A bit of perspective on COLA/CSMA discussions
ZnU
'To keep things simple, I started the conversation by asking: Å‚How many
of your parents use a smartphone?Ë› Not a single student raised their
hand. [...] But then the light bulb went on and I asked: Å‚How many of
your parents have an iPhone?Ë› Nearly two-thirds of the hands went up.'
We spend lots of time in these groups lately talking about "smartphone
platforms", and about "walled gardens" and "software freedom" and the
benefits of vertical integration over multi-vendor hardware platforms
(or vice versa).
Regular people do not think in these terms at all. They think in terms
of _individual products_ and the capabilities that they have. (And they
only understand those capabilities if vendors can effectively
communicate about them. Which most can't.)
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anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Rick
> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/26/smart
>
> 'To keep things simple, I started the conversation by asking: ³How many
> of your parents use a smartphone?² Not a single student raised their
> hand. [...] But then the light bulb went on and I asked: ³How many of
> your parents have an iPhone?² Nearly two-thirds of the hands went up.'
>
> We spend lots of time in these groups lately talking about "smartphone
> platforms", and about "walled gardens" and "software freedom" and the
> benefits of vertical integration over multi-vendor hardware platforms
> (or vice versa).
>
> Regular people do not think in these terms at all. They think in terms
> of _individual products_ and the capabilities that they have. (And they
> only understand those capabilities if vendors can effectively
> communicate about them. Which most can't.)
Regular people don't think about lot of things, nor their consequemces.
They don't vote.
They blame teachers for their children's lack of progress.
They dangerously cut each other off in traffic.
They rail against illegal immigrants taking their jobs... the jobs very
few others will do.
Then they rail against immigration laws, saying they encourage racial
profiling.
They buy houses they can't afford.
They don't care about government surveillance.
They don't care if big companies trade fairly.
They want off shore drilling, until there's a spill.
They don't wind farms, until gas prices rise, and still not in their
sight.
It is what it is.
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Rick
Lusotec
> Regular people don't think about lot of things, nor their consequemces.
>
> They don't vote.
> They blame teachers for their children's lack of progress.
> They dangerously cut each other off in traffic.
> They rail against illegal immigrants taking their jobs... the jobs very
> few others will do.
> Then they rail against immigration laws, saying they encourage racial
> profiling.
> They buy houses they can't afford.
> They don't care about government surveillance.
> They don't care if big companies trade fairly.
> They want off shore drilling, until there's a spill.
> They don't wind farms, until gas prices rise, and still not in their
> sight.
>
> It is what it is.
Demand more/better public services while complaining about taxes.
Loudly protest against air pollution while smoking a cigarette.
Complain about waiting time in hospital urgencies when they should not be
there in the first place.
Transportation accidents is the first cause of deaths for people under 30
(or was it 35) years old, yet many people drive with more alcohol than water
in their blood, have complete disrespect for the speed limits, and generally
could not care less if they *murder* someone with their vehicles.
Complain and protest about jobs being exported, yet don't think twice before
buying cheap goods produce by people earning lousy wages in conditions that
would result in criminally prosecution in Europe or the USA.
Make loans to go on vacations, and spend the rest of the year paying it back
with high interests, to repeat the same next vacation.
Regards.
Snit
6/26/10 12:55 PM:
What a pessimistic world view.
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Priam
> What a pessimistic world view.
Absolutely! Read this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/12697/64833
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/12697/64796
And see how it puts you in a good mood.
XX
"ZnU" <z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
news:znu-398D68.1...@Port80.Individual.NET...
> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/26/smart
>
> 'To keep things simple, I started the conversation by asking: ³How many
> of your parents use a smartphone?² Not a single student raised their
> your parents have an iPhone?² Nearly two-thirds of the hands went up.'
>
> We spend lots of time in these groups lately talking about "smartphone
> platforms", and about "walled gardens" and "software freedom" and the
> benefits of vertical integration over multi-vendor hardware platforms
> (or vice versa).
>
> Regular people do not think in these terms at all. They think in terms
> of _individual products_ and the capabilities that they have. (And they
> only understand those capabilities if vendors can effectively
> communicate about them. Which most can't.)
So the kids don't think of the iPhone as being smart, they think of it as a
frivolous toy. And the two-thirds number sounds like pure, unadulterated
bullshit. And you know it.
MuahMan
But Dude, it comes from flamingfireball.net!!!!! LOL
John Slade
> of your parents use a smartphone?² Not a single student raised their
> your parents have an iPhone?² Nearly two-thirds of the hands went up.'
>
This sounds like a made up story to me. I mean a few kids
would know that the iPhone is a smartphone. Maybe this is a
reflection on how poor our educational system is these days that
these kids don't know what a smartphone is. Maybe he was talking
to kindergartners or first graders, they probably wouldn't know
that the iPhone is a smartphone. Like he said if he asked about
them having a Blackberry someone would have raised their hands.
But I still think this BLOG is a made up story.
John
John Slade
> "ZnU"<z...@fake.invalid> wrote in message
> news:znu-398D68.1...@Port80.Individual.NET...
>> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/26/smart
>>
>> of your parents use a smartphone?Ë› Not a single student raised their
>> your parents have an iPhone?Ë› Nearly two-thirds of the hands went up.'
>>
>> We spend lots of time in these groups lately talking about "smartphone
>> platforms", and about "walled gardens" and "software freedom" and the
>> benefits of vertical integration over multi-vendor hardware platforms
>> (or vice versa).
>>
>> Regular people do not think in these terms at all. They think in terms
>> of _individual products_ and the capabilities that they have. (And they
>> only understand those capabilities if vendors can effectively
>> communicate about them. Which most can't.)
>
>
> So the kids don't think of the iPhone as being smart, they think of it as a
> frivolous toy. And the two-thirds number sounds like pure, unadulterated
> bullshit. And you know it.
>
>
Yea given that the Blackberry is more popular than the
iPhone, doubt this story from a BLOG is true. He doesn't even
say how old the "students" are.
John
ZnU
Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
Moshe
> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
It's a variation on "blame the user" and it's a classic
tactic from the Linux zealot's tool kit.
They do the same with Linux in fact.
Discussion of the advantages of Linux over Windows are
few compared to the numerous "Microsoft sucks, etc" type
posts.
It's sad that the Linux community has so little good to
say about their operating system and prefer to play the
blame game rather than listen to the users and fix what
is wrong with Linux.
When you are a Linux advocate, it's always someone elses
fault.
It's never Linux's fault.
chrisv
>It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
Perhaps it does "figure". That does not make it incorrect.
--
"(Windows' UI is) Much, much cleaner than Gnome's. And no surprising
of course : MS have far bigger pockets for paying progressional
designers." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
Snit
10:10 AM:
> ZnU wrote:
>
>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
>
> Perhaps it does "figure". That does not make it incorrect.
Nor does it make it correct... and the fact that the general assumption that
the problem with Linux / Linux adoption (at least on the desktop) is that
people are stupid is a cop-out. It allows Rick and others who make /
support such arguments to keep their very external locus of control. If you
and Rick and others in the Linux "advocate" group could game a more internal
locus of control for yourself and for the products you support then you
would be able to be *much* better advocates for it.
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JEDIDIAH
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:44:20 -0400, ZnU wrote:
>
>
>
>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
>
> It's a variation on "blame the user" and it's a classic
> tactic from the Linux zealot's tool kit.
It's like the original article implied.
It's not that there's any "blame" to be assigned here.
The average consumer simply doesn't care.
All of the fanboy drooling is lost on them.
The fact that it is a "smart phone" is probably not meaningful.
[deletia]
Although the blogger could have approached the question from a functional
perspective and probably could have gotten a lot more useful information
out of it and it wouldn't have been just a mindless fanboy fluff piece.
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hours of DV video then you obviously haven't used iMovie either. / | \
Rick
First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say... disiinterested.
And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with my
choice of operating system.
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Rick
Rick
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:44:20 -0400, ZnU wrote:
>
>
>
>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
>
> It's a variation on "blame the user" and it's a classic tactic from the
> Linux zealot's tool kit.
>
> They do the same with Linux in fact.
Go feed your cats, lady.
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Rick
Rick
So, Snit... if the quality of the product is as important as you seem to
believe, why doesn't Apple have 90+% of the desktop market. And don't try
using your "they don't target it" BS.
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Rick
Snit
6/28/10 12:39 PM:
Ah, next you will want to know why Apple does not have 90+% of the toaster
oven market... and no "BS" about how they do not target that market!
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Snit
6/28/10 12:36 PM:
>>> It is what it is.
>>
>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
>
> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
Herd mentality.
> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say... disiinterested.
In what? They are interested in saving money... and yet for their desktops,
by and large, they do not select Linux which can be had for *free*. You
then try to compare this to OS X which has more desktop users and is almost
always over $1000... hardly an impulse purchase for most!
> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with my
> choice of operating system.
Sure it does: instead of looking at your systems you blame people. This has
been pointed out to you many times.
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Rick
> Rick stated in post Vt6dnVzk37gkZLXR...@supernews.com on
> 6/28/10 12:36 PM:
>
>>>> It is what it is.
>>>
>>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>>> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
>>
>> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>
> Herd mentality.
Idiot. 1 is not a crowd. Buy a clue.
>
>> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
>> disiinterested.
>
> In what?
Statistically... almost everything.
> They are interested in saving money...
Why, then, is the savings rate in the US so dismal? Why has it been low
for years?
> and yet for their
> desktops, by and large, they do not select Linux which can be had for
> *free*.
The reasons for this have been pointed out to you. You dismiss them.
> You then try to compare this to OS X which has more desktop
> users and is almost always over $1000... hardly an impulse purchase for
> most!
I don't see that in the above quoted text. Are you mixing messages again?
I think you are.
>
>> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with
>> my choice of operating system.
>
> Sure it does:
No, it doesn't. Your saying so doesn't make it so.
> instead of looking at your systems you blame people. This
> has been pointed out to you many times.
And you being wrong has been pointed out to you many times.
And, BTW, I am not interested in getting into one of your Snit Circuses.
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Rick
Rick
Maybe you didn't understand. I'll restate it for you (that's sarcasm,
Snit)...
if the quality of the product is as important as you seem to believe, why
doesn't Apple have 90+% of the desktop market. And don't try using your
"they don't target it" BS.
--
Rick
Snit
6/28/10 4:06 PM:
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:13:33 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Rick stated in post Vt6dnVzk37gkZLXR...@supernews.com on
>> 6/28/10 12:36 PM:
>>
>>>>> It is what it is.
>>>>
>>>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are stupid"
>>>> rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong things".
>>>
>>> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>
>> Herd mentality.
>
> Idiot. 1 is not a crowd. Buy a clue.
Since you missed it: it is herd mentality that allows people to know that
when one of the he herd does something the rest of the herd is likely to do
much the same or, at least, not question it and tacitly support it.
The idea that one is a crowd is your own idea... one you falsely attributed
to me based on your lack of understanding. But do not worry - your herd
will not call you on it. You can bet on that!
>>> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
>>> disiinterested.
>>
>> In what?
>
> Statistically... almost everything.
Well, sure, there are more topics any one of us is not interested in than
ones we are interested in. But people often are interested in the
technology they use.
>> They are interested in saving money...
>
> Why, then, is the savings rate in the US so dismal? Why has it been low
> for years?
Ah, you missed the meaning of that, too. They are interested in getting
things for the lowest price. This is *especially* true in times of a poor
economy. Sure, they are *also* interested in convenience, what serves them
well, etc.
>> and yet for their desktops, by and large, they do not select Linux which can
>> be had for *free*.
>>
> The reasons for this have been pointed out to you. You dismiss them.
I know many of the reasons and have pointed them out... yet bow you say I
"dismiss" them. This is dishonest of you.
>> You then try to compare this to OS X which has more desktop users and is
>> almost always over $1000... hardly an impulse purchase for most!
>>
> I don't see that in the above quoted text. Are you mixing messages again? I
> think you are.
I am talking about your recent comments... but you cannot keep your story
straight even in a single discussion, no less from one to the next.
>>> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with
>>> my choice of operating system.
>>
>> Sure it does:
>
> No, it doesn't. Your saying so doesn't make it so.
Nobody said *anyone* saying *anything* makes it so. You made that up. You
do that a lot. When you are clearly lost you just make things up. It is
rather funny to watch. You think you are being clever in obfuscating you
ignorance but you are just highlighting it.
>> instead of looking at your systems you blame people. This
>> has been pointed out to you many times.
>
> And you being wrong has been pointed out to you many times.
Such as? Not that I have not been shown to be wrong, but you cannot find
any relevant examples. This is clear.
> And, BTW, I am not interested in getting into one of your Snit Circuses.
LOL! Poor Rick... such an external locus of control you have. You just
blame everyone and everything else other than you and the things you like.
It is oh so predictable.
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Snit
6/28/10 4:08 PM:
Oh, I understand that you are setting up un-real conditions and then
insisting I must accept them and answer based on your mistaken ideas. I get
that very well.
> if the quality of the product is as important as you seem to believe, why
> doesn't Apple have 90+% of the desktop market. And don't try using your
> "they don't target it" BS.
You just said the same thing. Again: Apple does not have a high percentage
of the toaster oven market. Nor do they try to. Why do you keep asking
about markets they are not in or are barely in?
