A response to critics of "Walt-Mearsheimer Study: The Israel Lobby"
Arash
May 10, 2006
Letters
The Israel Lobby
From John Mearsheimer & Stephen Walt
We wrote ‘The Israel Lobby’ in order to begin a discussion of a subject that had
become difficult to address openly in the United States [1]. We knew it was likely to
generate a strong reaction, and we are not surprised that some of our critics have
chosen to attack our characters or misrepresent our arguments. We have also been
gratified by the many positive responses we have received, and by the thoughtful
commentary that has begun to emerge in the media and the blogosphere. It is clear
that many people – including Jews and Israelis – believe that it is time to have a
candid discussion of the U.S. relationship with Israel. It is in that spirit that we
engage with the letters responding to our article. We confine ourselves here to the
most salient points of dispute.
One of the most prominent charges against us is that we see the lobby as a
well-organized Jewish conspiracy. Jeffrey Herf and Andrei Markovits, for example,
begin by noting that ‘accusations of powerful Jews behind the scenes are part of the
most dangerous traditions of modern anti-semitism’ [2]. It is a tradition we deplore
and that we explicitly rejected in our article. Instead, we described the lobby as a
loose coalition of individuals and organizations without a central headquarters. It
includes gentiles as well as Jews, and many Jewish-Americans do not endorse its
positions on some or all issues. Most important, the Israel lobby is not a secret,
clandestine cabal; on the contrary, it is openly engaged in interest-group politics
and there is nothing conspiratorial or illicit about its behavior. Thus, we can
easily believe that Daniel Pipes has never ‘taken orders’ from the lobby, because the
Leninist caricature of the lobby depicted in his letter is one that we clearly
dismissed.
Readers will also note that Daniel Pipes does not deny that his organization, "Campus
Watch", was created in order to monitor what academics say, write and teach, so as to
discourage them from engaging in open discourse about the Middle East.
Several writers chide us for making mono-causal arguments, accusing us of saying that
Israel alone is responsible for anti-Americanism in the Arab and Islamic world (as
one letter puts it, anti-Americanism ‘would exist if Israel was not there’) or
suggesting that the lobby bears sole responsibility for the Bush administration’s
decision to invade Iraq. But that is not what we said. We emphasized that U.S.
support for Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories is a powerful source of
anti-Americanism, the conclusion reached in several scholarly studies and U.S.
government commissions (including the 9/11 Commission).
But we also pointed out that support for Israel is hardly the only reason America’s
standing in the Middle East is so low. Similarly, we clearly stated that Osama bin
Laden had other grievances against the United States besides the Palestinian issue,
but as the 9/11 Commission documents, this matter was a major concern for him. We
also explicitly stated that the Lobby, by itself, could not convince either the
Clinton or the Bush administration to invade Iraq. Nevertheless, there is abundant
evidence that the neo-conservatives and other groups within the lobby played a
central role in making the case for war.
At least two of the letters complain that we ‘catalogue Israel’s moral flaws’, while
paying little attention to the shortcomings of other states. We focused on Israeli
behavior, not because we have any animus towards Israel, but because the United
States gives it such high levels of material and diplomatic support. Our aim was to
determine whether Israel merits this special treatment either because it is a unique
strategic asset or because it behaves better than other countries do. We argued that
neither argument is convincing: Israel’s strategic value has declined since the end
of the Cold War and Israel does not behave significantly better than most other
states.
Jeffrey Herf and Andrei Markovits interpret us to be saying that Israel’s ‘continued
survival’ should be of little concern to the United States. We made no such argument.
In fact, we emphasized that there is a powerful moral case for Israel’s existence,
and we firmly believe that the United States should take action to ensure its
survival if it were in danger. Our criticism was directed at Israeli policy and
America’s special relationship with Israel, not Israel’s existence.
Another recurring theme in the letters is that the Lobby ultimately matters little
because Israel’s ‘values command genuine support among the American public’. Thus,
Jeffrey Herf and Andrei Markovits maintain that there is substantial support for
Israel in military and diplomatic circles within the United States. We agree that
there is strong public support for Israel in America, in part because it is seen as
compatible with America’s Judaeo-Christian culture. But we believe this popularity is
substantially due to the lobby’s success at portraying Israel in a favorable light
and effectively limiting public awareness and discussion of Israel’s less savory
actions. Diplomats and military officers are also affected by this distorted public
discourse, but many of them can see through the rhetoric. They keep silent, however,
because they fear that groups like AIPAC will damage their careers if they speak out.
