawn into a Snit circus, it's literally a waste of time. He's just an
attention seeker who'll keep stringing you along, in a never-ending
circle of obtuse questions, for which he has no genuine interest in
the
answers." 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0d06eb2e900e3058
47- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for
a
long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
morons, but I've never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of
his opponents. A good kill file is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
48- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable to offer
support for your statements, you're reduced to personal attacks on me.
Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state
as facts can be true. I'm really sorry that you're taking this
attitude,
the topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some
insights. I've snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and
avoid
answering any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just
repeated." 6 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
49- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid people on
usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh
your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over.
Either
you're a super troll, or you're a super mess." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
50- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit." 27 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cdddf5fd04d9afcb
51- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git." 23 Dec
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
52- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won't help me
achieve
a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and
those kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as
this."
18 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
53- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you accomplishing
besides being annoying? Is that your goal?" 25 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
54- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush mentioned in
it? You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack
threads."
55- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're involved
in
seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and
stop this crap. Try. How about it?" 25 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
56- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I
suppose."
"Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for
his claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean,
you *are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?" 8 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
57- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to fall
-
in a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'" 23 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
58- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What are
you
bitching about?" 1 Dec 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12ba528be5ad2665
59- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice- more like
a
black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain
an
unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up?
Please??"
11 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
60- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's postings
since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to filter his posts, I
just consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his
name."
7 Jan 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
61- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be shocked
that
he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
repairman and teacher. He's just plain loony and best ignored. Let
him
deal with his disorder by medication. He's here to do one thing, get
attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a
reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what he's
counting on, he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes to get a rise
out of people like you. Ignore him, you won't regret it." 3 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
John Slade: "Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding
drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of
my
killfile? Oh well back into the cage you go, PLONK." 13 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
62- Josh McKee: "I have no strawman so therefore it has to be in your
mind. .... What is obnoxious are your posts." 26 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3665b9e002d27c44
63- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that even
though the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot
is
mostly being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers
that
keep replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this
place could be worth coming back to. There's a good chance he'll pack
up
and take his trolling to more fertile ground." 22 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
64- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence
with
"Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.' 29 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
65- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother
reading
the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how to support your position,
instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping
it'll
all go away." 7 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
66- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for ad
hominem
attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks.
You
make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You're
a
liar and a hypocrite and you always have been." 14 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
67- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid." 7 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
68- Lawrence D'Oliveiro (COLA): "You seem to be full of complaints
about
your inability to hold up your end of the argument, aren’t you?" 16
Mar
2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8ca5f48099696228
69- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time,
but
the few times you post something worth reading just aren't worth it
anymore. *plonk*" 16 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
70- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact you've been
an annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense
of
trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is
trashtalk
about Linux and you acting every bit the troll." 16 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
71-libcrushersmith: "Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS
News
and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
changes the subject and will never admit he's wrong." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
72- libsnightmare: "You're a sore loser who has resorted to fifth
grade
tactics. How fucking sad - all this clown has left is to edit posts
and
post fake bullshit. You can't debate... so you lie. Once again, you
have
proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad..." 4 May 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
73- Linonut (cola): "Snit may be the first retraction of my general
killfile amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping,
back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that
effete candy-ass beggars belief". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
74- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most
cretinous,
I would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)" 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
75- Lewis: "hasn't this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I
don't think anything is ever going to fix snit." 02 Mar 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
76- Lusotec (COLA): "You have started threads on this subject many
times, and many times it has been explained to you how X copy & paste
should work and how bugs in a application are not bugs in the system,
but still you return to this subject and post the same false
statements." 09 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/37032133fbe9db92
77- Marious Barrier (COLA): "I must recognize that it is the first
time
I see that kind of troll, once that start asking moderately serious
questions and since the first answer, gradually starts to degenerate
it
by, in many failed attempts of being sarcastic, inserting various
indirect insults and calling all people ignorant and unable to answer
what he asks for." 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c6607ea64f436821
78- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would
be impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual
dishonesty ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very
keen
on proverbs, and I recall her going over the "cry wolf" story. Mr
Glasser could "cry wolf" over and over now, and I would not come to
help
him with his sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if
he's
ever telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has." 2 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
79- Marti Van Lin (COLA): "I paid enough attention to Snit IMHO. I
killfiled him the very first month I started lurking COLA. I find his
nitpicking and immature behavior extremely annoying. I am not going to
torture myself reading his bullshit. Snit is also a proven liar.
Remember his retarded exif debacle." 08 Jul 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d12622df3671359b
80- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it to
this
post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a
DVD
of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got
mad because we quit making him the center of attention and made that
kid
on the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried
to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life." 30 Sep
2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
81- McGarnagle: "And you know when Snit is endorsed by two of the
biggest nutjobs in AGA - RichL and El Kabong - you know he's not very
bright and a loon." 31 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
82- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone refutes
your
'facts', you run away and ignore them. Refuting your 'facts' is
easily
done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it." 9 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
83- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All I see
you
doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You're
the
TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not* a compliment!" 8 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
84- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I
can
only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged
you actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek
professional help."
"The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made
no
threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point,
Elizabot
was suddenly "threatening" to you. In so much as you had to take your
kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to
waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they
have Kook with a capital "K" written at the top of your profile,
Snit."
2 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
85- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious.
Treat
him the same way, look but just keep moving on." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
86- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are
off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly
show that you are crying out for attention." 20 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
87- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact that
your
obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
Killfilling someone generally implies you're ignoring that person, yet
you piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
website's validation status more often than most people check their
e-mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual."
19 Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
88- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
kindergarten and see if the kids there can't teach you a thing or two
about social behavior." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
89- Muahman: "Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard
circus!!! I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that
automatically means it's in the toilet." 8 Jul 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
90- Mutley (AUK): "For the record ... I'll be done when I decide that
there's more shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe."