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High Plains Thumper
> Rick stated:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Rick stated:
>>>
>>>>>> It is what it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People
>>>>> are stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing
>>>>> on the wrong things".
>>>>
>>>> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>>
>>> Herd mentality.
>>
>> Idiot. 1 is not a crowd. Buy a clue.
>
> Since you missed it: it is herd mentality that allows people to know
> that when one of the he herd does something the rest of the herd is
> likely to do much the same or, at least, not question it and tacitly
> support it.
>
> The idea that one is a crowd is your own idea... one you falsely
> attributed to me based on your lack of understanding. But do not
> worry - your herd will not call you on it. You can bet on that!
Let me guess, there is only one herd; Snit, ceed, Joel Crump, Rhino
Plastee, Thundercleats, Brock McNuggets, Sigmund and ad nauseum, LOL!
<SNIP>
>> And, BTW, I am not interested in getting into one of your Snit
>> Circuses.
>
> LOL! Poor Rick... such an external locus of control you have. You
> just blame everyone and everything else other than you and the things
> you like. It is oh so predictable.
And thus, the Snit Circus of Pathological lies continues as demonstrated
by these 138 poster comments:
1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member area and a
login. If you forget your password, you can ask it to e-mail it to you,
and a bot will send an e-mail. *That* is the e-mail Snit got from
Sandman's website, and yes he's that fucked in the head and starved for
attention that he'd claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So,
don't get sucked into his little circus. The e-mail, in this particular
instance, did probably originate from Sandman.net." 27 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dac74355552b4cc7
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour
and not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you'd leave
too. Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I
have never made the same wish of him." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, you
are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
newsgroup." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
4- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers to weasel
out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole." 25 Jun 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
5- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not
just let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you are?
You could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above the
low level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop...." 26 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
6- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If yes, then
troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire, but
it's fixed now." 13 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
7- BaJoRi:
Snit: "You are, of course, lying."
BaJoRi: "No, I am not. You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who
has read your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be
wrong, then added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be
a fool. You need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you
are an intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar." 11 Nov 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
8- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group can be
if you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don't do
the same.." 5 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
9- Bob S: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group, but
since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
discussion about anything." 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for some reason, some people
just can't stop feeding him."
10- �b� unny: Subject "snit makes me sad", Text "really actually =:-("
9 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
11- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill..."
12- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls' ... in
the groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like
snit would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn't see his posts, only
your reply".
13- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him 'shit', and rightly so, for they
way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot, and
simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It's now far too late
to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him..." 12 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
14- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time for you to
learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
Usenet browser has a kill-filter." 5 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
15- cc (COLA): "Snit posts all the time. You don't have to dig up months
old articles where he brings up years old topics. Just respond to a
current message." 22 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5a712e3312ba9f8a
Snit: "And, yes, I know the facts will go over your head. You are an
insane moron... and you have nothing of value to say. Here: you will
prove it with your response and I will merely note you did so. 100%
predictable."
cc: "What facts? The fact that you don't know what a hypothetical
situation is? The fact that you can't answer any questions? The fact
that you continue to run away when faced with simple questions? I am
100% predictable to you because you simply cannot understand what has
been placed in front of you. It's all just a jumble of words to your
pea-sized brain, and therefore it always looks the same." 15 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f6ce4429806e9de6
Snit: "Do you realize how clear it is your whole goal is just to get the
last word?"
cc: "Now that's hilarious!" .... "You are incapable of letting anything
go. In fact, I guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours.
Hell, I'd be surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really
wanted to, I could make this little side topic go on forever, because
you are a complete moron who just has to respond to anything written
about or to you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
16- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for you to "win"
an argument? They don't like you, you don't like them. Why must you keep
this up? What results are you expecting?"
17- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The archives
show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your
list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it any
further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
problem". 22 Nov 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
18- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "I try to go more by the contents of the
posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is not
worth the effort." 14 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
19- Dawg Tail: "You've already apologized for having already misread
what I had previously written. What makes you think that you're
correctly understanding what I'm writting now. You've got a history of
reading into things what you wanted people to have said instead of what
they really said.
I suggest you get over this limitation of yours. It's making you look
foolish."
Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all of
them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many diverse
people who share a common perception where do you think the problem
lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn't require an
advanced degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
20- Dave Fritzinger: "[snip of stuff I really don't care to read] Snit,
please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
please, please, GO AWAY!!!!" 2 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
21- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought you
knew what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was presented
to you. I guess I had too much confidence in you." 30 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
22- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and
loser you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i
stop responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up
responding as if you were a normal person. i suppose it's tough for the
magnitude of your 'loserdom' to stick, so it loses some of it's
sharpness when i stop responding to you. you almost always start
responding back in a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it's
once again that time. i can only ask that you pass my condolences to
your wife and unborn child for having to put up with such a dishonest
fool as yourself. (well, if your wife is a loser as well, just pass
those condolences to the rug-rat to be; if not, double condolences to
her). " 30 Apr 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
23- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest liar
in Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
24- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger, and you've
almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of
out of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies
labled as a "peace effort" has to be one of the craziest stunts you've
pulled. It's all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
center stage at all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought it
would make people look at you." 18 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
25- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see a
doctor." 24 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
26- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to the points in
my post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
childishly typical of you, Snit." 16 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
27- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled since the
first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do like Snit'. As far
as I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist." 15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
28- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides
the typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like
being in a room of really young children trying there best to best the
other person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you. I
hate to be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle
of a great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs and
more about "look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no end then all
this picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always
been al little adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the
point that this place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping CSMA
and making this place your own personal circus." 12 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
29- Geezer:
Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality"
Geezer: "Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who uncover
his lies and deceit;)"
Snit: "and no clue about the law."
Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are "proof".
LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported lies)' 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
30- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): "The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
how stupid he is... What a mar00n". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
31- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit
(AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you crazy
with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any
cost. He will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is
to hit and run. NEVER engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that
will only anger you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27
Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
32- gimme_this_gimme_t...@yahoo.com: "Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?"
4 Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
33- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone else
notices that you are not honest and you have no honor." 21 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
34- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads, are
you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor people
cause that's just retarded but if you dont fix it I'm gonna have to
cause I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your
client or something". 12 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
35- Hadron (COLA):
Snit: "Now why not end your silliness and either just stop your BS or
actually give reasoned comments on the screen shots you keep asking for
and I keep providing?
Hadron: "err, he just did. And you snipped it all you weasel." 30 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/de49f2b7471d2e1a
Snit: "Sigh: 100% predictable, you will not answer *any* question I just
asked. You will run... your whole goal is to beg for attention, not to
make or support a point."
Hadron: "nice. You made it into my new killfile. Jesus, stop repeating
the same garbage." 6 Apr 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c86ab53a759ea728
Hadron (COLA): "... your constant repetition could send an acid tab to
sleep ... Why not do yourself and the rest of us a favour and kill file
the dickhead?" 09 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6533c646468adc42
36- Henry Flam: "Who gives a damn about this shit? Snit, once in a
while, I make the mistake in thinking that that you are starting to make
sense in your posts; I tend to agree with your politics. Then you post
stuff like this and it destroys any respect that I have for you." 16
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f048bedfe0d67d66
Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must a deeply troubled individual who
has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with the points above. I
don't care about them. Your constant complaints, whines, rages, etc.,
wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as trolls, arise
from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit around you.
People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept that. Snit I
feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your solipsism.
There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
37- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*"
38- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
"synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt
to maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such, I
consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me.
This is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the
reminder that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word
"responsible".' 25 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
39- High Plains Thumper: "I can understand why posters get sick and
tired of your lame ad hominem attacks, your cowardly statements shifting
the goal posts, your continuous rambling drivel of how everyone seems to
be against you. No one cares a wooden nickel about your incessant flame
wars that are self created. You pretend to be an advocate but you
manage to cause everyone's hand to be against you." 6 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b27ba196819ad38f
High Plains Thumper: "So Snit thinks that no one can see through his
lies, his deceptions, his history of forged evidence from his website,
his history of trolling CSMA and COLA, his history of sock puppets, to
name a few. It reminds me of my son when he was 2 years old. He'd hide
from us by sticking his head behind furniture with the rest of his body
sticking out in plain sight. He thought we could not see him. So it is
with Snit." 16 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/559d59406d6a6c3c
40- Homer (COLA):
HPT: "Snit in a period of 2 minutes has copied a post of mine, posting
the same following message over and over, in false pretense as a Linux
advocate."
Homer: "That kind of behaviour is not normal, to say the least. I don't
mean this as a personal insult, but I'm perfectly serious when I say
'Snit' (Michael Glasser) is obviously mentally ill, and needs help. I
was going to suggest that someone alerts his wife to the problem, but I
have to assume she's already aware of his condition, if she is in fact
still living with him. It's possible, I suppose, that he's already
undergoing counselling and/or on medication, but if he is then it
doesn't seem to be helping much. Maybe he just missed his 'meds' today
(again, I mean that sincerely). 26 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
41- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for a
long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
morons, but I've never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of
his opponents. A good kill file is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
hophead: "It's best to killfile snit, and if you can, set up a filter to
kill any responses to snit. Or (as I've been forced to do) killfile
those who insist on responding to him. Yes, you do miss some advocacy
from some of those people, but the joy of not seeing snit or any
responses to him far outweighs the cost. Of course, snit also uses
sockpuppets. They are pretty easy to identify fortunately and are easily
killed as well." 19 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d0cb5d4f4d1cba91
42- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable to offer
support for your statements, you're reduced to personal attacks on me.
Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state
as facts can be true. I'm really sorry that you're taking this attitude,
the topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some
insights. I've snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and avoid
answering any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just
repeated." 6 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
43- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid people on
usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh
your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over. Either
you're a super troll, or you're a super mess." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
44- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit."
45- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git." 23 Dec 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
46- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won't help me achieve
a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and
those kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as this."
18 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
47- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you accomplishing
besides being annoying? Is that your goal?" 25 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
48- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush mentioned in
it? You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack
threads."
49- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're involved in
seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and
stop this crap. Try. How about it?" 25 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
50- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I suppose."
"Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for
his claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean,
you *are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?" 8 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
51- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to fall -
in a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'" 23 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
52- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What are you
bitching about?"
53- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice- more like a
black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain an
unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up? Please??"
11 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
54- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's postings
since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to filter his posts, I
just consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his name."
7 Jan 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
55- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be shocked that
he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
repairman and teacher. He's just plain loony and best ignored. Let him
deal with his disorder by medication. He's here to do one thing, get
attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what he's
counting on, he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes to get a rise
out of people like you. Ignore him, you won't regret it." 3 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
"Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding drinking booze
to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of my killfile? Oh
well back into the cage you go, PLONK." 13 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
56- Josh McKee: "Snit, I assume there was some point to this posting?
Because I certainly cannot find it."
57- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that even
though the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot is
mostly being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers that
keep replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this
place could be worth coming back to. There's a good chance he'll pack up
and take his trolling to more fertile ground." 22 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
58- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence with
"Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.' 29 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
59- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother reading
the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how to support your position,
instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping it'll
all go away." 7 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
60- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for ad hominem
attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks. You
make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You're a
liar and a hypocrite and you always have been." 14 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
61- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid." 7 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
62- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time, but
the few times you post something worth reading just aren't worth it
anymore. *plonk*" 16 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
63- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact you've been
an annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense of
trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is trashtalk
about Linux and you acting every bit the troll." 16 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
64-libcrushersmith: "Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS News
and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
changes the subject and will never admit he's wrong." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
65- libsnightmare:
Snit: "Who said Bush did not flip flop?"
libsnightmare: "Never said that. I put back in what you cut out. He
never flip-flopped on the war, even when it was unpopular, like "Kerry
and all the other libs" did. You're a sore loser who has resorted to
fifth grade tactics. How fucking sad - all this clown has left is to
edit posts and post fake bullshit. You can't debate... so you lie. Once
again, you have proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad..." 4 May 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
66- Linonut (cola): "Snit is a Tholenoid."
"Indeed. Snit may be the first retraction of my general killfile
amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping,
back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that
effete candy-ass beggars belief". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
67- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most cretinous,
I would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)" 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
68- Lewis: "hasn't this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I
don't think anything is ever going to fix snit." 02 Mar 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
69- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would
be impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual
dishonesty ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very keen
on proverbs, and I recall her going over the "cry wolf" story. Mr
Glasser could "cry wolf" over and over now, and I would not come to help
him with his sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if he's
ever telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has." 2 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
70- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it to this
post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a DVD
of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got
mad because we quit making him the center of attention and made that kid
on the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life." 30 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
71- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone refutes your
'facts', you run away and ignore them. Refuting your 'facts' is easily
done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it." 9 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
72- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All I see you
doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You're the
TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not* a compliment!" 8 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
73- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I can
only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged
you actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek
professional help."
"The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made no
threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point, Elizabot
was suddenly "threatening" to you. In so much as you had to take your
kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they
have Kook with a capital "K" written at the top of your profile, Snit."
