Maybe 'whoyakidding' is paid by the word.

Else 'whoyakidding' obviously has nothing better to do.

>
> Because (insert GMs dick in Kidding's mouth here), GM et al didn't think of
> it, therefore it cain't be true.
>

> -- EA "whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:n233t81ojov3adlk2...@4ax.com...
>> >Mark R. Wieber (a.k.a. Gunner) Cliff Notes Version 11
>> >
>> >Version 11 celebrates the 6 month anniversary of the end of The Great
>> >Cull of 2012, and includes additional examples of physical and sexual
>> >prowess, truth telling and degree claims, and dunce history-student
>> >hilarity.

Jul 2, 2013, 10:17:41 AM7/2/13

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On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:08:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>

>Goodgawd, and YOU call people crackpots, losers, liars, and whiners....
>holyfuknshit.....

Only when the shoe fits. You're responding to a post that's almost
entirely Gunner's own words, which he pretends are his
"accomplishments," and says he likes seeing reposted! Since you're the
only one who's concerned, why don't you dispute some of it and help
the poor guy out? arf arf You should apologize to any newbs who
might get the wrong impression about the Great Gunner from his own
words. And you should apologize to Gunner on behalf of anyone who
doesn't take kindly to being told that Gunner's having them killed.
What a bastard I am for giving him a taste of own medicine, eh?

>The testimony to your success: Simpleton Plimpleton is yer only fanboi.

LOL Can't believe you went there. You actually WORK to get the
idiotic rhetorical support of Gunner and Bonkers!

>You have not come up with one correct or creative idea yet

OK, here's my correct and creative idea in the same vein as yours. A
house that weighs 2000 pounds and costs $20k and does 99% of what a
$300k house can do. It's so easy to build that Gunner could do it,
therefore the construction industry is anally penetrating regular home
buyers. Yeah, that's the ticket.

>, but you waste zero time lambasting the ideas of others.

Huh? Sounds like you need a nap.

>Why?
>Because (insert GMs dick in Kidding's mouth here), GM et al didn't think of
>it, therefore it cain't be true.

Suggestion for you: email Ed and ask him to honestly tell you how much
your numbers have convinced him how terrible it was of me to buy a
slightly higher than average price car. Prediction: you are not going
to like his answer.

Hey, did you notice that Gunner is reading the Cliff Notes updates?
Hilarious. And he says that "if" 10 million miles in 30 years really
is over 900 miles per day, then he was "mistaken" to have pulled that
number out of his ass. Now he says it was ONLY 365 miles per day!
Weird that a mensa/not mensa member can't use a calculator, and like
you, believes that readers are too stupid to figure it out. The new
number has the same value and stink as the old, same as his IQ claims,
and also the same as your 2000, 20k, 50k, 75, 99, and 2 billion
numbers. You two really should get together. I can imagine the deep
conversation:

"Do you know where whoyakidding is?"
"No, I was hoping you knew."
"Let's make killing noises and talk about all the ways we want to
dismember him."
"Oh yeah baby, need to get some ROI from the cost of my bus ticket."

LOL

whoyakidding's ghost

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On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 16:18:04 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>a pretty good listing of my accomplishments

Since you and I have the same goal of making newbs aware of your
"accomplishments," you should add the Wieber Cliff Notes to your sig.
Here's the link.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/T0BKEovPmIA/D02ZZ_92h8kJ

>Though I do see one thing in there that I was wrong about. The 10
>million miles thingy. After pondering it..Im going to have to change
>that to 4 million miles, if the math does come out to 900 something
>per day for 30 yrs. I dont drive that much anymore..so Im gladly
>retracting the 10 million miles down to 4 million.

Great move, 365 miles per day for 30 years should cure the
believability issue. It's fortunate that your 165 IQ gives you the
ability to deal with these numbers, and to understand readers'
perceptions so well.

Horst Hagelsturm

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Jul 2, 2013, 1:40:23 PM7/2/13

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On 7/1/2013 4:18 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:08:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> Though I do see one thing in there that I was wrong about. The 10
> million miles thingy. After pondering it..Im going to have to change
> that to 4 million miles, if the math does come out to 900 something
> per day for 30 yrs. I dont drive that much anymore..so Im gladly
> retracting the 10 million miles down to 4 million.

365 miles a day at an unrealistic average speed of 70 mph is over five
hours a day spent driving a vehicle, every day for 30 years. If you
worked six days a week every week for 30 years and drove 4,000,000
miles, that would be 513 miles a day, which at an unrealistic average
speed of 70 mph would be 7.3 hours driving every day.

You didn't do that and also do whatever shitty low-skill "work" you
claim to do. Your numbers are bullshit, as they always are.

Spamßuster

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Jul 2, 2013, 2:10:00 PM7/2/13

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Jul 2, 2013, 3:28:29 PM7/2/13

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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 06:55:48 -0700, Horst Hagelsturm

<kick.d...@stupid.taft.fuckstains.com> wrote:

>On 7/1/2013 11:50 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 22:55:44 -0700, Horst Hagelsturm
>> <kick.d...@stupid.taft.fuckstains.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/1/2013 4:18 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:08:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Goodgawd, and YOU call people crackpots, losers, liars, and whiners....
>>>>> holyfuknshit.....
>>>>> The testimony to your success: Simpleton Plimpleton is yer only fanboi.
>>>>> You have not come up with one correct or creative idea yet, but you waste
>>>>> zero time lambasting the ideas of others.
>>>>> Why?
>>>>> Because (insert GMs dick in Kidding's mouth here), GM et al didn't think of
>>>>> it, therefore it cain't be true.
>>>>
>>>> Actually its good to know Ive got fans!
>>>
>>> You don't.
>>
>> Sure I do,
>
>You don't.

Of course I do! Every post you make to me is simply fan mail!

>
>
>>>
>>>> Though I do see one thing in there that I was wrong about.
>>>
>>> You lied about almost all of it.
>>
>> Almost?
>
>Yes, a couple of things you were just wrong without lying.

Cites?

<VBG>

Gunner Asch

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Jul 2, 2013, 3:29:22 PM7/2/13

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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 06:55:48 -0700, Horst Hagelsturm

Cites? Other than the mileage thingy of course..which I certainly
admitted being wrong about.

<VBG>

My fan club!!

Gunner Asch

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Jul 2, 2013, 3:30:40 PM7/2/13

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Since Ive been driving for nearly 50 yrs....you need to work on your
math again <G>

Horst Hagelsturm

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Jul 2, 2013, 3:32:13 PM7/2/13

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Your "numbers" have all been demonstrated to be impossible.

As for your non-numerical claims, such as having served in combat in
Vietnam or been a mercenary in Zimbabwe, you are the one who is obliged
by standard rules of evidence to support your claims. Because you have
a well-deserved reputation as an extravagant liar, no one believes you.

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Jul 2, 2013, 4:46:48 PM7/2/13

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"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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I see.... once again, it's all about Kidding.
Do you really think me'n'Ed would waste a photon of screen glare, worrying
about what fukn car YOU would/should buy??
Unbeknownst to your self-obsessed dumbass, the conversation was about
practical engineering and the marketplace.
Yeah, I know, waaaay over yer head.... again.....

>
> Hey, did you notice that Gunner is reading the Cliff Notes updates?
> Hilarious. And he says that "if" 10 million miles in 30 years really
> is over 900 miles per day, then he was "mistaken" to have pulled that
> number out of his ass. Now he says it was ONLY 365 miles per day!
> Weird that a mensa/not mensa member can't use a calculator, and like
> you, believes that readers are too stupid to figure it out. The new
> number has the same value and stink as the old, same as his IQ claims,
> and also the same as your 2000, 20k, 50k, 75, 99, and 2 billion
> numbers. You two really should get together. I can imagine the deep
> conversation:
>
> "Do you know where whoyakidding is?"
> "No, I was hoping you knew."
> "Let's make killing noises and talk about all the ways we want to
> dismember him."
> "Oh yeah baby, need to get some ROI from the cost of my bus ticket."
>
> LOL

<yawn> <stretch> <scratch my balls> <ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz>

OH SHIT!!!! Is it over??? Holy shit, let me try to get thru it
again..... wait just a minute.....
.
<speed reading bullshit, looking for a scintilla of logic> <Oooops> <None>
..
.
OK, ahm done.....
Holy shit, Kidding, you really missed your calling as a door-to-door
salesman/huckster or, better yet, traveling preacher.
Those muthafuckas NEVER let facts, logic, ackeracy, morals, ethics,
maturity.... or anything else.... get in their way!!

Evangelists are saving D'World from dee Debbil, and YOU are saving UseNet
from...... Gummer!!!
What a great man you are!!!!!
Without understanding a fukn thing about ROI, or your own evangelist
car..... or.... well.... anything else!!!!
GOOD FOR YOU, Bucky!!!!
--
EA

Michael A. Terrell

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Jul 2, 2013, 5:45:26 PM7/2/13

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Gunner Asch wrote:

>
> Horst Hagelsturm wrote:
> >
> >You don't.
>
> Of course I do! Every post you make to me is simply fan mail!

From a three week dead flounder...

Gunner Asch

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Jul 2, 2013, 6:45:16 PM7/2/13

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:46:48 -0400, "Existential Angst"

Got to give him a big A+ for effort though.

A strong D- for accuracy..but thats to be expected from the mentally
ill.

Shrug

He isnt going to die very well. I hope the people who murder him send
me a video and not just a face shot of his ravaged dead mug. Seeing
him actually getting "justice" would really make my day.

<VBG>

And probably the "day" of a lot of other people here too.

Gunner Asch

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Jul 2, 2013, 6:45:17 PM7/2/13

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Someone has to be the lightning rod that takes the hits from the nutz.

I actually enjoy it.

It shows me that Im getting deeply under their skin and twisting up
their guts in nice tight knots.

<VBG>

What better proof can one have that one is making the Leftwingers even
more crazed than they normally are?