01 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
91- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't convinced
that
snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly
am
now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?" 29 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
92- nessuno (COLA):
Chris Ahlstrom: "Have you ever noticed that threads involving Snit,
[...] are a basically a waste of time?
nessuno: "Yep. I don't read them." 29 May 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2f997598f0e25f9d
93- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got a wry sense
of humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way you're just a waste of
time, and you've done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool.
Then you revel in wallowing in your own filth." 14 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
94- none of your buisiness (COLA): "I am sorry, but I am going to have
to send you to the bin. You're perpetrating the Snit circus by
responding to all of his assinine posts. He is only here for one
reason,
to disrupt this group, & you are helping him, as well as flatfish."
04
Jan 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a9b40ce46612fdc4
95- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
children in the back seat of the family car saying: Mom, 'snits'
touching me ... and you responding much as you do now ... I'm not
touching you, you're touching me! The problem is that by now you
should've grown out of that type of poke and complain interaction with
others. But, of course, you've haven't learned how to interact with
others in a more 'constructive' and mutually beneficial manner even
now." 03 Jul 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
96- notlisted (COLA): "I actually like Apple. But I see you as an
asshole who spends an embarassing percentage of your life posting
derogatory comments about a computer operating system you obviously
detest, and insulting those who defend it in a newsgroup dedicated its
advocacy. That's almost the definition of being an asshole, and you
have half a dozen buddies who do the same thing. You excuse what you
do
by pretending that you're merely pointing out problems in the hope
that
the system will be improved, but that's an obvious lie whether it's
you
saying it or one of your buds. You do it because you enjoy the
feeling
it gives you, whatever that is." 07 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/90b57eaa796e8b14
97- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I
killfiled
him?" 27 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
98- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and
desire
to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things." 2
Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
99- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending
Author,
example Snit... Go to the Filters Menu, Choose 'Kill this Author'
Click 'OK' Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice.
Then
to see your work... Choose the Filter Menu again, Then 'Refilter
Articles'... Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing.
Enjoy!!!!!" 14 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
100- Owl (COLA): "You have interacted with me often enough to know
that
I never initiate personal attacks. I generally respond in kind. It
is
you who usually fall off the civility wagon first, with your
ironically
condescending canned responses that do nothing for your argument and
generally shine a spotlight on the desperation that you are so fearful
of projecting." 5 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8debf93e05da4d26
Owl (COLA): "You are a complete idiot and extremely dishonest.
Consider
yourself permanently plonked." 29 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba7797c5108b3c10
101- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit,
for whom the work 'troll' seems so painfully inadequate?" 13 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
102- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk> " 27 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/93afdfea4d4f491a
103- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For someone who
talks about everyone else not being "honest and honorable" you appear
to
be the least honest and honorable of anyone here." 22 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
104- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in
Newswatcher
but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten
seconds later and he's gone! Amazing." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
105- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
argument with sandman into the private room." 13 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
106- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely, and
someti...
err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a blue moon he has
something
useful to say." 20 Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a31a47e26c5f5b7
107- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that they were not
different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has
told me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence." 30
Jun
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cfd5de2006d42fdc
108- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot Glasser is invading this group with
his inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about that
dishonest retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser sock"
30
Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
109- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu". 30 Mar 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3e88e9a86cb5483e
110- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get
superficial snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions." 1 Nov
2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
111- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference a long
standing war you have going with some person from csma. It's like you
single out persons to target your attentions upon and then
continuously
berate them with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their
acrimonious responses, which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad
infinitum. Above all things, your affinity for Macs and your
overbearing
pompous nature aside, this is what convinces me that your primary
purpose for frequenting this and other groups is to troll." 07 Sep
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
112- RichardK: "Just killfile him already." 20 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c9e7ded2e95a582
113- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You
trash
people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going
on." 06 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
114- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a
troll. I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a
troll, he is ... somewhat clumsy." 22 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
115- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care if you
quote Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the
shell of a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk
of
looking ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that's
your goal, you're on the right track, and more power to you." 11 Jan
2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
116- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's thing
is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man.
That's enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
RonB: (COLA): "Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no
point,
he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron's
'you're a liar' mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays."
27
May 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
RonB (COLA): "Original subject line now killfiled. You can only talk
about the freaking clipboard for so many million freaking messages. As
I
said, Snit has no common-sense, STOP mechanism. He's a mechanically
obsessive super crank and will go on forever. I'm not kidding about
this, he will *NEVER* *ever* stop." 6 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0df1e0164a8b586e
117- Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir boys." 14
Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
118- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to
generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and
how it can help you and your supposed users why aren't you requesting
help from a more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As
the old saying goes, those who can do, those who can't teach. Your
posts
seem to confirm that saying IMHO." 12 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
119- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and worthless. You
must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you."
29 Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
120- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY-
of csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news
group before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against
him in just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the
funny
part with Michael is that I actually think he DOESN'T consider himself
be a troll - damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they
are wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour." 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
121- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly,
even
the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense
than
this. You been doing drugs or something?" 25 May 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
122- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit, you're
probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to
remove smut from your harddrive." 21 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
123- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
Snit: "Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me..."