2 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
74- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious. Treat
him the same way, look but just keep moving on." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
75- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are
off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly
show that you are crying out for attention." 20 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
76- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact that your
obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
Killfilling someone generally implies you're ignoring that person, yet
you piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
website's validation status more often than most people check their
e-mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual."
19 Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
77- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
kindergarten and see if the kids there can't teach you a thing or two
about social behavior." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
78- Muahman: "Ummm, dude you post 1000 posts a day. 999 of them are
trolls, if anyone here has issues it's not me." 24 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad9daff74ee1e0bd
Muahman: "LOL, everyone hates Snit. I know I'd push him in front of a
bus if I could." 15 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e5ee46bf5bf04d00
Muahman: "Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard circus!!!
I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that
automatically means it's in the toilet." 8 Jul 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
79- Mutley (AUK):
Snit: "None are supportable. None are real. HPT made them up and is
scared to even try to support them. He knows he cannot. He knows his
lies are being shoved in his face and that people are laughing at his
failure. I know I am. He is a sad pathetic little man."
Mutley: "For the record ... I'll be done when I decide that there's more
shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe." 01 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
80- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't convinced that
snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly am
now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?" 29 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
81- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got a wry sense
of humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way you're just a waste of
time, and you've done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool.
Then you revel in wallowing in your own filth." 14 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
82- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
children in the back seat of the family car saying:
Mom, 'snits' touching me ... and you responding much as you do now ...
I'm not touching you, you're touching me! The problem is that by now you
should've grown out of that type of poke and complain interaction with
others. But, of course, you've haven't learned how to interact with
others in a more 'constructive' and mutually beneficial manner even
now." 03 Jul 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
83- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I killfiled
him?" 27 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
84- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and desire
to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things." 2 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
85- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending Author,
example Snit... Go to the Filters Menu, Choose 'Kill this Author'
Click 'OK' Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice. Then
to see your work... Choose the Filter Menu again, Then 'Refilter
Articles'... Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing.
Enjoy!!!!!" 14 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
86- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit,
for whom the work 'troll' seems so painfully inadequate?" 13 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
87- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk> "
88- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For someone who
talks about everyone else not being "honest and honorable" you appear to
be the least honest and honorable of anyone here." 22 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
89- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in Newswatcher
but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten
seconds later and he's gone! Amazing." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
90- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
argument with sandman into the private room." 13 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
91- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely, and someti...
err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a blue moon he has something
useful to say."
92- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that they were not
different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has
told me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence."
93- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot is a hideous troll. Nobody is as
dishonest as that piece of unadultered garbage. There are csma posters
even more stupid than Snot. Oxford comes to mind. There are certainly
other csma posters who lie nearly as much. But no others are so intent
on trolling in whatever way possible as Snot" 15 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3409d9582dcebd25
ceed: "Oh please, I have heard how stupid he is and his real name tons
of time. It's getting old."
Peter K�hlmann: "It is not old enough. Snot Glasser is invading this
group with his inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about
that dishonest retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser
sock" 30 Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
94- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu".
95- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get superficial
snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
96- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference a long
standing war you have going with some person from csma. It's like you
single out persons to target your attentions upon and then continuously
berate them with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their
acrimonious responses, which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad
infinitum. Above all things, your affinity for Macs and your overbearing
pompous nature aside, this is what convinces me that your primary
purpose for frequenting this and other groups is to troll." 07 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
97- RichardK: "Just killfile him already."
98- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You trash
people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going
on." 06 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
99- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a troll.
I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a troll, he is
... somewhat clumsy." 22 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
100- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care if you
quote Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the
shell of a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk of
looking ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that's
your goal, you're on the right track, and more power to you." 11 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
101- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's thing is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man.
That's enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
RonB: (COLA): "Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no point,
he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron's
'you're a liar' mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays." 27
May 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
102- Rotten Apple:
Snit: "The truth? Carroll has openly admitted he does what he accuses
others of... now there is evidence he is committing identity theft - the
very thing he accuses me of based on his claiming I am not the person he
has tracked me down to be."
Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir boys." 14 Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
Snit: "No need for him to worry - unlike him, I would not even threaten
to contact his wife. I simply will not sink to his level. I suspect
his wife will find out anyway - people are not as stupid as he wants
them to be."
Rotten Apple: "Your meds are really kicking your ass!" 15 Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5e414c27d6357a4a
103- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to
generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and
how it can help you and your supposed users why aren't you requesting
help from a more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As
the old saying goes, those who can do, those who can't teach. Your posts
seem to confirm that saying IMHO." 12 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
104- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and worthless. You
must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you."
29 Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
105- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY-
of csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news
group before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against
him in just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the funny
part with Michael is that I actually think he DOESN'T consider himself
be a troll - damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they
are wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour." 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
106- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly, even
the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense than
this. You been doing drugs or something?" 25 May 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
107- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit, you're
probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to
remove smut from your harddrive." 21 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
108- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
Snit: "Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me..."
Sermo Malifer: "Because you're a narcissistic troll who posts trash just
to get people talking about you." 21 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
109- spike1: "The thought is probably to show everyone here just how bad
a troll snit is".
110- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing
anger, i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he
thinks he's making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he's
pretty smart. indeed, he tells us, he's done the personality tests and
the iq tests and he's okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he's soooooooo well
adjusted." 3 Mar 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
111- Steve Carroll: "Snit isn't much more than a one trick pony and not
telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you've gone a
long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his
errors is one of the biggest jokes on usenet." 28 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
112- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of elephant
dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the "Snit Circus",
but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
elephant dung." 18 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
Welcome to the Snit circus, where the popcorn and cotton candy are
stale, and the smell of elephant dung is everywhere. 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/614daf295b50413f
113- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
for your rediculous argument regarding this." 26 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
114- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit has lost
all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like 'asses'
when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit have
fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to feel
embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him more
happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags)." 27 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
115- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk him then.
A snit is a snit is a snit and always will be." 15 Aug 2006 (post not
available except in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
116- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): "In other words, in another attempt to
troll, you made yourself look like a fool. Again". 28 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
117- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here, in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
where I live (well, I /think/...) Or is Snit really just someone whose
HD you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot
of, for lack of a better word, unpleasantness - just from looking at
today's headers." 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
118- The Lost Packet (COLA): "well, he's found a seat in my killbin, I
can't be doing with him." 27 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
119- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're the one
lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to "I'm
right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples someone points at to
demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they
provide no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse
still, you fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to
portray the argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls that
inhabit CSMA, Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you
are." 23 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
120- Thufir: "It's based on *your* MO that I, at least, have no problem
in stating that you're full of shit on nearly any topic. I've observed
your bullshit, and based on that pattern of bullshit, infer that you're
full of it. Your MO is the evidence, the logic is an inference based on
the evidence." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c89d3cf79e806e5f
Thufir: "You can "prove" that no one has disproved your "proof"? Again,
your assertion that no one has done so is even *less* convincing than
your claim that some PDF "proves" whatever point you're trying to make
precisely because I'm familiar with your MO. That is, you're a dumb-ass
who would claim that that something is proved when it's not, and who
would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I don't know
what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that you're full of
shit." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
121-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you see,
you never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why just
the other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars (in
this NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar." 13 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
122- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor
sick fool can get attention. My fucking God, he's taken to hanging out
with and supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that
no-one likes him and those that pretend they do are just using him or
don't know him - but come on- it's not his fault. He's sick. Have some
compassion, eh? All these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy,
MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are all so alike. I pity each and every
one of them" 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
123- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way you could
actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here." 14 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
124- Timberwoof: "*Plonk!*"
125- TomB (COLA): "No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to
make me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to
'be right'? If so, you're pathetic. And I don't say this because I like
to say it." 07 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
126- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one of
your Circus acts?" 20 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
127- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive "writings". You
give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have succeeded!
That also goes for all that bullshit on your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
128- Tony(UK) (COLA): "Your email address in your headers just about
sums the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits
involved in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in doubt,
deride, insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging me."
10 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
129- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with Snit. Most
people have him kill-filed and the few who don't mostly restrict their
responses to 'why don't you go away, no one wants you here'. Just what
would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be
some kind of severe mental illness." 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
130- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty" are
nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you wish to
define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend
the rules when inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this
reason I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to play your game." 16
May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
131- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home more than
he's anywhere near a classroom".
132- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a mental breakdown
it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked up
mess he is." 29 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
133- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my sincere
apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're the first
person to be plonked from my new computer! :-) " 10 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
134- Woofbert: "*Plonk*"
135- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of posts, to
prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like that to people
without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping Snit
to do a search - you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry
little life." 25 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
136- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global killfile.
No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye". 11 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
137- Znu: "I think your 'I'll go start a new thread to try to draw more
people into the debate I'm currently having with Steve/Elizabot/etc'
tactic is fairly trollish."
138- McGarnagle:
Steve Carroll: "You aren't the first person Snit has lied to... and you
won't be the last. Here are comments by some of the people he duped for
a time."
McGarnagle: "Very impressive. And you know when Snit is endorsed by two
of the biggest nutjobs in AGA - RichL and El Kabong - you know he's not
very bright and a loon." 31 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
--
HPT
Snit
on 6/28/10 10:14 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>> Rick stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> Rick stated:
>>>>
>>>>>>> It is what it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People
>>>>>> are stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing
>>>>>> on the wrong things".
>>>>>
>>>>> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>>>
>>>> Herd mentality.
>>>
>>> Idiot. 1 is not a crowd. Buy a clue.
>>
>> Since you missed it: it is herd mentality that allows people to know
>> that when one of the he herd does something the rest of the herd is
>> likely to do much the same or, at least, not question it and tacitly
>> support it.
>>
>> The idea that one is a crowd is your own idea... one you falsely
>> attributed to me based on your lack of understanding. But do not
>> worry - your herd will not call you on it. You can bet on that!
>
> Let me guess, there is only one herd; Snit, ceed, Joel Crump, Rhino
> Plastee, Thundercleats, Brock McNuggets, Sigmund and ad nauseum, LOL!
Seriously: seek help.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper stated:
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Since you missed it: it is herd mentality that allows people to
>>> know that when one of the he herd does something the rest of the
>>> herd is likely to do much the same or, at least, not question it
>>> and tacitly support it.
>>>
>>> The idea that one is a crowd is your own idea... one you falsely
>>> attributed to me based on your lack of understanding. But do
>>> not worry - your herd will not call you on it. You can bet on
>>> that!
>>
>> Let me guess, there is only one herd; Snit, ceed, Joel Crump,
>> Rhino Plastee, Thundercleats, Brock McNuggets, Sigmund and ad
>> nauseum, LOL!
>
> Seriously: seek help.
Stop projecting, LOL.
Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must [be] a deeply troubled
individual who has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with the
points above. I don't care about them. Your constant complaints, whines,
rages, etc., wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as
trolls, arise from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit
around you. People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept
that. Snit I feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your
solipsism. There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail." 18
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
--
HPT
Snit
6/28/10 10:52 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since you missed it: it is herd mentality that allows people to
>>>> know that when one of the he herd does something the rest of the
>>>> herd is likely to do much the same or, at least, not question it
>>>> and tacitly support it.
>>>>
>>>> The idea that one is a crowd is your own idea... one you falsely
>>>> attributed to me based on your lack of understanding. But do
>>>> not worry - your herd will not call you on it. You can bet on
>>>> that!
>>>
>>> Let me guess, there is only one herd; Snit, ceed, Joel Crump,
>>> Rhino Plastee, Thundercleats, Brock McNuggets, Sigmund and ad
>>> nauseum, LOL!
>>
>> Seriously: seek help.
>
> Stop projecting, LOL.
It is you, not I, who wrote the insanity above.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
ZnU
Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
It wasn't one person.
> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say... disiinterested.
>
> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with my
> choice of operating system.
It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences. I'm merely
posting this as a way of illustrating just how unrepresentative those
preferences are.
Rick
You were talking to me. I am one person.
>
>> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
>> disinterested.
>>
>> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with
>> my choice of operating system.
>
> It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
> sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
> their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
personal preferences.
The same can be said for many subsets of populations.
> I'm merely
> posting this as a way of illustrating just how unrepresentative those
> preferences are.
Yes, I understand my opinions are not representative of the "general
population" of "the Western world".
--
Rick
-hh
> ZnU wrote:
> > Â Rick wrote:
> >> ZnU wrote:
> >> >
> >> > It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are
> >> > stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong
> >> > things".
>
> >> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>
> > It wasn't one person.
>
> You were talking to me. I am one person.
Check the archives: Lusotec also replied to the thread.
> >> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
> >> disinterested.
>
> >> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with
> >> my choice of operating system.
>
> > It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
> > sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
> > their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
>
> It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
> market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
> personal preferences.
>
> The same can be said for many subsets of populations.
...which includes the COLA posters.
> > I'm merely
> > posting this as a way of illustrating just how unrepresentative those
> > preferences are.
>
> Yes, I understand my opinions are not representative of the "general
> population" of "the Western world".
But will that insight moderate in any way what one then chooses to say
& post? :-)
-hh
Rick
> Rick <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> ZnU wrote:
>> > Â Rick wrote:
>> >> ZnU wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are
>> >> > stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the
>> >> > wrong things".
>>
>> >> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>
>> > It wasn't one person.
