Should I move to Idaho?
Gunner Asch
largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
its Rust Belt.
And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
Id like to ask you folks for your input.
Some prelims...
Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.
Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
etc.
Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do. I detest retail work, paper
work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
the paycheck.
Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
the job and ask for another.
So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
here for 30+ yrs.
Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
focused on at the moment.
If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
in..Id be happy to look at them.
I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug
So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.
Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
eating regularly.
Anyone?
Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
get there.
Gunner
hal
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>Anyone?
some nice Aryan Nations compounds in northern Idaho that should make
you feel right at home.
>Gunner
Strabo
Texas. It's a natural fit.
>
>
> Gunner
Observer
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
>in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
>its Rust Belt.
How can it be #3, if it's only behind Michigan?
AND, hey, you helped drain the state coffers.
>And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
Personality? Work ethic? Credit checks? Internet searches on your
name/nym?
>So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
>Id like to ask you folks for your input.
>
>Some prelims...
>
>Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.
Are you sure about the age? You've claimed various ages withing
weeks.
>Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
>level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
>can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
>electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
>etc.
I'm sure prospective employers would be looking for REAL
qualifications.
>Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do.
You can't seem to find the apostrophe key on your computer. It's
right next to that big ol' "ENTER" key and doesn't even require you
shift to invoke it.
>I detest retail work, paper
>work, suit and tie work.
>Im honest
NOPE!
>, motivated, self starter,
>experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
>others and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
>working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
>Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
>the paycheck.
Good at doing nothing.
>Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
>the job and ask for another.
I'd guess folks would die waiting for your completion of your first
task.
>So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
>here for 30+ yrs.
I'm sure your neighbors sould love it.
>Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
>focused on at the moment.
>
>If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
>in..Id be happy to look at them.
>
>I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug
I fugure you are good for less than 2. And NOT working.
>So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
>economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.
>
>Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
>that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
>eating regularly.
>
>Anyone?
>
>Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
>year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
>get there.
How about Hell? You've already paved a path there.
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
Jim Wilkins
> ...
> Anyone?
>
> Gunner
Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Scott
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<plonk>
Scott
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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Depends, there are a lot of opportunites, but the wages suck.
Hit Craigslist and the Idaho Employment website for an idea.
robert bowman
> some nice Aryan Nations compounds in northern Idaho that should make
> you feel right at home.
That got sued out of existence by the Keenans, backed by the SPLC, in 2000.
It's a peace park now.
robert bowman
> So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
> economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.
Depending on the area, you might find yourself neck deep in Stormin's
co-religionists. They're mostly good people, but some doors may be closed
to a gentile.
Boise is nice for a city that size, but it tends to rise and fall with the
semiconductor industry. The I15 and I84 corridors are where most of the
money is. The panhandle is nicer, IMHO, if you can live on scenery.
Ever read any of John Wesley, Rawles's stuff or his blog? He's big on north
central ID.
The parts of ID that I am most familiar with have a lot of trees, game, and
fish, but not much else unless you want to do a Sylvan Hart.
HH&C
Plenty of skinny dippin to do in all those hot springs.
Tim Wescott
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:03:19 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>>largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state in
>>the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with its
>>Rust Belt.
>>
>>And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>>
>>So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and Id
>>like to ask you folks for your input.
>
> You just listed a whole bunch of excuses about why you couldn't take a
> job offer from your friend Tom a couple of days ago. One of them was
> that you had too many things holding you to California. What happened
> in two days to change that?
>
> Stay out of Idaho. There are good decent people in Idaho and they don't
> deserve it.
Dangit, I was going to suggest Texas on the grounds that it's further
from Oregon, but there's decent people there, too.
I hear that Iran is pretty conservative these days. Anyone who
criticizes G.W. as a "western liberal" should be just Gunner's cup of tea.
Wait -- there's some decent people in Iran, too.
RAM�
news:mC%Om.11149$cX4....@newsfe10.iad...
>
> Texas. It's a natural fit.
>
>
That it is.
"The Patch" is still active, small entrepreneurs are opening machine shops
and companies that use machinery, etc.
Local regs may require a Master Electrician's cert for wiring, though...
BTW, NO State Income Tax and it's a Right To Work state! <grin>
Stupendous Man
of the state. I understand that many in other states don't like
Californians, but the ones they meet are quitters. We don't need them here
either.
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
hal
Texas would be OK if it wasn't full of Texans.
Do you know how they bury Texans?
They let out all the hot air and bullshit and put them in a shoebox.
Lib Loo
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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Alabama. With all of the car manufacturing that has moved there, it is the
next Detroit, without all of the poverty. Should be plenty of business for a
man with your talents. Plus deer season is several months long.
Alabama 2009 - 2010 Deer Season Dates
Bow Hunting - Oct 15th - Jan 31st
Muzzleloaders - Nov 16th - Nov 20th
Gun Season - Nov 21st - Jan 31st
Lib Loo
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
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Gunner Asch
Smack in the middle of the Rust Belt? Tell me why.
Gunner, raised in the UP and in Grayling, Michigan.
Gunner Asch
Alabama is on my "Look at list". Thanks!
Gunner
Gunner Asch
One thing Im concerned about ..Ive lived in California for 30 yrs...in
the high desert, where the humidity is hardly ever above 15%..and
often 8-10%. In the various trips Ive made servicing CNC
lathes..there have been several states where the humidity simply
curled my lungs inside out. Is Alabama one of those? Hot I dont
mind..hot and humid takes all the wind out of my sails.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>>largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
>>in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
>>its Rust Belt.
>
>Most of bio and resume snipped.
>
>>I detest retail work, paper
>>work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
>>experinced in job requirements and meeting them.
>
>If you don't already, learn industrial automation - computer and PLC
>programming and the hardware that goes between that and the machine.
>Most production facilites use one or the other or both. Needs come
>and go so you might get work on a contract basis without getting tied
>down.
>
>>So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
>>economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.
>>
>>Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
>>that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
>>eating regularly.
>>
>>Anyone?
>>
>>Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
>>year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
>>get there.
>
>Once you pick a spot, buy it as a bugout/retreat. Put in the
>permanent crops/permaculture stuff. Then get water, sanitation and a
>minimal shelter in place. Get known to the locals and make sure you
>have the right spot. Then just move to a moderatly prepared property
>and improve it while you are living there.
>
>I've been looking for a retirement place for a while. Three things
>come to mind about Idaho. The commercial activity is mostly around
>Boise which is flat and densely populated. The rural areas are pretty
>rural, so jobs are probably pretty scarce outside the city.
>
>Medical services are probably mostly clustered where the population is
>centered.
>
>How self-sufficient do you want to be? To me, food and energy are the
>top two areas to consider for self-sufficiency. Growing season is
>short. Heating budget is high. Potential for solar energy is low.
>
>I admit a bias for mountains and forests. Hardwoods east of the
>mississippi, evergreens west. That figures into amount and quality of
>firewood. Same for humidity/precipitaion which goes to gardening.
>Lately I've been looking into the northern parts of some of the
>southern states and maybe up into Kentucky/Tennessee. Well inland
>from the worse brunt of hurricanes. Small governements = reasonable
>tax load. Not a whole lot of growth (which I consider good). Still
>lots of rural land where two crops per year is possible and heating
>budget is reasonable.
>
>Of course I'm not worrying about earning an income after I retire. My
>needs are modest now and will be a lot less then. I'm counting on
>either my pension or social security to survive through the dollars
>meltdown. If both fail, then I'm down to providing what I need on my
>own. Of course everyone else will be in the same boat or worse.
Noted and thanks!
Gunner
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>I got out of a city 25 years ago, but I won't let the liberals chase me out
>of the state. I understand that many in other states don't like
>Californians, but the ones they meet are quitters. We don't need them here
>either.
I live 90 miles north of Los Angeles in a nice rural Red county. In
the middle of old oil fields and ag.
And the average wage here is something like $11 an hour..with
Californias huge debt load.
I simply work in the metro LA area...
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Noted! Thanks!
Gunner
>
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>If you don't already, learn industrial automation - computer and PLC
>programming and the hardware that goes between that and the machine.
>Most production facilites use one or the other or both. Needs come
>and go so you might get work on a contract basis without getting tied
>down.
Excellent IDEA. Ive done a smidge of such work, but its something I
really need to delve into further.
Thanks!
Gunner
Buerste
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:0voog5hadh8pur7b8...@4ax.com...
> California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
> largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
> in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
> its Rust Belt.
>
> And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>
> So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
> Id like to ask you folks for your input.
Decide where you want to go, let me know and I will find the closest
co-manufacturer, customer or supplier in my Rolodex of friends. The offer
for Cleveland is still open but I filled the cherry job I wanted you for but
I'll find a way to make room in the budget.
