A Day in the Life of Joe Republican
Lloyd Parsons
repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
>
> Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
> his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
> tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. With
> his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His
> medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal
> fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised. All
> but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical
> plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for
> paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning
> breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some
> girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing
> industry.
>
> In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
> properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
> contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
> what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe
> dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes
> is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws
> to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway
> station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him
> considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some
> fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation,
> which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
>
> Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical
> benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy
> liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
> Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
> want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or
> becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment
> check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his
> home because of his temporary misfortune.
>
> It's noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some
> bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some
> godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
> bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
>
> Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
> below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal
> decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was
> educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
>
> Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
> his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
> car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
> liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood
> home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by
> Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make
> rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big
> government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded
> rural electrification.
>
> He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on
> Social Security and a union pension because some wine drinking, cheese
> eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't
> have to.
>
> Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk
> show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
> conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
> Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
> enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big
> government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man
> who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
> have."
Steve Hix
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
Well, I'm a Democrat, and have been registered and voting as one for
the past 30 years. It's not bad enough that both sides are fouling the
well in other groups by cross-posting all sorts of dreck, you have to
bring it here, too. How very special.
*PLONK*
Lloyd Parsons
Hix <se...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote:
Aww, poor baby. I'll probably not be able to sleep tonight 'cause you
plonked me! ;-)
Snit
230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com on 9/23/04 9:02 PM:
Joe? I thought the story was about George? :)
George Graves
What a bunch of liberal hogwash. It's so transparent of a strawman
argument that it isn't even funny. Who says that conservatives aren't in
favor of clean air and water? Unions? Unions are one reason why jobs
started moving offshore. The goddamn union organizers got so silly with
their demands, they went too far. Now instead of protecting jobs, unions
lose them - and their stupid collective bargaining was powerless when
the whole fucking plant up and relocated to China, now wasn't it? What
are the unions doing for the thousands that used to work at that plant,
now, Mr, Liberal? Unions sure have helped the US worker, yes sir.
Herbert Hoover said it best: "The business of America IS business." This
country worked when that was the way of things. It doesn't work any
more, Mr, Liberal, and you can blame Conservatives, but I know that the
fault you knee-jerk Liberals who are so collectively stupid that you
have never had idea one about when enough is enough.
So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells us that
the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good for
the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
--
George Graves
------------------
Every guy owes himself at least one Ferrari before he dies
StormDrain
<gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
>
> > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> >
> >
> > A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
<snipped for brevity>
> Unions sure have helped the US worker, yes sir.
You betcha. It's only been recently that the repugs found it cost
effective to export entire manufacturing facilities to their good
buddies in Communist China, military Burma or anywhere else they don't
have the silly "Bill of Rights" to contend with. They used to import
most cheap labor (Blacks, Chinese, Irish etc) now, for the most part,
they don't have to.
Of course we buy the junk they sell don't we? For those interested in
buying American try these for starters
http://www.unionjeancompany.com/index.php
http://www.best-khakis.com/
http://www.buyamericanmart.com/
Lots more american made stuff around, gotta love this internet :)
http://mypersonalstyle.com/madeinusa.htm
http://www.bac-america.org/
> Herbert Hoover said it best: "The business of America IS business." This
> country worked when that was the way of things. It doesn't work any
> more, Mr, Liberal, and you can blame Conservatives, but I know that the
> fault you knee-jerk Liberals who are so collectively stupid that you
> have never had idea one about when enough is enough.
>
> So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells us that
> the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
> one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good for
> the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
> Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
--
SD
"...merely a preponderance of evidence."
Lloyd Parsons
<gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Well, I see it woke you up!!!
Let's talk about those unions. YOUR pay is indirectly tied to them,
yep if it hadn't been for those unions, your employers would be paying
you so much less. I know that as a conservative, you don't agree with
that, but business NEVER paid a dime more than paupers wages until
forced to.
And I just did a quick look back over what I posted, and nothing in
there about 'multiculturalism, pacifism, one-world government' and all
that other drivel you threw in while typing.
Steve Mackay
Complete, and utter bullshit. The market drives our salaries. NOT the
Unions. While the unions had their place up until about 20-30 years ago.
They don't now IMHO.
Have you ever worked in a UAW atmosphere?
John
What is very interesting is that George is the first person I have seen that
has wrote something negative about that post. Republicans always ignore it
on the political newsgroups because they have no factual way to respond to
it. Looks like George just decided to inject some fantasy in his
response.
Steve Mackay
You took the words out of my mouth George. The person who wrote this had
OBVIOUSLY *NEVER* worked in a Union. I have worked in 3 seperate Union
tool and die/ machine shops in my career. And If I can help it, I never
will again. There is one, and only ONE thing that the union does right
now. Protects people who don't want to work for a living. It makes it
nearly impossible to fire a completely usesless employee. It actually
keeps wages DOWN for productive employees by putting multi-tiered pay
scales up. The Unions have all but killed the American industrial sector.
Since when does a guy putting lug nuts on a GM truck need to be paid $30
an hour? That's just silly. But that is indeed what they make in
Janesville, Wisconsin.
A Union molding plant? If I never set foot in one again, it will be too
soon. It's a wasted day going to see the "1st shots" on some of the molds
I've designed and built. Gotta wait several hours for the crane
operator. Gotta wait several hours for the union electrician to wire it
up, then gotta wait hours for the setup guy to try and fumble his way to
dialing it in. All the while, I can't touch a thing, since I'm not in the
union. A non-union shop? Well, I can be in and out of there in under 3
hours, with parts in hand to show the guys who helped machine and build
the mold. And if there *WAS* a problem with the molding process. I can
lend a helping hand(hell, I did design the damn thing).
The *ONLY* productive Union I've ever seen is at the Harley Davidson plant
in Milwaukee.
So Lloyd, please excuse us, if we don't believe your little fantasy.
Steve Mackay
So, let me ask you this StormDrain. What make/model car do *YOU* drive?
You hit the nail on the head when you said "Of course we buy the junk they
sell, don't we". That *IS* the problem. Personally, I own two American
made cars(Chrysler Town & Country, and a Dodge Ram), and 5 American made
motorcycles(3 Buells, 2 Harleys). While technically, the Dodge Ram is
actually made in Mexico. It was the good 'ole boy Clinton that helped ship
jobs on down there IIRC. That was according to the UAW propiganda I got
while working in a UAW machine shop. This was after he assured the UAW
he'd not sign Nafta. Now this is all working from memory, so I could be
wrong.
Lloyd Parsons
<steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, certainly not complete and utter....
The market is the prime driver these days, but it is the unions that
made it so. And you can bet your sweet ass that the day the last union
shuts its doors, shit will hit the fan.
Evidence is abounding that shows exactly what business will do to keep
wages down. Noticed the loss of jobs, notice that the jobs lost are
being replaced by lower paying jobs, or the self-employed or
independent contractor jobs replacing them also. Almost all at a net
loss to the individuals, while business is busy moving our jobs out of
the country with the help of the republican controlled government and
the tax boon to make those moves.
But, the unions are also part of the problem because they pushed too
hard and now don't know how to back down. Couple that with the fact
that much of the union leadership is now running some of the largest
businesses around and has the same greedy crap going on that all too
many of our corporations are pulling. You got a problem.
Here's one that is close to my heart, because if affects too many
friends. Horizon Coal (I may have that name wrong) is going bankrupt,
and the courts are allowing that bankruptcy to let them out of the
union contracts that provided the retirement and health benefits for
coal miners. Those miners paid their dues, followed the rules, but the
corporate run government doesn't care.
Just so you know where I'm coming from, as far as I'm concerned a new
3rd political party is so long overdue in this country that it is
scary. A pox on both democrats and republicans!
Lloyd Parsons
Lloyd Parsons
That is one thing Perot was dead on right about, the 'great sucking
sound' of our money and jobs going south.
All this proves is that our corporate run government needs radical
change. As long as the big money can control the elections the way
they do now, us working folk are fucked!!
John
I'll bet you have taken a number of falls from those bikes while not wearing
a helmet.
