Gil Has Proven The Dishonesty & Cowardice of Believers...

Ben Holmes

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Nov 6, 2023, 11:44:15 AM11/6/23

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Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
of the actual evidence in this case. They can't defend their WCR from
the actual evidence that is supposed to underlie it.

The fact that we can demonstrate the dishonesty & cowardice of
believers by merely forcing them to face the evidence in this case -
AND THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT DO THE SAME THING TO US, shows lurkers
where the truth lies.

Believers simply *CANNOT* debate - they consistently run away.

And that fact tells the tale.

Gil Jesus

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Nov 6, 2023, 12:31:47 PM11/6/23

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Thank You, Ben.
And may I say that you have played no small role in exposing their deceptions and lies yourself.
They are a bunch of close-minded individuals who seem to have settled in their "own truth" regarding the assassination.
I've been told in other forums by Lone Nutters that they won't even LOOK at my posts.
The cowards don't even have the courage to read what I post or look at the links I provide.
They have "their truth" and that's that.
I'll keep "hitting them with the evidence", as Harold Weisberg suggested, and watch them shit their pants.
I know you will too,
Keep up the good work.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 6, 2023, 12:38:08 PM11/6/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 09:31:46 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

What I get a big laugh out of is the fact that we keep doing what they
can't do... I post evidential questions (as do you) that they can't
answer... and they can't do the same... I refute well-known authors
such as Bugliosi - and believers can't do the same.

Gil Jesus

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Nov 6, 2023, 12:45:54 PM11/6/23

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:38:08 PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> What I get a big laugh out of is the fact that we keep doing what they
> can't do... I post evidential questions (as do you) that they can't
> answer... and they can't do the same... I refute well-known authors
> such as Bugliosi - and believers can't do the same.

And you know you have them by the balls when they resort to insults, like Chuckles, or semantics, like Chickenshit.
Chickenshit must have been a great kid. Imagine if his parents told him "NO" ?
Response: "What do you mean by No" ?
I'm like you, I just sit there and laugh.
The more vicious the name-calling, the more they tell me I'm winning the debate.
ROFLMAO

Gil Jesus

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Nov 6, 2023, 12:59:59 PM11/6/23

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I would say that you hit the nail on the head.
The questions exposed the dishonesty of the Warren Commission "believers" who responded, and the cowardice of those who didn't.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 6, 2023, 1:23:01 PM11/6/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 09:59:57 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:45:54?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:

>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:38:08?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>> > What I get a big laugh out of is the fact that we keep doing what they
>> > can't do... I post evidential questions (as do you) that they can't
>> > answer... and they can't do the same... I refute well-known authors
>> > such as Bugliosi - and believers can't do the same.
>> And you know you have them by the balls when they resort to insults, like Chuckles, or semantics, like Chickenshit.
>> Chickenshit must have been a great kid. Imagine if his parents told him "NO" ?
>> Response: "What do you mean by No" ?
>> I'm like you, I just sit there and laugh.
>> The more vicious the name-calling, the more they tell me I'm winning the debate.
>> ROFLMAO
>
>I would say that you hit the nail on the head.
>The questions exposed the dishonesty of the Warren Commission "believers" who responded, and the cowardice of those who didn't.

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 09:59:57 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:45:54?PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:

>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:38:08?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>> What I get a big laugh out of is the fact that we keep doing what they
>>> can't do... I post evidential questions (as do you) that they can't
>>> answer... and they can't do the same... I refute well-known authors
>>> such as Bugliosi - and believers can't do the same.
>>
>> And you know you have them by the balls when they resort to insults, like Chuckles, or semantics, like Chickenshit.
>> Chickenshit must have been a great kid. Imagine if his parents told him "NO" ?
>> Response: "What do you mean by No" ?
>> I'm like you, I just sit there and laugh.
>> The more vicious the name-calling, the more they tell me I'm winning the debate.
>> ROFLMAO
>
>I would say that you hit the nail on the head.
>The questions exposed the dishonesty of the Warren Commission "believers" who responded, and the cowardice of those who didn't.

Au contraire!!! Just because they answer - DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T
COWARDS!

Many, if not most of the questions you asked - THEY KNOW THE CORRECT
ANSWER.

They just refuse to give it.

For example, Huckster Sienzant knows beyond any doubt that the
prosectors never dissected the throat wound - BUT HE'S A COWARD WHO
CANNOT *SAY* THAT.

Bud

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Nov 6, 2023, 1:30:04 PM11/6/23

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:44:15 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:

> Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
> of the actual evidence in this case. They can't defend their WCR from
> the actual evidence that is supposed to underlie it.

If they have any sense at all they can see that you guys play silly games with the evidence. You lie about it, misrepresent it, cherry pick it, invent reasons to disregard it, ect. Anything but look at it correctly.