Ed Huntress

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Jul 2, 2013, 7:04:47 PM7/2/13

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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 15:45:16 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Gunner, you're your own worst enemy. His quotes are 100% accurate,
with links, and everybody here knows it. Who do you think you're
fooling?

You really should learn when to keep your mouth shut. You just look
like a complete asshole when you diddle around like that. If you can't
stop with your phony stories, at least let it go and don't pretend
that you didn't say those things. It's documented for eternity.

--
Ed Huntress

Existential Angst

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Jul 2, 2013, 7:14:26 PM7/2/13

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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Thank GAWD KiddingHisSelf is saving all of us from Gummer, eh??
Just WHAT WOULD WE DO without the Kidding/Gummer Chronicles??

I sure as shit hope no one offs Kidding.... Why, I just wouldn't feel SAFE
anymore, on UseNet....
Or even in myown house!!!

I think we should take up a collection for Kidding, just to show him our
gratitude for his selfless work....
Hmmmm..... lessee....
Oh, here's a 1c zinc penny that my new bird (Woodstock, of course) crapped
on.... Where should I send it???
--
EA

>
> --
> Ed Huntress

whoyakidding's ghost

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Jul 2, 2013, 7:50:53 PM7/2/13

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Thanks. Fortunately it only takes a fraction of the time you waste on
your juvenile flames. Holy crap, did I just read a post from you that
didn't mention anal penetration? <tears up> You kids grow up so slow
these days.

Ed Huntress

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:14:26 -0400, "Existential Angst"

EA, you can ignore it; you can put lipstick on it if you want; you may
even tolerate guys who fart in your car with the heater on. But
nothing you can say or do changes the fact that Gunner is a bag of
wind and completely full of shit.

Some of us find that to be kind of trashy behavior. I do.

--
Ed Huntress

Gunner Asch

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Jul 2, 2013, 9:24:29 PM7/2/13

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Of course they are semi-accurate quotes. The problem with you 2
bozos..is proving that they are falsehoods. Shrug...and neither of
you can do so.

>>
>> You really should learn when to keep your mouth shut. You just look
>> like a complete asshole when you diddle around like that. If you can't
>> stop with your phony stories, at least let it go and don't pretend
>> that you didn't say those things. It's documented for eternity.

So when are you going to prove that they are phoney stories? I/We
have been waiting years for that proof to show up. And still nothing.

Why is that? Is it because you are somehow unable to prove that they
are lies? Well whodathunkit? (to quote EA). Perhaps then they are
not lies? From my point of view..it looks greatly like a circle jerk
of two swishes in tutus dancing around a big fucking granite rock
with a lable on one side saying "100% pure Granite" and both of you
two fags trying to claim its lime jello and is mismarked.

That really appears to be the work of a couple of mental cases trying
to jolly each other in some sort of mating ritual before you two go
and bugger each other in the ass, then switching positions suck the
shit off each others respective dicks in harmony.

Thats rather gross and sick actually. No wonder normal people have you
two kill filed. No wonder you are both on the List.

>
>Thank GAWD KiddingHisSelf is saving all of us from Gummer, eh??
>Just WHAT WOULD WE DO without the Kidding/Gummer Chronicles??
>
>I sure as shit hope no one offs Kidding.... Why, I just wouldn't feel SAFE
>anymore, on UseNet....
>Or even in myown house!!!
>
>I think we should take up a collection for Kidding, just to show him our
>gratitude for his selfless work....
>Hmmmm..... lessee....
>Oh, here's a 1c zinc penny that my new bird (Woodstock, of course) crapped
>on.... Where should I send it???

That address(s) would be a very good thing to have. <VBG>

Think of it as someone taking out the trash.

<VBG>

Existential Angst

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Jul 2, 2013, 9:31:01 PM7/2/13

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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message

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Dats OK, you apparently are not alone.
But only one of Gummer's legion of fans sees fit -- nay, compelled -- to
then not only make a witchhunt out of what is essentially innocuous banter,
but to make it his life's work.
A pathetic life's work from, well, a pathetic bitchy boys-in-the-band
sociopath. And *himself* a proven liar, in virtually every one of his
paraphrasings of Moi -- just so he can appear to win.

As much as you disapprove of gummer, Kidding's antics are, in many senses,
worse.
You get all bent out of shape over gummer's culling..... PLease, dat stuff
should go in one ear and out the other.
Never mind that a cull is necessary.... LOL

The Q is: How to execute it.... heh, no pun intended.
We each no doubt would have our own fav strategies and starting points.
LOL
Kidding -- and his status quo cocksucking ilk -- would be a good start
tho....

But no matter, no biggie, we will never have the luxury of choosing our
culling.... Dat will be a Bilderberg decision.....
And if the Bilderbergs have anything to do with it -- and they will --
Gummer will be culled waaaay before Kidding and his ilk.
Altho culling the Gummers will be noisier, cuz, well, the Gummers have more
guns than the Kidding's.
--
EA

George Plimpton

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Jul 2, 2013, 9:44:25 PM7/2/13

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He doesn't pretend to be "saving" us from anything, Ms. Histrionic.

Horst Hagelsturm

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Jul 2, 2013, 9:47:24 PM7/2/13

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They're verbatim quotes - 100% accurate.

> The problem with you 2 bozos..is proving that they are falsehoods.

They're falsehoods - proved beyond rational dispute.

>>>
>>> You really should learn when to keep your mouth shut. You just look
>>> like a complete asshole when you diddle around like that. If you can't
>>> stop with your phony stories, at least let it go and don't pretend
>>> that you didn't say those things. It's documented for eternity.
>
> So when are you going to prove that they are phoney stories?

When are you going to offer any evidence to support any of them?

Answer: never. You couldn't produce any evidence to support any of
them if your life depended on it.

>> Thank GAWD KiddingHisSelf is saving all of us from Gummer, eh??
>> Just WHAT WOULD WE DO without the Kidding/Gummer Chronicles??
>>
>> I sure as shit hope no one offs Kidding.... Why, I just wouldn't feel SAFE
>> anymore, on UseNet....
>> Or even in myown house!!!
>>
>> I think we should take up a collection for Kidding, just to show him our
>> gratitude for his selfless work....
>> Hmmmm..... lessee....
>> Oh, here's a 1c zinc penny that my new bird (Woodstock, of course) crapped
>> on.... Where should I send it???
>
> That address(s) would be a very good thing to have. <VBG>

You wouldn't do anything with it if you had it. No one you know would
do anything with it, either.

George Plimpton

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Jul 2, 2013, 9:52:25 PM7/2/13

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Fuck off, you pathetic liar. Kidding - your Usenet superior in every
way, and probably your superior in everything else that counts - is
merely having some worthwhile fun.

Here's what cracks me up: he spends *far* less time doing this, yet
does a *far* better job in his posts, than you do. In your pathetic
spat with him, he is like J.R. Ewing and you are like Cliff Barnes: you
always come out the worse.

Ed Huntress

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Jul 2, 2013, 9:59:42 PM7/2/13

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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 18:24:29 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

I don't have to prove anything, Gunner. Like most people here, I
recognize a bullshitter when I see one. You've been doing it for so
many years, with your multiple world speed records, your impossible
physical claims, your astronomical IQ and so on, and they're so
obviously self-serving crap that anyone over five years old would
recognize, that proving it is all in your lap.

You know it, I know it, and everyone with a brain knows it.

>>>
>>> You really should learn when to keep your mouth shut. You just look
>>> like a complete asshole when you diddle around like that. If you can't
>>> stop with your phony stories, at least let it go and don't pretend
>>> that you didn't say those things. It's documented for eternity.
>
>So when are you going to prove that they are phoney stories? I/We
>have been waiting years for that proof to show up. And still nothing.

I don't have to.

>
>Why is that? Is it because you are somehow unable to prove that they
>are lies? Well whodathunkit? (to quote EA). Perhaps then they are
>not lies?

No chance.

>From my point of view..it looks greatly like a circle jerk
>of two swishes in tutus dancing around a big fucking granite rock
>with a lable on one side saying "100% pure Granite" and both of you
>two fags trying to claim its lime jello and is mismarked.

No it doesn't. To you, it looks like you're being cornered from all
sides, and you have nothing to fall back on except your homoerotic
insults, empty boasts, and other desperate white-trash maneuvers. As
many people have said, you aren't fooling anyone.

>
>That really appears to be the work of a couple of mental cases trying
>to jolly each other in some sort of mating ritual before you two go
>and bugger each other in the ass, then switching positions suck the
>shit off each others respective dicks in harmony.

See above. You're cornered in your last refuge, a sputtering phony and
a reckless, insulting bully, and you know it.

>
>Thats rather gross and sick actually. No wonder normal people have you
>two kill filed. No wonder you are both on the List.

Jesus, you're going to run out of oxygen at this rate.

>>
>>Thank GAWD KiddingHisSelf is saving all of us from Gummer, eh??
>>Just WHAT WOULD WE DO without the Kidding/Gummer Chronicles??
>>
>>I sure as shit hope no one offs Kidding.... Why, I just wouldn't feel SAFE
>>anymore, on UseNet....
>>Or even in myown house!!!
>>
>>I think we should take up a collection for Kidding, just to show him our
>>gratitude for his selfless work....
>>Hmmmm..... lessee....
>>Oh, here's a 1c zinc penny that my new bird (Woodstock, of course) crapped
>>on.... Where should I send it???
>
>That address(s) would be a very good thing to have. <VBG>
>
>Think of it as someone taking out the trash.

You aren't too late. Jump in!

--
Ed Huntress

Horst Hagelsturm

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Jul 2, 2013, 10:59:21 PM7/2/13

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No one has to "prove" that he doesn't believe gummer, or that he finds
every extravagant claim gummer makes to be implausible bullshit.

gummer doesn't seem to understand that the burden of proof is on him to
prove his claims, not on anyone to disprove them.

I believe gummer never rode a motorcycle at 264 mph. If he wishes to
prove that he did, he is free to offer some supporting evidence. I
believe that *no one* believes he rode a motorcycle that fast. When I
say "*no one*", that includes all those assholes who agree with gummer
on matters of right-wing proto-fascist ideology.

