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Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer Can Suck My Gun Owning American Cock.
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Eric Holder Gun Sales
Aug 21, 2013, 8:14:05 PM8/21/13
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Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
�Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,�
Fischer told the Herald Sun. �I am deeply angry about this
because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it�s a
sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
There is a gun for almost every American.�
Very cliche, Tim.
Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
�Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,�
Fischer told the Herald Sun. �I am deeply angry about this
because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it�s a
sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
There is a gun for almost every American.�
Very cliche, Tim.
Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
Dechucka
Aug 22, 2013, 1:07:11 AM8/22/13
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can't you get one of your mates closer to home to do that as per usual
Klaus Schadenfreude
Aug 22, 2013, 7:52:52 AM8/22/13
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
<lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>
>�Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,�
>Fischer told the Herald Sun. �I am deeply angry about this
>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it�s a
>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>There is a gun for almost every American.�
We're embarrassed about that, actually.
<lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>
>�Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,�
>Fischer told the Herald Sun. �I am deeply angry about this
>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it�s a
>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>There is a gun for almost every American.�
I'm trying to get those numbers up. In the mean time, hope your little
boycott works out, Timmy.
keithr
Aug 22, 2013, 8:34:33 AM8/22/13
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So you're queer then.
Dechucka
Aug 22, 2013, 7:33:19 PM8/22/13
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RD Sandman
Aug 22, 2013, 7:47:09 PM8/22/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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That there is only one gun for every citizen. We think it should be
higher.
You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in your
dotage?
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!
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higher.
You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in your
dotage?
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!
Dechucka
Aug 22, 2013, 8:20:48 PM8/22/13
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"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>
>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>
>> what numbers?
>
> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
How of there you are there in that head of yours.
> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>
>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>
>> what numbers?
>
> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>think it should be
> higher.
>
> You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in your
> dotage?
to him
RD Sandman
Aug 22, 2013, 8:54:52 PM8/22/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>
>>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>>
>>> what numbers?
>>
>> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>
> How of there you are there in that head of yours.
??? Methinks your dotage is showing up before I asked about it.
>>think it should be
>> higher.
>>
>> You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in
>> your dotage?
>
> I just asked a logical question. R u channeling Klaus now as it was
> directed to him
Nope, but knowing his opinion of you, he may have decided that replying
just wasn't worth the effort.
news:pYSdncl7-fOMNovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> message news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>
>>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>>
>>> what numbers?
>>
>> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>
> How of there you are there in that head of yours.
>>think it should be
>> higher.
>>
>> You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in
>> your dotage?
>
> I just asked a logical question. R u channeling Klaus now as it was
> directed to him
just wasn't worth the effort.
Dechucka
Aug 22, 2013, 10:25:56 PM8/22/13
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"wethinks"
>
>>>think it should be
>>> higher.
>>>
>>> You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in
>>> your dotage?
>>
>> I just asked a logical question. R u channeling Klaus now as it was
>> directed to him
>
> Nope, but knowing his opinion of you, he may have decided that replying
> just wasn't worth the effort.
fine
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:pYSdncl7-fOMNovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131...
>>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>>
>>>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>>>
>>>> what numbers?
>>>
>>> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>>
>> How of there you are there in that head of yours.
>
> ??? Methinks your dotage is showing up before I asked about it.
That's better your medicine must be kicking in or it would of been
> news:pYSdncl7-fOMNovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131...
>>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>>
>>>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>>>
>>>> what numbers?
>>>
>>> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>>
>> How of there you are there in that head of yours.
>
> ??? Methinks your dotage is showing up before I asked about it.
"wethinks"
>
>>>think it should be
>>> higher.
>>>
>>> You used to be better at following a thread than that. Slipping in
>>> your dotage?
>>
>> I just asked a logical question. R u channeling Klaus now as it was
>> directed to him
>
> Nope, but knowing his opinion of you, he may have decided that replying
> just wasn't worth the effort.
RD Sandman
Aug 22, 2013, 11:03:41 PM8/22/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Nope. I don't speak for anyone else other than me.
news:JtCdnbi7ltajVYvP...@westnet.com.au:
Dechucka
Aug 22, 2013, 11:25:09 PM8/22/13
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good it has firmly kicked in, does mean you've stopped answering for Klaus?
tfe
tfe
RD Sandman
Aug 22, 2013, 11:29:18 PM8/22/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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It means I will speak up whenever I feel like it.
news:raOdnYrZsqCCS4vP...@westnet.com.au:
RogerN
Aug 23, 2013, 12:12:29 AM8/23/13
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"Eric Holder Gun Sales" wrote in message
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>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
<snip>
Those at fault blame Bush for what they have done and blame the NRA for the
gun crimes committed by the kind of scum that votes for Obama.
In Chicago, 90-95%, depending on the year, of the homicides are committed by
Blacks and Hispanics ... Obama voters.
When we have the Obama administration in power, it is best for everyone not
to visit, the shit has risen to the top! The shit says it's Bush's fault
and you're a racist!
Obama doesn't know anything about the scandals but the people that should be
fired get promoted or taken care of at taxpayers expense in some form. Just
remember, it's Bush's fault and all the white people are racists, they play
the race card so much it's getting dog eared! They get a lot of mileage
blaming Bush and Racism for their incompetence and outright failure. The
sign on Obama's desk says "The buck's passed here".
Someone needs to make an Obama coin, on one side it says "It's Bush's fault"
the other side says "You're a Racist", flip a coin!
RogerN
news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
Those at fault blame Bush for what they have done and blame the NRA for the
gun crimes committed by the kind of scum that votes for Obama.
In Chicago, 90-95%, depending on the year, of the homicides are committed by
Blacks and Hispanics ... Obama voters.
When we have the Obama administration in power, it is best for everyone not
to visit, the shit has risen to the top! The shit says it's Bush's fault
and you're a racist!
Obama doesn't know anything about the scandals but the people that should be
fired get promoted or taken care of at taxpayers expense in some form. Just
remember, it's Bush's fault and all the white people are racists, they play
the race card so much it's getting dog eared! They get a lot of mileage
blaming Bush and Racism for their incompetence and outright failure. The
sign on Obama's desk says "The buck's passed here".
Someone needs to make an Obama coin, on one side it says "It's Bush's fault"
the other side says "You're a Racist", flip a coin!
RogerN
Dechucka
Aug 23, 2013, 12:37:20 AM8/23/13
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excellent enjoy yourself ( note the singular)
RD Sandman
Aug 23, 2013, 12:44:11 AM8/23/13
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"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in
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> "Eric Holder Gun Sales" wrote in message
> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>
>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
> <snip>
>
> Those at fault blame Bush for what they have done and blame the NRA
> for the gun crimes committed by the kind of scum that votes for Obama.
>
> In Chicago, 90-95%, depending on the year, of the homicides are
> committed by Blacks and Hispanics ... Obama voters.
I seriously doubt any more than just a very few of them ever voted in
their lives much less for Obama.
> When we have the Obama administration in power, it is best for
> everyone not to visit, the shit has risen to the top! The shit says
> it's Bush's fault and you're a racist!
There is some amount of truth in that statement.
news:S4WdnfQQzPCrfIvP...@earthlink.com:
> "Eric Holder Gun Sales" wrote in message
> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
>
>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
> <snip>
>
> Those at fault blame Bush for what they have done and blame the NRA
> for the gun crimes committed by the kind of scum that votes for Obama.
>
> In Chicago, 90-95%, depending on the year, of the homicides are
> committed by Blacks and Hispanics ... Obama voters.
their lives much less for Obama.
> When we have the Obama administration in power, it is best for
> everyone not to visit, the shit has risen to the top! The shit says
> it's Bush's fault and you're a racist!
RD Sandman
Aug 23, 2013, 12:44:53 AM8/23/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Whatever flips your skirt.
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Dechucka
Aug 23, 2013, 12:49:07 AM8/23/13
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skirt? I don't sit down to piss
Klaus Schadenfreude
Aug 23, 2013, 7:04:54 AM8/23/13
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:20:48 +1000, "Dechucka"
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>
>>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>>
>>> what numbers?
>>
>> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>
>How of there you are there in that head of yours.
Huh. I thought Australians spoke English.
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>
>>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>>
>>> what numbers?
>>
>> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We
>
>How of there you are there in that head of yours.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Aug 23, 2013, 7:09:58 AM8/23/13
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Johnny Johnson
Aug 23, 2013, 11:23:39 AM8/23/13
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In article <XnsA224AACCD...@216.196.121.131>, RD the Sandman
<rdsa...@comcast.net> says...
trustworthy, that is).
<rdsa...@comcast.net> says...
>
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> in message news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's
>>>> a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>> There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>
>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>
>> what numbers?
>
> That there is only one gun for every citizen.
>
That's an average: we want it to be actual (at least for those who are
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> in message news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's
>>>> a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>> There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>
>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>
>> what numbers?
>
> That there is only one gun for every citizen.
>
trustworthy, that is).
>
> We think it should be higher.
>
SOME of us have "more than one." ;)
> We think it should be higher.
>
Johnny Johnson
Aug 23, 2013, 11:32:10 AM8/23/13
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In article <raOdnYrZsqCCS4vP...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> says...
Are you saying that down there in Aussieland you have no "compression" of the
concept of open forum discussion groups, Dechucka?
<Dechu...@hotmail.com> says...
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA224CC1F9...@216.196.121.131...
>
>>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:JtCdnbi7ltajVYvP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA224B647F...@216.196.121.131...
>>>
>>>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:pYSdncl7-fOMNovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>>>
>>>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA224CC1F9...@216.196.121.131...
>
>>"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:JtCdnbi7ltajVYvP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsA224B647F...@216.196.121.131...
>>>
>>>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:pYSdncl7-fOMNovP...@westnet.com.au:
>>>>
concept of open forum discussion groups, Dechucka?
Johnny Johnson
Aug 23, 2013, 11:45:22 AM8/23/13
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In article <S4WdnfQQzPCrfIvP...@earthlink.com>, RogerN
<re...@midwest.net> says...
<Rimshot.wav>
Frakin' A, Roger!
You just gotta remember:
Republican House + Republican Senate + Republican President = Republican's
Fault
Republican House + Republican Senate + Democrat President = Republican's Fault
Republican House + Democrat Senate + Republican President = Republican's Fault
Republican House + Democrat Senate + Democrat President = Republican's Fault
Democrat House + Republican Senate + Republican President = Republican's Fault
Democrat House + Democrat Senate + Republican President = Republican's Fault
BUT:
Democrat House + Democrat Senate + Democrat President = <TaDa.wav> BUSH's Fault
!!!
And today it's:
Republican House + Democrat Senate + 4-1/2 years of a "Black" Democrat
President = <BellRing.wav> STILL Bush's Fault !!!
<re...@midwest.net> says...
Frakin' A, Roger!
You just gotta remember:
Republican House + Republican Senate + Republican President = Republican's
Fault
Republican House + Republican Senate + Democrat President = Republican's Fault
Republican House + Democrat Senate + Republican President = Republican's Fault
Republican House + Democrat Senate + Democrat President = Republican's Fault
Democrat House + Republican Senate + Republican President = Republican's Fault
Democrat House + Democrat Senate + Republican President = Republican's Fault
BUT:
Democrat House + Democrat Senate + Democrat President = <TaDa.wav> BUSH's Fault
!!!
And today it's:
Republican House + Democrat Senate + 4-1/2 years of a "Black" Democrat
President = <BellRing.wav> STILL Bush's Fault !!!
RD Sandman
Aug 23, 2013, 1:33:09 PM8/23/13
to
Dechucka
Aug 23, 2013, 5:50:57 PM8/23/13
to
"Johnny Johnson" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2c813c777...@news.eternal-september.org...
answer for you
>
RD Sandman
Aug 23, 2013, 6:09:43 PM8/23/13
to
"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:966dnWKt3PXNRIrP...@westnet.com.au:
'Bout time you figured that out. I don't reply for anyone but me.
news:966dnWKt3PXNRIrP...@westnet.com.au:
Dechucka
Aug 23, 2013, 6:44:19 PM8/23/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>
Scott Humphries
Aug 24, 2013, 10:46:29 PM8/24/13
to
On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
bast...@democrats.org> posted some
news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>
> “Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,”
> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
> There is a gun for almost every American.”
>
> Very cliche, Tim.
>
> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
bast...@democrats.org> posted some
news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>
> “Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,”
> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>
> Very cliche, Tim.
>
> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
keithr
Aug 25, 2013, 10:06:53 AM8/25/13
to
RogerN
Aug 25, 2013, 12:18:29 PM8/25/13
to
In a leftwing world, if blacks kill whites because they are bored and want
to kill a white person, that's not racism, no big deal.
But if a person is getting their head bashed against concrete and they kill
the person that's assaulting them, that's racist if the attacker is black.
So to leftists, if blacks kill whites because they are whites, no problem.
If a white person defends themselves and kills their black attacker, that's
racism.
In the news this morning I heard about Trayvon and Zimmerman but I didn't
hear about the Australian or the WWII Veteran that were killed by blacks. I
should wonder why but not in this lefttard country.
RogerN
A Muslin shouting "Death to America" cannot be put on the terrorist watch
list since Obama had it rewritten. A war veteran shouting "Support the
Constitution" can be... waking up yet?
George Plimpton
Aug 25, 2013, 12:19:33 PM8/25/13
to
On 8/25/2013 9:18 AM, RogerN wrote:
> In a leftwing world, if blacks kill whites because they are bored and want
> to kill a white person, that's not racism, no big deal.
>
> But if a person is getting their head bashed against concrete and they kill
> the person that's assaulting them, that's racist if the attacker is black.
>
> So to leftists, if blacks kill whites because they are whites, no problem.
> If a white person defends themselves and kills their black attacker, that's
> racism.
Except there is no evidence the killers selected the victim due to his race.
> In a leftwing world, if blacks kill whites because they are bored and want
> to kill a white person, that's not racism, no big deal.
>
> But if a person is getting their head bashed against concrete and they kill
> the person that's assaulting them, that's racist if the attacker is black.
>
> So to leftists, if blacks kill whites because they are whites, no problem.
> If a white person defends themselves and kills their black attacker, that's
> racism.
benj
Aug 25, 2013, 12:55:55 PM8/25/13
to
By Hailey Branson-Potts and Matt Pearce
10:07 p.m. EDT, August 21, 2013
DUNCAN, Okla. — Even before his name became known worldwide — before
authorities said he and two other boys killed an Australian college
student because they were "bored" — the boy known as "Bug" had changed.
His sister saw it; so did family friends: His American Eagle clothes and
sweet demeanor were replaced about six months ago by drooping pants, the
do-rags, and a vile stream of braggadocio, sexism and racism the 15-year-
old unleashed over his social media accounts.
In an Oklahoma town of about 23,000 that was 82% white, Bug, who is
black, sometimes tweeted things like "90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE
THEM."
A female member of Faith Church in Duncan recalled later that he'd told
her, "I can't go to your church anymore because my god is black."
http://www.courant.com/la-na-oklahoma-
shooting-20130822,0,7171106,full.story
And note the very clever move of the posted FAKE photoshopped image of
the white kid (who was NOT charged with murder, by the way...just shows
you "white privilege"!) making him appear to have "black" features so as
to discredit in advance any attempt to portray the racist aspects of this
killing by black teens.
This is just one more example of how liberal influence in the Black
community to induce racism and violence is working to drive a wedge
between conservative blacks and whites.
And of course they are now all screaming that the only answer to killings
like these (done by teens in illegal possession of a handgun) is to
disarm all the honest law-abiding gun owners who had nothing to do with
ANY crimes and never will... Liberal logic for you.
Maybe there should have been "You must be 21 to possess a handgun" signs
posted around town to stop this killing before it began? Or even better
maybe some old fashioned "traditional" Jim Crow laws to make sure no
blacks are allowed to have firearms? I"m sure libs would find that a
"good first step".
George Plimpton
Aug 25, 2013, 1:01:38 PM8/25/13
to
On 8/25/2013 9:55 AM, benj wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:19:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> On 8/25/2013 9:18 AM, RogerN wrote:
>>> In a leftwing world, if blacks kill whites because they are bored and
>>> want to kill a white person, that's not racism, no big deal.