Imagine what it would be like for a libtard wanting to move to a new locale.
He would be inquiring about Cheese-Checks, HEAP, ADC, Workers Comp, Unions,
abortion clinics, sodomy laws and the closest ACLU office.
Gunner Asch
Thats sounds cool..but does it pay the bills?
<G>
Gunner
Gunner Asch
>
>"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>news:0voog5hadh8pur7b8...@4ax.com...
>> California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>> largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
>> in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
>> its Rust Belt.
>>
>> And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>>
>> So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
>> Id like to ask you folks for your input.
><snip>
>
>Decide where you want to go, let me know and I will find the closest
>co-manufacturer, customer or supplier in my Rolodex of friends. The offer
>for Cleveland is still open but I filled the cherry job I wanted you for but
>I'll find a way to make room in the budget.
The reason I passed..was you needed a guy Now..and Im not yet ready to
bail out. And I greatly apprciate the offer. And might take you up on
it.
Ive not had a service call in 2 weeks, had one the week before..and
they paid me a fraction of the bill. So its time I started looking
around for a new gig. Either here where my house is paid for..or
toss all to the winds and fly. And at my age..thats pretty damned
hard to do. Particularly since Im taking care of my ex..who has a long
long list of medical issues.
And of course my dogs/cats and what do I do with them? Some will
come..some would have to be killed. And thats a hard thing to do
unless its absolutely necessary. Shrug.
Next week they turn off my water and power if I dont get some bucks in
fast..and this close to Christmas..no one is buying tools or
machinery. So Im probably going to have to dig in the vaults and
peddle a few arms. If anyone has the money to buy them.
The wife has a green diamond wedding ring, that I bought her years
ago...and she mentioned selling it earlier this evening...I can get
about $5k wholsale for it..but thats one of the last things that Id
sell..its something she has loved deeply for many years.
Ill make out. I always do. If it wasnt for her..Id let em turn off the
power and simply rough it. Shrug. Guy came by today..he owes me
about $3k..and gave me $80. Whoopeee. Shrug.
Going to have another family over for Turkey day..hope it helps the
wife..she is suffering from Holiday depression..course the kids moved
to Florida a few weeks ago..and she cant work..so is not having a good
time of it.
Food we have. Critter food..thats more problematic. Going to spend a
chunk of that $80 for critter food for another week or two. Out of
propane for the forklift..so cant even unload the Lancer lathe I was
given yesterday..though I may sneak down and buy a gallon or two or
propane tommorow. Might have that much in the change tray in my work
truck. Propane here is over $3.45 a gallon...cringe.
Called several of my clients that still owe me money. "sorry..we cant
even make payroll..but if we get any in..we will send you what we can"
Shrug
>Imagine what it would be like for a libtard wanting to move to a new locale.
>He would be inquiring about Cheese-Checks, HEAP, ADC, Workers Comp, Unions,
>abortion clinics, sodomy laws and the closest ACLU office.
>
Ayup. And they want to make everyone equal to them.
No thanks
Gunner
Frank Gilliland
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
<0voog5hadh8pur7b8...@4ax.com>:
>California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
>in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
>its Rust Belt.
>
>And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>
>So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
>Id like to ask you folks for your input.
>
I think moving to Idaho would be good for you. Seriously. It would
give you a new perspective on things. People in Idaho are a whole
different breed of 'conservative' -- they actually have to work for a
living instead of bullshitting their way through life. They don't care
much for vet imposters or middle-aged tough-guys, so you'll have to
learn to keep your overly-opinionated mouth shut (unless you really
enjoy getting your ass kicked).
And none of us here in the NW like the waves of Californian refugees
we get every few years. Not to mention the crime that they bring with
them. IOW, you would be just another immigrant, most of whom usually
run back home a few years later, and those that can't afford to run
end up applying for welfare (if they qualify; I hear most don't).
Of course wherever you go you will have to deal with the elephant in
the room. Which is that California, even in this economic rut, is one
of the richest states in the nation; if you can't carve out a living
there then you got no business trying to take someone else's business
in a place where people work a hell of a lot harder than you ever did.
Because of that alone, the competition you bring will not be welcomed
with open arms.
And since Idaho is mostly a state of small towns, you will have to
EARN your credibility. Usually at an entry-level job. But most of
those are filled by illegal immigrants. Even the electricians and
welders and construction workers. Yes, even in Idaho. Especially in
the Southern parts where agriculture is the primary industry. Because,
and contrary to the doctrine of Rush, conservatives -love- illegal
grunts because they are cheap labor; what they -don't- want if for
those cheap laborers to have the right to vote.
When you finally realize that you are really late to the game, expect
to start your shinging new career in agriculture by sorting potatoes
at less-than-minimum wage (i.e, under the table; do that too long and
you'll lose your SS benefits). Oh, and you'll have to keep up with
23yo Juan if you want to keep your job.
Shrug.
But hey, at least you'll have your guns.... until your money runs out.
And you can still write bullshit stories on the internet about your
imaginary he-man exploits and your 22-inch schlong. I think they have
high-speed cable internet in the deep, dark regions of Idaho, don't
they? Well, if not then you can just go back to mail-order porn.
Your best chance would be up in the panhandle. Lots of trees, although
the logging industry is kinda on the rocks. Lots of mining towns, and
with the rising price of gold the unemployment rates in those towns
might even drop below 20%. Not just mining in those towns, either;
they shot one movie and Wallace and it could happen again (keep your
fingers crossed!). Lots of jobs in the tourist/service industries,
assuming you don't mind seasonal work, folding laundry, flipping
burgers, waxing skis, etc. Oh, and you should be thrilled that there
is a new resurgence of the neo-Nazi cult in Hayden; you and Mark
Fuhrman can BS about the good ol' days back in California!
Yeah, I think moving to Idaho would be a good experience for you.
Michael A. Terrell
After they let the hot air and bullshit out of you, you'll fit in a
thimble with enough room left over for 1000 lawyer hearts.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
hal
you commute into LA every day and you call yourself a survivalist?
>
>Gunner
hal
Ooie, ouch. Gee. It's like being in grade school again.
Jim Wilkins
>
> >Grand Rapids, Michigan.
>
> Smack in the middle of the Rust Belt? Tell me why.
>
> Gunner, raised in the UP and in Grayling, Michigan.
There's evidence that your biggest admirer clhuprich does or did live
there.
robert bowman
> Not just mining in those towns, either;
> they shot one movie and Wallace and it could happen again (keep your
> fingers crossed!). Lots of jobs in the tourist/service industries,
> assuming you don't mind seasonal work, folding laundry, flipping
> burgers, waxing skis, etc.
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/ID-Quirky.html
Maybe tour guide at the whorehouse museum in Wallace? At least they made a
go of it; a similar project in Butte failed, as do most things in Butte.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
>in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
>its Rust Belt.
>
>And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>
>So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
>Id like to ask you folks for your input.
>
>Some prelims...
>
>Im 56yrs old, had some medical issues, now largely resolved.
>
>Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
>level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
>can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
>electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
>etc.
Based on many of your posts here, you're clearly exaggerating your
experience and skill.
>Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do.
Except for easy mechanical stuff, eh? Like figuring out if an engine
problem is fuel or spark...
> I detest retail work, paper
>work, suit and tie work. Im honest, motivated, self starter,
Nobody with those attributes ends up with a record like this one
http://tinyurl.com/d7hkkp.
>experinced in job requirements and meeting them. I deal well with
>others
On what planet does fantasizing about "the great cull" count as
dealing well with others?
> and can supervise others well. However..Ive spent my life
>working as an individual technician and dont fit well in a herd.
>Shrug. Im good at what I do..far too many out there simply sucking on
>the paycheck.
Here's a job hunting tip - don't criticize others right after you've
talked about how well you get along with everybody.
>Give me a task, tell me where the parts are..and go away. Ill finish
>the job and ask for another.
Nope. Leave you alone and you'll skulk off to the nearest computer. If
not for your kind of slacking, punch clocks would never have been
invented, and drill-sergeant supervisors would be jobless.
>So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
>here for 30+ yrs.
Bailiff closing in? About f*&king time!
>Idaho is simply one of the states Im considering but the one Im
>focused on at the moment.
>
>If anyone has suggestions for other states..feel free to toss em
>in..Id be happy to look at them.
Nigeria
>I figure Im good for another 15-20 yrs working. Shrug
Remember after your first heart event, you said you were good to go?
Then came rounds 2 and 3. Take a hint from that: don't ever get too
far from an emergency room.
