Re: Chips, Fries, Soda (and Red Meat) Most to Blame for Long-Term Weight Gain
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Henry Wrote:
> > I believe the main factor in most diets is
> > how much you eat rather than what you eat. A long time ago, before I knew I
> > had diabetes, I went on a "MacDonalds Diet" and lost weight. You see, I had
> > a McFeast with nothing else - no fries, no milkshake, no soda - as my main
> > meal, and nothing much else during the day.
>
> You are correct, only calories count as far as weight gain/loss is
> concerned. And no doubt one could lose weight on a diet solely of
> chips, fries, and red meat. In fact a nutrition proffesor recently
> illustrated this point by going on a 1800 calorie diet exclusively of
> twinkies - he lost weight.
>
> Ths point of this paper is that most folks who do gain over the years
> do eat by too many calories of fries, chips and red meat.
>
> An earth shattering finding -no, relevant to folks in this group -
> probably not, another study thats make interesting reading in this
> group - yes (imo)
It really is smarter to http://WDJW.net/NotDiet
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Nomen Nescio
Randy wrote:
> You are correct, only calories count as far as weight gain/loss is
> concerned. And no doubt one could lose weight on a diet solely of
> chips, fries, and red meat. In fact a nutrition professor recently
> illustrated this point by going on a 1800 calorie diet exclusively of
> twinkies - he lost weight.
>
> Ths point of this paper is that most folks who do gain over the years
> do eat by too many calories of fries, chips and red meat.
>
> An earth shattering finding -no, relevant to folks in this group -
> probably not, another study thats make interesting reading in this
> group - yes (imo)
Weight loss doesn't mean a thing. David Letterman was extremely lean and
had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
quadruple bypass. What you eat is critical. Being thin doesn't prevent
artery blockages or vitamin D deficiencies etc. Only proper nutrtion
will keep you healthy.
ra...@val.com
ra...@val.com
> had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
> quadruple bypass. What you eat is critical. Being thin doesn't prevent
> artery blockages or vitamin D deficiencies etc. Only proper nutrtion
> will keep you healthy.
I agree (mostly) and thanks for the clarification. My point was that
as far as weight loss/gain only calories count. Decades of detailed
metabolic ward studies have shown this to be true. Low calorie lousy
diets are not good long term, but low calorie "good" diets are optimal
-big time.
I do disagree that "weight loss doesn't mean a thing" that's not true.
For instance, during WW2 heart attacks rates dropped drastically in
western Europe due to the meager diet (and it was far from a optimal
diet).
Randy
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> > Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
> > David Letterman was extremely lean and
> > had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
> > quadruple bypass.
The absolutely only healthy way to lose VAT is not exercise and
http://WDJW.net/NotDiet but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
the overeating.
Ramir Nieto
> someone wrote:
>>
>>> Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
>
> Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
>
>>> David Letterman was extremely lean and
>>> had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
>>> quadruple bypass.
>
> The absolutely only healthy way to lose VAT is not exercise and
> http://WDJW.net/NotDiet but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
> by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
> the overeating.
Letterman didn't have any VAT. He was thin as a rail. But his arteries
were still clogged up. 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries a day will
destroy a person. And no exercise to that and it destroys a person
faster. But at least the 50-year-old's corpse won't have any VAT.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > someone wrote:
> >>
> >>> Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
> >
> > Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
> >
> >>> David Letterman was extremely lean and
> >>> had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
> >>> quadruple bypass.
> >
> > The absolutely only healthy way to lose VAT is not exercise and
> > http://WDJW.net/NotDiet but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
> > the overeating.
>
> Letterman didn't have any VAT.
Atherosclerotic plaques within his coronary arteries is VAT as is the
epicardial fat on the surface of his heart.
Truth is simply reality.
And the reality is that right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm
R Kelly
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:770e6338-485c-4fac...@j23g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> Randy wrote:
>> Henry Wrote:
>> > I believe the main factor in most diets is
>> > how much you eat rather than what you eat. A long time ago, before I
>> > knew I
>> > had diabetes, I went on a "MacDonalds Diet" and lost weight. You see, I
>> > had
>> > a McFeast with nothing else - no fries, no milkshake, no soda - as my
>> > main
>> > meal, and nothing much else during the day.
>>
>> You are correct, only calories count as far as weight gain/loss is
>> concerned. And no doubt one could lose weight on a diet solely of
>> chips, fries, and red meat. In fact a nutrition proffesor recently
>> illustrated this point by going on a 1800 calorie diet exclusively of
>> twinkies - he lost weight.
>>
>> Ths point of this paper is that most folks who do gain over the years
>> do eat by too many calories of fries, chips and red meat.
>>
>> An earth shattering finding -no, relevant to folks in this group -
>> probably not, another study thats make interesting reading in this
>> group - yes (imo)
>
> It really is smarter to http://WDJW.net/NotDiet
Lie.
Big Fish
wrote:
> someone wrote:
>
>
> > Letterman didn't have any VAT.
>
> Atherosclerotic plaques within his coronary arteries is VAT as is the
> epicardial fat on the surface of his heart.
And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
on and make it worse.
> Truth is simply reality.
The simple truth is Letterman never overate and was/is "thin as a
rail"
So now all of a sudden zero belly fat isn't a factor. Change you tune
much, Charlie?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > someone wrote:
> >
> > > Letterman didn't have any VAT.
> >
> > Atherosclerotic plaques within his coronary arteries is VAT as is the
> > epicardial fat on the surface of his heart.
>
> And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
> on and make it worse.
No.
The cause of VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) is overeating (more than 32
oz/day) of **anything**.
Therefore, the cure is to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to
the right daily amount (32 oz) thereby stopping the overeating.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
%
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don'tforget to fuck
Brian Gene Kelley, PhD
wrote:
> someone wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > someone wrote:
>
> > > > Letterman didn't have any VAT.
>
> > > Atherosclerotic plaques within his coronary arteries is VAT as is the
> > > epicardial fat on the surface of his heart.
>
> > And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
> > on and make it worse.
>
> No.
Yes. Even 4oz of processed meat and deep fried foods will cause
atherosclerotic plaques to worsen.
> The cause of VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) is overeating (more than 32
> oz/day) of **anything**.
Of which you have zero proof, outside a a few distorted Bible verses
and self-generated anecdotal nonsense.
Ramir Nieto
I completely agree.
Ramir Nieto
That is the truth.
Max
"GysdeJongh" <JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl> wrote in message
news:4e06404b$0$31304$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com...
Quiet, Chung.
Max
"R Kelly" <i...@pissonyou.com> wrote in message
news:Zpidnd8oYZHeT5jT...@giganews.com...
It must be a lie. Eating 32oz a day of processed meat and fried foods with
no exercise, won't prevent a heart attack.
R Kelly
μυστικό όνομα
> someone wrote:
>> somebody wrote:
>>> someone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Letterman didn't have any VAT.
>>>
>>> Atherosclerotic plaques within his coronary arteries is VAT as is the
>>> epicardial fat on the surface of his heart.
>>
>> And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
>> on and make it worse.
>
> No.
Yes. Eating 32oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will give a person
heart disease.
μυστικό όνομα
Uh, he's never supplied any proof outside a a few distorted Bible verses
and self-generated anecdotal nonsense?
Kumar
wrote:
> someone wrote:
>
> > > Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
>
> Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
>
> > > David Letterman was extremely lean and
> > > had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
> > > quadruple bypass.
>
> by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
> the overeating.
>
> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:
>
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
Best greetings.
Reducing food Vs. Diabetes control
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13887909
Can't say, if persisting hyperglycemia may serve as an alternative to
energy stores, if breakdown of reguar stores(glycogen,fats..) are
resisted due to near constant insulin's indicative actions? Near
constant insulin's exposure should be possible due to persisting
hyperglycemia(endogenous) along with injected insulin. Insulin's other
actions than glucose uptake are indicative of increased energy stores
sysnthesis, increasede stores & decreasing their breakdown. ??
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > someone wrote:
> >
> > > > Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
> >
> > Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
> >
> > > > David Letterman was extremely lean and
> > > > had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
> > > > quadruple bypass.
> >
> > The absolutely only healthy way to lose VAT is not exercise andhttp://WDJW.net/NotDietbut rather tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthe body
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
> > the overeating.
> >
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
>
> Reducing food Vs. Diabetes control
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13887909
>
> Can't say, if persisting hyperglycemia may serve as an alternative to
> energy stores, if breakdown of reguar stores(glycogen,fats..) are
> resisted due to near constant insulin's indicative actions?
No, hyperglycemia is not an alternative to energy stores.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Happy Oyster <>
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Kumar wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > someone wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
>> >
>> > Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
>> >
>> > > > David Letterman was extremely lean and
>> > > > had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
>> > > > quadruple bypass.
>> >
>> > The absolutely only healthy way to lose VAT is not exercise andhttp://WDJW.net/NotDietbut rather tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthe body
>> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
>> > the overeating.
>> >
>> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
>> > more sophisticated and smarter:
>> >
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>>
>> Best greetings.
>>
>> Reducing food Vs. Diabetes control
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13887909
>>
>> Can't say, if persisting hyperglycemia may serve as an alternative to
>> energy stores, if breakdown of reguar stores(glycogen,fats..) are
>> resisted due to near constant insulin's indicative actions?
>
>No, hyperglycemia is not an alternative to energy stores.
>
>Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a plain criminal. He is an insane stalker, whose
medical claims can - if followed - lead to death.
And he knows that. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be erased from the
planet.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a danger to the public.
FAQ about the Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
========================================
3.7.2011
0. Preword
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0. Preword
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Today is May, 6th., 2010.
Since 14.9.2009 until now I received 9135 posts in this very news-group
sci.med.cardiology.
Of these 9135 posts 3228 are sent by Andrew Ben Hua Chung. His sole interest is
to harass and to stalk others.
Here are some quotes of examples:
A)
On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:25:13 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:
>There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
>psychopathology:
B)
On Thu, 06 May 2010 08:46:45 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:
A look at the header reveals:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WIJ.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Politely asking Steve Hayes a 4th time here that simple yes/no question
that only the perishing can't answer with an affirmative ...
</quote>
Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a damned swine and criminal Net stalker, he even
terrorizes dying patients. Following his "advice" can lead to death.
The usenet is one of the most wonderful and important inventions in the history
of mankind. It is not meant to be abused by criminals like the sadistic stalker
Andrew Ben Hua Chung.
1. Where to FILE A COMPLAINT about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-------------------------------------------------------------
Complaints about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung can be sent to these police
officers:
Contact Information
Sheriff Neil Warren
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4609
E-mail: neil....@cobbcounty.org
Chief Deputy Sheriff Lynda Coker
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
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Executive Assistance
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Telephone: (770) 499-4609
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Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Telephone: (770) 499-4611
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E-mail: Paula....@CobbCounty.Org
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Assistant
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Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4617
E-mail: Kimberly...@cobbcounty.org
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2. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a sadistic swine
-------------------------------------------
Andrew Ben Hua Chung is no real doctor. He is a sadistic swine. He makes claims
(gives medical "advice"), which to follow can lead to death. And he terrorizes
people, in the Net and in Real Life.
Do note: Hunger damages the brain tissue!
But Andrew Ben Hua Chung day for day bombs his shit into the Net. He terrorizes
persons who object him, by pulling off his insane religiot mumbo-jumbo.
Look at the state of various news-goups, including so important ones like
sci.med.cardiology
His mess he bombs simltaneously into
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.atheism
What the hell has alt.atheism to do with cardiology!?
Andrew Ben Hung Chung is a swine of a spammer. He copies the same shit uncounted
times as "reply" to objections against his shit.
What he does is by no means covered by "Free Speech".
He interferes public safety phones, this way violating the public safety rules.
He is a danger to public.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung terrorizes Netizens. Here is one more piece of proof:
<quote>
Path:
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD " <disc...@t3wij.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Mom passed away yesterday
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Debbie wrote:
> I've been sad since mom's death
> I haven't been able to sleep
> and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
Smarter to freely choose to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding
to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the
overeating that causes the VAT that leads to having type-2 diabetes.
Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
when she died of type-2 diabetes out of wilful disobediance.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
x--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
</quote>
3. "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
-------------------------------------------------------
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med.cardiology/2007-01/msg00014.html
<quote>
"Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
From: "Tdub" <gripshift5@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 1 Jan 2007 18:13:38 -0800
By the manner of his participation in this forum "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung"
may have violated the following section 360-3-.02 of the Rules of the
Georgia Medical Board ("Unprofessional Conduct Defined"):
(6) Providing treatment and/or consultation recommendations via
electronic or other means unless the licensee has performed a history and
physical examination of the patient adequate to establish differential diagnoses
and identify underlying conditions and/or contra- indications to the treatment
recommended.
(13) Practicing medicine while mentally, physically, or chemically impaired.
(14) Failing to use such means as history, physical examination, laboratory, or
radiographic studies, when applicable, to diagnose a medical problem.
In addition, the Board may require Dr. Chung to get a psych evaluation:
360-3-.04 Mental or Physical Evaluations.
(1) The Board may, upon reasonable grounds, require a licensee or
applicant to submit to a mental or physical examination by a physician and/or
evaluation program approved by the Board. The costs of the evaluation are the
responsibility of the licensee or applicant.
TO FILE A COMPLAINT:
Here is a link to the complaint form (copy and paste address text as
needed into browser address bar+remove any blank spaces):
You will need this information to fill out the form:
License type: Medical Doctor
Name of licensee: Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
Address of licensee: 5701 Mableton Parkway 2B, MABLETON, GA 30126
The form can be sent to (or you can call to get a form or file a
complaint, etc.):
Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
PH: (404) 657-6487
FX: (404) 656-9723
</quote>
4. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
------------------------------------------
http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/t-just-something-for-many-of-you-to-think-about-1451523.html
<quote>
7th March 07:42
bob pastorio
Just something for many of you to think about.
----------------------------------------------
It is laughter. It is consuming, driving, uncontrollable mirth. It is
the reaction to one of the most ironic posts I've ever seen. It is the
laughter of confirmation. It is the laughter that comes when the full
truth about you is revealed after myriad of your efforts to try to
conceal it.
You're hilarious, Chung. And you don't even get it.
But this leads to a more serious subject. It's this: I've come to the
realization that you actually believe the stuff you write here. That
it's terribly important to you despite your declarations to the
contrary, that it's just usenet. That it's merely usenet and not to be
taken seriously. Your gratitude for the "opportunity to witness before
so many" or words to that effect present a sobering picture. You
actually believe that your proselytizing in these threads will yield
good result. You believe that your tactics are acceptable because
others will hear your promotion of your idea of Christianity.
You have the zealotry of the fanatic. The unassailable conviction that
you have an exclusive grasp on truth. That you are perfect in your
understanding and perfect in your belief and that any means to present
that to others is acceptable. Thus you have taken a rather low road
for what you see as a high purpose.
I'm bowing out of all this, Chung. Not because I think you right, but
because I see that I overestimated you. I didn't really want to
believe that you were simply a fundamentalist Christian zealot. I
thought that a scientific background would create in you a desire for
evidence and proof or at least a rigorous logical perspective. One can
be a believer and still be a conscientious scientist. I know many such
people. You don't seem to be that person.
Your 2PoundDiet may be useful for a few, but I doubt it could have any
wider utility. I think it's superficial and too limited for general
application. It admits of no impulse and none of the pleasure of
either the food or the social table. You've utterly ignored the
communion and secondary issues of the table that have nothing to do
with food in your formulation. The children of parents doing 2PD
seeing no pleasure in the moment or the offerings will grow to wish to
avoid the setting. Particularly in the culture they're part of,
whichever it is. Every culture on earth makes a big deal of community
eating for the fellowship and respite. You've taken that away and
turned it into a mere fuel stop. It flies in the face of eons or human
evolution as social creatures. I certainly don't hate it; I think it's
a trifle.
You try to peddle the pejorative description of me as chef. As though
it were somehow degrading to be one. It's honest labor and I'm pleased
with my experience in food service and how I've affected the lives of
hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of diners. I'm pleased
with my life before that as an international marketer with big and
little companies. That's neither here nor there for this note. Just
information.
Actually, at this stage of my life, I'm more a writer than chef. More
than 1000 pieces published in newspapers and magazines across the US.
Pieces in encyclopedia to come out next year. Web sites for many
clients. Facts, rational and likely conclusions, and let the chips
fall where they may. You don't work that way so we have little common
purpose.
Dealing with you has been an interesting study in the use of language.
I've watched you deliberately obscure meaning. Deliberately
misunderstand and mislead. Deliberately try to confuse and confound. I
thought these were merely tactics. I was wrong. These are your
lifeblood. These are your needs to prevent finding error in your
belief package. These methods are central to your need to protect what
you believe. My opinion is that they're profoundly unhealthy.
Obviously, you disagree or you wouldn't do it.
So here's the bottom line. I'm out of these threads with you. Barring
some egregious post from you, I'm not going to participate in these
little fiestas. I do think that the judgments you've shown in these
posts reflect poorly on you as a person and as a medical professional.
For you to throw around professional terminology like "differential
diagnosis" as a tool of argument is IMO a shabby stunt, particularly
when you know it to be a sham. So enjoy yourself with the other people
you're playing with. The floor is yours to do with as you wish.
I'm withdrawing from this confabulation. I suspect you'll do your
abnormal normal thing and hang your macro at the end. Have at it.
Pastorio
</quote>
5. verity about Chung
---------------------
On 03 May 2010 13:17:32 GMT, ver...@gefinden.com wrote:
<quote>
Truth:
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice
All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.
The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in
scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a
new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new
information led where the agenda demands.
Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.
There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar
with the inventor's posts.
May God bless and protect and heal.
</quote>
6. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:52:44 -0700, GreatSageItchy <GreatSa...@null.com>
wrote:
<quote>
ANDREW B. CHUNG IS A TOTALLY EGOCENTRIC, TOTALLY ARROGANT, INSANE,
WHACK-JOB. HIS ATTRACTION TO RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY IS ENTIRELY THE
ATTRACTION OF OPPOSITES. ANDREW CHUNG WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
WHEN CAMELS FLY THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE, AND COWS FLY TO THE MOON.
CHUNG IS A COCKROACH INFESTATION AND DESTROYER OF USENET*. DO NOT FEED
COCKROACHES. (*See sci.med.cardiology)
BOTTOM LINE ON CHUNG: ALL EGO, NOTHING BUT EGO. PURE ARROGANCE.
TOTALLY UNREPENTENT ASSHOLE SPAMMER.
TAGS: Andrew B. Chung, WDJW, sci.med.cardiology, Emory University,
WDJW.net, 2PD-OMER Approach, total egoist, insane, internet creep,
usenet #1 asshole, certifiable sick asshole, human garbage, closet
homosexual, erectile dysfunction, MANBLA, young boys, molestation,
chikan, pervert, pedophile, extreme fundamentalist Christian asshole,
pseudo-christian, "Jesus is LORD" aka "EGO Christianity", psychopath,
totally arrogant spammer, usenet cockroach, stalker, satanic demon,
egomaniac, ladyboy, "chicks with dicks", "God loves fags", "Jesus is
LORD GOD KING BUFU".
Chung's Favorite Newsgroups:
alt.EGO-Christianity.Jesus.is.LORD.GOD.KING.BUFU
alt.prettyboy.loves-Jesus-and-cock
alt.ladyboyChung.sucks.cock.for.Jesus
alt.fuck.my.ladyboy.poosy
alt.bottom.bitch.for.Jesus
The sayings of Andrew B. Chung of Emory University:
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3). Can you say 'Jesus is LORD'? Can you also say 'Muhammad was a
goat-fucking son of SATAN?'
"This gentile Christian disciple reminds friends that the name 'Quran',
as translated from original Arabic, means: 'Goat-fucking for dummies' "
"It has been the observation of this bona-fide licensed physician that
negros are actually big monkeys with large sex organs."
"Death to the imperialist war-mongers of the Communist Party of China."
"Death to the fascist bandits and insects Hu Jintao, and his running
dogs, the Communist Party of China."
Death to the murderer Deng Xiaoping, of Hu Yaobang and Chinese freedom."
"Freedom for the people of Tibet - Long live the Dal
</quote>
7. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.heartmdphd.com/stalking.asp
<quote>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
Cyber-stalking.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/
Special Message to Visitors (and Cyber-stalkers)
As a web site like HeartMDPhD.com becomes more "famous," it was inevitable that
both the site and its author would become the target of harassment by those who
have become obsessed with either. This is cyber-stalking, it is a crime, and a
good discussion about it can be found by clicking here.
This has happened, but rather than ignore this criminal behavior, I feel it is
my civic responsibility to make the occurrence of such criminal behavior
publicly known here after reporting it to the proper authorities in order to
discourage it else others may fall victim to similar behavior by these and/or
other perpetrators. Crime is effective only when victims choose to fall silent.
You can find a partial list of those folks from whom I have received harassing
electronic messages by clicking here. Some of their handiwork can also be seen
in my guestbook. I have also posted sample email headers from these
cyber-stalkers in order to fully publicize their crimes.
Please know that I have forgiven these people for they know not what they are
doing.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional
love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1
Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
Sign Guestbook View Guestbook
Copyright � 1995-2009 by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD. All Rights Reserved.
Atlanta, Georgia (United States of America) 404.699.2780
This page of the Atlanta Cardiology Web Portal was Last Updated on Tuesday,
October 20, 2009.
</quote>
Andrew Ben-Hua Chung does know very well about stalking, and about how criminal
it is. And, still, Andrew Ben-Hua Chung is one of the meanest and most
disgusting stalkers in the whole Net.
The attorneys of state in Atlanta have homework to do!
8. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-----------------------------------------
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <jimmy...@operamail.com>
wrote:
<quote>
From: Jimmy Alpha <jimmy...@operamail.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Re: Being mercifully kind (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing
***************************************************************************
body (anorexia) & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...
***************************************************************************
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500
Message-ID: <hil5gd$s2u$1...@news.datemas.de>
Sightwalker pridefully said:
http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg
> Being mercifully kind
Fact #1, you are not being merciful when you call people liars without
clearly showing the lies.
> (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing body (anorexia)
Fact #2, as you have never seen my body you can only "perishing body"
perhaps as, "...appointed unto men once to die..." which would put your
body in the same class as you say you are praying for mine?
> & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...
Fact #3, you have as of yet shown a definitive lie, so the perishing
mind seems to be yours because of your delusions.
Fact #4, if you follow Christ charlie you'll never *hunger*, for it is
written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that
cometh to me shall never hunger..." Jno 6:35
Fact #5, we who have been reading your posts see you are at best using
the groups for self serving purposes, selling books and stroking your
ego, this is shown by the fact you cross post your quack science to the
religious groups, and your cult religion to the science groups.
Jimmy "telling the truth" Alpha
</quote>
9. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-----------------------------------------
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:54:33 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <jimmy...@operamail.com>
wrote:
(emphasize added by me)
<quote>
sightwalker with a phd said:
http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg
> It is when we are in accord with a message of reconciliation that we
> become healthier (hungrier) than ever.
Andrew, follow Christ and you will relieve that chronic *hunger*, if in
fact it's true and not just more touting your many capitalistic
endeavors?
It is written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of
********************************************
life: he that cometh to me shall *never* hunger..."
***************************************************
Jno 6:35
Jimmy Alpha
</quote>
Also note this:
>Le 2010-01-13 06:44, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD a �crit :
>> This gentile Christian disciple
>
>is happy to let his "lord" kill and torture these people :
>
>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=starvation&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
>
>Chung is diseased.
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p238/aslave2thegrind/famine.jpg
10. Facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
---------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:52:25 -0800 (PST), Andrew <white...@gmail.com> wrote:
<quote>
6 Hostess Bear Claws weigh 30.0534oz and adds up to 3180 calories!
http://www.grocerycouponnetwork.com/foodproducts/products.php?Id=42132
30oz of Frozen Mixed Vegetables adds up to only 537 calories.
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-vegetables-mixed-i11584
However: according to Chung's 2PD-OMER: You'll lose more weight by
eating 2lbs of Hostess Bear Claws a day, than you will be eating 4lbs
of mixed vegetables a day. Right? NO, WRONG! - FAIL.
2PD-OMER = Epic FAIL.
</quote>
11. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung preaches hate-crime
and wants people to be killed.
---------------------------------------------------------
Endlessly repeating his insane shit, Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung's real target is
people to be murdered:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:00:12 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
>of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
>
>Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
>
>Andrew <><
One more example, 18.2.2011:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,
sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily WDJW Health Tip for 02/18/11
Message-ID: <4vnsl69vtcdav5tbu...@4ax.com>
X-Complaints-To: ab...@easynews.com
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:02:48 -0500
[...]
May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
</quote>
One more example, 19.2.2011:
<quote>
Subject: Re: WDJW status for 02/18/11 ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <eeca3280-9687-4b3b...@f2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
[...]
May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
</quote>
One more example, 8.4.2011:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,
alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Being blessed right now really is wonderful (Luke 6:21) ...
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <26ee3d54-6528-4609...@r14g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2591d6198130cf33?
May GOD annihilate all who like you who would anonymously propagandize
that "hunger is starvation" with fires from Heaven right now, in the
name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
[...]
</quote>
12. The deathlist of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:
over 260 people he wants to be killed
------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:50:55 -0800, Great Sage Itchy
<GSi...@itchyandscratchy.com> wrote:
>Chung already has his place in God's heavenly palace picked out. He
>will sit in the throne to the left of God, while "The Risen" "LORD"
>Jesus Christ sits on the right (because of His "victory"?).
And Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung already made a list of "convicts" which he wants
to be killed by god:
[Sample taken on February, 20th., 2011]
http://www.heartmdphd.com/convicts/
<quote>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
Good afternoon!
The purpose of this page is to list our dear friends
****************************************************
and neighbors who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit.
*********************************************************
They are at a crossroads in their life. They are in danger of becoming demons if
they unwisely choose to blaspheme HIM. Please pray for these folks. "It is my
heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to convict and my job to
love." -- Reverend Billy Graham
Philip
Madison (convicted 11/28/06 --> stricken 1/20/07)
Mark T.
"Panama Floyd" (convicted 10/24/06 --> stricken with HIV)
Al Klein
Denis Loubet
Cary Kittrell (convicted 10/27/06 --> stricken from birth)
David H. (aka "Big Dave")
Barry O'Grady
Kumar
"Olrik"
Peter J. Ross
Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 --> deceased 04/01/07)
Donna Kupp
Kate (aka "TigerLily")
Mike Painter
"Hatchetmama"
"Nemo"
"JessHC"
Jeff Utz
"Oldus Fartus"
"K�i-L�"
"Odd Neighbor"
"Lost Soul"
Mike Gray
DKW
Frank Mayhar
Robibnikoff
"Chadwick Stone�"
"Ghod"
"Free Lunch"
"Yang"
"Provoker"
Tom "Tdub" Williams
"Em"
"Barbara's Cat"
"Raven1"
Kevin "Beav" Maxfield
"Azaliah" (aka Pastor Dave)
Don Kirkman (Convicted 12/22/06 --> Stricken with CAD in 1998)
BDK
Bill M.
Tony
Shawn Hirn
~Tanya
Ken Wood
"lestat"
JLS
"Jaguar"
"Owl"
"Flowerchild8245"
"Warren G. Harding"
Martin Phipps
Patrick Humphrey
"Scott Joyce"
"Satyr"
DaveJ
"Habshi"
"Ma�k"
"Kilmer"
"Guy"
HD Lee
Chris Johnson
"Sherahdicus"
"Bungalow Steve"
"Text Medium No. 5"
"TransWench"
Harry
Peter van Velzen
Charles Dikkens
Aunt Martha
Syd Levine
GaryG (convicted 1/15/07 --> stricken 3/15/07)
James Hajicek
"old man joe"
Vernon
"jitter"
"Kadaitcha Man"
Roy Mock (r m)
Grandpa Chuck
Pete Stapleton
"Ernst Primer"
"Russell McDade"
"Blash"
"Jude+Alexander"
Steve O (convicted 1/28/07 --> stricken in 1967)
Terry Austin
Randy (aka Pulpitfire or �andy)
Paul Duca
"BatGuy"
"SameAsB4"
Lars Eighner
"Doc Smartass"
"Zap"
James (bir...@allvantage.com)
Chris Johnson (again)
Stephen Anderson ( Zerubbabel )
"Parsifal"
"the_Host"
"platothelapdog"
M. Ranjit Mathews
Darrell Stec
Martin
"Mistylien"
Peter Aitken
"The Bookman"
"Widdershins"
Lew Bates
Frank Hildner
James R. Hunt (BlackDruid)
Sarah548
Susan
Diane Ball (The Operator)
Richard Periut
Paul L
Joseph Littleshoes
JZW
Paul D. Wright
"JoeSpareBedroom"
"New Jack Ruby"
"Barry"
George Chen
Lionel
"Gatekeeper"
"Hawki"
Hannele
BobD
"Cubit"
"Bud"
"towelie"
Johnnie McCoy
Andrew W.
"BubbaGump"
Glenn (servitum or owd)
Robert Weldon
Bill Dunkenfield
"the 14th disciple"
Gary
Robert Schuh
Chuck Stamford
Kevin
"Eskimo Joe"
"Bob Officer"
Bob Blaylock
Will, T2
Jay Levine
Kevin Bertsch
jim
Evelyn Ruut
Jeanne (Haggis)
Richard Catto
Kathy Claytor
Nico
Martha(MI)
ab...@hotmail.com
Vernono O
Michael F. Poellot
Loretta Eisenberg
George M. Carter
Shawn Hirn (again)
L.T. David
Cameron (runlikeanantelope)
Alan S.
Bill (Frisbee�)
John (Abrams1117)
Miz Daisy Cutter
Pete
Marten Kemp
Notan
Frank t2
TC
John Williamson
Joe Smith
theBeaver
Peter Larsen
Larry (ls...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
John P.
Rev. BR Collins
Geoff
Dale A. Solomonson
JHD
zxcvbob
CM
Thorsten Schier
Davybear
tatman
Ferd Farkel
Quentin Grady
Michelle Malkin
Mark Thorson
Steve Young
Cary Kittrell (again)
Helen Back
Don Kirkman (again)
Mike (em)
Julie Bove
L. Roberts
Doug Freese
Global Warming
Kathy Griffin (convicted 09/08/07 --> stricken 2003)
Kenneth Doyle
Percent(%)
Marsha
Juliet (WaCoder)
Elvira
Frank (listener)
Assime
Fester
Michael Vick
Aaron
GH
Peter Barber
Shearwater
Manatee
Susan (flav...@verizon.net)
Sami
Patsie Hatley
B'in'yamin C'r'amer
Dr. Phil
Doug
DarkSentinel
Small Giant
Kelly (Luv4Yisroel)
Fastmoggy
Rose
Chris Malcolm
Mystified One
DigitalMortal
Billy Colburn
Zob
John Williamson
Epicurus (Tervicz)
Studemania
Wendy Baker
Lurfys Maw
monkfish
weatherwax
Phobos
Fred Jones
Athena
Albert Andrascik
Lisa C (Blackrots)
Ted
Adonis
Mordecai
Douglas (Protoman)
Maggie
Stan-O
John Weatherly
Alan C.
John N.
Citizen Jimserac
Fred Thomas
Matt Parish
Pro-Humanist
Dan Listermann
Carole
Peter B.
Reverent Fear of GOD the Father.
Overturning the Conviction.
Sign Guestbook Guestbook by GuestWorld View Guestbook
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</quote>
See this details:
<quote>
The purpose of this page is to list our dear friends
and neighbors who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit.
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</quote>
So, quite obvious, Satan Ben Hua Chung considers himself to be the Holy Spirit.
What next? Does he have a gun?
13. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud; he spits on the Ten Commandments
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is nothing but an insane liar. See here:
emorycardiology.com as checked on Feb, 12th., 2011:
<quote>
Tribute to Emory Cardiology
Good evening!
This is my personal tribute to an institution at the forefront in bringing about
new developments in the prevention and treatment of cardiovascular disease. As
these pathological entities become better understood in terms of molecular and
cellular biology, diagnostic, therapeutic, and preventative cardiology
approaches will change dramatically in coming years. I anticipate that the Emory
Division of Cardiology will remain at the cutting edge by recruiting and
retaining internationally recognized experts. Of particular note is their track
record in clinical cardiology established by Drs. R. Bruce Logue and J. Willis
Hurst; in interventional cardiology established by Dr. Andreas Gruentzig and as
led by Dr. John Douglas; and in vascular biology and medicine by the research
group established by Dr. R. Wayne Alexander in 1988.
More recently, Emory investigators have completed the landmark COURAGE Trial
under the leadership of Dr. Bill Weintraub that is certain to change the face of
cardiology in America. I will remain one of their biggest fans.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
***********************
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
Author of Be Hungry (now in its second printing!)
John 15:13 <><
</quote>
No one would be such an idiot to pay Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung 1 Million
Dollars AND TO LET CHUNG STILL HAVE HIS BULLSHIT ON THAT DOMAIN.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung spits on the Ten Commandments.
14. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung tramps on dying patients and on dead patients.
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine. He tramps on dying patients and on dead
patients.
See here:
The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (Bob Pastorio)
Usernames and passwords are exclusively for folks involved in investigating Bob
Pastorio (past...@rica.net). Sign Guestbook � Guestbook by GuestWorld ...
www.heartmdphd.com/pastorio.asp - Cached
Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Pastorio died on April Fool's day as a ...
14 Apr 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio dying on April Fool's day is a sign from
GOD ... In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio: ...
heartmdphd.com/Love/TheTruth/ - Cached
The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (Libel)
30 Nov 2010 ... With malice presumably motivated by a personal hatred of the
2PD-OMER Approach published on this web site, Mr. Pastorio did willfully ...
www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp - Cached
"April 1st: National Atheist's Day." - sci.med.cardiology | Google ...
1 Apr 2007 ... dear Bob (this one) Pastorio, is taken from the world on this
day. ... Especially the family of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Bob/ - Cached
Walk Don't run - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
22 Dec 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio did not have long in retrospect: ... You
will soon know just as Pastorio now knows that indeed Jesus is GOD ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Fester/ - Cached
Please pray for the soul of dear convicted neighbor Don Kirkman ...
29 Oct 2007 ... Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob. Bob was also
pathologically untruthful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/DonKirkman/ - Cached
Ping: Dr. Daniel Palestrant, founder and CEO of Sermo. - sci.med ...
2 Dec 2007 ... reminding us of our dearly depart Bob (this one) Pastorio, who is
presently being eternally tormented in hell. ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForDon/ - Cached
Think About It - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
30 Oct 2007 ... They were cued up for our dearly departed Bob (this one)
Pastorio... http:// HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... who died inauspiciously on
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell/ - Cached
Daily Spirit-guided thought for 12/20/07. - sci.med.cardiology ...
20 Dec 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio, who was not hungry (therefore was not
being blessed by GOD) the days before his untimely demise inauspiciously on ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForFerd/ - Cached
HeartMDPhD.com - Atlanta Cardiology Information Portal
24 Oct 2006 ... Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 -->
deceased 04/01/07). Donna Kupp � Kate (aka "TigerLily") ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/ - Cached
Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Hypothesis becomes Spiritual Law ...
3 Apr 2007 ... In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/ Convicts/Bob. As for knowing who are the very elect, ...
heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/Proof/ - Cached
Proof by LORD Almighty GOD: fulfilled prophecy. - sci.med ...
22 Nov 2007 ... "Bob Pastorio, you do not have much time left" -- Andrew, in the
Holy Spirit. Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement: ...
heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy/ - Cached
2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
11 Jan 2011 ... The same way I knew that our dearly departed Bob (this one)
Pastorio > did not have much time left. Then that is EVIL of you to tell me "You
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/CrazyFour/ - Cached
Please pray for the endangered soul of dear convicted neighbor ...
21 Dec 2007 ... You remind me of our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio
because you do not have much longer either: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForRobert/ - Cached
HeartMDPhD.com - Atlanta Cardiology Information Portal
Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 --> deceased 04/01/07).
Donna Kupp � Kate (aka "TigerLily") � Mike Painter � "Hatchetmama" ...
heartmdphd.com/convicts/ - Cached
Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The truth prevails and remains ...
2 Apr 2007 ... neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts. In memory of our
dearly departed Bob( this one) Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Frank/ - Cached
The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (History Behind the 2PD ...
Bob Pastorio (was a retired chef who hated the 2PD-OMER Approach) "I think it's
perfectly well scientifically substantiated, based on a reasonable ...
www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp - Cached - Simhed
15. Dr. Hildner's letter to Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
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<quote>
Reply-To: "Peter B" <.@.>
From: "Peter B" <.@.>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Dr. Hildner's letter to Dr. AB Chung, original no comments of mine.
Chung can not delete.
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:06:17 -0700
Lines: 3
Message-ID: <4c7aafaa$3...@news.x-privat.org>
Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.
After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.
Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
more.
Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?
Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
your colleagues.
Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.
Frank Hildner MD
f...@orgren.org
</quote>
16. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung lies IN PUBLIC *IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE*
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One example:
<quote>
Subject: Re: WDJW status for 02/18/11 ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <eeca3280-9687-4b3b...@f2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
[...]
> The Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty stricken
> places in the world ...
Lie.
Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry. Moreover, the
propaganda campaign is the most intense in the United States funded by
government money with a government web site in a country where there
is an obesity epidemic instead of famine:
</quote>
17. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud: his domains are forgeries
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung claims to have sold the domain
for 1 Million Dollar. But fact is: the text is framed:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Tribute to Emory Cardiology </title>
</head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
<frame src="http://tinyurl.com/a4dwl" frameborder="0" />
************************************************************
<frame frameborder="0" noresize />
</frameset>
<!-- pageok -->
<!-- 04 -->
<!-- -->
</html>
This shortened link of above
expands to :
,which is nothing but a subdirectory on Satan Ben Hua Chung web-space.
18. How did Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung forge all his medical exams?
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A) Example 1:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Patiently praying here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:56:05 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <ce5eb41a-7a2a-47d8...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com>
[...]
Moreover, the fact that babies are born hungry with empty stomachs
**and** functioning brains is absolute scientific proof that hunger
does not destroy brain cells but rather promotes their rapid growth as
evident by what happens in utero.
</quote>
This is Great Sage Itchy's comment on this damned stupid statement:
"Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical cord
and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High School
knows. You show almost NO real medical knowledge. You have no
experience to speak of. How you were able to fool Emory U. and get
through medical school is a mystery. They must have known you were not
right in the head. I'm guessing that they were afraid to throw you out,
as they should have, because of your religious fanaticism, and possible
backlash from far-right religious elements in the community.
Every word you type in these groups is a lie. Everything about you is a
LIE. You are a disturbed creep, and a dangerous and evil person."
B) Example 2:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,misc.health.diabetes,alt.support.diabetes
Subject: Wonderfully hungrier ...
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:11:02 -0500
Message-ID: <ifnsm65p451pt4bgn...@4ax.com>
Actually, hunger for real food is simply a desire to eat real food
that is verified by the ability to eat real food and may be
accompanied by stomach sounds that allow others to verify the desire
to eat real food even **before** the eating happens.
</quote>
How on earth did Satan Ben Hua Chung pass his medical exams? It seems more and
more that he forged his exams.
How on earth can a medical chamber sit silent on their behinds in regard of such
an insane criminal like satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung as a member in their lines!?
19. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung so drunk that he even mixes up breastfeeding
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and foetus nouriture via umbilical cord
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<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.prayer
Subject: Patiently praying a 31st time here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <125225c3-26de-4955...@w7g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
> Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical cord
> and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High School
> knows.
Correct.
This does mean that their being hungry as evident by their being able
to take to the breast does not mean they are starving for they have
indeed been getting adequate nutrition parenterally via the maternal
circulation.
</quote>
How can a person so damned stupid as Satan Ben Hua Chung still be a member of
the medical chamber?
20. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung libels and defames Dr. Frank Hildner
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> tried to threaten me. He wrote:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.prayer
Subject: Patiently praying a 4th time here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Message-ID: <81199525-fa52-4fc6...@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
References: <17307-4D6...@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net>
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[...]
Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death list so they
would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to the U.S. to
be charged with libel & defamation:
</quote>
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung in public libeled and defamed Dr. Hildner.
See here: 3 of the postings I found:
A)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2cf6d53ca48f5c64?dmode=source
B)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51217
C)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee7cfaf1e5a51f6c?dmode=source
D)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51159
The details:
A)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2cf6d53ca48f5c64?dmode=source
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife,sci.med.cardiology,alt.atheism
Subject: Walking with Christ Jesus leads to a more abundant life on earth.
Date: 20 Jul 2006 20:01:06 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <1153450866.9...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
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John wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:31:52 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
> <spamsu...@google.com> wrote:
>
> >"Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> >news:zlDvg.174619$F_3....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
> >
> >> Hawkeye-X wrote:
> >>> I have spoken with his colleague, and I have discovered that Andrew B.
> >>> Chung was fired in Florida for CAUSE.
> >>>
> >>> Chungy, what do you think Dr. Hildner said about you?
> >>>
> >>> I'd love to hear it.
> >>>
> >>> DO NOT TRY TO DENY IT!
> >>>
> >>> Hawkeye-X
> >>
> >> For a doctor to speak badly about another doctor is a pretty rare thing
> >> and usually implies something beyond gross incompetence.
> >
> >In my experience, gross incompetence is enough to do it.
>
> Yes, Dr. Hildner may be grossly incompetent. After all, he struck
> first - and against a newbie. Probably felt threatened by the new
> guy's training and knowledge. Somebody more secure in their
> leadership role would probably have spent a little more time
> attempting to mentor rather than what he did. I know, I my leadership
> roles, I've had to mentor some of the new graduates for quite a while
> before being able to turn them loose to create on their own.
It was impossible for Dr. Hildner to have any leadership role when he
no longer had a physical presence at the workplace because he no longer
had an office. As I helped him carry out one the boxes of his desk
items to his car in 2001, there was a woodcarved desksign with his name
on it. One of the CFHC staff shared his story of how there was once a
snake that got into the office and the woodcarving was used to beat the
snake to death. Dr. Hildner had stopped seeing patients and performing
procedures **prior** to my starting at CFHC in 2001.
May our LORD's peace remain with you, dear brother.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
B)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51217
<quote>
04-24-2007, 03:22 AM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Guest
Re: Truth frightens the untruthful.
Mike Painter wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mike Painter wrote:
> >> Hawkeye-X wrote:
> >>> I have spoken with his colleague, and I have discovered that Andrew
> >>> B. Chung was fired in Florida for CAUSE.
> >>>
> >>> Chungy, what do you think Dr. Hildner said about you?
> >>>
> >>> I'd love to hear it.
> >>>
> >>> DO NOT TRY TO DENY IT!
> >>>
> >>> Hawkeye-X
> >>
> >> For a doctor to speak badly about another doctor is a pretty rare
> >> thing and usually implies something beyond gross incompetence.
> >
> > He is frightened. If he weren't, he would put it down in writing by
> > showing up here.
>
> I've been around the medical world for a long time and know that not having
> privileges means you are a very, very poor doctor.