>>>
>>> But if a person is getting their head bashed against concrete and they
>>> kill the person that's assaulting them, that's racist if the attacker
>>> is black.
>>>
>>> So to leftists, if blacks kill whites because they are whites, no
>>> problem. If a white person defends themselves and kills their black
>>> attacker, that's racism.
>>
>> Except there is no evidence the killers selected the victim due to his
>> race.
>
> How about this:
>
>
> By Hailey Branson-Potts and Matt Pearce
>
> 10:07 p.m. EDT, August 21, 2013
>
> DUNCAN, Okla. — Even before his name became known worldwide — before
> authorities said he and two other boys killed an Australian college
> student because they were "bored" — the boy known as "Bug" had changed.
*Still* nothing to suggest the victim was targeted due to his race.
> On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 09:19:33 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> On 8/25/2013 9:18 AM, RogerN wrote:
>>> In a leftwing world, if blacks kill whites because they are bored and
>>> want to kill a white person, that's not racism, no big deal.
>>>
>>> But if a person is getting their head bashed against concrete and they
>>> kill the person that's assaulting them, that's racist if the attacker
>>> is black.
>>>
>>> So to leftists, if blacks kill whites because they are whites, no
>>> problem. If a white person defends themselves and kills their black
>>> attacker, that's racism.
>>
>> Except there is no evidence the killers selected the victim due to his
>> race.
>
> How about this:
>
>
> By Hailey Branson-Potts and Matt Pearce
>
> 10:07 p.m. EDT, August 21, 2013
>
> DUNCAN, Okla. — Even before his name became known worldwide — before
> authorities said he and two other boys killed an Australian college
> student because they were "bored" — the boy known as "Bug" had changed.
Trevor Wilson
Aug 25, 2013, 5:07:05 PM8/25/13
to
On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>
>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>
>>> �Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,�
> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>
>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>
>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. �I am deeply angry about this
>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it�s a
>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>> There is a gun for almost every American.�
>>>
>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>
>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>
>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>
> There is no Australian word for fear.
**Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>
>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>
>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>
>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>
> There is no Australian word for fear.
not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
RD Sandman
Aug 25, 2013, 5:12:14 PM8/25/13
to
Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>> “Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,”
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>> There is a gun for almost every American.”
>>>>
>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>
>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>
> **Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
> not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
> about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
>
Not enough balls to confront them yourself, eh, Trevor?
>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>
>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>
> **Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
> not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
> about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
>
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 5:18:30 PM8/25/13
to
"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
news:c43ba$521a383b$414e828e$23...@EVERESTKC.NET...
justify it by saying " well the other race does it as well"
>
Gunner Asch
Aug 25, 2013, 5:30:19 PM8/25/13
to
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:06:53 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.
Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013
wrote:
"There are no leftists in mainstream American politics.
Just two right wing parties, one hard right and one softer."
Christopher A. Lee, 8/18/2013
Trevor Wilson
Aug 25, 2013, 5:34:23 PM8/25/13
to
On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> �Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,�
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. �I am deeply angry about this
>>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it�s a
>>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>> There is a gun for almost every American.�
>>>>>
>>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>>
>>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>>
>>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>>
>> **Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>> not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
>> about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
>>
>
> Not enough balls to confront them yourself, eh, Trevor?
>
**Not all. I've presented my arguments to American gun owners, IN
>>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>>
>>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>>
>>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>>
>> **Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>> not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
>> about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
>>
>
> Not enough balls to confront them yourself, eh, Trevor?
>
PERSON, FACE TO FACE and in the US, dozens of times. I bank on several
things:
* MOST American gun owners are decent, responsible people and are happy
to carry on a reasoned discussion about such things.
* Most American gun owners do not carry their guns all the time.
The wankers who insult Australians lack the balls to repeat their claims
to Australians face to face. Typical.
--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 5:54:31 PM8/25/13
to
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:nqtk19ppjrskimf34...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:06:53 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>> "Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>> There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>
>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>
>>There is no Australian word for fear.
>
> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK what is it?
> wrote:
>
>>On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>> "Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>> There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>>
>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>
>>There is no Australian word for fear.
>
> ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gunner Asch
Aug 25, 2013, 6:14:04 PM8/25/13
to
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 07:07:05 +1000, Trevor Wilson
<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>> “Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,”
<tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>
>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>> There is a gun for almost every American.”
>>>>
>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>
>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>
>**Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
>about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
Who the fuck wants to hang out with a bunch of drunk Aussies? Did
>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>
>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>
>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>
>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>
>**Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their allegations
>about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
that in the early 1970s and even then, they were like
Mexicans..ganging up like dogs on one lad when they believed they
were insulted.
I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
Say mate..can I borrow your missus for a few hours? Ill treat her well
and after I treat her to a couple good fucks, Ill buy her some new
underwear and maybe a pair of nylons. Sure Ill buy you a couple beers
before we leave.
Thanks mate!
RD Sandman
Aug 25, 2013, 6:40:49 PM8/25/13
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Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
>>>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>> There is a gun for almost every American.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>>>
>>>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>>>
>>>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>>>
>>> **Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>>> not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their
allegations
>>> about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
>>>
>>
>> Not enough balls to confront them yourself, eh, Trevor?
>>
>
> **Not all. I've presented my arguments to American gun owners, IN
> PERSON, FACE TO FACE and in the US, dozens of times. I bank on several
> things:
>
> * MOST American gun owners are decent, responsible people and are happy
> to carry on a reasoned discussion about such things.
> * Most American gun owners do not carry their guns all the time.
Both of those are correct statements. Congratulations. ;)
>>>>>> Very cliche, Tim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suppose the three niggers had run Christopher Lane down with the
>>>>>> car? Would you still make the same demands, or find another way
>>>>>> to exhibit your rabid hoplophobia?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aussie-ball-player-
>>>>>> girlfriend-killers-rot-hell-article-
>>>>>> 1.1432837?google_editors_picks=true
>>>>>
>>>>> Avoidance, it's Australian for fear.
>>>>>
>>>> There is no Australian word for fear.
>>>
>>> **Ya gotta love these American wankers. Despite repeated invitations,
>>> not one has accepted my offer to allow them to repeat their
allegations
>>> about Australians at a venue of my choosing (my local pub).
>>>
>>
>> Not enough balls to confront them yourself, eh, Trevor?
>>
>
> **Not all. I've presented my arguments to American gun owners, IN
> PERSON, FACE TO FACE and in the US, dozens of times. I bank on several
> things:
>
> * MOST American gun owners are decent, responsible people and are happy
> to carry on a reasoned discussion about such things.
> * Most American gun owners do not carry their guns all the time.
> The wankers who insult Australians lack the balls to repeat their
claims
> to Australians face to face. Typical.
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 7:00:09 PM8/25/13
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I'll be over in October give us your address
RD Sandman
Aug 25, 2013, 7:09:13 PM8/25/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:iJmdnXOvatjhEYfP...@westnet.com.au:
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA2279F817...@216.196.121.131...
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>> news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>>>>> news:f3d369de082036ac4d0f70f1160f92c4
Send me an Email next month.
news:iJmdnXOvatjhEYfP...@westnet.com.au:
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA2279F817...@216.196.121.131...
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>> news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 7:28:40 PM8/25/13
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and the laughter is the aussies ( who wouldn't touch her) having a beer as
you give the local mattress a dud root
you give the local mattress a dud root
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 7:37:40 PM8/25/13
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> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> higher.
but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:goKdnQFqd6FJAovP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>
>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:5qub19ll9m50q5pap...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 02:14:05 +0200, "Eric Holder Gun Sales"
>>> <lying-blac...@democrats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>
>>>>the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>
>>>>"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,"
>>>>Fischer told the Herald Sun. "I am deeply angry about this
>>>>because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it's a
>>>>sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>There is a gun for almost every American."
>>>
>>> We're embarrassed about that, actually.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>
>> what numbers?
>
> That there is only one gun for every citizen. We think it should be
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get those numbers up.
>>
>> what numbers?
>
> higher.
but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 7:38:41 PM8/25/13
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sent it now so I don't forget. Looking forward to hearing back from you
keithr
Aug 25, 2013, 8:07:31 PM8/25/13
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On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
Gunner Asch
Aug 25, 2013, 8:59:24 PM8/25/13
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:
Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
So they go home to where its acceptable.
<VBG>
wrote:
sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
So they go home to where its acceptable.
<VBG>
Dechucka
Aug 25, 2013, 9:12:06 PM8/25/13
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Fisher over to join your perversions was disgusting
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>
>>Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>>it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>
> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
you should share or do prefer to get blowjobs off your mates. Inviting
> wrote:
>
>>On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>
>>Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>>it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>
> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
Fisher over to join your perversions was disgusting
keithr
Aug 26, 2013, 12:28:38 AM8/26/13
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On 26/08/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>
>> Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>> it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>
> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
>
> So they go home to where its acceptable.
You seem to know more about sheep fucking than anybody that I've ever
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>
>> Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>> it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>
> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
>
> So they go home to where its acceptable.
come across even including kiwis. Now I wonder where you got all that
experience?
Say baa to your wife from me.
Gunner Asch
Aug 26, 2013, 1:52:51 AM8/26/13
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:28:38 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
sightseeing. The wives that took me out and about about pointed out
the sheep fuckers and sheep molesters and I was astounded how many of
you there were.
his sheep said Baaa! She will laugh her ass off.
Gunner
wrote:
>On 26/08/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>>
>>> Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>>> it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>>
>> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
>> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
>>
>> So they go home to where its acceptable.
>
>You seem to know more about sheep fucking than anybody that I've ever
>come across even including kiwis. Now I wonder where you got all that
>experience?
Oh I did R&R or I&I in Oz a number of times and did quite a bit of
>On 26/08/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>>
>>> Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>>> it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>>
>> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
>> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
>>
>> So they go home to where its acceptable.
>
>You seem to know more about sheep fucking than anybody that I've ever
>come across even including kiwis. Now I wonder where you got all that
>experience?
sightseeing. The wives that took me out and about about pointed out
the sheep fuckers and sheep molesters and I was astounded how many of
you there were.
>
>Say baa to your wife from me.
So your a hybrid? Ill tell her the son of a Aussie sheep fucker and
>Say baa to your wife from me.
his sheep said Baaa! She will laugh her ass off.
Gunner
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 2:02:35 AM8/26/13
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have spoken it to you
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 14:28:38 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On 26/08/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>>>
>>>> Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>>>> it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>>>
>>> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
>>> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
>>>
>>> So they go home to where its acceptable.
>>
>>You seem to know more about sheep fucking than anybody that I've ever
>>come across even including kiwis. Now I wonder where you got all that
>>experience?
>
> Oh I did R&R or I&I in Oz a number of times and did quite a bit of
> sightseeing. The wives that took me out and about about pointed out
> the sheep fuckers and sheep molesters and I was astounded how many of
> you there were.
LOL you shouldn't have been using so much shit and the local pros wouldn't
> wrote:
>
>>On 26/08/2013 10:59 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:07:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/2013 8:14 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know a goodly numbers of Aussies..all of whom moved to the US..the
>>>>> smart ones who left the sheep fuckers behind and moved to America
>>>>
>>>> Funny, when I handed back my green card, the US official commented that
>>>> it was only Australians that gave them up and went home.
>>>
>>> Ayup...we dont take kindly to sheep fuckers and its hard for those
>>> sorts of people to find sheep to fuck.
>>>
>>> So they go home to where its acceptable.
>>
>>You seem to know more about sheep fucking than anybody that I've ever
>>come across even including kiwis. Now I wonder where you got all that
>>experience?
>
> Oh I did R&R or I&I in Oz a number of times and did quite a bit of
> sightseeing. The wives that took me out and about about pointed out
> the sheep fuckers and sheep molesters and I was astounded how many of
> you there were.
have spoken it to you
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 1:24:40 PM8/26/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:N9-
dndghT5DaCIfPn...@westnet.com.au:
Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
Now, also consider there is much less trust in our government with that
information. That means less people will answer in the affirmative. We
have sold 3.5 million to 6 million guns per year for a long time. Unless
they are sitting on dealer shelves 10 deep, they are in more homes. Our
estimated number of guns in the US is currently about 310 million. At
least that is the most commonly accepted number.
dndghT5DaCIfPn...@westnet.com.au:
http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
Now, also consider there is much less trust in our government with that
information. That means less people will answer in the affirmative. We
have sold 3.5 million to 6 million guns per year for a long time. Unless
they are sitting on dealer shelves 10 deep, they are in more homes. Our
estimated number of guns in the US is currently about 310 million. At
least that is the most commonly accepted number.
Gunner Asch
Aug 26, 2013, 2:58:59 PM8/26/13
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Gunner
"In the United States "liberal" means today a set of ideas and political postulates
that in every regard are the opposite of all that liberalism meant to the preceding generations.
The American self-styled liberal aims at government omnipotence, is a resolute foe of free enterprise,
and advocates all-round planning by the authorities, i.e., socialism." -- Ludwig von Mises (1929)
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 5:40:46 PM8/26/13
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intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want to play
my data's better than yours
Anyhow some points:-
1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and decreasing or
increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing the decrease is more
modern
2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun purchases
is overwhelming
4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition control
to tighten it
my data's better than yours
Anyhow some points:-
1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and decreasing or
increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing the decrease is more
modern
2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun purchases
is overwhelming
4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition control
to tighten it
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 5:41:32 PM8/26/13
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owned by less than 50% of the population
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 6:21:24 PM8/26/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:l5udnWePsbT4VobP...@westnet.com.au:
Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward guns
or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get calls from
whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me about my guns, I
tell them it is really none of their business. Now, if they wish to
personally show up at my door, show a warrant, etc.. I will be more
helpful.
> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
> purchases is overwhelming
However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or feel
that the people in their districts did or universal background check
would have passed. It didn't.
> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
> control to tighten it
Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning media
that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of war. They
are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you won't see that on
your local telly or in the newspaper.
Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
news:l5udnWePsbT4VobP...@westnet.com.au:
or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get calls from
whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me about my guns, I
tell them it is really none of their business. Now, if they wish to
personally show up at my door, show a warrant, etc.. I will be more
helpful.
> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
> purchases is overwhelming
that the people in their districts did or universal background check
would have passed. It didn't.
> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
> control to tighten it
hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning media
that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of war. They
are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you won't see that on
your local telly or in the newspaper.
Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 6:23:58 PM8/26/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:TJidnerKXuYPVobP...@westnet.com.au:
Perhaps...... Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5 million
to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20 years or 90 to
100 million new guns being added to the inventory and some guns falling
out of it.
news:TJidnerKXuYPVobP...@westnet.com.au:
estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5 million
to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20 years or 90 to
100 million new guns being added to the inventory and some guns falling
out of it.
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 6:33:55 PM8/26/13
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your cite
Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5 million
> to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20 years or 90 to
> 100 million new guns being added to the inventory and some guns falling
> out of it.
more guns per gun owner
Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5 million
> to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20 years or 90 to
> 100 million new guns being added to the inventory and some guns falling
> out of it.
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 6:37:32 PM8/26/13
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I t came from your cite
>
>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
>
> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
> After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>
>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>> purchases is overwhelming
>
> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or feel
> that the people in their districts did or universal background check
> would have passed. It didn't.
Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well. Maybe
pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging the dog
>
>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>> control to tighten it
>
> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
> hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning media
> that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of war. They
> are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you won't see that on
> your local telly or in the newspaper.
>
> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
> Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is rampant in
the populous
>
>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
>
> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
> After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>
>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>> purchases is overwhelming
>
> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or feel
> that the people in their districts did or universal background check
> would have passed. It didn't.
pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging the dog
>
>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>> control to tighten it
>
> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
> hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning media
> that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of war. They
> are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you won't see that on
> your local telly or in the newspaper.
