Exactly how do liberals/progressives go about discussion of stories that
do not bode well for them? (cross posted at Right Wing News)
1. Ignore the story – pretend it is not happening, or deflect like
crazy.
2. Find some sort of moral equivalence or a story from 30 years ago
saying a Conservative did something sort of similar.
3. Come up with some conspiracy theories. This is usually the most
amusing part, reading and hearing all the strange stuff they come up
with in their reality based chat rooms.
4. Blame Conservatives for bringing the truth to light. How dare
they do dat!!!!
5. Concoct strange defenses based on wild psychological discourse,
which no one understands, including the writer, but it sounds good, and
allows a liberal/progressive to say there is no problem.
6. Whine about the discussion of the topic, proclaiming that it
means nothing, and why aren’t we talking about X? This is usually the
point where Liberals/progressives truly understand how bad the issue
really is for them, typically when even the NY Times cannot ignore it,
so, now they want to have an in-depth discussion on the point of the
Iraq War, which you have had 1,000 times, but, they strangely have never
had.
Alternately, this is the point where some liberals realize that
they did not receive their talking points emails, so haven’t a friggin’
clue how to respond.
7. Declare victory! Those dastardly Conservatives have been proven
wrong again, and why do you keep asking so many questions?
8. Ignore the issue. It never happened. This is similar to the 10
Stages Of Success. See below the fold.
Many may wonder why the irrational seething, virulent vitriol and
disgusting language, personal attacks, and abject hatred has not been
mentioned. Well, this of course is the natural state of the modern
liberal/progressive, and can not only occur at any time, but will occur
throughout any discussion. It is a pervasive state of nature for those
on the Left.
The Three Stages of Right-Wing Discussions When They Are Shown To Be Wrong.
1. Declare their opponents to be mentally ill.
2. Label them buffoons ( or something similar) Optional: add idiotic "laugh laugh" comment
3. "Threaten" them with imminent violent death in some imaginary nationwide mass murder.
That's all.
Just three steps.
They're pretty simple, y'know.
Well... *one* of them at least.
--
Jeff R.
you forgot to add:
splitting hairs over semantics or minor mis-spelling and cut and
paste pages and pages of nosense to prove it
and when that doesn't work back to threats of violence
I should have placed a nice big money bet that Jeffy would pop up his
pointed widdle head and dance around in rage...like a yorkie when he
spots a big ol german shepherd walking past the house.
Laugh laugh laugh! Crom but he is a rabid little bastard isnt he?
<VBG>
Gunner
Yep, you had to go an demonstrate the truth of the original 8
points.
toodles
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Rock is Dead! --- Long live Paper & Scissors!
Oh, who do you think you're fooling, Pyotr? Jeff nailed Gunner the RCM
Welfare Queen to a "t." That's exactly what he does, and you know it
perfectly well. Gunner can't talk to anyone who disagrees with without
calling him "mentally ill," a "buffoon," etc.
There are limits to how stupid you can pretend to be without looking
ridiculous. You're over the line.
--
Ed Huntress
You forgot to add that a US liberal/progressive in world terms is just a
tad left of Ghengis Khan, whilst US right wing/non progressives are just
a tad to the left of Adolf Hitler.
>>
>> Many may wonder why the irrational seething, virulent vitriol and
>> disgusting language, personal attacks, and abject hatred has not been
>> mentioned. Well, this of course is the natural state of the modern
>> liberal/progressive, and can not only occur at any time, but will occur
>> throughout any discussion. It is a pervasive state of nature for those
>> on the Left.
>
>You forgot to add that a US liberal/progressive in world terms is just a
>tad left of Ghengis Khan, whilst US right wing/non progressives are just
>a tad to the left of Adolf Hitler.
Actually...no. Hitler was a Socialist/Fascist just like US liberals.
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
I suppose you fail to see the colossal irony of your oh-so-predictable response.
(You forgot the death threat.)
No rage here, BTW. Just gentle bemusement.
--
Jeff R.
(picked him like a nose)
Laugh laugh laugh...it pissed you off no end. And it was quite true
indeed.
You verified it with your first post..and your second.
<VBG>
What a fucking buffoon you are.