>So anyone have any good or bad things to say about Idaho? Its
>economy, chances for growth and employment and so forth.
>
>Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
>that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
>eating regularly.
>
>Anyone?
>
>Im not moving tommorow, next week or next month. Next
>year...shrug...gotta have someplace to go, before figuring out how to
>get there.
If you were serious about moving, you'd be working towards that.
Instead you posted 900 times last week to one newsgroup alone, and
probably as much again to all the others. Now you're going to write a
few hundred more about a fantasy move? Hilarious.
Wayne
hal
<w�renut@NOSPAM�cehouse.net> wrote:
>But hey, at least you'll have your guns.... until your money runs out.
>And you can still write bullshit stories on the internet about your
>imaginary he-man exploits and your 22-inch schlong. I think they have
>high-speed cable internet in the deep, dark regions of Idaho, don't
>they? Well, if not then you can just go back to mail-order porn.
>
>Your best chance would be up in the panhandle. Lots of trees, although
>the logging industry is kinda on the rocks. Lots of mining towns, and
>with the rising price of gold the unemployment rates in those towns
>might even drop below 20%. Not just mining in those towns, either;
>they shot one movie and Wallace and it could happen again (keep your
>fingers crossed!). Lots of jobs in the tourist/service industries,
>assuming you don't mind seasonal work, folding laundry, flipping
>burgers, waxing skis, etc. Oh, and you should be thrilled that there
>is a new resurgence of the neo-Nazi cult in Hayden; you and Mark
>Fuhrman can BS about the good ol' days back in California!
>
>Yeah, I think moving to Idaho would be a good experience for you.
Yikes!
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<w�renut@NOSPAM�cehouse.net> wrote:
<chuckle>
Gummy's best chance might be to start a bidding war among
destinations, to see who will pay the most to make him stay out of
their community. Perhaps that's why he mentioned that his fandamily
will be accompanying him. Which is sure to send a chill up the spine
of any county's comptroller.
Wayne
CanopyCo
>
> One thing Im concerned about ..Ive lived in California for 30 yrs...in
> the high desert, where the humidity is hardly ever above 15%..and
> often 8-10%. In the various trips Ive made servicing CNC
> lathes..there have been several states where the humidity simply
> curled my lungs inside out. Is Alabama one of those? Hot I dont
> mind..hot and humid takes all the wind out of my sails.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Then forget anyplace that has trees and any kind of summer.
You need desert to avoid humidity.
CanopyCo
Good grief dude, you aren’t really trying to pass off this resume on
people that know you are you?
Just how long has it been since you put in a 40 hour week for 8 weeks
in a row?
You do realize that jobs require 40 hours weeks every week every month
until you quit or are fired.
I expect that it has been years since you put in even two 40 hour
weeks in a row.
The entire nation is loosing jobs, and you want to move to a place
where you have to pay rent and then find a job that will not peter out
on you in a month or so?
Good luck with that.
Did you ever look at doing peace work in your machine shop?
Putting adds on crags list looking for contracts in areas that you say
you can work?
Not just locally, but nationally, considering that you can ship the
end result just like everyone else does.
Look at advertising gun smiting, computer repair (you say you can do
board level repair so computer repair should be a snap), machining
peace rate, construction remodeling contracts, electrician contacts
(even as a helper subcontracting to a licensed electrician), ect.
None of the burger places hiring?
They would keep your electric on.
What happened to your survival stash?
I lasted 2 years on mine, while applying for disability.
You dieing off already?
The oil field is always hiring deck hands.
Oklahoma is one of the best spots in the nation job wise, with Tulsa
and Oklahoma City being on all the good lists.
In Tulsa the place that make toilet paper is always hiring night shift
fork lift drivers.
Pays $8 a hour on a 40 hour week and requires you to work 15 minutes
each morning and 30 minutes each evening off the clock in addition to
the paid 40 hour week.
All the temp places are hiring with a average of $8 a hour for what
normally paid $15 a hour when things was good, back before Bush.
The factory across the road from my families farm commonly hires
people with your skills, that can fix machine shops.
They pay $10 a hour and require you to work a 40 hour week, every
week, building pallets and shipping parts all day long if no machine
needs fixed.
CanopyCo
wrote:
> When you finally realize that you are really late to the game, expect
> to start your shinging new career in agriculture by sorting potatoes
> at less-than-minimum wage (i.e, under the table; do that too long and
> you'll lose your SS benefits).
No worries there, considering that he hasn’t paid taxes in years.
SS benefits are based on taxable income, mostly in the last 15 years.
Curly Surmudgeon
Except Gummer would have to live there 9 months before getting benefits
and pay taxes.
Pay taxes.
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Regards, Curly
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Curly Surmudgeon
<wïrenut@NOSPAMïcehouse.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:03:19 -0800, Gunner Asch
> <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in
> <0voog5hadh8pur7b8...@4ax.com>:
> ..far too many out there simply sucking on
>>the paycheck.
As if that is worse than sucking on the government teat that Gummer
abuses the working poor for.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 2:22�am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Reeellllly?
I still have family and friends there. Bikers some of them. And one
Family that keeps a nice place down on Higgins Lake...Funny last
name...Scillian ancestry...
Find out who and were he lives..it would be very handy to have.
Oh hell yes..indeedy.
<VBG>
Keep it in mind..might make it worth your while.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
wrote:
It was 3 months ago that job ended. When I took down Ceromet MPP in
Anaheim. Took me 4 months of 60 hour weeks to clean out that factory.
>You do realize that jobs require 40 hours weeks every week every month
>until you quit or are fired.
>I expect that it has been years since you put in even two 40 hour
>weeks in a row.
Seems that once again..your buffoonery bites you in the ass. After
having it happen time and time again...why do you keep doing this
bullshit? Or are you in it because you are a masochist and get a nut
when people kick your ass?
>The entire nation is loosing jobs, and you want to move to a place
>where you have to pay rent and then find a job that will not peter out
>on you in a month or so?
>Good luck with that.
So no states are doing ok? Then you are claiming that Obama really isnt
giving us Hope and Change?
>
>Did you ever look at doing peace work in your machine shop?
Ayup. Got cards in all the local places.
>Putting adds on crags list looking for contracts in areas that you say
>you can work?
Not a bad idea.
>Not just locally, but nationally, considering that you can ship the
>end result just like everyone else does.
So the rest of the nation reads Craigslist/Bakersfield?
Really?
>Look at advertising gun smiting, computer repair (you say you can do
>board level repair so computer repair should be a snap), machining
>peace rate, construction remodeling contracts, electrician contacts
>(even as a helper subcontracting to a licensed electrician), ect.
>
Indeed. Good suggestions all.
>None of the burger places hiring?
Actually...no.
>They would keep your electric on.
>What happened to your survival stash?
Im still doing ok on it. And will for another hummm..6 months or more.
I was putting out a lot with the son, daughter in law and the 2
grandkids eating out of it as well as my wife and myself.
>I lasted 2 years on mine, while applying for disability.
>You dieing off already?
No, and what gave you that idea? Hope?
>
>The oil field is always hiring deck hands.
Sure they are. And they pay $9hr because there are so many kids needing
work that they can keep the prices down.
>
>Oklahoma is one of the best spots in the nation job wise, with Tulsa
>and Oklahoma City being on all the good lists.
Yes?
>In Tulsa the place that make toilet paper is always hiring night shift
>fork lift drivers.
Yes?
>Pays $8 a hour on a 40 hour week and requires you to work 15 minutes
>each morning and 30 minutes each evening off the clock in addition to
>the paid 40 hour week.
Odd..thats against Federal law.
>All the temp places are hiring with a average of $8 a hour for what
>normally paid $15 a hour when things was good, back before Bush.
And now that the Obamassiah is in charge..things should have been better
within 6 months. Thats what the Demos claimed. You mean its gotten
worse? Imagine that.
>
>The factory across the road from my families farm commonly hires
>people with your skills, that can fix machine shops.
>They pay $10 a hour and require you to work a 40 hour week, every
>week, building pallets and shipping parts all day long if no machine
>needs fixed.
>
Now thats really good wages. Illegal aliens here in California would
turn up their noses at that wage. Unless you are flipping burgers or
changing linen in motels...nearly all jobs here in California pay over
$8 an hour...MickyDs pays $9-10 per hour.
Oh fuck yes..great wages.
And here I was only charging $75 an hour, plus travel plus mileage for
being a lowly machine tool tech..and getting work when other guys were
sitting next to a dead phone..because Im the cheapest.
$10 an hour eh? Ill certainly have to think about that. Gee..thats
$400 a week, before Unca Sam gets his 1/3rd cut.
Who wouldnt want to work for those kind of wages?