The fact is that if there were no AIPAC, Americans would have a more critical view of
Israel and U.S. policy in the Middle East would look different.
On a related point, Michael Szanto contrasts the US-Israeli relationship with the
American military commitments to Western Europe, Japan and South Korea, to show that
the United States has given substantial support to other states besides Israel [3].
He does not mention, however, that these other relationships did not depend on strong
domestic lobbies. The reason is simple: these countries did not need a lobby because
close ties with each of them were in America’s strategic interest. By contrast, as
Israel has become a strategic burden for the U.S., its American backers have had to
work even harder to preserve the ‘special relationship’.
Other critics contend that we overstate the lobby’s power because we overlook
countervailing forces, such as ‘paleo-conservatives, Arab and Islamic advocacy groups
. . . and the diplomatic establishment’. Such countervailing forces do exist, but
they are no match – either alone or in combination – for the lobby. There are
Arab-American political groups, for example, but they are weak, divided, and wield
far less influence than AIPAC and other organizations that present a strong,
consistent message from the lobby.
Probably the most popular argument made about a countervailing force is Herf and
Markovits’s claim that the centerpiece of U.S. Middle East policy is oil, not Israel.
There is no question that access to that region’s oil is a vital U.S. strategic
interest. Washington is also deeply committed to supporting Israel. Thus, the
relevant question is, how does each of those interests affect U.S. policy? We
maintain that U.S. policy in the Middle East is driven primarily by the commitment to
Israel, not oil interests.
If the oil companies or the oil-producing countries were driving policy, Washington
would be tempted to favor the Palestinians instead of Israel. Moreover, the United
States would almost certainly not have gone to war against Iraq in March 2003, and
the Bush administration would not be threatening to use military force against Iran.
Although many claim that the Iraq war was all about oil, there is hardly any evidence
to support that supposition, and much evidence of the lobby’s influence. Oil is
clearly an important concern for U.S. policymakers, but with the exception of
episodes like the 1973 OPEC oil embargo, the U.S. commitment to Israel has yet to
threaten access to oil. It does, however, contribute to America’s terrorism problem,
complicates its efforts to halt nuclear proliferation, and helped get the United
States involved in wars like Iraq.
Regrettably, some of our critics have tried to smear us by linking us with overt
racists, thereby suggesting that we are racists or anti-semites ourselves. Michael
Taylor, for example, notes that our article has been ‘hailed’ by Ku Klux Klan leader
David Duke [4]. Alan Dershowitz implies that some of our material was taken from
neo-Nazi websites and other hate literature [5]. We have no control over who likes or
dislikes our article, but we regret that David Duke used it to promote his racist
agenda, which we utterly reject. Furthermore, nothing in our piece is drawn from
racist sources of any kind, and Alan Dershowitz offers no evidence to support this
false claim. We provided a fully documented version of the paper so that readers
could see for themselves that we used reputable sources.
Finally, a few critics claim that some of our facts, references or quotations are
mistaken. For example, Alan Dershowitz challenges our claim that Israel was
‘explicitly founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of
blood kinship’.
Israel was founded as a Jewish state (a fact Alan Dershowitz does not challenge), and
our reference to citizenship was obviously to Israel’s Jewish citizens, whose
identity is ordinarily based on ancestry. We stated that Israel has a sizeable number
of non-Jewish citizens (primarily Arabs), and our main point was that many of them
are relegated to a second-class status in a predominantly Jewish society.
We also referred to Golda Meir’s famous statement that ‘there is no such thing as a
Palestinian’, and Jeremy Schreiber reads us as saying that Golda Meir was denying the
existence of those people rather than simply denying Palestinian nationhood. There is
no disagreement here; we agree with Jeremy Schreiber’s interpretation and we quoted
Golda Meir in a discussion of Israel’s prolonged effort ‘to deny the Palestinians’
national ambitions’. [6]
Alan Dershowitz challenges our claim that the Israelis did not offer the Palestinians
a contiguous state at Camp David in July 2000. As support, he cites a statement by
former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and the memoirs of former U.S. negotiator
Dennis Ross. There are a number of competing accounts of what happened at Camp David,
however, and many of them agree with our claim. Moreover, Ehud Barak himself
acknowledges that ‘the Palestinians were promised a continuous piece of sovereign
territory except for a razor-thin Israeli wedge running from Jerusalem . . . to the
Jordan River’. This wedge, which would bisect the West Bank, was essential to Israel’s
plan to retain control of the Jordan River Valley for another six to twenty years.