>>
>> You were talking to me. I am one person.
>
> Check the archives: Lusotec also replied to the thread.
Check the thread... Znu wrote, Rick wrote, Znu wrote.
>
>> >> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
>> >> disinterested.
>>
>> >> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do
>> >> with my choice of operating system.
>>
>> > It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
>> > sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
>> > their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
>>
>> It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
>> market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
>> personal preferences.
>>
>> The same can be said for many subsets of populations.
>
> ...which includes the COLA posters.
And CSMA posters.
>
>> > I'm merely
>> > posting this as a way of illustrating just how unrepresentative those
>> > preferences are.
>>
>> Yes, I understand my opinions are not representative of the "general
>> population" of "the Western world".
>
> But will that insight moderate in any way what one then chooses to say &
> post? :-)
More the opposite, I fear :-)
> -hh
--
Rick
-hh
> -hh wrote:
> > Rick <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> >> ZnU wrote:
> >> > Â Rick wrote:
> >> >> ZnU wrote:
>
> >> >> > It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are
> >> >> > stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the
> >> >> > wrong things".
>
> >> >> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>
> >> > It wasn't one person.
>
> >> You were talking to me. I am one person.
>
> > Check the archives: Â Lusotec also replied to the thread.
>
> Check the thread... Znu wrote, Rick wrote, Znu wrote.
Agreed, which means that the phrase "The CSMA Crowd" could have also
been used as a generalization, if there was any reason to refer to
that group.
> >> >> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
> >> >> disinterested.
>
> >> >> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do
> >> >> with my choice of operating system.
>
> >> > It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
> >> > sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
> >> > their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
>
> >> It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
> >> market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
> >> personal preferences.
>
> >> The same can be said for many subsets of populations.
>
> > ...which includes the COLA posters.
>
> And CSMA posters.
And that does indeed happen. YMMV on if it happens with sufficiently
adequate disclaimers often enough.
> >> > I'm merely
> >> > posting this as a way of illustrating just how unrepresentative those
> >> > preferences are.
>
> >> Yes, I understand my opinions are not representative of the "general
> >> population" of "the Western world".
>
> > But will that insight moderate in any way what one then chooses to say &
> > post? Â :-)
>
> More the opposite, I fear :-)
And thus perhaps a difference between COLA & CSMA posters?
FWIW, its easy to caveat this with a "not counting the respective
trolls for each, of course", but the challenge (for both) is the
degree to which it may be appropriate to similarly apply to the
flamingly irrational kooks...of both.
-hh
ZnU
Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
I was posting to a public newsgroup.
> >> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
> >> disinterested.
> >>
> >> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with
> >> my choice of operating system.
> >
> > It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
> > sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
> > their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
>
> It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
> market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
> personal preferences.
Perhaps. Personally, I make them on the basis of a detailed
understanding of the industry I have formulated though close observation
over the last 12 years or so.
[snip]
Snit
6/29/10 12:21 AM:
...
>>>>> It is what it is.
>>>>
>>>> It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are
>>>> stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the wrong
>>>> things".
>>>
>>> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>
>> It wasn't one person.
>
> You were talking to me. I am one person.
But your herd is more than one person. How, Rick, would your herd be just
one person? Remember: you made that claim up... but you will run when asked
what you are talking about.
And you will make personal attacks. You are very predictable.
Oh, and it just as predictable that your herd will not speak out against
your BS here. Amazing, isn't it. :)
>>> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
>>> disinterested.
>>>
>>> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do with
>>> my choice of operating system.
>>
>> It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
>> sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
>> their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
>
> It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
> market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
> personal preferences.
Can you show examples of this? I bet not!
> The same can be said for many subsets of populations.
>
>> I'm merely
>> posting this as a way of illustrating just how unrepresentative those
>> preferences are.
>
> Yes, I understand my opinions are not representative of the "general
> population" of "the Western world".
Of course not... you parrot your herd's opinions in mantras you barely
understand.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Rex Ballard
> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/26/smart
> 'To keep things simple, I started the conversation by asking: ³How many
> of your parents use a smartphone?² Not a single student raised their
> hand. [...] But then the light bulb went on and I asked: ³How many of
> your parents have an iPhone?² Nearly two-thirds of the hands went up.'
A classic case of misinformation through lack of information.
How old were the kids - kids that didn't know that an iPhone was a
SmartPhone.
How affluent the neighborhood - that two thirds of the parents had
iPhones.
How many kids raised their hands because they wanted the other kids to
think their parents were cool?
Given that iPhones make up less than 5% of the total cell phone base,
the poll showing that 2/3 of the parents had cell phones - was already
suspicious. He didn't ask how many parents had BlackBerrys, he didn't
ask how many had Droids, or how many had phones with keyboards
(MediaPhones).
> We spend lots of time in these groups lately talking about "smartphone
> platforms", and about "walled gardens" and "software freedom" and the
> benefits of vertical integration over multi-vendor hardware platforms
> (or vice versa).
How many of those kids, and their parents used Google? Bought
something from Amazon or E-Bay?
How many ate at BurgerKing, Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken, or Taco
Bell?
How many sent e-mail, or text messages?
Most people don't know how their car works, but they know how to
drive.
Most people don't know how their electricity is generated, but they
know how to turn on the switch.
About 80% of the technology on which we totally depend, people
couldn't explain, and they certainly wouldn't know who created it.
Apple and Microsoft spend $billions to promote their brand, spend
$billions in legal fees to defend their brand from competitors, and
use this combination to make sure that their brand gets major coverage
in the press, that people know their brands.
The electricity coming into your home - do you know who makes the
generators? Do you know the names of the coal companies who provide
the coal? Do you know who makes the transformers? Who makes the wire
used in the transmission lines? Who made the wire in your house? Who
made the switch on the wall, or the outlet?
However, you might be able to guess that the light bulb was made by
Sylvania or General Electric. Does that mean that EVERYTHING was made
by Sylvania?
The same is true with Microsoft and Apple.
About 90% of the infrastructure for the Internet is Open Source
software, Linux, and Unix. Most of the servers are connected to back-
end systems created by IBM, HP, and Sun, and databases like DB2,
Oracle, and Sybase. The back-end systems are usually based on UNIX,
such as AIX, HP_UX, and Solaris. Windows servers function as
gateways, caching databases, and for smaller companies too small to
afford Unix systems. And Linux servers provide small self-contained
servers, as well as much of the "glue" functionality for those big
UNIX servers.
But how many people know any of this? The reality is that most
companies don't want you to know the details of their back-end
infrastructure. What they do want, is for you to be able to order
their products, and pay the bills - using IE and FireFox.
> Regular people do not think in these terms at all. They think in terms
> of _individual products_ and the capabilities that they have. (And they
> only understand those capabilities if vendors can effectively
> communicate about them. Which most can't.)
Yes, they know they have an LG ENV-3 Touch, but they don't know that
the phone is powered by Linux.
They know they have a Motorola phone, but they don't know whether that
phone is running Linux (many are).
Even most so-called "dumb" phones are powered by Symbian, and Python,
a popular language originally developed for Linux. Symbian itself is
now Open Source. Symbian blurrs the line between "SmartPhone" and
traditional cell phones, often billed as a "Media Phone".
How many of those kids would have known whether their own phone was
running Symbian or not?
But if you asked those kids - how many had a browser on their cell
phone? Most of the hands would have gone up.
If you asked them how many of their phones had texting - all of the
hands would have gone up.
I suspect that this class might have been much younger, since the
teacher didn't ask those in the classroom how many of THEM had
iPhones.
JEDIDIAH
Apple hasn't been making toaster ovens for over 30 years.
Apple has been making personal computers for over 30 years.
It sounds even worse when you put it that way.
>> market!
>
> Maybe you didn't understand. I'll restate it for you (that's sarcasm,
> Snit)...
>
> if the quality of the product is as important as you seem to believe, why
> doesn't Apple have 90+% of the desktop market. And don't try using your
> "they don't target it" BS.
>
--
Apple: Because the world doesn't have enough peasants. |||
/ | \
Snit
AM:
...
>>>> So, Snit... if the quality of the product is as important as you seem
>>>> to believe, why doesn't Apple have 90+% of the desktop market. And
>>>> don't try using your "they don't target it" BS.
>>>
>>> Ah, next you will want to know why Apple does not have 90+% of the
>>> toaster oven market... and no "BS" about how they do not target that
>
> Apple hasn't been making toaster ovens for over 30 years.
Is this new to you? Is it in question by someone? Not sure why you bring
it up.
> Apple has been making personal computers for over 30 years.
Is this new to you? Is it in question by someone? Not sure why you bring
it up.
> It sounds even worse when you put it that way.
Huh? Put what what way? To note that Apple does not have a strong presence
in markets they are not in (or only in very slightly)? Not sure why this
would be controversial or surprising to anyone.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Rick
> Rick <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>> > Rick <n...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> >> ZnU wrote:
>> >> > Â Rick wrote:
>> >> >> ZnU wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > It figures the reaction of the COLA crowd would be "People are
>> >> >> > stupid" rather than something like "Maybe we're focusing on the
>> >> >> > wrong things".
>>
>> >> >> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>
>> >> > It wasn't one person.
>>
>> >> You were talking to me. I am one person.
>>
>> > Check the archives: Â Lusotec also replied to the thread.
>>
>> Check the thread... Znu wrote, Rick wrote, Znu wrote.
>
> Agreed, which means that the phrase "The CSMA Crowd" could have also
> been used as a generalization, if there was any reason to refer to that
> group.
Except that Znu made his post, I responded, he responded to me, without
and before there was any "crowd" responding.
It seems to me there a great deal of similarities between some in CMSA
and COLA.
>
>
> FWIW, its easy to caveat this with a "not counting the respective trolls
> for each, of course", but the challenge (for both) is the degree to
> which it may be appropriate to similarly apply to the flamingly
> irrational kooks...of both.
... ok ...
>
>
> -hh
--
Rick
Rick
You posted. I posted. You posted. No crowd.
You based your "posting to a public newsgroup" on my single reply and
then applied my thoughts to the entire "crowd". I wonder if hadron and
Snit appreciate you trying to put us into the same "crowd".
>
>> >> Second, as a rule, people are fairly, well, let's say...
>> >> disinterested.
>> >>
>> >> And, BTW, my opinion of the species in general has nothing to do
>> >> with my choice of operating system.
>> >
>> > It's common for tech industry pundit types (and COLA posters) to make
>> > sweeping statements about what the market wants based essentially on
>> > their own extremely unrepresentative personal preferences.
>>
>> It's common for CSMA posters to make weeping statements about what the
>> market wants based essentially on their own extremely unrepresentative
>> personal preferences.
>
> Perhaps. Personally, I make them on the basis of a detailed
> understanding of the industry I have formulated though close observation
> over the last 12 years or so.
>
> [snip]
Perhaps. Personally, I make them on the basis of a detailed understanding
of users I have formulated though close observation over the last 25
years or so.
--
Rick
Snit
6/29/10 11:20 AM:
...
>>>>> First, how is one person "the COLA crowd"?
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't one person.
>>>
>>> You were talking to me. I am one person.
>>
>> I was posting to a public newsgroup.
>
> You posted. I posted. You posted. No crowd.
You posted to a public forum and whined when others responded to your posts.
You show no sign of understanding a thing about Usenet.
> You based your "posting to a public newsgroup" on my single reply and
> then applied my thoughts to the entire "crowd". I wonder if hadron and
> Snit appreciate you trying to put us into the same "crowd".
You and your herd always support each other. You act like this is not well
known.
...
>> Perhaps. Personally, I make them on the basis of a detailed
>> understanding of the industry I have formulated though close observation
>> over the last 12 years or so.
>>
>> [snip]
>
> Perhaps. Personally, I make them on the basis of a detailed understanding
> of users I have formulated though close observation over the last 25
> years or so.
You show very little understanding. If you think otherwise, then point it
out!
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper stated:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Since you missed it: it is herd mentality that allows people to
>>>>> know that when one of the he herd does something the rest of the
>>>>> herd is likely to do much the same or, at least, not question it
>>>>> and tacitly support it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea that one is a crowd is your own idea... one you falsely
>>>>> attributed to me based on your lack of understanding. But do
>>>>> not worry - your herd will not call you on it. You can bet on
>>>>> that!
>>>>
>>>> Let me guess, there is only one herd; Snit, ceed, Joel Crump,
>>>> Rhino Plastee, Thundercleats, Brock McNuggets, Sigmund and ad
>>>> nauseum, LOL!
>>>
>>> Seriously: seek help.
>>
>> Stop projecting, LOL.
>
> It is you, not I, who wrote the insanity above.
But it was Snit who exercised the galloping insanity by nymshifting, LOL.
Time to shepherd your sock herd. ;)
--
HPT
Snit
6/29/10 5:18 PM:
You make a lot of accusations... fueled by your insanity. Face it: you have
*no* support for your BS claims. You are simply lying. And begging.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
Snit nymshifting as (Omar Murad Asfour and) Steve Carroll's Dog, which
is identity theft.
http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet
Snit nymshifting as Rhino Plastee:
[quote]
"Snit" [...] wrote:
> "Wally" [...] stated [...]
>
>> Proving that High Plains Thumper is correct, Snit does nymshift as
>> Rhino Plastee.