Steve Mackay
Yup. Which is why I voted for Perot.
>
> All this proves is that our corporate run government needs radical
> change. As long as the big money can control the elections the way
> they do now, us working folk are fucked!!
Yup, and if *ANYONE* believes EITHER party is going to do anything about
it, they are dulusional.
Steve Mackay
Then you bet wrong. I have taken ONE, and only ONE fall from a bike. That
was on some dew covered grass at a camp site. I wear a helmet 99% of the
time.
StormDrain
Good for you, you've fixed blame...now help fix the problem...K? :)
BTW my grandfather fought in the front lines of the labor movement (the
machinists union), I'm sure if he were still alive he'd be glad to tell
you how "market driven" wages were and will become without the threat of
unions in the market.
John
But on the day you took that fall you hit your head.
MuahMan
"George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME history.
Communism has failed.
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> >> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> >>> > So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells us that
> > the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
> > one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good for
> > the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
> > Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
> >
> > --
> > George Graves
> > ------------------
>
> Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME history.
> Communism has failed.
>
Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
politics and history....
MuahMan
"StormDrain" <Lib...@MS-Free.com> wrote in message
news:Liberty-341788...@cnews.newsguy.com...
Sure, Unions are great. I remember last year I went to a huge
computer/telephony show at the LA Convention Center. We had a booth to
setup. I was suppossed to set it up. Anyways, so I start unpacking the boxes
and then setting up my booth. After a few minutes about 8-10 large fellow
with union badges come up to me and tell me that only the unions can set up
the booths and the cost is like a grand. I was like no thanks, I got it.
But nooooooo, I was literally strong armed and threatened. It was complete
strong arm mafia stuff. Scared the shit outta me. I can't believe that
shit's legal but thanks to the hard work of the democrats.........
>
MuahMan
"Steve Mackay" <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com...
You are correct. America is dead. We pretend that Republican or Democrat
makes a difference when inside we all know it's too late. The Democrats
have killed the middle class, utterly destroyed it. The Republicans have
alienated the poor people dependant on the government programs. The typical
American has had it to good for too long and just wants to sit back and
asses blame on the president because they are too lazy to responsibility. I
guess that's why I hate Democrats so much. They want the government to
control every facet of their life because they are too lazy, too uneducated,
and typically just want something for nothing. I'm appalled that people
actually believe some suit in Washington will look out for their best
interests!!!!!! I mean you are lucky if you can trust your wife in this day
of reality tv, but democrats are perfectly willing to give all my rights and
my money to some shithead that spent 200 million to get elected!!! I'd say
wake up, but it's too late.
>
>
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Your company either was informed, or failed to find out what contract
for the booth's requirements was. That you either didn't know it, or
more likely were clueless <G>, isn't their problem.
Nothing to do with democrats, but all to do with contracts.
MuahMan
"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
news:240920040730229535%lloydp...@spamac.com...
Are you fucking retarded?!?! Ever heard of the Soviet Union?!?!?!? The
worlds largest labor Union?!?! Holy fuck you are stupid. How's that Union
work for all the people it was saving anyway?
>
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just because the right wing pundits say all that about democrats
doesn't make it so.
The problem is who is in control of each party at the moment...
Currently the republicans have the christian right in control and the
democrats have the ultra liberals in control.
What you want and need is for the more moderate of both parties to
reassert their dominance as in the past. Damn tough job because being
moderate means less fire in the rhetoric. And with 24/7
news/commentary, talk radio and the internet, the more moderate in each
party have difficulty getting their message out.
Congress and the President have most always worked better when there is
a need for compromise. Why else would the constitution set it all up
the way it is. When one party, which is controlled by one faction is
in control of all branches, then you get bad law, wars we didn't need
to be in and other such calamities.
That's why we seriously need to start voting 'not the incumbent' in all
elections for a few cycles, send them the message that we the people
are fed up with the negative campaigning, the radical positions on
issues and their kowtowing to the corporate greed. That goes for both
parties....
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hmm....
And just when I thought you couldn't post anything dumber than usual,
you post this!
MuahMan
You mean the contract that FORCES you to pay $1000 dollars to setup a both
with 4 pieces that can be built by a 10 year old in under ten minutes?
Forget it, it's hopeless. Democrats actually defending the behavior.
>
MuahMan
Oh you mean like my B.S. in U.S. History or my 234 page thesis on the Civil
War?
>
MuahMan
fishing, but first you have to cash your paycheck that the government run
mail delivered to you three days late.
You are excited because you started a new job and got a big raise. However
you open your check and realize that your new job and raise bumped you to a
higher tax bracket so you make exactly the same! This bums you out alot and
you think to yourself, "why did I bother to work harder than the democrat
next to you who is making the same money even though his salary is 20% less
and he's illiterate."
However you move on from this and pack up to the car to go fishing. You need
gas so you stop at the gas station. While pumping your $2.15 cent a gallon
gas you read the sticker on the pump. It's says the price of the gas is only
.54 cents a gallon. .54 cents a gallon!!!! Where is the other $1.50 coming
from... oh wait you read further.... you have to add the city tax, county
tax, state tax, and federal tax. So you pay your $40 dollars to fill up
your new car that you just registered and paid a sales tax of over 2k on.
Whatever, you are determined to not let anything ruin this beautiful day.
You hop back in your car and head to the fishing store to buy some new
lures. You find some great lures and get in line to buy them. The guy in
front of you is taking forever because he buying tons of stuff along with
beer, cigarettes, and candy. He pays with food stamps and doesn't have to
pay taxes. While he leaves you accidently trip him up a bit. You apologize
but it's too late, he screams at you, "you white middle aged racist
fucker!!!!!" Everyone else in the store assumes you are and someone calls
the cops. You get a ticket for a hate crime and a date to appear in court
to pay your fine (tax). Ugh!
Anyway, nothing is going to ruin this beautful day. You hop on the highway
to head to the beach. BAM massive traffic jam. You are stuck because the Big
Dig construction. Which is weird because you paid tons of taxes for this
project and it was scheduled to be done three years ago!!!!!!! As you drive
slowly by the construction area you see a guy holding a sign that says
"SLOW". He's in a Union and getting paid twice what you are as a nuclear
pyshicist. He has 13 other guys standing right next to him in case he gets
tired. The other 13 guys also make more than you even though none of them
can read. What really bugs you though is that you recognize one of them.
One of them is the guy that broke into your house and killed your daughter
just six months earlier!!!!!! This really bothers you and you scream at the
guy, "You were found guilty of a murdering my daughter!!! How the fuck did
you get out of prison!?!?! Didn't they give you the death penalty?"
He replies, "No, I was rehabilitated in prison in 6 months" "I am on trial
though for another murder I did last week" "My lawyer got lots of democrats
on my jury and I blamed my agression on my parents raising me wrong and I
also said I got molested by a priest so they went easy on me."
Still determined to have a good day you make it through the first traffic
jam. BAM, you hit a second one! It's not as bad though, it's a toll (tax)
booth setup to cover the 51 billion dollars of over-budget spending on the
Big Dig that nobody knows where it went. (Strangely though all the democrats
that approved the budget have nice new beach front houses in the Cape and
driving a phat new BMW M5s).
While waiting in line at the toll booth you take your seat belt off to get
more comfortable. About the time you do this a cop drives by, see's this and
pulls you over. He informs you that state government has determined that you
must wear your seat belt whether you want to or not. It's not your choice,
it's the governments choice. He gives you a tax(ticket) to pay though and
it's ok.
Finally you get to beach!!! 3 hours later and 67 dollars lighter in the
wallet after all the taxes. You pull into the Public beach but BAM! You
have to pay $15 dollars to park, another tax! Also since you didn't go to
the town hall to get you in-resident sticker (which costs a 25 dollar tax)
you have to pay $25 to park instead.
Fine, you pay and park. You go to the beach and it's beautiful. You throw
your line in BAM. FISH ON!!!! It's a big dolphin!! You take a picture of it
and release it. However while you were fishing a democraticly funded group
called Save The Dolphins calls you a murderer and throws a pail of pigs
blood on you! After this you see the game warden approaching. He asks to
see your fishing license. "Fishing Licenese? you think to yourself... Isn't
this the ocean? The government owns the ocean now too?!?!?!?"