Dr. Frank Hildner apparently lost his privileges at Miami hospitals
because his poor patronizing bedside manner led to many lawsuits
against him and not just because of his incompetence at identifying
non-occlusive coronary disease. Yes, he subsequently moved his
practice from Dade County to Ocala.
Still praying for him and for you, dear Mike.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
C)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee7cfaf1e5a51f6c?dmode=source
sci.med.cardiology
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: Prepare the way for the LORD...
Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:38:24 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Message-ID: <1152905904.9...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
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percy wrote:
> Hawkeye-X wrote:
>
> > On 13 Jul 2006 20:43:59 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hawkeye-X wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:49:41 -0600, John <john9212...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:40:54 -0600, Hawkeye-X
> >>>><hawkeyex-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have in my hand an official complaint form from Georgia Board of
> >>>>>Medical License.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Care to shut up now before I mail it in? You have 24 hours.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Here is a sample letter:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>08/04
> >>>>>COMPLAINT FORM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Person(s) Requesting Investigation Person To Be Investigated
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>Name Physician's Full Name (First and Last)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>Address Physician's Address
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>Phone Number Physician's Phone Number
> >>>>>
> >>>>>(Give a brief statement of the facts with dates. Use additional
> >>>>>sheets as necessary with copies of relevant documents. PLEASE SEND
> >>>>>COPIES ONLY. MATERIALS WILL NOT BE RETURNED.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>PATIENT'S FULL NAME: _______________________________________________
> >>>>>(It would be helpful if you could include the patient's date of birth
> >>>>>and Social Security number.)
> >>>>>DATE OF BIRTH ____________________ SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
> >>>>>_____________________
> >>>>
> >>>>Gee, I wonder whose name you're going to put in under "Patient's full
> >>>>name". You're not his patient, are you? You're not going to lie, are
> >>>>you? So you have to leave it blank. I wonder what bin they'll file
> >>>>it into?
> >>>>
> >>>>Blessings,
> >>>>John
> >>>
> >>>I'll say John Doe.
> >>
> >>That'll go over real well.
> >>
> >>
> >>>They're not going to bin it after I send them
> >>>copies of Chungboi's rantings. They'll be FORCED to look at it
> >>>thoroughly.
> >>
> >>You are forgetting that Georgia is in the middle of the Bible belt.
> >>The vast majority of folks around here especially the doctors are
> >>born-again Christians.
> >>
> >>Still praying for you, dear neighbor.
> >>
> >>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >>Andrew B. Chung
> >>Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> >>http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
> >
> >
> > 12 Hours now. Will you shut your fat mouth? A John Doe has probably
> > seen you and will testify against you. And it does not have to be a
> > patient, btw, it just has to be a person that has been monitoring you
> > for a couple of months, and that's me. You have ranted and spouted the
> > word of Jesus too much, and i don't give a shit if Georgia is in the
> > middle of a Satan belt, you are guilty of a conduct unbecoming your
> > profession, and I know a lot of cardiologists here in my city that
> > will agree with me.
> >
> > You have 10pm your time to either put up or shut up.
> >
> > Hawkeye-X
>
> You may want to cc a copy of your package to Dr. Hildner at the Central
> Florida Heart Institute, the place where chung was fired from (after 88
> days).
Actually, Dr. Hilder was replaced by me as he was retired back in 2001
after having to settle for several sizeable malpractice awards. He
still can use the cc to perhaps motivate him to lose some weight. He
has a lot of visceral adiposity. It is my wish that he not suffer from
further CV events.
> Just to keep him informed. I'm sure an email address for the above
> institution won't be hard to find.
His email address used to be rocket...@aol.com
Still praying for him and for you, dear Vicki.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
D)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51159
<quote>
04-24-2007, 02:13 AM #47
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Re: Prepare the way for the LORD...
Don Kirkman wrote:
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article <1153010767....@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>:
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> article <1152982278.5...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups .com>:
> >> >Hawki wrote:
> >> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1152916919.4...@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> >> how dumb do you think the readers are??
>
> >> >You are pretty clueless if you don't know what it means when a younger
> >> >doctor helps another considerably older, slower, and visually impaired
> >> >doctor clear out his office and subsequently settles into this office
> >> >space which has the name plate of the new younger doctor replacing the
> >> >one of the older doctor.
>
> >> It usually means the senior doctor is being moved to a better office,
> >> making room for the youngster who otherwise might have to operate out of
> >> a broom closet.
>
> >I helped the retired doctor move his belongings to his car.
>
> There are only two possible explanations: "the retired doctor" was not
> Dr. Hildner (who was still there after you were terminated) or you are
> lying. Which one do you choose?
The truth.
I know Dr. Hildner to be a retired physician who stopped seeing
patients back in 2001 even if he might still be receiving mail at CFHC
as one of the founding shareholders thereby justifying his still being
listed on their web site.
Still praying for you, dear Don.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
E)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/36a002ca903b999a?dmode=source
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.support.diet.low-carb,
alt.atheism,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: IM ASKING FOR DONATIONS FOR HEART SURGERY
Date: 15 Oct 2006 05:45:45 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 262
Message-ID: <1160916345....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.211.65.60
Injection-Info: m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com; posting-host=68.211.65.60;
posting-account=KINdIA0AAAA3R8f0eHZx1QCJ7ttu72uG
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> >>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> >>>>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>>>>>> Al Klein wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Revocation would be permanently recorded as such and not as
> >>>>>>>>> "null and void" in the online Florida Medical Board database:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00profiling/searchform.asp?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nor would it be marked "null and void" if they still considered
> >>>>>>>> you qualified to practice medicine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actually, it would be marked "null and void" only if the reason
> >>>>>>> is just the physician electing not to pay the licensing fees.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From the web site:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "NULL AND VOID - the licensed practitioner failed to renew their
> >>>>>>> licensure status for two renewal cycles, resulting in their
> >>>>>>> license expiring. Practitioner no longer obligated to update
> >>>>>>> his/her profile data."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... as compared to ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "REVOKED - the licensing board or department disciplined the
> >>>>>>> licensed practitioner and his/her license was removed. The
> >>>>>>> practitioner is not authorized to practice in the state of
> >>>>>>> Florida. The practitioner is not obligated to update his/her
> >>>>>>> profile data."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> )Being asked to surrender your
> >>>>>>>> license is just a polite fiction for "revoked".)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Such a license would be marked as such. See above.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unless a deal was made that you would not renew your license in
> >>>>>> exchange for not having it revoked.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is not an uncommon practice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hopefully, you realize that being untruthful here means you just
> >>>>> libeled the entire Florida Medical Board which is comprised of
> >>>>> various folks who have dedicated their lives to law enforcement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Once again, I assert that it is possible you made a deal not to
> >>>> renew your license in exchange for not having to go through the
> >>>> process that would lead to its revocation.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I said, it's a not uncommon practice, and there's nothing
> >>>> libelous about discussing it. The medical board does it, the state
> >>>> bar does it, even the FAA does it. Those three are the limit of my
> >>>> seen-it-with-my-own-two-eyes experience; but, as a matter of fact,
> >>>> I understand it is routinely done in other fields as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> The question is, is that what happened to you?
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>>
> >>> The Florida Medical Board were sympathetic because my employers
> >>> have a history with them that is consistent with what they had
> >>> angrily posted on-line via the HeartMDPhD.com web site that is now
> >>> also archived in Google:
> >>>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7bca75138f2a601?
> >>>
> >>> So, instead, I received written reminders to renew my license during
> >>> the year before it lapsed.
> >>
> >> Was your license to practice ever suspended in the State of Florida?
> >
> > Thankfully, no.
>
> Did you ever enter into any kind of agreement regarding your license or
> about your freedom to practice in the state of Florida.
Thankfully, no. Laus Deo !
Again, there was no need because the truth always prevails.
HE is invincible.
> > Nor was there ever the possibility because it remains my choice to
> > continue to side with the truth against my former employers.
> >
> > The truth always prevails. HE is invincible.
> >
> > Laus Deo !
> >
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > Amen !
> >
> > Laus Deo ! !
> >
> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >
> >> Are you currently practicing medicine?
> >
> > Thankfully, yes...
> >
> > ... without pause since being licensed to practice in Georgia in 1995.
> >
> > Specifically, I continue to serve people in my community as a
> > cardiologist.
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
>
> That's not what I asked you, Chung.
You received extra information after your question was answered.
> I asked you if you're currently practicing medicine.
And I answered your question.
> Let me be more specific. Do you have a clinical cardiology practice with
> regular hours, regular staff, regular patients?
Thankfully, yes. Laus Deo !
> Or is everything you do centered around the Wellness Foundation and that
> moronic diet of yours?
Everything I do is centered around LORD Jesus Christ.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> > Laus Deo !
> >
> > GOD is great !
> >
> > Holy is HIS name !
> >
> > Worthy to be praised !
> >
> >> Do you have admitting priviledges in any Georgia hospital?
> >
> > Thankfully, my patients have the freedom to receive in-patient care
> > from any hospital of their choosing in the Atlanta metropolitan area.
> > None have ever been denied such in-patient care when they have needed
> > it albeit the need has been rare for any one given patient per GOD's
> > infinite will. Laus Deo !
>
> No hospital privileges for you, eh, Chung?
Incorrect. Your leading question is consistent with our earlier
observation that you have been untruthful (see below) and with your
intent to deceive.
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b1957ab18d3c93f1?
> >
> >> I read your cv, and it does not appear that you have practiced
> >> medicine in a clinical setting since leaving Ocala.
> >
> > In truth, my CV does not describe Ocala.
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ac_cv1.asp
>
> I wasn't asking about Ocala, but now that you mention it...
Correct. You made the statement above that you read about my history
"since leaving Ocala" in my CV.
> I lived in DeLand until last March, Chung. I worked for an old,
> respected law practice there.
Did you leave because they found you to be untruthful as we observe you
here ?
> I know some attorneys in Ocala. In case you're wondering, just to
> satisfy my own curiosity, I do plan to ask what they know about you.
You would be wiser to ask them about what they know about Dr. Frank
Hildner because he has been in more legal trouble requiring much more
legal defense-work (reason for his moving from Miami to Ocala to
retire) than I have:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7bca75138f2a601?
Printing out Dr. Hilder's message should serve well to jog the memories
of your Ocala attorney friends because it created quite a public outcry
back in 2001 with Ocalans picketing CFHC.
> > Bottomline: You are untruthful.
> >
> > If your intent was to deceive, you are by definition a liar.
> >
> > GOD knows what is in your heart and will judge you accordingly.
> >
> > Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> I have borne no false witness. I have asked questions, and I have stated
> some facts.
>
> Where's the false witness in that?
See above.
> >>>>> May GOD keep you heart beating to give you time to understand
> >>>>> this, dear neighbor Rhonda whom I love unconditionally.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't let it concern you. My heart is beating just fine.
> >>>
> >>> That was what Steve Irwin thought up until the last moment:
> >>>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a594498b8fefec9b?
> >>
> >> Everyone dies. Some sooner, some later.
> >
> > Those who have placed their faith in LORD Jesus Christ thereby
> > receiving GOD's love into their heart possess eternal life and will
> > never taste death.
> >
> >>> Again, may GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time
> >>> to understand all of this, dear neighbor Rhona whom I love
> >>> unconditionally.
> >>
> >> As I said, my heart is fine, and when it's my time to go, I will go,
> >> regardless of your prayers or lack thereof.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to pray on your behalf.
>
> And it remains mine to laugh at you.
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> Here's a newsflash, Chung: I had you in my killfile, and you continued
> to morph.
My handle has not changed.
> Bad idea.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Rhonda whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
</quote>
21. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung fakes a medical study
New facts ahout the damages he caused to patients
----------------------------------------------------
In his (now) latest idiocy Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung claims having done a study
with - oh, read it word for word:
<quote>
a clinical study held out of Emory University that
***************************************************
enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide.
***************************************************
</quote>
How big an idiot can someone be to make that claim, which is so stupid that
everyone can realize the idiocy immediately?
Here are the 2 passages of the posting:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,
sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: *Praying here for Ace's deluded reprobate mind ...
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <dfebd267-5ec9-4d88...@x10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
[...]
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> For which there is no clinical study.
Actually, there has been a clinical study held out of Emory University
that enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. It remains
this physician's choice to not publish it since it pales in comparison
to the comparably sized but much longer duration 40 year clinical
study by the Great Physician, Who is this physician's Boss, Who
published this in the Bible with the miraculous results of 100%
efficacy (Deuteronomy 8:4). This choice to not publish results that do
not add to what is reported in the Bible would be this lead
investigator's right. Truth is simply reality.
[...]
> > The smartest way to do this is http://WDJW.net/NotDiet (i.e.
> > restricting food choices) but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of real food.
>
> Which is apparently not endorsed by any other physician ...
Lie.
This physician's LORD, Who is the Great Physician, is another
physician and the concept of one right daily amount (omer) for
everyone is by His design as revealed by what is written at Exodus
16:16. Laus Deo for His allowing this physician working in
collaboration with his physician colleagues at Emory University
( http://EmoryIMVC.org ) to discover in 1997 that an omer of real food
*********************************************
weighs 32 oz. All bona-fide physicians who know about the 32 oz of the
*************
http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach have given their tacit approval
about it as evident by none either writing or speaking about an
alternative right daily amount of real food.
</quote>
The part which I underligned means that already in 1997 Satan Andrew Ben Hua
Chung was in religious delirium. That is extremely important because it shows
the incidents, which happened 2001 at the "Central Florida Heart Center"
Central Florida Heart Center
3310 Sw 34th Street
Ocala, FL 34474
(that is FOUR YEARS LATER after 1977), in a new light. It shows that what Satan
Andrew Ben Hua Chung committed at the clinic ALREADY was driven by insanity. So,
the damage, which Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung did to the patients there, was not
caused by some medical misinterpretation, but instead by an extremely strong
WILL to do things accordings to his idiotic religious bullshit.
I strongly advise all patients of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
************************************************************
to sue him to death.
********************
23. The case of "Cygnus Consultants", a camouflage of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is one piece more about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:
http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/
<quote>
Cygnus Portfolio
* The Bandy Family
* CARDIOware '97
* C.T.'s 95th Birthday
* Emory Cardiology
* For Birds Only
* Go Red Health Fairs
* Island Paradise
* South Cobb Lions Club
* The Wellness Foundation, Inc.
* Wild at Heart Men's Ministry
Cygnus is a registered First Virtual merchant.
Write Us!
sup...@cygnusconsultants.com
Copyright � 1996-2010
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
</quote>
http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/
is a redirector to
http://www.heartmdphd.com/cygnusmed/
So it is no wonder that the domain is hidden:
<quote>
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Domain Name: CYGNUSCONSULTANTS.COM
Domain servers in listed order:
NS13.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS14.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
</quote>
Back in 2005 a Usenet posting (Don Kirkman - 13 Jun 2005 19:56 GMT) reveiled:
<quote>
>http://www.TheHealthFair.com
Registrant:
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
*************************************
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: THEHEALTHFAIR.COM
Created on: 26-Apr-05
Expires on: 26-Apr-06
Last Updated on: 26-Apr-05
Administrative Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
(404) 699-2780 Fax -- (404) 699-2145
Technical Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
(404) 699-2780 Fax -- (404) 699-2145
The Wellness Foundation:
Registrant:
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: THEWELLNESSFOUNDATION.COM
Created on: 21-Nov-03
Expires on: 21-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 23-Aug-04
Administrative Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
4046992780 Fax -- 4046992145
Technical Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
4046992780 Fax -- 4046992145
Truth sometimes IS simple.
</quote>
"Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.", as it still is.
http://www.heartmdphd.com/cygnusmed/
<quote>
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
Workshops for a Better Work Environment
(404) 699-8695
email: sup...@cygnusconsultants.com
General Information
Cygnus is a privately-held corporation that provides consultation services in
the interest of helping others.
Menu of Consultation Services
* Better Health Workshops - We teach your employees how to become healthier
so that they become more productive with less illness and disability. Fees for
this on-site workshop start at $300.
* Pan-Flu Preparedness Workshops - We prepare your employees for what
experts believe to be an inevitable catastrophic event that could otherwise
destroy your business if your employees are not prepared. Fees for this on-site
workshop start at $300.
* Cygnus Portfolio - some of our work where we have helped others set up
their web pages.
* Select - some links.
Write Us!
Copyright � 1996-2010
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
</quote>
So Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is offering "better health workshops", but how!?
Someone, like Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung, who FOR YEARS now gives false medical
advice, is totally incapable of giving REAL medical advice. He is a danger to
the public.
The following, I guess, are supporters for him, and are guilty for his occuring
in public:
http://www.seravia.com/corporation/georgia/tesseract-communications-inc-1lalwwrvgr
<quote>
TESSERACT COMMUNICATIONS, INC.Company Record
TESSERACT COMMUNICATIONS, INC.
Georgia Company Filing #0456078
Basic Data
Entity Type Profit Corporation
Formation Date Sep 15, 2004
Status Active/compliance
Entity Number 0456078
Home Jurisdiction Georgia
Principal Address 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
Registered Agents
E-LEE CHANG 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
People
Name Position Address
E-LEE CHANG Secretary 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
E-LEE CHANG CFO 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
E-LEE CHANG CEO 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
Global Company Records
</quote>
24. Satan Ben Hua Chung is an aggressive stalker and criminal
-------------------------------------------------------------
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Optimizing systolic bp in diabetics
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <2bbdcdc7-313f-4864...@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.166.29.78;
Susan wrote:
>
> This is more in line with the finding of no benefit of treatment to
> below 140/90...
>
> http://www.theheart.org/article/1234025.do?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=20110602_EN_Heartwire
>
> "Their meta-analysis supports the conclusions of the Action to Control
> Cardiovascular Risk in Diabetes (ACCORD) blood-pressure trial published
> last year [2], which compared systolic BP of <140 mm Hg vs <120 mm Hg
> and found no benefits from the aggressive target other than reduced
> stroke risk, Bangalore added. "I don't think we should be very
> aggressive in trying to get these patients as low as possible," he said."
Instead, we should be very aggressive at getting these patients to
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to the right daily amount
(32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating that caused their
type-2 diabetes in the first place.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
</quote>
25. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung thrown out of First Baptist Church of Woodstock
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung uploads videos to YouTube.com. One of them was
harvested as a piece of evidence and stored in the files archive of
http://www.transgallaxys.com
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
This is the transcript of what the man on the phone says to Satan Andrew Ben Hua
Chung:
<quote>
Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I'm the director of security at First
Baptist Church Woodstock. Andrew, I need to inform you that you're not allowed
to come back to our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That's the decision we're making today. And you
need to know if you do come back, we'll remove you from the property and beyond
that, if you come back, I will call the police. Andrew, lets allow this to end
peacefully. Allow it to end right now. Thank you and have a good day.
</quote>
26. Studies about hunger and brain shrinkage
--------------------------------------------
Hunger kills braincells!
*************************
Scientific studies about hunger and braincells show that. They were made in
Germany in about 2001/2002/2003. They are FACTS. And there are studies in the
USA. THEY ARE FACTS.
There are studies about hunger and brain shrinkage. Like this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9754441
<quote>
Psychiatry Res. 1998 Jun 30;82(3):171-9.
Proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy in acute, juvenile anorexia nervosa.
Schlemmer HP, M�ckel R, Marcus A, Hentschel F, G�pel C, Becker G, K�pke J,
G�ckel F, Schmidt MH, Georgi M.
Institute for Clinical Radiology Mannheim, Faculty of Medicine, University of
Heidelberg, Germany. h.sch...@dkfz-heidelberg.de
Abstract
Anorexia nervosa is usually associated with a shrinkage of the brain that is at
least partially reversible with weight gain. The pathogenesis of this brain
abnormality is unclear. The purpose of this study was to investigate potential
alterations in localized proton magnetic resonance (1H MR) spectra of anorectic
patients immediately after an interval of excessive weight loss. Twelve patients
and seventeen control subjects were examined. Water suppressed 1H MR spectra
were recorded from two voxels placed in the thalamus and in the
parieto-occipital white matter. The spectra of ten patients could be evaluated.
Comparing patients and control subjects, significantly higher signal intensity
ratios of choline containing compounds (Cho) relative to total creatine (Cr) as
well as significantly lower ratios of N-acetyl-aspartate (NAA) relative to Cho
were found in the white matter region. We hypothesize that these results
indicate an abnormal starvation, associated membrane turnover, which
predominantly takes place in the white matter. No evidence for neuronal
degeneration was found in the thalamus or in the white matter region.
PMID: 9754441 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
</quote>
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/eat.20840/abstract
<quote>
Brain tissue volume changes following weight gain in adults with anorexia
nervosa
Christina A. Roberto MS1,2,*, Laurel E. S. Mayer MD3, Adam M. Brickman PhD4,
Anna Barnes PhD5, Jordan Muraskin BA4, Lok-Kin Yeung BA4, Jason Steffener PhD4,
Melissa Sy BA, Joy Hirsch PhD, Yaakov Stern PhD4, B. Timothy Walsh MD3
Article first published online: 19 MAY 2010
DOI: 10.1002/eat.20840
Abstract
Objective:
To measure brain volume deficits among underweight patients with anorexia
nervosa (AN) compared to control participants and evaluate the reversibility of
these deficits with short-term weight restoration.
Method:
Brain volume changes in gray matter (GM), white matter (WM), and cerebrospinal
fluid (CSF) were examined in 32 adult women with AN and compared to 21, age and
body mass index-range matched control women.
Results:
Patients with AN had a significant increase in GM (p = .006, ?2 = 0.14)
and WM volume (p = .001, ?2 = 0.19) following weight restoration.
Patients on average had lower levels of GM at low weight (647.63 � 62.07 ml)
compared to controls (679.93 � 53.31 ml), which increased with weight
restoration (662.64 � 69.71 ml), but did not fully normalize.