Finally, and contrary to Alan Dershowitz’s claim, there was no ‘second map’ or map of
a ‘final proposal at Camp David’. Indeed, it is explicitly stated in a note beside
the map published in Dennis Ross’s memoirs that ‘no map was presented during the
final rounds at Camp David’. Given all this, it is not surprising that Ehud Barak’s
foreign minister, Shlomo Ben-Ami, who was a key participant at Camp David, later
admitted: ‘If I were a Palestinian I would have rejected Camp David as well’.
Alan Dershowitz also claims that we quote David Ben-Gurion ‘out of context’ and thus
misrepresented his views on the need to use force to build a Jewish state in all of
Palestine. Alan Dershowitz is wrong.
As a number of Israeli historians have shown, David Ben-Gurion made numerous
statements about the need to use force (or the threat of overwhelming force) to
create a Jewish state in all of Palestine. In October 1937, for example, he wrote to
his son Amos that the future Jewish state would have an "outstanding army . . . so I
am certain that we won’t be constrained from settling in the rest of the country,
either by mutual agreement and understanding with our Arab neighbors, 'or by some
other way' ".
Furthermore, common sense says that there was no other way to achieve that goal,
because the Palestinians were hardly likely to give up their homeland voluntarily.
David Ben-Gurion was a consummate strategist and he understood that it would be
unwise for the Zionists to talk openly about the need for ‘brutal compulsion’.
We quote a memorandum David Ben-Gurion wrote prior to the Extraordinary Zionist
Conference at the Biltmore Hotel in New York in May 1942. He wrote that "it is
impossible to imagine general evacuation" of the Arab population of Palestine
"without compulsion, and brutal compulsion".
Alan Dershowitz claims that David Ben-Gurion’s subsequent statement – "we should in
no way make it part of our program" – shows that he opposed the transfer of the Arab
population and the "brutal compulsion" it would entail. But David Ben-Gurion was not
rejecting this policy: he was simply noting that the Zionists should not openly
proclaim it. Indeed, he said that they should not "discourage other people, British
or American, who favor transfer from advocating this course, but we should in no way
make it part of our program".
We close with a final comment about the controversy surrounding our article. Although
we are not surprised by the hostility directed at us, we are still disappointed that
more attention has not been paid to the substance of the piece.
The fact remains that the United States is in deep trouble in the Middle East, and it
will not be able to develop effective policies if it is impossible to have a
civilized discussion about the role of Israel in American foreign policy.
http://lrb.co.uk/v28/n09/letters.html
Notes:
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[1] The Israel Lobby (March 23, 2006)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
[2] Letters: Jeffrey Herf & Andrei Markovits (April 6, 2006)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n07/letters.html#4
[3] Letters: Michael Szanto (April 6, 2006)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n07/letters.html#2
[4] Letters: Michael Taylor (April 6, 2006)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n07/letters.html#5
[5] Letters: Alan Dershowitz (April 20, 2006)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n08/letters.html#1
[6] Letters: Jeremy Schreiber (April 20, 2006)
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n08/letters.html#8
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d8a9ecd34b6a04ce
Nigger to address AIPAC
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0b436d3334d47ca9
Israeli spy rejects plea deal
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/97ccfbaddb7bfbc9
The State Department's extreme makeover
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/c49481cb0ad82dd7
Neocons Blast Bush's Inaction On 'Spy' Affair
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/66c094aea035ebb0
Larry Franklin fires lawyer
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/41cbd48d495e9ada
Israel punished CBS by giving it false documents on Bush
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/deb03f6b8c1b757a
Israeli 'Mordechai Vanunu': End Israeli nukes first
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d6bb72e81c271bd1
Poll: Jews are spies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/6e5c760794906c19
Israel's beloved MEK terrorist 'Alireza Jafarzadeh'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/dcda82bb62db433a
Jews: Everyone telling truth is an Anti-Semite
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/96124f77ea592c60
Be scared of Jew godfather Norman Podhoretz, not Osama
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a6bda38e4a9140dc
AIPAC spy affair concerns Iran more than Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2554b7fa4e351681
AIPAC spy case involves intelligence on Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/7561b44ac54c74e8
Israeli military attache met with Larry Franklin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3454d526137a305a
Pentagon: Jews own America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3120d8151cd5a368
How AIPAC controls America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e4a024c8afde7761
Inside the Israel espionage investigation
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/741880df63a475d3
Jew spin on Israeli spy affair
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0f192576d6fc1c0f
Ugly picture: SISMI, Mossad, CIA, MI6
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/948249a9d349a557
U.S. is just a province of Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a977aee0625a0c27
Headquarter of Zionist-Azaris
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/7c0d09570b3db598
I can just hear the Presidential conversation. "Did I say Iraq backed al-Qaeda?" he
asks with a boyish grin. "Oh, heck, I meant Iran. I always get those two mixed up".