You tell the game warden that you are just fishing to have fun and practice
catch and release. You also tell him that the ocean belongs to everyone not
the US, State, or Local Government. He doesn't listen, pulls out his gun
and confiscates all your fishing equipment. Tells you should have paid the
fishing tax, writes you a $500 ticket and goes on his way.
Furious you head back to your car. On the way you see the game warden
selling your fishing equipment to the guy you called a racist in the fishing
store. He pockets the money.
When you get to the car, you see the convicted murderer breaking into your
car. You take pictures of the crime but decide that since he's black you
better not accuse him of anything or risk being labeled a racist.
You snap, go to Walmart and buy a shotgun and kill yourself.
Ahhhhhh democrats.
"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
news:230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com...
>I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
>
>
>> A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
>>
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Degrees don't impress me. I've met both the smartest and the dumbest
with PHD's.
And while the Civil War thesis is probably pretty good (I don't know,
you didn't send me a copy! <G>), I think some things have changed since
then just a little.
MuahMan
Which is exactly the problem. We needed the south to win as it was NOT ABOUT
slavery but about state and individual rights.
>
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Talk about revisionist history, the Civil War was more about economics
than anything else. But I'm sure the copy of your thesis that you're
sending me will correct my thoughts....
John
He needs to age another 50 years to catch up to your experience Lloyd.
John
At least the democrats don't want goverment in the bedroom like Bush and
company.
Snit
240920040805537408%lloydp...@spamac.com on 9/24/04 6:06 AM:
LOL... as I said... the name in the article should have been George, not
Joe.
Great article... should keep the right wingers squirming for a while to
come. To bad they will never see how true it is. :)
Snit
pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com on 9/24/04 6:24 AM:
LOL... very defensive about this issue, eh? Wonder why... :)
MuahMan
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:10l8lna...@news.supernews.com...
The problem is experience should be teaching you morons stuff. For instance
we've had people like John and Lloyd before. We've heard all about the
utopian soceity you guys dream of. Where we all dress the same, look the
same, get paid the same, one supreme government being collects all the money
and distributes as he see's fit....... I belive Russia tried to implement
this as did Germany...... how'd it work out for them?
>
>
>
Snit
CLX4d.96148$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net on 9/24/04 9:17 AM:
> You wake up and it's a beautful day out. You decide to go the beach and go
> fishing, but first you have to cash your paycheck that the government run
> mail delivered to you three days late.
Why not use direct deposit? For that matter, why is the mail three days
late? Where I am the mail *has* to be reliable enough so that people can
vote with it. When it failed at that, there was a huge uproar and things
were changed... my local mail gets to me in one day.
>
> You are excited because you started a new job and got a big raise. However
> you open your check and realize that your new job and raise bumped you to a
> higher tax bracket so you make exactly the same!
Not possible. Your higher tax bracket only affects the money you make above
a certain level.
> This bums you out alot
You mean "a lot"... let me guess... you were "educated" in a private school.
:)
> and you think to yourself, "why did I bother to work harder than the democrat
> next to you who is making the same money even though his salary is 20% less
> and he's illiterate."
You sound bitter. Perhaps you should learn the facts.
>
> However you move on from this and pack up to the car to go fishing.
Ahhh... the nice safe car that was talked about in the "Joe" example...
cool.
> You need gas so you stop at the gas station. While pumping your $2.15 cent a
> gallon gas you read the sticker on the pump. It's says the price of the gas is
> only .54 cents a gallon. .54 cents a gallon!!!! Where is the other $1.50
> coming from... oh wait you read further.... you have to add the city tax,
> county tax, state tax, and federal tax. So you pay your $40 dollars to fill
> up your new car that you just registered and paid a sales tax of over 2k on.
$40! Why did you buy such a gas guzzling behemoth! You make dumb choices
and then want *my* sympathy. Sorry, not gonna get it from me.
>
> Whatever, you are determined to not let anything ruin this beautiful day.
Your attitude seems to be doing it...
> You hop back in your car and head to the fishing store to buy some new
> lures. You find some great lures and get in line to buy them. The guy in
> front of you is taking forever because he buying tons of stuff along with
> beer, cigarettes, and candy. He pays with food stamps and doesn't have to
> pay taxes.
Turn the shop keeper in. Should not be able to buy most of that with food
stamps.
> While he leaves you accidently trip him up a bit. You apologize but it's too
> late, he screams at you, "you white middle aged racist fucker!!!!!"
While he has no evidence, he is probably right.
> Everyone else in the store assumes you are and someone calls the cops. You
> get a ticket for a hate crime and a date to appear in court to pay your fine
> (tax). Ugh!
Can you show *any* example of this happening? What are you talking about?
Maybe there was one example of some bizarre event similar to that... but...
wow... you are going over the bend here.
>
> Anyway, nothing is going to ruin this beautful day.
Seems you are trying very, very hard.
> You hop on the highway
One made relatively safe by the government... using tax dollars from gas
most likely... the same tax you bitched about above but are happy to take
advantage of here and give no credit or make any connection... odd...
> to head to the beach. BAM massive traffic jam. You are stuck because the Big
> Dig construction. Which is weird because you paid tons of taxes for this
> project and it was scheduled to be done three years ago!!!!!!!
Yeah, worth bitching about... when I lived in Nevada they were real bad
about that. Where I am now they *tend* to be better - but not great.
> As you drive slowly by the construction area you see a guy holding a sign that
> says "SLOW". He's in a Union and getting paid twice what you are as a nuclear
> pyshicist.
You should push for a union... wow... you are being heavily ripped off.
> He has 13 other guys standing right next to him in case he gets tired. The
> other 13 guys also make more than you even though none of them can read.
How do you know? Seems you are making stuff up.
> What really bugs you though is that you recognize one of them. One of them is
> the guy that broke into your house and killed your daughter just six months
> earlier!!!!!!
Um, wow... you seem to be really going over the bend here...
> This really bothers you and you scream at the guy, "You were found guilty of a
> murdering my daughter!!! How the fuck did you get out of prison!?!?! Didn't
> they give you the death penalty?" He replies, "No, I was rehabilitated in
> prison in 6 months"
Any support for this? Any politician's web site you can point to who
supports it? Somehow I doubt it.
> "I am on trial though for another murder I did last week" "My lawyer got lots
> of democrats on my jury and I blamed my agression on my parents raising me
> wrong and I also said I got molested by a priest so they went easy on me."
You mean the prosecution was that incompetent? And what Democrats support
such hog wash? Again, any support for the claim here?
>
> Still determined to have a good day
Still? Seems you woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Or maybe just the
wrong side of the political divide.
> you make it through the first traffic jam. BAM, you hit a second one! It's not
> as bad though, it's a toll (tax) booth setup to cover the 51 billion dollars
> of over-budget spending on the Big Dig that nobody knows where it went.
> (Strangely though all the democrats that approved the budget have nice new
> beach front houses in the Cape and driving a phat new BMW M5s).
What makes you think it was all Dem's that approved it? Again, point to a
reference here.
>
> While waiting in line at the toll booth you take your seat belt off to get
> more comfortable. About the time you do this a cop drives by, see's this and
> pulls you over.
In most states that is illegal... they can not pull you over for just taking
off your seat belt.
> He informs you that state government has determined that you must wear your
> seat belt whether you want to or not. It's not your choice, it's the
> governments choice. He gives you a tax(ticket) to pay though and it's ok.
Let me guess: if you got into an accident you would want me to pay for your
care even though you refused to wear a belt, right?
>
> Finally you get to beach!!! 3 hours later and 67 dollars lighter in the
> wallet after all the taxes. You pull into the Public beach but BAM! You
> have to pay $15 dollars to park, another tax! Also since you didn't go to
> the town hall to get you in-resident sticker (which costs a 25 dollar tax)
> you have to pay $25 to park instead.
>
> Fine, you pay and park. You go to the beach and it's beautiful. You throw
> your line in BAM. FISH ON!!!! It's a big dolphin!! You take a picture of it
> and release it. However while you were fishing a democraticly funded group
> called Save The Dolphins calls you a murderer and throws a pail of pigs
> blood on you!