Ill get back to you on that....after Ive slept on it.
Gunner
Observer
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>Scillian
Is that like Romulan?
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
pyotr filipivich
or about Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:29:37 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in alt.machines.cnc the following:
>
>>>
>>> Alabama. With all of the car manufacturing that has moved there, it is the
>>> next Detroit, without all of the poverty. Should be plenty of business for
>>> a man with your talents. Plus deer season is several months long.
>>>
>>> Alabama 2009 - 2010 Deer Season Dates
>>> Bow Hunting - Oct 15th - Jan 31st
>>> Muzzleloaders - Nov 16th - Nov 20th
>>> Gun Season - Nov 21st - Jan 31st
>>>
>>
>>http://www.aidt.edu/jobs/
>>
>>
>One thing Im concerned about ..Ive lived in California for 30 yrs...in
>the high desert, where the humidity is hardly ever above 15%..and
>often 8-10%. In the various trips Ive made servicing CNC
>lathes..there have been several states where the humidity simply
>curled my lungs inside out. Is Alabama one of those? Hot I dont
>mind..hot and humid takes all the wind out of my sails.
Hot and humid. The old south took to air conditioning like a
godsend. Friends of mine moved up to Seattle from Atlanta. He went
to look for housing, and she asked about each one "Does it have
'air'?" (meaning air conditioning. Took him a while to convince her
that 75 degrees in Seattle isn't "hot" (muggy) like it is in Atlanta.
http://www.bestplaces.net has comparison data for most of the
country. Eg:
City Overview
As of 2009, Taft's population is 9,075 people. Since 2000, it has had
a population growth of 42.97 percent.
The median home cost in Taft is $135,610. Home appreciation the last
year has been -31.60 percent.
Compared to the rest of the country, Taft's cost of living is 9.38%
Lower than the U.S. average.
Taft public schools spend $6,335 per student. The average school
expenditure in the U.S. is $6,058. There are about 19 students per
teacher in Taft.
The unemployment rate in Taft is 14.70 percent(U.S. avg. is 8.50%).
Recent job growth is Negative. Taft jobs have Decreased by 0.10
percent.
On average, there are 278 sunny days per year in Taft, CA. The July
high is around 98 degrees. The January low is 43. Our comfort index,
which is based on humidity during the hot months, is a 50 out of 100,
where higher is more comfortable. The US average on the comfort index
is 44.
===
And you can take that as you will. Nice to know Taft is above
average for comfort.
===
County Overview
As of 2009, Mobile County's population is 404,406 people. Since 2000,
it has had a population growth of 1.08 percent.
The median home cost in Mobile County is $103,000. Home appreciation
the last year has been -4.80 percent.
Compared to the rest of the country, Mobile County's cost of living is
22.08% Lower than the U.S. average.
Mobile County public schools spend $4,247 per student. The average
school expenditure in the U.S. is $6,058. There are about 16 students
per teacher in Mobile County.
The unemployment rate in Mobile County is 8.50 percent(U.S. avg. is
8.50%). Recent job growth is Negative. Mobile County jobs have
Decreased by 4.90 percent.
On average, there are 218 sunny days per year in Mobile County, AL.
The July high is around 91 degrees. The January low is 42. Our comfort
index, which is based on humidity during the hot months, is a 28 out
of 100, where higher is more comfortable. The US average on the
comfort index is 44.
==
That comfort index is a guesstimate, but it is something to work
with.
One more thing to wile the hours away when you should be doing
something else.
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Observer
And you still had time to make hundreds of posts each week on this ng.
I call BULLSHIT
>
>>You do realize that jobs require 40 hours weeks every week every month
>>until you quit or are fired.
>>I expect that it has been years since you put in even two 40 hour
>>weeks in a row.
>
>Seems that once again..your buffoonery bites you in the ass. After
>having it happen time and time again...why do you keep doing this
>bullshit? Or are you in it because you are a masochist and get a nut
>when people kick your ass?
Brave, brabe Sir Gunner, Bravely ran away.
>>The entire nation is loosing jobs, and you want to move to a place
>>where you have to pay rent and then find a job that will not peter out
>>on you in a month or so?
>>Good luck with that.
>
>So no states are doing ok? Then you are claiming that Obama really isnt
>giving us Hope and Change?
No, the claim is most likely the Bush screwing of the economy is
continuing to claim victims.
>>Did you ever look at doing peace work in your machine shop?
>
>Ayup. Got cards in all the local places.
BULLSHIT
Cite?
>You mean its gotten
>worse? Imagine that.
>
>>
>>The factory across the road from my families farm commonly hires
>>people with your skills, that can fix machine shops.
>>They pay $10 a hour and require you to work a 40 hour week, every
>>week, building pallets and shipping parts all day long if no machine
>>needs fixed.
>>
>
>Now thats really good wages. Illegal aliens here in California would
>turn up their noses at that wage. Unless you are flipping burgers or
>changing linen in motels...nearly all jobs here in California pay over
>$8 an hour...MickyDs pays $9-10 per hour.
>
>Oh fuck yes..great wages.
>
>And here I was only charging $75 an hour, plus travel plus mileage for
>being a lowly machine tool tech..and getting work when other guys were
>sitting next to a dead phone..because Im the cheapest.
BULLSHIT. You'd be able to pay taxes and buy insurance with that kind
of cash.
>$10 an hour eh? Ill certainly have to think about that. Gee..thats
>$400 a week, before Unca Sam gets his 1/3rd cut.
>
>Who wouldnt want to work for those kind of wages?
>
>Ill get back to you on that....after Ive slept on it.
>
>
>Gunner
>
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rayk...@rnsmte.com
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:2h8rg5530utbquqim...@4ax.com...
summer= 95 degree @ 99% humidity
You couldent pay me enough to live there.
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
>
> Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace that
> I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and eating
> regularly.
>
China?
Good Luck!
Rich
wmbjk...@citlink.net
>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:31:17 -0800, Gunner Asch
><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:38:35 -0800 (PST), CanopyCo <Junk...@aol.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 24, 7:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>Good grief dude, you aren�t really trying to pass off this resume on
>>>people that know you are you?
>>>
>>>Just how long has it been since you put in a 40 hour week for 8 weeks
>>>in a row?
>>
>>It was 3 months ago that job ended. When I took down Ceromet MPP in
>>Anaheim. Took me 4 months of 60 hour weeks to clean out that factory.
>
>And you still had time to make hundreds of posts each week on this ng.
>I call BULLSHIT
Hey, IIRC he claimed to be working over the weekends. If he worked
from Thursday until Sunday, then ignoring travel time 60 hours is only
15 hours per day. No doubt he did that work with one hand while
holding off 6 mexicans with the other. Well worth the struggle though,
$75 X 60 = $4500 per week, or $72,000 total. :-) There's no
question that he did a lot of posting those same weeks though, his
stamina must be amaaaaazing. Combined with all the work, it's a wonder
he found time to spend all the income. How long before he claims to
have invested it with Madoff? :-)
Wayne
Jack G.
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:32:28 -0800, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I got out of a city 25 years ago, but I won't let the liberals chase me out
> >of the state. I understand that many in other states don't like
> >Californians, but the ones they meet are quitters. We don't need them here
> >either.
>
> I live 90 miles north of Los Angeles in a nice rural Red county. In
> the middle of old oil fields and ag.
>
> And the average wage here is something like $11 an hour..with
> Californias huge debt load.
>
> I simply work in the metro LA area...
>
Gunner seems to bring out the strange people like Palin does.
He asked a simple question and all these strange people came out of
the wood work.
Most of the people who responed I would not want living in my area.
ATP*
"Buerste" <bue...@att.net> wrote in message
news:_P5Pm.58556$rE5....@newsfe08.iad...
>
> "Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
>> California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
>> largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
>> in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
>> its Rust Belt.
>>
>> And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>>
>> So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
>> Id like to ask you folks for your input.
>
> Decide where you want to go, let me know and I will find the closest
> co-manufacturer, customer or supplier in my Rolodex of friends. The offer
> for Cleveland is still open but I filled the cherry job I wanted you for
> but I'll find a way to make room in the budget.
Face it, Tom, he's just not that into you.....
gine what it would be like for a libtard wanting to move to a new locale.
> He would be inquiring about Cheese-Checks, HEAP, ADC, Workers Comp,
> Unions, abortion clinics, sodomy laws and the closest ACLU office.
That would be a few of the conservatives on this NG, as evidenced by recent
admissions.
Curly Surmudgeon
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:11:02 -0500, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:31:17 -0800, Gunner Asch
>><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:38:35 -0800 (PST), CanopyCo <Junk...@aol.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Nov 24, 7:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>>>Good grief dude, you aren’t really trying to pass off this resume on
>>>>people that know you are you?