Sermo Malifer: "Because you're a narcissistic troll who posts trash
just
to get people talking about you." 21 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
124- spike1: "As for the original post, there's plenty of reason
thought
and criteria. The reason is snit's here. The thought is probably to
show
everyone here just how bad a troll snit is." 03 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c797d640e3b9fc12
125- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing
anger, i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he
thinks he's making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he's
pretty smart. indeed, he tells us, he's done the personality tests and
the iq tests and he's okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he's soooooooo well
adjusted." 3 Mar 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
126- Steel (COLA): "You may not like the game, but nevertheless, it's
just a game. You play a game yourself don't kid yourself." 14 Oct
2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/be1f49165984c350
127- Steve Carroll: "Snit isn't much more than a one trick pony and
not
telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you've gone
a
long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his
errors is one of the biggest jokes on usenet." 28 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
128- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of
elephant
dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the "Snit
Circus",
but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
elephant dung." 18 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
129- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
for your rediculous argument regarding this." 26 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
130- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit has lost
all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like 'asses'
when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit
have
fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to
feel
embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him
more
happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags)." 27 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
131- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk him
then.
A snit is a snit is a snit and always will be." 15 Aug 2006 (post not
available except in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
132- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): "In other words, in another attempt to
troll, you made yourself look like a fool. Again". 28 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
133- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here,
in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
where I live (well, I /think/...) Or is Snit really just someone whose
HD you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot
of, for lack of a better word, unpleasantness - just from looking at
today's headers." 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
134- The Lost Packet (COLA): "well, he's found a seat in my killbin, I
can't be doing with him." 27 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
135- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're the one
lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to "I'm
right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples someone points at to
demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they
provide no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse
still, you fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to
portray the argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls
that
inhabit CSMA, Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you
are." 23 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
136- Thufir: "You can "prove" that no one has disproved your "proof"?
Again, your assertion that no one has done so is even *less*
convincing
than your claim that some PDF "proves" whatever point you're trying to
make precisely because I'm familiar with your MO. That is, you're a
dumb-ass who would claim that that something is proved when it's not,
and who would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I
don't know what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that
you're
full of shit." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
137-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you see,
you never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why
just
the other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars
(in
this NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar." 13 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
138- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor
sick fool can get attention. My fucking God, he's taken to hanging out
with and supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that
no-one likes him and those that pretend they do are just using him or
don't know him - but come on- it's not his fault. He's sick. Have some
compassion, eh? All these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy,
MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are all so alike. I pity each and every
one of them" 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
139- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way you
could
actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here." 14
Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
140- Timberwoof: "Plonk, Snit." 23 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c8df070c3e776c
141- tom_elam: "Killfile Steve C. and Snit" 07 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b50d0c973d21d995
142- TomB (COLA): "No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to
make me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to
'be right'? If so, you're pathetic. And I don't say this because I
like
to say it." 07 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
143- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one
of
your Circus acts?" 20 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
144- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive "writings". You
give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have
succeeded!
That also goes for all that bullshit on your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
145- Tony(UK) (COLA): "Your email address in your headers just about
sums the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits
involved in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in
doubt,
deride, insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging
me."
10 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
146- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with Snit.
Most
people have him kill-filed and the few who don't mostly restrict
their
responses to 'why don't you go away, no one wants you here'. Just
what
would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be
some kind of severe mental illness." 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
147- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty" are
nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you wish to
define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend
the rules when inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this
reason I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to play your game." 16
May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
148- White Spirit (COLA): "Snit deserves a good beat-down, Rodney King
style. I have had to plonk the worthless piece of Snit to prevent my
monitor being defiled with the presence of his idiotic, narcissistic
tripe." 24 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2e3adbaae4bfb91d
149- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home more
than
he's anywhere near a classroom".
150- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a mental
breakdown
it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked
up
mess he is." 29 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
151- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my
sincere
apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're the first
person to be plonked from my new computer! :-) " 10 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
152- Woofbert: "*Plonk*" 14 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/436e6b5333d747e0
153- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of posts, to
prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like that to people
without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping
Snit
to do a search - you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry
little life." 25 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
154- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global
killfile.
No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye". 11 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
155- Znu: "The Snit Circus has gotten particularly bad as of late.
When
I set up my filters to kill all of Snit's posts, plus direct replies
to
them (which is how I'm keeping things from now on), nearly 40% of the
most recent 1000 articles in CSMA go out the window. .... In all,
something like 50% of the traffic in this group is now related to Snit
insanity. .... I killfile Edwin because I don't have a patience to
have
discussions with someone who deliberately tries to waste my time. But
watching *other people* tie him knots can be entertaining. The
Snit-related posts are not like this. They are endless repetitions of
the exact same material and/or arguments dating back *years* about who
said what." 20 Apr 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9244dd79c682b2d6
156- Kari Lane (COLA): "You are pitiful. And a big pain in the ass.
Without you there might be change to get some real discussion going on
about Linux." 27 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5889b9cdf65c0b44
157- Roy Schestowitz (COLA): "Your neighbour troll has gotten no
attention, so he decided to start spamming our site, having trolled
the
IRC channel. He has just posted 7 non-content self-promotion links in
a
matter of 5 minute (as comments), The trolling and stalking elsewhere
have verged the pathological too. S*it Glasser -- see help. You're
clearly insane." [...] "The Prescott Lunattic has just pasted his
ENTIRE
BLOG into my blog (as comments). If this is not an UBERTROLL, I don't
know what is. 31 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b66f067167d0d36b
157- Roy Schestowitz (COLA): "He is piggy-backing other people's sites
for attention. Frankly, he's the most disgusting form of troll and no
wonder even the Mac forums disowned him. He's a real-life troll." 31
Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/543bc1b219961b16
158 - 7 (COLA): "You went off topic, run, back down, accepted you are
a
HYPOCRITE, trolled, posted net abuse and underlined your illiterate
character, ignored the answer, made false accusation and trolled
again."
23 Nov 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/7a9240935bfd3ffc
159 - DFS (COLA): "About Snit? If so, I was fooled by him for a long
time, too, mostly because I didn't closely read his threads. I knew
he
liked to split hairs and argue endlessly, so I usually glossed over
his
threads. I didn't realize he would keep babbling "Support your
accusation" even in the face of direct evidence of his lies. Oh well.