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/af556b3d179dce63
Axis Of Spies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3103b787cf2776bb
Poor Jew-lover 'Larry Franklin'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/9cda15866350834a
Nest of Spies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a7b75a6373579dc3
Steven Rosen, Keith Weissman - AIPAC terrorists
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/dceea4f86f10ba21
Behind the Israeli mole affair
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/c2732ff27082c23c
Larry Franklin hates Iran passionately
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/dee5ee0251596b4a
Report on Iran Key to spying inquiry
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/9cfc3f608ab89480
Jews spy on Jews on Iran, interesting!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/ad309bd67eaee0ad
Mossad agent & fabricator
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/725fe51e0622dd38
'Michael Ledeen' is a dangerous animal
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a2787c6cc58a1255
Jews: antagonize Iran so they get frustrated
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/6ace909d2455efeb
Who is the head of Azari-Skinheads?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2eabab1a44d66a76
A chat with the leader of azari-skinheads
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/209847dd5106b91e
Jew "Brenda Shaffer" leader of Zionist-azaris
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/8118481c689e3b17
Things are getting ugly for dirty Jews & Azari-Skinheads
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/beb62a7027360cfc
Headquarter of Azari-Skinheads target of spy probe
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/7c0d09570b3db598
Leader of Azari-Skinheads exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/91cbf23a753966c0
CIA & Mosad planners give support to Azari-Skinheads
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/c8d6e023b8131c18
After setting-up Azari-Skinheads, Brenda Shaffer is now working on Nukes
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/9ff5968c586ab548
Know thy enemy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/fa5337ab80d46979
What are Iran's domestic priorities?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d51856c6861897b0
Lawmakers met with Iranian exile scrutinized over intelligence
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d9bd00a0920b05bf
US-UK & Paki Islamic terror networks
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/b2b8c392d0ba345d
The American hand in Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/658f0dc1ee0e6ca6
AIPAC can place you by the elbow of the President
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/72bed98236d4a4b1
Who's Behind the Coming War With Iran?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/f4ba4adbeeacf972
Jew lobbyists charged with classified leaks
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/f0459ee06d09c030
Israelis bragged about Pentagon spy Larry Franklin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/c26251e6e9ea8487
Israeli spy ring update - Israeli art students & movers story
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/04066a14eb8ba1d9
The Plame/AIPAC-gate Connection
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/1f56a3e0bcf41b75
Neocon History: How Jews took over America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/8577f89e1d225111
Iran Policy Committee: Pentagon Mouthpiece, Israeli Ally, MEK Supporter
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/97c8cbcf1dea31ec
Jew agent Mohammad Parvin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e991ff4cd34e10c4
ZioNazis really love & care for Iranians!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4435aed741ab5bbc
Resistance in the Middle East is Not a “Discontinuous Event”
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/cc09b92c91832e98
Michael Rubin - Learn about Jews who care about Iran!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d449965360da1f42
Info on Michael Rubin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bf71dd4df1b4694e
Lebanese Maronite shit "Michael Maloof" & Moonies try to connect Al-Qaida (CIA) to
Shias
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/69943c4d47321c3e
JEW 'Kenneth Pollack', author of "Persian Puzzle", is part of JEWPAC espionage
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2e5d8e9ecb097405
U.S. Expands Aid to Iran's Democracy Advocates Abroad
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4e18974eb616face
Planners of strategy to use Zionist-Azaris to destabilize Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/910d054d54919318
Network of Middle East "experts"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0c5bdbd69470096a
Jews plot against Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/78f0b1ef3f34d906
NPR is another Jew-FOX
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/35ee68371040cbb5
The emergence of a new Axis: Los Angeles-Tel Aviv-Tehran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/eb9a65a1c9a973f7
New Front Sets Sights On Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/603696d3c99d0219
The coalition of Iran-haters
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/93a5a9f3c615118b