****************************
Discussion:
This study suggests that underweight adult patients with AN have reduced GM and
WM volumes that increase with short-term weight restoration. � 2010 by Wiley
Periodicals, Inc. Int J Eat Disord 2010;
</quote>
Facit: Hunger leads to a irreversible damage to the brain.
##########################################################
27. DO NOT FORGET: FIGHT HUNGER!
--------------------------------
CHRISTIAN RELIEF FUND:
http://www.compassionlink.org/html/food_relief.html#CRF
STOP HUNGER NOW:
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer?pagename=who_we_are
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer
HUNGER IS UNACCEPTABLE:
http://www.austinfoodbank.org/hunger-is-unacceptable/
http://peacenowar.net/newpeace/images/stories/hunger-sm.jpg
30 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR DIE OF HUNGER:
http://www.austinfoodbank.org
--
http://www.kidmed.org http://www.impfkritiker.de http://www.pharmamafia.com
http://www.kindersprechstunde.at http://www.medulla.at http://www.medizin.se
Darth Noodles
Netkook Andy whined:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/b5e514e014309d2c?hl=en
> "Name-calling is lying for everyone except GOD for you are a
> sockpuppet because He calls you one." -- Holy Spirit referring to the
> LORD calling Pharisees vipers.
Translation: Andy can do whatever he whines about others doing, because like
a Pharisee, he's a self-righteous hypocrite.
But mainly he's an idiotic netkook troll attention whore, who gets way more
attention than he deserves.
Netkook Andy wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/e92bd72d797ae961?hl=en
> Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit can tell.
Of course The Netkook is the only person on Earth who "discerns" his
own self-contrived kooky nonsense.
In his warped mind, everyone else who knows he's crazy is "delusional" and
a "prodigal" ahha.
Netkook Andy shrieked:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aae4d43726695f5d?hl=en
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from Heaven right now,
> in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Ha ha, I'll bet you've gotten a lot of mileage out of that one, you netkook
troll attention whore.
The psycho religious mad scientist act is a good gimmick, but I see right
through it, you bush-league phony.
Netkook Andy playing an evil stalker wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/78cb7af6d9932773?hl=en
> Jayne, your IP address has always matched up.
>
> You have been outed. Game over.
Andy, you're such a pathetic little creep ha ha ha.
Netkook Andy's bad advice:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/835936305153acb8?hl=en
> someone wrote:
>> And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
>> on and make it worse.
> No.
Yes. Eating 32oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will give a person
heart disease.
Netkook Andy's claims of being a Christian were proven a lie
when the all of the real Christains of First Baptist Church Woodstock
kicked him out and threated to have him arrested if he returned.
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU
Netkook Andy trashes the berieved then shifts gears:
> I've been sad since mom's death
> I haven't been able to sleep
> and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
when she died of type-2 diabetes out of willful disobedience.
> I've been sad since mom's death
You have my condolences during this your sad time.
Netkook Andy's internet accounts are always being terminated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObhS3Z9YAQ&NR
Summery regarding netkook Andy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/236cd2476186957c?hl=en
> Don't be a worm; be a man Chung. No one
> is interested and all have blocked or mocked you.
Andrew Chung: Those who don't block him, mock him :-)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Aribert's perishing soul simply
because we truly love him as our LORD commands (Jn15:12) with all
glory to GOD the Father.
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) asked in response to ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b64306a3a2deab71?
> Oh, bad memory?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0ee330066e18ab4b?
Bad memory is what happens to folks like you who have been anorexic
(See below earlier).
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) shrilly exclaimed earlier in
part:
> Hunger kills braincells!
Incorrect.
Instead, it is anorexia (no hunger) that is associated with shrinkage
of the brain possibly from dying neurons (brain cells).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cfe5277eda75fcd4?
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) wrote earlier:
> Do you have good ears? Then listen:
Smarter to also watch:
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU
> Transcripsion is somewhat like
>
> <quote>
> Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of the security of
> First Baptist Church of Woodstock.
> Andrew, I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to our
> campus.
> I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't want you to come back, okay?
> That for what (?) you were making today you need to know, that if you do come
> back, you will be removed from the pogrin (?)
> Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police.
> Andrew, allow us to end peacefully,
> Allow being right meal. (???)
> Thank you.
> Happy day.
> </quote>
Your errors in transcription is consistent with your being guided by
the spirit of error (self) instead of the Spirit of Truth, Who is GOD.
Yes, there are folks at FBCW who need to be born again (John 3:3 & 5)
as evident by their not being able to say "Jesus is LORD" with their
mouth (Romans 10:9) though they wanted to in order to complain to the
police from the outset that this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) was saying "Jesus is LORD" as a greeting and asking if they would
return with the same.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/209eead1460b9c27?
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) earlier wrote:
In reference to this physician's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prayer
list:
http://tinyurl.com/4pcwg3x
>
> ... wants the death of more than 260 persons who he has in his
> online deathlist.
>
> Can the police of Atlanta prevent him running amok?
Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death (curse) list...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f9d0348afabb61?
...so they would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to
the U.S. to be charged with libel & defamation:
http://tinyurl.com/libel-defamation
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bda9bd5e0d4f589d?
Additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a332f19d1380d4c7?
Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) earlier wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?
**emphasis** added
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?
> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!
See **emphasis** above.
Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?
Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?
Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/
"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Hector de Silva
to get a reaction from them, which he savors, because he has nothing
else in life. Rejected by his wife, he hates women. Rejected by the
medical community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them. Rejected
by the Christian community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them.
Rejected by several newsgroups, he seeks to disrupt them.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > someone wrote:
>
> > > > > Weight loss doesn't mean a thing.
>
> > > Indeed, VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) loss is more important.
>
> > > > > David Letterman was extremely lean and
> > > > > had been running 5 miles a day for years, when he had to undergo a
> > > > > quadruple bypass.
>
> > > The absolutely only healthy way to lose VAT is not exercise andhttp://WDJW.net/NotDietbutrather tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthebody
> > > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping
> > > the overeating.
>
> > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> > Best greetings.
>
> > Reducing food Vs. Diabetes control
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13887909
>
> > Can't say, if persisting hyperglycemia may serve as an alternative to
> > energy stores, if breakdown of reguar stores(glycogen,fats..) are
> > resisted due to near constant insulin's indicative actions?
>
> No, hyperglycemia is not an alternative to energy stores.
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
increased need?
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
> and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> increased need?
No!
You must follow the 2PD-OMER Approach http://WDJW.net/NotDiet or you
will be punished for the sin of gluttony with type-2 diabetes.
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/14401...
Kumar
wrote:
> On Jul 4, 2:59 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > increased need?
>
> No!
> You must follow the 2PD-OMER Approachhttp://WDJW.net/NotDietor you
> will be punished for the sin of gluttony with type-2 diabetes.
>
> Bottom line concerning you:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
>
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
> from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth -->http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
> and Author of "Trust the Truth -
> Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/14401...
>
>
> What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> A cursed sockpuppet shrieked:
> > Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > increased need?
> >
> > No!
>
> Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
header information.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
Uncommon Valor
those who flame and reticule her.
Uncommon Valor
>>> No!
>>
>> Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
>
> It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
Welcome folks to another day of Andy's x-posted spam and trolling and
those who flame and reticule her.
And Andy starts off her day with yet another foray into "it wasn't me"
schizophrenia.
Step up and take a whack at Andy the pinata. Next!
Uncommon Valor
> The wages of bearing false witness is death
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
> from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Oh lookie, more death wishing from the psycotic who says she doesn't
keep death wish lists.
Butters
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <dec...@lovetruth.net> wrote in message
news:ius3ls$opm$2...@dont-email.me...
> On Jul 4, 2:59 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > increased need?
>
>
> No!
Yes!
Darth Noodles
Netkook Andy:
> Bottom line concerning you:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
> The wages of bearing false witness is death.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy whined:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/b5e514e014309d2c?hl=en
> "Name-calling is lying for everyone except GOD for you are a
> sockpuppet because He calls you one."
Translation: Andy can do whatever he whines about others doing, because he's
a self-righteous hypocrite.
But mainly he's an idiotic netkook troll attention whore, who gets way more
attention than he deserves.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy the schizophrenic:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f42b15824bf04bbd?
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporal demon) hissed:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b5af6ae28631bd7f?hl=en
Andrew, your schizophrenia is showing.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy, constantly having to tell everyone he's not insane:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/53cd7015e8f71b0c?hl=en
> This physician does not suffer from schizophrenia as evident by his active
> medical license.
It is evident in the fact that said physician has no hospital privileges
whatsoever. A full time drunk can hang onto an automobile license, as
long as he never drives...
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you with fires from Heaven
> right now, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
The insanity is also evident in posts like that. Especially since
everyone, except Chung, knows it to be an insane remark.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy wishes everyone in his cross-posts would die:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/ef7473d3464c334a?hl=en
> The wages of bearing false witness is death ...
>
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
> from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth -->
Oh goody, more death threats from the netkook who says he doesn't keep a
death list.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/e92bd72d797ae961?hl=en
> Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit can tell.
Of course The Netkook is the only person on Earth who "discerns" his
own self-contrived kooky nonsense.
In his warped mind, everyone else who knows he's crazy is "delusional" and
a "prodigal" ahha.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy shrieked:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aae4d43726695f5d?hl=en
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from Heaven right now,
> in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Ha ha, I'll bet you've gotten a lot of mileage out of that one, you netkook
troll attention whore.
The psycho religious mad scientist act is a good gimmick, but I see right
through it, you bush-league phony.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's God complex:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3c510c29f56411dd?hl=en
I'm telling you from experience, that the nutcase Andrew Chung (who believes
that God, as the "Holy Spirit" speaks to him daily or near daily and passes
these "messages" onto people on the net) WILL NOT retreat from anything. He
never admits to anything wrong even though it is so clear he is not "okay"
believing his own brain is God and whatever comes out, be it blessing or
curses is from "God." You can't reach people like Chung with rational
thinking, with obvious wrongdoing according to his beliefs, nothing, no
way, no how, no when, no why, no where... nothing.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy playing an evil stalker wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/78cb7af6d9932773?hl=en
> Jayne, your IP address has always matched up.
> You have been outed. Game over.
Andy, you're such a pathetic little creep ha ha ha.
On Jul 3, 7:43 pm, "Andrew B. Chung trolled:
> Being neither K.W. nor Chunkers, this physician
Ah ha ha! Your trolling is so lame. As you haven't already "accidentally"
posted as "Chunkers" several times.
Evidence:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f1838d4513...
Grow up, Andy.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's bad advice:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/835936305153acb8?hl=en
> someone wrote:
>> And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
>> on and make it worse.
> No.
Yes. Eating 32oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will give a person
heart disease.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's claims of being a Christian were proven a lie
when the all of the real Christians of First Baptist Church Woodstock
kicked him out and threatened to have him arrested if he returned.
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy trashes the bereaved and then shifts gears:
> >I've been sad since mom's death
> > I haven't been able to sleep
> > and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
>
> Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
> when she died of type-2 diabetes out of willful disobedience.
*Later*
> > I've been sad since mom's death
>
> You have my condolences during this your sad time.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's internet accounts are always being terminated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObhS3Z9YAQ&NR
--------------------------------
Summery regarding netkook Andy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/236cd2476186957c?hl=en
> Don't be a worm; be a man Chung. No one
> is interested and all have blocked or mocked you.
**Andrew Chung: Those who don't block him, mock him :-)**
Wrong guesses by netkook Andy so far:
tom chatterton
st.jackanapes
happy oyster
aribert deckers
ace
Bottom line regarding netkook Andy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f42b15824bf04bbd?
Kumar
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <deci...@lovetruth.net> wrote in messagenews:ius3ls$opm$2...@dont-email.me...
>
> > On Jul 4, 2:59 am, Kumar <lordshiva5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > increased need?
>
> > No!
>
> Yes!
Tell me more pls.
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > A cursed sockpuppet shrieked:
> > > Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > increased need?
>
> > > No!
>
> > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
>
> It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
>
> You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> header information.
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
Thanks. Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
complexicity & imbalance.
How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
resistance? One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> Definitely made me think about a few
> things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
>
> Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
> heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
>
> Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
> discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
>
> Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
> Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
>
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
>
> I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
> more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
> than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
>
> Source:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
>
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
Jayne Cobb
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chung, you stole someone else's posting heading.
> You are thief of headings and a huge waste of time.
>
> Turn around Chung and do right not wrong then
> you can profess repentance.
>
> Up date your photo Chung as it is old.
> I'll bet you are over-weight due to eating
> your 'right amount' of noodles and ice milk.
Only people who have something to hide, post really old photos of
themselves.
And even in those photos, Chung is always dressed in concealing lab
coats or oversized baggy scrubs.
Chung obviously feels the need to hide his true physique.
When you watch videos of a fitness instructors, they're always dressed
in tight fitting revealing tucked-in athletic shits, showing off their
true physique, to prove their methods really work - that they practice
what they preach.
Why does Chung only post old pictures of himself?
Why is Chung in those old photos and vids always concealing his physique
by wearing baggy scrubs and oversized lab coats?
What is it that Chung is trying to hide?
If Chung has no belly VAT, he'd post a video of himself measuring his
belly girth with a measuring tape.
Funny how Chung will demand that others make videos of proof about
themselves... but he will evade this challenge. Chung will evade it
because he has a great big pot belly to hide.
Chung will evade it, because he's a proven liar and phony.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > A cursed sockpuppet shrieked:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> >
> > > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > > increased need?
> >
> > > > No!
> >
> > > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
> >
> > It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> > Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
> >
> > You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> > header information.
>
Laus Deo
> Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
> complexicity & imbalance.
Lies are from the deceived who unwittingly go on to deceive others who
do not know to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the heart
(Jeremiahs 17:9).
> How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
> elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
> resistance?
Via multiple intracellular MAP (Mitogen Activated Protein) kinase
pathways.
>One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
cytokines.
The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
stopping the overeating.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
quite a few years now, and over time (the last 5 years or so) my
posts have degenerated from once being helpful and
knowledgeable to now being consumed with religion and what seems a
paranoid belief in my 2lb diet.
Very sad to a see me, a once clever man go down the gurgler like
this,
but that is unfortunately the nature of my disease -
schizophrenia and an obsessive compulsive disorder.
I'm Bat Shit KrAZy and I approve this message
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Quack
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > A cursed sockpuppet shrieked:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > > > increased need?
>
> > > > > No!
>
> > > > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
>
> > > It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> > > Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
>
> > > You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> > > header information.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> Laus Deo
>
> > Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
> > complexicity & imbalance.
>
> Lies are from the deceived who unwittingly go on to deceive others who
> (Jeremiahs 17:9).
>
> > How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
> > elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
> > resistance?
>
> Via multiple intracellular MAP (Mitogen Activated Protein) kinase
> pathways.
Is it true that adipose tissue promoted inflammatory cytokines is main
reason to getting insulin resistance?
If yes, how SAT & VAT are responsible to such cytokines?
Can Insulin resistance also be caused directly from excessive & near
constant exposure of insulin(endo/exo genous) to target cells by
downregulation of insulin's receptor mechanism?
> >One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
>
> Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
> cytokines.
Is VAT only source to such cytokines or excess SAT also?
>
> The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> stopping the overeating.
Yes. It is also somewhat endorssed by recent article at BBC.
> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Yes.
> If yes, how SAT & VAT are responsible to such cytokines?
VAT is the source of such cytokines.
> Can Insulin resistance also be caused directly from excessive & near
> constant exposure of insulin(endo/exo genous) to target cells by
> downregulation of insulin's receptor mechanism?
No.
> > >One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
> >
> > Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
> > cytokines.
>
> Is VAT only source to such cytokines or excess SAT also?
VAT only.
> >
> > The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > stopping the overeating.
>
> Yes. It is also somewhat endorssed by recent article at BBC.
It is absolutely for a fact true.
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
Jayne Cobb
> Looking like a man and talking like a man on YouTube (especially in
> the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Holy Spirit, saying "Jesus is LORD"
> with your mouth) would be evidence that you are a man, while excuses
> instead of evidence would continue to serve to convince all reading
> this that you are not a man.
Counter challenge: that Andy post a YouTube video of
himself wearing revealing clothing instead of the usual baggy scrubs
and oversized lab coats, to prove he's not hiding a pot belly full of fat.
Until then, it's a Mexican standoff.
Jayne Cobb, Tulare.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Jayne Cobb simply because we
really love her as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to
GOD the Father.
Jayne Cobb (aka Wherez da evidence, Seeker, and Dr. House) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7d4c7a6c75a6f6?
> >
> > (nudity neither necessary nor permitted)
>
> Then how can I prove it to you? Think it through.
Looking like a man and talking like a man on YouTube (especially in
the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Holy Spirit, saying "Jesus is LORD"
with your mouth) would be evidence that you are a man, while excuses
instead of evidence would continue to serve to convince all reading
this that you are not a man.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/76dc340ee8df4462?
Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunkers, this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) patiently (Ephesians 4:2) awaits the video evidence on YouTube
(nudity neither necessary nor permitted) that you are male and that
you can say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans 10:9) as you have
claimed.
Please kindly (Ephesians 4:32) let all know "wherez da evidence" when
you have done this, otherwise all reading this should remain convinced
that you have been lying as you have been lying about this physician
asking you to call him to say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans
10:9).
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/138c28b798808d96?
Here's a YouTube video example of this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) doing what has been requested of you thereby annihilating all the
lying sockpuppets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8B_70Jp-kc
May GOD soften your heart, Jayne, so that you would stop lying as you
come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/
Hector de Silva
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" lied:
> Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunkers, this physician...
is a liar.
Proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f1838d4513...
"Jan Drew" is yet another one of Andrew Chung's puppets.
Proof:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7030711ee20429e...
And again:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9d7a224b9cb6b8e0
Grow up, little Andy.
Kumar
Sorry but, I didn't felt it. Probably, a spritual person get better
logical understandings or sprituality stimulate natural/logical hidden
knowledge(somewhat in omniscience & ommipresence sense) which remain
dormant in non-spritual people.
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > :
>
> > > > > > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > > > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > > > > > increased need?
>
> > > > > > > No!
>
> > > > > > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
>
> > > > > It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> > > > > Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
>
> > > > > You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> > > > > header information.
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
> > > > complexicity & imbalance.
>
> > > Lies are from the deceived who unwittingly go on to deceive others who
> > > (Jeremiahs 17:9).
>
> > > > How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
> > > > elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
> > > > resistance?
>
> > > Via multiple intracellular MAP (Mitogen Activated Protein) kinase
> > > pathways.
>
> > Is it true that adipose tissue promoted inflammatory cytokines is main
> > reason to getting insulin resistance?
>
> Yes.
>
> > If yes, how SAT & VAT are responsible to such cytokines?
>
> VAT is the source of such cytokines.
>
> > Can Insulin resistance also be caused directly from excessive & near
> > constant exposure of insulin(endo/exo genous) to target cells by
> > downregulation of insulin's receptor mechanism?
>
> No.
>
> > > >One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
>
> > > Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
> > > cytokines.
>
> > Is VAT only source to such cytokines or excess SAT also?
>
> VAT only.
>
>
>
> > > the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > stopping the overeating.
>
> > Yes. It is also somewhat endorssed by recent article at BBC.
>
> It is absolutely for a fact true.
>
> > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
Whether VAT signal to body that energy saturation is achieved ande no
more energy store is needed, so down regulation of insulin receptors
is triggered to check further uptakes?
Is there any survival benefit of VAT? Can they serve as energy store
for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
SAT)?
Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
test or also be ESR test?
Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
check its pro-infalmatory effects? Pioz??
Regards.
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > A cursed sockpuppet shrieked:
> > > > > > > Kumar wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > > > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > > > > > increased need?
>
> > > > > > > No!
>
> > > > > > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
>
> > > > > It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> > > > > Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
>
> > > > > You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> > > > > header information.
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
> > > > complexicity & imbalance.
>
> > > Lies are from the deceived who unwittingly go on to deceive others who
> > > (Jeremiahs 17:9).
>
> > > > How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
> > > > elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
> > > > resistance?
>
> > > Via multiple intracellular MAP (Mitogen Activated Protein) kinase
> > > pathways.
>
> > Is it true that adipose tissue promoted inflammatory cytokines is main
> > reason to getting insulin resistance?
>
> Yes.
>
> > If yes, how SAT & VAT are responsible to such cytokines?
>
> VAT is the source of such cytokines.
Do VAT signal body that energy store saturation is achieved and no
more stores are required so get insulin resistance?
> > Can Insulin resistance also be caused directly from excessive & near
> > constant exposure of insulin(endo/exo genous) to target cells by
> > downregulation of insulin's receptor mechanism?
>
> No.
>
> > > >One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
>
> > > Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
> > > cytokines.
Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by ESR
or/and CRP test?
How diabetics with VAT and without VAT are different? Can we say, VAT
related diabetics are lesser frank diabetics but without VAT are frank
diabetics?
> > Is VAT only source to such cytokines or excess SAT also?
>
> VAT only.
Why is the purpose of these cytokines? Are these meant to reduce VAT?
>
>
> > > The absolutely only healthy way to lose the VAT is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > stopping the overeating.
>
> > Yes. It is also somewhat endorssed by recent article at BBC.
>
> It is absolutely for a fact true.
>
> > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Kumar
> Netkook Andy whined:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/b5e514...
>
> > "Name-calling is lying for everyone except GOD for you are a
> > LORD calling Pharisees vipers.
>
> Translation: Andy can do whatever he whines about others doing, because like
> a Pharisee, he's a self-righteous hypocrite.
> But mainly he's an idiotic netkook troll attention whore, who gets way more
> attention than he deserves.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/e92bd7...
>
> > Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit can tell.