> You've been doing it for so
> many years, with your multiple world speed records, your impossible
> physical claims, your astronomical IQ and so on, and they're so
> obviously self-serving crap that anyone over five years old would
> recognize, that proving it is all in your lap.
>
> You know it, I know it, and everyone with a brain knows it.

I do not believe gummer did any of the wildly boastful things he claims
to have done. I further believe that no one else believes he did any of
them, either.

>>>> You really should learn when to keep your mouth shut. You just look
>>>> like a complete asshole when you diddle around like that. If you can't
>>>> stop with your phony stories, at least let it go and don't pretend
>>>> that you didn't say those things. It's documented for eternity.
>>
>> So when are you going to prove that they are phoney stories? I/We
>> have been waiting years for that proof to show up. And still nothing.
>
> I don't have to.

Exactly. Some of them are "phoney" [sic] because they're impossible.
Others are "phoney" [sic] because 1) they're extremely improbable for
anyone; 2) they're even *more* improbable for gummer; and 3) gummer has
offered no evidence to support them.

When gummer tells one of these extravagant bullshit stories, the default
presumption is that they're bullshit.

>>
>> Why is that? Is it because you are somehow unable to prove that they
>> are lies? Well whodathunkit? (to quote EA). Perhaps then they are
>> not lies?
>
> No chance.

They are lies. There is no chance they are not lies.

>> From my point of view..it looks greatly like a circle jerk
>> of two swishes in tutus dancing around a big fucking granite rock
>> with a lable on one side saying "100% pure Granite" and both of you
>> two fags trying to claim its lime jello and is mismarked.
>
> No it doesn't. To you, it looks like you're being cornered from all
> sides, and you have nothing to fall back on except your homoerotic
> insults, empty boasts, and other desperate white-trash maneuvers. As
> many people have said, you aren't fooling anyone.

He isn't even fooling himself. He knows his stories are unadulterated
bullshit.

>>
>> That really appears to be the work of a couple of mental cases trying
>> to jolly each other in some sort of mating ritual before you two go
>> and bugger each other in the ass, then switching positions suck the
>> shit off each others respective dicks in harmony.
>
> See above. You're cornered in your last refuge, a sputtering phony and
> a reckless, insulting bully, and you know it.

Of course he knows it.

>>
>> Thats rather gross and sick actually. No wonder normal people have you
>> two kill filed. No wonder you are both on the List.
>
> Jesus, you're going to run out of oxygen at this rate.

There is no "List" [sic]. gummer cannot provide any evidence of any
"list", and in fact, there isn't one.

>>>
>>> Thank GAWD KiddingHisSelf is saving all of us from Gummer, eh??
>>> Just WHAT WOULD WE DO without the Kidding/Gummer Chronicles??
>>>
>>> I sure as shit hope no one offs Kidding.... Why, I just wouldn't feel SAFE
>>> anymore, on UseNet....
>>> Or even in myown house!!!
>>>
>>> I think we should take up a collection for Kidding, just to show him our
>>> gratitude for his selfless work....
>>> Hmmmm..... lessee....
>>> Oh, here's a 1c zinc penny that my new bird (Woodstock, of course) crapped
>>> on.... Where should I send it???
>>
>> That address(s) would be a very good thing to have. <VBG>
>>
>> Think of it as someone taking out the trash.
>
> You aren't too late. Jump in!

gummer would not do anything with any address.

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On 7/2/2013 9:19 PM, sittingduck wrote:

> George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> Here's what cracks me up: he spends *far* less time doing this, yet
>> does a *far* better job in his posts, than you do. In your pathetic
>> spat with him, he is like J.R. Ewing and you are like Cliff Barnes: you
>> always come out the worse.
>

> Kidding is playing Chess, while Dummer and Eternally Angry are stuck on Go
> Fish.

Exactly.

Gunner Asch

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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 21:19:19 -0700, sittingduck
<du...@spamherelots.com> wrote:

>George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> Here's what cracks me up: he spends *far* less time doing this, yet
>> does a *far* better job in his posts, than you do. In your pathetic
>> spat with him, he is like J.R. Ewing and you are like Cliff Barnes: you
>> always come out the worse.
>

>Kidding is playing Chess, while Dummer and Eternally Angry are stuck on Go
>Fish.

Shitting Fuck is off his meds and hoping Skidding will fuck him in the
ass.

How Shitting Fuck got out of the killfile...hummmm..oh! He changed
shit again. Typical troll indeed

<plink>

Horst Hagelsturm

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On 7/2/2013 11:13 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 21:19:19 -0700, sittingduck
> <du...@spamherelots.com> wrote:
>
>> George Plimpton wrote:
>>
>>> Here's what cracks me up: he spends *far* less time doing this, yet
>>> does a *far* better job in his posts, than you do. In your pathetic
>>> spat with him, he is like J.R. Ewing and you are like Cliff Barnes: you
>>> always come out the worse.
>>
>> Kidding is playing Chess, while Dummer and Eternally Angry are stuck on Go
>> Fish.
>
> Shitting Fuck is off his meds and hoping Skidding will

Who Ya Kidding has chronicled your idiocy. That simply is not in dispute.

Ed Huntress

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On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:31:01 -0400, "Existential Angst"

As I've said before, he's not the first Walter Mitty I've ever run
into, and, short of claiming to fell entire forests with a single blow
of his ax, and having a giant ox named Babe, his bizarre stories don't
bother me in themselves. I just shake my head and move on.

But you've just seen an example of where he goes with it, and why it
pisses me off: He's weaving those claims into his gutter-trash
homoerotic insults, and calling anyone who catches him in his bullshit
stories "mentally ill."

That's pretty obnoxious, and I don't take kindly to having those
trashy slurs thrown at me. I don't have to respond in kind. All it
takes is a little exposure of what he's doing, and Gunner reverts to
the trash talk and gutter habits.

That's not just neurotic braggadocio. That's a verbal assault. I won't
let him get away with that.

>But only one of Gummer's legion of fans sees fit -- nay, compelled -- to
>then not only make a witchhunt out of what is essentially innocuous banter,
>but to make it his life's work.

Well, FWIW, here's my take on that. Kidding isn't the first to
document Gunner's bullshit stories and contradictions. I've done it
myself. But I've only done that one item at a time. It appears to me
that Kidding is a very organized guy, and what he's done is to take
those individual absurdities and collect them into a single volume, an
anthology of Gunner bullshit, and it makes for some funny reading. <g>

You may remember that someone on another NG had done a similar thing
with Banquer, although not nearly as well-done, and we got a few
chuckles out of it. Gunner's stuff is enough to make you roll in the
aisles.

>A pathetic life's work from, well, a pathetic bitchy boys-in-the-band
>sociopath. And *himself* a proven liar, in virtually every one of his
>paraphrasings of Moi -- just so he can appear to win.
>
>As much as you disapprove of gummer, Kidding's antics are, in many senses,
>worse.

I ignore so much of what goes on between you two that I don't even
know what it's about. Whatever it is, it long ago lost any connection
with your original disagreement -- whatever that might have been.

>You get all bent out of shape over gummer's culling..... PLease, dat stuff
>should go in one ear and out the other.

But he turns it into insults. It isn't just nutty hallucinations. It's
a string of put-downs.

>Never mind that a cull is necessary.... LOL
>
>The Q is: How to execute it.... heh, no pun intended.
>We each no doubt would have our own fav strategies and starting points.
>LOL
>Kidding -- and his status quo cocksucking ilk -- would be a good start
>tho....
>
>But no matter, no biggie, we will never have the luxury of choosing our
>culling.... Dat will be a Bilderberg decision.....
>And if the Bilderbergs have anything to do with it -- and they will --
>Gummer will be culled waaaay before Kidding and his ilk.
>Altho culling the Gummers will be noisier, cuz, well, the Gummers have more
>guns than the Kidding's.

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No. Septic tanks serve a useful purpose.

Spamßuster

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KEEP IT THE HELL OUT OF CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS, THANKS

==========================================================

On 7/2/2013 12:40 PM, Horst Hagelsturm wrote:
> On 7/2/2013 12:30 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 10:40:23 -0700, Horst Hagelsturm
>> <kick.d...@stupid.taft.fuckstains.com> wrote:

>>
>>> On 7/1/2013 4:18 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 18:08:45 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Though I do see one thing in there that I was wrong about. The 10
>>>> million miles thingy. After pondering it..Im going to have to change
>>>> that to 4 million miles, if the math does come out to 900 something
>>>> per day for 30 yrs. I dont drive that much anymore..so Im gladly
>>>> retracting the 10 million miles down to 4 million.
>>>
>>> 365 miles a day at an unrealistic average speed of 70 mph is over five
>>> hours a day spent driving a vehicle, every day for 30 years. If you
>>> worked six days a week every week for 30 years and drove 4,000,000
>>> miles, that would be 513 miles a day, which at an unrealistic average
>>> speed of 70 mph would be 7.3 hours driving every day.
>>>
>>> You didn't do that and also do whatever shitty low-skill "work" you
>>> claim to do. Your numbers are bullshit, as they always are.
>>
>> Since Ive been driving for nearly 50 yrs
>
> You specifically said the driving occurred over a 30 year interval.
>
> Ive never had a car accident in 30 yrs/10 million miles of driving
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/ce00195d4af80a15
>
> You're 59 years old. You have not been driving for "nearly 50 years."
> Even if you are claiming to have been driving underage and without a
> license, you haven't driven 10 million miles, or even 4 million miles.
>
> See again about the plausibility of lies. You are a liar; you love to
> lie. At least tell plausible lies.

Existential Angst

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So Kidding's mission and oh-so valuable purpose in life is to, what, "save"
all of our 5 years olds and under?
Mebbe Kidding can write a proposal for a Gummint grant, to continue The Good
Work??
What could be more precious than the under-5 demographic, eh?
Kidding pert near sounds ready for Sainthood.
--
EA

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On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 20:32:29 -0400, "Existential Angst"

"multiple world speed records"? And those would be...which ones
again?