>>>>
>>>>Just how long has it been since you put in a 40 hour week for 8 weeks
>>>>in a row?
>>>
>>>It was 3 months ago that job ended. When I took down Ceromet MPP in
>>>Anaheim. Took me 4 months of 60 hour weeks to clean out that factory.
>>
>>And you still had time to make hundreds of posts each week on this ng. I
>>call BULLSHIT
>
> Hey, IIRC he claimed to be working over the weekends. If he worked from
> Thursday until Sunday, then ignoring travel time 60 hours is only 15
> hours per day. No doubt he did that work with one hand while holding off
> 6 mexicans with the other. Well worth the struggle though, $75 X 60 =
> $4500 per week, or $72,000 total.
And couldn't afford to fix his transportation or buy gasoline...
> :-) There's no question that he did
> a lot of posting those same weeks though, his stamina must be
> amaaaaazing. Combined with all the work, it's a wonder he found time to
> spend all the income. How long before he claims to have invested it with
> Madoff? :-)
>
> Wayne
--
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>The unemployment rate in Taft is 14.70 percent(U.S. avg. is 8.50%).
>Recent job growth is Negative. Taft jobs have Decreased by 0.10
>percent.
>
>On average, there are 278 sunny days per year in Taft, CA. The July
>high is around 98 degrees. The January low is 43. Our comfort index,
>which is based on humidity during the hot months, is a 50 out of 100,
>where higher is more comfortable. The US average on the comfort index
>is 44.
>
>===
>
> And you can take that as you will. Nice to know Taft is above
>average for comfort.
Chuckle...they dont mention that it starts to warm up after July..and
doesnt start to cool off until October.
But..it doesnt snow here and its generally "comfortable" and swamp
coolers are the thing to have for cooling. Humidity is very low
compared to the eastern states.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
<jgra...@pioneernet.net> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 11:57�pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:32:28 -0800, "Stupendous Man" <s...@trap.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I got out of a city 25 years ago, but I won't let the liberals chase me out
>> >of the state. I understand that many in other states don't like
>> >Californians, but the ones they meet are quitters. We don't need them here
>> >either.
>>
>> I live 90 miles north of Los Angeles in a nice rural Red county. In
>> the middle of old oil fields and ag.
>>
>> And the average wage here is something like $11 an hour..with
>> Californias huge debt load.
>>
>> I simply work in the metro LA area...
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Gunner seems to bring out the strange people like Palin does.
Shrug..its just a knack I have. Like the Pied Piper and the Rats.
>
>He asked a simple question and all these strange people came out of
>the wood work.
>
>Most of the people who responed I would not want living in my area.
Fortunately...most of them live in the East or big cities..Chicago..you
know..the Libtard places.
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
Lib Loo
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:hekc7u$fb7$5...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> And couldn't afford to fix his transportation or buy gasoline...
>
LOL, he may be living in Taft, but he's not in the shithole you live in. Now
back to telling PG how you posted your address, again. We'll call you if we
need some comic relief.
robert bowman
> Hot and humid. The old south took to air conditioning like a
> godsend. Friends of mine moved up to Seattle from Atlanta. He went
> to look for housing, and she asked about each one "Does it have
> 'air'?" (meaning air conditioning. Took him a while to convince her
> that 75 degrees in Seattle isn't "hot" (muggy) like it is in Atlanta.
I once had to drive a company van to Atlanta to pick up some material. The
company was in New Hampshire, so there wasn't any A/C. Between the humidity
and the damned vinyl seats, I came down with the worst case of diaper rash
since I was about 2 years old.
In the '60s, Cluett & Peabody, the manufacturers of Arrow shirts, move some
of their production from Troy, NY to Atlanta.The managers kept their jobs,
but they had to move to the Atlanta facility. A lot of them lasted less
than six months, between the climate and the cultural shock before heading
back north with resume in hand.
"It's a dry heat" is a cliche in Arizona, but it's the truth. I've went out
hiking in the mountains in 90 or 100 degree temperatures, and while I go
through water like crazy, I don't get that drowning feeling that 90 degrees
and 99.9% humidity causes.
Lib Loo
"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <freed...@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.25....@example.net...
He can move here to Chicago, if he can put up with the politics. The money
making opportunities are great here, like shooting fish in a barrel. On an
average day one could make $1000 selling "hope" flags, "change" stickers,
and "Yes we can" shirts. Even with the tanking popularity of Obama, a
liberal and money are easily parted.
robert bowman
> On an
> average day one could make $1000 selling "hope" flags, "change" stickers,
> and "Yes we can" shirts. Even with the tanking popularity of Obama, a
> liberal and money are easily parted.
Si, se puede cambiar. In 2012.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 1:29 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Why do you even bother posting? Each time you look like an utter idiot.
Are you now continually drunk, or simply going into the first stages of
Alzheimers?
Gunner
pyotr filipivich
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Wed, 25 Nov 2009
16:06:50 -0800 in misc.survivalism:
>
>>The unemployment rate in Taft is 14.70 percent(U.S. avg. is 8.50%).
>>Recent job growth is Negative. Taft jobs have Decreased by 0.10
>>percent.
>>
>>On average, there are 278 sunny days per year in Taft, CA. The July
>>high is around 98 degrees. The January low is 43. Our comfort index,
>>which is based on humidity during the hot months, is a 50 out of 100,
>>where higher is more comfortable. The US average on the comfort index
>>is 44.
>>
>>===
>>
>> And you can take that as you will. Nice to know Taft is above
>>average for comfort.
>
>
>Chuckle...they dont mention that it starts to warm up after July..and
>doesnt start to cool off until October.
But then, it's a dry cold, so there is that.
>
>But..it doesnt snow here and its generally "comfortable" and swamp
>coolers are the thing to have for cooling. Humidity is very low
>compared to the eastern states.
I live in the North Pacific Northwest. Nine months of rain, and
three months of partly cloudy with a chance of showers.
I keep thinking about moving back east to where the cowboys are,
but ... not sure I can stand the dryness. Probably would lose ten
pounds just drying out.
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
pyotr filipivich
23:54:09 -0800 in misc.survivalism:
>
>>
>>How self-sufficient do you want to be? To me, food and energy are the
>>top two areas to consider for self-sufficiency. Growing season is
>>short. Heating budget is high. Potential for solar energy is low.
>>
>>I admit a bias for mountains and forests. Hardwoods east of the
>>mississippi, evergreens west. That figures into amount and quality of
>>firewood. Same for humidity/precipitaion which goes to gardening.
>>Lately I've been looking into the northern parts of some of the
>>southern states and maybe up into Kentucky/Tennessee. Well inland
>>from the worse brunt of hurricanes. Small governements = reasonable
>>tax load. Not a whole lot of growth (which I consider good). Still
>>lots of rural land where two crops per year is possible and heating
>>budget is reasonable.
>>
>>Of course I'm not worrying about earning an income after I retire. My
>>needs are modest now and will be a lot less then. I'm counting on
>>either my pension or social security to survive through the dollars
>>meltdown. If both fail, then I'm down to providing what I need on my
>>own. Of course everyone else will be in the same boat or worse.
>
>Noted and thanks!
I just found a book about the part of Pennsylvania my family is
from. Old pictures and stories. One of the old timers recalls how
everybody had looked down on them because they were dirt poor farmers,
didn't have nothing. Then came the depression, and he noticed that
those folks - they didn't have anything either. But out on the farms,
they ate regular, and pretty much didn't notice the Depression.
pyotr filipivich
<Junk...@aol.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:06:05 -0800
(PST) in misc.survivalism:
>On Nov 25, 1:29 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>> One thing Im concerned about ..Ive lived in California for 30 yrs...in
>> the high desert, where the humidity is hardly ever above 15%..and
>> often 8-10%. In the various trips Ive made servicing CNC
>> lathes..there have been several states where the humidity simply
>> curled my lungs inside out. Is Alabama one of those? Hot I dont
>> mind..hot and humid takes all the wind out of my sails.
>>
>> Gunner- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Then forget anyplace that has trees and any kind of summer.
>You need desert to avoid humidity.
There's humid, and there is "humid". I'm up where it is humid,
due to the rain, but it doesn't get muggy.