>
> Of course The Netkook is the only person on Earth who "discerns" his
> own self-contrived kooky nonsense.
> In his warped mind, everyone else who knows he's crazy is "delusional" and
> a "prodigal" ahha.
>
>
> > May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from Heaven right now,
> > in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
>
> Ha ha, I'll bet you've gotten a lot of mileage out of that one, you netkook
> troll attention whore.
> The psycho religious mad scientist act is a good gimmick, but I see right
> through it, you bush-league phony.
>
>
> > You have been outed. Game over.
>
> Andy, you're such a pathetic little creep ha ha ha.
>
>
> > someone wrote:
> >> And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
> >> on and make it worse.
> > No.
>
> Yes. Eating 32oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will give a person
> heart disease.
>
> kicked him out and threated to have him arrested if he returned.http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU
>
> Netkook Andy trashes the berieved then shifts gears:
>
> > I've been sad since mom's death
> > I haven't been able to sleep
> > and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
>
> Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
> when she died of type-2 diabetes out of willful disobedience.
>
>
> You have my condolences during this your sad time.
>
>
>
> > Don't be a worm; be a man Chung. No one
> > is interested and all have blocked or mocked you.
>
How Andrew Chung is odd?
There can be many variations in diabetes. Grossly, Type 1 &
type2..insulin dependent, IDDM & NIDDM. May his suggestions take care
more for NIDDM and who are insulin resistant with VAT(insulin's
insenstiveness). I don't feel, type1 can be treated without exogenous
insulin, even if food intake is reduced.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > > > > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > > > > > > increased need?
> >
> > > > > > > > No!
> >
> > > > > > > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
> >
> > > > > > It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> > > > > > Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
> >
> > > > > > You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> > > > > > header information.
> >
> > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > > > Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
> > > > > complexicity & imbalance.
> >
> > > > Lies are from the deceived who unwittingly go on to deceive others who
> > > > (Jeremiahs 17:9).
> >
> > > > > How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
> > > > > elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
> > > > > resistance?
> >
> > > > Via multiple intracellular MAP (Mitogen Activated Protein) kinase
> > > > pathways.
> >
> > > Is it true that adipose tissue promoted inflammatory cytokines is main
> > > reason to getting insulin resistance?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > If yes, how SAT & VAT are responsible to such cytokines?
> >
> > VAT is the source of such cytokines.
> >
> > > Can Insulin resistance also be caused directly from excessive & near
> > > constant exposure of insulin(endo/exo genous) to target cells by
> > > downregulation of insulin's receptor mechanism?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > > >One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
> >
> > > > Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
> > > > cytokines.
> >
> > > Is VAT only source to such cytokines or excess SAT also?
> >
> > VAT only.
> >
> > > > the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > > stopping the overeating.
> >
> > > Yes. It is also somewhat endorssed by recent article at BBC.
> >
> > It is absolutely for a fact true.
> >
> > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
> >
>
> more energy store is needed, so down regulation of insulin receptors
> is triggered to check further uptakes?
The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
(less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
> Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
No.
> Can they serve as energy store
> for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
> SAT)?
No.
> Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> test or also be ESR test?
CRP test and not ESR test.
> Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> check its pro-infalmatory effects?
The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
(Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
undereating.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
KW Chunked
continuing with her desperate failed attempt to coerce and manipulate:
>> Then how can I prove it to you? Think it through.
> Looking like a man
You first, you androgynous shemale.
And it's obvious that since a heretic blasphemer like you can parrot "Jesus
is Lord", it doesn't mean anything.
Lonely sacked expelled outcast nobody Andy, trying and badly failing to
wield a little power by way of manipulation and extortion.
How very sad for the little girlyboy.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy:
> Bottom line concerning you:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
Netkook Andy said of himself:
> The wages of bearing false witness is death.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy whined:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/b5e514e014309d2c?hl=en
> "Name-calling is lying for everyone except GOD for you are a
> sockpuppet because He calls you one."
Translation: Andy can do whatever he whines about others doing, because he's
a self-righteous hypocrite.
But mainly he's an idiotic netkook troll attention whore, who gets way more
attention than he deserves.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy the schizophrenic:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f42b15824bf04bbd?
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporal demon) hissed:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b5af6ae28631bd7f?hl=en
Andrew, your schizophrenia is showing.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy, constantly having to tell everyone he's not insane:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/53cd7015e8f71b0c?hl=en
> This physician does not suffer from
> schizophrenia as evident by his active medical license.
It is evident in the fact that said physician has no hospital privileges
whatsoever. A full time drunk can hang onto an automobile license, as
long as he never drives...
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you with fires from Heaven
> right now, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
The insanity is also evident in posts like that. Especially since
everyone, except Chung, knows it to be an insane remark.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy wishes everyone in his cross-posts would die:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/ef7473d3464c334a?hl=en
> The wages of bearing false witness is death ...
>
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
> from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth -->
Oh goody, more death threats from the netkook who says he doesn't keep a
death list.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/e92bd72d797ae961?hl=en
> Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit can tell.
Of course The Netkook is the only person on Earth who "discerns" his
own self-contrived kooky nonsense.
In his warped mind, everyone else who knows he's crazy is "delusional" and
a "prodigal" ahha.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy shrieked:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aae4d43726695f5d?hl=en
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from Heaven right now,
> in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Ha ha, I'll bet you've gotten a lot of mileage out of that one, you netkook
troll attention whore.
The psycho religious mad scientist act is a good gimmick, but I see right
through it, you bush-league phony.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's God complex:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3c510c29f56411dd?hl=en
I'm telling you from experience, that the nutcase Andrew Chung (who believes
that God, as the "Holy Spirit" speaks to him daily or near daily and passes
these "messages" onto people on the net) WILL NOT retreat from anything. He
never admits to anything wrong even though it is so clear he is not "okay"
believing his own brain is God and whatever comes out, be it blessing or
curses is from "God." You can't reach people like Chung with rational
thinking, with obvious wrongdoing according to his beliefs, nothing, no
way, no how, no when, no why, no where... nothing.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy playing an evil stalker wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/78cb7af6d9932773?hl=en
> Jayne, your IP address has always matched up.
>
> You have been outed. Game over.
Andy, you're such a pathetic little creep ha ha ha.
On Jul 3, 7:43 pm, "Andrew B. Chung trolled:
> Being neither K.W. nor Chunkers, this physician
Ah ha ha! Your trolling is so lame. As you haven't already "accidentally"
posted as "Chunkers" several times.
Evidence:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f1838d4513...
Grow up, Andy.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's bad advice:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/835936305153acb8?hl=en
> someone wrote:
>> And eating 32 oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will bring that
>> on and make it worse.
> No.
Yes. Eating 32oz of burgers, hot dogs and fries daily will give a person
heart disease.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's claims of being a Christian were proven a lie
when the all of the real Christians of First Baptist Church Woodstock
kicked him out and threatened to have him arrested if he returned.
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy trashes the bereaved and then shifts gears:
> >I've been sad since mom's death
> > I haven't been able to sleep
> > and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
>
> Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
> when she died of type-2 diabetes out of willful disobedience.
*Later*
> > I've been sad since mom's death
>
> You have my condolences during this your sad time.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy's internet accounts are always being terminated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PObhS3Z9YAQ&NR
--------------------------------
Summery regarding netkook Andy:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/236cd2476186957c?hl=en
> Don't be a worm; be a man Chung. No one
> is interested and all have blocked or mocked you.
**Andrew Chung: Those who don't block him, mock him :-)**
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > :
>
> > > > > > > > > > Do insulin's other actions than glucose uptake suggest that it can
> > > > > > > > > > increase synthesis of energy stores and resist in their break down on
> > > > > > > > > > increased need?
>
> > > > > > > > > No!
>
> > > > > > > > Then, what those actions(as per provided link) suggest?
>
> > > > > > > It would be wise for you to confirm the identity of the poster here on
> > > > > > > Usenet before proceeding with your questions.
>
> > > > > > > You can do this by simply using Google profile **and** checking the
> > > > > > > header information.
>
> > > > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > > > Truth vest in simplicity & balance, whereas lie in
> > > > > > complexicity & imbalance.
>
> > > > > Lies are from the deceived who unwittingly go on to deceive others who
> > > > > (Jeremiahs 17:9).
>
> > > > > > How pro-inflammatory cytokines from adipose tissues(expressed by
> > > > > > elevated C.Reactive Protein) are responsible for getting insulin
> > > > > > resistance?
>
> > > > > Via multiple intracellular MAP (Mitogen Activated Protein) kinase
> > > > > pathways.
>
> > > > Is it true that adipose tissue promoted inflammatory cytokines is main
> > > > reason to getting insulin resistance?
>
> > > Yes.
>
> > > > If yes, how SAT & VAT are responsible to such cytokines?
>
> > > VAT is the source of such cytokines.
>
> > > > Can Insulin resistance also be caused directly from excessive & near
> > > > constant exposure of insulin(endo/exo genous) to target cells by
> > > > downregulation of insulin's receptor mechanism?
>
> > > No.
>
> > > > > >One insulin's senstizer is aimed to control these.
>
> > > > > Wiser to address the VAT which is the source of the pro-inflammatory
> > > > > cytokines.
>
> > > > Is VAT only source to such cytokines or excess SAT also?
>
> > > VAT only.
>
> > > > > the body by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > > > stopping the overeating.
>
> > > > Yes. It is also somewhat endorssed by recent article at BBC.
>
> > > It is absolutely for a fact true.
>
> > > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> > Whether VAT signal to body that energy saturation is achieved ande no
> > more energy store is needed, so down regulation of insulin receptors
> > is triggered to check further uptakes?
>
> The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
hungry & so eat in excess?
> > Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
>
> No.
get(apple shaped). Does it suggest that women are less likely to get
VAT than men? If so how it happen?
> > Can they serve as energy store
> > for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
> > SAT)?
>
> No.
>
> > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > test or also be ESR test?
>
> CRP test and not ESR test.
cytokines?
> > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
>
> (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> undereating.
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Hector de Silva
> Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
Kumar, Andrew Chung is obsessed with the idea that everyone should be
underweight like an anorexic and that they should also be in a
constant state of hunger. He can't show a single published study
(other than stuff written by him alone) to support this.
However, there is a very famous well published study which shows that
people with a little excess VAT live longer, here on WebMD and many
other sources:
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-longer
Bottom line: You will not find any such article on WebMD or anywhere
else (other than Andrew Chung's websites) that support or even mention
his 2PD-OMER Approach. That's because Andrew Chung's theories are
something he invented. They aren't real. They are imaginary.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Laus Deo
> But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> hungry & so eat in excess?
No.
The absolutely only healthy way to not eat in excess is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
(Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
of food.
> > > Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
> >
> > No.
>
> It is said that women don't get central obesity(pear shaped) but Men
> get(apple shaped).
It is VAT and not body shape that is pathological.
> Does it suggest that women are less likely to get
> VAT than men?
No.
> If so how it happen?
Overeating.
> > > Can they serve as energy store
> > > for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
> > > SAT)?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > test or also be ESR test?
> >
> > CRP test and not ESR test.
>
> Thanks.
Laus Deo
> What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> cytokines?
IL-6
> > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
> >
> > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > undereating.
>
> Yes.
Laus Deo
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > >snip> > > The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> > > (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
>
> > Thanks.
>
> Laus Deo
>
> > But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> > hungry & so eat in excess?
>
> No.
> The absolutely only healthy way to not eat in excess is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> of food.
>
> > > > Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
>
> > > No.
>
> > It is said that women don't get central obesity(pear shaped) but Men
> > get(apple shaped).
>
> It is VAT and not body shape that is pathological.
>
> > Does it suggest that women are less likely to get
> > VAT than men?
>
> No.
>
> > If so how it happen?
>
> Overeating.
> > > > Can they serve as energy store
> > > > for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
> > > > SAT)?
>
> > > No.
active than SAT? If yes how?
> > > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > > test or also be ESR test?
>
> > > CRP test and not ESR test.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> Laus Deo
>
> > What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> > cytokines?
>
> IL-6
also other cytokines?
> > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
>
> > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > undereating.
>
> > Yes.
>
> Laus Deo
whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
insulin resistance?
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > >snip> > > The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> > > > (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Laus Deo
> >
> > > But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> > > hungry & so eat in excess?
> >
> > No.
>
> I with VAT(Central obesity) & type2 feel quite hungry.
It is when we are http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrier that the VAT is
burned off.
> > The absolutely only healthy way to not eat in excess is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> > of food.
> >
> > > > > Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
> >
> > > > No.
> >
> > > It is said that women don't get central obesity(pear shaped) but Men
> > > get(apple shaped).
> >
> > It is VAT and not body shape that is pathological.
> >
> > > Does it suggest that women are less likely to get
> > > VAT than men?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > If so how it happen?
> >
> > Overeating.
>
> Means, no difference in VAT accumulation in men & women?
No difference. What is seen are differences in SAT accumulation.
> > > > > Can they serve as energy store
> > > > > for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
> > > > > SAT)?
> >
> > > > No.
>
> Whether VAT have more vasuclarization and are more metabolically
> active than SAT?
Yes.
> If yes how?
Promoting inflammation both locally and systemically.
> > > > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > > > test or also be ESR test?
> >
> > > > CRP test and not ESR test.
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Laus Deo
> >
> > > What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> > > cytokines?
> >
> > IL-6
>
> By pro-infl. cytokines from adipose tissues, are these just IL-6 or
> also other cytokines?
There are other pro-inflammatory adipocytokines also coming from VAT
> > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
> >
> > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > undereating.
> >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > Laus Deo
>
> It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> insulin resistance?
Not while there is still overeating.
The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is to
http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to the right daily amount
(32 oz) of food.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Hector de Silva
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That doesn't look like Andy to me. He is slim and middle aged but
> can some push ups though he is likely a religious nut.
> But then I have ignored AC for so long so maybe this is him.
> Even I can do push up and that is hardly an act of turning
> water to
> wine................................................................
> Trig
It is him. But it is a very old video. And it doesn't clearly show
whether or not he's carrying a bunch of belly VAT. People can carry an
excess of belly VAT while appearing relatively trim as long as they
are wearing lose fitting baggy clothing, such as the lose baggy scrubs
and lab coats Andrew Chung is always obscuring the contours of his
physique with.
Andrew is constantly making challenges that others post videos of
themselves. But he is evading the challenge that he make a brand new
video of himself that proves he has a flat belly free of VAT, either
by at least wearing a tight form fitting t-shirt or athletic shirt.
Or, best yet, if he really has nothing to hide, lifting his shirt to
display the structure of his abdomen. Pat and pinch his belly to show
there is no excess belly VAT.
Otherwise... all reading will be forced to conclude that Andrew
Chung's claims regarding his 2PD-OMER Approach are completely false.
Either it doesn't work, or he's been incapable of adhering to it.
There is no reason why he should delay in posting a new video similar
to this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJ_MDzVQ5w
There's no need or reason for Andrew Chung to have a "six pack", but
he should have no hesitation in displaying a flat VAT free belly in
this manner. Of course he'll need to show his face as well, as he has
in most of his other videos, so all reading will know it is him.
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > :
>
> > > > >snip> > > The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> > > > > (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> > > > hungry & so eat in excess?
>
> > > No.
>
> > I with VAT(Central obesity) & type2 feel quite hungry.
>
> burned off.
When VAT are burned off or broken down, do they provide glucose or
energy to body like SAT provide?
>
>
>
>
> > > The absolutely only healthy way to not eat in excess is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> > > of food.
>
> > > > > > Is there any survival benefit of VAT?
>
> > > > > No.
>
> > > > It is said that women don't get central obesity(pear shaped) but Men
> > > > get(apple shaped).
>
> > > It is VAT and not body shape that is pathological.
>
> > > > Does it suggest that women are less likely to get
> > > > VAT than men?
>
> > > No.
>
> > > > If so how it happen?
>
> > > Overeating.
>
> > Means, no difference in VAT accumulation in men & women?
>
> No difference. What is seen are differences in SAT accumulation.
>
> > > > > > Can they serve as energy store
> > > > > > for immediate & excess need of energy(as more vacularization than
> > > > > > SAT)?
>
> > > > > No.
>
> > Whether VAT have more vasuclarization and are more metabolically
> > active than SAT?
>
> Yes.
>
> > If yes how?
>
> Promoting inflammation both locally and systemically.
inflammation have some survival purpose in body? If not why?
Do on-going inflammatory response cause complete healing without
compromised healing(say wound healing with scaring)? I have noted that
small injuries heal without scaring, if anti-microbials are not
applied. It may suggest, probably madern interventions may lead to
comporomised healing(with scar etc.). Right?
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > > > > test or also be ESR test?
>
> > > > > CRP test and not ESR test.
>
> > > > Thanks.
>
> > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> > > > cytokines?
>
> > > IL-6
>
> > By pro-infl. cytokines from adipose tissues, are these just IL-6 or
> > also other cytokines?
>
> There are other pro-inflammatory adipocytokines also coming from VAT
Yes, as also indicated on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipokine but
which cytokines are related to VAT caused pro-inflammatory in insulin
resistance?
> > > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
>
> > > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > > undereating.
>
> > > > Yes.
>
> > > Laus Deo
>
> > It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> > whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> > insulin resistance?
>
> Not while there is still overeating.
Then, what for insulin senstizer pioglitazone is meant?
> The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthe body by holding to the right daily amount
> (32 oz) of food.
>
> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
I don't feel odd as your tellings do convince me but problem simply
lie in, asking alcoholic to leave drinking or asking a diabetic2 to
eat less.
Will Doing something with consicious mind(manipulative or unnaturally)
not be a casuality or so indicated Karma(cause & effect)?
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
> and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Hector de Silva
saved.
On Jul 7, 1:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com>
wrote:
> "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
Spirit."(1Cor12:3)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
Andrew says being able to simply say (parrot) "Jesus is Lord" means
his soul is saved. And that if someone will make a YouTube video of
themselves simply saying (parroting) "Jesus is Lord" their soul is
saved. This is a dangerous false teaching. It is a lie.
Listen to this Bible teacher take Andrew Chung's false claim apart in
3 1/2 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w&feature=player_embedded
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > >snip> > > The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> > > > > > (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
> >
> > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > > > But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> > > > > hungry & so eat in excess?
> >
> > > > No.
> >
> > > I with VAT(Central obesity) & type2 feel quite hungry.
> >
> > burned off.
>
> When VAT are burned off or broken down, do they provide glucose or
> energy to body like SAT provide?
The breakdown/catabolism of adipose tissue, either SAT or VAT, does
not result in gluconeogenesis (glucose synthesis).
That being written VAT being exclusively burned when there is optimal
GI health arising from the smart choice to http://WDJW.net/Guard the
body by not overeating means that in such a setting of nutritional
sufficiency that net energy gains from the catabolism of VAT is
negligible.
> > > > The absolutely only healthy way to not eat in excess is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
No.
> If not why?
Local and systemic inflammation from VAT is a deleterious consequence
of overeating.
> Do on-going inflammatory response cause complete healing without
> compromised healing(say wound healing with scaring)? I have noted that
> small injuries heal without scaring, if anti-microbials are not
> applied. It may suggest, probably madern interventions may lead to
> comporomised healing(with scar etc.). Right?
Not relevant for the inflammation caused by VAT because there is no
wound.
Moreover, there is impaired wound healing when there is VAT.
> > > > > > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > > > > > test or also be ESR test?
> >
> > > > > > CRP test and not ESR test.
> >
> > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > > > What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> > > > > cytokines?
> >
> > > > IL-6
> >
> > > By pro-infl. cytokines from adipose tissues, are these just IL-6 or
> > > also other cytokines?
> >
> > There are other pro-inflammatory adipocytokines also coming from VAT
>
> Yes, as also indicated on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipokine but
> which cytokines are related to VAT caused pro-inflammatory in insulin
> resistance?
All are involved.
> > > > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
> >
> > > > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT
> > > > > > is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > > > undereating.
> >
> > > > > Yes.
> >
> > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> > > whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> > > insulin resistance?
> >
> > Not while there is still overeating.
>
> Then, what for insulin senstizer pioglitazone is meant?
It still gets overwhelmed by the overeating.
> > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > the body by holding to the right daily amount
> > (32 oz) of food.
> >
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
Hector de Silva
..
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > :
>
> > > > > > >snip> > > The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> > > > > > > (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
>
> > > > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > > > But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> > > > > > hungry & so eat in excess?
>
> > > > > No.
>
> > > > I with VAT(Central obesity) & type2 feel quite hungry.
>
> > > burned off.
>
> > When VAT are burned off or broken down, do they provide glucose or
> > energy to body like SAT provide?
>
> The breakdown/catabolism of adipose tissue, either SAT or VAT, does
> not result in gluconeogenesis (glucose synthesis).
energy as SAT provide?
> That being written VAT being exclusively burned when there is optimal
> GI health arising from the smart choice tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthe
> body by not overeating means that in such a setting of nutritional
> sufficiency that net energy gains from the catabolism of VAT is
> negligible.
Thanks. This awnser my above question.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > The absolutely only healthy way to not eat in excess is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
Whether such inflammation is relevant to lipid peroxidation?
> > Do on-going inflammatory response cause complete healing without
> > compromised healing(say wound healing with scaring)? I have noted that
> > small injuries heal without scaring, if anti-microbials are not
> > applied. It may suggest, probably madern interventions may lead to
> > comporomised healing(with scar etc.). Right?
>
> Not relevant for the inflammation caused by VAT because there is no
> wound.
Inflammation may also be injurious. What about others wounds?
> Moreover, there is impaired wound healing when there is VAT.
Is it due to that inflammatory response from VAT in injurious?
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > > > > > > test or also be ESR test?
>
> > > > > > > CRP test and not ESR test.
>
> > > > > > Thanks.