"Impossible physical claims" would be what?

"astronomical iq" would be what?

Seems as though the poor bastard is once again..making things up. But
then...he lives in this rather frightening fantasy
world....brrrrr....off his meds....scary dude.

Fortunately he weighs 450 lbs and lives in his mommas basement..so
encountering him will be nearly impossible unless one went hunting
him. And then simply depth charging the basement with
bleach/muriatic in a couple quart jars would sold the problem rather
quickly. No need to even burn down his mommas house.

Gunner Asch

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On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:05:06 -0400, "Existential Angst"

Last time was in 1981. Had this little bitty Mexican guy in a bar
beating on his ol lady and as the only sheriff in a 20 minute
range..got called. He was one tough son of a bitch! And his ol lady
stabbed me in the back. Had to have the CHP come in as backup before
taking both of them into custody. That was one bad assed little
motherfucker. I wound up busting multipe bones on him with my PR-24
before he would stay down. Witnesses cleared me from any "beating the
little guy' charge. I dont know what drugs he had been doing..but the
little bastard nearly handed my ass to me. Go into a
situation..seeing this little 140lb skinny little shit beating on his
200+ ol lady and then trying to put cuffs on him..and having him turn
into a wolverine....sucked.

Since then..I either walk away..or go in <not> holding back and finish
the job before he hurts me. Swift, sudden and superior...no other
way.

Or if worst comes to ultimate worst..I shoot/stab/cut/club etc etc the
opponent.

Dont much care for that ..but..btdt.

Shrug.

Something about Judged by 12 or carried by 6 ...works for me.

70.66...@sjrb.ca

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On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:28:40 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

Uh, Hobie 16, in which "Kern County Sheriffs Deputy Bart Collins
clocked you at 42 mph" (the generally accepted record for a Hobie 16
is 25.9 mph). Then there was the Ninja on which you supposedly did 264
mph (record for a Ninja is 231 mph at Bonneville). Was that the same
deputy and the same radar gun? <ggg!>

Surely you remember those, Gunner. I mean, you don't set world records
like that without remembering them...unless your brains have turned to
farina focaccia. Right?

>
>"Impossible physical claims" would be what?

Ask Kidding. He has some.

>
>"astronomical iq" would be what?

164, or 157, depending on whether you remember what you said last
time. <g> At 164, that would mean you would have the highest IQ out
of any random group of at least 31,560 people Ya' think? That beats
Einstein, BTW.

>
>Seems as though the poor bastard is once again..making things up. But
>then...he lives in this rather frightening fantasy
>world....brrrrr....off his meds....scary dude.

I don't know which "poor bastard" you're referring to, but you've left
a trail of phony claims all over the Internet, you clown.

>
>Fortunately he weighs 450 lbs and lives in his mommas basement..so
>encountering him will be nearly impossible unless one went hunting
>him. And then simply depth charging the basement with
>bleach/muriatic in a couple quart jars would sold the problem rather
>quickly. No need to even burn down his mommas house.

Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....

--
Ed Huntress

whoyakidding's ghost

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Jul 6, 2013, 10:09:53 AM7/6/13

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If you're dreaming a road trip in a nonexistent vehicle, why not
imagine one that can make it up hills?

> -- and we'll go kick gummer's ass.
>When we're done kicking gummer's ass, me'n'gummer will saddle up, go find
>Kidding, and kick his useless ass....

You're becoming Gunner. Spending too much time inside your strange
mind which is preoccupied with a stalled obsession. You could jump
start it by switching to this guy's technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwlAvsPvPfg

whoyakidding's ghost

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On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 01:10:09 -0400, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:28:40 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>>Fortunately he weighs 450 lbs and lives in his mommas basement..so
>>encountering him will be nearly impossible unless one went hunting
>>him. And then simply depth charging the basement with
>>bleach/muriatic in a couple quart jars would sold the problem rather
>>quickly. No need to even burn down his mommas house.
>
>Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....

I wonder which fantasies Gunner expressed to that code enforcement
lady, that caused her to return with a police escort. Probably
included this one: "my taxes pay your salary."

Ed Huntress

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Jul 6, 2013, 10:20:18 AM7/6/13

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Yeah, that one always endears you to government officials. It makes
them so much more likely to give you a break. d8-)

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Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress

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On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 20:07:33 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

I try to avoid that one, because I have no way to check it out. He's
woven such a convoluted tale of deniability that you'd think he
learned his tricks from Ollie North.

However, going on his habitual behavior, if I had to place a bet, I'd
bet that it's all a bunch of bull.

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Jeff M

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Jul 6, 2013, 10:30:16 AM7/6/13

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The best response to that I've heard: "Really? Then you're the cheap
SOB I've been looking for!"

Ed Huntress

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On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 21:05:06 -0400, "Existential Angst"

I'll man the foredeck. I can handle the headsails. You hold the
butterfly net to catch parts as they fall off. d8-)

>and we'll go kick gummer's ass.
>When we're done kicking gummer's ass, me'n'gummer will saddle up, go find
>Kidding, and kick his useless ass....

'Lotta ass-kicking there. I'd rather be fishing.

whoyakidding's ghost

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On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:24:57 -0400, Ed Huntress
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Jul 2013 20:07:33 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
>wrote:

>>The only thing that really crosses the line for me is Gunner's
>>disgusting and phony "Stolen Valor" pose, pretending to be a wounded and
>>decorated combat vet. That's incredibly offensive and completely
>>unacceptable to me. My brother served in Vietnam, and my father and
>>uncle served in WWII. I have a friend and fellow firefighter who was a
>>special forces medic and he was killed in Afghanistan. He was buried
>>with the medals Gunner falsely claimed to have received pinned to his chest.
>
>I try to avoid that one, because I have no way to check it out. He's
>woven such a convoluted tale of deniability that you'd think he
>learned his tricks from Ollie North.
>
>However, going on his habitual behavior, if I had to place a bet, I'd
>bet that it's all a bunch of bull.

Gunner's excuses for failing to produce his dd214, and not accepting
offers of help if they require him to prove his service, tell the
tale. All those alleged feats, yet it's too difficult to call his
father and ask that some paperwork be mailed? LOL He's impotently
spent years escalating his tales and death threats, when investing in
a postage stamp would have more effective. Except for one little
problem...

whoyakidding's ghost

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On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 09:30:16 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

Oh to have been a fly on the wall when Gunner tried to intimidate the
code lady. What are the chances that he tried the "my taxes pay your
salary," and she replied "you don't pay your taxes, and that's one of
the reasons I'm here." And what are the chances that at some point in
the process, she Googled his name and got this result.
http://tinyurl.com/ohzeure If she asked him why he'd been claiming to
own a quarter of his block, etc, he'd have been forced to use his big
gun: "I'm putting your name on the cull list."

Existential Angst

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Assuming there's any standardization at all to these fukn IQ tests.....
Einstein's IQ is a quite on the low end, given the mega-magnitude of what he
accomplished, and that it took the likes of David Hilbert to co-solve
Einstein's last "mathematical dilemma" in general relativity.

In armchair scientific quarterbacking circles (sumpn Kidding would be
awfully good at, given his stratospheric CJQ -- circle jerking quotient ),
the likes of Fermat ("the solution was too long to write in the margin" for
the famed FLT ), and a cupla others were given estimates of over 200...
210, iirc, for Fermat.
I'm sure google has oodles of these type of lists.

If you peg a "functional IQ" to the achievement itself, then Einstein,
Newton, bunches of others are 200+.
If you use RohrCrap tests, then any functioning asshole can score high, or
be allowed to vote.

Here's the guy who "solved" the FLT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles's_proof_of_Fermat's_Last_Theorem
A more readable overview of the problem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem Very inneresting read
on the history.

For those gagging with bated bref, Fermat "guessed" right: there is no
solution a, b, c, to a^n + b^n = c^n, for n > 2.
For n = 2, it is, of course, the pythagorean theorem.

No mortal can understand Wile's elliptic/modularity shit, and the Q remains:
Did Fermat actually solve it, using "classical" number theory?
Gauss said no way.... but dats only cuz Gauss couldn't solve it. lol

So Andrew Wile no doubt has a mega-IQ as well, altho it is hard for anyone
to compare the "accomplishment" of general relativity to Wile's proof of FLT

We no doubt could have nipped all this scientific/mathematical drama in the
bud, by simply putting Gummer on the case.....
"THIS is the solution to Fermat's Last Theorem, and I'll shoot every one
of you muthafuckas who disagrees...."

See? Settled!!!

Gummer may very well have a very high IQ -- certainly higher than Kidding's,
since kidding is so addle-brained dizzy from swinging on gummer's dick, in
360 deg giants.
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EA

Ed Huntress

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On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:05:17 -0400, "Existential Angst"

Actually, there is no way to measure an IQ over about 185. The
statistics, and the number of people in the world, don't allow the
required mathematics.

Not that there aren't a few people with IQs over 185. It's just that
you can't measure them.

No worry for Gunner, though. <g> When people atart bragging about
their IQ, the only thing certain is that they're full of crap.

>
>If you peg a "functional IQ" to the achievement itself, then Einstein,
>Newton, bunches of others are 200+.
>If you use RohrCrap tests, then any functioning asshole can score high, or
>be allowed to vote.

>
>Here's the guy who "solved" the FLT.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles's_proof_of_Fermat's_Last_Theorem
>A more readable overview of the problem:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem Very inneresting read
>on the history.
>
>For those gagging with bated bref, Fermat "guessed" right: there is no
>solution a, b, c, to a^n + b^n = c^n, for n > 2.
>For n = 2, it is, of course, the pythagorean theorem.
>
>No mortal can understand Wile's elliptic/modularity shit, and the Q remains:
>Did Fermat actually solve it, using "classical" number theory?
>Gauss said no way.... but dats only cuz Gauss couldn't solve it. lol
>
>So Andrew Wile no doubt has a mega-IQ as well, altho it is hard for anyone
>to compare the "accomplishment" of general relativity to Wile's proof of FLT
>
>We no doubt could have nipped all this scientific/mathematical drama in the
>bud, by simply putting Gummer on the case.....
> "THIS is the solution to Fermat's Last Theorem, and I'll shoot every one
>of you muthafuckas who disagrees...."
>
>See? Settled!!!
>
>Gummer may very well have a very high IQ

Not a chance.