<VBG>
Gunner
...and still you don't get it.
You'd be funny if you weren't so sad.
--
Jeff R.
(still waiting for the death threat - a little disappointed)
can you possibly be that uneducated?
Yes he can, but you have to give him some points because he works very
hard at it.
> 3. Come up with some conspiracy theories. This is usually the most
> amusing part, reading and hearing all the strange stuff they come up
> with in their reality based chat rooms.
can you say gumby and his birther postings?
He doesn't get irony, you can tell because the further from reality he
gets the more belligerent he gets.
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:setb67llgq8k74c9v...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Laugh laugh laugh...it pissed you off no end. And it was quite true
>> indeed.
>>
>> You verified it with your first post..and your second.
>>
>> <VBG>
>>
>> What a fucking buffoon you are.
>>
>> <VBG>
>>
>> Gunner
>
>...and still you don't get it.
>
>You'd be funny if you weren't so sad.
<VBG>
And you would be executed as a Marxist if it became fashionable.
Lets hope it doesnt.
Gunner
Actually Jackoff..it appears that you are indeed..that uneducated.
Pity that you continue..day after day..to show just how stupid...you
really are.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic
system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf
Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
http://democraticpeace.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/hitler-was-a-socialist/
Chapter VII:
In 1919-20 and also in 1921 I attended some of the bourgeois
[capitalist] meetings. Invariably I had the same feeling towards these
as towards the compulsory dose of castor oil in my boyhood days. . . .
And so it is not surprising that the sane and unspoiled masses shun
these ‘bourgeois mass meetings’ as the devil shuns holy water.
Chapter 4:
The folkish philosophy is fundamentally distinguished from the
Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the
significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made
these the pillars of its structure. These are the most important factors
of its view of life. ?
If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the
fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely
varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the
majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with
Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right
to call itself a philosophy of life. If the social programme of the
movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude
in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison
of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.
Chapter XII:
The National Socialist Movement, which aims at establishing the
National Socialist People’s State, must always bear steadfastly in mind
the principle that every future institution under that State must be
rooted in the movement itself.
Some other quotes:
Hitler, spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930:
I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your
rich friend, Count Reventlow. . . . What you understand by Socialism is
nothing more than Marxism.
On this, see Alan Bullock, Hitler: a Study in Tyranny, pp.156-7; and
Graham L. Strachan “MANUFACTURED REALITY: THE ‘THIRD WAY’”
Gregor Strasser, National Socialist theologian, said:
We National Socialists are enemies, deadly enemies, of the present
capitalist system with its exploitation of the economically weak … and
we are resolved under all circumstances to destroy this system.
F.A. Hayek in his Road to Serfdom (p. 168) said:
The connection between socialism and nationalism in Germany was
close from the beginning. It is significant that the most important
ancestors of National Socialism—Fichte, Rodbertus, and Lassalle—are at
the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism. …. From 1914 onward
there arose from the ranks of Marxist socialism one teacher after
another who led, not the conservatives and reactionaries, but the
hard-working laborer and idealist youth into the National Socialist
fold. It was only thereafter that the tide of nationalist socialism
attained major importance and rapidly grew into the Hitlerian doctrine.
See also his chapter 12: “The Socialist Roots of Naziism.”
Von Mises in his Human Action (p. 171) said:
There are two patterns for the realization of socialism. The first
pattern (we may call it the Lenin or Russian pattern) . . . . the second
pattern (we may call it the Hindenburg or German Pattern) nominally and
seemingly preserves private ownership of the means of production and
keeps the appearance of ordinary markets, prices, wages, and interest
rates. There are, however, no longer entrepreneurs, but only shop
managers … bound to obey unconditionally the orders issued by
government.
This is precisely how Hitler governed when he achieved dictatorial
power.
What...you didnt "know" that you and Hitler shared the same political
goals?
Everyone else did. Its amazing how you Leftwingers seem to tune out the
bad parts of your agendas....blindly blithering about how you are so
much better than everyone else...yet your comrades murdered 225,000,000
people in the past 90 yrs.
No wonder you hatefilled bastards are called mentally ill.
Because...like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot...you
really...really...really ARE.