Um... perhaps you didn't wake up on the wrong side of the bed. Perhaps you
are still asleep.
> After this you see the game warden approaching. He asks to
> see your fishing license. "Fishing Licenese? you think to yourself... Isn't
> this the ocean? The government owns the ocean now too?!?!?!?"
Do you own it?
> You tell the game warden that you are just fishing to have fun and practice
> catch and release. You also tell him that the ocean belongs to everyone not
> the US, State, or Local Government.
In other words... you do not own it.
> He doesn't listen, pulls out his gun and confiscates all your fishing
> equipment. Tells you should have paid the fishing tax, writes you a $500
> ticket and goes on his way.
>
> Furious you head back to your car. On the way you see the game warden
> selling your fishing equipment to the guy you called a racist in the fishing
> store. He pockets the money.
Why not turn him in? Seems you see lots of laws being broken in your
dreams... maybe you need to seek help.
> When you get to the car, you see the convicted murderer breaking into your
> car. You take pictures of the crime but decide that since he's black you
> better not accuse him of anything or risk being labeled a racist.
Wow... even when you see someone breaking into your car and you get pictures
you do nothing. You are a pretty stupid person... oh, and how did they guy
find you again? Oh yes... this is all your dream... nothing to do with
reality.
>
> You snap, go to Walmart and buy a shotgun and kill yourself.
Well, seems the system does work.
Wait: how did you get it so quickly? There should be a waiting period to
save you from your own stupidity.
>
> Ahhhhhh democrats.
You seem to be complaining about a lot of individual behavior of people
whose political views you know nothing about... and ignoring your own
responsibility.
Thanks for the insight into your views.
MuahMan
Yes they do. They want to be in your bedroom. Your living room, dining room.
They want to pick what you eat, who you sleep with (preferrably a
homosexual), everything.
>
>
>
Snit
Thank you for some more insight into your delusional mind...
MuahMan
has issues it's not me.
"Snit" <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote in message
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Warchild
"MuahMan" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:iSW4d.95883$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
You have just demonstrated that you know fuck-all about 1. Unions. 2.
Soviet Russia.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> In article <g0W4d.95616$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > > In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> > > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > >> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> > >>> > So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells us that
> > > the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
> > > one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good for
> > > the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
> > > Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
> > >
> > > --
> > > George Graves
> > > ------------------
> >
> > Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME history.
> > Communism has failed.
> >
> Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
> back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
> politics and history....
I'm about the same age you are Parsons. I lived the same US history you
did, and I see everything that's wrong with this country as being the
direct fault of decades of domination in both houses of Congress by the
F__king Democrats. How come you can't see that?
--
George Graves
------------------
Lloyd Parsons
<gmgravesnos-A786...@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Probably because we see things differently and that things you think
are terrible, I might actually like....
MuahMan
For instance I think the dilution of the American constitution terrible. The
democrats however love trampling on it.
George Graves
"MuahMan" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not to liberals it wasn't. The left-wing revisionists are so hell-bent
to change that bit of history, that they don't even try to hide it. I
suspect that within 50 years you won't be able to find ONE history book
that even mentions state's rights. They will all say that the "Civil
War" started over slavery. Hell, if you watch PBS' (Public Brainwashing
System) "The Civil War", they all but say that there!
John
Because he is sane!
Lloyd Parsons
<mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Really? I thought it was this congress and president that passed the
patriot act.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> > >
> > >
> > So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells us that
> > the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
> > one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good for
> > the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
> > Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
>
> Well, I see it woke you up!!!
>
> Let's talk about those unions. YOUR pay is indirectly tied to them,
> yep if it hadn't been for those unions, your employers would be paying
> you so much less. I know that as a conservative, you don't agree with
> that, but business NEVER paid a dime more than paupers wages until
> forced to.
Unions were necessary at one time, I'll grant that. But they haven't
been necessary for many decades. Henry Ford, for all of his faults, did
understand the meaning of a decent wage for a decent days' work, and
implemented the $5/day wage for his autoworkers in 1914 at a time when
there were no unions at any auto plants in the nation, and there was no
pressure from the threat of unionization at Ford either. It's called
enlightened management, and it is a product of the 20th century just as
Marxist labor unions were the product of the late 19th (you don't think
labor unions were Marxist? Read up on Samuel Gompers and then get back
to me).
> And I just did a quick look back over what I posted, and nothing in
> there about 'multiculturalism, pacifism, one-world government' and all
> that other drivel you threw in while typing.
No, there wasn't, the stuff that story mentions is supposed to be the
results of "yesterday's" liberal agenda. As in we Americans have
benefitted so much from the work done by liberals in the past. The
implication being that if yesterday's liberal agenda has resulted in the
benefits of the modern life we enjoy today, then today's liberal agenda
(multiculturalism, pacifism, one-world government, and draconian
Socialism/Communism) will result in an even better world tomorrow.
THAT'S the point I make and it's all hogwash.
George Graves
> > And I just did a quick look back over what I posted, and nothing in
> > there about 'multiculturalism, pacifism, one-world government' and all
> > that other drivel you threw in while typing.
>
>
> What is very interesting is that George is the first person I have seen that
> has wrote something negative about that post. Republicans always ignore it
> on the political newsgroups because they have no factual way to respond to
> it. Looks like George just decided to inject some fantasy in his
> response.
If what I said is fantasy, we need more of it in this country.
George Graves
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
It's all bullshit.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> In article <pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com>, Steve Mackay
> <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Complete, and utter bullshit. The market drives our salaries. NOT the
> > Unions. While the unions had their place up until about 20-30 years ago.
> > They don't now IMHO.
> >
> > Have you ever worked in a UAW atmosphere?
> >
> Well, certainly not complete and utter....
>
> The market is the prime driver these days, but it is the unions that
> made it so. And you can bet your sweet ass that the day the last union
> shuts its doors, shit will hit the fan.
Not so. The last Union will shut it's doors the day the last job is
shipped off-shore because the companies can't afford to pay unskilled
union workers $30/hr and still manufacture a competitive product. That's
what will kill the unions. Also, Silicon Valley has never had unions,
and the semiconductor industry has traditionally been among the highest
paying employers in the nation -even for the grunt workers.
>
> Evidence is abounding that shows exactly what business will do to keep
> wages down. Noticed the loss of jobs, notice that the jobs lost are
> being replaced by lower paying jobs, or the self-employed or
> independent contractor jobs replacing them also. Almost all at a net
> loss to the individuals, while business is busy moving our jobs out of
> the country with the help of the republican controlled government and
> the tax boon to make those moves.
Jobs move offshore because unskilled Union grunts get $30-$35/hr for
putting a nut on a bolt. This drives manufacturing costs to the point
where American manufacturers cannot compete price-wise with foreign
goods. This was all fine and good when the US was a closed economy, and
everybody had union workers and competed only with each other. But it
doesn't work now.
> But, the unions are also part of the problem because they pushed too
> hard and now don't know how to back down.
Didn't I say that in my response that you and your Commie supporters
called my "republican fantasy?"
GreyCloud
Warchild wrote:
>>
>>Are you fucking retarded?!?! Ever heard of the Soviet Union?!?!?!? The
>>worlds largest labor Union?!?!
>
>
> You have just demonstrated that you know fuck-all about 1. Unions. 2.
> Soviet Russia.
>
Erm... in the Soviet Union of old, every one had the right to work and
was always given some kind of job. I could presuppose that this is what
the unions would ultimately desire for their workers. But as usual, not
everybody gets to do what they love, so they end up hating their job.
--
---------------------------------
The Golden Years Sux.
GreyCloud
Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>
>>Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME history.
>>Communism has failed.
>>
>
> Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
> back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
> politics and history....
I'm curious as to where you lived 60 years of history.
I know some people that have lived thru hell as children in WWII in
Germany. Everyones' experience of events are always different from the
next, and colors their perceptions.