> -- certainly higher than Kidding's,

Don't be ridiculous.

>since kidding is so addle-brained dizzy from swinging on gummer's dick, in
>360 deg giants.

The chance that Gunner's IQ is over 130 - 135 is about equal to the
chance that he did 264 mph on a Kawasaki Ninja.

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Gunner Asch

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On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:05:17 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>>>
>>>"multiple world speed records"? And those would be...which ones
>>>again?
>>
>> Uh, Hobie 16, in which "Kern County Sheriffs Deputy Bart Collins
>> clocked you at 42 mph" (the generally accepted record for a Hobie 16
>> is 25.9 mph). Then there was the Ninja on which you supposedly did 264
>> mph (record for a Ninja is 231 mph at Bonneville). Was that the same
>> deputy and the same radar gun? <ggg!>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipGWQmerEQ&feature=youtu.be

http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17419

2 of us out on the wire, well aft, reaching hard in a 50+mph wind out
here in the desert on Buena Vista Lake. Between the two of us..we
outmassed that 320lb Hobi by at least 50 pounds.

Btw..thats 25.9 Knots..which is

http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17419

In Long Beach..in the early 1970s. They go much faster
now...particularly on bursts on flat water in heavy air. I went 42mph
which is is 36.497knots. Many cats do that regularly today or far
faster.
An Olympic Tornado catamaran was recorded hitting 36 knots.
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/high-speed-catamaran-sailing-attracts-thrill-seeking-crowd/story?id=17821347

Buena Vista lake is a manmade "sunken" lake with the shores around
most of it at least 4' taller than the water (on the windward side)
and surrounded by miles and miles of Flat. So we were catching the
wind above the nearly still water right in the sweetspot of the sails.
I knew we were hauling ass..but I didnt know it was that fast until
the deputy told us he had been clocking us on the road around the
lake. I seldom can sail in those high winds..crew weight..my wife is
100 lbs soaking wet..and she is good on the wire along with me..up to
about 40 mph of wind. After than...we tend to pearl a lot on a broad
reach. That day..I had a buddy who is a solid block of meat. About
5'10" and nearly 250 lbs. I was at 195lbs at that time. So we had
over 400lbs of crew weight out on the wire, with a 320lb sailboat on a
broad reach with one hull in the water. Shrug So we snugged up, and
went like crazy. It was indeed a kick in the ass and an adrenalin rush
of the first quality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banque_Populaire_V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKUwK4NOUs8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP985PjMGts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSS7Az0jcOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEqYTrzaHsc

As for the Ninja..it was hardly a stock bike..which I noted. Which
was why I was asked to take it for a ride. And as I noted...it scared
the bejeezus out of me. Faster than I ever wanted to go on 2 wheels
again. Im old and intend on getting much much older. Doing that 2x
shortens my life span by a shitload.

>>
>> Surely you remember those, Gunner. I mean, you don't set world records
>> like that without remembering them...unless your brains have turned to
>> farina focaccia. Right?

Worlds records? Oh..you mean recorded on a standard course? No worlds
records set. Though the owner of the bike is going to be trying for
it this fall.

Oh...65.7 knots?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipGWQmerEQ&feature=youtu.be

>>
>>>
>>>"Impossible physical claims" would be what?
>>
>> Ask Kidding. He has some.

Still waiting

>>
>>>
>>>"astronomical iq" would be what?
>>
>> 164, or 157, depending on whether you remember what you said last
>> time. <g> At 164, that would mean you would have the highest IQ out
>> of any random group of at least 31,560 people Ya' think? That beats
>> Einstein, BTW.

Yes and? Its been tested from 151 and up. Not all tests are
standardized of course. And? I know lots of guys who were way
smarter than I..and you of course..arent one of them.

>
>Assuming there's any standardization at all to these fukn IQ tests.....
>Einstein's IQ is a quite on the low end, given the mega-magnitude of what he
>accomplished, and that it took the likes of David Hilbert to co-solve
>Einstein's last "mathematical dilemma" in general relativity.
>
>In armchair scientific quarterbacking circles (sumpn Kidding would be
>awfully good at, given his stratospheric CJQ -- circle jerking quotient ),
>the likes of Fermat ("the solution was too long to write in the margin" for
>the famed FLT ), and a cupla others were given estimates of over 200...
>210, iirc, for Fermat.
>I'm sure google has oodles of these type of lists.
>
>If you peg a "functional IQ" to the achievement itself, then Einstein,
>Newton, bunches of others are 200+.
>If you use RohrCrap tests, then any functioning asshole can score high, or
>be allowed to vote.

Correct.

>
>Here's the guy who "solved" the FLT.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiles's_proof_of_Fermat's_Last_Theorem
>A more readable overview of the problem:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_Last_Theorem Very inneresting read
>on the history.
>
>For those gagging with bated bref, Fermat "guessed" right: there is no
>solution a, b, c, to a^n + b^n = c^n, for n > 2.
>For n = 2, it is, of course, the pythagorean theorem.
>
>No mortal can understand Wile's elliptic/modularity shit, and the Q remains:
>Did Fermat actually solve it, using "classical" number theory?
>Gauss said no way.... but dats only cuz Gauss couldn't solve it. lol
>
>So Andrew Wile no doubt has a mega-IQ as well, altho it is hard for anyone
>to compare the "accomplishment" of general relativity to Wile's proof of FLT
>
>We no doubt could have nipped all this scientific/mathematical drama in the
>bud, by simply putting Gummer on the case.....
> "THIS is the solution to Fermat's Last Theorem, and I'll shoot every one
>of you muthafuckas who disagrees...."
>
>See? Settled!!!
>
>Gummer may very well have a very high IQ -- certainly higher than Kidding's,
>since kidding is so addle-brained dizzy from swinging on gummer's dick, in
>360 deg giants.
>--
>EA

Shrug

Gunner

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wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 18:05:17 -0400, "Existential Angst"
><fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>"multiple world speed records"? And those would be...which ones
>>>>again?
>>>
>>> Uh, Hobie 16, in which "Kern County Sheriffs Deputy Bart Collins
>>> clocked you at 42 mph" (the generally accepted record for a Hobie 16
>>> is 25.9 mph). Then there was the Ninja on which you supposedly did 264
>>> mph (record for a Ninja is 231 mph at Bonneville). Was that the same
>>> deputy and the same radar gun? <ggg!>
>
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipGWQmerEQ&feature=youtu.be

That's the Vestas Sailrocket, you flaming asshole. Your claim is for a
Hobie 16. Jesus, Gunner, have you completely lost it?

>
>http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17419

There's the 25.9 mph that Hobie claims for the record. Any Hobie 16
that hits 20 mph is near the limit.

>
>2 of us out on the wire, well aft, reaching hard in a 50+mph wind out
>here in the desert on Buena Vista Lake. Between the two of us..we
>outmassed that 320lb Hobi by at least 50 pounds.
>
>Btw..thats 25.9 Knots..which is
>
>http://www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17419

No, that's 25.9 mph, as your link says. That's equal to 22.5 knots.

>
>In Long Beach..in the early 1970s. They go much faster
>now...particularly on bursts on flat water in heavy air. I went 42mph
>which is is 36.497knots. Many cats do that regularly today or far
>faster.

Sure. Like the multi-megabuck, custom-built Vestas Sailrocket, which
is 40 FEET LONG! And it doesn't have conventional "sails." It has a
wing made of polyester film over a carbon-fiber spar. It's probably
worth several times the value of your house.

>An Olympic Tornado catamaran was recorded hitting 36 knots.
>http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/high-speed-catamaran-sailing-attracts-thrill-seeking-crowd/story?id=17821347

Yeah, a 20-foot Olympic Tornado with 180 sq. ft. of sail. Not a Hobie
16 with 118.

>
>Buena Vista lake is a manmade "sunken" lake with the shores around
>most of it at least 4' taller than the water (on the windward side)
>and surrounded by miles and miles of Flat. So we were catching the
>wind above the nearly still water right in the sweetspot of the sails.
>I knew we were hauling ass..but I didnt know it was that fast until
>the deputy told us he had been clocking us on the road around the
>lake. I seldom can sail in those high winds..crew weight..my wife is
>100 lbs soaking wet..and she is good on the wire along with me..up to
>about 40 mph of wind. After than...we tend to pearl a lot on a broad
>reach. That day..I had a buddy who is a solid block of meat. About
>5'10" and nearly 250 lbs. I was at 195lbs at that time. So we had
>over 400lbs of crew weight out on the wire, with a 320lb sailboat on a
>broad reach with one hull in the water. Shrug So we snugged up, and
>went like crazy. It was indeed a kick in the ass and an adrenalin rush
>of the first quality.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banque_Populaire_V
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKUwK4NOUs8
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP985PjMGts
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSS7Az0jcOU
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEqYTrzaHsc

So you have links to 130-foot trimarans, C-Cats, and hydrofoils.

What happened to Hobie Cat 16s? You can't drive them as fast as you
claim. They won't go much over 20 mph without pitchpoling. The
occassions where they've recorded speeds in the 20s are pretty rare.

>
>
>As for the Ninja..it was hardly a stock bike..which I noted.

Neither is the one that holds the world's record.

>Which
>was why I was asked to take it for a ride. And as I noted...it scared
>the bejeezus out of me. Faster than I ever wanted to go on 2 wheels
>again. Im old and intend on getting much much older. Doing that 2x
>shortens my life span by a shitload.
>
>>>
>>> Surely you remember those, Gunner. I mean, you don't set world records
>>> like that without remembering them...unless your brains have turned to
>>> farina focaccia. Right?
>
>Worlds records? Oh..you mean recorded on a standard course?