>
> > > > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > > > What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> > > > > > cytokines?
>
> > > > > IL-6
>
> > > > By pro-infl. cytokines from adipose tissues, are these just IL-6 or
> > > > also other cytokines?
>
> > > There are other pro-inflammatory adipocytokines also coming from VAT
>
> > Yes, as also indicated onhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipokinebut
> > which cytokines are related to VAT caused pro-inflammatory in insulin
> > resistance?
>
> All are involved.
Thanks. What are prospects of visfatin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visfatin?
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
>
> > > > > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT
> > > > > > > is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > > > > undereating.
>
> > > > > > Yes.
>
> > > > > Laus Deo
>
> > > > It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> > > > whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> > > > insulin resistance?
>
> > > Not while there is still overeating.
>
> > Then, what for insulin senstizer pioglitazone is meant?
>
> It still gets overwhelmed by the overeating.
Yes but still, will these take care some?
Whether beta cells remain intact & overexpressed in insulin resistant
diabetics with VAT?
Whether your telling about eating less/optimal is just relevant to
insulin resistant type2 diabetics or also to type1 diabetics?
> > > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > the body by holding to the right daily amount
> > > (32 oz) of food.
>
> > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
Spritually, Truth should lie in balance(harmony of all
constituents) ,in homeostasis, in view of nature balances itself.
Deviating from balance is sin whereas moving towards balance is good
act(antonym to sin). Eg. in a wave, ups are positive side--angel side
whereas downs are negative/devil side--so disturbances on both sides--
so lie. Centreline is balance so truth/Godlike in basic sense.
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > >snip> > > The signal that energy saturation is achieved is becoming less hungry
> > > > > > > > (less healthy) as VAT accumulates around viscera (vital organs).
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > > > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > > > > > But still diabetics with central obesity feel themselves more
> > > > > > > hungry & so eat in excess?
> >
> > > > > > No.
> >
> > > > > I with VAT(Central obesity) & type2 feel quite hungry.
> >
> > > > It is when we arehttp://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrierthat the VAT is
> > > > burned off.
> >
> > > When VAT are burned off or broken down, do they provide glucose or
> > > energy to body like SAT provide?
> >
> > The breakdown/catabolism of adipose tissue, either SAT or VAT, does
> > not result in gluconeogenesis (glucose synthesis).
>
> Yes but still it povide energy on need. Do VAT burning prove similar
> energy as SAT provide?
There is no evidence that VAT is anything except deleterious.
> > That being written VAT being exclusively burned when there is optimal
> > GI health arising from the smart choice to http://WDJW.net/Guard the
> > body by not overeating means that in such a setting of nutritional
> > sufficiency that net energy gains from the catabolism of VAT is
> > negligible.
>
> Thanks. This awnser my above question.
Laus Deo
It is the cause.
> > > Do on-going inflammatory response cause complete healing without
> > > compromised healing(say wound healing with scaring)? I have noted that
> > > small injuries heal without scaring, if anti-microbials are not
> > > applied. It may suggest, probably madern interventions may lead to
> > > comporomised healing(with scar etc.). Right?
> >
> > Not relevant for the inflammation caused by VAT because there is no
> > wound.
>
> Inflammation may also be injurious. What about others wounds?
The atherosclerotic plaques within arteries are intravascular wounds
caused by VAT.
> > Moreover, there is impaired wound healing when there is VAT.
>
> Is it due to that inflammatory response from VAT in injurious?
It is multifactorial.
> > > > > > > > > Whether abnormality of pro-inflammatory cytokines is expressed by CRP
> > > > > > > > > test or also be ESR test?
> >
> > > > > > > > CRP test and not ESR test.
> >
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> >
> > > > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > > > > > What can be other tests/markers for abnormal pro-inflammatory
> > > > > > > cytokines?
> >
> > > > > > IL-6
> >
> > > > > By pro-infl. cytokines from adipose tissues, are these just IL-6 or
> > > > > also other cytokines?
> >
> > > > There are other pro-inflammatory adipocytokines also coming from VAT
> >
> > > Yes, as also indicated onhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipokinebut
> > > which cytokines are related to VAT caused pro-inflammatory in insulin
> > > resistance?
> >
> > All are involved.
>
> Thanks.
Laus Deo
> What are prospects of visfatin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visfatin?
Smarter to lose the VAT:
> > > > > > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
> >
> > > > > > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT
> > > > > > > > is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > > > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > > > > > undereating.
> >
> > > > > > > Yes.
> >
> > > > > > Laus Deo
> >
> > > > > It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> > > > > whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> > > > > insulin resistance?
> >
> > > > Not while there is still overeating.
> >
> > > Then, what for insulin senstizer pioglitazone is meant?
> >
> > It still gets overwhelmed by the overeating.
>
> Yes but still, will these take care some?
Smarter to lose the VAT:
> Whether beta cells remain intact & overexpressed in insulin resistant
> diabetics with VAT?
The inflammation from VAT is causing their apoptosis.
> Whether your telling about eating less/optimal is just relevant to
> insulin resistant type2 diabetics or also to type1 diabetics?
It is relevant to everyone.
> > > > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > the body by holding to the right daily amount
> > > > (32 oz) of food.
> >
> > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
Andrew Chung Is ATroll
evil
to get a reaction from them, which he savors, because he has nothing
else in life. Rejected by his wife, he hates women. Rejected by the
medical community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them. Rejected
by the Christian community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them.
Rejected by several newsgroups, he seeks to disrupt them.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" lied:
> Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunked, this physician...
is full of it.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56739d6a8eb39fd8?hl=en
and
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f1838d4513e5e6be?hl=en
"Jan Drew" is yet another one of Andrew Chung's puppets.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7030711ee20429e9?hl=en
Grow up, little Andy.
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>snip>
> > > not result in gluconeogenesis (glucose synthesis).
>
> > Yes but still it povide energy on need. Do VAT burning prove similar
> > energy as SAT provide?
>
> There is no evidence that VAT is anything except deleterious.
& exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
Whether genaration of such cytokines from other than VAT reasons and
inflammation from other reasons add to disorder from VAT oriented
cytokines genaration?
> > > That being written VAT being exclusively burned when there is optimal
> > > GI health arising from the smart choice tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthe
> > > body by not overeating means that in such a setting of nutritional
> > > sufficiency that net energy gains from the catabolism of VAT is
> > > negligible.
>
> > Thanks. This awnser my above question.
>
> Laus Deo
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > active than SAT?
>
> > > > > Yes.
>
> > > > > > If yes how?
>
> > > > > Promoting inflammation both locally and systemically.
>
> > > > Inflammation is immune response. So in general, whether all type of
> > > > inflammation have some survival purpose in body?
>
> > > No.
>
> > > > If not why?
>
> > > Local and systemic inflammation from VAT is a deleterious consequence
> > > of overeating.
>
> > Whether such inflammation is relevant to lipid peroxidation?
>
> It is the cause.
>
> > > > Do on-going inflammatory response cause complete healing without
> > > > compromised healing(say wound healing with scaring)? I have noted that
> > > > small injuries heal without scaring, if anti-microbials are not
> > > > applied. It may suggest, probably madern interventions may lead to
> > > > comporomised healing(with scar etc.). Right?
>
> > > Not relevant for the inflammation caused by VAT because there is no
> > > wound.
>
> > Inflammation may also be injurious. What about others wounds?
>
> The atherosclerotic plaques within arteries are intravascular wounds
> caused by VAT.
cytokines produced by VAT?
> > > Moreover, there is impaired wound healing when there is VAT.
>
> > Is it due to that inflammatory response from VAT in injurious?
>
> It is multifactorial.
motility, increased intestinal mucus, unclear motions,gas etc.? If
yes, pls tell in more detail.
>
snip>
> > Thanks.
>
> Laus Deo
>
> > What are prospects of visfatinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visfatin?Yes, that should be basic & ultimate preferance but bit difficult to
follow.
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > > > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
>
> > > > > > > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT
> > > > > > > > > is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > > > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > > > > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > > > > > > undereating.
>
> > > > > > > > Yes.
>
> Laus Deo
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=206010
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=210954
>
> > > > > > It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> > > > > > whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> > > > > > insulin resistance?
>
> > > > > Not while there is still overeating.
>
> > > > Then, what for insulin senstizer pioglitazone is meant?
>
> > > It still gets overwhelmed by the overeating.
>
> > Yes but still, will these take care some?
>
> Smarter to lose the VAT:
>
> http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
Yes.
> > Whether beta cells remain intact & overexpressed in insulin resistant
> > diabetics with VAT?
>
> The inflammation from VAT is causing their apoptosis.
Thanks. One endocrinologist adviced me to do these tests to assess my
real status of diabetes--C.Peptide, GAD antibodies, Vit B-12 & Vit-D.
Though I could not do that but how these are relevant?
> > Whether your telling about eating less/optimal is just relevant to
> > insulin resistant type2 diabetics or also to type1 diabetics?
>
> It is relevant to everyone.
Whether such eating suggestions are permanent or uptill insulin
resistance is reversed?
Whether manipulating such eating is natural or unnatural( an act with
consicious mind)?
> > > > > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > the body by holding to the right daily amount
> > > > > (32 oz) of food.
>
> > > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Kumar
wrote:
> Andrew Chung is a troll. He tries to upset people by being rude and
> evil
> to get a reaction from them, which he savors, because he has nothing
> else in life. Rejected by his wife, he hates women. Rejected by the
> medical community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them. Rejected
> by the Christian community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them.
> Rejected by several newsgroups, he seeks to disrupt them.
>
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" lied:> Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunked, this physician...
>
> is full of it.
>
> andhttp://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f1838d4513...
>
> "Jan Drew" is yet another one of Andrew Chung's puppets.
>
>
> Grow up, little Andy.
>
> Being able to say (parrot) "Jesus is Lord" does not mean your soul is
> saved.
>
> On Jul 7, 1:33 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy
> Spirit."(1Cor12:3)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/
> msg/035c93540862751c?
>
> Andrew says being able to simply say (parrot) "Jesus is Lord" means
> his soul is saved. And that if someone will make a YouTube video of
> themselves simply saying (parroting) "Jesus is Lord" their soul is
> saved. This is a dangerous false teaching. It is a lie.
>
> Listen to this Bible teacher take Andrew Chung's false claim apart in
> 3 1/2 minutes:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8vK2CHWN5w&feature=player_embedded
It was somewhaere at pubmed(lost link);
"Those who can't do or don't want to do should not resist others
doing"
Better to contribute instead just to contradict.
Kumar
>
"While this study on human diabetics is preliminary and needs
confirmatory results in healthy populations, there were other benefits
associated with consuming a low glycotoxin diet. Not only did the
diabetics consuming the low glycotoxin diet lose weight, but their
blood glucose levels also dropped. In the group eating the high
glycotoxin diet, blood glucose levels increased. Elevated glucose
levels can trigger production of deadly inflammatory cytokines.
It should be noted that the number of calories, carbohydrates,
proteins and fat was the same in both the high and low glycotoxin
diets. The diabetics consuming the low glycotoxin diet, however, lost
weight. It is well known that reducing excess weight and glucose
levels confers longer life.
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2003/may2003_awsi_01.html
VAT or AGEs, which can be more relevant to diabetes2?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > The breakdown/catabolism of adipose tissue, either SAT or VAT, does
> > > > not result in gluconeogenesis (glucose synthesis).
> >
> > > Yes but still it povide energy on need. Do VAT burning prove similar
> > > energy as SAT provide?
> >
> > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except deleterious.
>
> How genarationj of pro-inflammatory cytokines is related to endogeneos
> & exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
> foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
The metabolic syndrome (MetS) arising from the PIACs (Pro-Inflammatory
Adipo-Cytokines) results in the generation of endogenous AGEs
> Whether genaration of such cytokines from other than VAT reasons and
> inflammation from other reasons add to disorder from VAT oriented
> cytokines genaration?
While there is overeating, there is no other relevant reason for the
MetS just as while there is smoking, there is no other relevant reason
for lung disease.
It is due to the MetS caused by the PIACs (see above).
> > > > Moreover, there is impaired wound healing when there is VAT.
> >
> > > Is it due to that inflammatory response from VAT in injurious?
> >
> > It is multifactorial.
>
> Whether VAT cause GI tract disorders i.e. decreased intestine
> motility, increased intestinal mucus, unclear motions,gas etc.? If
> yes, pls tell in more detail.
Yes, through the direct toxic effects of the PIACs.
><snip>
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Laus Deo
> > > What are prospects of visfatinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visfatin?
> >
> > Smarter to lose the VAT:
> >
> > http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
>
> Yes, that should be basic & ultimate preferance but bit difficult to
> follow.
That would be because of the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) until we http://WDJW.net/Guard
(Proverbs 4:23) it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Other than losing VAT by eating less, can there be other medication to
> > > > > > > > > > > check its pro-infalmatory effects?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The absolutely only **healthy** way to lose the VAT
> > > > > > > > > > is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > > > > > > (Proverbs 4:23) the heart (Jeremiah 17:9) by holding to the right
> > > > > > > > > > daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating without
> > > > > > > > > > undereating.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Yes.
> >
> > Laus Deo
> May these links add, ignore odds;
>
> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=206010
> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=210954
>
> >
> > > > > > > It is wiser to control diet first like alcohol intake first, but still
> > > > > > > whether anti inflammatory medicines help in reducing cytokines &
> > > > > > > insulin resistance?
> >
> > > > > > Not while there is still overeating.
> >
> > > > > Then, what for insulin senstizer pioglitazone is meant?
> >
> > > > It still gets overwhelmed by the overeating.
> >
> > > Yes but still, will these take care some?
> >
> > Smarter to lose the VAT:
> >
> > http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
>
> Yes.
>
> > > Whether beta cells remain intact & overexpressed in insulin resistant
> > > diabetics with VAT?
> >
> > The inflammation from VAT is causing their apoptosis.
>
> Thanks.
Laus Deo
> One endocrinologist adviced me to do these tests to assess my
> real status of diabetes--C.Peptide, GAD antibodies, Vit B-12 & Vit-D.
> Though I could not do that but how these are relevant?
They are not relevant in the setting of overeating.
> > > Whether your telling about eating less/optimal is just relevant to
> > > insulin resistant type2 diabetics or also to type1 diabetics?
> >
> > It is relevant to everyone.
>
> Whether such eating suggestions are permanent or uptill insulin
> resistance is reversed?
Permanent.
> Whether manipulating such eating is natural or unnatural( an act with
> consicious mind)?
Supernatural (SuperEgo):
> > > > > > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating
> > > > > > is to http://WDJW.net/Guard
> > > > > > the body by holding to the right daily amount
> > > > > > (32 oz) of food.
> >
> > > > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
This gentile Christian disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
of foods yesterday and is http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry while
really satisfied (Lk6:21A) knowing that the LORD provided his body
with all the needed good food and his mind with knowing to http://WDJW.net/BeHungry
which are words from His mouth (Dt8:3). Let us continue to http://WDJW.net/BeWise
about this.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
deleterious.
>
> > How genaration of pro-inflammatory cytokines is related to endogeneos
> > & exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
> > foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
>
> The metabolic syndrome (MetS) arising from the PIACs (Pro-Inflammatory
> Adipo-Cytokines) results in the generation of endogenous AGEs
pathogenesis, we can also see that it has similar mechanism like VATs.
Hence. Can AGEs abnormality be a direct cause to getting insulin
resistance instead of or with VAT? Pls see my previous post.
> > Whether genaration of such cytokines from other than VAT reasons and
> > inflammation from other reasons add to disorder from VAT oriented
> > cytokines genaration?
>
> While there is overeating, there is no other relevant reason for the
> MetS just as while there is smoking, there is no other relevant reason
> for lung disease.
AGEs , saturated fats, high GI foods, less sleep..are indicated for
encouraging infl. cytokines. Ok ?
>
>
>
>
> > > > > That being written VAT being exclusively burned when there is optimal
> > > > > GI health arising from the smart choice tohttp://WDJW.net/Guardthe
> > > > > body by not overeating means that in such a setting of nutritional
> > > > > sufficiency that net energy gains from the catabolism of VAT is
> > > > > negligible.
>
> > > > Thanks. This awnser my above question.
>
intravascular wounds
> > > caused by VAT.
>
> > Whether such plaques are due to direct VAT burning or due to pro-infm.
> > cytokines produced by VAT?
>
> It is due to the MetS caused by the PIACs (see above).
snip> > Whether VAT cause GI tract disorders i.e. decreased intestine
> > motility, increased intestinal mucus, unclear motions,gas etc.? If
> > yes, pls tell in more detail.
>
> Yes, through the direct toxic effects of the PIACs.
> ><snip>
> > > > Thanks.
> >
> > Yes, that should be basic & ultimate preferance but bit difficult to
> > follow.
>
> (Proverbs 4:23) it.
Ok.
>>
>
>
> > May these links add, ignore odds;
>
> >http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=206010
> > http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=210954
>
> > real status of diabetes--C.Peptide, GAD antibodies, Vit B-12 & Vit-D.
> > Though I could not do that but how these are relevant?
>
> They are not relevant in the setting of overeating.
But its insestivity just matter?
> > > > Whether your telling about eating less/optimal is just relevant to
> > > > insulin resistant type2 diabetics or also to type1 diabetics?
>
> > > It is relevant to everyone.
>
> > Whether such eating suggestions are permanent or uptill insulin
> > resistance is reversed?
>
> Permanent.
> > Whether manipulating such eating is natural or unnatural( an act with
> > consicious mind)?
>
> Supernatural (SuperEgo):
>
> http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit
unnatural(casuality). If so, how it can be right?
> > > > > > > The absolutely only healthy way to stop the overeating
> > > > > > > the body by holding to the right daily amount
> > > > > > > (32 oz) of food.
>
> > > > > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
>
> This gentile Christian disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
> of foods yesterday and ishttp://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrywhile
> really satisfied (Lk6:21A) knowing that the LORD provided his body
> which are words from His mouth (Dt8:3). Let us continue tohttp://WDJW.net/BeWise
> about this.
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> snip> > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> deleterious.
> >
> > > How genaration of pro-inflammatory cytokines is related to endogeneos
> > > & exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
> > > foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
> >
> > The metabolic syndrome (MetS) arising from the PIACs (Pro-Inflammatory
> > Adipo-Cytokines) results in the generation of endogenous AGEs
>
> AGEs can also encourage pro-infl. cytokines.
Endogeneous AGEs don't happen when there is no VAT.
Moreover, when there is no VAT, the GI tract is healthier to keep
exogenous AGEs from getting into the parenteral circulation.
The absolutely only healthy way to lose all the VAT so that we are
healthier ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrier ) able to effortlessly
do push-ups all day is to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the
heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
stopping the overeating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bored-certifiable QUACK
HS
evil
to get a reaction from them, which he savors, because he has nothing
else in life. Rejected by his wife, he hates women. Rejected by the
medical community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them. Rejected
by the Christian community, he seeks to be an embarrassment to them.
Rejected by several newsgroups, he seeks to disrupt them.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" lied:
> Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunked, this physician...
is full of it.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56739d6a8eb39fd8?hl=en
and
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f1838d4513e5e6be?hl=en
"Jan Drew" is yet another one of Andrew Chung's puppets.
See:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7030711ee20429e9?hl=en
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Ken simply because we really love
him as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to GOD the
Father.
Ken really wrote in part:
> Imma Insane
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/88e8e69d05552aa0?
Yes you are insane, Ken.
Ken wrote earlier in part:
>
> "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
> different results"
> Albert Einstein ...
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/77109afdfa9455f5?
... and ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd4a3310cdc6e165?
Actually, insanity is simply a condition of being disconnected from
reality falsely thinking fiction is truth thereby suffering from
delusions.
For example, your quoting Albert Einstein's fictional definition of
insanity multiple times and applying it as if it were true serves well
as evidence that you really are becoming insane.
Ken wrote earlier in part:
>
> Schizophrenia can set in at any time but it's usual shows up in early
> adulthood.
>
> I'm predisposed due to my biological maw spending her adult life in a
> hospital as a paranoid schizophrenic before passing in '66
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/40a1fbe0d8ff812a?
Only the truth, Who is Jesus, can keep you from becoming more
delusional like your mom was.
There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
psychopathology:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?
Bottom line concerning you, Ken:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
And, so this bona-fide physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) freely
chooses to continue to pray for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Ken, a new heart and a
new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born
again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
HS
Darth Linoleum
named Jayne Cobb:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/24690f7a846de9bb?hl=en
> ... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
> to also pray for Jayne Cobb simply because we
> really love her as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to
> GOD the Father.
Jayne Cobb (played by Adam Baldwin) on the TV series Firefly,
is a tall (6'4"), physically imposing mercenary
previously uninvolved with the Unification War.
Despite his comparatively brutish manner,
Jayne regularly displays cunning and common sense.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0003807/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayne_Cobb#Jayne_Cobb
--------------------------------
HS
Tornado
wrote:
> ... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
> really love her as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to
> GOD the Father.
There goes the insane doctor insisting on praying for a character from
a science fiction TV show.
> Jayne Cobb
That's the one:
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0003807/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayne_Cobb#Jayne_Cobb
> Seeker
A character from fantasy books and movies
http://www.frodis.net/marauder/potter/theseeker.jpg
> Dr. House
Another fictional character from a TV show:
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0015927/
Now why is is that the fictional characters, Seeker and Dr. House go
without Andrew Chung's intercessory internet prayers, while the
fictional character, Jayne Cobb, gets so much attention?
Because foolish Andrew Chung thought in that string of names of
fictional characters, Jayne Cobb was a real person ROTF.
> Please kindly (Ephesians 4:32)
Ephesians 4:32:
"Be kind and compassionate to one another"
Andrew B. Chung:
"May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now"
> May God soften your heart...