>
> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
> Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
the populous
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 6:39:41 PM8/26/13
to
"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:xISdnd2nVthGSobP...@westnet.com.au:
Reasons for some of that given.....don't go back to your old habits of
not listening. ;)
> Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
>> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5
>> million to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20
>> years or 90 to 100 million new guns being added to the inventory and
>> some guns falling out of it.
>
> more guns per gun owner
That, too.
news:xISdnd2nVthGSobP...@westnet.com.au:
not listening. ;)
> Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
>> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5
>> million to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20
>> years or 90 to 100 million new guns being added to the inventory and
>> some guns falling out of it.
>
> more guns per gun owner
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 6:47:21 PM8/26/13
to
"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:5NSdnReCtZ0uRYbP...@westnet.com.au:
I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
>>
>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
>> After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>
> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a couple
of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of them don't
really have much knowledge on what is legal and what isn't. What may
work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is legal today that they
wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that is already illegal. Most
of the problems in the US and the mass shootings come from two
situations. Mental illness and illegal access to guns.
>>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>>> purchases is overwhelming
>>
>> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or
>> feel that the people in their districts did or universal background
>> check would have passed. It didn't.
>
> Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well.
> Maybe pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging the
> dog
Perhaps. Bottom line is that congresscritters are usually more incented
by being reelected rather than simply the wishes of their constituency.
>>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>>> control to tighten it
>>
>> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
>> hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning
>> media that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of
>> war. They are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you
>> won't see that on your local telly or in the newspaper.
>>
>> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
>> Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
>
> except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is
> rampant in the populous
The populous areas are the ones that are the most liberal and anti gun.
It is also the population that is more ignorant about guns and their laws
and where most of the gang activity and illegal guns are located. Take
Newtown, for example. Caused a huge uproar nationally....however the
lives lost were a rather typical weekend in Chicago or Detroit.
news:5NSdnReCtZ0uRYbP...@westnet.com.au:
>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
>>
>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
>> After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>
> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of them don't
really have much knowledge on what is legal and what isn't. What may
work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is legal today that they
wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that is already illegal. Most
of the problems in the US and the mass shootings come from two
situations. Mental illness and illegal access to guns.
>>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>>> purchases is overwhelming
>>
>> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or
>> feel that the people in their districts did or universal background
>> check would have passed. It didn't.
>
> Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well.
> Maybe pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging the
> dog
by being reelected rather than simply the wishes of their constituency.
>>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>>> control to tighten it
>>
>> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
>> hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning
>> media that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of
>> war. They are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you
>> won't see that on your local telly or in the newspaper.
>>
>> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
>> Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
>
> except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is
> rampant in the populous
It is also the population that is more ignorant about guns and their laws
and where most of the gang activity and illegal guns are located. Take
Newtown, for example. Caused a huge uproar nationally....however the
lives lost were a rather typical weekend in Chicago or Detroit.
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 7:06:43 PM8/26/13
to
news:XnsA2289F533...@216.196.121.131...
just making a comment based on the data you supplied, or do you only believe
the stuff that you agree with
>
>> Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
>>> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5
>>> million to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20
>>> years or 90 to 100 million new guns being added to the inventory and
>>> some guns falling out of it.
>>
>> more guns per gun owner
>
> That, too.
ditto
the stuff that you agree with
>
>> Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
>>> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5
>>> million to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20
>>> years or 90 to 100 million new guns being added to the inventory and
>>> some guns falling out of it.
>>
>> more guns per gun owner
>
> That, too.
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 7:09:44 PM8/26/13
to
"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:HbOdnXd2VqMXQobP...@westnet.com.au:
Nope. I stand behind the data I posted....I just gave you some reasons
why that has occurred. That seems to be the part you aren't listening
to.
>>> Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
>>>> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5
>>>> million to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20
>>>> years or 90 to 100 million new guns being added to the inventory
>>>> and some guns falling out of it.
>>>
>>> more guns per gun owner
>>
>> That, too.
>
> ditto
>
>
news:HbOdnXd2VqMXQobP...@westnet.com.au:
why that has occurred. That seems to be the part you aren't listening
to.
>>> Anyway the number of 310 million is derived from an ATF
>>>> estimate in 1993 of 223 million guns available, an average of 4.5
>>>> million to 5 million guns manufactured every year since (that's 20
>>>> years or 90 to 100 million new guns being added to the inventory
>>>> and some guns falling out of it.
>>>
>>> more guns per gun owner
>>
>> That, too.
>
> ditto
>
>
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 7:10:33 PM8/26/13
to
snip
>>>>>> but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
>>>>
>>>> intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want
>>>> to play my data's better than yours
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow some points:-
>>>>
>>>> 1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and decreasing
>>>> or increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing the decrease
>>>> is more modern
>>>
>>> Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward
>>> guns or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get
>>> calls from whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me
>>> about my guns, I tell them it is really none of their business. Now,
>>> if they wish to personally show up at my door, show a warrant, etc..
>>> I will be more helpful.
>>
>> I t came from your cite
>
> I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
true so maybe it isn't valid including the gun ownership rates being
inflated
>
>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
>>>
>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
>>> After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>
>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>
> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a couple
> of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of them don't
> really have much knowledge on what is legal and what isn't. What may
> work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is legal today that they
> wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that is already illegal. Most
> of the problems in the US and the mass shootings come from two
> situations. Mental illness and illegal access to guns.
which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to be a
good idea
>
>
>>>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>>>> purchases is overwhelming
>>>
>>> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or
>>> feel that the people in their districts did or universal background
>>> check would have passed. It didn't.
>>
>> Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well.
>> Maybe pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging the
>> dog
>
> Perhaps. Bottom line is that congresscritters are usually more incented
> by being reelected rather than simply the wishes of their constituency.
same situation here and we are in the middle of an election campaign
>
>>>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>>>> control to tighten it
>>>
>>> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
>>> hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning
>>> media that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of
>>> war. They are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you
>>> won't see that on your local telly or in the newspaper.
>>>
>>> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
>>> Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
>>
>> except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is
>> rampant in the populous
> The populous areas are the ones that are the most liberal and anti gun.
> It is also the population that is more ignorant about guns and their laws
> and where most of the gang activity and illegal guns are located. Take
> Newtown, for example. Caused a huge uproar nationally....however the
> lives lost were a rather typical weekend in Chicago or Detroit.
surprising that if the cities are the hotbed of shootings that these are the
>>>>>> but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
>>>>
>>>> intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want
>>>> to play my data's better than yours
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow some points:-
>>>>
>>>> 1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and decreasing
>>>> or increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing the decrease
>>>> is more modern
>>>
>>> Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward
>>> guns or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get
>>> calls from whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me
>>> about my guns, I tell them it is really none of their business. Now,
>>> if they wish to personally show up at my door, show a warrant, etc..
>>> I will be more helpful.
>>
>> I t came from your cite
>
> I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
inflated
>
>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and rising
>>>
>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what isn't.
>>> After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>
>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>
> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a couple
> of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of them don't
> really have much knowledge on what is legal and what isn't. What may
> work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is legal today that they
> wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that is already illegal. Most
> of the problems in the US and the mass shootings come from two
> situations. Mental illness and illegal access to guns.
good idea
>
>
>>>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>>>> purchases is overwhelming
>>>
>>> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or
>>> feel that the people in their districts did or universal background
>>> check would have passed. It didn't.
>>
>> Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well.
>> Maybe pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging the
>> dog
>
> Perhaps. Bottom line is that congresscritters are usually more incented
> by being reelected rather than simply the wishes of their constituency.
>
>>>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>>>> control to tighten it
>>>
>>> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used for
>>> hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a fawning
>>> media that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat weapons of
>>> war. They are also excellent varmint and small game guns but you
>>> won't see that on your local telly or in the newspaper.
>>>
>>> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their side,
>>> Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
>>
>> except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is
>> rampant in the populous
> The populous areas are the ones that are the most liberal and anti gun.
> It is also the population that is more ignorant about guns and their laws
> and where most of the gang activity and illegal guns are located. Take
> Newtown, for example. Caused a huge uproar nationally....however the
> lives lost were a rather typical weekend in Chicago or Detroit.
Dechucka
Aug 26, 2013, 7:11:38 PM8/26/13
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news:XnsA228A46BA...@216.196.121.131...
You gave some excuses for the data not fitting your pov fine I'd do the same
:-)
:-)
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 7:34:11 PM8/26/13
to
"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:nMadnT9hPLXtfYbP...@westnet.com.au:
> snip
>
>>>>>>> but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
>>>>>
>>>>> intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want
>>>>> to play my data's better than yours
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow some points:-
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and
>>>>> decreasing or increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing
>>>>> the decrease is more modern
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward
>>>> guns or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get
>>>> calls from whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me
>>>> about my guns, I tell them it is really none of their business.
>>>> Now, if they wish to personally show up at my door, show a warrant,
>>>> etc.. I will be more helpful.
>>>
>>> I t came from your cite
>>
>> I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
>
> true so maybe it isn't valid including the gun ownership rates being
> inflated
What I see is new people coming into shooting (not as many as I would
like, but.....) I don't see too many older shooters giving it up.
>>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and
>>>>> rising
>>>>
>>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what
>>>> isn't. After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>>
>>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>>
>> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a
>> couple of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of
>> them don't really have much knowledge on what is legal and what
>> isn't. What may work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is
>> legal today that they wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that
>> is already illegal. Most of the problems in the US and the mass
>> shootings come from two situations. Mental illness and illegal
>> access to guns.
>
> which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to
> be a good idea
I agree. We need to remove the stigma from mental illness and make it
easier for those who need help to get it. We also need to stiffen the
requirement to pass that information on to the NICS background check for
firearms. That may require some changes to state HIPAA laws.
Look at the following:
Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing background
checks since information that he had been committed for observation never
made it to NICS.
Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima Community
College and told he would not be readmitted on campus until a mental
specialist had certified he was not a danger to himself or others. It
never happened. Ergo, no information in NICS. He passed his background
check.
Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a psychiatrist.
That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed his background checks.
Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed his mother
and took her guns and car to the school.
Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally possessed, gang
warfare over drugs.
>>>>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>>>>> purchases is overwhelming
>>>>
>>>> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or
>>>> feel that the people in their districts did or universal background
>>>> check would have passed. It didn't.
>>>
>>> Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well.
>>> Maybe pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging
>>> the dog
>>
>> Perhaps. Bottom line is that congresscritters are usually more
>> incented by being reelected rather than simply the wishes of their
>> constituency.
>
> same situation here and we are in the middle of an election campaign
At least your pols are driven by the same things there as ours are.
>>>>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>>>>> control to tighten it
>>>>
>>>> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used
>>>> for hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a
>>>> fawning media that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat
>>>> weapons of war. They are also excellent varmint and small game
>>>> guns but you won't see that on your local telly or in the
>>>> newspaper.
>>>>
>>>> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their
>>>> side, Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
>>>
>>> except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is
>>> rampant in the populous
>> The populous areas are the ones that are the most liberal and anti
>> gun. It is also the population that is more ignorant about guns and
>> their laws and where most of the gang activity and illegal guns are
>> located. Take Newtown, for example. Caused a huge uproar
>> nationally....however the lives lost were a rather typical weekend in
>> Chicago or Detroit.
>
> surprising that if the cities are the hotbed of shootings that these
> are the most liberal and anti gun
Why is that? Most of those are gang or drug related and the guns are
illegally possessed. Take for example, the shootings in the news. The
perps are 14, 15, 16, 17. All are too young to legally purchase
handguns. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control in the country.
So does California but gangs in LA have no problems getting guns. I joke
with in-laws who live there that to get guns in LA, just go out on the
street early in the morning on a weekend and take one or two from the
dead bodies or listen for a drive-by and do the same.
news:nMadnT9hPLXtfYbP...@westnet.com.au:
> snip
>
>>>>>>> but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
>>>>>
>>>>> intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want
>>>>> to play my data's better than yours
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow some points:-
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and
>>>>> decreasing or increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing
>>>>> the decrease is more modern
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward
>>>> guns or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get
>>>> calls from whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me
>>>> about my guns, I tell them it is really none of their business.
>>>> Now, if they wish to personally show up at my door, show a warrant,
>>>> etc.. I will be more helpful.
>>>
>>> I t came from your cite
>>
>> I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
>
> true so maybe it isn't valid including the gun ownership rates being
> inflated
like, but.....) I don't see too many older shooters giving it up.
>>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and
>>>>> rising
>>>>
>>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what
>>>> isn't. After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>>
>>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>>
>> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a
>> couple of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of
>> them don't really have much knowledge on what is legal and what
>> isn't. What may work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is
>> legal today that they wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that
>> is already illegal. Most of the problems in the US and the mass
>> shootings come from two situations. Mental illness and illegal
>> access to guns.
>
> which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to
> be a good idea
easier for those who need help to get it. We also need to stiffen the
requirement to pass that information on to the NICS background check for
firearms. That may require some changes to state HIPAA laws.
Look at the following:
Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing background
checks since information that he had been committed for observation never
made it to NICS.
Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima Community
College and told he would not be readmitted on campus until a mental
specialist had certified he was not a danger to himself or others. It
never happened. Ergo, no information in NICS. He passed his background
check.
Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a psychiatrist.
That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed his background checks.
Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed his mother
and took her guns and car to the school.
Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally possessed, gang
warfare over drugs.
>>>>> 3) the % of the population wanting background checks for all gun
>>>>> purchases is overwhelming
>>>>
>>>> However, their representatives in Congress didn't feel that way or
>>>> feel that the people in their districts did or universal background
>>>> check would have passed. It didn't.
>>>
>>> Seems that congress is not representing their electorates very well.
>>> Maybe pressue is coming from other places and the tail is wagging
>>> the dog
>>
>> Perhaps. Bottom line is that congresscritters are usually more
>> incented by being reelected rather than simply the wishes of their
>> constituency.
>
> same situation here and we are in the middle of an election campaign
>>>>> 4) in general there is a move in the other areas of gun/ammunition
>>>>> control to tighten it
>>>>
>>>> Yep, until they find out that it includes their ammo that is used
>>>> for hunting. Most folks feel (thanks to our president and a
>>>> fawning media that licks on his ass) that AR15s are purely combat
>>>> weapons of war. They are also excellent varmint and small game
>>>> guns but you won't see that on your local telly or in the
>>>> newspaper.
>>>>
>>>> Face it, they haven't accomplished much with the media on their
>>>> side, Obama on their side, emotion on their side, etc...
>>>
>>> except, according to your cite, the desire for greater control is
>>> rampant in the populous
>> The populous areas are the ones that are the most liberal and anti
>> gun. It is also the population that is more ignorant about guns and
>> their laws and where most of the gang activity and illegal guns are
>> located. Take Newtown, for example. Caused a huge uproar
>> nationally....however the lives lost were a rather typical weekend in
>> Chicago or Detroit.
>
> surprising that if the cities are the hotbed of shootings that these
> are the most liberal and anti gun
illegally possessed. Take for example, the shootings in the news. The
perps are 14, 15, 16, 17. All are too young to legally purchase
handguns. Chicago has some of the toughest gun control in the country.
So does California but gangs in LA have no problems getting guns. I joke
with in-laws who live there that to get guns in LA, just go out on the
street early in the morning on a weekend and take one or two from the
dead bodies or listen for a drive-by and do the same.
keithr
Aug 26, 2013, 8:00:56 PM8/26/13
to
Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
squeal like a piggy man.
squeal like a piggy man.
keithr
Aug 26, 2013, 8:03:51 PM8/26/13
to
On 26/08/2013 8:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
> news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>>>> news:f3d369de082036ac...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net:
> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
> news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,”
>>>>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
>>>>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
>>>>>>> There is a gun for almost every American.”
>>>>>>> Former Australian Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer criticized
>>>>>>> the National Rifle Association and urged his countrymen to avoid
>>>>>>> the United States as a way to push for tougher gun laws.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,”
>>>>>>> Fischer told the Herald Sun. “I am deeply angry about this
>>>>>>> because of the callous attitude of three teenagers, (but) it’s a
>>>>>>> sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.
state not DC) or Oregon?