No. The Hobie record is just a radar-gun job, like your claim. The
Ninja record is 33 MPH SLOWER than you claim you did.

> No worlds
>records set.

You can say that again.

>Though the owner of the bike is going to be trying for
>it this fall.

Good for him. Good luck. He's already got it beat by 33 mph, so it
should be a piece of cake, right?

>
>Oh...65.7 knots?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pipGWQmerEQ&feature=youtu.be

On the 40-foot, multi-megabuck Vestas Sailrocket, idiot. Not on a
Hobie 16.

>
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Impossible physical claims" would be what?
>>>
>>> Ask Kidding. He has some.
>
>Still waiting
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"astronomical iq" would be what?
>>>
>>> 164, or 157, depending on whether you remember what you said last
>>> time. <g> At 164, that would mean you would have the highest IQ out
>>> of any random group of at least 31,560 people Ya' think? That beats
>>> Einstein, BTW.
>
>Yes and? Its been tested from 151 and up. Not all tests are
>standardized of course. And? I know lots of guys who were way
>smarter than I..and you of course..arent one of them.

Ha-ha! Gunner, I don't doubt there are lots of guys 'way smarter than
you. Some of them may have IQs as high as 135 or 140. That would be
'way smarter.

>>
>>Assuming there's any standardization at all to these fukn IQ tests.....

There is.

>>Einstein's IQ is a quite on the low end....

Yeah, you're SOOOO much smarter.

> given the mega-magnitude of what he
>>accomplished, and that it took the likes of David Hilbert to co-solve
>>Einstein's last "mathematical dilemma" in general relativity.

He beat you to it, huh? You were just born too late, I guess.

>>
>>In armchair scientific quarterbacking circles (sumpn Kidding would be
>>awfully good at, given his stratospheric CJQ -- circle jerking quotient ),
>>the likes of Fermat ("the solution was too long to write in the margin" for
>>the famed FLT ), and a cupla others were given estimates of over 200...
>>210, iirc, for Fermat.
>>I'm sure google has oodles of these type of lists.

Many of which you've written, no doubt...

>>
>>If you peg a "functional IQ" to the achievement itself, then Einstein,
>>Newton, bunches of others are 200+.
>>If you use RohrCrap tests, then any functioning asshole can score high, or
>>be allowed to vote.

I guess that's what happened to you, huh?

Gunner, you've got to learn when to stop digging those holes you keep
falling into.

--
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> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
> horse, and now you're pretending

Except, he's not "pretending"....

Existential Angst

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Well, as I suggested, all this is arm-chair ad hoc'ing. It would take very
scholarly people indeed to even *assess* the relative merits of
accomplishments to legitimately extrapolate these off-the-chart IQs.

>
> No worry for Gunner, though. <g> When people atart bragging about
> their IQ, the only thing certain is that they're full of crap.

Yet Kidding's tales are copacetic, eh?
At least Gummer's stuff is entertaining.

What, bec Kidding parrots your hero Tom Wolffe, with his absolutely
*content-less* sycophantic bullshit patter???? Please.....
Iffin you think dats representative of a hi IQ, I got a brooklyn bridge to
sell you, and a lifetime membership in Menses, the superior IQ club to
Mensa, for only $495..

Fuuuuck, kidding can't understand his own Volt..... OR the AngstMobile!!!
But he *sounds* real good in his utter lack of comprehension.... as do most
bullshitters -- and lawyers and pols.

Hmmmm.....
Come to think of it, Ed, YOU have demonstrated some conceptual difficulties
with the AngstMobile..... LOL
Hmmmm.....
Oh, I think I know why.... it's the usenet *company* you've been
keeping!!!!! LOL

>
>>since kidding is so addle-brained dizzy from swinging on gummer's dick, in
>>360 deg giants.
>
> The chance that Gunner's IQ is over 130 - 135 is about equal to the
> chance that he did 264 mph on a Kawasaki Ninja.

Or mebbe there was a 100 mph tailwind??
Mebbe gummer had cheatsheets on the IQ tests?
Mebbe gummer took the IQ test in appalachia?? Or alabama??

Well, at least gummer idn't confusing his a cycle speed with his IQ...
Or mebbe he IS!!! It's really a 264 IQ, and 160 on a bike??

But, Ed, a 130 IQ is STILL two std dev. from the nation's IQ mean....
which would put him in the near-1%-ile, which is not shabby at all.
Yer giving GUmmer dat much credit?? LOL

Existential Angst

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> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>
>>
>>Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>
> Sure! Your favorite hobby -- putting people on the "cull" list, and
> then telling them how much you're going to enjoy watching them die.
>
> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
> horse, and now you're pretending you're stupid. I don't doubt that
> some of that is true, but, as usual, you aren't fooling anyone.

But Ed, you recently annointed Gummer with a 130-135 IQ!!!!
And that was with considerable bias, eh? LOL
--
EA

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>
> Actually, there is no way to measure an IQ over about 185. The
> statistics, and the number of people in the world, don't allow the
> required mathematics.
>
> Not that there aren't a few people with IQs over 185. It's just that
> you can't measure them.
>
> No worry for Gunner, though. <g> When people atart bragging about
> their IQ, the only thing certain is that they're full of crap.
>

I took an online "IQ test" just this afternoon; it consisted of 20 questions
and to my dismay, I learned that MY IQ falls in at around 70, which
apparently is well below the average...

--however, upon reviewing the test answers, I found that I had gotten every
single one of them correct..(yes, I'll admit that I wasn't quite sure about
a couple, but hey, I nailed 'em all nonetheless)..

Oh well, I guess I must be EXCEPTIONALLY stupid; for the life of me I still
cannot comprehend how in the hell it could be that obviously, in order to
get even an average score, a person must answer at least one, (if not
several) of the answers incorrectly..

Gunner Asch

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<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>
>>>
>>>Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>>
>> Sure! Your favorite hobby -- putting people on the "cull" list, and
>> then telling them how much you're going to enjoy watching them die.

Yes and? As an observer...like visiting the zoo and watching the
monkeys throwing shit at each other and making shrieking sounds.

Funny as hell.

>>
>> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
>> horse, and now you're pretending you're stupid. I don't doubt that
>> some of that is true, but, as usual, you aren't fooling anyone.

Deep hole? What..you think that because Im going to enjoy watching
the mass slaughter of the very people who are destroying my
country..my nation..my home....there is something wrong with that?

Think again Eddie...think again.

Tsk tsk tsk.....what..feel a cold chill run up your spine?

Something wrong Ed? Ive not added your name to the List.
But...perhaps someone else has. Shrug

Only time will tell.

>
>But Ed, you recently annointed Gummer with a 130-135 IQ!!!!
>And that was with considerable bias, eh? LOL

Shrug

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Hannibal Lechter to Agent Clarisse Starling:

I shan't be calling on you, Clarisse.....

Whew.... Thank Gawd!!! LOL

Dood, yer efforts to save yer country are noble -- great culls
notwithstanding....
But you don't realize it's simply rotting from within, across all party
lines, economic lines, educational lines.
We are simply a species of assholes. You cain't fix asshole.... you cain't
even splice out the gene....
--
EA

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But..assholes can be removed.

And that....is where we are headed.

Ray Keller

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Quad tires

Ed Huntress

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>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>
>>>
>>>Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>>
>> Sure! Your favorite hobby -- putting people on the "cull" list, and
>> then telling them how much you're going to enjoy watching them die.
>>
>> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
>> horse, and now you're pretending you're stupid. I don't doubt that
>> some of that is true, but, as usual, you aren't fooling anyone.
>
>But Ed, you recently annointed Gummer with a 130-135 IQ!!!!
>And that was with considerable bias, eh? LOL

I didn't "annoint" him. I just allowed a very large margin so I
wouldn't have to argue the point. d8-)

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You don't "assess accomplishments" to measure IQ. It's a limited
measurement that's based upon relative scores in any of several
standardized tests. If you don't have enough people at the extreme
ends, you don't have the necessary statistical data to make a
measurement. On the high end, that happens somewhere around 185.

The "extrapolations" are all theoretical. IQ is not. It's a concrete
measurement based upon statistical results.

What *meaning* it has is the arguable point. There are arguments about
many aspects of it, as most people know.That's what keeps the PhD.s
who study intelligence up at night.

>
>>
>> No worry for Gunner, though. <g> When people atart bragging about
>> their IQ, the only thing certain is that they're full of crap.
>
>Yet Kidding's tales are copacetic, eh?
>At least Gummer's stuff is entertaining.

I don't know what Kidding's "tales" are. All I've read recently are
his discussions about electric vehicles, where he has a POV that
contrasts rather sharply with yours. <g>

No. FWIW, I've always been pretty good at guessing IQs. There's a good
correlation between those scores and a person's patterns of thought,
expressed in speaking or writing, and high IQs correspond to an
ability to weigh many facts at one time, high degrees of organization,
and the ability to organize many elements into a coherent narrative.
There also is the matter of insight, which is much harder to judge
from one's speaking and writing. That's the kind of thing you're
talking about with the math and physics problems.

I'm not talking about grammar or evidence of training as a speaker or
writer. The point is, high intelligence evidences itself, even among
semi-literate speakers and writers, in the way the content of their
communication is organized.

It's far from perfect but after speaking with someone or reading their
thoughts for a while, I often can make a close stab at their IQ -- in
those cases where they know it and will tell you honestly.

>Iffin you think dats representative of a hi IQ, I got a brooklyn bridge to
>sell you, and a lifetime membership in Menses, the superior IQ club to
>Mensa, for only $495..
>
>Fuuuuck, kidding can't understand his own Volt..... OR the AngstMobile!!!
>But he *sounds* real good in his utter lack of comprehension.... as do most
>bullshitters -- and lawyers and pols.
>
>Hmmmm.....
>Come to think of it, Ed, YOU have demonstrated some conceptual difficulties
>with the AngstMobile..... LOL

For good reason. There are some conceptual ideas behind it that sound
like they came from the _Whole Earth Catalog_. All you're missing is
the hand-cranked flour mill and an aluminum-foil solar oven in the
trunk. d8-)

>Hmmmm.....
>Oh, I think I know why.... it's the usenet *company* you've been
>keeping!!!!! LOL

How about being a devoted gearhead since age 14?