> The fact that we can demonstrate the dishonesty & cowardice of
> believers by merely forcing them to face the evidence in this case -
> AND THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT DO THE SAME THING TO US, shows lurkers
> where the truth lies.

You are delusional, so the way you see things and the actual reality of things are completely different.

> Believers simply *CANNOT* debate - they consistently run away.

Says the coward who removes every point his opponents make.

Bud

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Nov 6, 2023, 1:37:37 PM11/6/23

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:31:47 PM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:44:15 AM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
> > Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
> > of the actual evidence in this case. They can't defend their WCR from
> > the actual evidence that is supposed to underlie it.
> >
> > The fact that we can demonstrate the dishonesty & cowardice of
> > believers by merely forcing them to face the evidence in this case -
> > AND THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT DO THE SAME THING TO US, shows lurkers
> > where the truth lies.
> >
> > Believers simply *CANNOT* debate - they consistently run away.
> >
> > And that fact tells the tale.
> Thank You, Ben.

And now accepting the award for supporting idiot in a conspiracy forum, Gil Jesus.

> And may I say that you have played no small role in exposing their deceptions and lies yourself.

He`s a fucking troll.

> They are a bunch of close-minded individuals who seem to have settled in their "own truth" regarding the assassination.

Can`t seem to find my way around my common sense and ability to reason.

> I've been told in other forums by Lone Nutters that they won't even LOOK at my posts.

People choose for themselves how they want to spend their morality.

> The cowards don't even have the courage to read what I post or look at the links I provide.

You don`t have the guts to make your arguments here, and you certainly don`t have the guts to stick around when people challenge your ideas.

> They have "their truth" and that's that.

That is the way it works. Once you`ve decided we landed on the moon, there is no use dwelling on it.

It is not anyone`s fault but you own that after all this effort you have nothing to offer.

> I'll keep "hitting them with the evidence", as Harold Weisberg suggested, and watch them shit their pants.

The evidence isn`t the problem. It is your inability to apply reason to the evidence that is the problem.

> I know you will too,
> Keep up the good work.

You guys have been dead in the water for as long as I`ve been coming here. That see progress where none is apparent just shows how delusional you are.

Bud

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Nov 6, 2023, 1:38:21 PM11/6/23

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You refuse to show that they didn`t.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 6, 2023, 2:05:42 PM11/6/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:38:20 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>
wrote:

So, according to Bugliosi, it was this "oval" shape that was
"virtually conclusive evidence" of an SBT?

Chickenshit is TERRIFIED of this simple honest question. He knows
that Bugliosi was a moron if he truly thought this... yet you can't
get Chickenshit to publicly acknowledge that Bugliosi said this.

It's a simple "Yes" or "No" question, and Chickenshit cannot cite
where he has EVER answered it. (Without immediately denying it.)

So it's going to keep getting asked until Chickenshit answers it.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 6, 2023, 2:05:54 PM11/6/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:37:35 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

Ben Holmes

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Nov 6, 2023, 2:06:08 PM11/6/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:30:03 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

Chuck Schuyler

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Nov 6, 2023, 11:02:00 PM11/6/23

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:

Gil's toady brought this to the group:

> Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
> of the actual evidence in this case.

Nobody is "terrified" of the evidence, little fella.

They can't defend their WCR from
> the actual evidence that is supposed to underlie it.

Shifting the burden, one of your all-time favorites.

>
> The fact that we can demonstrate the dishonesty & cowardice of
> believers by merely forcing them to face the evidence in this case -

The "evidence" was faced in 1963 and 1964 and a report issued determined your Commie wife-beating hero Oswald murdered two people and seriously injured a third person. Since we don't try dead people for crimes, this is the best you're going to get. Your job as Gil's toady is to put forward a positive case for what happened and not demand that your critics answer your non-stop hobby point bleats.

> AND THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT DO THE SAME THING TO US, shows lurkers
> where the truth lies.

The fact that Team Oswald is still scratching their collective heads and shrugging their shoulders over even the basic facts of that day simply shows we're are on an uneven playing field: one side has a fully formed case, and the other side can't even form a case. Different captains on different ships taking different cargo to different ports on different oceans, all pretending to be part of the same convoy: Team Oswald. Gentleman Don Willis thinks Oswald fired at the motorcade from the fifth floor and for some reason, the evidence was carted up to the sixth floor. No Flags/Toilet guy thinks Oswald fired at the motorcade from the grassy knoll and high-tailed it back inside the TSBD, apparently unseen. You promote the Lifton/Horne theory that a SEAL Team 6 style operation diverted JFK's corpse or the coffin (whatever) for a secret pre-autopsy autopsy. Gil fantasies about a trial where as Oswald's Johnny Cochrane, he'll shake the pillars of American criminal defense history with his elegant arguments that will spring Oswald, with Gil and his client Lee walking out of court, old-style flash bulb cameras capturing the moment for the front pages of newspapers around the globe, with Gil then skillfully negotiating a $1,000,000.00 book deal for poor misunderstood Oswald. This is BATSHIT CRAZY, yet you're all so infected with the disease of conspiracism that you just don't see how nutty you are.