George Graves
StormDrain <Lib...@MS-Free.com> wrote:
> In article
> <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> > >
> > >
> > > A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
>
> <snipped for brevity>
>
> > Unions sure have helped the US worker, yes sir.
>
> You betcha. It's only been recently that the repugs found it cost
> effective to export entire manufacturing facilities to their good
> buddies in Communist China, military Burma or anywhere else they don't
> have the silly "Bill of Rights" to contend with. They used to import
> most cheap labor (Blacks, Chinese, Irish etc) now, for the most part,
> they don't have to.
Thank the unions for driving jobs offshore.
>
> Of course we buy the junk they sell don't we?
They wouldn't be making it if we didn't.
For those interested in
> buying American try these for starters
>
> http://www.unionjeancompany.com/index.php
> http://www.best-khakis.com/
> http://www.buyamericanmart.com/
>
> Lots more american made stuff around, gotta love this internet :)
>
> http://mypersonalstyle.com/madeinusa.htm
> http://www.bac-america.org/
The problem with buying "American" is that often the union made stuff is
inferior in quality (look at American cars vs Japanese of German for
instance) because the workers don't give a damn. The Unions will protect
their jobs. Why work?
George Graves
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:23:40 -0700, StormDrain wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> > George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> >> > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
> >
> > <snipped for brevity>
> >
> >> Unions sure have helped the US worker, yes sir.
> >
> > You betcha. It's only been recently that the repugs found it cost
> > effective to export entire manufacturing facilities to their good
> > buddies in Communist China, military Burma or anywhere else they don't
> > have the silly "Bill of Rights" to contend with. They used to import
> > most cheap labor (Blacks, Chinese, Irish etc) now, for the most part,
> > they don't have to.
> >
> > Of course we buy the junk they sell don't we? For those interested in
> > buying American try these for starters
> >
> > http://www.unionjeancompany.com/index.php
> > http://www.best-khakis.com/
> > http://www.buyamericanmart.com/
> >
> > Lots more american made stuff around, gotta love this internet :)
> >
> > http://mypersonalstyle.com/madeinusa.htm
> > http://www.bac-america.org/
>
> So, let me ask you this StormDrain. What make/model car do *YOU* drive?
> You hit the nail on the head when you said "Of course we buy the junk they
> sell, don't we". That *IS* the problem. Personally, I own two American
> made cars(Chrysler Town & Country, and a Dodge Ram), and 5 American made
> motorcycles(3 Buells, 2 Harleys). While technically, the Dodge Ram is
> actually made in Mexico. It was the good 'ole boy Clinton that helped ship
> jobs on down there IIRC. That was according to the UAW propiganda I got
> while working in a UAW machine shop. This was after he assured the UAW
> he'd not sign Nafta. Now this is all working from memory, so I could be
> wrong.
You're right.
GreyCloud
Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>
>>Oh you mean like my B.S. in U.S. History or my 234 page thesis on the Civil
>>War?
>>
>
> Degrees don't impress me. I've met both the smartest and the dumbest
> with PHD's.
>
I remember those... BS degree-> well we know that one... MS degree->
more of the same, and PhD degree-> Piled higher and deeper. :-))
No disrespect to MuahMan tho. Just remembered this from ages ago.
> And while the Civil War thesis is probably pretty good (I don't know,
> you didn't send me a copy! <G>), I think some things have changed since
> then just a little.
Of course we have to ask Muahman if he knows anything about the 100
Years limitation law regarding who killed Abraham Lincoln.
I've heard that it was the secretary of war back then that conspired
this to be.
Lloyd Parsons
<mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME history.
> >>Communism has failed.
> >>
> >
> > Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
> > back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
> > politics and history....
>
> I'm curious as to where you lived 60 years of history.
> I know some people that have lived thru hell as children in WWII in
> Germany. Everyones' experience of events are always different from the
> next, and colors their perceptions.
For the first 40+, I was around or in the Navy. The last 20 in a very
small town in very rural America.
GreyCloud
Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> In article <f7Y4d.96275$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
>>news:240920041128216333%lloydp...@spamac.com...
>>
>>>In article <YKX4d.96144$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
>>><mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:240920040940086665%lloydp...@spamac.com...
>>>>
>>>>>In article <g0W4d.95616$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
>>>>><mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
>>>>>>>Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells
>>>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
>>>>>>>one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
>>>>>>>Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>George Graves
>>>>>>>------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME
>>>>>>history.
>>>>>>Communism has failed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
>>>>>back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
>>>>>politics and history....
>>>>
>>>>Oh you mean like my B.S. in U.S. History or my 234 page thesis on the
>>>>Civil
>>>>War?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Degrees don't impress me. I've met both the smartest and the dumbest
>>>with PHD's.
>>>
>>>And while the Civil War thesis is probably pretty good (I don't know,
>>>you didn't send me a copy! <G>), I think some things have changed since
>>>then just a little.
>>
>>Which is exactly the problem. We needed the south to win as it was NOT ABOUT
>>slavery but about state and individual rights.
>>
>
> Talk about revisionist history, the Civil War was more about economics
> than anything else. But I'm sure the copy of your thesis that you're
> sending me will correct my thoughts....
An old intel saying: where there's smoke there's money.
I remember well that slavery was about the last issue involved that
caused the civil war. What wasn't in our history books was that the
French were down off the south waiting for the British in the North in
Canada to start at the appropriate time to invade at the point of
greatest weakness. Unfortunately for both, the Russians were also off
the coast ready to blast both ships and invade to stop them.
On this one point of historical interest, does anybody else have more to
add to this?
GreyCloud
MuahMan wrote:
>>
>>Degrees don't impress me. I've met both the smartest and the dumbest
>>with PHD's.
>>
>>And while the Civil War thesis is probably pretty good (I don't know,
>>you didn't send me a copy! <G>), I think some things have changed since
>>then just a little.
>
>
> Which is exactly the problem. We needed the south to win as it was NOT ABOUT
> slavery but about state and individual rights.
>
If you REALLY wan't to learn history, then get hired by one of the
intelligence agencies. They'll tell you, and even show you some things
that'll make the hair on your neck stand up. Besides, you'll know some
things that you wish you hadn't.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> In article <pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com>, Steve Mackay
> <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:23:40 -0700, StormDrain wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> > >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > >> > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> That is one thing Perot was dead on right about, the 'great sucking
> sound' of our money and jobs going south.
>
> All this proves is that our corporate run government needs radical
> change. As long as the big money can control the elections the way
> they do now, us working folk are fucked!!
Blame the unions and blame Democrats for high corporate taxes. This is
what sends jobs off-shore. And its the Democrats who have done it, make
no mistake. You may think that the Democrats are the party of the
working man and that they work in your best interest, but you're being
very myopic in that respect. The government doesn't pay you your
paycheck, your employer does. And by making government drastically
anti-business (as the democrats tend to do) they drive employers away
(the democrat run legislature (continuously for the last 30 years) in
California have chased away most of the large employers in this state to
the point where even the ones who haven't pulled-up stakes altogether
have announced that they will expand elsewhere than in California -way
to go Democrats!) employers are, naturally, interested in going where
the environment isn't so business hostile. So it's goodbye to your job!
Thank you Democrats!
GreyCloud
MuahMan wrote:
Good point. Look at the state of Conn. There is a recent news article
about eminent domain in a Trumbell (sp?) neighborhood. The Conn.
Supreme court decided in favor of the corporations in this case,
twisting the meanings so that the state can collect higher amounts of taxes.
George Graves
"MuahMan" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Steve Mackay" <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com...
> > On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:18:26 +0000, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >
> >> In article <pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com>, Steve Mackay
> >> <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:23:40 -0700, StormDrain wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > In article
> >>> > <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> >>> > George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> >>> >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off
> >>> >> > a
> >>> >> > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> > Yup. Which is why I voted for Perot.
> >
> >>
> >> All this proves is that our corporate run government needs radical
> >> change. As long as the big money can control the elections the way
> >> they do now, us working folk are fucked!!
> >
> > Yup, and if *ANYONE* believes EITHER party is going to do anything about
> > it, they are dulusional.