I
finally decided to killfile him again (my only entry)." 27 Mar 2012
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d5fff469502bc7ba
160- Torre Starnes (COLA):
DFS: "About Snit?"
Torre Starnes: "Yep. I admit I was sucked in. In the dumper....."
27 Mar 2012
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/81eabc1a75ff01d2
161- clogwog (COLA): "This discussion, a very boring one, is leading
nowhere, please try to accept that cc has his arguments to disagree
with
you." 31 May 2012
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8bc89787876f55a0
(snip crap)
> Funny how you keep trolling Snit but can't show where he was wrong in
> any place he did not point out.
Thanks to the person(s) who put Snit's 'Quotes List' (shown at the
bottom) together and to any who maintained it... a huge thanks goes to
High Plains Thumper of COLA who organized it and provided attribution
links. Realistically, this list tells anyone all they need to know
about Snit (the poster who simultaneously held *5* all time poster
slots in COLA and CSMA... by using different names, obviously).
The existence of Snit's infamous 'Quotes List' is based on his
trolling that includes... but is definitely not limited to... the
following:
*Use of sock puppets
*Use of nym shifting to avoid kill filters
*Forging of posting ID's
*Forging of documents
*Publicly posting private emails to usenet without permission from the
other party (and against his wishes)
*Creation of disparaging web pages
*Sexual harassment of a female poster
*Making disparaging statements about people's neighbors you have
researched.
*Lying about contracts (i.e. the claim that GoDaddy let him break
icann rules!)
*Breaking an online contract he suggested the creation of
*Falsely alleging a poster has porn habits
*Falsely alleging a married poster is cheating
*Purposefully mangling and/or ignoring context
*Purposefully misquoting people
*Attacking people's professionalism out of jealousy
*Repeated flooding of websites
*Persistent denial of reality
A brief history Snit's 'Quotes List'...
Based on Snit's claims that he is honest and honorable, that he is not
a usenet troll and the final point above ("Repeated denials of reality
") the following list of quotes was collected. It's purpose is for
when Snit got into another reality denial-fest... he could then be
presented with something that he could not deny... the labeling by
virtually everyone he came into contact with in COLA and CSMA...
labeling that he spent a lot of time on usenet earning... 5 'all time
poster' slots worth of time (and that's just what we know about!).
This is an incredible feat by any measure... and done in well less
time than many who posted to usenet for over a decade or more! Here's
the list that bears his name... the one Snit can't run fast enough
from:
1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member area and a
login. If you forget your password, you can ask it to e-mail it to
you,
and a bot will send an e-mail. *That* is the e-mail Snit got from
Sandman's website, and yes he's that fucked in the head and starved
for
attention that he'd claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So,
don't get sucked into his little circus. The e-mail, in this
particular
instance, did probably originate from Sandman.net." 27 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dac74355552b4cc7
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour
and not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you'd
leave
too. Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I
have never made the same wish of him." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- amicus_curious (COLA): "Where on earth do you get the idea that I
am
arguing with you, little man? Is your name "Hadron"? Shoo! Go back to
your mail order business!" 29 May 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/00ee203fe6183b1b
4- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you
are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
newsgroup." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
5- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers to
weasel
out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole." 25 Jun 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
6- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not
just let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you
are?
You could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above
the
low level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop...." 26 Apr
2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
7- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If yes,
then
troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire,
but
it's fixed now." 13 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
8- BaJoRi: "You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who has read
your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be wrong,
then
added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be a fool.
You
need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you are an
intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar." 11 Nov 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
9- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group can be
if you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don't
do
the same.." 5 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
10- Bob B.: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group,
but
since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
discussion about anything. The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But
for
some reason, some people just can't stop feeding him." 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
11- °b° unny: Subject "snit makes me sad", Text "really actually =:-
("
9 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
12- Brian: "LOL, Has anyone ever been more universally hated on the
USENET than Snit? Too bad he craves the hatred and negative attention.
We will read about him in the news some day soon going on a shooting
rampage. Somebody should get the pychopath some help before he VT's a
bunch of people. 29 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/66a89e4f5c89f489
13- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill, but you and Steve don't
help. You encourage him to post, which he doesn't need to do. We would
all be better off if you just ignore him. 17 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2ed879f256677548
14- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls' ... in
the groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like
snit would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn't see his posts,
only
your reply". 07 Aug 2006 (available only in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5ea48f7a84115fd1
15- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time for you to
learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
Usenet browser has a kill-filter." 5 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
16- cc (COLA): "You are incapable of letting anything go. In fact, I
guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours. Hell, I'd be
surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really wanted to, I
could make this little side topic go on forever, because you are a
complete moron who just has to respond to anything written about or to
you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
17- Chance Furlong: "HPT, Wally, Sandman, C Lund, Steve Carroll and
Tim
Adams are not trolls and do not troll. You, on the other hand, are a
troll." 27 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/28c267f26965b43f
18- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "I try to go more by the contents of the
posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is
not
worth the effort." 14 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "Actually, many of the advocates are sick to
death of Snit's never-ending puerile blather about trivialities. The
occasional reasonable conversations are too few and far between." 6
Mar
2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/811326833ba71864
19- Chris Clement: "ugh....geez man.....let it go" 5 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ed093996df6547b2
20- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him 'shit', and rightly so, for
they
way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot,
and
simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It's now far too
late
to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him..." 12 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
21- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for you to
"win"
an argument? They don't like you, you don't like them. Why must you
keep
this up? What results are you expecting?"
22- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The
archives
show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your
list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it
any
further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
problem". 22 Nov 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
23- cshenk: "I happen to believe him over you... and I doubt I'd be
the
only person in this ng to do so. You have given people a lot of
'evidence' that you are dishonest... as 'evidenced' by the quotes
list."
.... "Why stop with Jonas? Why not call the entire list of people on
your quotes list 'liars'? After all, they have all labeled you a
liar,
troll or worse." 27 Nov 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/909a59de04850ef5
24- Dave Fritzinger: "[snip of stuff I really don't care to read]
Snit,
please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
please, please, GO AWAY!!!!" 2 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
25- Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost
all
of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many
diverse people who share a common perception where do you think the
problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn't
require an advanced degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
26- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought you
knew what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was
presented
to you. I guess I had too much confidence in you." 30 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
27- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and
loser you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i
stop responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up
responding as if you were a normal person. i suppose it's tough for
the
magnitude of your 'loserdom' to stick, so it loses some of it's
sharpness when i stop responding to you. you almost always start
responding back in a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it's
once again that time. i can only ask that you pass my condolences to
your wife and unborn child for having to put up with such a dishonest
fool as yourself. (well, if your wife is a loser as well, just pass
those condolences to the rug-rat to be; if not, double condolences to
her). " 30 Apr 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
28- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest
liar
in Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using
sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
29- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger, and you've
almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of
out of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies
labled as a "peace effort" has to be one of the craziest stunts you've
pulled. It's all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
center stage at all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought
it
would make people look at you." 18 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
30- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see
a
doctor." 24 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
31- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to the points
in
my post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
childishly typical of you, Snit." 16 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
32- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled since the
first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do like Snit'. As far
as I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist." 15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
33- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides
the typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like
being in a room of really young children trying there best to best the
other person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you.
I
hate to be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the
middle
of a great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs
and
more about "look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no end then all
this picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always
been al little adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the
point that this place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping
CSMA
and making this place your own personal circus." 12 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
34- Geezer:
Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality"
Geezer: "Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who uncover
his lies and deceit;)"
Snit: "and no clue about the law."
Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are
"proof".
LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported lies)' 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
35- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): "The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
how stupid he is... What a mar00n". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit
(AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you
crazy
with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any
cost. He will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is
to hit and run. NEVER engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that
will only anger you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27
Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
37- gimme_this_gimme_that: "Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?" 4 Mar
2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
38- Glenn Hall (COLA): "That person is like a constantly running
toilet
that won't stop. Does he ever stop talking about UI consistency? No
matter what anyone replies, he adds a few more branches to the spider
web as it grows and grows. It's a waste of time." 31 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c8dd8a244fe1eb2c
39- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone else
notices that you are not honest and you have no honor." 21 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
40- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads,
are
you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor
people
cause that's just retarded but if you dont fix it I'm gonna have to
cause I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your
client or something". 12 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
41- Hadron (COLA): "Would you please stop the whining. FFS he has you
jumping to his every post. How many more fucking times are you going
to
post the same repetitive garbage? Please ..at least change the record
sometimes!!!!!!!" 13 Aug 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1e0ecbb776623473
41- Hadron (COLA): "I'm not coming to the rescue of anyone. I have
Snit
killfiled for his repeated reposts of the same text time and time
again." 24 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e99833d90612ee35
41- Hadron (COLA):
Snit: "Anyone who denies this is a part of the herd. Period. This is
a
simple black and white issue where there is no middle ground - anyone
who lies to defend Stallman's repulsive support of child abuse *is* a
part of the herd."
Hadron: "Constantly posting this dirge about Stallman and his views is
about to get you back in the killfile. Stop it. Its repulsive and
vindictive on your part." 25 Sep 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6be2e85c701763a7
42- Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must be a deeply troubled
individual who has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with
the
points above. I don't care about them. Your constant complaints,
whines,
rages, etc., wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel
as
trolls, arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must
orbit
around you. People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept
that. Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about
your
solipsism. There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail."
18
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
43- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*" Aug 19 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d8afd909a308b97f
44- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
"synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt
to maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such,
I
consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me.
This is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the
reminder that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word
"responsible".' 25 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
45- High Plains Thumper: "Agreed except for Snit and socks (Joe Crump
and ad nauseum). I've got Snit kill binned, because he is the classic
ad
hominem troll. At first he seems reasonable, but then it always
degrades
into name calling bullying, the responder is a liar, etc. AKA the
Snit
Circus of Pathological Lies. Perhaps the times he seems reasonable
are
when he is properly controlled by medication." 21 Sep 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/249a598ec5aafe85
46- Homer (COLA): "I don't mean this as a personal insult, but I'm
perfectly serious when I say 'Snit' (Michael Glasser) is obviously
mentally ill, and needs help. I was going to suggest that someone
alerts his wife to the problem, but I have to assume she's already
aware
of his condition, if she is in fact still living with him. It's
possible, I suppose, that he's already undergoing counselling and/or
on
medication, but if he is then it doesn't seem to be helping much.
Maybe
he just missed his 'meds' today (again, I mean that sincerely)." 26
Jan
2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
Homer: "Word of advice for anyone concerned: don't be tempted to get
drawn into a Snit circus, it's literally a waste of time. He's just an
attention seeker who'll keep stringing you along, in a never-ending
circle of obtuse questions, for which he has no genuine interest in
the
answers." 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0d06eb2e900e3058
47- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for
a
long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
morons, but I've never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of
his opponents. A good kill file is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
48- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable to offer
support for your statements, you're reduced to personal attacks on me.
Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state
as facts can be true. I'm really sorry that you're taking this
attitude,
the topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some
insights. I've snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and
avoid
answering any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just
repeated." 6 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
49- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid people on
usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh
your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over.