>
>>
>>>since kidding is so addle-brained dizzy from swinging on gummer's dick, in
>>>360 deg giants.
>>
>> The chance that Gunner's IQ is over 130 - 135 is about equal to the
>> chance that he did 264 mph on a Kawasaki Ninja.
>
>Or mebbe there was a 100 mph tailwind??

Pfhhht.

>Mebbe gummer had cheatsheets on the IQ tests?
>Mebbe gummer took the IQ test in appalachia?? Or alabama??

'Same tests everywhere.

>
>Well, at least gummer idn't confusing his a cycle speed with his IQ...
>Or mebbe he IS!!! It's really a 264 IQ, and 160 on a bike??

If so, his head would explode from the pressure. The bike speed,
though, probably is closer to the truth.

>
>But, Ed, a 130 IQ is STILL two std dev. from the nation's IQ mean....
>which would put him in the near-1%-ile, which is not shabby at all.
>Yer giving GUmmer dat much credit?? LOL

Don't misunderstand. I think that Gunner is a pretty smart
underachiever. I have him pinned at around 130 (SD 16, as with the
Stanford-Binet test). Plumper thinks it's a bit lower, and I suspect
that Plumper is pretty good at nailing IQs, too. There are reasons to
pin it lower -- you never know for sure when he's being truthful, and
his intentional lies seem to be based on trying to get some illogic
embedded in the "debate." But his IQ is well above average.

But that's about it. There are too many gaps in his logic for it to be
higher, even allowing for his deceitful "debating" style and his
frequent attempts at silly distraction. I just threw in an extra 5
points to avoid arguments about it. d8-)

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>On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 01:50:51 -0400, "Existential Angst"
><fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:4rght8tto16fd15bg...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>>>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>>>
>>> Sure! Your favorite hobby -- putting people on the "cull" list, and
>>> then telling them how much you're going to enjoy watching them die.
>
>Yes and? As an observer...like visiting the zoo and watching the
>monkeys throwing shit at each other and making shrieking sounds.
>
>Funny as hell.

Right. That's your fantasy. To watch people you don't like being
murdered. That's the rightard psychopathology that you share with so
many others here.

Some want to do it. Others, the cowards, just want to watch.

>
>>>
>>> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
>>> horse, and now you're pretending you're stupid. I don't doubt that
>>> some of that is true, but, as usual, you aren't fooling anyone.
>
>Deep hole?

Yeah. Deep enough that it's anthologized in a multi-edition online
document.

>What..you think that because Im going to enjoy watching
>the mass slaughter of the very people who are destroying my
>country..my nation..my home....there is something wrong with that?

Ah, yeah, enjoying watching mass slaughter is evidence of serious
emotional problems.

You would have made a great death-camp guard in WWII. You could enjoy
the bonfires built from all those people who were "destroying their
country." They had exectly the same frame of mind that you do.

>
>Think again Eddie...think again.
>
>
>Tsk tsk tsk.....what..feel a cold chill run up your spine?

It's more like wanting to puke.

Ed Huntress

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On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 00:31:36 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:i75ht8d9emuifj8kp...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Actually, there is no way to measure an IQ over about 185. The
>> statistics, and the number of people in the world, don't allow the
>> required mathematics.
>>
>> Not that there aren't a few people with IQs over 185. It's just that
>> you can't measure them.
>>
>> No worry for Gunner, though. <g> When people atart bragging about
>> their IQ, the only thing certain is that they're full of crap.
>>
>
>I took an online "IQ test" just this afternoon; it consisted of 20 questions
>and to my dismay, I learned that MY IQ falls in at around 70, which
>apparently is well below the average...
>
>--however, upon reviewing the test answers, I found that I had gotten every
>single one of them correct..(yes, I'll admit that I wasn't quite sure about
>a couple, but hey, I nailed 'em all nonetheless)..

I assume you aren't serious. I've taken a couple of those tests, and
was surprised to find that the results are right in there with my
actual tests over the years. I thought they'd be a joke.

>
>Oh well, I guess I must be EXCEPTIONALLY stupid; for the life of me I still
>cannot comprehend how in the hell it could be that obviously, in order to
>get even an average score, a person must answer at least one, (if not
>several) of the answers incorrectly..

I'd be interested to hear what actually happened there.

--
Ed Huntress

Walter Forwärd

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Jul 7, 2013, 11:39:28 AM7/7/13

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On 7/6/2013 6:20 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>
>
> Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>
> You dont think that Im going to be going around killing off Leftwing
> flotsam and jetsam do you? Oh hardly. Ill be here in my little home
> watching it all on the internet or on the TV (spit)
>
> Speaking of which....think you will live through the Great Cull?
>
> Id not be signing any long term contracts your family will be
> responsible for. Shrug
>
> No Fast Eddie...Im simply an observer of the trends leading up to the
> coming blood bath.

No "cull". No "list". No one who "keeps the list".

It's all bullshit.

Jack Carlson

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Jul 7, 2013, 11:43:24 AM7/7/13

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On 7/7/2013 12:50 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 01:50:51 -0400, "Existential Angst"
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4rght8tto16fd15bg...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>>>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>>>
>>> Sure! Your favorite hobby -- putting people on the "cull" list, and
>>> then telling them how much you're going to enjoy watching them die.
>
> Yes and? As an observer...

No "list."

>>> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
>>> horse, and now you're pretending you're stupid. I don't doubt that
>>> some of that is true, but, as usual, you aren't fooling anyone.
>
> Deep hole? What..you think that because Im going to enjoy watching
> the mass slaughter of the very people who are destroying my
> country..my nation..my home....there is something wrong with that?

Such a "slaughter", which of course is not going to occur, would be
murder. So yes, you harbor murder fantasies.

Jack Carlson

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No "list." No "those who keep the list." No "cull."

George Plimpton

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Jul 7, 2013, 11:53:02 AM7/7/13

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Two σ above the mean means between the 97th and 98th percentile. gummer
doesn't live there.

David R. Birch

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On 7/7/2013 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

>
> You don't "assess accomplishments" to measure IQ. It's a limited
> measurement that's based upon relative scores in any of several
> standardized tests. If you don't have enough people at the extreme
> ends, you don't have the necessary statistical data to make a
> measurement. On the high end, that happens somewhere around 185.
>
> The "extrapolations" are all theoretical. IQ is not. It's a concrete
> measurement based upon statistical results.
>
> What *meaning* it has is the arguable point. There are arguments about
> many aspects of it, as most people know.That's what keeps the PhD.s
> who study intelligence up at night.

A Psych prof of mine who specialized in intelligence testing had her own
definition of intelligence: the ability to score well in intelligence tests.

:^)

> No. FWIW, I've always been pretty good at guessing IQs. There's a good
> correlation between those scores and a person's patterns of thought,
> expressed in speaking or writing, and high IQs correspond to an
> ability to weigh many facts at one time, high degrees of organization,
> and the ability to organize many elements into a coherent narrative.
> There also is the matter of insight, which is much harder to judge
> from one's speaking and writing. That's the kind of thing you're
> talking about with the math and physics problems.
>
> I'm not talking about grammar or evidence of training as a speaker or
> writer. The point is, high intelligence evidences itself, even among
> semi-literate speakers and writers, in the way the content of their
> communication is organized.
>
> It's far from perfect but after speaking with someone or reading their
> thoughts for a while, I often can make a close stab at their IQ -- in
> those cases where they know it and will tell you honestly.

I used to think that, too, until I started spending lots of time among
Mensans and realized how many very intelligent people were not raised in
environments that supported and encouraged their development.

>> Mebbe gummer had cheatsheets on the IQ tests?
>> Mebbe gummer took the IQ test in appalachia?? Or alabama??
>
> 'Same tests everywhere.

Pretty much, Mensa accepts lots of different tests, but most IQ tests
peg about 131-133 at the top 2%.

>
>>
>> Well, at least gummer idn't confusing his a cycle speed with his IQ...
>> Or mebbe he IS!!! It's really a 264 IQ, and 160 on a bike??
>
> If so, his head would explode from the pressure. The bike speed,
> though, probably is closer to the truth.
>
>>
>> But, Ed, a 130 IQ is STILL two std dev. from the nation's IQ mean....
>> which would put him in the near-1%-ile, which is not shabby at all.
>> Yer giving GUmmer dat much credit?? LOL

130 IQ is just below the top 2% level, but IQ scores are usually given
as +/- 5 points.

>
> Don't misunderstand. I think that Gunner is a pretty smart
> underachiever. I have him pinned at around 130 (SD 16, as with the
> Stanford-Binet test). Plumper thinks it's a bit lower, and I suspect
> that Plumper is pretty good at nailing IQs, too. There are reasons to
> pin it lower -- you never know for sure when he's being truthful, and
> his intentional lies seem to be based on trying to get some illogic
> embedded in the "debate." But his IQ is well above average.
>
> But that's about it. There are too many gaps in his logic for it to be
> higher, even allowing for his deceitful "debating" style and his
> frequent attempts at silly distraction. I just threw in an extra 5
> points to avoid arguments about it. d8-)

It is very possible that Gunner's communication skills haven't changed
much since his stroke, but stroke survivors often suffer a decrease in
cognitive ability that is not subjectively apparent. This is a lot less
obvious to the survivor than memory loss, but associated with it.

Of course, no two strokes and no two stroke survivors are alike, every
loss is different.