>
> Nope. Nice try though!
You wished!
Rhino Plastee states....
"Clearly this is a bigoted postion you are pushing, Wally".
http://tinyurl.com/6uhx65
Wally replies....
"Clearly for your argument to hold up you need to put words in my
mouth! tsk, tsk!"
http://tinyurl.com/9xm9ea
Snit shoots himself in the foot and replies....
"Nope: I quote you directly and in context:"
http://tinyurl.com/7hlnq2
[/quote]
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a19caebdb2274e53
Time for Snit to drink his own tuna soda, LOL!
Snit: "Picture of a tuna soda: http://snipurl.com/f351
Feel free to ask for the recipe."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/490609df1d7b310b
--
HPT
Snit
on 6/29/10 6:42 PM:
As I said, you have *no* support. Not a word. It is not like your BS has
not been ripped to shreds many, many times. You are simply begging for
attention. Again, though:
Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
My quoting directly and in context is not support of your accusations.
The fact you even pretend your BS counts as support is, well, just sick.
Oh, and Carroll admitted he was posting as his "dog"... so that one is a
solved "mystery", as if it was not clear already before he admitted to it.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
Really, Michael, who are you trying to kid? You are presented with
factual evidence that proves beyond the shadow of doubt you nymshifted
and you deny the truth. Why is that?
> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and methodical
documented investigative reasoning into your nymshifting, excellent
detective work. So, your continuous denial does not obviate the facts.
> My quoting directly and in context is not support of your
> accusations.
You don't have to be quoted Michael. That is it, you leave enough of an
evidence trail, that people transparently see through your shenanigans.
> The fact you even pretend your BS counts as support is, well, just
> sick.
Is it Michael? Do I pretend? Those are your words, but they bear
little fruit.
> Oh, and Carroll admitted he was posting as his "dog"... so that one
> is a solved "mystery", as if it was not clear already before he
> admitted to it.
No Michael, Steve Carroll did not admit that. Rather he expressed
disdain at your false accusations.
--
HPT
CarpathiaMan
>
> [snip]
>
> Transportation accidents is the first cause of deaths for people under 30
> (or was it 35) years old, yet many people drive with more alcohol than water
> in their blood, have complete disrespect for the speed limits, and generally
> could not care less if they *murder* someone with their vehicles.
>
> [snip]
Interesting. What would you say is an accurate, realistic estimate of
the ratio of bad drivers to good drivers? And what about honest
traffic mistakes? Surely nobody is perfect.
I'm not being sarcastic, by the way -- I'm genuinely interested in
your opinion on this. :-)
--
Erich K.
Snit
on 6/29/10 7:55 PM:
>> As I said, you have *no* support. Not a word. It is not like your
>> BS has not been ripped to shreds many, many times. You are simply
>> begging for attention. Again, though:
>
> Really, Michael, who are you trying to kid? You are presented with
> factual evidence that proves beyond the shadow of doubt you nymshifted
> and you deny the truth. Why is that?
Yawn. You are getting boring. Again. Sandman's lies and my quoting
correctly is not proof of my wrong doing.
It is beyond idiotic that you would claim otherwise, but you repeatedly do.
>> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
>
> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and methodical
> documented investigative reasoning into your nymshifting, excellent
> detective work. So, your continuous denial does not obviate the facts.
Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people. No other
reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of Sandman whining that
people read his posts and figure out he, like you, is a troll.
Nothing about me at all. Well, other than lies (such as the BS about me
using Tor to hide tracks).
>> My quoting directly and in context is not support of your
>> accusations.
>
> You don't have to be quoted Michael. That is it, you leave enough of an
> evidence trail, that people transparently see through your shenanigans.
You cannot quote me doing as you accuse. Hence you do not. Ever. You just
make things up and use obsessively gathered and forged comments about me.
In other words: you beg. And you troll.
>> The fact you even pretend your BS counts as support is, well, just
>> sick.
>
> Is it Michael? Do I pretend? Those are your words, but they bear
> little fruit.
It is simply a fact you pretend your BS counts as support. Look at the post
I am responding to. You simply lie repeatedly about this BS.
>> Oh, and Carroll admitted he was posting as his "dog"... so that one
>> is a solved "mystery", as if it was not clear already before he
>> admitted to it.
>
> No Michael, Steve Carroll did not admit that. Rather he expressed
> disdain at your false accusations.
Wait... it was Tim Adams who insisted that Steve and his "dog" posted from
the same IP address. Whatever... I proved elsewhere it was Steve and nobody
in their right mind ever questioned it. So what is your point?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>
>>
>> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and
>> methodical documented investigative reasoning into your
>> nymshifting, excellent detective work. So, your continuous denial
>> does not obviate the facts.
>
> Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people. No
> other reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of Sandman
> whining that people read his posts and figure out he, like you, is a
> troll.
Sandman never made such a statement. Regarding trolling:
Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must a deeply troubled individual who
has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with the points above. I
don't care about them. Your constant complaints, whines, rages, etc.,
wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as trolls, arise
from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit around you.
People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept that. Snit I
feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your solipsism.
There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
102- Rotten Apple:
Snit: "The truth? Carroll has openly admitted he does what he accuses
others of... now there is evidence he is committing identity theft - the
very thing he accuses me of based on his claiming I am not the person he
has tracked me down to be."
Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir boys." 14 Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
> Nothing about me at all. Well, other than lies (such as the BS about
> me using Tor to hide tracks).
LOL, Snit back at his pathological lies. Gee, what a luser. Snit hides
behinds his keyboard denying the truth. Nonetheless, the record bears
witness, the link snit snipped, accusing Sandman of lying:
http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet
[quote]
Michael Digest: Omar sock puppet
Digests, Jonas Eklundh
So there was a "new" poster in CSMA (and usenet); Omar Murad Asfour. He
posted this:
Subject Rotating movies
From "Omar Murad Asfour"
Date 09/02/2009 19:48:14
I have a camera that also takes videos. Sometimes I hold the camera
sideways. How do you rotate the videos once they are in iMovie?
Omar Murad Asfour
A generic question about something Mac-related. Nice.
The first to reply is Snit:
Subject Re: Rotating movies
From Snit
Date 09/02/2009 19:59:18
Where he talks about a free alternative to QuickTime for the task at
hand. Thank you Snit!
Subject Re: Rotating movies
From Snit
Date 09/02/2009 19:59:18
Omar thanks Snit and would be on his way to solve his video-related
issues, right?
Subject Re: Rotating movies
From Snit
Date 09/02/2009 20:34:29
For some reason, Snit responds to Omar to post a claim about others in
csma. He makes a prediction about how Omar will be called Snits sock
puppet? Now why would anyone do that? Yes, why...
Subject Re: Rotating movies
From Sandman
Date 09/02/2009 21:58:47
I greet the new poster very politely, welcoming him to the group. This
is the tone I keep throughout my communication with Omar
Subject Re: Rotating movies
From "Omar Murad Asfour"
Date 09/02/2009 23:10:30
Does his reading your posts or not make you call people names all
the time?
Then he makes an explicit claim about Steve Carroll, a poster he
supposedly know nothing about other than the links Snit posted.
A very strange thing to claim for a completely new poster to the group,
indeed. It's almost as if he has a prior agenda.
Subject Re: Rotating movies
From "Omar Murad Asfour"
Date 09/03/2009 08:34:30
When I point this out, he does a classical Snit and asks why he wouldn't
know what he has been shown, as if he has been shown what Steve Carroll
does "all the time".
Ok, so this new guy surely acts strangely for someone new, things like:
* Supporting Snit, this is very unusual for csma
* Having no usenet history
* Using x-private, a usenet provider for being anonymous, highly
unusual for someone new
* Attacking the exact same people Snit always target
* Posts from the same area as Snit (Arizona)
Also, Omar posts at the same times as Snit, especially noteworthy is
that he doesn't post if Snit isn't posting. So if Snit is busy one night
(as 9/3 above) then neither Snit or Omar will post to usenet.
All of these are highly suspicious behavior supports the claim that he
is a Snit sockpuppet of course, but not without doubt.
Subject Re: My PPC is almost unsellable
From Sandman
Date 09/04/2009 11:46:33
But when I posted about the above stats, Omar visited with a french IP
and since Snit is known to use TOR proxies to hide his tracks, this is
pretty solid proof.
But that's not all. The most solid proof is that Omar is posting from
the same IP that posts the Steve Carroll's Dog posts. The thing with the
x-private usenet service is that it encrypts your posting host, not hide
it altogether. So the posting host of Omar is
"$$$lwkkl$ulnwp.news.x-privat.org", which incidentally is the same as
Steve Carroll's Dog. I don't think anyone doubted that "Steve Carroll's
Dog" was Snit, but no one cared enough so Snit had to create a new sock
puppet; enter Omar.
Snit, busted yet again.
[/quote]
Yup, Snit busted yet again.
--
HPT
Snit
on 6/30/10 4:18 AM:
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>
>>>> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
>>>
>>> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and
>>> methodical documented investigative reasoning into your
>>> nymshifting, excellent detective work. So, your continuous denial
>>> does not obviate the facts.
>>
>> Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people. No
>> other reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of Sandman
>> whining that people read his posts and figure out he, like you, is a
>> troll.
>
> Sandman never made such a statement.
<http://csma.sandman.net/pages/AntagonizingThroughOtherMedia>
-----
Sometimes the "time limited" usenet media isn't enough for
the troll and his agenda, and he needs to create material in
another media to antagonize other people, usually a web page.
-----
So, yes, Sandman called his own trolling tactics a form of trolling. Of
course, Sandman tries to backpedal from that and claim his trolling is some
form of exception:
-----
It is important to note that this very list could be called
"antagonizing through other media" since it points to
specific people, mostly Michael, throughout the definitions.
BUt fact is that Michael himself requested this very list of
objective troll criteria, and as such - it doesn't really
constitute trolling.
-----
Please note: I *never* asked Sandman to create a website filled with lies
about me or about anyone else. Sandman lied about that, too.
Sandman is a flat out liar and an admitted troll. If you look at his own
list, he goes out of his way to fit as many of his own criteria as he can:
* Sandman has all sorts of arguments from the past on his troll site
* Sandman creatively snips on his troll site.
* Sandman openly misinterprets on his troll site.
* Sandman clearly lies in his "scoring" on his troll site.
Etc. Can you find *any* of his trolling criteria he does not go out of his
way to fulfill? Of course not. Sandman is a an admitted troll and his site
is a testament to his trolling.
So, of course, you will support him in any way you can... because you are
clearly just trolling.
Now, note how I quote Sandman's own words to prove I am right about him.
You, on the other hand, *never* quote me and support your accusations.
Never. You cannot, because you are a liar.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper stated:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>>
>>>>> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing
>>>>> anything.
>>>>
>>>> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and
>>>> methodical documented investigative reasoning into your
>>>> nymshifting, excellent detective work. So, your continuous
>>>> denial does not obviate the facts.
>>>
>>> Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people.
>>> No other reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of
>>> Sandman whining that people read his posts and figure out he,
>>> like you, is a troll.
>>
>> Sandman never made such a statement.
>
> <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/AntagonizingThroughOtherMedia>
> -----
> Sometimes the "time limited" usenet media isn't enough for the
> troll and his agenda, and he needs to create material in another
> media to antagonize other people, usually a web page.
> -----
Except that Snit left out Sandman's next sentence, "Michael has created
several of these, of course, with the sole intention of antagonizing
specific persons."
> So, yes, Sandman called his own trolling tactics a form of trolling.
No, Sandman did not call his posts a troll tactic. Rather, Snit has
moved the goal posts.
<Snip rest of Snit nonsense>
> You, on the other hand, *never* quote me and support your
> accusations. Never. You cannot, because you are a liar.
Here we go again. Snit once again confirms what these 138 posters have
to say on the Snit (Michael Glasser) Circus of Pathological Lies:
1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member area and a
login. If you forget your password, you can ask it to e-mail it to you,
and a bot will send an e-mail. *That* is the e-mail Snit got from
Sandman's website, and yes he's that fucked in the head and starved for
attention that he'd claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So,
don't get sucked into his little circus. The e-mail, in this particular
instance, did probably originate from Sandman.net."
27 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dac74355552b4cc7
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour
and not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you'd leave
too. Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I
have never made the same wish of him." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the truth, you
are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting the
newsgroup." 27 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/52eab53a559e00ce
4- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers to weasel
out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole." 25 Jun 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51b43d6c9613c9da
5- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why not
just let them go away and show how responsible a member of CSMA you are?
You could show your enemies up by being better than them, rise above the
low level you so obviously dislike. Anything, just stop...." 26 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d6ffb6b06aa237e5
6- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If yes, then
troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you set to expire, but
it's fixed now." 13 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8a98d179b2ff9578
7- BaJoRi:
Snit: "You are, of course, lying."
BaJoRi: "No, I am not. You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who
has read your idiocy knows it. I took your statement, showed it to be
wrong, then added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY show you to be
a fool. You need to judiciously snip out pertinent points because you
are an intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar." 11 Nov 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
8- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group can be
if you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more people don't do
the same.." 5 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0706dbef8ce1f903
9- Bob S: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group, but
since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a decent
discussion about anything." 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d2f1dff196ca190
The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for some reason, some people
just can't stop feeding him."