JINSA - How JEW occupied America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2fab08bcc3d07f86
Guilty plea planned in secrets case
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a2deb00b2bef79ad
Larry Franklin guilty in Israeli espionage case
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/ac5aecd8041997af
Israeli-Arab "Psychological Operation"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/12c70fc875d4be34
Israelis urge U.S. to stop Iran's nuke goals
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2a78206b45d2cd5d
Mother of all scandals - With friends like this...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/60273e3841b24fa5
AIPAC, AEI are trying to whip up an anti-Iran frenzy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a44a185017d7a9a1
White House manipulation of the media
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e9da14f43b85eeba
The Exorcism of the New York Times
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4bb62103d6c6f358
Grand Strategy For the Middle East
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bec2fec22e9ebf7a
The report they forgot: Feith, Rhode, Franklin, Ghorbanifar & SISMI
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3bf51ba5c456a651
Larry Franklin/AIPAC/Lewis Libby/Judith Miller/Valerie Plame Wilson
http://www.franklingate.com
Plame affair/PlameGate/CIA leak scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair
White House Staff "Starting Lineup" Biographies
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/buildbio.html
Clumsy forgeries, Italian style
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4a805cdf34b2b015
Historic opportunity
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a13e9901a9e9b597
Indictment gives glimpse into Israeli operation
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3b21cac1f464b907
Indictments put focus on JewCons
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/b8bb0fa7742cf0d1
Fallout from PlameGate runs deep
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/1bf18fcce356b6eb
The first Jacobin falls
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a057d899e75f0279
JEW Irv Lewis 'Scooter' Libby indicted
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/66853cb8c2a9e981
Very dark days for the White House: Andrew Card, WH Chief of Staff
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/071dcac6f8530582
Aide to Cheney appears likely to be indicted; Rove under scrutiny
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/fb1de4ed7251e42b
Cover-Up Issue Is Seen as Focus in Leak Inquiry
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/f8a438a900ef766e
Michael "P2" Ledeen’s fingers in the yellowcake forgery
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0a8e9166c36eb579
Michael "P2" Ledeen; faster, please!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d8d134f253c6702d
Fixing and forging intelligence
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4c6663c968fd5f6c
Fitzgerald has decided to seek indictments, those near inquiry say
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2b64050fa07440ea
A CIA cover blown, a White House exposed - How JEW screws America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/433a0266bf2c99d0
Larry Franklin, Karl Rove, a whole lot of JEWS, & the Espionage Act
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/daf24178eb29563f
The Politics of 'Creative Destruction'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/40d87f1189d15dcd
White House JEW cabal: Colonel Wilkerson
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/dd9285a9efc88835
White House cabal - dumb, but smart Feith
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/354075c6e822593b
New York Times LIES exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/5abb8776ce90451e
Is the New York Times an Israeli spy nest?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/f3a8bb8928b50b97
Exorcism of the New York Times
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4bb62103d6c6f358
White House manipulation of the media
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e9da14f43b85eeba
Stifling neo-crazy media sycophants
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/8790e709a9a122b4
Grand Strategy For the Middle East
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bec2fec22e9ebf7a
Turkish-Israeli espionage in America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d6c6099bc646741b
Turkey, Israel and the U.S. (The Axis of Satan)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4315a88c84ef1278
JEW exposed - Let justice be done
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7743
Living in fascist states of America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/85d98a73d14b359b
Poetic justice - White House "spin" spins out of control
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e9a5be43e43bcc2f
Larry Franklin-Plame connection
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/cbc77a30a4b0072f
Gaffney’s gripe
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/57532e69ef10fb8c
JEW: we didn't Know Larry Franklin was spying for us!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bf821b9b3c785f6f
AIPAC, AEI are trying to whip up an anti-Iran frenzy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a44a185017d7a9a1