Any survivor with online access should know about
<http://www.strokeboard.net/>

David

Ed Huntress

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On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 11:09:47 -0500, "David R. Birch"
<dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:

>On 7/7/2013 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't "assess accomplishments" to measure IQ. It's a limited
>> measurement that's based upon relative scores in any of several
>> standardized tests. If you don't have enough people at the extreme
>> ends, you don't have the necessary statistical data to make a
>> measurement. On the high end, that happens somewhere around 185.
>>
>> The "extrapolations" are all theoretical. IQ is not. It's a concrete
>> measurement based upon statistical results.
>>
>> What *meaning* it has is the arguable point. There are arguments about
>> many aspects of it, as most people know.That's what keeps the PhD.s
>> who study intelligence up at night.
>
>A Psych prof of mine who specialized in intelligence testing had her own
>definition of intelligence: the ability to score well in intelligence tests.

<g> That's a little cynical, but it's a good start.

At this point we couldn't identify the specific effects of the stroke.
But the patterns haven't changed. He's been posting the same patterns,
and responding with similar logic, since 2001, that I know of.

George Plimpton

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Jul 7, 2013, 12:26:40 PM7/7/13

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On 7/7/2013 7:58 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 00:50:55 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 01:50:51 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4rght8tto16fd15bg...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 18:20:54 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, the murder fantasies come out again. Gunner must be getting antsy
>>>>>>> from all of the old memories coming 'round to bite him in the butt....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Murder fantasies? Where were they?
>>>>
>>>> Sure! Your favorite hobby -- putting people on the "cull" list, and
>>>> then telling them how much you're going to enjoy watching them die.
>>
>> Yes and? As an observer...like visiting the zoo and watching the
>> monkeys throwing shit at each other and making shrieking sounds.
>>
>> Funny as hell.
>
> Right. That's your fantasy. To watch people you don't like being
> murdered. That's the rightard psychopathology that you share with so
> many others here.
>
> Some want to do it. Others, the cowards, just want to watch.

It's a murder fantasy any way it's defined. gummer advocates for it,
and he doesn't have the guts to participate in it. If it ever were to
come to pass, it would be dirty and messy and difficult, and gummer
likes to portray himself as not shying away from that sort of task. The
fact that gummer goes to great lengths here to try to distance himself
from the actual carrying out of the task tells us all we need to know
about him.

And all about the <chortle> "cull," too.

>>>>
>>>> Listen, asshole, you've dug yourself a hole deep enough to bury a
>>>> horse, and now you're pretending you're stupid. I don't doubt that
>>>> some of that is true, but, as usual, you aren't fooling anyone.
>>
>> Deep hole?
>
> Yeah. Deep enough that it's anthologized in a multi-edition online
> document.

Usenet is mostly self indulgent amusement, and I think kidding's "Cliff
Notes" on gummer is as good a form of amusement as any other out here;
probably better than most.

>> What..you think that because Im going to enjoy watching
>> the mass slaughter of the very people who are destroying my
>> country..my nation..my home....there is something wrong with that?
>
> Ah, yeah, enjoying watching mass slaughter is evidence of serious
> emotional problems.

It is, but this line of questioning didn't start as being a criticism.
In fact, what you said is that it's a murder fantasy, and gummer
attempted to demur: "Murder fantasies? Where were they?" Now, he's
implicitly acknowledging that they're murder fantasies, and he's
switched to asking what's wrong with them.

> You would have made a great death-camp guard in WWII. You could enjoy
> the bonfires built from all those people who were "destroying their
> country." They had exectly the same frame of mind that you do.

I think death-camp guard is as close as gummer could get to harming
another person. I think he's a craven coward, and would flee from
combat or a fight against anyone except a half-starved prisoner.

>>
>> Think again Eddie...think again.
>>
>>
>> Tsk tsk tsk.....what..feel a cold chill run up your spine?
>
> It's more like wanting to puke.

Get a grip on yourself. As loathsome as gummer's words are, it's still
nothing but comedy.

>> Something wrong Ed? Ive not added your name to the List.
>> But...perhaps someone else has. Shrug
>>
>> Only time will tell.

There is no "list."

George Plimpton

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On 7/7/2013 9:09 AM, David R. Birch wrote:
> On 7/7/2013 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>>
>> You don't "assess accomplishments" to measure IQ. It's a limited
>> measurement that's based upon relative scores in any of several
>> standardized tests. If you don't have enough people at the extreme
>> ends, you don't have the necessary statistical data to make a
>> measurement. On the high end, that happens somewhere around 185.
>>
>> The "extrapolations" are all theoretical. IQ is not. It's a concrete
>> measurement based upon statistical results.
>>
>> What *meaning* it has is the arguable point. There are arguments about
>> many aspects of it, as most people know.That's what keeps the PhD.s
>> who study intelligence up at night.
>
> A Psych prof of mine who specialized in intelligence testing had her own
> definition of intelligence: the ability to score well in intelligence
> tests.

And that's about all the importance there is to Mensa.

>
>> No. FWIW, I've always been pretty good at guessing IQs. There's a good
>> correlation between those scores and a person's patterns of thought,
>> expressed in speaking or writing, and high IQs correspond to an
>> ability to weigh many facts at one time, high degrees of organization,
>> and the ability to organize many elements into a coherent narrative.

This is why I've never accepted that Obama is "brilliant", but I'm much
more willing to accept that both Bill and Hillary Clinton are much more
intelligent than Obama. And it has nothing to do with liking the policy
prescriptions of either of the Clintons better than Obama's - I think
all of them are wrong on policy. But the Clintons both speak
extemporaneously extremely well, especially Bill, and show evidence of
very quick comprehension.

>> There also is the matter of insight, which is much harder to judge
>> from one's speaking and writing. That's the kind of thing you're
>> talking about with the math and physics problems.
>>
>> I'm not talking about grammar or evidence of training as a speaker or
>> writer. The point is, high intelligence evidences itself, even among
>> semi-literate speakers and writers, in the way the content of their
>> communication is organized.
>>
>> It's far from perfect but after speaking with someone or reading their
>> thoughts for a while, I often can make a close stab at their IQ -- in
>> those cases where they know it and will tell you honestly.
>
> I used to think that, too, until I started spending lots of time among
> Mensans and realized how many very intelligent people were not raised in
> environments that supported and encouraged their development.

Mensa is nonsense. As noted, the criterion for acceptance is nothing
but a score test.

David R. Birch

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On 7/7/2013 11:44 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 7/7/2013 9:09 AM, David R. Birch wrote:

>> A Psych prof of mine who specialized in intelligence testing had her own
>> definition of intelligence: the ability to score well in intelligence
>> tests.
>
> And that's about all the importance there is to Mensa.

Yes. Few Ms take it very seriously, which makes it hard to find
candidates for the local Executive Committee. I volunteer to be Election
Chair, which protects me from being lobbied by the Nominating Committee.

The other member of the Election Committee is the Sofa, unless he
chooses to be the Ottoman.

> This is why I've never accepted that Obama is "brilliant", but I'm much
> more willing to accept that both Bill and Hillary Clinton are much more
> intelligent than Obama. And it has nothing to do with liking the policy
> prescriptions of either of the Clintons better than Obama's - I think
> all of them are wrong on policy. But the Clintons both speak
> extemporaneously extremely well, especially Bill, and show evidence of
> very quick comprehension.

Bill had executive experience, Barry only got to community organizer
before 7 of 9 put him in Congress.

>>> There also is the matter of insight, which is much harder to judge
>>> from one's speaking and writing. That's the kind of thing you're
>>> talking about with the math and physics problems.
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about grammar or evidence of training as a speaker or
>>> writer. The point is, high intelligence evidences itself, even among
>>> semi-literate speakers and writers, in the way the content of their
>>> communication is organized.
>>>
>>> It's far from perfect but after speaking with someone or reading their
>>> thoughts for a while, I often can make a close stab at their IQ -- in
>>> those cases where they know it and will tell you honestly.
>>
>> I used to think that, too, until I started spending lots of time among
>> Mensans and realized how many very intelligent people were not raised in
>> environments that supported and encouraged their development.
>
> Mensa is nonsense. As noted, the criterion for acceptance is nothing
> but a score test.

Yup, but we take our nonsense seriously, thankyouverymuch, not to
mention out heavy duty whimsy.

It sounds like you didn't quite meet that criterion for acceptance. Sour
grapes, eh?

The criterion for the Tall Club is that you be above a certain height.
Maybe they get tired of talking down to people, Mensans do.

David

David R. Birch

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On 7/7/2013 11:26 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 11:09:47 -0500, "David R. Birch"
> <dbi...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/7/2013 9:37 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:

>>> What *meaning* it has is the arguable point. There are arguments about
>>> many aspects of it, as most people know.That's what keeps the PhD.s
>>> who study intelligence up at night.
>>
>> A Psych prof of mine who specialized in intelligence testing had her own
>> definition of intelligence: the ability to score well in intelligence tests.
>
> <g> That's a little cynical, but it's a good start.

Realism is too often mistaken for cynicism.

Also, she was a hot redhead!!

>> It is very possible that Gunner's communication skills haven't changed
>> much since his stroke, but stroke survivors often suffer a decrease in
>> cognitive ability that is not subjectively apparent. This is a lot less
>> obvious to the survivor than memory loss, but associated with it.
>
> At this point we couldn't identify the specific effects of the stroke.
> But the patterns haven't changed. He's been posting the same patterns,
> and responding with similar logic, since 2001, that I know of.

I guess I'm not up on Gunner lore, when was his stroke?

David

Ed Huntress

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Jul 7, 2013, 1:31:35 PM7/7/13

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On Sun, 07 Jul 2013 12:26:27 -0500, "David R. Birch"

I don't remember exactly. Maybe three or four years ago. It followed a
heart attack and surgery.

--
Ed Huntress

Existential Angst

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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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So you plan on eliminating the species??
The rain forests -- and their inhabiting species -- will thank you.
--
EA

George Plimpton

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On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 01:47:01 -0400, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>>
>> No worry for Gunner, though. <g> When people atart bragging about
>> their IQ, the only thing certain is that they're full of crap.
>
>Yet Kidding's tales are copacetic, eh?
>At least Gummer's stuff is entertaining.

Gunner takes a bow.