Gunner
>On Sep 5, 8:30 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
All anyone wants..is some proof your claims are valid.
So far..you hate filled socialists have refused to prove them.
So most folks are really starting to wonder......
<VBG>
Oh..btw...how does it feel to know your name is on the List?
<VBG>
Of all the people that post on this group,and many of yours are a
result of crossposting, your are far and away the most hate filled.You
spend a lot of time pointing out the atrocities of Hitler ,Pol Pot
etc, You compare anybody who disagrees with you to Hitler etc, and the
your solution is exactly the same as Hitler's and buy your own
statements for exactly the same reasons. Some body,usually a thinking
person, is destroying your perfect little fantasy world and so they
need to be removed, your version is the great cull. So if it doesn't
strain your brain cell too much please explain why you are any
different the Pol Pot, who also found thinking people to be an
annoyance, of from Stalin who found people with differing political
views to be a threat,and therefore needed to be removed.
Don't worry I don't take your insults personally, I know you can't
help it .
you are actually just as credible as some masked idiot on a wrestling
show babbling about how he will kill someone in Saturday night. If the
only way you can attract attention is by making an abject fool of
yourself then enjoy the fame.
you are actually just as credible as some masked idiot on a wrestling
show babbling about how he will kill someone in Saturday night. If the
only way you can attract attention is by making an abject fool of
yourself then enjoy the fame, the rest of us are enjoying laughing at
you.
>On Sep 7, 9:39 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm
Think it wont happen here?
<VBG>
What's the matter did I touch a raw nerve?
Once again you prove my point with your eloquence, you have no
understanding of what you rant on about, you throw around words and
phrases like you are repeating memorized texts from some religious
text ,and as soon as anything is said that may cause you to question
the "truth" of your mythology you resort to the same methods as the
people you despise - or maybe you really secretly admire them - you
threaten death and violence against them, because if we can just get
rid of "these types" then the world will be just dandy again. Your
garden of Eden never existed and you can't recreate it just by killing
off those you think of as the serpent.
Id strongly suggest you try this argument on the people who come to kill
you. It may work. Or it may not.
Shrug...no matter to me whatsoever.
Ill be snuggly laid up at my homestead in a nice red county..and
cheering on those turning you poor bastards into street decorations.
Gunner Asch
These people you so admire that are coming to kill off your
undesirables,what's to stop them considering your as an undesirable -
you may not be pure enough for them - and therefore will also need to
go.
Thats actually a pretty good question! Bravo for actually using your
brain for more than drug testing media!
1. Ive lived in this town since 1983
2. Im pretty well known. Its not a big town.
3. Im quite active in the community.
4. Im rangemaster at one of the local gun clubs
5. I fly an American flag from a 24' flagpole every day out in front of
the house
6. All my rolling stock has NRA stickers as does the front window of my
house.
7.I have Burglars Will Be Shot signs in the cactus garden
8.I have a very large group of friends..all rather well armed
9.I live in a deep red county..so what makes you think we will have any
killings here? Even the Democrats here are hunters/shooters
10. We all tend to be rather libertarian/conservative..
Had the KKK try recruiting once..they were run out of town by the
citizens. Funny as hell to watch a bunch of good old boys (black,white
and brown....and Tang..vietnamese) all running pickup trucks..gun
barrels seen in sillouette..riding behind a Chevy Suburban loaded with
Klanners..."escorting" them out of town..with the local cops sitting on
the hoods of their cars smiling and waving, as the parade went by.
Folks here simply dont care who you are, what you are, or what you do.
But none take well to Leftwingers. Even the local Community College has
a rather large..majority..of conservative professors..with the liberals
being represented by the gays who teach hair cutting and setting class.
No one pays any attention to them..not even negatively. No body cares
who or what you are, unless you start babbling about Socialism and
Workers Rights and all that fancy leftwing buffoonery. We even have a
few union guys here. But..its oil field unions...no leftwingers need
apply.
Dont you wish you could live in a nice place like this?
The whole county is bright shining red. Look it up...Kern Co.
California.
Makes you proud to be an American, it does!