>
> You are correct. America is dead. We pretend that Republican or Democrat
> makes a difference when inside we all know it's too late. The Democrats
> have killed the middle class, utterly destroyed it. The Republicans have
> alienated the poor people dependant on the government programs. The typical
> American has had it to good for too long and just wants to sit back and
> asses blame on the president because they are too lazy to responsibility. I
> guess that's why I hate Democrats so much. They want the government to
> control every facet of their life because they are too lazy, too uneducated,
> and typically just want something for nothing. I'm appalled that people
> actually believe some suit in Washington will look out for their best
> interests!!!!!! I mean you are lucky if you can trust your wife in this day
> of reality tv, but democrats are perfectly willing to give all my rights and
> my money to some shithead that spent 200 million to get elected!!! I'd say
> wake up, but it's too late.
Well said, Brian.
George Graves
"John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> At least the democrats don't want goverment in the bedroom like Bush and
> company.
Huh? Government in the bedroom? What have you been smoking, there
Commie-boy?
Lloyd Parsons
<gmgravesnos-5C8F...@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
High corporate taxes? WTF are you smoking. Most of them pay damn
little in taxes with all the tax dodges, special taxing laws and moving
offshore.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> In article <DEW4d.95814$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Steve Mackay" <steve_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2004.09.24....@hotmail.com...
> > > Yup. Which is why I voted for Perot.
> > >
> > >>
> > >> All this proves is that our corporate run government needs radical
> > >> change. As long as the big money can control the elections the way
> > >> they do now, us working folk are fucked!!
> > >
> > > Yup, and if *ANYONE* believes EITHER party is going to do anything about
> > > it, they are dulusional.
> >
> > You are correct. America is dead. We pretend that Republican or Democrat
> > makes a difference when inside we all know it's too late. The Democrats
> > have killed the middle class, utterly destroyed it. The Republicans have
> > alienated the poor people dependant on the government programs. The
> > typical
> > American has had it to good for too long and just wants to sit back and
> > asses blame on the president because they are too lazy to responsibility.
> > I
> > guess that's why I hate Democrats so much. They want the government to
> > control every facet of their life because they are too lazy, too
> > uneducated,
> > and typically just want something for nothing. I'm appalled that people
> > actually believe some suit in Washington will look out for their best
> > interests!!!!!! I mean you are lucky if you can trust your wife in this
> > day
> > of reality tv, but democrats are perfectly willing to give all my rights
> > and
> > my money to some shithead that spent 200 million to get elected!!! I'd say
> > wake up, but it's too late.
> >
> Just because the right wing pundits say all that about democrats
> doesn't make it so.
>
> The problem is who is in control of each party at the moment...
> Currently the republicans have the christian right in control and the
> democrats have the ultra liberals in control.
>
> What you want and need is for the more moderate of both parties to
> reassert their dominance as in the past. Damn tough job because being
> moderate means less fire in the rhetoric. And with 24/7
> news/commentary, talk radio and the internet, the more moderate in each
> party have difficulty getting their message out.
>
> Congress and the President have most always worked better when there is
> a need for compromise. Why else would the constitution set it all up
> the way it is. When one party, which is controlled by one faction is
> in control of all branches, then you get bad law, wars we didn't need
> to be in and other such calamities.
>
> That's why we seriously need to start voting 'not the incumbent' in all
> elections for a few cycles, send them the message that we the people
> are fed up with the negative campaigning, the radical positions on
> issues and their kowtowing to the corporate greed. That goes for both
> parties....
I agree. It's too bad that "not the incumbent" in this case is John
Kerry. Couldn't the goddamn Demos have somebody better than Kerry to run
against Shrub? I can't vote for that clown (either of them).
Lloyd Parsons
<gmgravesnos-999B...@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
Finally (actually we have been ) something we both agree on. I'm not
pleased with any of the candidates, nor either of the 2 major parties.
They both have their hand in my pocket, taking my money that I have to
work damn hard for.
But the only way we change things is to keep changing them. By voting
'not the incumbent' we change each election and since both parties are
fucking us on a daily basis, we won't notice much. But sooner or
later, THEY will start noticing that they are all one-termers. THEN we
might get some changes.
Next, watch some news, but when you find a program that appears to be
pushing one or the other agenda and not reporting the news, send them
feedback and let them know that you are smart enough to read, see or
hear the news and make up your own mind. If that doesn't work, shut
the suckers off and let the TV ratings folks know you did.
Along the way we'll get our share of good and bad guys/gals in office.
In time, the bad will be weeded out by the good.
Unfortunately, I must be smoking something strange to think that this
would ever happen.
George Graves
"MuahMan" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
> news:240920041002327310%lloydp...@spamac.com...
> > In article <BAW4d.95795$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> > <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "StormDrain" <Lib...@MS-Free.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Liberty-341788...@cnews.newsguy.com...
> >> > Good for you, you've fixed blame...now help fix the problem...K? :)
> >> >
> >> > BTW my grandfather fought in the front lines of the labor movement (the
> >> > machinists union), I'm sure if he were still alive he'd be glad to tell
> >> > you how "market driven" wages were and will become without the threat
> >> > of
> >> > unions in the market.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > SD
> >> > "...merely a preponderance of evidence."
> >>
> >> Sure, Unions are great. I remember last year I went to a huge
> >> computer/telephony show at the LA Convention Center. We had a booth to
> >> setup. I was suppossed to set it up. Anyways, so I start unpacking the
> >> boxes
> >> and then setting up my booth. After a few minutes about 8-10 large fellow
> >> with union badges come up to me and tell me that only the unions can set
> >> up
> >> the booths and the cost is like a grand. I was like no thanks, I got it.
> >> But nooooooo, I was literally strong armed and threatened. It was
> >> complete
> >> strong arm mafia stuff. Scared the shit outta me. I can't believe that
> >> shit's legal but thanks to the hard work of the democrats.........
> >> >
> > Your company either was informed, or failed to find out what contract
> > for the booth's requirements was. That you either didn't know it, or
> > more likely were clueless <G>, isn't their problem.
> >
> > Nothing to do with democrats, but all to do with contracts.
>
> You mean the contract that FORCES you to pay $1000 dollars to setup a both
> with 4 pieces that can be built by a 10 year old in under ten minutes?
> Forget it, it's hopeless. Democrats actually defending the behavior.
Of course they defend it. It's their life's blood!
Steve Mackay
> In article <DEW4d.95814$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> "MuahMan" <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
>> You are correct. America is dead. We pretend that Republican or Democrat
>> makes a difference when inside we all know it's too late. The Democrats
>> have killed the middle class, utterly destroyed it. The Republicans have
>> alienated the poor people dependant on the government programs. The typical
>> American has had it to good for too long and just wants to sit back and
>> asses blame on the president because they are too lazy to responsibility. I
>> guess that's why I hate Democrats so much. They want the government to
>> control every facet of their life because they are too lazy, too uneducated,
>> and typically just want something for nothing. I'm appalled that people
>> actually believe some suit in Washington will look out for their best
>> interests!!!!!! I mean you are lucky if you can trust your wife in this day
>> of reality tv, but democrats are perfectly willing to give all my rights and
>> my money to some shithead that spent 200 million to get elected!!! I'd say
>> wake up, but it's too late.
>
> Well said, Brian.
Did you EVER think you'd say such words to Pratt? :)
MuahMan
much power over the people!
George Graves
It IS a bit of a shock, I must say.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
Well, that's the leftist propaganda, anyway. The moving offshore is more
or less the direct result of the high taxes (and I don't just mean
direct ones -either, I'm talking about things like the 20 minutes out of
every corporate hour that's spent complying with government red tape,
and the like) as well as cheaper labor. But Democrats have traditionally
been anti-business and continue to be so and the average union slob
votes a straight democratic ticket because he thinks that sticking it to
the bosses is in his best interest (you can thank unions for that "them
vs us" mentality of most of the working class. That sure helps get
things done, yessiree!). Can you say expired unemployment benefits? I
knew you could.
George Graves
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
His name was Stanton and he is implicated often as being the person with
the most to gain from Lincoln's death.
Jason McNorton
ext.news.prodigy.com>, gmgra...@pacbell.net says...