George Plimpton
Aug 26, 2013, 8:03:48 PM8/26/13
to
On 8/26/2013 5:00 PM, keithr wrote:
> Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
> squeal like a piggy man.
He's a lying fat fuck.
> Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
> squeal like a piggy man.
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 8:10:35 PM8/26/13
to
keithr <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in news:b828n6Fg5rbU2
@mid.individual.net:
> On 26/08/2013 8:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>> news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
>>>>>>> news:f3d369de082036ac4d0f70f1160f92c4
Nope. I am in Arizona
@mid.individual.net:
> On 26/08/2013 8:40 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>> news:b7vbj3...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 26/08/2013 7:12 AM, RD Sandman wrote:
>>>> Trevor Wilson <tre...@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in
>>>> news:b7v9vt...@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26/08/2013 12:06 AM, keithr wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/08/2013 12:46 PM, Scott Humphries wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21 Aug 2013, "Eric Holder Gun Sales" <lying-black-
>>>>>>> bast...@democrats.org> posted some
whoyakidding's ghost
Aug 26, 2013, 8:37:47 PM8/26/13
to
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:00:56 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:
>Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
>squeal like a piggy man.
But he's an amazing piggy man. Did you know that he's ridden a 264 mph
motorcycle? That he's a sex machine?
Mark R. Wieber (a.k.a. Gunner) Cliff Notes Version 12
Version 12 adds Wieber's lies about living in the high desert, his new
story about how someone fraudulently made him a PE, and his various
opinions about the Wieber Cliff Notes.
Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
Asch.
Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, usually
thousands of times per month. (links to some of his profiles)
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Orot9hQAAAAVu-i7YM79BqNIPO5iBPiLOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=HEaJkBsAAACOrbBANBWNT1XP03_YC9KEwXc63ut3wf6Db8UaObu0tw
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=zKA9NRwAAACtf0cmv8A-iJM5H6Z2Yz6ZIYyGNsfsHA_6Fw_LxpaeDA
His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
opponent dares dispute any of the delusions then Wieber follows up
with ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to
put his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp
posts" during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the
horizon.
"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
"Because when your death arrives in about 2 yrs..maybe less..the
moments of sheer terror you will experience will be absolutely
marvelous to behold. I hope someone sends me a video tape of your
ending as you are butchered." (2010)
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/feb78d14a2bebf9c
<When will the shooting begin?>
"Late summer" (2012)
http://groups.google.com/group/sac.politics/msg/91995d9e14235ffb
"The Great Cull will do just that after all the gun grabbers and
mentally ill Leftwingers are killed and bulldozed into mass graves in
the very very near future." (2013)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/468306d38b83c0e9
This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple
detailed descriptions of gory deaths.
"When the People drag you out and hang you from a bit of barbed wire
after kicking you off a lawn chair..Ill be very happy. In fact..I hope
the doers send me a video clip of your ending. Knowing you were
disposed of, along with the many thousands of your bretheren..and
knowing that you will be gone into a mass grave somewhere along with
the rest of the trash who have tried so hard to ruin America..will
allow me to believe that America will indeed survive."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.agnosticism/msg/d175b9b64781e599
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Wieber likes to fantasize about killing. This example includes a very
lengthy description of impalement.
http://groups.google.com/group/sac.politics/msg/3e720bd5775a70b8
(sample snippets) "So there you are...10 or so feet up in the
air..with a sharp stake up your ass and as time goes by...it pushes
deeper and deeper into your body cavity..any organs that arent pushed
aside..are punctured as you slowly..very slowly slide down the stake"
"Think of the stink that 20,000 writhing, twisting, squirming, wailing
and screaming Leftwingers would make. Glorious! Absolutely
Glorious!"
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Spiritual Wieber
"Im Rensai Buddhist. We are the Buddhists that get to kill bad
people."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/e43f888c326ac288
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Killer Buddhist Wieber's idea of who is "bad."
"wacking leftists is a patriotic duty."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/c5eeb6c57ae2434f
"So we simply kill them all and periodically weed out those who show a
preference for mental illness and Socialism."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/ae4dcca05cd31580
"Kill the leftists. Its the only way."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/1ce71d4938ea0bdd
"Ive not gutted anyone in a number of years, and Id love to see if I
can still make a man scream as I cut out his guts"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
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Wieber buries disagreeable visitors with his invisible backhoe!
"I have some of the prettiest places to take people and move them into
their new digs. And a backhoe to do it properly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sac.politics/msg/5e2893d4f968287d
"So when can I expect to need to fire up the backhoe? You have my
address, so bring it on. Now...do you want a northern exposure or a
southern one?"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rush-limbaugh/msg/02f213f515dbdd75
"my backhoe is fueled!"
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/8ec5e138b751217a
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The invisible backhoe is stored at Wieber's sinking "high desert"
compound.
"My place is at 1953' " 2011
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.philosophy/xb-fNccOkLs/z1mNPFyT4hQJ
"Actually Im at 1405 feet" 2012
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk.politics.guns/RmRrD_slNyk/AHTFS8hOBNMJ
The indisputable reality is low desert, 1032'.
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Photos of Wieber
He occasionally posts photos of himself in his clown costumes.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Gunner#5230962305767101506
Presumably he imagines it will scare readers into believing he might
shoot them from miles away.
The reality is that he's a Usenet Walter Mitty whose main talent is
slowly culling himself by way of copious infusions of nicotine and
Mountain Dew. He'd have died years ago if not for multiple rescues by
the social welfare system he despises.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Bypass#5297722097241260450
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Taxpayers have to save Wieber from the inevitable result of his
lifestyle of heavy smoking, soda and junk food . But he can still do
one handed pullups!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/1f36c4ad63bee0ac
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Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear.
The build-up!!!
"3/4 of an acre"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b
"I own an acre"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.econ/msg/74bd2ff85f98cbfd
"Several acres"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
"the empty lot I own to the left. I also own the lot on the
other side of the alley." "Im going to put up a 30x50 steel
building on the empty lot to the left of the house."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.home.repair/msg/745fd34b5e5a19a9
"the other two lots that I own..right next to mine..and behind mine."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.econ/msg/01785581c332e034
"I own a quarter of an entire block"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c
"I should mention I now have my very own 2500 sq ft warehouse with a 6
Ton over head crane to store Stuff in <G> 2 blocks from my home. With
3 phase."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/00ea7d74ff7048eb
The let-down :(
"I lease proprety around me."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/92431ffa0db2f641
"Ive got an empty lot beside me that I have permission from the owner"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/82a93aa20527de0d
The Reality
One small .16 acre city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
clutter.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/326-Olive-Ave-Taft-CA-93268/18907159_zpid/
http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoU Google street view
http://www.kcttc.co.kern.ca.us/Payment/ATNDetails.aspx?NUMBER=03930320008&NUM_TYPE=AT&YR=H
County property record, showing decades long struggle to make $100
payments, resulting in many thousands of unpaid taxes and late fees.
(If the link doesn't work, search for 326 Olive, Taft, ATN
039-460-26-00-2)
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Wieber's treasures overflow onto neighbor's lot that Wieber previously
claimed to own.
"So this morning..she shows up with 2 deputies and advises me that I
have until 2pm Wed afternoon (24 hrs) to clean the lot off else Id be
cited for "illegally dumping" and the county would clean off the lot."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
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The Wieber Inc. company conference table.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Newpups#5530249378031142674
The corporate pool in the shop basement.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/SepticTank#5537059140372426290
--------------------------
Wieber claims to be very skilled at many trades. He also insists he's
a hard worker despite the obvious contradiction with all the posting.
"Ive got hummm...3-4 Associates Degrees"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a526902ea3daeacc
"I repair machinery in machine shops for $75hr, $25hr travel time
(portal to portal) and $0.50 a mile out and back. And Im one of the
cheap guys. And I weld too."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.engr.joining.welding/msg/fbdfddb82b3ef209
"I made $4k in the last two weeks. Net I own my own company"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/5cf76ac919a364a3
And yet there are a few <ahem> minor contradictions.
"My medical bills? What medical bills? I filed Bankruptcy a couple
months ago. Phoof! All gone!"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.trucking/msg/f58b373e0c864533
"Ive already talked to the IRS about the issue, as well as the
California Franchise Tax Board. They reviewed the data..and gave me a
thumbs up. Since my total assests are less than $60k..home included
...they have Zip interest in taking me to court.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/66f4f601ee528ae6
The evidence is 30 years of liens and judgments.
http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3
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Wieber pretends to be a P.E.
"Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
the tests."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85
Wieber later decides that his "California advertising" was actually
the result of a mysterious fraud!
"It was fascinating though to backtrack who put PE on my "resume" on a
very obscure engineers registry though. A registry that Id never heard
of before the State of California brought it to my attention. A
registry that promptly corrected some ones attempt at fraud..and
gave me the information visa Avis the IP address of the party who did
it. Which I still have..as does the State of California."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/misc.survivalism/xb-fNccOkLs/37P0aaRJ3tcJ
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Sexual Prowess
"While I once got paid to do a porn..it was over 30 yrs ago..and I
kept my socks on."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/20b709a701b572d9
One of Wieber's many descriptions of sexual conquest and expertise,
this time dating a black Victoria's Secret model.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/76b0aba944fe26da
"I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2
His charming description of one of his secret techniques, wherein he
names his victim.
"Reminds me of Barbara Jenkins. I finally had to teach her the joys
of doing it face down. Then she only clawed the pillows to ragged
debris rather than my back. Ive still got scars 25 yrs later"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/92cccf38b22d36fb
"My ol lady likes to get fucked in the ass now and then, and my
girlfriend can suck a dick like a vacuum cleaner"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.crafts.metalworking/G0GgSLMxfak/efoWSco6pb8J
"The day after I got home from the bypass..I nailed the old lady for 2
hours, going easy of course..still had 174 staples in me. After they
pulled the staples..I nailed one of the lady friends for at least a
couple hours. A good time was had by all."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/272a1377e9d6f006
Listen up ladies: if you find teeth a turn-off then Wieber's your man.
"Im not ashamed to state that I have 9 teeth left. (9)"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/488c6a00c55ffdcf
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Wieber's chronicle of the years 1976-2000. Unrequited love, wife and
kid from hell, trash and bills "sneaking" up for years, etc. In his
own words "disgusting."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/94ecb1feee7c3603
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Wieber's detailed description of his Friends List, a personal army of
"computer wienies," ready to track down his online enemies so that his
other friends can execute the offenders, yada yada.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d67151a862
One of the above mentioned friends, and Wieber's most loyal sycophant
and defender for many years, the fearsome Tom Gardner. (the walrus
shaped one)
http://www.neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG
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One version of his story of serving in Vietnam despite the fact that
he was too young to have enlisted.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/503604f47159259d
Some of his explanations for not producing his service
documentation.
"Id have to drive back to my Dads place in Michigan, and dig an old
footlocker out of my piles of stuff to get the dd-214. Its not like I
have a lot of use for it."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a41c6783dbf70507
"Ayup. Id certainly need to get one. Gonna be in another
name..but..shrug...doable.
Assuming I wanted to open that can of worms again.
So Ill just hang in there and let the Democrats pay my bills.
Works for me!"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/786993f7130f418c
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Additional accomplishments as a juvenile
"I met Janis that weekend. (March '68) Fugs, Cream, Animals, Byrds etc
etc etc over the next few years. Met most of the big Names in the next
3 yrs"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/9466cc49e1e9e99d
"Which is why I got to march with Dr King in Detroit in June of
1963..at the age of almost..10."
http://groups.google.com/group/or.politics/msg/ff92a4b3bf6990c4
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Name an occupation and Wieber will claim to have substantial
experience. The trouble is that after so many hundreds of thousands of
posts he can't possibly keep track of who he's one-upped, including
himself.
The amazing Deputy Pinocchio story
"I dabbled as a reserve Deputy for a couple years"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/50864f4b5ffce244
"a reserve Deputy at night (two years)"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/daf6b3de8807600c
"Worked for 5 yrs as a reserve Sheriff's Deputy"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b
"I was a Deputy for several years in the 70s"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0f875239e83efa41
"8 yrs on the street as a cop"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/898e16741f642645
"a number of years as a Deputy Sheriff..and have done bounty hunting
on and off for many years"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"And Ive known drug dealers for 30 yrs. Most of them are dead or in
prison. Ive arrested some 2500 or more of them over the years."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5587a26b9180b99b
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At some point Wieber decided he'd been a paramedic as well.
"As an ex paramedic"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/adbd03a89de3e8be
"Blacksmithing, animal husbandry, "handy man", paramedic, armorer"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/93bdfece55aad274
"Ive been..in Real Life(tm)...everything from a pulp cutter
(lumberjack), to fishing guide, deputy sheriff, Army Ranger, alarm
company Sr. Engineer, Ham Radio hobbyist, CB radio tech, commerical
photographer, competative marksman and pistol combat shooter,
gunsmith, paramedic and a host of other things both as a living and as
hobbies."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/20611c75a80e805c
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Wieber's life is better than yours.
"When was the last time you attended a Black Tie dinner function with
the president of a Fortune 500 Company? Last year for me.
When was the last time you sat down over pizza and discussed the
economy with a world class economist? Last month, for me."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/36cd1553d4b2efac
"I own my own business doing engineering etc etc."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"I can high kick a light bulb out of an 8 ft ceiling fixture"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.crafts.metalworking/DB1Bm1vqU7Y/iGGv6zhvnZYJ
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History Student Wieber
"Gunner, who IS a student of military history and war"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/49650e55e6e593cf
"eff..stick with Blackstone, ok? Its a bit late to be catching up with
military history. Ive been a student of it for well over 30 yrs"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e4f456d678fa05d2
"Gunner, student of history"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7312daff1e449364
"Though I AM a student of history"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/84be46090d3146f7
"Im also a student of not only military history, but geopolitical
history"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/4b34eff2cfdde518
<drum roll...>
"Hitler was a Socialist/Fascist just like US liberals"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/fdfacb0e8c4998f4
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Wieber NEVER stops working (lying).
"In the past 40 yrs..I think Ive been unemployed for a total of
hummm...6 days."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/d9eb24039fa0acfd
"Ive only been unemployed for about 3 months"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/5289d0323c4125cf
All that working, paychecks not so much.
"So I went dumpster diving. And I sat in a house with no gas or
electricity and ate my dumpster food, and shared it with my dogs and
cats. We all were happy to have food. For two weeks."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/a2ddd7a2af9e6173
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Do not cross Wieber, he has an army of lawyers ready to issue a
"summins."
"Im sure your provider is going to be real happy to get a phone call
from me, my lawyer, and a couple other folks whom carry a bit of
weight" (2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/493fb369d84be771
"My lawyer hates reading between the lines" (2010)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/f1f0383a30932b60
"Im a big fan of turning them over to the cops along with a signed
statement (having my Lawyer draw it up and deliver it)" (2010)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/fb3cf3b61873c5fc
"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
(2011)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
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Marksman Wieber
"Shooting a coyote in the head at 75 yrd with a handgun is dead
easy."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/da06ccf3a0e72385
"In my circle..we dont bother to take out a rifle until the range to
ground squirrels gets past 175-200 yrds."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/e7612d549bdd6b65
"I drag out the rifles when the ranges go over 250 meters when varmint
shooting."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/cf75ae65479ede0f
"...but Ive trained (and actually survived) multiple
targets/assailents, armed with a variety of weapons, over the years.
Ive been shot, stabbed, bayoneted, blown up, bucked off, run over,
thiumped on, clubbed, smashed bashed and generally been abused...but
while Im not as fast as I used to be...I can still punch a .45 round
into multiple targets while keeping at least 2 pieces of brass in the
air at the same time I shot in a combat match Sept 7th of this
year..they put me in with the active military and active police
shooters and I took 1st place. Got yet another dust collector to try
to find a place for. 5 falling plates at 15 yrds in 2.01 seconds.