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > snip> > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> > deleterious.
>
> > > > How genaration of pro-inflammatory cytokines is related to endogeneos
> > > > & exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
> > > > foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
>
> > > The metabolic syndrome (MetS) arising from the PIACs (Pro-Inflammatory
> > > Adipo-Cytokines) results in the generation of endogenous AGEs
>
> > AGEs can also encourage pro-infl. cytokines.
>
> Endogeneous AGEs don't happen when there is no VAT.
> Moreover, when there is no VAT, the GI tract is healthier to keep
> exogenous AGEs from getting into the parenteral circulation.
How it can be possible?
Whether VAT are like brown fat?
Whether VAT burning provide heat ?
> The absolutely only healthy way to lose all the VAT so that we are
> healthier (http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrier) able to effortlessly
> do push-ups all day is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard(Proverbs 4:23) the
> heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> stopping the overeating:
Yes.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
>
> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > snip> > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> > > deleterious.
> >
> > > > > How genaration of pro-inflammatory cytokines is related to endogeneos
> > > > > & exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
> > > > > foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
> >
> > > > The metabolic syndrome (MetS) arising from the PIACs (Pro-Inflammatory
> > > > Adipo-Cytokines) results in the generation of endogenous AGEs
> >
> > > AGEs can also encourage pro-infl. cytokines.
> >
> > Endogeneous AGEs don't happen when there is no VAT.
>
> > Moreover, when there is no VAT, the GI tract is healthier to keep
> > exogenous AGEs from getting into the parenteral circulation.
>
> How it can be possible?
Matthew 19:26
> Whether VAT are like brown fat?
No.
> Whether VAT burning provide heat ?
No.
> > The absolutely only healthy way to lose all the VAT so that we are
> > healthier (http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrier) able to effortlessly
> > do push-ups all day is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard(Proverbs 4:23) the
> > heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > stopping the overeating:
>
> Yes.
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
> >
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
This gentile Christian disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
of foods yesterday and is http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry while
really satisfied (Lk6:21A) knowing that the LORD provided his body
with all the needed good food and his mind with knowing to http://WDJW.net/BeHungry
which are words from His mouth (Dt8:3). Let us continue to http://WDJW.net/BeWise
about this.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Father:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
Bottom line concerning lying sockpuppets:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4afe0b3434b3e018?
May GOD continue to annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from
Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth -
Only the truth can cure the 'hunger is starvation' delusion:"
http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Truth-hunger-starvation-delusion/dp/1440147663/
"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Wherez da evidence?
wrote:
[...]
> May GOD continue to annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from
> Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth
Do you feel that way about the sockpuppet "Chuncked"? Do you want the
person behind the "Chunked" sockpuppet to be annihilated?
By now you must realize that Chunked has been stalking a real person.
Would you care to publicly denounce such behavior? If you delete
these questions and replace this post with spam that would indicate
that you agree with Chunked's behavior.
[..]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
really love her as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to
GOD the Father.
Jayne Cobb (aka Wherez da evidence, Seeker, and Dr. House) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7d4c7a6c75a6f6?
> >
> > (nudity neither necessary nor permitted)
>
> Then how can I prove it to you? Think it through.
Looking like a man and talking like a man on YouTube (especially in
the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Holy Spirit, saying "Jesus is LORD"
with your mouth) would be evidence that you are a man, while excuses
instead of evidence would continue to serve to convince all reading
this that you are not a man.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/76dc340ee8df4462?
Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunkers, this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) patiently (Ephesians 4:2) awaits the video evidence on YouTube
(nudity neither necessary nor permitted) that you are male and that
you can say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans 10:9) as you have
claimed.
Please kindly (Ephesians 4:32) let all know "wherez da evidence" when
you have done this, otherwise all reading this should remain convinced
that you have been lying as you have been lying about this physician
asking you to call him to say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans
10:9).
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/138c28b798808d96?
Here's a **recent** YouTube video example of this physician (
http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) doing what has been requested of you
thereby annihilating all the lying sockpuppets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
May GOD soften your heart, Jayne, so that you would stop lying as you
come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
--
Wherez da evidence?
wrote:
> ... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends like Rod Eastman
> really love her as our LORD commands
Why do you lie?
[...]
> Jayne Cobb (aka Wherez da evidence, Seeker, and Dr. House) wrote:
But you know that the current Jayne Cobb isn't me. I had that screen
name over three years ago. After I abandoned it I never went back to
it. Somebody is using it now but it isn't me. Don't ignore this
difference because that would have deceptive implications.
[..]
> the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Holy Spirit, saying "Jesus is LORD"
> with your mouth)
See? I didn't lie when I said you want to hear me say "Jesus is
LORD".
[...]
> . . . otherwise all reading this should remain convinced
> that you have been lying as you have been lying about this physician
> asking you to call him to say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans
> 10:9).
It is well known that I do not lie.
[..]
> Here's a **recent** YouTube video example of this physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) doing what has been requested of you
> thereby annihilating all the lying sockpuppets:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
It doesn't annihilate all the lying sockpuppets. Are you confused
about the meaning of annihilate? One of the biggest lying sockpuppets
is Chunked. I see you deleted my comments on his stalking behavior.
Your silence indicates that you approve.
> May GOD soften your heart, Jayne, so that you would stop lying as you
> come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth
I don't lie. But you knew that already.
[..]
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Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > snip> > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> > > > deleterious.
>
> > > > > > How genaration of pro-inflammatory cytokines is related to endogeneos
> > > > > > & exogenous advance glycation end products(exo--chips,fried foods,
> > > > > > foods cooked at high temp. etc.)?
>
> > > > > The metabolic syndrome (MetS) arising from the PIACs (Pro-Inflammatory
> > > > > Adipo-Cytokines) results in the generation of endogenous AGEs
>
> > > > AGEs can also encourage pro-infl. cytokines.
>
> > > Endogeneous AGEs don't happen when there is no VAT.
>
> > > Moreover, when there is no VAT, the GI tract is healthier to keep
> > > exogenous AGEs from getting into the parenteral circulation.
>
> > How it can be possible?
>
> Matthew 19:26
>
> > Whether VAT are like brown fat?
>
> No.
>
> > Whether VAT burning provide heat ?
>
> No.
there some healing agents which can decrease VAT?
Many people vwho are overeating but do not develop VAT but become
obese due to SAT whearas others can develop VAT. How such difference
occur?
Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
> > > The absolutely only healthy way to lose all the VAT so that we are
> > > healthier (http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrier) able to effortlessly
> > > do push-ups all day is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard(Proverbs4:23) the
> > > heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > stopping the overeating:
>
> > Yes.
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
>
> > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> This gentile Christian disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
> of foods yesterday and ishttp://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrywhile
> really satisfied (Lk6:21A) knowing that the LORD provided his body
> with all the needed good food and his mind with knowing tohttp://WDJW.net/BeHungry
> which are words from His mouth (Dt8:3). Let us continue tohttp://WDJW.net/BeWise
> about this.
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
3:10 to Yuma
> On Jul 10, 11:01 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement with all glory to GOD the
> > Father:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
>
> struggling mightily at doing push-ups?
> Seen it. Strike one.
>
> At Chung still in baggy purposefully conciliating clothing?
> Seen it. Strike two.
>
> At Chung completely failing to prove he/she's not hiding a bulging pot
> belly full of jelly called VAT?
> Seen it. Strike three.
Ah ha ha! I'm laughing so hard tears are rolling down my cheeks!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not while there is overeating.
> Many people vwho are overeating but do not develop VAT but become
> obese due to SAT whearas others can develop VAT. How such difference
> occur?
VAT, which includes intra-arterial atherosclerotic plaques, is a
consequence of overeating for all as evident by the presence of fatty
streaks in young soldiers on autopsy during wartime.
> Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
these acquired illnesses.
> Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
Not while there is overeating.
> > > > The absolutely only healthy way to lose all the VAT so that we are
> > > > healthier (http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrier) able to effortlessly
> > > > do push-ups all day is tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard(Proverbs4:23) the
> > > > heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > > stopping the overeating:
> >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
> >
> > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >
> > > >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
really love her as our LORD commands (John 15:12) with all glory to
GOD the Father.
Jayne Cobb (aka Wherez da evidence, Seeker, and Dr. House) wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d7d4c7a6c75a6f6?
> >
> > (nudity neither necessary nor permitted)
>
> Then how can I prove it to you? Think it through.
Looking like a man and talking like a man on YouTube (especially in
the Spirit of Truth, Who is the Holy Spirit, saying "Jesus is LORD"
with your mouth) would be evidence that you are a man, while excuses
instead of evidence would continue to serve to convince all reading
this that you are not a man.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/76dc340ee8df4462?
Again, being neither K.W. nor Chunkers, this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) patiently (Ephesians 4:2) awaits the video evidence on YouTube
(nudity neither necessary nor permitted) that you are male and that
you can say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans 10:9) as you have
claimed.
Please kindly (Ephesians 4:32) let all know "wherez da evidence" when
you have done this, otherwise all reading this should remain convinced
that you have been lying as you have been lying about this physician
asking you to call him to say "Jesus is LORD" with your mouth (Romans
10:9).
Reference:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/138c28b798808d96?
Here's a **recent** YouTube video example of this physician (
http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) doing what has been requested of you
thereby annihilating all the lying sockpuppets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
May GOD soften your heart, Jayne, so that you would stop lying as you
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > , in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > > > > > snip> > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> > > > > > deleterious.
>
healthier to keep
> > > > > exogenous AGEs from getting into the parenteral circulation.
>
> > > > How it can be possible?
>
> > > Matthew 19:26
>
> > > > Whether VAT are like brown fat?
>
> > > No.
>
> > > > Whether VAT burning provide heat ?
>
> > > No.
>
> > No doubt that eating right amount can decrease VAT but still, Are
> > there some healing agents which can decrease VAT?
>
> Not while there is overeating.
>
> > Many people vwho are overeating but do not develop VAT but become
> > obese due to SAT whearas others can develop VAT. How such difference
> > occur?
>
> VAT, which includes intra-arterial atherosclerotic plaques, is a
> consequence of overeating for all as evident by the presence of fatty
> streaks in young soldiers on autopsy during wartime.
Whether VAT accumulation is intra-arterial or outer-arterial?
Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
increase AGEs? Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
> > Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> > stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
>
> It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
> acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
> these acquired illnesses.
But if chemicals in any medicine is hetrogenous, will it not cause
inflammatory or antigenic effect?
> > Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
>
> Not while there is overeating.
Does it mean, there is no medical option to control VAT & AGEs other
than avoiding overeating?
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Visceral.
> Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
> increase AGEs?
Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
> Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
No.
> > > Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> > > stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
> >
> > It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
> > acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
> > these acquired illnesses.
>
> But if chemicals in any medicine is hetrogenous, will it not cause
> inflammatory or antigenic effect?
Not in a healthy person who is eating the right daily amount (32 oz)
of food.
> > > Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
> >
> > Not while there is overeating.
>
> Does it mean, there is no medical option to control VAT & AGEs other
> than avoiding overeating?
It remains much smarter to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the
heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
neither overeating nor undereating.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Happy Oyster <>
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
>amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
That is an insane claim.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to die. He wants their death.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a danger to the public.
FAQ about the Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
========================================
12.7.2011
0. Preword
1. Where to FILE A COMPLAINT about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
2. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a sadistic swine
3. Andrew Ben Hua Chung and the Georgia medical board
4. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
6. verity about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
7. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
8. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site
The attorneys of state at Atlanta have homework to do!
9. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
10. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
11. Facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
12. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung preaches hate-crime
and wants people to be killed.
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14. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud; he spits on the Ten Commandments
15. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung tramps on dying patients and on dead patients.
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New facts about the damages he caused to patients
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be erased from the planet
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28. Studies about hunger and brain shrinkage
29. Do not forget: fight hunger!
0. Preword
----------
Today is May, 6th., 2010.
Since 14.9.2009 until now I received 9135 posts in this very news-group
sci.med.cardiology.
Of these 9135 posts 3228 are sent by Andrew Ben Hua Chung. His sole interest is
to harass and to stalk others.
Here are some quotes of examples:
A)
On Thu, 06 May 2010 10:25:13 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:
>There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
>psychopathology:
B)
On Thu, 06 May 2010 08:46:45 -0400, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WIJ.com> wrote:
A look at the header reveals:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WIJ.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Politely asking Steve Hayes a 4th time here that simple yes/no question
that only the perishing can't answer with an affirmative ...
</quote>
Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a damned swine and criminal Net stalker, he even
terrorizes dying patients. Following his "advice" can lead to death.
The usenet is one of the most wonderful and important inventions in the history
of mankind. It is not meant to be abused by criminals like the sadistic stalker
Andrew Ben Hua Chung.
1. Where to FILE A COMPLAINT about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-------------------------------------------------------------
Complaints about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung can be sent to these police
officers:
Contact Information
Sheriff Neil Warren
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4609
E-mail: neil....@cobbcounty.org
Chief Deputy Sheriff Lynda Coker
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4609
E-mail: lco...@bellsouth.net
Nancy Bodiford
Executive Assistance
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Telephone: (770) 499-4609
Facsimile: (770) 499-4792
E-mail: me...@CobbSheriff.Org
Paula Morris
Assistant
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Telephone: (770) 499-4611
Facsimile: (770) 499-4792
E-mail: Paula....@CobbCounty.Org
Kimberly Norrell
Assistant
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4617
E-mail: Kimberly...@cobbcounty.org
-------------------------
2. Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a sadistic swine
-------------------------------------------
Andrew Ben Hua Chung is no real doctor. He is a sadistic swine. He makes claims
(gives medical "advice"), which to follow can lead to death. And he terrorizes
people, in the Net and in Real Life.
Do note: Hunger damages the brain tissue!
But Andrew Ben Hua Chung day for day bombs his shit into the Net. He terrorizes
persons who object him, by pulling off his insane religiot mumbo-jumbo.
Look at the state of various news-goups, including so important ones like
sci.med.cardiology
His mess he bombs simltaneously into
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.atheism
What the hell has alt.atheism to do with cardiology!?
Andrew Ben Hung Chung is a swine of a spammer. He copies the same shit uncounted
times as "reply" to objections against his shit.
What he does is by no means covered by "Free Speech".
He interferes public safety phones, this way violating the public safety rules.
He is a danger to public.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung terrorizes Netizens. Here is one more piece of proof:
<quote>
Path:
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From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD " <disc...@t3wij.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Mom passed away yesterday
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Debbie wrote:
> I've been sad since mom's death
> I haven't been able to sleep
> and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
Smarter to freely choose to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding
to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the
overeating that causes the VAT that leads to having type-2 diabetes.
Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
when she died of type-2 diabetes out of wilful disobediance.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
x--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
</quote>
3. "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
-------------------------------------------------------
http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med.cardiology/2007-01/msg00014.html
<quote>
"Andrew Ben-Hua Chung" and the Georgia medical board
From: "Tdub" <gripshift5@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 1 Jan 2007 18:13:38 -0800
By the manner of his participation in this forum "Andrew Ben-Hua Chung"
may have violated the following section 360-3-.02 of the Rules of the
Georgia Medical Board ("Unprofessional Conduct Defined"):
(6) Providing treatment and/or consultation recommendations via
electronic or other means unless the licensee has performed a history and
physical examination of the patient adequate to establish differential diagnoses
and identify underlying conditions and/or contra- indications to the treatment
recommended.
(13) Practicing medicine while mentally, physically, or chemically impaired.
(14) Failing to use such means as history, physical examination, laboratory, or
radiographic studies, when applicable, to diagnose a medical problem.
In addition, the Board may require Dr. Chung to get a psych evaluation:
360-3-.04 Mental or Physical Evaluations.
(1) The Board may, upon reasonable grounds, require a licensee or
applicant to submit to a mental or physical examination by a physician and/or
evaluation program approved by the Board. The costs of the evaluation are the
responsibility of the licensee or applicant.
TO FILE A COMPLAINT:
Here is a link to the complaint form (copy and paste address text as
needed into browser address bar+remove any blank spaces):
You will need this information to fill out the form:
License type: Medical Doctor
Name of licensee: Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
Address of licensee: 5701 Mableton Parkway 2B, MABLETON, GA 30126
The form can be sent to (or you can call to get a form or file a
complaint, etc.):
Composite State Board of Medical Examiners
Enforcement Unit
2 Peachtree Street, N.W., 36th Floor
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
PH: (404) 657-6487
FX: (404) 656-9723
</quote>
4. Bob Pastorio about Andrew Ben-Hua Chung
------------------------------------------
http://www.mombu.com/medicine/heart/t-just-something-for-many-of-you-to-think-about-1451523.html
<quote>
7th March 07:42
bob pastorio
Just something for many of you to think about.
----------------------------------------------
It is laughter. It is consuming, driving, uncontrollable mirth. It is
the reaction to one of the most ironic posts I've ever seen. It is the
laughter of confirmation. It is the laughter that comes when the full
truth about you is revealed after myriad of your efforts to try to
conceal it.
You're hilarious, Chung. And you don't even get it.
But this leads to a more serious subject. It's this: I've come to the
realization that you actually believe the stuff you write here. That
it's terribly important to you despite your declarations to the
contrary, that it's just usenet. That it's merely usenet and not to be
taken seriously. Your gratitude for the "opportunity to witness before
so many" or words to that effect present a sobering picture. You
actually believe that your proselytizing in these threads will yield
good result. You believe that your tactics are acceptable because
others will hear your promotion of your idea of Christianity.
You have the zealotry of the fanatic. The unassailable conviction that
you have an exclusive grasp on truth. That you are perfect in your
understanding and perfect in your belief and that any means to present
that to others is acceptable. Thus you have taken a rather low road
for what you see as a high purpose.
I'm bowing out of all this, Chung. Not because I think you right, but
because I see that I overestimated you. I didn't really want to
believe that you were simply a fundamentalist Christian zealot. I
thought that a scientific background would create in you a desire for
evidence and proof or at least a rigorous logical perspective. One can
be a believer and still be a conscientious scientist. I know many such
people. You don't seem to be that person.
Your 2PoundDiet may be useful for a few, but I doubt it could have any
wider utility. I think it's superficial and too limited for general
application. It admits of no impulse and none of the pleasure of
either the food or the social table. You've utterly ignored the
communion and secondary issues of the table that have nothing to do
with food in your formulation. The children of parents doing 2PD
seeing no pleasure in the moment or the offerings will grow to wish to
avoid the setting. Particularly in the culture they're part of,
whichever it is. Every culture on earth makes a big deal of community
eating for the fellowship and respite. You've taken that away and
turned it into a mere fuel stop. It flies in the face of eons or human
evolution as social creatures. I certainly don't hate it; I think it's
a trifle.
You try to peddle the pejorative description of me as chef. As though
it were somehow degrading to be one. It's honest labor and I'm pleased
with my experience in food service and how I've affected the lives of
hundreds of employees and hundreds of thousands of diners. I'm pleased
with my life before that as an international marketer with big and
little companies. That's neither here nor there for this note. Just
information.
Actually, at this stage of my life, I'm more a writer than chef. More
than 1000 pieces published in newspapers and magazines across the US.
Pieces in encyclopedia to come out next year. Web sites for many
clients. Facts, rational and likely conclusions, and let the chips
fall where they may. You don't work that way so we have little common
purpose.
Dealing with you has been an interesting study in the use of language.
I've watched you deliberately obscure meaning. Deliberately
misunderstand and mislead. Deliberately try to confuse and confound. I
thought these were merely tactics. I was wrong. These are your
lifeblood. These are your needs to prevent finding error in your
belief package. These methods are central to your need to protect what
you believe. My opinion is that they're profoundly unhealthy.
Obviously, you disagree or you wouldn't do it.
So here's the bottom line. I'm out of these threads with you. Barring
some egregious post from you, I'm not going to participate in these
little fiestas. I do think that the judgments you've shown in these
posts reflect poorly on you as a person and as a medical professional.
For you to throw around professional terminology like "differential
diagnosis" as a tool of argument is IMO a shabby stunt, particularly
when you know it to be a sham. So enjoy yourself with the other people
you're playing with. The floor is yours to do with as you wish.
I'm withdrawing from this confabulation. I suspect you'll do your
abnormal normal thing and hang your macro at the end. Have at it.
Pastorio
</quote>
5. verity about Chung
---------------------
On 03 May 2010 13:17:32 GMT, ver...@gefinden.com wrote:
<quote>
Truth:
The two pound diet,aka 2pd etc. is quack science. It has flaws of both
fact and logic. It was invented to fit a preexisting agenda and does
not flow from evidence based on research. The diet inventor has many
times been appraised of his flaws but clings to them for reasons other
then science or valid medical practice
All of this nonsense of measure by weight or volume comes from the
agenda fitting, not well established research. But sadly even the
agenda is based on misunderstood and misapplied information. Even when
corrected, the author of the agenda for nothing but pride and vain face
saving can not deal with that truth.
The weight part came from a failed knowledge of a particular verse in
scripture. When shown to be wrong, he promptly said he had been given a
new interpretation to set the record straight. And of course this new
information led where the agenda demands.
Bottom line, ignore any reference to the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.
and stick with established information and sources of expert authorities
which do not include the vanity of vanity distorting reality in this
case.
There is a larger problem then misinformation obvious to anyone familiar
with the inventor's posts.
May God bless and protect and heal.
</quote>
6. GreatSageItchy about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 04:52:44 -0700, GreatSageItchy <GreatSa...@null.com>
wrote:
<quote>
ANDREW B. CHUNG IS A TOTALLY EGOCENTRIC, TOTALLY ARROGANT, INSANE,
WHACK-JOB. HIS ATTRACTION TO RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY IS ENTIRELY THE
ATTRACTION OF OPPOSITES. ANDREW CHUNG WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
WHEN CAMELS FLY THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE, AND COWS FLY TO THE MOON.