Gunner
> 5 times Ive been right out of 5 times and the Cull is #6..and its not
> happened yet. So..shrug...I cant state time or date. The gift doesnt
> work that way. If it did...Id be able to make bets on them...but it
> doesnt work that way. Unfortunately.
So - just as a matter of interest - what were the five things you were right about?
--
Jeff R.
>On Sep 8, 1:51锟絧m, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 06:49:37 -0700 (PDT), Just Me
>>
>> <mutantmachin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Thats actually a pretty good question! 锟紹ravo for actually using your
>> >> brain for more than drug testing media!
>>
>> >> 1. Ive lived in this town since 1983
>> >> 2. Im pretty well known. Its not a big town.
>> >> 3. Im quite active in the community.
>> >> 4. Im rangemaster at one of the local gun clubs
>> >> 5. I fly an American flag from a 24' flagpole every day out in front of
>> >> the house
>> >> 6. All my rolling stock has NRA stickers as does the front window of my
>> >> house.
>> >> 7.I have Burglars Will Be Shot signs in the cactus garden
>> >> 8.I have a very large group of friends..all rather well armed
>> >> 9.I live in a deep red county..so what makes you think we will have any
>> >> killings here? 锟紼ven the Democrats here are hunters/shooters
>> >> 10. We all tend to be rather libertarian/conservative..
>>
>> >I would bet that your undesirables could say the same ,all 10 points,
>> >but somewhere you and your mad cullers will decide that so and so
>> >isn't sufficiently one of us and boom off they go.
>> >Same question - what's to stop them deciding you aren't sufficiently
>> >"one of us" ??
>>
>> I answered it above in detail. 锟絋he folks around here..are not insane.
>> Hence we are a nicely red area.
>>
>> >All these people you say you despise but so seem to want to emulate
>> >started the same ,just one group,then another then another and before
>> >you know it they were eating their own, How do stop yourself being
>> >eaten?
>>
>> Which people might those be?
>>
>The people you so seem to want to emulate are, specifically,to name
>just a few -
>Pol Pot - his problem was he didn't much like intellectuals,can't have
>critical thinking. Kill them all - problem solved- except it wasn't
>Joesph Stalin - one his problem was he didn't much like people with
>differing political views, people thinking again-Kill them all -
>problem solved- except it wasn't.
>Timothy McVeigh - he just didn't think,Kill them all - problem
>solved- except it wasn't
>And of course the thugs that blew up the WTC - again people who think
>the only way to fix social & government problems is to kill off those
>whom you deem they be at the root of these problems, if we could just
>rid the world of this type of thinking the all will be just peachy.
>For someone who preaches a grasp of historical events you really don't
>seem to have much grasp.
Odd that you dont understand the concept of Observation..do you?
Ive not said I wanted to Emulate those Leftwingers who killed
235,000,000 of their fellow citizens.
Ive only said its going to happen to even more Leftwingers. Now..there
are a few of you that should be taken out and killed indeed. But they
dont number in those quantities.
On the other hand...its interesting that you remain a Leftwinger..when
your heros have killed that huge number of people..isnt it?
Why are you still a leftwinger..when your arch leaders are such
murderous bastards?
When the People rise up and murder you guys..it will be in self
defense..not in any sort of Leftwing Policy agenda.
Sucks to be you...doesnt it?
Gunner
So you really arnt a baby raper..you only Seem to be?
Now dont be bad mouthing Uncle Joe purges. He was a proper Leftwinger
and only did what Leftwingers have done for a century.
Which is why it will simply be self defense when you are killed.
>The thing with you is you don't have the balls to actually participate
>or the ability to organize so you just set here and pretend knowledge
>of things beyond you
So how long have you lived in my home? Met me personally?
<VBG>
None of the above. Which simply means you are stamping your widdle
feetsies and spewing that which you know nothing about. You are damaged
goods and obviously mentally ill. Which means putting you down will be a
good thing. We do it for damaged animals and consider it humane.
Putting down a pit yorkie like you will be viewed as a humane and kindly
thing to do.
>
>>
>> Ive only said its going to happen to even more Leftwingers. Now..there
>> are a few of you that should be taken out and killed indeed. But they
>> dont number in those quantities.
>
> Doesn't really matter the number what you are doing is calling
>for,or at least hoping for genocide. the extermination of a specific
>group of people.