Slow as molasses for a hot shooter..slow as hell for me in my
prime...but still faster than 99.999 people on the street And that
was not having competed in several years, cold off the street, with my
daily gun and old ammo grabbed out of the junk self. I ran the course
again with a .41 Magnum, full house loads..and my best time was 2.51
seconds. Shrug...one doesnt think..one simply does..muscle memory
does the rest. After shooting at least 1 million rounds out of
handguns alone over the past 30 yrs...."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/814fb94f4af5ed84
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Wieber's even more amazing friends
"A buddy of mine (Ranger) killed a deer once on a $100 bet, with a
ball pein hammer."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/cf75ae65479ede0f
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Wieber, Macho Mitty. Bears and boar, watch out!
"From about 20 feet. Not a baited bear or dog run bear either. I snuck
up her fair and square. But then..I was used to hunting far more
dangerous game."
"how about wild boar with a bowie knife? Been there, done that."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ebb54d1b4f0bedfd
"the last two wild boar and the last 3 deer I harvested were with
handguns. Oh..and second and third elk I took were with handguns."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/2f45ca9a15826bc3
"I took a boar with an obsidian tipped spear once. "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9637d110cdd03169
"I competed in several pistol competitions and came in 2nd and 3rd,
which included reloading both revolvers and semiautos and killed,
butchered and packed out a number of wild boar with one arm."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/5aeb44a357a40201
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Wieber is indestructible!
Ive been treated for injuries as a result of rodeo, motorcycles,
knives, explosive devices, assault. aircraft crashes and motor vehicle
crashes.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/acebd3f3a912ff2e
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The stupendous Wieber tops world records!
264 mph motorcycle
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/504734f74873c17f
42 knot Hobie Cat
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0042848ac1416cbe
2 foot centipede
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e32c62114ea73910
Drives 10 million miles <913 miles every day for 30 years>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4af80a15
Only 1 million on "scooters" though.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7dc2a66a8a53c2d6
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Self professed animal lover.
Except for beating one dog.
"What he seemed to have a handled on was smoking my cigarrettes, and
guzzling energy drinks like a speed freak when he wasn't downing
Mountain Dew or beating his dog"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/551e94166afc0da2
And hanging another from a choker chain. A redneck classic.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/5e8ae7330e8be437
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Wieber's funniest lies.
"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb
"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f530780d8194
"I lied about who I was and how old I was"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/b6421cb4f5a8eb52
<Readers, cage your irony meters>
"I can say with a clear conscience that I dont lie. And I dont.
Ive made a point of it for most of my life. Ever since I discovered
its far far to difficult to remember which lies one tells which person
and it comes back and bites you in the ass."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/7f633fef7961cc92
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And in case you couldn't guess, here are some of his IQ stories.
"mid 150s"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420
"In 1971, I was given a battery of tests at Michigan Tech University
(Houghton) and after some head scratching, the chief of testing
declared I had an IQ of 157. They wrote several articles on the
subject and published them somewhere."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"165"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/b8b3afb9ad1fd63f
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Wieber was/wasn't a Mensa member.
"Was asked to join Mensa, but didnt (proves Im smart) " 2001
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420
"Mensa? Been there, done that." 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"Certainly not the same Mensa that I belonged to." 2013
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa/msg/b5c3c389ba595b74
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Wieber hates/loves the Wieber Cliff Notes.
A great set up for court!!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk.politics.guns/BfeVyikv-Jo/hvwmn6m4cDEJ
("summins" must be enroute via turtle express)
a pretty good listing of my accomplishments
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.survivalism/T0BKEovPmIA/qM2K2lIlG-0J
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Finally, for music lovers, the Wieber theme song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQOS3hKIa8
Talking Hard Work
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie
While we're on the subject of hard work
I just wanted to say that I always was a man to work.
I was born working and I worked my way up by hard work.
I ain't never go nowhere yet but I got there by hard work:
Work of the hardest kind.
I been down and I been out
And I've been busted, disgusted and couldn't be trusted.
I worked my way up and I worked my way down.
I've been drunk and I've been sober. I've had hard times and I got
hijacked
And been robbed for cash and robbed for credit.
Worked my way into jail and outta jail
And I woke up alotta mornings and I didn't even know where I was at.
But the hardest work I ever done is when I was trying to get myself
a worried woman to ease my worried mind.
Now I'm gonna tell you just about how much hard work I had to do to
get this here
women that I'm a-tellin you about.
I shook hands with 97 of her kinfolks and her blood relatives and I
done the same with 86 people that was just her friends and her
neighbors.
Kissed 73 babies and put dry pants on 34 of em' as well as others
And done the same thing several times - as well as a lot of other
things
just about like this.
I held 125 head of wild horses, put saddles and bridles on more that
that,
harnessed some of the craziest, wildest teams in the whole country.
I rode 14 loco broncos to a dead standstill and let 42 hound dogs lick
me all over.
Seven times I was bit by hungry dogs and I was chewed all to pieces by
water moccasins and rattlesnakes on two separate river bottoms.
I chopped and I carried 314 armloads of stove wood, 100 buckets of
coal,
and I carried a gallon of kerosene 18 miles over the mountains, got
lost,
lost a pair of shoes in a mud hole.
And I chopped and I weeded 48 rows of short cotton, 13 acres of bad
corn
and cut sticker weeds out of 11 back yards.
All on accounta' cause I wanted to show her that I was a man a I liked
to work.
I cleaned out 9 barnloads and cranked 31 automobiles, all makes and
models.
Pulled 3 cars out of mud holes and 4 out of snowdrifts.
I dug 5 cisterns of water for some of her friends and neighbors
and run all kinds of errands.
I played the fiddle for 9 churches meetings and I joined 11 separate
denominations.
I signed up and joined up for 7 of the best trade unions I could find
And paid my dues about 6 weeks ahead of time.
Waded 40 miles of swamps, 60 big rivers,
Walked across 2 mountain ranges and crossed three deserts.
I got the fever and I got sunstroke and I got malaria and I got the
flu
and I got moonstruck and skeeter bit, the poison ivy and the 7 year
itch
and the blind staggers.
I was given up for lost and dead about 2 dozen times.
Struck by lightning, struck by Congress, struck by friends and
kinfolks
as well as by three cars on the highways and a lotta times in peoples
hen-houses.
I been hit and run down and run over and walked on and knocked around
And I'm just settin' here now trying to study up what else I can do to
show
that woman that I still ain't afraid of hard work.
wrote:
>Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
>squeal like a piggy man.
motorcycle? That he's a sex machine?
Mark R. Wieber (a.k.a. Gunner) Cliff Notes Version 12
Version 12 adds Wieber's lies about living in the high desert, his new
story about how someone fraudulently made him a PE, and his various
opinions about the Wieber Cliff Notes.
Below is a collection of links and quotes describing infamous Usenet
troll and death warrant issuer Mark. R. Wieber, a.ka. Gunner or Gunner
Asch.
Wieber has been posting to Usenet since the mid '90s, usually
thousands of times per month. (links to some of his profiles)
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Orot9hQAAAAVu-i7YM79BqNIPO5iBPiLOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=HEaJkBsAAACOrbBANBWNT1XP03_YC9KEwXc63ut3wf6Db8UaObu0tw
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=zKA9NRwAAACtf0cmv8A-iJM5H6Z2Yz6ZIYyGNsfsHA_6Fw_LxpaeDA
His habit is to write tall tales to top anyone he's debating. If his
opponent dares dispute any of the delusions then Wieber follows up
with ever more elaboration and exaggeration. He frequently promises to
put his critics on "the list" so that they will be "hung from lamp
posts" during "the great cull" which is perennially just over the
horizon.
"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
"Because when your death arrives in about 2 yrs..maybe less..the
moments of sheer terror you will experience will be absolutely
marvelous to behold. I hope someone sends me a video tape of your
ending as you are butchered." (2010)
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/feb78d14a2bebf9c
<When will the shooting begin?>
"Late summer" (2012)
http://groups.google.com/group/sac.politics/msg/91995d9e14235ffb
"The Great Cull will do just that after all the gun grabbers and
mentally ill Leftwingers are killed and bulldozed into mass graves in
the very very near future." (2013)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/468306d38b83c0e9
This tactic is usually accompanied by multiple
detailed descriptions of gory deaths.
"When the People drag you out and hang you from a bit of barbed wire
after kicking you off a lawn chair..Ill be very happy. In fact..I hope
the doers send me a video clip of your ending. Knowing you were
disposed of, along with the many thousands of your bretheren..and
knowing that you will be gone into a mass grave somewhere along with
the rest of the trash who have tried so hard to ruin America..will
allow me to believe that America will indeed survive."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.agnosticism/msg/d175b9b64781e599
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Wieber likes to fantasize about killing. This example includes a very
lengthy description of impalement.
http://groups.google.com/group/sac.politics/msg/3e720bd5775a70b8
(sample snippets) "So there you are...10 or so feet up in the
air..with a sharp stake up your ass and as time goes by...it pushes
deeper and deeper into your body cavity..any organs that arent pushed
aside..are punctured as you slowly..very slowly slide down the stake"
"Think of the stink that 20,000 writhing, twisting, squirming, wailing
and screaming Leftwingers would make. Glorious! Absolutely
Glorious!"
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Spiritual Wieber
"Im Rensai Buddhist. We are the Buddhists that get to kill bad
people."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian/msg/e43f888c326ac288
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Killer Buddhist Wieber's idea of who is "bad."
"wacking leftists is a patriotic duty."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.men/msg/c5eeb6c57ae2434f
"So we simply kill them all and periodically weed out those who show a
preference for mental illness and Socialism."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/ae4dcca05cd31580
"Kill the leftists. Its the only way."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/1ce71d4938ea0bdd
"Ive not gutted anyone in a number of years, and Id love to see if I
can still make a man scream as I cut out his guts"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
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Wieber buries disagreeable visitors with his invisible backhoe!
"I have some of the prettiest places to take people and move them into
their new digs. And a backhoe to do it properly."
http://groups.google.com/group/sac.politics/msg/5e2893d4f968287d
"So when can I expect to need to fire up the backhoe? You have my
address, so bring it on. Now...do you want a northern exposure or a
southern one?"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rush-limbaugh/msg/02f213f515dbdd75
"my backhoe is fueled!"
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/8ec5e138b751217a
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The invisible backhoe is stored at Wieber's sinking "high desert"
compound.
"My place is at 1953' " 2011
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.philosophy/xb-fNccOkLs/z1mNPFyT4hQJ
"Actually Im at 1405 feet" 2012
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk.politics.guns/RmRrD_slNyk/AHTFS8hOBNMJ
The indisputable reality is low desert, 1032'.
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Photos of Wieber
He occasionally posts photos of himself in his clown costumes.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Gunner#5230962305767101506
Presumably he imagines it will scare readers into believing he might
shoot them from miles away.
The reality is that he's a Usenet Walter Mitty whose main talent is
slowly culling himself by way of copious infusions of nicotine and
Mountain Dew. He'd have died years ago if not for multiple rescues by
the social welfare system he despises.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Bypass#5297722097241260450
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Taxpayers have to save Wieber from the inevitable result of his
lifestyle of heavy smoking, soda and junk food . But he can still do
one handed pullups!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/1f36c4ad63bee0ac
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Wieber likes to pretend that he lives on ranch acreage, prepared to
survive the apocalypses he constantly warns everyone to fear.
The build-up!!!
"3/4 of an acre"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b
"I own an acre"
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.econ/msg/74bd2ff85f98cbfd
"Several acres"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/3d5d25863209cdc3
"the empty lot I own to the left. I also own the lot on the
other side of the alley." "Im going to put up a 30x50 steel
building on the empty lot to the left of the house."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.home.repair/msg/745fd34b5e5a19a9
"the other two lots that I own..right next to mine..and behind mine."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.econ/msg/01785581c332e034
"I own a quarter of an entire block"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c
"I should mention I now have my very own 2500 sq ft warehouse with a 6
Ton over head crane to store Stuff in <G> 2 blocks from my home. With
3 phase."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/00ea7d74ff7048eb
The let-down :(
"I lease proprety around me."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/92431ffa0db2f641
"Ive got an empty lot beside me that I have permission from the owner"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/82a93aa20527de0d
The Reality
One small .16 acre city lot with a shabby mobile home and tons of
clutter.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/326-Olive-Ave-Taft-CA-93268/18907159_zpid/
http://goo.gl/maps/TEXoU Google street view
http://www.kcttc.co.kern.ca.us/Payment/ATNDetails.aspx?NUMBER=03930320008&NUM_TYPE=AT&YR=H
County property record, showing decades long struggle to make $100
payments, resulting in many thousands of unpaid taxes and late fees.
(If the link doesn't work, search for 326 Olive, Taft, ATN
039-460-26-00-2)
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Wieber's treasures overflow onto neighbor's lot that Wieber previously
claimed to own.
"So this morning..she shows up with 2 deputies and advises me that I
have until 2pm Wed afternoon (24 hrs) to clean the lot off else Id be
cited for "illegally dumping" and the county would clean off the lot."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
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The Wieber Inc. company conference table.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Newpups#5530249378031142674
The corporate pool in the shop basement.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/SepticTank#5537059140372426290
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Wieber claims to be very skilled at many trades. He also insists he's
a hard worker despite the obvious contradiction with all the posting.
"Ive got hummm...3-4 Associates Degrees"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a526902ea3daeacc
"I repair machinery in machine shops for $75hr, $25hr travel time
(portal to portal) and $0.50 a mile out and back. And Im one of the
cheap guys. And I weld too."
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.engr.joining.welding/msg/fbdfddb82b3ef209
"I made $4k in the last two weeks. Net I own my own company"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/5cf76ac919a364a3
And yet there are a few <ahem> minor contradictions.
"My medical bills? What medical bills? I filed Bankruptcy a couple
months ago. Phoof! All gone!"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.transport.trucking/msg/f58b373e0c864533
"Ive already talked to the IRS about the issue, as well as the
California Franchise Tax Board. They reviewed the data..and gave me a
thumbs up. Since my total assests are less than $60k..home included
...they have Zip interest in taking me to court.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/66f4f601ee528ae6
The evidence is 30 years of liens and judgments.
http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp http://tinyurl.com/l68gh3
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Wieber pretends to be a P.E.
"Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
the tests."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85
Wieber later decides that his "California advertising" was actually
the result of a mysterious fraud!
"It was fascinating though to backtrack who put PE on my "resume" on a
very obscure engineers registry though. A registry that Id never heard
of before the State of California brought it to my attention. A
registry that promptly corrected some ones attempt at fraud..and
gave me the information visa Avis the IP address of the party who did
it. Which I still have..as does the State of California."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/misc.survivalism/xb-fNccOkLs/37P0aaRJ3tcJ
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Sexual Prowess
"While I once got paid to do a porn..it was over 30 yrs ago..and I
kept my socks on."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/20b709a701b572d9
One of Wieber's many descriptions of sexual conquest and expertise,
this time dating a black Victoria's Secret model.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/76b0aba944fe26da
"I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2
His charming description of one of his secret techniques, wherein he
names his victim.
"Reminds me of Barbara Jenkins. I finally had to teach her the joys
of doing it face down. Then she only clawed the pillows to ragged
debris rather than my back. Ive still got scars 25 yrs later"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/92cccf38b22d36fb
"My ol lady likes to get fucked in the ass now and then, and my
girlfriend can suck a dick like a vacuum cleaner"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.crafts.metalworking/G0GgSLMxfak/efoWSco6pb8J
"The day after I got home from the bypass..I nailed the old lady for 2
hours, going easy of course..still had 174 staples in me. After they
pulled the staples..I nailed one of the lady friends for at least a
couple hours. A good time was had by all."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/272a1377e9d6f006
Listen up ladies: if you find teeth a turn-off then Wieber's your man.
"Im not ashamed to state that I have 9 teeth left. (9)"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/488c6a00c55ffdcf
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Wieber's chronicle of the years 1976-2000. Unrequited love, wife and
kid from hell, trash and bills "sneaking" up for years, etc. In his
own words "disgusting."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/94ecb1feee7c3603
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Wieber's detailed description of his Friends List, a personal army of
"computer wienies," ready to track down his online enemies so that his
other friends can execute the offenders, yada yada.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d67151a862
One of the above mentioned friends, and Wieber's most loyal sycophant
and defender for many years, the fearsome Tom Gardner. (the walrus
shaped one)
http://www.neme-s.org/Oshkosh_2007/Ohio_Brush/DSC02543.JPG
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One version of his story of serving in Vietnam despite the fact that
he was too young to have enlisted.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.military/msg/503604f47159259d
Some of his explanations for not producing his service
documentation.