10- °b° unny: Subject "snit makes me sad", Text "really actually =:-("
9 Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4e31cb49c1e2d432
11- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill..."
12- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls' ... in
the groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the idiotrollers like
snit would reply to this thread. Of course, I didn't see his posts, only
your reply".
13- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him 'shit', and rightly so, for they
way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the bus depot, and
simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes. It's now far too late
to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk* him..." 12 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/18099f8aa067f4a5
14- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time for you to
learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of course, that your
Usenet browser has a kill-filter." 5 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2c390a34b05b24a9
15- cc (COLA): "Snit posts all the time. You don't have to dig up months
old articles where he brings up years old topics. Just respond to a
current message." 22 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5a712e3312ba9f8a
Snit: "And, yes, I know the facts will go over your head. You are an
insane moron... and you have nothing of value to say. Here: you will
prove it with your response and I will merely note you did so. 100%
predictable."
cc: "What facts? The fact that you don't know what a hypothetical
situation is? The fact that you can't answer any questions? The fact
that you continue to run away when faced with simple questions? I am
100% predictable to you because you simply cannot understand what has
been placed in front of you. It's all just a jumble of words to your
pea-sized brain, and therefore it always looks the same." 15 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f6ce4429806e9de6
Snit: "Do you realize how clear it is your whole goal is just to get the
last word?"
cc: "Now that's hilarious!" .... "You are incapable of letting anything
go. In fact, I guarantee you will respond to this post in under 3 hours.
Hell, I'd be surprised if it takes longer than 30 minutes. If I really
wanted to, I could make this little side topic go on forever, because
you are a complete moron who just has to respond to anything written
about or to you, even if it just means repeating yourself." 1 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/3712090033411605
16- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for you to "win"
an argument? They don't like you, you don't like them. Why must you keep
this up? What results are you expecting?"
17- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The archives
show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep posting your
list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will not address it any
further- you being too stupid to realize and accept that is not my
problem". 22 Nov 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.cellular.attws/msg/0aa65b7a132dbfe8
18- Chris Ahlstrom (COLA): "I try to go more by the contents of the
posts. Although some clowns (e.g. Snit) spew out so much chaff it is not
worth the effort." 14 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8b6a982957c7c9d5
19- Dawg Tail: "You've already apologized for having already misread
what I had previously written. What makes you think that you're
correctly understanding what I'm writting now. You've got a history of
reading into things what you wanted people to have said instead of what
they really said.
I suggest you get over this limitation of yours. It's making you look
foolish."
Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all of
them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many diverse
people who share a common perception where do you think the problem
lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn't require an
advanced degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
20- Dave Fritzinger: "[snip of stuff I really don't care to read] Snit,
please go away. Get a life, meet a woman, do something, but please,
please, please, GO AWAY!!!!" 2 Jun 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/57bb2fc42ec0f290
21- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought you
knew what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was presented
to you. I guess I had too much confidence in you." 30 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3254ec7af27bfb0f
22- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar and
loser you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me where i
stop responding to your posts for stretches at a time, then start up
responding as if you were a normal person. i suppose it's tough for the
magnitude of your 'loserdom' to stick, so it loses some of it's
sharpness when i stop responding to you. you almost always start
responding back in a semi normal way, but inevitably degenerate. it's
once again that time. i can only ask that you pass my condolences to
your wife and unborn child for having to put up with such a dishonest
fool as yourself. (well, if your wife is a loser as well, just pass
those condolences to the rug-rat to be; if not, double condolences to
her). " 30 Apr 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/71f74dd6d806ce77
23- Edward Stanfield: "Snit thinks the rules that apply to honest and
honorable people apply to him. That is absurd. He is the biggest liar
in Usenet history. Mackay posted the email to prove Snit was using sock
puppets and he still is. Snit can not give up his socks puppets and
shills. They are the only ones who ever support him." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5b52494d96d12229
24- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger, and you've
almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you to post a list of
out of context arguments, and lies, and forgeries about your enemies
labled as a "peace effort" has to be one of the craziest stunts you've
pulled. It's all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
center stage at all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought it
would make people look at you." 18 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
25- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go see a
doctor." 24 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6f6c88356b54fc15
26- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to the points in
my post and you are back to your repetitious regurgitation mode. How
childishly typical of you, Snit." 16 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55214ccfb7414fe5
27- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled since the
first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do like Snit'. As far
as I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist." 15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
28- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been coming to
CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among people, besides
the typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I feel that it is like
being in a room of really young children trying there best to best the
other person. The one common thing among all of this seems to be you. I
hate to be like this, but facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle
of a great percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs and
more about "look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no end then all
this picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has always
been al little adversarial but you have personally crank it up to the
point that this place is no longer fun. Congratulations on stopping CSMA
and making this place your own personal circus." 12 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/bbe695bbc3424ab6
29- Geezer:
Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality"
Geezer: "Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who uncover
his lies and deceit;)"
Snit: "and no clue about the law."
Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are "proof".
LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported lies)' 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
30- Geoff M. Fitton (COLA): "The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
how stupid he is... What a mar00n". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f9401b4b57c59865
31- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with the Snit
(AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will drive you crazy
with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to be ALWAYS right at any
cost. He will move goalposts, set up strawmen, and bore you into
submission with his endless pedanticism. The only way to engage him is
to hit and run. NEVER engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that
will only anger you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27
Oct 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3d3af33ce25a11fd
32- gimme_this_gimme_t...@yahoo.com: "Hitting the vodka tonight Snit?"
4 Mar 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b457a7b378264794
33- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone else
notices that you are not honest and you have no honor." 21 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3b92f11a1ab00f91
34- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate threads, are
you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont ever censor people
cause that's just retarded but if you dont fix it I'm gonna have to
cause I dont wanna see your name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your
client or something". 12 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f36ee6b458c86499
35- Hadron (COLA):
Snit: "Now why not end your silliness and either just stop your BS or
actually give reasoned comments on the screen shots you keep asking for
and I keep providing?
Hadron: "err, he just did. And you snipped it all you weasel." 30 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/de49f2b7471d2e1a
Snit: "Sigh: 100% predictable, you will not answer *any* question I just
asked. You will run... your whole goal is to beg for attention, not to
make or support a point."
Hadron: "nice. You made it into my new killfile. Jesus, stop repeating
the same garbage." 6 Apr 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c86ab53a759ea728
Hadron (COLA): "... your constant repetition could send an acid tab to
sleep ... Why not do yourself and the rest of us a favour and kill file
the dickhead?" 09 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/6533c646468adc42
36- Henry Flam: "Who gives a damn about this shit? Snit, once in a
while, I make the mistake in thinking that that you are starting to make
sense in your posts; I tend to agree with your politics. Then you post
stuff like this and it destroys any respect that I have for you." 16
Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f048bedfe0d67d66
Henry Flam: "You on the other hand must a deeply troubled individual who
has a fragile ego. I needn't agree nor disagree with the points above. I
don't care about them. Your constant complaints, whines, rages, etc.,
wars with the regular Mac advocates, whom you mislabel as trolls, arise
from your sense that any conversation or thread must orbit around you.
People have pointed that out to you but you don't accept that. Snit I
feel sorry for you. Please go and see a doctor about your solipsism.
There must be a cure for you deep psychological travail." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9bb48e6e6da75c8
37- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*"
38- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
"synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt
to maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As such, I
consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to libel me.
This is your only warning to consider rescinding your remark, with the
reminder that you, and you alone are responsible for that accusation,
both in the ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word
"responsible".' 25 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
39- High Plains Thumper: "I can understand why posters get sick and
tired of your lame ad hominem attacks, your cowardly statements shifting
the goal posts, your continuous rambling drivel of how everyone seems to
be against you. No one cares a wooden nickel about your incessant flame
wars that are self created. You pretend to be an advocate but you
manage to cause everyone's hand to be against you." 6 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b27ba196819ad38f
High Plains Thumper: "So Snit thinks that no one can see through his
lies, his deceptions, his history of forged evidence from his website,
his history of trolling CSMA and COLA, his history of sock puppets, to
name a few. It reminds me of my son when he was 2 years old. He'd hide
from us by sticking his head behind furniture with the rest of his body
sticking out in plain sight. He thought we could not see him. So it is
with Snit." 16 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/559d59406d6a6c3c
40- Homer (COLA):
HPT: "Snit in a period of 2 minutes has copied a post of mine, posting
the same following message over and over, in false pretense as a Linux
advocate."
Homer: "That kind of behaviour is not normal, to say the least. I don't
mean this as a personal insult, but I'm perfectly serious when I say
'Snit' (Michael Glasser) is obviously mentally ill, and needs help. I
was going to suggest that someone alerts his wife to the problem, but I
have to assume she's already aware of his condition, if she is in fact
still living with him. It's possible, I suppose, that he's already
undergoing counselling and/or on medication, but if he is then it
doesn't seem to be helping much. Maybe he just missed his 'meds' today
(again, I mean that sincerely). 26 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e061874ea94e9ce8
41- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting to CSMA for a
long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always been trolls and
morons, but I've never seen anything quite so disruptive as the Snit
circus. Snit will *never* back down or stop, and neither will most of
his opponents. A good kill file is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
hophead: "It's best to killfile snit, and if you can, set up a filter to
kill any responses to snit. Or (as I've been forced to do) killfile
those who insist on responding to him. Yes, you do miss some advocacy
from some of those people, but the joy of not seeing snit or any
responses to him far outweighs the cost. Of course, snit also uses
sockpuppets. They are pretty easy to identify fortunately and are easily
killed as well." 19 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d0cb5d4f4d1cba91
42- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable to offer
support for your statements, you're reduced to personal attacks on me.
Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see that I have offered no
straw men, and have only asked you to explain how the things you state
as facts can be true. I'm really sorry that you're taking this attitude,
the topic is an interesting one and I thought you might have some
insights. I've snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and avoid
answering any of the questions I asked by saying everything was just
repeated." 6 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/8e07cde31f4eecf6
43- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid people on
usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and refresh
your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over and over. Either
you're a super troll, or you're a super mess." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a8e091c0b248eb0
44- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit."
45- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git." 23 Dec 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0ec649345d433a2d
46- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a 12-step
recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won't help me achieve
a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it detracts from it and
those kinds of discussions have no place in a newsgroup such as this."
18 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/947a2cc0301a2862
47- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you accomplishing
besides being annoying? Is that your goal?" 25 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e3d5029d34cde243
48- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush mentioned in
it? You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on topic and not hijack
threads."
49- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're involved in
seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of responses to OT
things and garbage? Cmon there Snit. Someone has to take the lead and
stop this crap. Try. How about it?" 25 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b5c22490ab9649b
50- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away, rather than
actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course I suppose."
"Evasion noted. Snit runs away again rather than produce evidence for
his claims. At least come up with some original insults Snit! I mean,
you *are* capable of original thoughts! Right? Snit?" 8 Feb 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/e33321cc3343fc44
51- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to fall -
in a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight, yelling at
passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'" 23 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/57cf69f66571a5a7
52- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What are you
bitching about?"
53- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice- more like a
black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even entertain an
unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and lock it up? Please??"
11 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e2891b1f3984e121
54- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's postings
since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to filter his posts, I
just consider the source and skip to the next one when I see his name."
7 Jan 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7d34c1bd05c877d2
55- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be shocked that
he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about being a computer
repairman and teacher. He's just plain loony and best ignored. Let him
deal with his disorder by medication. He's here to do one thing, get
attention from people. He says the crazy stuff just to get a reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what he's
counting on, he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes to get a rise
out of people like you. Ignore him, you won't regret it." 3 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/394a53a65c28d314
"Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without adding drinking booze
to the list. How the hell did you manage to get out of my killfile? Oh
well back into the cage you go, PLONK." 13 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.food.wine/msg/992a796786a541d8
56- Josh McKee: "Snit, I assume there was some point to this posting?
Because I certainly cannot find it."
57- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that even
though the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll of the lot is
mostly being ignored by readers on this bb. If the few stragglers that
keep replying to him would just stop responding to Snit at all this
place could be worth coming back to. There's a good chance he'll pack up
and take his trolling to more fertile ground." 22 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0b9dca7df1f677f4
58- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence with
"Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.' 29 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
59- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother reading
the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets of putrid
excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how to support your position,
instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming, hoping it'll
all go away." 7 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/96d064a7a5c6074a
60- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for ad hominem
attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad hominem attacks. You
make silly claims and then avoid the subject of your silliness. You're a
liar and a hypocrite and you always have been." 14 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d1e3f9ac5c72c6ee
61- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid." 7 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a9bedf6689f9a54f
62- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long time, but
the few times you post something worth reading just aren't worth it
anymore. *plonk*" 16 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5520adae01120e83
63- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact you've been
an annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the pretense of
trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you in COLA is trashtalk
about Linux and you acting every bit the troll." 16 Jul 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad7d6c42c5e4cf2f
64-libcrushersmith: "Snit also thinks Dan Rather still anchors CBS News
and that Gitmo terrorists are innocent! Any time Snit is cornered, he
changes the subject and will never admit he's wrong." 28 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/fbc516717f3b7ccf
65- libsnightmare:
Snit: "Who said Bush did not flip flop?"
libsnightmare: "Never said that. I put back in what you cut out. He
never flip-flopped on the war, even when it was unpopular, like "Kerry
and all the other libs" did. You're a sore loser who has resorted to
fifth grade tactics. How fucking sad - all this clown has left is to
edit posts and post fake bullshit. You can't debate... so you lie. Once
again, you have proved Steve Carroll right about you. Sad..." 4 May 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a80c93f80bd6bc3e
66- Linonut (cola): "Snit is a Tholenoid."