But of course! You have no problem with the extermination of your
fellow national socialists..the nazis..do you? So extermination is not
all a bad thing, when those exterminated are inhuman animals and damaged
goods. Like Leftwingers.
>
>>
>> Sucks to be you...doesnt it?
>
> correction : Sucks to be Gunner doesn't it.
Actually..no.
Ill be at home on the homestead..and you will be rolling along the
ground as the dozers push you and your compadres into a ditch.
Whats to suck about that?
<VBG>
Gunner
>>
>> >> Sucks to be you...doesnt it?
>>
>> > correction : Sucks to be Gunner doesn't it.
>>
>> Actually..no.
>>
>> Ill be at home on the �homestead..and you will be rolling along the
>> ground as the dozers push you and your compadres into a ditch.
>>
>> Whats to suck about that?
>>
>> <VBG>
>>
>> Gunner
>
>
>sucks that you have finally realized how insignificant you are and
>that you have to spend your time in violent fantasies.
>
Of course Im insignificant! Whatever gave you the...ah! No..sorry
Jocko..Im not a Leftwinger..so I dont have any of those pyschotic
beliefs that Im a god, or can make water part, make rules for an entire
nation...etc etc etc. Only your sort of people have them. Shrug. Its
part of what makes Lefties tick.
However..Ill be insignificant and alive..and you will be insignificant
and dead.
I think Ill have the better role...dont you?
Gunner
>On Sep 11, 4:32 am, Deucalion <some...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:13:17 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Jack Rabbit <ja...@rock.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >>On Sep 10, 4:01 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> Many may wonder why the irrational seething, virulent vitriol and
>> >>> disgusting language, personal attacks, and abject hatred has not been
>> >>> mentioned.
>>
>> >>you do recognize that in yourself, don't you?
>>
>> >Of course! Using the Lefts tools against them does have its moments of
>> >enjoyment. But...overuse makes one feel dirty...like one has been
>> >fondled by a street derelect. So I dont use it much.
>>
>> >So I take it you do rather enjoy being fondled by street derelects,
>> >based on your posting history, right?
>>
>> You project the strangest fantasies gunner.
>
>seems he has a thing for being fondling by street derelects ... just
>one of his masochistic sex fantasies along with his love of hanging
>dogs.
Lets see...the mental case came up with 4 absurd lies in a single
sentence. Not his best work..but not bad.
Ill give it a 7.2
Keep up the Leftwing work!
Someday you might be a presidential Candidate...well...no...you wont.
But you might in the next world!
Gunner
So are you, pond scum..so are you. Whenever I see you responding to my
posts..I simply get a chuckle out of bashing you and watching the lame
responses you manage.
<VBG>
Gunner
The most salient fact about Gunner is that he, himself, does not live up
to his own standards. It appears from the internet that essentially his
whole life has been a failure and a lie, while he crowed about his
self-made successes, his big ranch, etc. He often condemned "useless
eaters," but he himself is a medically indigent "welfare leach," living
in little better than a shack on the edge of nowhere. He calls men far
better than himself cowards or worse, while repeatedly and falsely
claiming military combat service and honors that he did not earn. Any
"cull" should, by rights, start with him.
Ah, correction. That's "Welfare Queen." "Leach" is so insulting. <g>
> He calls men far better than himself cowards or worse, while repeatedly
> and falsely claiming military combat service and honors that he did not
> earn. Any "cull" should, by rights, start with him.
Oh, it probably will. But don't tell him. It's better if it's a big
surprise.
--
Ed Huntress
Nope, I don't believe in that sort of thing. Moreover, he's not worth
the effort, nor would I want any such personal harm to come to him from
anyone else, he's got enough trouble as it is. He probably won't be
called to account in this life, unless someone pursues the Stolen Valor
thing, but he'll have plenty to answer for in the next.
It being the 10th anniversary of 9/11, my mind was on my experiences
back at the World Trade Center, and on on my friend and co-worker who
died fighting in Afghanistan, and I let myself vent a bit of anger at
Mr. I Got Three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, whereas I usually regard him
with mere contempt on those rare occasions I am reminded of his
continued pathetic existence at all.