"Id have to drive back to my Dads place in Michigan, and dig an old
footlocker out of my piles of stuff to get the dd-214. Its not like I
have a lot of use for it."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/a41c6783dbf70507
"Ayup. Id certainly need to get one. Gonna be in another
name..but..shrug...doable.
Assuming I wanted to open that can of worms again.
So Ill just hang in there and let the Democrats pay my bills.
Works for me!"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/786993f7130f418c
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Additional accomplishments as a juvenile
"I met Janis that weekend. (March '68) Fugs, Cream, Animals, Byrds etc
etc etc over the next few years. Met most of the big Names in the next
3 yrs"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/9466cc49e1e9e99d
"Which is why I got to march with Dr King in Detroit in June of
1963..at the age of almost..10."
http://groups.google.com/group/or.politics/msg/ff92a4b3bf6990c4
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Name an occupation and Wieber will claim to have substantial
experience. The trouble is that after so many hundreds of thousands of
posts he can't possibly keep track of who he's one-upped, including
himself.
The amazing Deputy Pinocchio story
"I dabbled as a reserve Deputy for a couple years"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/50864f4b5ffce244
"a reserve Deputy at night (two years)"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/daf6b3de8807600c
"Worked for 5 yrs as a reserve Sheriff's Deputy"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/cab03648c38ec69b
"I was a Deputy for several years in the 70s"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0f875239e83efa41
"8 yrs on the street as a cop"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/898e16741f642645
"a number of years as a Deputy Sheriff..and have done bounty hunting
on and off for many years"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"And Ive known drug dealers for 30 yrs. Most of them are dead or in
prison. Ive arrested some 2500 or more of them over the years."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/5587a26b9180b99b
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At some point Wieber decided he'd been a paramedic as well.
"As an ex paramedic"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/adbd03a89de3e8be
"Blacksmithing, animal husbandry, "handy man", paramedic, armorer"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/93bdfece55aad274
"Ive been..in Real Life(tm)...everything from a pulp cutter
(lumberjack), to fishing guide, deputy sheriff, Army Ranger, alarm
company Sr. Engineer, Ham Radio hobbyist, CB radio tech, commerical
photographer, competative marksman and pistol combat shooter,
gunsmith, paramedic and a host of other things both as a living and as
hobbies."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/20611c75a80e805c
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Wieber's life is better than yours.
"When was the last time you attended a Black Tie dinner function with
the president of a Fortune 500 Company? Last year for me.
When was the last time you sat down over pizza and discussed the
economy with a world class economist? Last month, for me."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/36cd1553d4b2efac
"I own my own business doing engineering etc etc."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"I can high kick a light bulb out of an 8 ft ceiling fixture"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.crafts.metalworking/DB1Bm1vqU7Y/iGGv6zhvnZYJ
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History Student Wieber
"Gunner, who IS a student of military history and war"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/49650e55e6e593cf
"eff..stick with Blackstone, ok? Its a bit late to be catching up with
military history. Ive been a student of it for well over 30 yrs"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e4f456d678fa05d2
"Gunner, student of history"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7312daff1e449364
"Though I AM a student of history"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/84be46090d3146f7
"Im also a student of not only military history, but geopolitical
history"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/4b34eff2cfdde518
<drum roll...>
"Hitler was a Socialist/Fascist just like US liberals"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/fdfacb0e8c4998f4
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Wieber NEVER stops working (lying).
"In the past 40 yrs..I think Ive been unemployed for a total of
hummm...6 days."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/d9eb24039fa0acfd
"Ive only been unemployed for about 3 months"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/5289d0323c4125cf
All that working, paychecks not so much.
"So I went dumpster diving. And I sat in a house with no gas or
electricity and ate my dumpster food, and shared it with my dogs and
cats. We all were happy to have food. For two weeks."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/a2ddd7a2af9e6173
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Do not cross Wieber, he has an army of lawyers ready to issue a
"summins."
"Im sure your provider is going to be real happy to get a phone call
from me, my lawyer, and a couple other folks whom carry a bit of
weight" (2007)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/493fb369d84be771
"My lawyer hates reading between the lines" (2010)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/f1f0383a30932b60
"Im a big fan of turning them over to the cops along with a signed
statement (having my Lawyer draw it up and deliver it)" (2010)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/fb3cf3b61873c5fc
"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
(2011)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
-----------------------------------
Marksman Wieber
"Shooting a coyote in the head at 75 yrd with a handgun is dead
easy."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/da06ccf3a0e72385
"In my circle..we dont bother to take out a rifle until the range to
ground squirrels gets past 175-200 yrds."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/e7612d549bdd6b65
"I drag out the rifles when the ranges go over 250 meters when varmint
shooting."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/cf75ae65479ede0f
"...but Ive trained (and actually survived) multiple
targets/assailents, armed with a variety of weapons, over the years.
Ive been shot, stabbed, bayoneted, blown up, bucked off, run over,
thiumped on, clubbed, smashed bashed and generally been abused...but
while Im not as fast as I used to be...I can still punch a .45 round
into multiple targets while keeping at least 2 pieces of brass in the
air at the same time I shot in a combat match Sept 7th of this
year..they put me in with the active military and active police
shooters and I took 1st place. Got yet another dust collector to try
to find a place for. 5 falling plates at 15 yrds in 2.01 seconds.
Slow as molasses for a hot shooter..slow as hell for me in my
prime...but still faster than 99.999 people on the street And that
was not having competed in several years, cold off the street, with my
daily gun and old ammo grabbed out of the junk self. I ran the course
again with a .41 Magnum, full house loads..and my best time was 2.51
seconds. Shrug...one doesnt think..one simply does..muscle memory
does the rest. After shooting at least 1 million rounds out of
handguns alone over the past 30 yrs...."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/814fb94f4af5ed84
--------------------------------
Wieber's even more amazing friends
"A buddy of mine (Ranger) killed a deer once on a $100 bet, with a
ball pein hammer."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/cf75ae65479ede0f
-----------------------------------
Wieber, Macho Mitty. Bears and boar, watch out!
"From about 20 feet. Not a baited bear or dog run bear either. I snuck
up her fair and square. But then..I was used to hunting far more
dangerous game."
"how about wild boar with a bowie knife? Been there, done that."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ebb54d1b4f0bedfd
"the last two wild boar and the last 3 deer I harvested were with
handguns. Oh..and second and third elk I took were with handguns."
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/2f45ca9a15826bc3
"I took a boar with an obsidian tipped spear once. "
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/9637d110cdd03169
"I competed in several pistol competitions and came in 2nd and 3rd,
which included reloading both revolvers and semiautos and killed,
butchered and packed out a number of wild boar with one arm."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.survival/msg/5aeb44a357a40201
-------------------------------------
Wieber is indestructible!
Ive been treated for injuries as a result of rodeo, motorcycles,
knives, explosive devices, assault. aircraft crashes and motor vehicle
crashes.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/acebd3f3a912ff2e
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The stupendous Wieber tops world records!
264 mph motorcycle
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/504734f74873c17f
42 knot Hobie Cat
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/0042848ac1416cbe
2 foot centipede
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/e32c62114ea73910
Drives 10 million miles <913 miles every day for 30 years>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4af80a15
Only 1 million on "scooters" though.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/7dc2a66a8a53c2d6
-------------------------------------
Self professed animal lover.
Except for beating one dog.
"What he seemed to have a handled on was smoking my cigarrettes, and
guzzling energy drinks like a speed freak when he wasn't downing
Mountain Dew or beating his dog"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/551e94166afc0da2
And hanging another from a choker chain. A redneck classic.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/5e8ae7330e8be437
--------------------
Wieber's funniest lies.
"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb
"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f530780d8194
"I lied about who I was and how old I was"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/b6421cb4f5a8eb52
<Readers, cage your irony meters>
"I can say with a clear conscience that I dont lie. And I dont.
Ive made a point of it for most of my life. Ever since I discovered
its far far to difficult to remember which lies one tells which person
and it comes back and bites you in the ass."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/7f633fef7961cc92
---------------------
And in case you couldn't guess, here are some of his IQ stories.
"mid 150s"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420
"In 1971, I was given a battery of tests at Michigan Tech University
(Houghton) and after some head scratching, the chief of testing
declared I had an IQ of 157. They wrote several articles on the
subject and published them somewhere."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"165"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/b8b3afb9ad1fd63f
-----------------------
Wieber was/wasn't a Mensa member.
"Was asked to join Mensa, but didnt (proves Im smart) " 2001
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420
"Mensa? Been there, done that." 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a
"Certainly not the same Mensa that I belonged to." 2013
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa/msg/b5c3c389ba595b74
----------------------------
Wieber hates/loves the Wieber Cliff Notes.
A great set up for court!!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/talk.politics.guns/BfeVyikv-Jo/hvwmn6m4cDEJ
("summins" must be enroute via turtle express)
a pretty good listing of my accomplishments
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.survivalism/T0BKEovPmIA/qM2K2lIlG-0J
------------------------------
Finally, for music lovers, the Wieber theme song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waQOS3hKIa8
Talking Hard Work
Words and Music by Woody Guthrie
While we're on the subject of hard work
I just wanted to say that I always was a man to work.
I was born working and I worked my way up by hard work.
I ain't never go nowhere yet but I got there by hard work:
Work of the hardest kind.
I been down and I been out
And I've been busted, disgusted and couldn't be trusted.
I worked my way up and I worked my way down.
I've been drunk and I've been sober. I've had hard times and I got
hijacked
And been robbed for cash and robbed for credit.
Worked my way into jail and outta jail
And I woke up alotta mornings and I didn't even know where I was at.
But the hardest work I ever done is when I was trying to get myself
a worried woman to ease my worried mind.
Now I'm gonna tell you just about how much hard work I had to do to
get this here
women that I'm a-tellin you about.
I shook hands with 97 of her kinfolks and her blood relatives and I
done the same with 86 people that was just her friends and her
neighbors.
Kissed 73 babies and put dry pants on 34 of em' as well as others
And done the same thing several times - as well as a lot of other
things
just about like this.
I held 125 head of wild horses, put saddles and bridles on more that
that,
harnessed some of the craziest, wildest teams in the whole country.
I rode 14 loco broncos to a dead standstill and let 42 hound dogs lick
me all over.
Seven times I was bit by hungry dogs and I was chewed all to pieces by
water moccasins and rattlesnakes on two separate river bottoms.
I chopped and I carried 314 armloads of stove wood, 100 buckets of
coal,
and I carried a gallon of kerosene 18 miles over the mountains, got
lost,
lost a pair of shoes in a mud hole.
And I chopped and I weeded 48 rows of short cotton, 13 acres of bad
corn
and cut sticker weeds out of 11 back yards.
All on accounta' cause I wanted to show her that I was a man a I liked
to work.
I cleaned out 9 barnloads and cranked 31 automobiles, all makes and
models.
Pulled 3 cars out of mud holes and 4 out of snowdrifts.
I dug 5 cisterns of water for some of her friends and neighbors
and run all kinds of errands.
I played the fiddle for 9 churches meetings and I joined 11 separate
denominations.
I signed up and joined up for 7 of the best trade unions I could find
And paid my dues about 6 weeks ahead of time.
Waded 40 miles of swamps, 60 big rivers,
Walked across 2 mountain ranges and crossed three deserts.
I got the fever and I got sunstroke and I got malaria and I got the
flu
and I got moonstruck and skeeter bit, the poison ivy and the 7 year
itch
and the blind staggers.
I was given up for lost and dead about 2 dozen times.
Struck by lightning, struck by Congress, struck by friends and
kinfolks
as well as by three cars on the highways and a lotta times in peoples
hen-houses.
I been hit and run down and run over and walked on and knocked around
And I'm just settin' here now trying to study up what else I can do to
show
that woman that I still ain't afraid of hard work.
keithr
Aug 26, 2013, 9:04:28 PM8/26/13
to
the timeslot available and I'd have to forego my visit to the Flying
Heritage Museum in Everett.
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 9:13:17 PM8/26/13
to
keithr <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in news:b82c8sFgsk6U1
@mid.individual.net:
You pays your money, you takes your choice. If you make your trip in
October you can join another of your countrymen.
@mid.individual.net:
October you can join another of your countrymen.
Tom Gardner
Aug 26, 2013, 9:42:20 PM8/26/13
to
On 8/26/2013 8:00 PM, keithr wrote:
> Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
> squeal like a piggy man.
>
Or so you hope...squealer-boy.
> Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
> squeal like a piggy man.
>
keithr
Aug 26, 2013, 10:24:38 PM8/26/13
to
but we are going to other places first.
RD Sandman
Aug 26, 2013, 10:46:22 PM8/26/13
to
keithr <us...@domain.invalid> wrote in news:b82gv4Fhn85U1
@mid.individual.net:
Catch ya' next time. Have a good trip.......Don't fly Asiana into SFO.
@mid.individual.net:
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 3:08:27 AM8/27/13
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news:XnsA228A8908...@216.196.121.131...
(not as many as I would
> like, but.....) I don't see too many older shooters giving it up.
>
>>>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and
>>>>>> rising
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what
>>>>> isn't. After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>>>
>>>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>>>
>>> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a
>>> couple of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of
>>> them don't really have much knowledge on what is legal and what
>>> isn't. What may work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is
>>> legal today that they wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that
>>> is already illegal. Most of the problems in the US and the mass
>>> shootings come from two situations. Mental illness and illegal
>>> access to guns.
>>
>> which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to
>> be a good idea
>
> I agree. We need to remove the stigma from mental illness and make it
> easier for those who need help to get it. We also need to stiffen the
> requirement to pass that information on to the NICS background check for
> firearms. That may require some changes to state HIPAA laws.
>
and tougher background checks
surprised if dgu is such a valid reason to own guns that these city folk
aren't arming themselves
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:nMadnT9hPLXtfYbP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> snip
>>
>>>>>>>> but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want
>>>>>> to play my data's better than yours
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow some points:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and
>>>>>> decreasing or increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing
>>>>>> the decrease is more modern
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward
>>>>> guns or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get
>>>>> calls from whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me
>>>>> about my guns, I tell them it is really none of their business.
>>>>> Now, if they wish to personally show up at my door, show a warrant,
>>>>> etc.. I will be more helpful.
>>>>
>>>> I t came from your cite
>>>
>>> I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
>>
>> true so maybe it isn't valid including the gun ownership rates being
>> inflated
>
> What I see is new people coming into shooting
shooting what :-)
> news:nMadnT9hPLXtfYbP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> snip
>>
>>>>>>>> but the % of the population owning guns is dropping
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, it isn't. Here are two Gallup polls:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7jte7ue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7p6s2ry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> intersting,. Ok I'll accecpt that data because I don't really want
>>>>>> to play my data's better than yours
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyhow some points:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Gun ownership is well under 50% of the population and
>>>>>> decreasing or increasing depending on the survey, the 2nd showing
>>>>>> the decrease is more modern
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind the current government is not exactly friendly toward
>>>>> guns or gun owners. That causes a change in mind-set. When I get
>>>>> calls from whoever (pollsters, government, etc..) and they ask me
>>>>> about my guns, I tell them it is really none of their business.
>>>>> Now, if they wish to personally show up at my door, show a warrant,
>>>>> etc.. I will be more helpful.
>>>>
>>>> I t came from your cite
>>>
>>> I know.....I gave a reason for it occurring.
>>
>> true so maybe it isn't valid including the gun ownership rates being
>> inflated
>
> What I see is new people coming into shooting
(not as many as I would
> like, but.....) I don't see too many older shooters giving it up.