"Indeed. Snit may be the first retraction of my general killfile
amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping,
back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by that
effete candy-ass beggars belief". 30 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/cc4827fd7e8ad574
67- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most cretinous,
I would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)" 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b6cd3ac4bf1e08d6
68- Lewis: "hasn't this fight been going on for like 8 years now? I
don't think anything is ever going to fix snit." 02 Mar 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/98ef8bca6b3a9b34
69- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser is the
same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest now, it would
be impossible to determine where the honesty starts and the usual
dishonesty ends. In my primary school, one of the teachers was very keen
on proverbs, and I recall her going over the "cry wolf" story. Mr
Glasser could "cry wolf" over and over now, and I would not come to help
him with his sheep, because I do not know any way of determining if he's
ever telling the truth, or indeed, if he ever has." 2 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3f30aa1b65a972b3
70- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it to this
post since its all about him and he managed to make me think about him
today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went over to her house and
videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute toddler stuff then burned a DVD
of it for her. While we were watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got
mad because we quit making him the center of attention and made that kid
on the tv the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life." 30 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9935f4154d5a290b
71- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone refutes your
'facts', you run away and ignore them. Refuting your 'facts' is easily
done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it." 9 Feb 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c050c82720737b32
72- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All I see you
doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with everyone. You're the
TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not* a compliment!" 8 Jul 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7c5b72d70b87ffbd
73- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead I can
only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that happens to
inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware of how deranged
you actually behave further reinforces this notion. Please seek
professional help."
"The point that keeps whooshing over your head Snit, is Elizabot made no
threat to you before you went to the police. She made a promise.
Admittedly, to your delusional spaced out paranoiac view point, Elizabot
was suddenly "threatening" to you. In so much as you had to take your
kooky self down to your local police shop and blub on their shoulders
about how much in danger you were in [sob, whine], and they had to waste
valuable policing time consoling you over your stupidity. I bet they
have Kook with a capital "K" written at the top of your profile, Snit."
2 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9cf45bc88a324f40
74- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious. Treat
him the same way, look but just keep moving on." 18 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f1c3041d89504c07
75- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they are
off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring and clearly
show that you are crying out for attention." 20 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a38f07b9a4811a80
76- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact that your
obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you claimed to KF him.
Killfilling someone generally implies you're ignoring that person, yet
you piggyback onto virtually every reply to him here and and check his
website's validation status more often than most people check their
e-mail. These are not the actions of a mentally balanced individual."
19 Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
77- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any pre-school or
kindergarten and see if the kids there can't teach you a thing or two
about social behavior." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/55c03a6a0b7813a4
78- Muahman: "Ummm, dude you post 1000 posts a day. 999 of them are
trolls, if anyone here has issues it's not me." 24 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad9daff74ee1e0bd
Muahman: "LOL, everyone hates Snit. I know I'd push him in front of a
bus if I could." 15 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e5ee46bf5bf04d00
Muahman: "Ahhhh shit, another thread lost to the Snit retard circus!!!
I actually dread seeing Snit reply to a thread because that
automatically means it's in the toilet." 8 Jul 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/92e776d521dfa701
79- Mutley (AUK):
Snit: "None are supportable. None are real. HPT made them up and is
scared to even try to support them. He knows he cannot. He knows his
lies are being shoved in his face and that people are laughing at his
failure. I know I am. He is a sad pathetic little man."
Mutley: "For the record ... I'll be done when I decide that there's more
shit on your face than there is on the sole of my shoe." 01 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/1802ad3aa000098b
80- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't convinced that
snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people losers, I certainly am
now. Why bother responding to his stupidities anyway?" 29 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/be1a326a81441508
81- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got a wry sense
of humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way you're just a waste of
time, and you've done more than anybody to make this group a cesspool.
Then you revel in wallowing in your own filth." 14 May 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2856277b085d0274
82- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling as
children in the back seat of the family car saying:
Mom, 'snits' touching me ... and you responding much as you do now ...
I'm not touching you, you're touching me! The problem is that by now you
should've grown out of that type of poke and complain interaction with
others. But, of course, you've haven't learned how to interact with
others in a more 'constructive' and mutually beneficial manner even
now." 03 Jul 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d16279e9003ca8f4
83- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I killfiled
him?" 27 Nov 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/23b808d9646cd257
84- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and desire
to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of things." 2 Oct 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/88457f8e7c25273e
85- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher: Select offending Author,
example Snit... Go to the Filters Menu, Choose 'Kill this Author'
Click 'OK' Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice. Then
to see your work... Choose the Filter Menu again, Then 'Refilter
Articles'... Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing.
Enjoy!!!!!" 14 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1d7f9181e95ed9ec
86- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather discuss
something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that matter, Snit,
for whom the work 'troll' seems so painfully inadequate?" 13 Aug 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/f93db68e683ad769
87- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk> "
88- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For someone who
talks about everyone else not being "honest and honorable" you appear to
be the least honest and honorable of anyone here." 22 Apr 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/36bf51df2a2662a4
89- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in Newswatcher
but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option with Snit. Ten
seconds later and he's gone! Amazing." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/011eef01d7bcd56c
90- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take your
argument with sandman into the private room." 13 Dec 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ae4651ec99be3c77
91- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely, and someti...
err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a blue moon he has something
useful to say."
92- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that they were not
different windowing environments? Message-ID, please. Experience has
told me not to trust you on anything without backing evidence."
93- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot is a hideous troll. Nobody is as
dishonest as that piece of unadultered garbage. There are csma posters
even more stupid than Snot. Oxford comes to mind. There are certainly
other csma posters who lie nearly as much. But no others are so intent
on trolling in whatever way possible as Snot" 15 Mar 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3409d9582dcebd25
ceed: "Oh please, I have heard how stupid he is and his real name tons
of time. It's getting old."
Peter Köhlmann: "It is not old enough. Snot Glasser is invading this
group with his inane drivel, so he has to bear what people think about
that dishonest retard. And just for the record: You *are* a Glasser
sock" 30 Jan 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f3166f6fda92641b
94- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu".
95- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get superficial
snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions." 1 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ad24a97d5dc86277
96- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference a long
standing war you have going with some person from csma. It's like you
single out persons to target your attentions upon and then continuously
berate them with constant barbs and goads to perpetuate their
acrimonious responses, which in turn you respond in kind, etc. ad
infinitum. Above all things, your affinity for Macs and your overbearing
pompous nature aside, this is what convinces me that your primary
purpose for frequenting this and other groups is to troll." 07 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a09c6b8e3e63f42d
97- RichardK: "Just killfile him already."
98- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You trash
people that are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous
situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going
on." 06 Sep 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
99- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a troll.
I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as a troll, he is
... somewhat clumsy." 22 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/198b88e3d0064a92
100- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care if you
quote Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate perched on the
shell of a tortoise, I was merely pointing out that you run the risk of
looking ridiculous when you quote something patently stupid. If that's
your goal, you're on the right track, and more power to you." 11 Jan 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/4dc22433eae8803d
101- RonB (COLA): "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's thing is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw man.
That's enough to killfile him." 1 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
RonB: (COLA): "Why do you bother responding to Snit? He makes no point,
he simply gainsays whatever you say. Just another version of Hadron's
'you're a liar' mantra, which is about all he can muster nowadays." 27
May 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/279210dd877d7aa0
102- Rotten Apple:
Snit: "The truth? Carroll has openly admitted he does what he accuses
others of... now there is evidence he is committing identity theft - the
very thing he accuses me of based on his claiming I am not the person he
has tracked me down to be."
Rotten Apple: "You make trolls like me look like choir boys." 14 Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7a92988bcbce8fdb
Snit: "No need for him to worry - unlike him, I would not even threaten
to contact his wife. I simply will not sink to his level. I suspect
his wife will find out anyway - people are not as stupid as he wants
them to be."
Rotten Apple: "Your meds are really kicking your ass!" 15 Sep 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5e414c27d6357a4a
103- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to
generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux and
how it can help you and your supposed users why aren't you requesting
help from a more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group? As
the old saying goes, those who can do, those who can't teach. Your posts
seem to confirm that saying IMHO." 12 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
104- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and worthless. You
must be related to our resident racist troll, he lies as much as you."
29 Dec 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
105- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the -HISTORY-
of csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost hated, in a news
group before. He has the ability to turn just about any person against
him in just a few posts. On usenet, trolls do this daily, but the funny
part with Michael is that I actually think he DOESN'T consider himself
be a troll - damn what -EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they
are wrong. Only Tholen himself can match this behaviour." 18 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/51c0735c774215c2
106- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere nice. Honestly, even
the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront made more sense than
this. You been doing drugs or something?" 25 May 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1b251baa5c641370
107- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit, you're
probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises to
remove smut from your harddrive." 21 Jan 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/e166032d8959c0e1
108- Sermo Malifer (COLA):
Snit: "Why do so many people in COLA argue *against* me..."
Sermo Malifer: "Because you're a narcissistic troll who posts trash just
to get people talking about you." 21 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/5ddf14f502e9b3f1
109- spike1: "The thought is probably to show everyone here just how bad
a troll snit is".
110- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing
anger, i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways. and he
thinks he's making sense: well the syntax is there and he figures he's
pretty smart. indeed, he tells us, he's done the personality tests and
the iq tests and he's okay! aaaaahhhhh, you see he's soooooooo well
adjusted." 3 Mar 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/7f9fa1cf90490298
111- Steve Carroll: "Snit isn't much more than a one trick pony and not
telling the whole story is one of his two main tricks. His other main
trick is to outright lie. Sprinkle in a bit of denial and you've gone a
long way towards defining his MO. The idea that Snit admits to his
errors is one of the biggest jokes on usenet." 28 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/0cc84ece10726aac
112- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of elephant
dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in the "Snit Circus",
but then the cotton candy began to sour, and CSMA begun to smell like
elephant dung." 18 Aug 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/9fc11094133dfcdf
Welcome to the Snit circus, where the popcorn and cotton candy are
stale, and the smell of elephant dung is everywhere. 27 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/614daf295b50413f
113- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
for your rediculous argument regarding this." 26 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/1c8777d39c34e293
114- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit has lost
all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words like 'asses'
when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally superior snit have
fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of your busy schedule to feel
embarassed for him. Or perhaps we should set up a fund to get him more
happy glue (and the appropriate plastic bags)." 27 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3edd9ab69425a6c5
115- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk him then.
A snit is a snit is a snit and always will be." 15 Aug 2006 (post not
available except in reply)
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5b382420a696f140
116- Tattoo Vampire (COLA): "In other words, in another attempt to
troll, you made yourself look like a fool. Again". 28 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b2676d3540e09f38
117- thanatoid: "Is business/personal life/etc. SO bad that you had to
create Snit? I really thought higher of you until Snit came in here, in
fact I find your site very nice and wish there was a shop like yours
where I live (well, I /think/...) Or is Snit really just someone whose
HD you accidentally wiped? Either way, it seems to have created a lot
of, for lack of a better word, unpleasantness - just from looking at
today's headers." 02 Jul 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/1c43a7415c97bfa1
118- The Lost Packet (COLA): "well, he's found a seat in my killbin, I
can't be doing with him." 27 Jan 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2007526a552b3322
119- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're the one
lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount to "I'm
right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples someone points at to
demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to insist that they
provide no evidence, or that the evidence given is irrelevant. Worse
still, you fall back on straw men and disingenuous quote mangling to
portray the argument in your favor. You are one of the worst trolls that
inhabit CSMA, Shit. *Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you
are." 23 Sep 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/d488596b57132124
120- Thufir: "It's based on *your* MO that I, at least, have no problem
in stating that you're full of shit on nearly any topic. I've observed
your bullshit, and based on that pattern of bullshit, infer that you're
full of it. Your MO is the evidence, the logic is an inference based on
the evidence." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/c89d3cf79e806e5f
Thufir: "You can "prove" that no one has disproved your "proof"? Again,
your assertion that no one has done so is even *less* convincing than
your claim that some PDF "proves" whatever point you're trying to make
precisely because I'm familiar with your MO. That is, you're a dumb-ass
who would claim that that something is proved when it's not, and who
would ignore counter-examples disproving your contention. I don't know
what this *ages old* thread is about, but I know that you're full of
shit." 21 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5114623055c01092
121-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you see,
you never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really are. Why just
the other day I had a great laugh when I saw you, the king of liars (in
this NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar." 13 Nov 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/40c7f9407179ff2a
122- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the poor
sick fool can get attention. My fucking God, he's taken to hanging out
with and supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah. It is true that
no-one likes him and those that pretend they do are just using him or
don't know him - but come on- it's not his fault. He's sick. Have some
compassion, eh? All these idiot trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy,
MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are all so alike. I pity each and every
one of them" 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
123- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way you could
actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here." 14 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/6e3cfd9240ac4871
124- Timberwoof: "*Plonk!*"
125- TomB (COLA): "No Snit, you were flat out lying in an attempt to
make me look bad. Do you really have to sink to that level in order to
'be right'? If so, you're pathetic. And I don't say this because I like
to say it." 07 Feb 2010
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/43263f575ac40353
126- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in into one of
your Circus acts?" 20 Feb 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/25f0e481b605e71f
127- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was: Stop
polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive "writings". You
give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your goal you have succeeded!