Arnold (RINO) just signed a clean air bill that'll raise CA sold cars
another $3000 each. Incredibly, I know some businesses that are still
going to CA. I have no idea why. Thankfully, most seem to be fleeing
CA.
And what do the Californians vote for? Yes, more business and job
destroying leftwing crap.
George Graves
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
> news:240920041500038487%lloydp...@spamac.com...
> > In article
> > <gmgravesnos-A786...@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> > George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <240920040940086665%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> >> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <g0W4d.95616$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> >> > <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com..
> >> > > .
> >> > > > In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> >> > > > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off
> >> > > >> a
> >> > > >> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
Let's be honest here, Brian. The Patriot Act is the biggest threat to
the Constitution to come along in ages and that's a Republican thing.
Lets just say that both parties uphold the Constitution until it becomes
"inconvenient" then they find ways to skirt it.
Snit
gmgravesnos-2367...@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com on 9/24/04
1:23 PM:
And I am sure you are about to tell me why... right? In detail... talking
about the specifics of each claim.
Oh yeah... you can't do that. Hmmm, wonder why? :)
Jason McNorton
ext.news.prodigy.com>, gmgra...@pacbell.net says...
I'll just limit this and say, I think anti-gun laws are far more a
threat than anti-criminal ones.
Lloyd Parsons
McNorton <jm...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jason, I can remember when breathing was trick in LA and it is not that
many years ago. That LA air now is so much better that it is amazing
what has been accomplished.
And I'll just bet that the $3000 per car increase has huge profits
built into it, which is the mfg's right to do. But maybe you ought to
look around and see what was going on before some of those tree huggers
got upset!
David Fritzinger
> In article <YKX4d.96144$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan> > news:240920040940086665%lloydp...@spamac.com...
> > > In article <g0W4d.95616$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> > > <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> "George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > >> > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > >> >> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> > >> >>> > that
> > >> > the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
> > >> > one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good for
> > >> > the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
> > >> > Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > George Graves
> > >> > ------------------
> > >>
> > >> Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME history.
> > >> Communism has failed.
> > >>
> > > Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
> > > back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
> > > politics and history....
> >
> > War?
> >
> Degrees don't impress me. I've met both the smartest and the dumbest
> with PHD's.
>
> you didn't send me a copy! <G>), I think some things have changed since
> then just a little.
Mooman got his degree (if that is what you call it) from Jerry
Falwell's Liberty University. It probably isn't worth very much...
--
Dave Fritzinger
Steve Mackay
> In article <BD79A637.6ECF%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in article
>> 240920040805537408%lloydp...@spamac.com on 9/24/04 6:06 AM:
>>
>> > In article <10l864d...@news.supernews.com>, John
>> > <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>> >>> In article
>> >>> <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
>> >>> George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
>> >>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
>> >>>>> repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> So now, this piece of dogshit that you posted supposedly tells us
>> >>>> that the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism,
>> >>>> pacifism, one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is
>> >>>> as good for the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions?
>> >>>> Well, most Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, I see it woke you up!!!
>> >>>
>> >>> Let's talk about those unions. YOUR pay is indirectly tied to them,
>> >>> yep if it hadn't been for those unions, your employers would be paying
>> >>> you so much less. I know that as a conservative, you don't agree with
>> >>> that, but business NEVER paid a dime more than paupers wages until
>> >>> forced to.
>> >>>
>> >>> And I just did a quick look back over what I posted, and nothing in
>> >>> there about 'multiculturalism, pacifism, one-world government' and all
>> >>> that other drivel you threw in while typing.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What is very interesting is that George is the first person I have seen
>> >> that
>> >> has wrote something negative about that post. Republicans always ignore
>> >> it
>> >> on the political newsgroups because they have no factual way to respond to
>> >> it. Looks like George just decided to inject some fantasy in his
>> >> response.
>> >>
>> > I noticed that! <G>
>>
>> LOL... as I said... the name in the article should have been George, not
>> Joe.
>>
>> Great article... should keep the right wingers squirming for a while to
>> come. To bad they will never see how true it is. :)
>
> It's all bullshit.
George, I'd advise you *NOT* to buy tickets to the circus. You know where
it'll go.
Lars Tr?ger
> "John" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:10l8lrp...@news.supernews.com...
> >
> > At least the democrats don't want goverment in the bedroom like Bush and
> > company.
>
> They want to pick what you eat, who you sleep with (preferrably a
> homosexual), everything.
And most importantly, they don't want anybody to have sex with YOU -
and it's working!
Lars T.
Lars Tr?ger
> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote in message
> news:240920041002327310%lloydp...@spamac.com...
> > Your company either was informed, or failed to find out what contract
> > for the booth's requirements was. That you either didn't know it, or
> > more likely were clueless <G>, isn't their problem.
> >
> > Nothing to do with democrats, but all to do with contracts.
>
> You mean the contract that FORCES you to pay $1000 dollars to setup a both
> with 4 pieces that can be built by a 10 year old in under ten minutes?
> Forget it, it's hopeless. Democrats actually defending the behavior.
So you advocate breaking contracts. Nobody forced the convention
center to sign it.
And why the hell don't you complain to your union that your company
endangered your health by trying to break that contract? Oh, your
company doesn't allow unions. Too bad.
Lars T.
Lars Tr?ger
>
> Which is exactly the problem. We needed the south to win as it was NOT ABOUT
> slavery but about state and individual rights.
Now it's out - you're a surrender monkey from the south!
It was all about the individual right of honest people to have slaves
- who don't have individual rights.
Lars T.
Lars Tr?ger
> > Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >> In article <g0W4d.95616$Np2....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, MuahMan
> >> <mua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "George Graves" <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> >>>> Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off
> >>>>> a repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> >>>>>>> us that
> >>>> the rest of the goddamn liberal agenda; multiculturalism, pacifism,
> >>>> one-world government, and draconian Socialism/Communism is as good
> >>>> for the people as are clean water, clean air, and Unions? Well, most
> >>>> Americans are smarter than that, Parsons.
> >>>>
> >>>> George Graves
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>
> >>> Amen, Amen, Amen. You'd think people like Parson would know SOME
> >>> history. Communism has failed.
> >>>
> >> Shit, know some history, I've lived 60 years of it personally. Come
> >> back and talk to me when you really get some experience with US
> >> politics and history....
> >
> >
> >
>
> The problem is experience should be teaching you morons stuff. For instance
> we've had people like John and Lloyd before. We've heard all about the
> utopian soceity you guys dream of. Where we all dress the same, look the
> same, get paid the same, one supreme government being collects all the money
> and distributes as he see's fit....... I belive Russia tried to implement
> this as did Germany...... how'd it work out for them?
Ahh yes, the golden days when the Nazis banned all unions.
And the golden days of Manchester Capitalism, where all (but the rich)
dressed the same, looked the same, got paid the same - namely barely
enough to pay for their food at the company store, and their bed in
the company house - or a little less.
Jason McNorton
Lars.T...@epost.de says...
You are a complete crackpot to think he meant that.
George Graves
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
The dumb part of that bill is goes after cars over 25 years old. This is
stupid because 1) there aren't very many of them on the road. 2) most
that are are "collector cars" and aren't driven that much, and 3) Most
collector cars are better cared-for than most people's new vehicles. It
was an easy target, it makes our leftwing nutcase legislators look as if
they are actually doing something when they really aren't. All it does
is hurt people who enjoy great old cars.
StormDrain
<gmgravesnos-0B1B...@newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <Liberty-C317E8...@cnews.newsguy.com>,
> StormDrain <Lib...@MS-Free.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <gmgravesnos-B739...@newssvr21-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> > George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <230920042302277098%lloydp...@spamac.com>,
> > > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@spamac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I got this in another newsgroup and thought this ought to piss off a
> > > > repug or two, and give the rest of us a good laugh!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
> >
> > <snipped for brevity>
> >
> > > Unions sure have helped the US worker, yes sir.
> >
> > You betcha. It's only been recently that the repugs found it cost
> > effective to export entire manufacturing facilities to their good
> > buddies in Communist China, military Burma or anywhere else they don't
> > have the silly "Bill of Rights" to contend with. They used to import
> > most cheap labor (Blacks, Chinese, Irish etc) now, for the most part,
> > they don't have to.