>
>>>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and
>>>>>> rising
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what
>>>>> isn't. After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>>>
>>>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>>>
>>> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a
>>> couple of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of
>>> them don't really have much knowledge on what is legal and what
>>> isn't. What may work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is
>>> legal today that they wish were illegal tomorrow, name something that
>>> is already illegal. Most of the problems in the US and the mass
>>> shootings come from two situations. Mental illness and illegal
>>> access to guns.
>>
>> which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to
>> be a good idea
>
> I agree. We need to remove the stigma from mental illness and make it
> easier for those who need help to get it. We also need to stiffen the
> requirement to pass that information on to the NICS background check for
> firearms. That may require some changes to state HIPAA laws.
>
aren't arming themselves
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 4:05:42 AM8/27/13
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news:XnsA228B95E7...@216.196.121.131...
Who still doesn't have your address
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 4:10:43 AM8/27/13
to
snip
,
r u rd thompson ***** 730-0202
,
r u rd thompson ***** 730-0202
Gunner Asch
Aug 27, 2013, 6:32:33 AM8/27/13
to
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:00:56 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:
wrote:
>Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
>squeal like a piggy man.
So are you bringing along your sex toys when you come visit
>squeal like a piggy man.
California? You do know that KY and sheep shears are available
here...right?
Gunner
"In the United States "liberal" means today a set of ideas and political postulates
that in every regard are the opposite of all that liberalism meant to the preceding generations.
The American self-styled liberal aims at government omnipotence, is a resolute foe of free enterprise,
and advocates all-round planning by the authorities, i.e., socialism." -- Ludwig von Mises (1929)
keithr
Aug 27, 2013, 7:37:31 AM8/27/13
to
research on the internets show without a doubt that you are just a sad
loser with a big mouth more to be pitied than to be taken seriously.
Gunner Asch
Aug 27, 2013, 9:17:55 AM8/27/13
to
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:37:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
wrote:
Sucking the piss out of me? A marvelously unique Aussie (and San
Francisco along with West Hollywood) concept. As for feeling sorry
for me....frankly bloke..I feel sorry for you..so the feeling is
mutual eh mate?
So boyo...coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar Grand Reopening? Have
you been designated as First Prize again?
Tsk tsk tsk. I believe that we can do without each others company. I
suspect Id offend you as much as you offend me....lol
That being said..I do know some Basque sheep herders who might turn
their heads for a small bribe. Afterall...its hardly as though you
could actually harm one of their sheep with your antics. They worry
more about coyotes. You DID pass the medical screening, right?
wrote:
Francisco along with West Hollywood) concept. As for feeling sorry
for me....frankly bloke..I feel sorry for you..so the feeling is
mutual eh mate?
So boyo...coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar Grand Reopening? Have
you been designated as First Prize again?
Tsk tsk tsk. I believe that we can do without each others company. I
suspect Id offend you as much as you offend me....lol
That being said..I do know some Basque sheep herders who might turn
their heads for a small bribe. Afterall...its hardly as though you
could actually harm one of their sheep with your antics. They worry
more about coyotes. You DID pass the medical screening, right?
RD Sandman
Aug 27, 2013, 11:56:31 AM8/27/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:u-qdnUEIb8rozYHP...@westnet.com.au:
Targets, game animals, varmints (both two and four legged), occasional
muggers or criminals, and, unfortunately, from time to time, each other.
> (not as many as I would
>> like, but.....) I don't see too many older shooters giving it up.
>>
>>>>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and
>>>>>>> rising
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what
>>>>>> isn't. After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>>>>
>>>>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>>>>
>>>> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a
>>>> couple of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of
>>>> them don't really have much knowledge on what is legal and what
>>>> isn't. What may work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is
>>>> legal today that they wish were illegal tomorrow, name something
>>>> that is already illegal. Most of the problems in the US and the
>>>> mass shootings come from two situations. Mental illness and
>>>> illegal access to guns.
>>>
>>> which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to
>>> be a good idea
>>
>> I agree. We need to remove the stigma from mental illness and make
>> it easier for those who need help to get it. We also need to stiffen
>> the requirement to pass that information on to the NICS background
>> check for firearms. That may require some changes to state HIPAA
>> laws.
>>
>
> and tougher background checks
What do you think is needed to make background checks tougher? What
would you like them to look for that doesn't interfere with honest, law
abiding people exercising their constitutional right?
It is a valid reason to own guns, but when they have not experienced that
stuff first hand, they tend to dismiss it while living in their guarded
communities.
news:u-qdnUEIb8rozYHP...@westnet.com.au:
muggers or criminals, and, unfortunately, from time to time, each other.
> (not as many as I would
>> like, but.....) I don't see too many older shooters giving it up.
>>
>>>>>>> 2) The % of people wanting stricter gun laws is over 50% and
>>>>>>> rising
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most of those people don't know really what is legal and what
>>>>>> isn't. After all, the mass media is not gun friendly either.
>>>>>
>>>>> seems that from your cite the majority want tougher gun laws
>>>>
>>>> As I said, most of them will say that riding on the emotion of a
>>>> couple of mass shootings like Newtown. However, I repeat, most of
>>>> them don't really have much knowledge on what is legal and what
>>>> isn't. What may work and what won't. When I ask what they feel is
>>>> legal today that they wish were illegal tomorrow, name something
>>>> that is already illegal. Most of the problems in the US and the
>>>> mass shootings come from two situations. Mental illness and
>>>> illegal access to guns.
>>>
>>> which is why increased spending on mental health was also thought to
>>> be a good idea
>>
>> I agree. We need to remove the stigma from mental illness and make
>> it easier for those who need help to get it. We also need to stiffen
>> the requirement to pass that information on to the NICS background
>> check for firearms. That may require some changes to state HIPAA
>> laws.
>>
>
> and tougher background checks
would you like them to look for that doesn't interfere with honest, law
abiding people exercising their constitutional right?
stuff first hand, they tend to dismiss it while living in their guarded
communities.
RD Sandman
Aug 27, 2013, 11:57:10 AM8/27/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:frednbSxH9t9wIHP...@westnet.com.au:
You have a phone number.
news:frednbSxH9t9wIHP...@westnet.com.au:
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 5:24:52 PM8/27/13
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news:XnsA2295B171...@216.196.121.131...
Cool and I'll give you a buzz if heading down Az way at the moment I may be
heading down to Caymen for some diving
heading down to Caymen for some diving
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 5:26:46 PM8/27/13
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news:XnsA2295AFAF...@216.196.121.131...
Sorry it was just the way you posted it
I would suggest checks at gun shows would be a start
RD Sandman
Aug 27, 2013, 5:43:25 PM8/27/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:RMadnacgV4QGhIDP...@westnet.com.au:
Dealers (FFLs) already do that. Non dealers don't. There are laws that
a gun cannot be sold to an out of stater but there is no enforcement
ability to do that for non-dealers. The universal background check
requirement that got voted down was to do that.
Now, keep in mind that that background check will not accomplish much.
Straw purchases (where a person who can pass a background check purchases
firearms for other people who can't) are already are against the law.
Read about Fast and Furious.....wait, never mind, that was run by the ATF
and our Justice Department even though it is illegal as hell.
Secondly, look at our mass shootings. Those folk passed a background
check and bought their firearms "legally". Your idea won't accomplish
anything there. Most of the guns in Chicago and Detroit are illegally
possessed by those killing others. Would you expect that to change
because of *another* law making the same thing illegaller?
However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to accomplish
much overall.
>>>> Look at the following:
>>>>
>>>> Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing
>>>> background checks since information that he had been committed for
>>>> observation never made it to NICS.
>>>>
>>>> Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima
>>>> Community College and told he would not be readmitted on campus
>>>> until a mental specialist had certified he was not a danger to
>>>> himself or others. It never happened. Ergo, no information in
>>>> NICS. He passed his background check.
>>>>
>>>> Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a
>>>> psychiatrist. That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed his
>>>> background checks.
>>>>
>>>> Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
>>>> Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed his
>>>> mother and took her guns and car to the school.
>>>>
>>>> Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
>>>> Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
>>>>
>>>> Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally possessed,
>>>> gang warfare over drugs.
The folks committing the homicides above are folks who either passed a
background check at the dealer or who illegally obtained or possessed the
firearms they used in those homicides.
news:RMadnacgV4QGhIDP...@westnet.com.au:
a gun cannot be sold to an out of stater but there is no enforcement
ability to do that for non-dealers. The universal background check
requirement that got voted down was to do that.
Now, keep in mind that that background check will not accomplish much.
Straw purchases (where a person who can pass a background check purchases
firearms for other people who can't) are already are against the law.
Read about Fast and Furious.....wait, never mind, that was run by the ATF
and our Justice Department even though it is illegal as hell.
Secondly, look at our mass shootings. Those folk passed a background
check and bought their firearms "legally". Your idea won't accomplish
anything there. Most of the guns in Chicago and Detroit are illegally
possessed by those killing others. Would you expect that to change
because of *another* law making the same thing illegaller?
However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to accomplish
much overall.
>>>> Look at the following:
>>>>
>>>> Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing
>>>> background checks since information that he had been committed for
>>>> observation never made it to NICS.
>>>>
>>>> Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima
>>>> Community College and told he would not be readmitted on campus
>>>> until a mental specialist had certified he was not a danger to
>>>> himself or others. It never happened. Ergo, no information in
>>>> NICS. He passed his background check.
>>>>
>>>> Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a
>>>> psychiatrist. That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed his
>>>> background checks.
>>>>
>>>> Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
>>>> Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed his
>>>> mother and took her guns and car to the school.
>>>>
>>>> Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
>>>> Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
>>>>
>>>> Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally possessed,
>>>> gang warfare over drugs.
background check at the dealer or who illegally obtained or possessed the
firearms they used in those homicides.
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 6:40:45 PM8/27/13
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news:XnsA22995CB...@216.196.121.131...
sounded like a good idea
>
> Now, keep in mind that that background check will not accomplish much.
> Straw purchases (where a person who can pass a background check purchases
> firearms for other people who can't) are already are against the law.
> Read about Fast and Furious.....wait, never mind, that was run by the ATF
> and our Justice Department even though it is illegal as hell.
>
> Secondly, look at our mass shootings. Those folk passed a background
> check and bought their firearms "legally". Your idea won't accomplish
> anything there. Most of the guns in Chicago and Detroit are illegally
> possessed by those killing others. Would you expect that to change
> because of *another* law making the same thing illegaller?
>
> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to accomplish
> much overall.
As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US is so out
of hand that laws won't help
>
>>>>> Look at the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing
>>>>> background checks since information that he had been committed for
>>>>> observation never made it to NICS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima
>>>>> Community College and told he would not be readmitted on campus
>>>>> until a mental specialist had certified he was not a danger to
>>>>> himself or others. It never happened. Ergo, no information in
>>>>> NICS. He passed his background check.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a
>>>>> psychiatrist. That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed his
>>>>> background checks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
>>>>> Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed his
>>>>> mother and took her guns and car to the school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
>>>>> Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally possessed,
>>>>> gang warfare over drugs.
>
> The folks committing the homicides above are folks who either passed a
> background check at the dealer or who illegally obtained or possessed the
> firearms they used in those homicides.
yep sad
>
> Now, keep in mind that that background check will not accomplish much.
> Straw purchases (where a person who can pass a background check purchases
> firearms for other people who can't) are already are against the law.
> Read about Fast and Furious.....wait, never mind, that was run by the ATF
> and our Justice Department even though it is illegal as hell.
>
> Secondly, look at our mass shootings. Those folk passed a background
> check and bought their firearms "legally". Your idea won't accomplish
> anything there. Most of the guns in Chicago and Detroit are illegally
> possessed by those killing others. Would you expect that to change
> because of *another* law making the same thing illegaller?
>
> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to accomplish
> much overall.
of hand that laws won't help
>
>>>>> Look at the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing
>>>>> background checks since information that he had been committed for
>>>>> observation never made it to NICS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima
>>>>> Community College and told he would not be readmitted on campus
>>>>> until a mental specialist had certified he was not a danger to
>>>>> himself or others. It never happened. Ergo, no information in
>>>>> NICS. He passed his background check.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a
>>>>> psychiatrist. That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed his
>>>>> background checks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
>>>>> Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed his
>>>>> mother and took her guns and car to the school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
>>>>> Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally possessed,
>>>>> gang warfare over drugs.
>
> The folks committing the homicides above are folks who either passed a
> background check at the dealer or who illegally obtained or possessed the
> firearms they used in those homicides.
RD Sandman
Aug 27, 2013, 6:59:13 PM8/27/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:Yc6dncvGAu9vt4DP...@westnet.com.au:
Yes, they will, but not all at once and not at a real rapid rate. Out of
310 million guns out there, I would bet that no more than a million of
them are registered and their whereabouts known. None of mine are and
none will be. Of course, I am not killing anyone with them either.
>>>>>> Look at the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing
>>>>>> background checks since information that he had been committed
>>>>>> for observation never made it to NICS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima
>>>>>> Community College and told he would not be readmitted on campus
>>>>>> until a mental specialist had certified he was not a danger to
>>>>>> himself or others. It never happened. Ergo, no information in
>>>>>> NICS. He passed his background check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a
>>>>>> psychiatrist. That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed
>>>>>> his background checks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
>>>>>> Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed
>>>>>> his mother and took her guns and car to the school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
>>>>>> Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally
>>>>>> possessed, gang warfare over drugs.
>>
>> The folks committing the homicides above are folks who either passed
>> a background check at the dealer or who illegally obtained or
>> possessed the firearms they used in those homicides.
>
> yep sad
Part of the problem is that our right to keep and bear arms is a
constitutional right. Can it be regulated? To some extent, yes, but not
to anywhere near where the antigunners want it. Of course, they could
always amend the Constitution.....the procedure is in Article V.
However, it is not easy to do.....it has only been done 17 times since
1791.
news:Yc6dncvGAu9vt4DP...@westnet.com.au:
310 million guns out there, I would bet that no more than a million of
them are registered and their whereabouts known. None of mine are and
none will be. Of course, I am not killing anyone with them either.
>>>>>> Look at the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Virginia Tech - 32 dead, Cho bought his gun legally, passing
>>>>>> background checks since information that he had been committed
>>>>>> for observation never made it to NICS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tucson - 6 dead, 12 injured, Loughner was expelled from Pima
>>>>>> Community College and told he would not be readmitted on campus
>>>>>> until a mental specialist had certified he was not a danger to
>>>>>> himself or others. It never happened. Ergo, no information in
>>>>>> NICS. He passed his background check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aurora - 12 dead, 70 injured, Holmes was being seen by a
>>>>>> psychiatrist. That information was not in NICS. Holmes passed
>>>>>> his background checks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Newtown - 26 dead, He was apparently autistic and suffering from
>>>>>> Asperger's Syndrome. No background check involved, he killed
>>>>>> his mother and took her guns and car to the school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chicago - 540 homicides last year. Over 200 already this year.
>>>>>> Illegally possessed firearms. Gang warfare over drugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Detroit - Over 200 a year. Most firearms used illegally
>>>>>> possessed, gang warfare over drugs.
>>
>> The folks committing the homicides above are folks who either passed
>> a background check at the dealer or who illegally obtained or
>> possessed the firearms they used in those homicides.
>
> yep sad
constitutional right. Can it be regulated? To some extent, yes, but not
to anywhere near where the antigunners want it. Of course, they could
always amend the Constitution.....the procedure is in Article V.
However, it is not easy to do.....it has only been done 17 times since
1791.
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 7:37:11 PM8/27/13
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snip
>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>> accomplish much overall.
>>
>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US is
>> so out of hand that laws won't help
>
> Yes, they will,
OK make some suggestions
get a High court that interprets it differently
>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>> accomplish much overall.
>>
>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US is
>> so out of hand that laws won't help
>
> Yes, they will,
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 7:40:04 PM8/27/13
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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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sheep and ky jelly is good is it. I "arse'ume you only do rams
RD Sandman
Aug 27, 2013, 8:03:32 PM8/27/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:tfidnexvKrOwpYDP...@westnet.com.au:
> snip
>
>
>>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>>> accomplish much overall.