I've done the transition from 105 and dry to 85 and 85% - and it
is a killer till you adapt. Some parts of the country/world, though,
it just never "cools off".(Bahrain, in the Gulf, get it the worst:
desert temps and sea side humidity. Imagine 110 and 99%.)
tschus
pyotr
Lib Loo
"Deucalion" <som...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:48:31 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
> <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:29:26 -0700, wmbjk...@citlink.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:11:02 -0500, Observer <noone@nowhere> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:31:17 -0800, Gunner Asch
>>>><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:38:35 -0800 (PST), CanopyCo <Junk...@aol.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Nov 24, 7:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Good grief dude, you aren?t really trying to pass off this resume on
>>>>>>people that know you are you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just how long has it been since you put in a 40 hour week for 8 weeks
>>>>>>in a row?
>>>>>
>>>>>It was 3 months ago that job ended. When I took down Ceromet MPP in
>>>>>Anaheim. Took me 4 months of 60 hour weeks to clean out that factory.
>>>>
>>>>And you still had time to make hundreds of posts each week on this ng. I
>>>>call BULLSHIT
>>>
>>> Hey, IIRC he claimed to be working over the weekends. If he worked from
>>> Thursday until Sunday, then ignoring travel time 60 hours is only 15
>>> hours per day. No doubt he did that work with one hand while holding off
>>> 6 mexicans with the other. Well worth the struggle though, $75 X 60 =
>>> $4500 per week, or $72,000 total.
>>
>>And couldn't afford to fix his transportation or buy gasoline...
>
> What's stranger is that the master mechanic/engineer couldn't do a
> valve job on his own vehicle.
What's stranger than that is a Douchebag like you ordering a vinegar and
water at the bar.
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that CanopyCo
><Junk...@aol.com> reported Elvis on Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:06:05 -0800
>(PST) in misc.survivalism:
>>On Nov 25, 1:29 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing Im concerned about ..Ive lived in California for 30 yrs...in
>>> the high desert, where the humidity is hardly ever above 15%..and
>>> often 8-10%. In the various trips Ive made servicing CNC
>>> lathes..there have been several states where the humidity simply
>>> curled my lungs inside out. Is Alabama one of those? Hot I dont
>>> mind..hot and humid takes all the wind out of my sails.
>>>
>>> Gunner- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>Then forget anyplace that has trees and any kind of summer.
>>You need desert to avoid humidity.
>
> There's humid, and there is "humid". I'm up where it is humid,
>due to the rain, but it doesn't get muggy.
> I've done the transition from 105 and dry to 85 and 85% - and it
>is a killer till you adapt. Some parts of the country/world, though,
>it just never "cools off".(Bahrain, in the Gulf, get it the worst:
>desert temps and sea side humidity. Imagine 110 and 99%.)
>
Like Vietnam....
None4U
"Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <freed...@example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.11.25....@example.net...
>splitting. Then heading out for some prosperity. I love visiting San
>Bernardino, but cant stand the housing prices.
RogerN
The plant where I work hires a lot of electrical techs. They don't have CNC
machine tools but they have 60+ acres under roof of industrial automated
machines running 24/7. I think full pay is something like $22.XX/hr.
Typical duties include cleaning, adjusting, or replacing sensors, drives,
valves, load cells, repairing wiring, replacing motors, generally
troubleshooting and repairing whatever is broke.
This is in Southern Illinois and their are lots of farms and open areas.
Shooting sports include deer hunting, coyote, turkey, and etc.. There are
somewhere around 90 electrical technicians at the plant, always some leaving
and always hiring replacements. The cost of property is pretty reasonable,
I guess dirt cheap compared to California, my house and 4.5 acres cost me
$41,500.
RogerN
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
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> California is dying as an industrial power. It at one time was the 7th
> largest economy in the world. No longer. Its the #3 hardest hit state
> in the looming Great Depression Part Deux, only behind Michigan with
> its Rust Belt.
>
> And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
>
> So Ive been looking around a bit at other states for employment..and
> Id like to ask you folks for your input.
>
> Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
> that I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and
> eating regularly.
>
CanopyCo
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:38:35 -0800 (PST), CanopyCo <Junk74...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> >On Nov 24, 7:03 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >people that know you are you?
>
> >Just how long has it been since you put in a 40 hour week for 8 weeks
> >in a row?
>
> It was 3 months ago that job ended. When I took down Ceromet MPP in
> Anaheim. Took me 4 months of 60 hour weeks to clean out that factory.
>
> >until you quit or are fired.
> >I expect that it has been years since you put in even two 40 hour
> >weeks in a row.
>
> Seems that once again..your buffoonery bites you in the ass. After
> having it happen time and time again...why do you keep doing this
> bullshit? Or are you in it because you are a masochist and get a nut
> when people kick your ass?
>
> >The entire nation is loosing jobs, and you want to move to a place
> >where you have to pay rent and then find a job that will not peter out
> >on you in a month or so?
> >Good luck with that.
>
> So no states are doing ok? Then you are claiming that Obama really isnt
> giving us Hope and Change?
>
>
>
> >Did you ever look at doing peace work in your machine shop?
>
> Ayup. Got cards in all the local places.
>
> >Putting adds on crags list looking for contracts in areas that you say
> >you can work?
>
> Not a bad idea.
>
> >Not just locally, but nationally, considering that you can ship the
> >end result just like everyone else does.
>
> So the rest of the nation reads Craigslist/Bakersfield?
>
> Really?
>
No, they read Cragslist for there local.
You will have to quit being so lazy and put a add in all of them.
Start with the big cities, then do the rest as you have time.
Is this really a example of your brain power?
> >Look at advertising gun smiting, computer repair (you say you can do
> >board level repair so computer repair should be a snap), machining
> >peace rate, construction remodeling contracts, electrician contacts
> >(even as a helper subcontracting to a licensed electrician), ect.
>
> Indeed. Good suggestions all.
>
> >None of the burger places hiring?
>
> Actually...no.
>
Not actually a big surprise.
Neither of us is likely to get on at that anyway.
They tend to go for kids, women, and gay looking guys.
> >They would keep your electric on.
> >What happened to your survival stash?
>
> Im still doing ok on it. And will for another hummm..6 months or more.
> I was putting out a lot with the son, daughter in law and the 2
> grandkids eating out of it as well as my wife and myself.
>
> >I lasted 2 years on mine, while applying for disability.
> >You dieing off already?
>
> No, and what gave you that idea? Hope?
>
>
Utilities getting shut off.
I have no desire to see you die.
Would much prefer that you live and learn.
>
> >The oil field is always hiring deck hands.
>
> Sure they are. And they pay $9hr because there are so many kids needing
> work that they can keep the prices down.
>
Wouldn’t that pay you utilities?
After all, if that is all you can get then that is all you are worth
and all you deserve.
You are not good enough to expect higher wages, because that is all
you can get.
At least that is what I was told when your shoe was on my foot.
>
>
> >Oklahoma is one of the best spots in the nation job wise, with Tulsa
> >and Oklahoma City being on all the good lists.
>
> Yes?
>
Don’t let that fool you.
Oklahoma is on the lists due to not loosing to many jobs.
Not much changed here.
We never did have any jobs, so we lost nothing.
Still, the temp jobs are always hiring and paying as little as
possible.
A small one room apartment costs about $400 a month + utilities.
If you get it close to the job, you can make a profit, but if you live
out of town it is break even at best.
> >In Tulsa the place that make toilet paper is always hiring night shift
> >fork lift drivers.
>
> Yes?
>
> >Pays $8 a hour on a 40 hour week and requires you to work 15 minutes
> >each morning and 30 minutes each evening off the clock in addition to
> >the paid 40 hour week.
>
> Odd..thats against Federal law.
>
And you can push the temp agency that they pay threw and get that pay,
then get fired for some trumped up deal.
> >All the temp places are hiring with a average of $8 a hour for what
> >normally paid $15 a hour when things was good, back before Bush.
>
> And now that the Obamassiah is in charge..things should have been better
> within 6 months. Thats what the Demos claimed. You mean its gotten
> worse? Imagine that.
>
>
No one with any brains thinks this mess can be fixed fast.
>
> >The factory across the road from my families farm commonly hires
> >people with your skills, that can fix machine shops.
> >They pay $10 a hour and require you to work a 40 hour week, every
> >week, building pallets and shipping parts all day long if no machine
> >needs fixed.
>
> Now thats really good wages. Illegal aliens here in California would
> turn up their noses at that wage. Unless you are flipping burgers or
> changing linen in motels...nearly all jobs here in California pay over
> $8 an hour...MickyDs pays $9-10 per hour.
>
> Oh fuck yes..great wages.
>
> And here I was only charging $75 an hour, plus travel plus mileage for
> being a lowly machine tool tech..and getting work when other guys were
> sitting next to a dead phone..because Im the cheapest.
>
> $10 an hour eh? Ill certainly have to think about that. Gee..thats
> $400 a week, before Unca Sam gets his 1/3rd cut.