>
> Thank the unions for driving jobs offshore.
> >
> > Of course we buy the junk they sell don't we?
>
> They wouldn't be making it if we didn't.
>
> For those interested in
> > buying American try these for starters
> >
> > http://www.unionjeancompany.com/index.php
> > http://www.best-khakis.com/
> > http://www.buyamericanmart.com/
> >
> > Lots more american made stuff around, gotta love this internet :)
> >
> > http://mypersonalstyle.com/madeinusa.htm
> > http://www.bac-america.org/
>
> The problem with buying "American" is that often the union made stuff is
> inferior in quality (look at American cars vs Japanese of German for
> instance) because the workers don't give a damn. The Unions will protect
> their jobs. Why work?
Oh now it's the workers who design and approve which car models are
manufactured. It's the workers who decided to build and market gas
guzzling SUVs. Sheesh those darn workers decided Ford should build a
gas guzzling hybrid truck. :)
BTW, you've just given a great plug publicly funded (socialized)
medicine. Maybe when companies, like those in Germany and Japan, don't
have to worry about providing medical, retirement, job security etc they
can simply go about their business of building good products.
Jason McNorton
Lib...@MS-Free.com says...
Um.. Workers? Aren't designers and employees workers? aren't they
employed?
> It's the workers who decided to build and market gas
> guzzling SUVs. Sheesh those darn workers decided Ford should build a
> gas guzzling hybrid truck. :)
wtf are you talking about. Who are these 'workers'? You're spewing
pure communist twaddle about how it's the 'rich top levels' that run the
place.
Wiseguy, the workers include the ones that design, build, and engineer
the cars.
> BTW, you've just given a great plug publicly funded (socialized)
> medicine. Maybe when companies, like those in Germany and Japan, don't
> have to worry about providing medical, retirement, job security etc they
> can simply go about their business of building good products.
Germany has double the unemployment rate of the US, and it's getting
worse. Europe's economy is stagnant.
Japan's economy is in the toilet as well, cause of this desire for
socialism that YOU seem to want to bring here!
Lloyd Parsons
<gmgravesnos-5D92...@newssvr13-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgra...@pacbell.net> wrote:
It doesn't apply to new cars? That seems shitty. It is damn near
impossible and really expensive to retrofit older cars. I had that
problem when I came back from overseas. I returned in '70 and was
going to bring my '65 Mustang back, but when I found out it had to meet
the 1970 emission rules, and the cost and probability of the fixes not
working I sold it overseas (for a tidy profit, which is sure nice!)
Lloyd Parsons
McNorton <jm...@comcast.net> wrote:
Yep, but you can bet your ass they are not in the union. The union
guys don't get that high up the ladder...
> > It's the workers who decided to build and market gas
> > guzzling SUVs. Sheesh those darn workers decided Ford should build a
> > gas guzzling hybrid truck. :)
>
> wtf are you talking about. Who are these 'workers'? You're spewing
> pure communist twaddle about how it's the 'rich top levels' that run the
> place.
>
LOL, who the fuck do you think runs the company? The line worker?
What a maroon!
Jason McNorton
lloydp...@spamac.com says...
So you'd prefer the USA car market be more hampered and ruined I
suppose, by making this nonsense apply to all cars? The entire economy
does not need that kind of bashing right now. Gradually, over decades,
go to alternative energy. It might take over 100 years to get off oil.
Just be ok with it. There's nothing to fear, except for energy prices.
Lloyd Parsons
McNorton <jm...@comcast.net> wrote:
Learn to read!
Firstly, there isn't anything that should cost $3000 for each new car
to bring them up to stiffer standards. If you believe that it will,
you really need to contact me about a bridge!
The USA car market isn't being hampered by the price of the cars alone,
it is also getting hammered by those making less money in this
'recovering' economy. As gas prices rise, and wages depress, less
money is available for major purchases. The only thing keeping the
housing market from having those same problems right now is that the
interests rates are almost free money. But there are stories out
already talking about some depression in the housing market in at least
parts of the country.
Jason McNorton
What? Channeling ragosta?
> Firstly, there isn't anything that should cost $3000 for each new car
> to bring them up to stiffer standards. If you believe that it will,
> you really need to contact me about a bridge!
>
> The USA car market isn't being hampered by the price of the cars alone,
> it is also getting hammered by those making less money in this
> 'recovering' economy. As gas prices rise, and wages depress, less
> money is available for major purchases. The only thing keeping the
> housing market from having those same problems right now is that the
> interests rates are almost free money. But there are stories out
> already talking about some depression in the housing market in at least
> parts of the country.
More socialism and unions, that's the answer!!! Hahahah, just sign over
your income to China while you're at it. Since you obviously don't want
to be competitive. Funny how those commies are actually more in tune
with business sense than your type of liberal Americans.
Lloyd Parsons
McNorton <jm...@comcast.net> wrote:
So you think if we are willing to live like dogs and not afford what we
make, that would solve our economic problems?
From your blathering, I wonder how you figure out if you are getting
paid enough. I know if I am as I'm a commissioned salesman, and I
control my income. You know, more work=more sales=more money!
Jason McNorton
Marxist twaddle at the extreme.
> From your blathering, I wonder how you figure out if you are getting
> paid enough. I know if I am as I'm a commissioned salesman, and I
> control my income. You know, more work=more sales=more money!
Supply/Demand, works..
You're proposing USSR style economics to people that have seen it fail.
Not gonna persuade I'm afraid.
Lloyd Parsons
McNorton <jm...@comcast.net> wrote:
Take your marxist and shove it up your ass!
Have you been where much of this moved mfg is going on? Have you seen
the working conditions? Have you seen how they live?
I have, your dog lives in a better house.
> > From your blathering, I wonder how you figure out if you are getting
> > paid enough. I know if I am as I'm a commissioned salesman, and I
> > control my income. You know, more work=more sales=more money!
>
> Supply/Demand, works..
>
> You're proposing USSR style economics to people that have seen it fail.
> Not gonna persuade I'm afraid.
In order to persuade you, I would have to think you have the necessary
intelligence and be open minded enough to listen and understand other
points of view. There has never been a post from you that indicates
that any of that applies to you.
And I didn't 'propose' anything. Certainly not USSR style economics.
Jason McNorton
LOL. What else has marxism taught you?
> > > From your blathering, I wonder how you figure out if you are getting
> > > paid enough. I know if I am as I'm a commissioned salesman, and I
> > > control my income. You know, more work=more sales=more money!
> >
> > Supply/Demand, works..
> >
> > You're proposing USSR style economics to people that have seen it fail.
> > Not gonna persuade I'm afraid.
>
> In order to persuade you, I would have to think you have the necessary
> intelligence and be open minded enough to listen and understand other
> points of view. There has never been a post from you that indicates
> that any of that applies to you.
>
> And I didn't 'propose' anything. Certainly not USSR style economics.
So you have nothing, figures.
George Graves
Lars.T...@epost.de (Lars Tr?ger) wrote:
WRONG. It was about the right of the individual states to legislate laws
not covered in the Constitution. The US Constitution holds for the
Federal government certain laws that are outlined in that document, but
it gives the states the right to make (or not make) any laws not
specifically in the purview of the Federal government. A case in point.
Constitutionally speaking, speed limits are not in the Federal purview,
it is up to the states to set speed limits at whatever they want. For
many years, some of the western states, Nevada, Wyoming, etc. had NO
speed limits on the open road, and that was their right (supposedly).
Then in 1973, the "energy crisis" hit and the Feds inflicted a 55 MPH,
national speed limit - even on states that had no limits previously. It
was unconstitutional for the government to do anything but "suggest"
that each state adopt the national limit, but that matter was settled
100 years previously when, by winning the War of Northern Aggression,
the Federal government, in essence, said: "Fuck states' rights. You do
what we tell you to do or else." That's what the so-called "Civil War"
was all about (not speed limits, obviously, that was just an example).
George Graves
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
Could it be because you are a pedantic bore, and not worth the effort?