>>>
>>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US
>>> is so out of hand that laws won't help
>>
>> Yes, they will,
>
> OK make some suggestions
I have several times in here including just a day or so ago. Change the
stigma on mental illness, ensure that HIPAA laws do not interfere with
that information getting into NICS. Make NICS a real and accurate
source. Currently NICS results end up with only a very few sustainable
preventions.
There is a series of results in papers produced each year. I have the
years 2006 to 2011 laid out in a spreadsheet. It doesn't look good for
our government. Too many false starts.
Bottom line is that most of us will support laws that address the problem
directly....those problems are illegal gun possession, mental illness and
lack of enforcement. The problem is doing that without interfering with
the constitutional rights of the law abiding.
Hard to do for a few reasons.
one....the understanding of right to keep and bear arms has been held by
most people and most courts to be what the Supreme Court ruled it was in
Heller.
two....The whole impetus behind the anti gun group is like the ban on
alcohol....it was a few folks who got the Court behind them for awhile
and they passed the 18th amendment. Wasn't too long before the 21st
amendment repealed it.
three..RKBA (right to keep and bear arms) has been considered by most
historians to have always been a separate subject from militia service.
Four...the actual reading of the Second Amendment is that it is
addressing the state militias and forbids the federal government from
removing RKBA from state citizens so that the states can keep their
soveriegnty by being able to raise their own militias. If you read state
statutes you will see that is true to this day.
Five...the national militia is armed via Article I, section 8 clause 16.
Stare decisis.
I believe that it would take a rewrite of the Second Amendment and
getting it passed and incorporated. That is the process in Article V.
news:tfidnexvKrOwpYDP...@westnet.com.au:
> snip
>
>
>>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>>> accomplish much overall.
>>>
>>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US
>>> is so out of hand that laws won't help
>>
>> Yes, they will,
>
> OK make some suggestions
stigma on mental illness, ensure that HIPAA laws do not interfere with
that information getting into NICS. Make NICS a real and accurate
source. Currently NICS results end up with only a very few sustainable
preventions.
There is a series of results in papers produced each year. I have the
years 2006 to 2011 laid out in a spreadsheet. It doesn't look good for
our government. Too many false starts.
Bottom line is that most of us will support laws that address the problem
directly....those problems are illegal gun possession, mental illness and
lack of enforcement. The problem is doing that without interfering with
the constitutional rights of the law abiding.
one....the understanding of right to keep and bear arms has been held by
most people and most courts to be what the Supreme Court ruled it was in
Heller.
two....The whole impetus behind the anti gun group is like the ban on
alcohol....it was a few folks who got the Court behind them for awhile
and they passed the 18th amendment. Wasn't too long before the 21st
amendment repealed it.
three..RKBA (right to keep and bear arms) has been considered by most
historians to have always been a separate subject from militia service.
Four...the actual reading of the Second Amendment is that it is
addressing the state militias and forbids the federal government from
removing RKBA from state citizens so that the states can keep their
soveriegnty by being able to raise their own militias. If you read state
statutes you will see that is true to this day.
Five...the national militia is armed via Article I, section 8 clause 16.
Stare decisis.
I believe that it would take a rewrite of the Second Amendment and
getting it passed and incorporated. That is the process in Article V.
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 8:14:38 PM8/27/13
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news:XnsA229AD8DC...@216.196.121.131...
>
> There is a series of results in papers produced each year. I have the
> years 2006 to 2011 laid out in a spreadsheet. It doesn't look good for
> our government. Too many false starts.
Ah goverement, they do their best but .......
>
> Bottom line is that most of us will support laws that address the problem
> directly....those problems are illegal gun possession, mental illness and
> lack of enforcement. The problem is doing that without interfering with
> the constitutional rights of the law abiding.
fair enough
good argument, you may well be right. But till than you will have the
consequences
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:tfidnexvKrOwpYDP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>>>> accomplish much overall.
>>>>
>>>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US
>>>> is so out of hand that laws won't help
>>>
>>> Yes, they will,
>>
>> OK make some suggestions
>
> I have several times in here including just a day or so ago. Change the
> stigma on mental illness, ensure that HIPAA laws do not interfere with
> that information getting into NICS. Make NICS a real and accurate
> source. Currently NICS results end up with only a very few sustainable
> preventions.
Totally agree but without background checks every time this is useless
> news:tfidnexvKrOwpYDP...@westnet.com.au:
>
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>>>> accomplish much overall.
>>>>
>>>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US
>>>> is so out of hand that laws won't help
>>>
>>> Yes, they will,
>>
>> OK make some suggestions
>
> I have several times in here including just a day or so ago. Change the
> stigma on mental illness, ensure that HIPAA laws do not interfere with
> that information getting into NICS. Make NICS a real and accurate
> source. Currently NICS results end up with only a very few sustainable
> preventions.
>
> There is a series of results in papers produced each year. I have the
> years 2006 to 2011 laid out in a spreadsheet. It doesn't look good for
> our government. Too many false starts.
>
> Bottom line is that most of us will support laws that address the problem
> directly....those problems are illegal gun possession, mental illness and
> lack of enforcement. The problem is doing that without interfering with
> the constitutional rights of the law abiding.
consequences
RD Sandman
Aug 27, 2013, 8:30:58 PM8/27/13
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"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:YaednaTglPJp3YDP...@westnet.com.au:
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA229AD8DC...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:tfidnexvKrOwpYDP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>>>>> accomplish much overall.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US
>>>>> is so out of hand that laws won't help
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they will,
>>>
>>> OK make some suggestions
>>
>> I have several times in here including just a day or so ago. Change
>> the stigma on mental illness, ensure that HIPAA laws do not interfere
>> with that information getting into NICS. Make NICS a real and
>> accurate source. Currently NICS results end up with only a very few
>> sustainable preventions.
>
> Totally agree but without background checks every time this is useless
Even with background checks the numbers suck Figure this:
2006 - 8,209,900 applications 124,739 denials 273 referred to prosecution
2007 - 8,159,098 applications 123,269 denials 196 referred to prosecution
2008 - 5,813,249 applications 78,906 denials 147 referred to prosecution
2009 - 6,083,428 applications 71,010 denials 140 referred to prosecution
2010 - 6,037,394 applications 76,142 denials 62 referred to prosecution
Total number of guilty verdicts - 209 - 2006-2010
Not a very good success rate. BTW, if you wish to search out those
reports, the name is Enforcement of the Brady Act and the year.
>> There is a series of results in papers produced each year. I have
>> the years 2006 to 2011 laid out in a spreadsheet. It doesn't look
>> good for our government. Too many false starts.
That should have read 2006 to 2010. I believe that 2011 is finally out
so I can search for it and add it to my spreadsheet, but that is another
day.
Yep, but the resistance to that is .......rather.....strong. ;)
news:YaednaTglPJp3YDP...@westnet.com.au:
>
> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:XnsA229AD8DC...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:tfidnexvKrOwpYDP...@westnet.com.au:
>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> However, your idea would be a start, just don't expect it to
>>>>>> accomplish much overall.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I have stated many times previously the gun situation in the US
>>>>> is so out of hand that laws won't help
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they will,
>>>
>>> OK make some suggestions
>>
>> I have several times in here including just a day or so ago. Change
>> the stigma on mental illness, ensure that HIPAA laws do not interfere
>> with that information getting into NICS. Make NICS a real and
>> accurate source. Currently NICS results end up with only a very few
>> sustainable preventions.
>
> Totally agree but without background checks every time this is useless
2006 - 8,209,900 applications 124,739 denials 273 referred to prosecution
2007 - 8,159,098 applications 123,269 denials 196 referred to prosecution
2008 - 5,813,249 applications 78,906 denials 147 referred to prosecution
2009 - 6,083,428 applications 71,010 denials 140 referred to prosecution
2010 - 6,037,394 applications 76,142 denials 62 referred to prosecution
Total number of guilty verdicts - 209 - 2006-2010
Not a very good success rate. BTW, if you wish to search out those
reports, the name is Enforcement of the Brady Act and the year.
>> There is a series of results in papers produced each year. I have
>> the years 2006 to 2011 laid out in a spreadsheet. It doesn't look
>> good for our government. Too many false starts.
so I can search for it and add it to my spreadsheet, but that is another
day.
Dechucka
Aug 27, 2013, 9:46:40 PM8/27/13
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agree with what you say
Stormin Mormon
Aug 28, 2013, 11:44:10 PM8/28/13
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Did you offer to send about $56,000 in travel
expenses? Perhaps you can meet in a USA
location?
.
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Learn about Jesus
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expenses? Perhaps you can meet in a USA
location?
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
keithr0
Aug 30, 2013, 1:58:54 AM8/30/13
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On 27/08/2013 11:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:37:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2013 8:32 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:00:56 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
>>>> squeal like a piggy man.
>>>
>>> So are you bringing along your sex toys when you come visit
>>> California? You do know that KY and sheep shears are available
>>> here...right?
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>> "In the United States "liberal" means today a set of ideas and political postulates
>>> that in every regard are the opposite of all that liberalism meant to the preceding generations.
>>> The American self-styled liberal aims at government omnipotence, is a resolute foe of free enterprise,
>>> and advocates all-round planning by the authorities, i.e., socialism." -- Ludwig von Mises (1929)
>>>
>>
>> Actually I feel bad about taking the piss out of you, a few minutes
>> research on the internets show without a doubt that you are just a sad
>> loser with a big mouth more to be pitied than to be taken seriously.
>
> Sucking the piss out of me? A marvelously unique Aussie (and San
> Francisco along with West Hollywood) concept. As for feeling sorry
> for me....frankly bloke..I feel sorry for you..so the feeling is
> mutual eh mate?
>
Feel free to be sorry for me, I'm just on a 5 week overseas holiday
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 21:37:31 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/08/2013 8:32 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 10:00:56 +1000, keithr <us...@domain.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry to characterise you as a sheep shagger, obviously you're more of a
>>>> squeal like a piggy man.
>>>
>>> So are you bringing along your sex toys when you come visit
>>> California? You do know that KY and sheep shears are available
>>> here...right?
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>> "In the United States "liberal" means today a set of ideas and political postulates
>>> that in every regard are the opposite of all that liberalism meant to the preceding generations.
>>> The American self-styled liberal aims at government omnipotence, is a resolute foe of free enterprise,
>>> and advocates all-round planning by the authorities, i.e., socialism." -- Ludwig von Mises (1929)
>>>
>>
>> Actually I feel bad about taking the piss out of you, a few minutes
>> research on the internets show without a doubt that you are just a sad
>> loser with a big mouth more to be pitied than to be taken seriously.
>
> Sucking the piss out of me? A marvelously unique Aussie (and San
> Francisco along with West Hollywood) concept. As for feeling sorry
> for me....frankly bloke..I feel sorry for you..so the feeling is
> mutual eh mate?
>
while you're unemployed and living in that California slum. You sure
have a lot to be proud of boy, I mean that you are worth a whole $60k,
haven't bothered to pay your taxes for years and are sponging on the
state to pay the medical bills brought on by your slovenly lifestyle.
>
> So boyo...coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar Grand Reopening? Have
> you been designated as First Prize again?
>
> Tsk tsk tsk. I believe that we can do without each others company. I
> suspect Id offend you as much as you offend me....lol
You don't offend me boy, you're just a big mouth with nothing to back it
> So boyo...coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar Grand Reopening? Have
> you been designated as First Prize again?
>
> Tsk tsk tsk. I believe that we can do without each others company. I
> suspect Id offend you as much as you offend me....lol
up. It may be that the only point of your useless life to to act as an
awful example to others.
>
> That being said..I do know some Basque sheep herders who might turn
> their heads for a small bribe. Afterall...its hardly as though you
> could actually harm one of their sheep with your antics. They worry
> more about coyotes. You DID pass the medical screening, right?
Words are all you got boy, who are you sponging the dial up connection from?
> That being said..I do know some Basque sheep herders who might turn
> their heads for a small bribe. Afterall...its hardly as though you
> could actually harm one of their sheep with your antics. They worry
> more about coyotes. You DID pass the medical screening, right?
Horst Hagelsturm
Aug 30, 2013, 2:03:35 AM8/30/13
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whoyakidding's ghost
Aug 30, 2013, 10:29:31 AM8/30/13
to
the cost of scrapping the worthless bulk of it. If he could net $30k,
it wouldn't go far to paying off tens of thousands in liens and back
taxes, and hundreds of thousands in medical bills. Any 12 year old who
has a part time job babysitting or delivering newspapers has a higher
net worth and better prospects than Gunner. His future is already
written: run up more medical bills he can't and won't even try to pay,
and then croak, leaving his family members a big mess to clean up.
Most likely they'll grab anything of value and simply walk away from
the trash pile. That liability, the kid and grandkids on the dole, and
the Usenet posts, will be Gunner's legacy.
Gunner Asch
Aug 31, 2013, 7:14:47 AM8/31/13
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On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:58:54 +1000, keithr0 <us...@account.invalid>
wrote:
>>
>> Sucking the piss out of me? A marvelously unique Aussie (and San
>> Francisco along with West Hollywood) concept. As for feeling sorry
>> for me....frankly bloke..I feel sorry for you..so the feeling is
>> mutual eh mate?
>>
>Feel free to be sorry for me, I'm just on a 5 week overseas holiday
>while you're unemployed and living in that California slum. You sure
>have a lot to be proud of boy, I mean that you are worth a whole $60k,
>haven't bothered to pay your taxes for years and are sponging on the
>state to pay the medical bills brought on by your slovenly lifestyle.
Unemployed? California slum? Odd that you are so ignorant and
stupid..well...hardly. You are one of those permanently drunken
Aussies. Did you bring your wife? Can I borrow her for a day? Or are
you simply gay and coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar as I indicated
below?
>>
>> So boyo...coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar Grand Reopening? Have
>> you been designated as First Prize again?
>>
>> Tsk tsk tsk. I believe that we can do without each others company. I
>> suspect Id offend you as much as you offend me....lol
>
>You don't offend me boy, you're just a big mouth with nothing to back it
>up. It may be that the only point of your useless life to to act as an
>awful example to others.
<VBG>
Best you can do?
Which reminds me...my cable connection just increased speed...and Im
not..not going to tell Time Warner about it.
wrote:
>>
>> Sucking the piss out of me? A marvelously unique Aussie (and San
>> Francisco along with West Hollywood) concept. As for feeling sorry
>> for me....frankly bloke..I feel sorry for you..so the feeling is
>> mutual eh mate?
>>
>Feel free to be sorry for me, I'm just on a 5 week overseas holiday
>while you're unemployed and living in that California slum. You sure
>have a lot to be proud of boy, I mean that you are worth a whole $60k,
>haven't bothered to pay your taxes for years and are sponging on the
>state to pay the medical bills brought on by your slovenly lifestyle.
stupid..well...hardly. You are one of those permanently drunken
Aussies. Did you bring your wife? Can I borrow her for a day? Or are
you simply gay and coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar as I indicated
below?
>>
>> So boyo...coming over for the Blue Oyster Bar Grand Reopening? Have
>> you been designated as First Prize again?
>>
>> Tsk tsk tsk. I believe that we can do without each others company. I
>> suspect Id offend you as much as you offend me....lol
>
>You don't offend me boy, you're just a big mouth with nothing to back it
>up. It may be that the only point of your useless life to to act as an
>awful example to others.
>>
>> That being said..I do know some Basque sheep herders who might turn
>> their heads for a small bribe. Afterall...its hardly as though you
>> could actually harm one of their sheep with your antics. They worry
>> more about coyotes. You DID pass the medical screening, right?
>
>Words are all you got boy, who are you sponging the dial up connection from?
<VBG>
>> That being said..I do know some Basque sheep herders who might turn
>> their heads for a small bribe. Afterall...its hardly as though you
>> could actually harm one of their sheep with your antics. They worry
>> more about coyotes. You DID pass the medical screening, right?
>
>Words are all you got boy, who are you sponging the dial up connection from?
Best you can do?
Which reminds me...my cable connection just increased speed...and Im
not..not going to tell Time Warner about it.
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