JEW-gate - a criminal conspiracy
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7490
GLADIO revealed: SISMI-CIA-MI6-Mossad and fake nuke documents
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/c482c86bb25b8e9c
The IAEA, New York Times and the New World Order
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/39dfff306dfba6cf
The New York Times, Nuclear Weapons and Iran: Stupidity, Laziness or Déjà vu All Over
Again?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/f2718b3d938eaed2
The Exorcism of the New York Times
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4bb62103d6c6f358
Cataloging the wretched reporting of Judith Miller
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d7ba3e0a9c3a0c64
Grand Strategy For the Middle East
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bec2fec22e9ebf7a
Cracks in the JEW fortress? Judith Miller, Lewis Libby, John Bolton, & AIPAC
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/c15c2b39abf7529f
Beneath spy 'outing' lies story of many JEW lies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2ea0ee4fcfc89f5b
Judy Miller the neocon and $1.2 million book deal
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/eb657b913add5b6b
Judy Miller and the AIPAC spy case
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/04722ec8d2dce7b2
Lies of Judith Miller of Jew York Tiems
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/d7ba3e0a9c3a0c64
Disgraced neo-crazy media sycophant Judith Miller
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/009482f7d2fcd131
Getting rid of Jayson Blair and Judith Miller was a good beginning, but the NYT still
has "reporters" publishing as "facts" neo-crazy (and eco-wacko) propaganda.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a8c72c78d5b0182d
Judith Miller is no longer spreading neo-crazy lies and misleading statements on the
front page of the New York Times. However, David E. Sanger is still on the job.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/6f573bd90d5e1ee1
As always, the New York Times has spearheaded the propaganda war with an article by
Jew Richard Bernstein and Jew Steven Weisman which lays out the sketchy case against
Iran.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/533df1a6e9c70757
A Dear Judy letter from Scooter Libby--with Admiration
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/86107957029306c3
How the CIA paid for Jew Miller's stories
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3cce00b07f899fee
White House manipulation of the media
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e9da14f43b85eeba
Fixing and forging intelligence
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/4c6663c968fd5f6c
The first Jacobin falls
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a057d899e75f0279
Nocon's zealotry is blowing up in their faces
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/802d8922e9609257
Indictment gives glimpse into Israeli operation
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/3b21cac1f464b907
Israel and the neocons: The Lewis Libby affair
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/db8281ff44bd388e
White House cabal - dumb, but smart Feith
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/354075c6e822593b
JEW Michael "P2" Ledeen linked to forged uranium documents
http://groups.google.ca/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0a3aed650f66d629
GLADIO at work: Michael "P2" Ledeen, Silvio "P2" Berlusconi, Nicolo "P2" Pollari,
SISMI, & Stephen Hadley linked to uranium lies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/04709af68e51b02e
Michael "P2" Ledeen exposed; yet he's not arrested! "American Justice"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/db7fad39c1c29cf0
New York Times censorship: Why Dr. Khodr's letter is not published?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e278ec3a05a77e83
Western nation's use of "torture" is now called "abuse"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/7bbaa3eb12fca947
JEW spies consider suing the AIPAC
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/fd1603eaf91c78ab
AIPAC statement on the U.S. administration's policy on Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0c5663f63d76e5c0
Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/111b222eb6a82d3e
How To Sell a War; ask John Rendon
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/04fb9da4e49937f6
A JEW conspiracy so vast…the Plame plot thickens
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/e0790a3ef011067c
The Simon Wiesenthal Center: A Bastion of JEW propaganda
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/6d9f7ea3b19c28fa
How to sell War to the masses
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bd3077c988854883
Saddam apologist turned anti-Saddam
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/2e7a780269016f19
Double Talk & Biological Warfare
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/96e539085f95a552
Jewish propaganda agent: Benador Associates
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/bedf5c550a880efc
Scholarship or Sophistry?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/a115d9c0e44bfdf1
Network of Middle East "experts"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.iranian/msg/0c5bdbd69470096a