>
> Believers simply *CANNOT* debate - they consistently run away.

Keep telling yourself that. Yawn.

>
> And that fact tells the tale.

I'm glad this forum exists. At least nutjobs like you and Gil are here spewing your nonsense rather than poisoning the water supply or shooting up a school. Keep posting here, and keep the laughs coming.

Gil to whine in 3...2...1...

Chuck Schuyler

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Nov 6, 2023, 11:10:13 PM11/6/23

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There isn't any VICIOUS name calling, just gentle internet mocking. But you want to set yourself up as the Apostle Paul from the Second Epistle to the Corinthians, beset upon by your enemies for--in your case--trying preach the Gospel of JFK Conspiracy.

But go ahead and tell yourself you're winning. Sixty years ago this month and you still cannot grasp the concept of historical guilt as opposed to criminal guilt in a courtroom.

As Trump would say, "Sad!"

David Healy

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Nov 7, 2023, 12:28:18 AM11/7/23

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and the conspiracy message is finally getting through to you? I can hear all the way out west .johnny moaning the stations of the cross in purgatory (you got some atoning to do buster, lmao) -- Ben and Gil have boxed you in, ya can't dance around the DP evidence, nor other case facts... cowardly simply doesn't do the loon nut *justice*. Your lone nut meat and potatoes bullshit has evaporated....

As Trump would say, "it wasn't me, it was the tundra!" lmfao! ! !

David Healy

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Nov 7, 2023, 12:29:56 AM11/7/23

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hear-hear!

Ben Holmes

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Nov 7, 2023, 8:49:15 AM11/7/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 20:10:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler
<chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:45:54?AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:

>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:38:08?PM UTC-5, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>> What I get a big laugh out of is the fact that we keep doing what they
>>> can't do... I post evidential questions (as do you) that they can't
>>> answer... and they can't do the same... I refute well-known authors
>>> such as Bugliosi - and believers can't do the same.
>> And you know you have them by the balls when they resort to insults, like Chuckles, or semantics, like Chickenshit.
>> Chickenshit must have been a great kid. Imagine if his parents told him "NO" ?
>> Response: "What do you mean by No" ?
>> I'm like you, I just sit there and laugh.
>> The more vicious the name-calling, the more they tell me I'm winning the debate.
>> ROFLMAO
>

>But go ahead and tell yourself you're winning.

Most of America agrees with us. That's pretty definitive.

You lose!

Gil Jesus

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Nov 7, 2023, 8:53:35 AM11/7/23

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:02:00 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
>
> Gil's toady brought this to the group:
> > Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
> > of the actual evidence in this case.
> Nobody is "terrified" of the evidence, little fella.

Is that why you wouldn't respond to 39 of the 40 questions ?
Because you're not terrified of the evidence ?
Admit it Chuckles, you're a LOSER.

Gil Jesus

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Nov 7, 2023, 8:56:56 AM11/7/23

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:02:00 PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:

Don't have to. The evidence speaks for itself.

CHUCKLES couldn't find the answer to any of the questions, even the "yes" or "no" questions,
and led the group in the category of questions avoided by bowing out of 39 of the 40.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/uh6y9B38wYw/m/F7Jospt8BgAJ

Ben Holmes

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Nov 7, 2023, 8:59:42 AM11/7/23

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On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 20:01:58 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler
<chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:44:15?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
>
>Gil's toady brought this to the group:

Remember folks, what Chuckles just got through saying: "There isn't

any VICIOUS name calling, just gentle internet mocking."

>> Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
>> of the actual evidence in this case.
>

>Nobody is "terrified" of the evidence...

Can you present the evidence that Corbutt asserted existed for the
chain of custody?

Can you present the evidence that the prosectors dissected the throat
wound?

Yes... you clearly ARE terrified of the evidence in this case.

>They can't defend their WCR from
>> the actual evidence that is supposed to underlie it.
>
>Shifting the burden, one of your all-time favorites.

It's your burden.

>> The fact that we can demonstrate the dishonesty & cowardice of
>> believers by merely forcing them to face the evidence in this case -
>

>The "evidence" was faced in 1963 and 1964 ...

Faced again many more times... You lose!