Either
you're a super troll, or you're a super mess." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
50- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit." 27 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cdddf5fd04d9afcb
51- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git." 23 Dec
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
52- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won't help me
achieve
a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and
those kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as
this."
18 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
53- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you accomplishing
besides being annoying? Is that your goal?" 25 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
54- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush mentioned in
it? You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack
threads."
55- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're involved
in
seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and
stop this crap. Try. How about it?" 25 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
56- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I
suppose."
"Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for
his claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean,
you *are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?" 8 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
57- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to fall
-
in a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'" 23 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
58- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What are
you
bitching about?" 1 Dec 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12ba528be5ad2665
59- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice- more like
a
black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain
an
unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up?
Please??"
11 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
60- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's postings
since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to filter his posts, I
just consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his
name."
7 Jan 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
61- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be shocked
that
he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
repairman and teacher. He's just plain loony and best ignored. Let
him
deal with his disorder by medication. He's here to do one thing, get
attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a
reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what he's
counting on, he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes to get a rise
out of people like you. Ignore him, you won't regret it." 3 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
John Slade: "Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding
drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of
my
killfile? Oh well back into the cage you go, PLONK." 13 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
62- Josh McKee: "I have no strawman so therefore it has to be in your
mind. .... What is obnoxious are your posts." 26 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3665b9e002d27c44
63- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that even
though the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot
is
mostly being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers
that
keep replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this
place could be worth coming back to. There's a good chance he'll pack
up
and take his trolling to more fertile ground." 22 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
64- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence
with
"Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.' 29 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
65- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother
reading
the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how to support your position,
instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping
it'll
all go away." 7 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
66- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for ad
hominem
attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks.
You
make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You're
a
liar and a hypocrite and you always have been." 14 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
67- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid." 7 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
68- Lawrence D'Oliveiro (COLA): "You seem to be full of complaints
about
your inability to hold up your end of the argument, aren’t you?" 16
Mar
2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8ca5f48099696228
69- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time,
but
the few times you post something worth reading just aren't worth it
anymore. *plonk*" 16 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
70- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact you've been
an annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense
of
trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is
trashtalk
about Linux and you acting every bit the troll." 16 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
71-libcrushersmith: "Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS
News
and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
changes the subject and will never admit he's wrong." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
72- libsnightmare: "You're a sore loser who has resorted to fifth
grade
tactics. How fucking sad - all this clown has left is to edit posts
and
post fake bullshit. You can't debate... so you lie. Once again, you
have
proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad..." 4 May 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
73- Linonut (cola): "Snit may be the first retraction of my general
killfile amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping,
back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that
effete candy-ass beggars belief". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
74- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most
cretinous,
I would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)" 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
75- Lewis: "hasn't this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I
don't think anything is ever going to fix snit." 02 Mar 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
76- Lusotec (COLA): "You have started threads on this subject many
times, and many times it has been explained to you how X copy & paste
should work and how bugs in a application are not bugs in the system,
but still you return to this subject and post the same false
statements." 09 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/37032133fbe9db92
77- Marious Barrier (COLA): "I must recognize that it is the first
time
I see that kind of troll, once that start asking moderately serious
questions and since the first answer, gradually starts to degenerate
it
by, in many failed attempts of being sarcastic, inserting various
indirect insults and calling all people ignorant and unable to answer
what he asks for." 14 Oct 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c6607ea64f436821
78- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would
be impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual
dishonesty ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very
keen
on proverbs, and I recall her going over the "cry wolf" story. Mr
Glasser could "cry wolf" over and over now, and I would not come to
help
him with his sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if
he's
ever telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has." 2 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
79- Marti Van Lin (COLA): "I paid enough attention to Snit IMHO. I
killfiled him the very first month I started lurking COLA. I find his
nitpicking and immature behavior extremely annoying. I am not going to
torture myself reading his bullshit. Snit is also a proven liar.
Remember his retarded exif debacle." 08 Jul 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d12622df3671359b
80- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it to
this
post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a
DVD
of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got
mad because we quit making him the center of attention and made that
kid
on the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried
to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life." 30 Sep
2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
81- McGarnagle: "And you know when Snit is endorsed by two of the
biggest nutjobs in AGA - RichL and El Kabong - you know he's not very
bright and a loon." 31 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
82- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone refutes
your
'facts', you run away and ignore them. Refuting your 'facts' is
easily
done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it." 9 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
83- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All I see
you
doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You're
the
TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not* a compliment!" 8 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
84- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I
can
only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged
you actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek
professional help."
"The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made
no
threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point,
Elizabot
was suddenly "threatening" to you. In so much as you had to take your
kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to
waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they
have Kook with a capital "K" written at the top of your profile,
Snit."
2 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
85- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious.
Treat
him the same way, look but just keep moving on." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
86- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are
off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly
show that you are crying out for attention." 20 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
87- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact that
your
obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
Killfilling someone generally implies you're ignoring that person, yet
you piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
website's validation status more often than most people check their
e-mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual."
19 Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
88- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
kindergarten and see if the kids there can't teach you a thing or two
about social behavior." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
89- Muahman: "Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard
circus!!! I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that
automatically means it's in the toilet." 8 Jul 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
90- Mutley (AUK): "For the record ... I'll be done when I decide that
there's more shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe."
01 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
91- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't convinced
that
snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly
am
now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?" 29 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
92- nessuno (COLA):
Chris Ahlstrom: "Have you ever noticed that threads involving Snit,
[...] are a basically a waste of time?
nessuno: "Yep. I don't read them." 29 May 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2f997598f0e25f9d
93- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got a wry sense
of humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way you're just a waste of
time, and you've done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool.