>
> Who wouldnt want to work for those kind of wages?
>
> Ill get back to you on that....after Ive slept on it.
>
> Gunner
Do that.
After all, you are getting way more then that.
Oh, wait, no you aren’t.
You are getting your utilities shut off due to not paying them.
Talk about setting next to a dead phone.
Maybe you should charge what you are worth, and according to this
group when I was asking, it is only what you can get.
Take the pay you can get and pay your bills or turn up your nose at it
and live in a ditch.
Your choice.
After all, that is the republican way.
Or you could start telling your clients that you are now working for
$10 a hour and get some jobs from them locally.
That would keep you in a house that does not charge rent and keep your
utilities on.
That is about all anyone can expect now that the Great Depression part
2 is upon us full swing.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
wrote:
>Damn, he made $72,000 three months ago and he's having his power cut
>off. That must be one hell of a habit that he is supporting.
Assuming he didn't just make the whole thing up, his take was most
likely closer to minimum wage. Regardless, I'm thinkin' that he's one
of those people who has no sense of economics whatsoever. Take the
Mountain Dew habit. It's bad enough that he needs a jug of soda in his
hand at all times, but brand name? What an idiot. I know two people
with the same affliction. Both of them outspend my wife and I about 5
to 1 at the grocery store. One is probably going to lose his home in a
few months, yet he won't ease up on the comfort-food shopping. I've
needled him as much as I can but he's in denial. They're both sad
cases, but at least neither is advertising and scapegoating on Usenet.
And they don't scapegoat in person either. Which is one of the reasons
that I'm sympathetic and helpful with them but not with gummer.
Wayne
CanopyCo
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:38:35 -0800 (PST), CanopyCo <Junk74...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
>
> >>Oklahoma is one of the best spots in the nation job wise, with Tulsa
> >>and Oklahoma City being on all the good lists.
>
> summer= 95 degree @ 99% humidity
>
> - Show quoted text -
That is old data.
We now get 110 F with 100% humidity in the middle of the summer.
Born and raised here, so I am accustomed to dealing with it.
Air conditioning is a requirement, not a accessory.
CanopyCo
> "Richard the Dreaded Libertarian" <freedom_...@example.net> wrote in messagenews:pan.2009.11.25....@example.net...
>
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:03:19 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> >> Im interested in perhaps moving out of California...heading anyplace
> >> that
> >> I can prosper enough to keep myself and my family alive and eating
> >> regularly.
>
> > China?
>
> > Good Luck!
> > Rich
>
> He can move here to Chicago, if he can put up with the politics. The money
> making opportunities are great here, like shooting fish in a barrel. On an
> average day one could make $1000 selling "hope" flags, "change" stickers,
> and "Yes we can" shirts. Even with the tanking popularity of Obama, a
> liberal and money are easily parted.
I did a remodel job on a canopy there once.
Had to join 3 unions before the guy we were working for finally got a
recording of them threatening us with burning up our gear.
Then they finally quit, but we still had to watch out for getting
mugged by them on the way to get food.
Only place I have ever been where the cops just said that I better pay
the extortion because they will do what they threaten and the cops
can’t do jack about it.
:-/
CanopyCo
>
> - Show quoted text -
Same thing here in Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas.
They have been laughing at us for years, but look at who is laughing
now.
;-)
CanopyCo
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that CanopyCo
110 F and 99%?
We get that here every summer now days.
Good way to die, with water running off you in a stream.
Glad to see winter.
Lib Loo
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
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>
> The plant where I work hires a lot of electrical techs. They don't have
> CNC machine tools but they have 60+ acres under roof of industrial
> automated machines running 24/7. I think full pay is something like
> $22.XX/hr. Typical duties include cleaning, adjusting, or replacing
> sensors, drives, valves, load cells, repairing wiring, replacing motors,
> generally troubleshooting and repairing whatever is broke.
>
> This is in Southern Illinois and their are lots of farms and open areas.
> Shooting sports include deer hunting, coyote, turkey, and etc.. There are
> somewhere around 90 electrical technicians at the plant, always some
> leaving and always hiring replacements. The cost of property is pretty
> reasonable, I guess dirt cheap compared to California, my house and 4.5
> acres cost me $41,500.
>
> RogerN
>
What county are you in? How are the taxes on your property, just curious for
comparison, thanks.
RogerN
"Lib Loo" <heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote in message
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>
>
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:zoWdndUzwbTgFJPW...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> The plant where I work hires a lot of electrical techs. They don't have
>> CNC machine tools but they have 60+ acres under roof of industrial
>> automated machines running 24/7. I think full pay is something like
>> $22.XX/hr. Typical duties include cleaning, adjusting, or replacing
>> sensors, drives, valves, load cells, repairing wiring, replacing motors,
>> generally troubleshooting and repairing whatever is broke.
>>
>> This is in Southern Illinois and their are lots of farms and open areas.
>> Shooting sports include deer hunting, coyote, turkey, and etc.. There
>> are somewhere around 90 electrical technicians at the plant, always some
>> leaving and always hiring replacements. The cost of property is pretty
>> reasonable, I guess dirt cheap compared to California, my house and 4.5
>> acres cost me $41,500.
>>
>> RogerN
>>
>
> What county are you in? How are the taxes on your property, just curious
> for comparison, thanks.
I live in Perry county but the plant I work at is in Jefferson county. My
property taxes this year was ~$1400, it raised after my dad had a cabin
built at my pond.
My land isn't as valuable as good farm land and my house is old, but for the
money I'm happy with it.
RogerN
Gunner Asch
>
>The plant where I work hires a lot of electrical techs. They don't have CNC
>machine tools but they have 60+ acres under roof of industrial automated
>machines running 24/7. I think full pay is something like $22.XX/hr.
>Typical duties include cleaning, adjusting, or replacing sensors, drives,
>valves, load cells, repairing wiring, replacing motors, generally
>troubleshooting and repairing whatever is broke.
>
>This is in Southern Illinois and their are lots of farms and open areas.
>Shooting sports include deer hunting, coyote, turkey, and etc.. There are
>somewhere around 90 electrical technicians at the plant, always some leaving
>and always hiring replacements. The cost of property is pretty reasonable,
>I guess dirt cheap compared to California, my house and 4.5 acres cost me
>$41,500.
>
>RogerN
Is it close enough to the state border where I can live in another Gun
Friendly state and commute?
Illonios...is not gun friendly...
And yes..thats dirt cheap...even compared to where I live now.
Gunner
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 3:31 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
So..I should put 5000 ads in Craigslist? When they only allow one on
each subject every 30 days?
Ill be retired before I get to the last one.
>
>Is this really a example of your brain power?
I hope so..because yours needs a LOT of work.
>
>> >Look at advertising gun smiting, computer repair (you say you can do
>> >board level repair so computer repair should be a snap), machining
>> >peace rate, construction remodeling contracts, electrician contacts
>> >(even as a helper subcontracting to a licensed electrician), ect.
>>
>> Indeed. Good suggestions all.
>>
>> >None of the burger places hiring?
>>
>> Actually...no.
>>
>
>Not actually a big surprise.
>Neither of us is likely to get on at that anyway.
>They tend to go for kids, women, and gay looking guys.
>
>> >They would keep your electric on.
>> >What happened to your survival stash?
>>
>> Im still doing ok on it. And will for another hummm..6 months or more.
>> I was putting out a lot with the son, daughter in law and the 2
>> grandkids eating out of it as well as my wife and myself.
>>
>> >I lasted 2 years on mine, while applying for disability.
>> >You dieing off already?
>>
>> No, and what gave you that idea? Hope?
>>
>>
>
>Utilities getting shut off.
>I have no desire to see you die.
>Would much prefer that you live and learn.
>
Live and learn? Son..you have been unemployed How long now? You are
working on your second year..right?
>>
>> >The oil field is always hiring deck hands.
>>
>> Sure they are. And they pay $9hr because there are so many kids needing
>> work that they can keep the prices down.
>>
>
>Wouldn�t that pay you utilities?
>After all, if that is all you can get then that is all you are worth
>and all you deserve.
>You are not good enough to expect higher wages, because that is all
>you can get.
>At least that is what I was told when your shoe was on my foot.
They dont want 56 yr old guys out on the rigs..they want 20 somethings.
Ive worked the rigs for a long time when I was young. Its a young mans
sport.
Tool pushers..that sort of thing can be older. Shrug
>
>>
>>
>> >Oklahoma is one of the best spots in the nation job wise, with Tulsa
>> >and Oklahoma City being on all the good lists.
>>
>> Yes?
>>
>
>Don�t let that fool you.