>> AND THE FACT THAT THEY CANNOT DO THE SAME THING TO US, shows lurkers
>> where the truth lies.
>

>The fact ...

Yes. The fact I just stated can't be refuted by you.

>> Believers simply *CANNOT* debate - they consistently run away.
>
>Keep telling yourself that.

Prove me wrong, coward.

Can you quote the sentence preceding the "A.B.C.D." statement of
Chickenshit's?

No, you cannot. Believers like you run.

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME!

>> And that fact tells the tale.
>
> I'm glad this forum exists. At least nutjobs like you and Gil are
> here spewing your nonsense rather than poisoning the water supply or
> shooting up a school. Keep posting here, and keep the laughs coming.

Can you name this logical fallacy?

>Gil to whine in 3...2...1...

Make up your mind. Either he constantly refuses to respond, or he
responds all the time. Which is it?

Ben Holmes

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Nov 7, 2023, 9:05:30 AM11/7/23

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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 05:53:34 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:02:00?PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:

>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:44:15?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>
>> Gil's toady brought this to the group:
>>> Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
>>> of the actual evidence in this case.
>> Nobody is "terrified" of the evidence, little fella.
>
>Is that why you wouldn't respond to 39 of the 40 questions ?
>Because you're not terrified of the evidence ?
>Admit it Chuckles, you're a LOSER.

Chuckles likes to read our posts because he's learning the facts for
the first time. He doesn't know the case evidence.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 7, 2023, 9:06:11 AM11/7/23

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On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 05:56:54 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:02:00?PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:

>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:44:15?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>> Believers simply *CANNOT* debate - they consistently run away.
>> Keep telling yourself that. Yawn.
>
>Don't have to. The evidence speaks for itself.
>
>CHUCKLES couldn't find the answer to any of the questions, even the "yes" or "no" questions,
>and led the group in the category of questions avoided by bowing out of 39 of the 40.
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/uh6y9B38wYw/m/F7Jospt8BgAJ

Slap 'em with the truth they can't deny!!

BT George

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Nov 7, 2023, 3:45:39 PM11/7/23

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More likely, he just doesn't need to bother, since it has little or no bearing on you CT beliefs and trollish behaviors.

Gil Jesus

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Nov 9, 2023, 7:21:14 AM11/9/23

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:45:39 PM UTC-5, BT George wrote:
> More likely, he just doesn't need to bother, since it has little or no bearing on you CT beliefs and trollish behaviors.

Oh look, another insult from a coward who didn't have the balls to TRY to answer any of the questions.
Speaking of having no balls, is that you, Christina Strimbu ?
LOL.

Bud

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Nov 9, 2023, 7:43:48 AM11/9/23

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On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:21:14 AM UTC-5, Gil Jesus wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 3:45:39 PM UTC-5, BT George wrote:
> > More likely, he just doesn't need to bother, since it has little or no bearing on you CT beliefs and trollish behaviors.
> Oh look, another insult from a coward who didn't have the balls to TRY to answer any of the questions.

Oh look, another insult from a coward who demands answers from other people in an attempt to hide the fact that he has nothing.

Chuck Schuyler

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Nov 9, 2023, 9:29:25 AM11/9/23

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I answered all of them.

> Admit it Chuckles, you're a LOSER.

Okay Ben.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 9, 2023, 10:39:28 AM11/9/23

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On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 04:43:46 -0800 (PST), Bud <sirs...@fast.net>

Ben Holmes

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Nov 9, 2023, 10:39:28 AM11/9/23

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On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 06:29:24 -0800 (PST), Chuck Schuyler
<chucksch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 7:53:35?AM UTC-6, Gil Jesus wrote:
>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 11:02:00?PM UTC-5, Chuck Schuyler wrote:

>>> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:44:15?AM UTC-6, Ben Holmes wrote:
>>>
>>> Gil's toady brought this to the group:
>>>> Thanks to Gil - everyone has seen how believers are simply TERRIFIED
>>>> of the actual evidence in this case.
>>> Nobody is "terrified" of the evidence, little fella.
>> Is that why you wouldn't respond to 39 of the 40 questions ?
>> Because you're not terrified of the evidence ?
>
>I answered all of them.

You're simply proving yourself a liar again...

Gil Jesus

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Nov 10, 2023, 8:04:40 AM11/10/23

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Gil Jesus

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Nov 10, 2023, 8:07:18 AM11/10/23

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Chuckles is trying to take over Corbett's place as the group pathological liar.

Ben Holmes

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Nov 10, 2023, 11:03:08 AM11/10/23

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 05:07:16 -0800 (PST), Gil Jesus
<gjjma...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've challenged these liars time and time again to be judged by an
outside party - They've always refused. I'm quite sure they
understand the lies they tell.