Then you revel in wallowing in your own filth." 14 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
94- none of your buisiness (COLA): "I am sorry, but I am going to have
to send you to the bin. You're perpetrating the Snit circus by
responding to all of his assinine posts. He is only here for one
reason,
to disrupt this group, & you are helping him, as well as flatfish."
04
Jan 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a9b40ce46612fdc4
95- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
children in the back seat of the family car saying: Mom, 'snits'
touching me ... and you responding much as you do now ... I'm not
touching you, you're touching me! The problem is that by now you
should've grown out of that type of poke and complain interaction with
others. But, of course, you've haven't learned how to interact with
others in a more 'constructive' and mutually beneficial manner even
now." 03 Jul 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
96- notlisted (COLA): "I actually like Apple. But I see you as an
asshole who spends an embarassing percentage of your life posting
derogatory comments about a computer operating system you obviously
detest, and insulting those who defend it in a newsgroup dedicated its
advocacy. That's almost the definition of being an asshole, and you
have half a dozen buddies who do the same thing. You excuse what you
do
by pretending that you're merely pointing out problems in the hope
that
the system will be improved, but that's an obvious lie whether it's
you
saying it or one of your buds. You do it because you enjoy the
feeling
it gives you, whatever that is." 07 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/90b57eaa796e8b14
97- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I
killfiled
him?" 27 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
98- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and
desire
to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things." 2
Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
99- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending
Author,
example Snit... Go to the Filters Menu, Choose 'Kill this Author'
Click 'OK' Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice.
Then
to see your work... Choose the Filter Menu again, Then 'Refilter
Articles'... Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing.
Enjoy!!!!!" 14 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
100- Owl (COLA): "You have interacted with me often enough to know
that
I never initiate personal attacks. I generally respond in kind. It
is
you who usually fall off the civility wagon first, with your
ironically
condescending canned responses that do nothing for your argument and
generally shine a spotlight on the desperation that you are so fearful
of projecting." 5 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8debf93e05da4d26
Owl (COLA): "You are a complete idiot and extremely dishonest.
Consider
yourself permanently plonked." 29 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ba7797c5108b3c10
101- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit,
for whom the work 'troll' seems so painfully inadequate?" 13 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
102- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk> " 27 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/93afdfea4d4f491a
103- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For someone who
talks about everyone else not being "honest and honorable" you appear
to
be the least honest and honorable of anyone here." 22 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
104- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in
Newswatcher
but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten
seconds later and he's gone! Amazing." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
105- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
argument with sandman into the private room." 13 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
106- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely, and
someti...
err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a blue moon he has
something
useful to say." 20 Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a31a47e26c5f5b7
107- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that they were not
different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has
told me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence." 30
Jun
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/cfd5de2006d42fdc
108- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot Glasser is invading this group with
his inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about that
dishonest retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser sock"
30
Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
109- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu". 30 Mar 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3e88e9a86cb5483e
110- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get
superficial snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions." 1 Nov
2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
111- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference a long
standing war you have going with some person from csma. It's like you
single out persons to target your attentions upon and then
continuously
berate them with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their
acrimonious responses, which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad
infinitum. Above all things, your affinity for Macs and your
overbearing
pompous nature aside, this is what convinces me that your primary
purpose for frequenting this and other groups is to troll." 07 Sep
2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
112- RichardK: "Just killfile him already." 20 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c9e7ded2e95a582
113- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You
trash
people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going
on." 06 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
114- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a
troll. I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a
troll, he is ... somewhat clumsy." 22 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
115- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care if you
quote Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the
shell of a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk
of
looking ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that's
your goal, you're on the right track, and more power to you." 11 Jan
2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
116- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's thing
is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man.
That's enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
RonB: (COLA): "Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no
point,
he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron's
'you're a liar' mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays."
27
May 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
RonB (COLA): "Original subject line now killfiled. You can only talk
about the freaking clipboard for so many million freaking messages. As
I
said, Snit has no common-sense, STOP mechanism. He's a mechanically
obsessive super crank and will go on forever. I'm not kidding about
this, he will *NEVER* *ever* stop." 6 Mar 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/0df1e0164a8b586e
117- Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir boys." 14
Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
118- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to
generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and
how it can help you and your supposed users why aren't you requesting
help from a more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As
the old saying goes, those who can do, those who can't teach. Your
posts
seem to confirm that saying IMHO." 12 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
119- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and worthless. You
must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you."
29 Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
120- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY-
of csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news
group before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against
him in just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the
funny
part with Michael is that I actually think he DOESN'T consider himself
be a troll - damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they
are wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour." 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
121- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly,
even
the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense
than
this. You been doing drugs or something?" 25 May 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
122- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit, you're
probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to
remove smut from your harddrive." 21 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
123- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
Snit: "Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me..."
Sermo Malifer: "Because you're a narcissistic troll who posts trash
just
to get people talking about you." 21 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
124- spike1: "As for the original post, there's plenty of reason
thought
and criteria. The reason is snit's here. The thought is probably to
show
everyone here just how bad a troll snit is." 03 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c797d640e3b9fc12
125- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing
anger, i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he
thinks he's making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he's
pretty smart. indeed, he tells us, he's done the personality tests and
the iq tests and he's okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he's soooooooo well
adjusted." 3 Mar 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
126- Steel (COLA): "You may not like the game, but nevertheless, it's
just a game. You play a game yourself don't kid yourself." 14 Oct
2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/be1f49165984c350
127- Steve Carroll: "Snit isn't much more than a one trick pony and
not
telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you've gone
a
long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his
errors is one of the biggest jokes on usenet." 28 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
128- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of
elephant
dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the "Snit
Circus",
but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
elephant dung." 18 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
129- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
for your rediculous argument regarding this." 26 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
130- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit has lost
all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like 'asses'
when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit
have
fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to
feel
embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him
more
happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags)." 27 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
131- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk him
then.