That also goes for all that bullshit on your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
128- Tony(UK) (COLA): "Your email address in your headers just about
sums the Linux world up. Nothing to do with the OS, it is the *uckwits
involved in the whole arena and have posted before on this. If in doubt,
deride, insult and attack. Look inwardly carefully before judging me."
10 Dec 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/533042ed18cefba3
129- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with Snit. Most
people have him kill-filed and the few who don't mostly restrict their
responses to 'why don't you go away, no one wants you here'. Just what
would keep someone in this group with all of that animosity? Must be
some kind of severe mental illness." 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
130- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty" are
nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you wish to
define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter or bend
the rules when inevitably things do not go to your liking, for this
reason I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to play your game." 16
May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
131- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home more than
he's anywhere near a classroom".
132- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a mental breakdown
it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser. What a f#cked up
mess he is." 29 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/914d1e74855fb461
133- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my sincere
apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're the first
person to be plonked from my new computer! :-) " 10 Feb 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/313c7368f6369c49
134- Woofbert: "*Plonk*"
135- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of posts, to
prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like that to people
without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in the record. Ping Snit
to do a search - you will flatter him, and give meaning to his tawdry
little life." 25 Oct 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
136- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global killfile.
No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye". 11 Sep 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/12f7c34f24d43624
137- Znu: "I think your 'I'll go start a new thread to try to draw more
people into the debate I'm currently having with Steve/Elizabot/etc'
tactic is fairly trollish."
138- McGarnagle:
Steve Carroll: "You aren't the first person Snit has lied to... and you
won't be the last. Here are comments by some of the people he duped for
a time."
McGarnagle: "Very impressive. And you know when Snit is endorsed by two
of the biggest nutjobs in AGA - RichL and El Kabong - you know he's not
very bright and a loon." 31 Oct 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.guitar.amps/msg/e60a33341bff1309
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Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> High Plains Thumper stated in post i0f95r$den$1...@news.eternal-september.org
> on 6/30/10 4:18 AM:
>
> > Snit wrote:
> >> High Plains Thumper stated:
> >>>
> >>>> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
> >>>
> >>> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and
> >>> methodical documented investigative reasoning into your
> >>> nymshifting, excellent detective work. So, your continuous denial
> >>> does not obviate the facts.
> >>
> >> Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people. No
> >> other reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of Sandman
> >> whining that people read his posts and figure out he, like you, is a
> >> troll.
> >
> > Sandman never made such a statement.
>
> <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/AntagonizingThroughOtherMedia>
> -----
> Sometimes the "time limited" usenet media isn't enough for
> the troll and his agenda, and he needs to create material in
> another media to antagonize other people, usually a web page.
> -----
>
> So, yes, Sandman called his own trolling tactics a form of trolling.
except Sandman was talking about snit's porn web site!
~more babbling snipped
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
Snit
on 6/30/10 4:18 AM:
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>
>>>> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
>>>
>>> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and
>>> methodical documented investigative reasoning into your
>>> nymshifting, excellent detective work. So, your continuous denial
>>> does not obviate the facts.
>>
>> Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people. No
>> other reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of Sandman
>> whining that people read his posts and figure out he, like you, is a
>> troll.
>
> Sandman never made such a statement.
<http://csma.sandman.net/pages/AntagonizingThroughOtherMedia>
-----
Sometimes the "time limited" usenet media isn't enough for
the troll and his agenda, and he needs to create material in
another media to antagonize other people, usually a web page.
-----
So, yes, Sandman called his own trolling tactics a form of trolling. Of
You, on the other hand, *never* quote me and support your accusations.
Never. You cannot, because you are a liar.
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
teadams$2$0$0$3-A84126.21...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
6/30/10 6:29 PM:
> In article <C85099EE.75C8F%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> High Plains Thumper stated in post i0f95r$den$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>> on 6/30/10 4:18 AM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sandman's lies do not count as "support" of my doing anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Sandman lying? I think not. He provides very logical and
>>>>> methodical documented investigative reasoning into your
>>>>> nymshifting, excellent detective work. So, your continuous denial
>>>>> does not obviate the facts.
>>>>
>>>> Sandman has admitted that his site is there just to troll people. No
>>>> other reason. As far as Sandman's evidence, it consists of Sandman
>>>> whining that people read his posts and figure out he, like you, is a
>>>> troll.
>>>
>>> Sandman never made such a statement.
>>
>> <http://csma.sandman.net/pages/AntagonizingThroughOtherMedia>
>> -----
>> Sometimes the "time limited" usenet media isn't enough for
>> the troll and his agenda, and he needs to create material in
>> another media to antagonize other people, usually a web page.
>> -----
>>
>> So, yes, Sandman called his own trolling tactics a form of trolling.
>
> except Sandman was talking about snit's porn web site!
Sandman was talking in general... and not about the info about Steve and his
"dog" you repulsively refer to as "porn".
From a past post:
-----
The issue here is that after Steve absurdly claimed his own post was from
his dog, he tried to obfuscate things by using a sock puppet named, "Steve
Carroll's Dog"... the one Tim Adams claimed was used *before* Steve blamed
his own post under his own name (with his IP listed) as being from his dog.
The Google record, of course, does not agree with Tim... the only posts with
the from line of "Steve Carroll's Dog" came *after* Steve blamed his own
post on his dog.
Of course, showing that Steve Carroll was the one posting with the name
"Steve Carroll's Dog", as opposed to just blaming his own post with his
"standard" name on his dog is not hard to do. I have already posted an
image showing Steve's posting times under the two names:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/posting_paws.png>
Tim Adams' claimed that, to him, that was "porn"... which creates a very big
"ick factor" trying to figure out why Tim thinks of porn when he thinks of
Steve and his dog.
The game now, just so you know, will be to insist that since an anonymous
Usenet client does not show an IP, that there is no proof that Steve posted
with the sock "Steve Carroll's Dog", and the fact that Steve clearly forged
text and lied about it will be ignored. Or, with Steve, he will blame me...
after all, there is that ancient Usenet video of me frying kittens that
makes his current actions just peachy. The fact Wally and Tim Adams jumped
in to Steve's defense and repeatedly lied will be ignored. No matter how
much evidence that there is that Steve was busted using another sock will be
ignored... because an anonymous account does not show an IP. Never mind
that the posts *do* show the same uncommon Usenet client that Steve often
uses for his socks (Edward Stanfield and others), and never mind that they
contain Steve's trademarked "tells"... the fact an anonymous post does not
show an IP will be trumpeted time and time again to "prove" Steve did not
post as the sock he clearly posted as.
Not like this dance has not been danced before.
-----
And you are still dancing the same dance, Tim. You are a pervert.
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Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
specifically about snits porn web site and even mentioned snit in his statement.
something you continue to ignore.
~more babbling snipped.
High Plains Thumper
> The game now, just so you know, will be to insist that since an
> anonymous Usenet client does not show an IP, that there is no proof
> that Steve posted with the sock "Steve Carroll's Dog", and the fact
> that Steve clearly forged text and lied about it will be ignored.
Er, no. Sandman made the point that some ISP's rather than show the IP
address directly, create a unique hash. Many free Usenet servers do
this, to cut down on nymshifting.
[quote]
But that's not all. The most solid proof is that Omar is posting from
the same IP that posts the Steve Carroll's Dog posts. The thing with the
x-private usenet service is that it encrypts your posting host, not hide
it altogether. So the posting host of Omar is
"$$$lwkkl$ulnwp.news.x-privat.org", which incidentally is the same as
Steve Carroll's Dog. I don't think anyone doubted that "Steve Carroll's
Dog" was Snit, but no one cared enough so Snit had to create a new sock
puppet; enter Omar.
[/quote]
http://csma.sandman.net/pages/michael_digest_new_sock_puppet
From: "Omar Murad Asfour" <OmarMuradAsf...@text2re.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:46:08 -0700
Message-ID: <4aa0...@news.x-privat.org>
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From: "Steve Carroll's Dog" <B...@Snit.com>
Subject: Is this for real?
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:04:53 -0700
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/1ecb327d512ffc6a?hl=en&dmode=source
Rather, Snit clearly forged the text as "Steve Carroll's Dog" and got
caught doing it.
> Or, with Steve, he will blame me... after all, there is that ancient
> Usenet video of me frying kittens that makes his current actions just
> peachy. The fact Wally and Tim Adams jumped in to Steve's defense
> and repeatedly lied will be ignored.
No one lied except for Snit.
> No matter how much evidence that there is that Steve was busted using
> another sock will be ignored... because an anonymous account does not
> show an IP.
No, instead Snit was busted, LOL.
> Never mind that the posts *do* show the same uncommon Usenet client
> that Steve often uses for his socks (Edward Stanfield and others),
> and never mind that they contain Steve's trademarked "tells"... the
> fact an anonymous post does not show an IP will be trumpeted time and
> time again to "prove" Steve did not post as the sock he clearly
> posted as.
Yup, whine, whine, whine.
> Not like this dance has not been danced before.
If it is called the "Snit Circus on Pathological Lies", yes, Snit dances
the same dance for the past 7 years.
> And you are still dancing the same dance, Tim. You are a pervert.
Typically Snit, adding an ad hominem insult, how unoriginal, so Snit.
--
HPT
Snit
7/1/10 3:16 AM:
> snipped
You just snip and run.
The fact is, Sandman describes his own actions as trolling. He is an
admitted troll. And you describe info about Steve and his "dog" as
"porn'... which makes you an admitted pervert.
There is no debate over this - just your begging for attention.
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
on 7/1/10 3:40 AM:
> Snit so predictably and wrong wrote:
>
>> The game now, just so you know, will be to insist that since an
>> anonymous Usenet client does not show an IP, that there is no proof
>> that Steve posted with the sock "Steve Carroll's Dog", and the fact
>> that Steve clearly forged text and lied about it will be ignored.
>
> Er, no. Sandman made the point that some ISP's rather than show the IP
> address directly, create a unique hash. Many free Usenet servers do
> this, to cut down on nymshifting.
>
> [quote]
> But that's not all. The most solid proof is that Omar is posting from
> the same IP that posts the Steve Carroll's Dog posts. The thing with the
> x-private usenet service is that it encrypts your posting host, not hide
> it altogether. So the posting host of Omar is
> "$$$lwkkl$ulnwp.news.x-privat.org", which incidentally is the same as
> Steve Carroll's Dog. I don't think anyone doubted that "Steve Carroll's
> Dog" was Snit, but no one cared enough so Snit had to create a new sock
> puppet; enter Omar.
> [/quote]
So Steve Carroll also posted as Omar. Ok. And Sandman lied and accused me.
Great - you can quote others lying about me. So what?
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
on 7/1/10 3:40 AM:
> Rather, Snit clearly forged the text as "Steve Carroll's Dog" and got
> caught doing it.
And you make accusations you cannot support.
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
on 7/1/10 3:40 AM:
> Snit so predictably and wrong wrote:
Why do you lie so much?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> Tim Adams stated:
>
>> snipped
>
> You [snipped]
You just snip and run.
> The fact is,
That Snit has no facts.
> Sandman describes his[^h^h^hSnit's] own actions as trolling.
> He[^h^hSnit] is an admitted troll. And you describe info about Steve
> and his "dog" as "porn'[^h^h^h^h^h^hSnit sock]... which makes
> you[^h^h^hSnit's sock] an admitted pervert.
>
> There is no debate over this - [Snit is] just your begging for
> [Tim's] attention.
IAWTP! ;)
--
HPT
Tim Adams
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> Tim Adams stated in post
> teadams$2$0$0$3-BAADCC.06...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
> 7/1/10 3:16 AM:
>
> > snipped
>
> You just
ignore reality and run. so typical of you snit.
Chance Furlong
<teadams$2$0$0$3-A749C5.20...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$3...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <C851E58D.75DF2%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> > Tim Adams stated in post
> > teadams$2$0$0$3-BAADCC.06...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net on
> > 7/1/10 3:16 AM:
> >
> > > snipped
> >
> > You just
>
> ignore reality and run. so typical of you snit.
Except when Snit begs for attention.
High Plains Thumper
> So [snip]
What.
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> And [snip]
Yes? Oh, I see ....
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> Why [snip]
"no a chicken?" - Chico Marx
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> Rick stated:
>
>> Yes, I understand my opinions are not representative of the
>> "general population" of "the Western world".
>
> Of course not... you parrot your herd's opinions in mantras you
> barely understand.
LOL, herd mantras from the likes of ceed (Snit), Joel Crump (Snit),
Rhino Plastee (Snit), Brock McNuggets (Snit), Thundercleats (Snit),
Sigmund (Snit) and ad nauseum (Snit), LOL!
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HPT