>Oklahoma is on the lists due to not loosing to many jobs.
>Not much changed here.
>We never did have any jobs, so we lost nothing.
>Still, the temp jobs are always hiring and paying as little as
>possible.
>A small one room apartment costs about $400 a month + utilities.
>If you get it close to the job, you can make a profit, but if you live
>out of town it is break even at best.
>
>> >In Tulsa the place that make toilet paper is always hiring night shift
>> >fork lift drivers.
>>
>> Yes?
>>
>> >Pays $8 a hour on a 40 hour week and requires you to work 15 minutes
>> >each morning and 30 minutes each evening off the clock in addition to
>> >the paid 40 hour week.
>>
>> Odd..thats against Federal law.
>>
>
>And you can push the temp agency that they pay threw and get that pay,
>then get fired for some trumped up deal.
Yes. So I should jump right on moving into a one bedroom apartment
after tossing my house and shops into the trash and moving to
Okkyville..and then work for $8 and hour.
Fuck yes..works for me.
>
>> >All the temp places are hiring with a average of $8 a hour for what
>> >normally paid $15 a hour when things was good, back before Bush.
>>
>> And now that the Obamassiah is in charge..things should have been better
>> within 6 months. Thats what the Demos claimed. You mean its gotten
>> worse? Imagine that.
>>
>>
>
>No one with any brains thinks this mess can be fixed fast.
Then the Obamassiah and the Leftists all lied. Thank you for your
honesty.
Or I can take a local job at $20 and pay my bills.
>
>Your choice.
>After all, that is the republican way.
Yes..it is. Its far better than the socialist way when everyone is in
poverty..but Equal poverty.
>
>Or you could start telling your clients that you are now working for
>$10 a hour and get some jobs from them locally.
There are no Local machine shops. Some Oilfield shops with very elderly
Axcellson machines. Made in the 1930s and 40s..you adjust with a
sledgehammer
>That would keep you in a house that does not charge rent and keep your
>utilities on.
>That is about all anyone can expect now that the Great Depression part
>2 is upon us full swing.
Charge rent? I own my home. So I should try to sell my house and move
to Oklahoma and work for $8 an hour?
Ill have to get back to you on that.
Oh fuck yes.
Gunner
jk
>
>I live in Perry county but the plant I work at is in Jefferson county. My
>property taxes this year was ~$1400, it raised after my dad had a cabin
>built at my pond.
>
>My land isn't as valuable as good farm land and my house is old, but for the
>money I'm happy with it.
That makes your take rate seem unreaspnably high to me, My house is
~10X that much, but I pay only about 2X as much tax, in Northern CA
(The REAL N Cal)
jk
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 8:55 pm, "Lib Loo" <heezb...@crazymother.kom> wrote:
Great job. What did it pay...$8 an hour?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Yah know..thats not a bad idea. Ive got hummm...3-4 Associates
Degrees...but I could go for a Bachlers..(sp?)
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
robert bowman
> I live in the North Pacific Northwest. Nine months of rain, and
> three months of partly cloudy with a chance of showers.
I remember reading excerpts from Lewis and Clark's journals at the Fort
Clatsop Memorial park. "tried to dry some meat. it rotted" "caught some
fish. they rotted" "our moccasins are rotting." The fort was a
reconstruction, since the original had rotted. It was raining the day I was
there. I got into the pickup and drove east until it stopped raining,
somewhere around Helena, MT.
robert bowman
> Only place I have ever been where the cops just said that I better pay
> the extortion because they will do what they threaten and the cops
> can’t do jack about it.
We exhibited at the National Plastics Exposition, the biggest plastics trade
show, at McCormick Place in '73. If you wanted your equipment wired so it
would operate, you bought 'coffee' for the electricians. If you wanted
tables for the booth, you bought 'coffee' for the table guys. If you wanted
drapes on the tables, you bought some more 'coffee' for the drape guys.
Coffee ran from $20 to $100 depending on how tightly the tradesmen had you
by the nuts.
Outside, the cops were weighing the trucks bringing in the equipment and
checking for safety violations. The cops liked coffee too, and they had a
firm grip on your testicles, since they'd just impound the machinery until
after the show.
I've been out of that business for years, but I just read the NPE is moving
to Orlando for their next show. Maybe doing business Chicago style became
too much.
Jim Stewart
I visited there too. I remember the "fort"
being worse than most dog kennels. Must have
been some dreadful times.
nob...@nowhere.org
wrote:
Yeah, but a body can go longer with no food than it can without water.
I'll drown before I starve ; )
However, there's little chance of starving today, our Thanksgiving
table will be plentiful and we hope all of yours is as well.
Newb... another PNW'er
pyotr filipivich
(PST) in misc.survivalism:
>
>> >Noted and thanks!
>>
>> � � � � I just found a book about the part of Pennsylvania my family is
>> from. �Old pictures and stories. �One of the old timers recalls how
>> everybody had looked down on them because they were dirt poor farmers,
>> didn't have nothing. �Then came the depression, and he noticed that
>> those folks - they didn't have anything either. �But out on the farms,
>> they ate regular, and pretty much didn't notice the Depression.
>> -
>> pyotr filipivich.
>> Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>> you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Same thing here in Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas.
>They have been laughing at us for years, but look at who is laughing
>now.
>;-)
I remember the book "Alas Babylon" - set in Florida at the time of
WW3. Suddenly, the "richest man" in the county was "Uncle Amos" - a
black sharecropper, but he owned his own mule. Right popular he was,
and respected too.
pyotr
nob...@nowhere.org
wrote:
>On Nov 25, 4:26 pm, <raykel...@rnsmte.com> wrote:
How would you power your A/C if the electrical grid collapsed?
Newb
RogerN
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:58:15 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>The plant where I work hires a lot of electrical techs. They don't have
>>CNC
>>machine tools but they have 60+ acres under roof of industrial automated
>>machines running 24/7. I think full pay is something like $22.XX/hr.
>>Typical duties include cleaning, adjusting, or replacing sensors, drives,
>>valves, load cells, repairing wiring, replacing motors, generally
>>troubleshooting and repairing whatever is broke.
>>
>>This is in Southern Illinois and their are lots of farms and open areas.
>>Shooting sports include deer hunting, coyote, turkey, and etc.. There are
>>somewhere around 90 electrical technicians at the plant, always some
>>leaving
>>and always hiring replacements. The cost of property is pretty
>>reasonable,
>>I guess dirt cheap compared to California, my house and 4.5 acres cost me
>>$41,500.
>>
>>RogerN
>
> Is it close enough to the state border where I can live in another Gun
> Friendly state and commute?
>
> Illonios...is not gun friendly...
>
> And yes..thats dirt cheap...even compared to where I live now.
>
> Gunner
>
I know what you mean, Chicago has ruined it for the rest of the state. Up
north the houses are so close I don't think a push mower can fit between
them, down here we have a farm, acreage, another farm, and a small city
every here and there. From where I live 2 hours West is Missouri, 2 hours
East is Indiana, and 2 hours south is Kentucky. I'm saying 2 hours but it's
actually less each direction. Have you heard of the Knob Creek machine gun
shoot? I'll bet you'd like that! Search for it on Google, there are videos
and everything. I have a lot of friends that go, I need to go sometime.
RogerN
Gunner Asch
But..we have Proposition 13 protecting us.
Gunner, $480 a year
Cliff
wrote:
>Im tecnically oriented and can troubleshoot electrionics at assembly
>level, machine, lathe and mill, can fix complex mechanical assemblies,
>can weld, do woodworking, gunsmithing, can do commecial and industrial
>electricial. Ive worked as a lumberjack, oil field roughneck etc etc
>etc.
>
>Frankly...there isnt much that I cant do.
There are jobs in Iraq & Afghanistan I heard.
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Cliff
hal
Which is the main reason California is going bankrupt.
>
>Gunner, $480 a year
>
>
Cliff
wrote:
>
>And Im not getting any work in my current trade, machine tool repair.
Too bad you did not have a business or plan .... other than to
advertise as a PE.
People might have offered sugestions & business help.
Oops .. no guns wanted !!
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Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
> I deal well with others
So we have long noted.
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Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>So anyways..Ive been considering moving out of California..after being
>here for 30+ yrs.
You were offered a job in Ohio ... but flat turned it down.
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Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>Im interested in perhaps moving out of California..
To new bill collectors ....
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Cliff
Stormin Mormon
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Cliff
>hal wrote:
>
>> some nice Aryan Nations compounds in northern Idaho that should make
>> you feel right at home.
>
>That got sued out of existence by the Keenans, backed by the SPLC, in 2000.
>It's a peace park now.
>
So Idaho is out ....
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Cliff