A snit is a snit is a snit and always will be." 15 Aug 2006 (post not
available except in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
132- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): "In other words, in another attempt to
troll, you made yourself look like a fool. Again". 28 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
133- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here,
in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
where I live (well, I /think/...) Or is Snit really just someone whose
HD you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot
of, for lack of a better word, unpleasantness - just from looking at
today's headers." 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
134- The Lost Packet (COLA): "well, he's found a seat in my killbin, I
can't be doing with him." 27 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
135- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're the one
lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to "I'm
right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples someone points at to
demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they
provide no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse
still, you fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to
portray the argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls
that
inhabit CSMA, Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you
are." 23 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
136- Thufir: "You can "prove" that no one has disproved your "proof"?
Again, your assertion that no one has done so is even *less*
convincing
than your claim that some PDF "proves" whatever point you're trying to
make precisely because I'm familiar with your MO. That is, you're a
dumb-ass who would claim that that something is proved when it's not,
and who would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I
don't know what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that
you're
full of shit." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
137-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you see,
you never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why
just
the other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars
(in
this NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar." 13 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
138- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor
sick fool can get attention. My fucking God, he's taken to hanging out
with and supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that
no-one likes him and those that pretend they do are just using him or
don't know him - but come on- it's not his fault. He's sick. Have some
compassion, eh? All these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy,
MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are all so alike. I pity each and every
one of them" 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
139- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way you
could
actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here." 14
Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
140- Timberwoof: "Plonk, Snit." 23 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c8df070c3e776c
141- tom_elam: "Killfile Steve C. and Snit" 07 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b50d0c973d21d995
142- TomB (COLA): "No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to
make me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to
'be right'? If so, you're pathetic. And I don't say this because I
like
to say it." 07 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
143- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one
of
your Circus acts?" 20 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
144- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive "writings". You
give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have
succeeded!
That also goes for all that bullshit on your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
145- Tony(UK) (COLA): "Your email address in your headers just about
sums the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits
involved in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in
doubt,
deride, insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging
me."
10 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
146- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with Snit.
Most
people have him kill-filed and the few who don't mostly restrict
their
responses to 'why don't you go away, no one wants you here'. Just
what
would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be
some kind of severe mental illness." 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
147- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty" are
nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you wish to
define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend
the rules when inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this
reason I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to play your game." 16
May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
148- White Spirit (COLA): "Snit deserves a good beat-down, Rodney King
style. I have had to plonk the worthless piece of Snit to prevent my
monitor being defiled with the presence of his idiotic, narcissistic
tripe." 24 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2e3adbaae4bfb91d
149- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home more
than
he's anywhere near a classroom".
150- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a mental
breakdown
it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked
up
mess he is." 29 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
151- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my
sincere
apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're the first
person to be plonked from my new computer! :-) " 10 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
152- Woofbert: "*Plonk*" 14 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/436e6b5333d747e0
153- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of posts, to
prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like that to people
without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping
Snit
to do a search - you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry
little life." 25 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
154- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global
killfile.
No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye". 11 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
155- Znu: "The Snit Circus has gotten particularly bad as of late.
When
I set up my filters to kill all of Snit's posts, plus direct replies
to
them (which is how I'm keeping things from now on), nearly 40% of the
most recent 1000 articles in CSMA go out the window. .... In all,
something like 50% of the traffic in this group is now related to Snit
insanity. .... I killfile Edwin because I don't have a patience to
have
discussions with someone who deliberately tries to waste my time. But
watching *other people* tie him knots can be entertaining. The
Snit-related posts are not like this. They are endless repetitions of
the exact same material and/or arguments dating back *years* about who
said what." 20 Apr 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9244dd79c682b2d6
156- Kari Lane (COLA): "You are pitiful. And a big pain in the ass.
Without you there might be change to get some real discussion going on
about Linux." 27 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5889b9cdf65c0b44
157- Roy Schestowitz (COLA): "Your neighbour troll has gotten no
attention, so he decided to start spamming our site, having trolled
the
IRC channel. He has just posted 7 non-content self-promotion links in
a
matter of 5 minute (as comments), The trolling and stalking elsewhere
have verged the pathological too. S*it Glasser -- see help. You're
clearly insane." [...] "The Prescott Lunattic has just pasted his
ENTIRE
BLOG into my blog (as comments). If this is not an UBERTROLL, I don't
know what is. 31 Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b66f067167d0d36b
157- Roy Schestowitz (COLA): "He is piggy-backing other people's sites
for attention. Frankly, he's the most disgusting form of troll and no
wonder even the Mac forums disowned him. He's a real-life troll." 31
Aug 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/543bc1b219961b16
158 - 7 (COLA): "You went off topic, run, back down, accepted you are
a
HYPOCRITE, trolled, posted net abuse and underlined your illiterate
character, ignored the answer, made false accusation and trolled
again."
23 Nov 2011
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/7a9240935bfd3ffc
159 - DFS (COLA): "About Snit? If so, I was fooled by him for a long
time, too, mostly because I didn't closely read his threads. I knew
he
liked to split hairs and argue endlessly, so I usually glossed over
his
threads. I didn't realize he would keep babbling "Support your
accusation" even in the face of direct evidence of his lies. Oh well.
I
finally decided to killfile him again (my only entry)." 27 Mar 2012
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d5fff469502bc7ba
160- Torre Starnes (COLA):
DFS: "About Snit?"
Torre Starnes: "Yep. I admit I was sucked in. In the dumper....."
27 Mar 2012
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/81eabc1a75ff01d2
161- clogwog (COLA): "This discussion, a very boring one, is leading
nowhere, please try to accept that cc has his arguments to disagree
with
you." 31 May 2012
https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8bc89787876f55a0
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