CHUNG IS A COCKROACH INFESTATION AND DESTROYER OF USENET*. DO NOT FEED
COCKROACHES. (*See sci.med.cardiology)
BOTTOM LINE ON CHUNG: ALL EGO, NOTHING BUT EGO. PURE ARROGANCE.
TOTALLY UNREPENTENT ASSHOLE SPAMMER.
TAGS: Andrew B. Chung, WDJW, sci.med.cardiology, Emory University,
WDJW.net, 2PD-OMER Approach, total egoist, insane, internet creep,
usenet #1 asshole, certifiable sick asshole, human garbage, closet
homosexual, erectile dysfunction, MANBLA, young boys, molestation,
chikan, pervert, pedophile, extreme fundamentalist Christian asshole,
pseudo-christian, "Jesus is LORD" aka "EGO Christianity", psychopath,
totally arrogant spammer, usenet cockroach, stalker, satanic demon,
egomaniac, ladyboy, "chicks with dicks", "God loves fags", "Jesus is
LORD GOD KING BUFU".
Chung's Favorite Newsgroups:
alt.EGO-Christianity.Jesus.is.LORD.GOD.KING.BUFU
alt.prettyboy.loves-Jesus-and-cock
alt.ladyboyChung.sucks.cock.for.Jesus
alt.fuck.my.ladyboy.poosy
alt.bottom.bitch.for.Jesus
The sayings of Andrew B. Chung of Emory University:
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3). Can you say 'Jesus is LORD'? Can you also say 'Muhammad was a
goat-fucking son of SATAN?'
"This gentile Christian disciple reminds friends that the name 'Quran',
as translated from original Arabic, means: 'Goat-fucking for dummies' "
"It has been the observation of this bona-fide licensed physician that
negros are actually big monkeys with large sex organs."
"Death to the imperialist war-mongers of the Communist Party of China."
"Death to the fascist bandits and insects Hu Jintao, and his running
dogs, the Communist Party of China."
Death to the murderer Deng Xiaoping, of Hu Yaobang and Chinese freedom."
"Freedom for the people of Tibet - Long live the Dal
</quote>
7. What the criminal stalker Andrew Ben-Hua Chung writes in his web-site:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.heartmdphd.com/stalking.asp
<quote>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
Cyber-stalking.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/
Special Message to Visitors (and Cyber-stalkers)
As a web site like HeartMDPhD.com becomes more "famous," it was inevitable that
both the site and its author would become the target of harassment by those who
have become obsessed with either. This is cyber-stalking, it is a crime, and a
good discussion about it can be found by clicking here.
This has happened, but rather than ignore this criminal behavior, I feel it is
my civic responsibility to make the occurrence of such criminal behavior
publicly known here after reporting it to the proper authorities in order to
discourage it else others may fall victim to similar behavior by these and/or
other perpetrators. Crime is effective only when victims choose to fall silent.
You can find a partial list of those folks from whom I have received harassing
electronic messages by clicking here. Some of their handiwork can also be seen
in my guestbook. I have also posted sample email headers from these
cyber-stalkers in order to fully publicize their crimes.
Please know that I have forgiven these people for they know not what they are
doing.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional
love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1
Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
Sign Guestbook View Guestbook
Copyright © 1995-2009 by Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD. All Rights Reserved.
Atlanta, Georgia (United States of America) 404.699.2780
This page of the Atlanta Cardiology Web Portal was Last Updated on Tuesday,
October 20, 2009.
</quote>
Andrew Ben-Hua Chung does know very well about stalking, and about how criminal
it is. And, still, Andrew Ben-Hua Chung is one of the meanest and most
disgusting stalkers in the whole Net.
The attorneys of state in Atlanta have homework to do!
8. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-----------------------------------------
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <jimmy...@operamail.com>
wrote:
<quote>
From: Jimmy Alpha <jimmy...@operamail.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.messianic.yeshua,alt.christnet.theology
Subject: Re: Being mercifully kind (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing
***************************************************************************
body (anorexia) & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...
***************************************************************************
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:04:45 -0500
Message-ID: <hil5gd$s2u$1...@news.datemas.de>
Sightwalker pridefully said:
http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg
> Being mercifully kind
Fact #1, you are not being merciful when you call people liars without
clearly showing the lies.
> (WDJW) and praying for Jimmy's perishing body (anorexia)
Fact #2, as you have never seen my body you can only "perishing body"
perhaps as, "...appointed unto men once to die..." which would put your
body in the same class as you say you are praying for mine?
> & perishing mind (pathological lying) ...
Fact #3, you have as of yet shown a definitive lie, so the perishing
mind seems to be yours because of your delusions.
Fact #4, if you follow Christ charlie you'll never *hunger*, for it is
written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that
cometh to me shall never hunger..." Jno 6:35
Fact #5, we who have been reading your posts see you are at best using
the groups for self serving purposes, selling books and stroking your
ego, this is shown by the fact you cross post your quack science to the
religious groups, and your cult religion to the science groups.
Jimmy "telling the truth" Alpha
</quote>
9. Jimmy Alpha about Andrew Ben Hua Chung
-----------------------------------------
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:54:33 -0500, Jimmy Alpha <jimmy...@operamail.com>
wrote:
(emphasize added by me)
<quote>
sightwalker with a phd said:
http://musformation.com/SkinnyCat.jpg
> It is when we are in accord with a message of reconciliation that we
> become healthier (hungrier) than ever.
Andrew, follow Christ and you will relieve that chronic *hunger*, if in
fact it's true and not just more touting your many capitalistic
endeavors?
It is written: "And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of
********************************************
life: he that cometh to me shall *never* hunger..."
***************************************************
Jno 6:35
Jimmy Alpha
</quote>
Also note this:
>Le 2010-01-13 06:44, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD a écrit :
>> This gentile Christian disciple
>
>is happy to let his "lord" kill and torture these people :
>
>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=starvation&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
>
>Chung is diseased.
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p238/aslave2thegrind/famine.jpg
10. Facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
---------------------------------------------------------------
Here is the facts about the idiotic claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:52:25 -0800 (PST), Andrew <white...@gmail.com> wrote:
<quote>
6 Hostess Bear Claws weigh 30.0534oz and adds up to 3180 calories!
http://www.grocerycouponnetwork.com/foodproducts/products.php?Id=42132
30oz of Frozen Mixed Vegetables adds up to only 537 calories.
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-vegetables-mixed-i11584
However: according to Chung's 2PD-OMER: You'll lose more weight by
eating 2lbs of Hostess Bear Claws a day, than you will be eating 4lbs
of mixed vegetables a day. Right? NO, WRONG! - FAIL.
2PD-OMER = Epic FAIL.
</quote>
11. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung preaches hate-crime
and wants people to be killed.
---------------------------------------------------------
Endlessly repeating his insane shit, Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung's real target is
people to be murdered:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 04:00:12 -0500, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
>of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
>
>Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
>
>Andrew <><
One more example, 18.2.2011:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,
sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily WDJW Health Tip for 02/18/11
Message-ID: <4vnsl69vtcdav5tbu...@4ax.com>
X-Complaints-To: ab...@easynews.com
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:02:48 -0500
[...]
May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
</quote>
One more example, 19.2.2011:
<quote>
Subject: Re: WDJW status for 02/18/11 ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <eeca3280-9687-4b3b...@f2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
[...]
May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
</quote>
One more example, 8.4.2011:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,
alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Being blessed right now really is wonderful (Luke 6:21) ...
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <26ee3d54-6528-4609...@r14g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2591d6198130cf33?
May GOD annihilate all who like you who would anonymously propagandize
that "hunger is starvation" with fires from Heaven right now, in the
name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
[...]
</quote>
12. The deathlist of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:
over 260 people he wants to be killed
------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 20:50:55 -0800, Great Sage Itchy
<GSi...@itchyandscratchy.com> wrote:
>Chung already has his place in God's heavenly palace picked out. He
>will sit in the throne to the left of God, while "The Risen" "LORD"
>Jesus Christ sits on the right (because of His "victory"?).
And Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung already made a list of "convicts" which he wants
to be killed by god:
[Sample taken on February, 20th., 2011]
http://www.heartmdphd.com/convicts/
<quote>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
Good afternoon!
The purpose of this page is to list our dear friends
****************************************************
and neighbors who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit.
*********************************************************
They are at a crossroads in their life. They are in danger of becoming demons if
they unwisely choose to blaspheme HIM. Please pray for these folks. "It is my
heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to convict and my job to
love." -- Reverend Billy Graham
Philip
Madison (convicted 11/28/06 --> stricken 1/20/07)
Mark T.
"Panama Floyd" (convicted 10/24/06 --> stricken with HIV)
Al Klein
Denis Loubet
Cary Kittrell (convicted 10/27/06 --> stricken from birth)
David H. (aka "Big Dave")
Barry O'Grady
Kumar
"Olrik"
Peter J. Ross
Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 --> deceased 04/01/07)
Donna Kupp
Kate (aka "TigerLily")
Mike Painter
"Hatchetmama"
"Nemo"
"JessHC"
Jeff Utz
"Oldus Fartus"
"Köi-Lö"
"Odd Neighbor"
"Lost Soul"
Mike Gray
DKW
Frank Mayhar
Robibnikoff
"Chadwick Stone©"
"Ghod"
"Free Lunch"
"Yang"
"Provoker"
Tom "Tdub" Williams
"Em"
"Barbara's Cat"
"Raven1"
Kevin "Beav" Maxfield
"Azaliah" (aka Pastor Dave)
Don Kirkman (Convicted 12/22/06 --> Stricken with CAD in 1998)
BDK
Bill M.
Tony
Shawn Hirn
~Tanya
Ken Wood
"lestat"
JLS
"Jaguar"
"Owl"
"Flowerchild8245"
"Warren G. Harding"
Martin Phipps
Patrick Humphrey
"Scott Joyce"
"Satyr"
DaveJ
"Habshi"
"Ma¢k"
"Kilmer"
"Guy"
HD Lee
Chris Johnson
"Sherahdicus"
"Bungalow Steve"
"Text Medium No. 5"
"TransWench"
Harry
Peter van Velzen
Charles Dikkens
Aunt Martha
Syd Levine
GaryG (convicted 1/15/07 --> stricken 3/15/07)
James Hajicek
"old man joe"
Vernon
"jitter"
"Kadaitcha Man"
Roy Mock (r m)
Grandpa Chuck
Pete Stapleton
"Ernst Primer"
"Russell McDade"
"Blash"
"Jude+Alexander"
Steve O (convicted 1/28/07 --> stricken in 1967)
Terry Austin
Randy (aka Pulpitfire or ®andy)
Paul Duca
"BatGuy"
"SameAsB4"
Lars Eighner
"Doc Smartass"
"Zap"
James (bir...@allvantage.com)
Chris Johnson (again)
Stephen Anderson ( Zerubbabel )
"Parsifal"
"the_Host"
"platothelapdog"
M. Ranjit Mathews
Darrell Stec
Martin
"Mistylien"
Peter Aitken
"The Bookman"
"Widdershins"
Lew Bates
Frank Hildner
James R. Hunt (BlackDruid)
Sarah548
Susan
Diane Ball (The Operator)
Richard Periut
Paul L
Joseph Littleshoes
JZW
Paul D. Wright
"JoeSpareBedroom"
"New Jack Ruby"
"Barry"
George Chen
Lionel
"Gatekeeper"
"Hawki"
Hannele
BobD
"Cubit"
"Bud"
"towelie"
Johnnie McCoy
Andrew W.
"BubbaGump"
Glenn (servitum or owd)
Robert Weldon
Bill Dunkenfield
"the 14th disciple"
Gary
Robert Schuh
Chuck Stamford
Kevin
"Eskimo Joe"
"Bob Officer"
Bob Blaylock
Will, T2
Jay Levine
Kevin Bertsch
jim
Evelyn Ruut
Jeanne (Haggis)
Richard Catto
Kathy Claytor
Nico
Martha(MI)
ab...@hotmail.com
Vernono O
Michael F. Poellot
Loretta Eisenberg
George M. Carter
Shawn Hirn (again)
L.T. David
Cameron (runlikeanantelope)
Alan S.
Bill (Frisbee®)
John (Abrams1117)
Miz Daisy Cutter
Pete
Marten Kemp
Notan
Frank t2
TC
John Williamson
Joe Smith
theBeaver
Peter Larsen
Larry (ls...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu)
John P.
Rev. BR Collins
Geoff
Dale A. Solomonson
JHD
zxcvbob
CM
Thorsten Schier
Davybear
tatman
Ferd Farkel
Quentin Grady
Michelle Malkin
Mark Thorson
Steve Young
Cary Kittrell (again)
Helen Back
Don Kirkman (again)
Mike (em)
Julie Bove
L. Roberts
Doug Freese
Global Warming
Kathy Griffin (convicted 09/08/07 --> stricken 2003)
Kenneth Doyle
Percent(%)
Marsha
Juliet (WaCoder)
Elvira
Frank (listener)
Assime
Fester
Michael Vick
Aaron
GH
Peter Barber
Shearwater
Manatee
Susan (flav...@verizon.net)
Sami
Patsie Hatley
B'in'yamin C'r'amer
Dr. Phil
Doug
DarkSentinel
Small Giant
Kelly (Luv4Yisroel)
Fastmoggy
Rose
Chris Malcolm
Mystified One
DigitalMortal
Billy Colburn
Zob
John Williamson
Epicurus (Tervicz)
Studemania
Wendy Baker
Lurfys Maw
monkfish
weatherwax
Phobos
Fred Jones
Athena
Albert Andrascik
Lisa C (Blackrots)
Ted
Adonis
Mordecai
Douglas (Protoman)
Maggie
Stan-O
John Weatherly
Alan C.
John N.
Citizen Jimserac
Fred Thomas
Matt Parish
Pro-Humanist
Dan Listermann
Carole
Peter B.
Reverent Fear of GOD the Father.
Overturning the Conviction.
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</quote>
See this details:
<quote>
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</quote>
So, quite obvious, Satan Ben Hua Chung considers himself to be the Holy Spirit.
What next? Does he have a gun?
13. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud; he spits on the Ten Commandments
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is nothing but an insane liar. See here:
emorycardiology.com as checked on Feb, 12th., 2011:
<quote>
Tribute to Emory Cardiology
Good evening!
This is my personal tribute to an institution at the forefront in bringing about
new developments in the prevention and treatment of cardiovascular disease. As
these pathological entities become better understood in terms of molecular and
cellular biology, diagnostic, therapeutic, and preventative cardiology
approaches will change dramatically in coming years. I anticipate that the Emory
Division of Cardiology will remain at the cutting edge by recruiting and
retaining internationally recognized experts. Of particular note is their track
record in clinical cardiology established by Drs. R. Bruce Logue and J. Willis
Hurst; in interventional cardiology established by Dr. Andreas Gruentzig and as
led by Dr. John Douglas; and in vascular biology and medicine by the research
group established by Dr. R. Wayne Alexander in 1988.
More recently, Emory investigators have completed the landmark COURAGE Trial
under the leadership of Dr. Bill Weintraub that is certain to change the face of
cardiology in America. I will remain one of their biggest fans.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
***********************
Board-Certified Atlanta Cardiologist
Author of Be Hungry (now in its second printing!)
John 15:13 <><
</quote>
No one would be such an idiot to pay Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung 1 Million
Dollars AND TO LET CHUNG STILL HAVE HIS BULLSHIT ON THAT DOMAIN.
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung spits on the Ten Commandments.
14. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung tramps on dying patients and on dead patients.
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a swine. He tramps on dying patients and on dead
patients.
See here:
The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (Bob Pastorio)
Usernames and passwords are exclusively for folks involved in investigating Bob
Pastorio (past...@rica.net). Sign Guestbook · Guestbook by GuestWorld ...
www.heartmdphd.com/pastorio.asp - Cached
Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Pastorio died on April Fool's day as a ...
14 Apr 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio dying on April Fool's day is a sign from
GOD ... In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio: ...
heartmdphd.com/Love/TheTruth/ - Cached
The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (Libel)
30 Nov 2010 ... With malice presumably motivated by a personal hatred of the
2PD-OMER Approach published on this web site, Mr. Pastorio did willfully ...
www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp - Cached
"April 1st: National Atheist's Day." - sci.med.cardiology | Google ...
1 Apr 2007 ... dear Bob (this one) Pastorio, is taken from the world on this
day. ... Especially the family of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Bob/ - Cached
Walk Don't run - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
22 Dec 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio did not have long in retrospect: ... You
will soon know just as Pastorio now knows that indeed Jesus is GOD ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Fester/ - Cached
Please pray for the soul of dear convicted neighbor Don Kirkman ...
29 Oct 2007 ... Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob. Bob was also
pathologically untruthful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/DonKirkman/ - Cached
Ping: Dr. Daniel Palestrant, founder and CEO of Sermo. - sci.med ...
2 Dec 2007 ... reminding us of our dearly depart Bob (this one) Pastorio, who is
presently being eternally tormented in hell. ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForDon/ - Cached
Think About It - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
30 Oct 2007 ... They were cued up for our dearly departed Bob (this one)
Pastorio... http:// HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... who died inauspiciously on
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/CaryKittrell/ - Cached
Daily Spirit-guided thought for 12/20/07. - sci.med.cardiology ...
20 Dec 2007 ... Bob (this one) Pastorio, who was not hungry (therefore was not
being blessed by GOD) the days before his untimely demise inauspiciously on ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForFerd/ - Cached
HeartMDPhD.com - Atlanta Cardiology Information Portal
24 Oct 2006 ... Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 -->
deceased 04/01/07). Donna Kupp · Kate (aka "TigerLily") ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/ - Cached
Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: Hypothesis becomes Spiritual Law ...
3 Apr 2007 ... In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/ Convicts/Bob. As for knowing who are the very elect, ...
heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/Proof/ - Cached
Proof by LORD Almighty GOD: fulfilled prophecy. - sci.med ...
22 Nov 2007 ... "Bob Pastorio, you do not have much time left" -- Andrew, in the
Holy Spirit. Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement: ...
heartmdphd.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy/ - Cached
2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 - sci.med.cardiology | Google Groups
11 Jan 2011 ... The same way I knew that our dearly departed Bob (this one)
Pastorio > did not have much time left. Then that is EVIL of you to tell me "You
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/CrazyFour/ - Cached
Please pray for the endangered soul of dear convicted neighbor ...
21 Dec 2007 ... You remind me of our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio
because you do not have much longer either: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/
...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/PrayForRobert/ - Cached
HeartMDPhD.com - Atlanta Cardiology Information Portal
Bob Pastorio (convicted 10/30/06 --> stricken 12/24/06 --> deceased 04/01/07).
Donna Kupp · Kate (aka "TigerLily") · Mike Painter · "Hatchetmama" ...
heartmdphd.com/convicts/ - Cached
Proof of LORD Almighty GOD: The truth prevails and remains ...
2 Apr 2007 ... neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts. In memory of our
dearly departed Bob( this one) Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ...
heartmdphd.com/Convicts/Frank/ - Cached
The HeartMDPhD.com Cardiology Web Site (History Behind the 2PD ...
Bob Pastorio (was a retired chef who hated the 2PD-OMER Approach) "I think it's
perfectly well scientifically substantiated, based on a reasonable ...
www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp - Cached - Simhed
15. Dr. Hildner's letter to Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
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<quote>
Reply-To: "Peter B" <.@.>
From: "Peter B" <.@.>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Dr. Hildner's letter to Dr. AB Chung, original no comments of mine.
Chung can not delete.
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:06:17 -0700
Lines: 3
Message-ID: <4c7aafaa$3...@news.x-privat.org>
Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.
After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.
Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
more.
Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?
Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
your colleagues.
Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.
Frank Hildner MD
f...@orgren.org
</quote>
16. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung lies IN PUBLIC *IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZABLE*
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One example:
<quote>
Subject: Re: WDJW status for 02/18/11 ...
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 01:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <eeca3280-9687-4b3b...@f2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>
[...]
> The Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty stricken
> places in the world ...
Lie.
Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry. Moreover, the
propaganda campaign is the most intense in the United States funded by
government money with a government web site in a country where there
is an obesity epidemic instead of famine:
</quote>
17. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is a fraud: his domains are forgeries
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Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung claims to have sold the domain
for 1 Million Dollar. But fact is: the text is framed:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Tribute to Emory Cardiology </title>
</head>
<frameset rows="100%,*" border="0">
<frame src="http://tinyurl.com/a4dwl" frameborder="0" />
************************************************************
<frame frameborder="0" noresize />
</frameset>
<!-- pageok -->
<!-- 04 -->
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</html>
This shortened link of above
expands to :
,which is nothing but a subdirectory on Satan Ben Hua Chung web-space.
18. How did Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung forge all his medical exams?
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A) Example 1:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Patiently praying here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:56:05 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <ce5eb41a-7a2a-47d8...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com>
[...]
Moreover, the fact that babies are born hungry with empty stomachs
**and** functioning brains is absolute scientific proof that hunger
does not destroy brain cells but rather promotes their rapid growth as
evident by what happens in utero.
</quote>
This is Great Sage Itchy's comment on this damned stupid statement:
"Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical cord
and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High School
knows. You show almost NO real medical knowledge. You have no
experience to speak of. How you were able to fool Emory U. and get
through medical school is a mystery. They must have known you were not
right in the head. I'm guessing that they were afraid to throw you out,
as they should have, because of your religious fanaticism, and possible
backlash from far-right religious elements in the community.
Every word you type in these groups is a lie. Everything about you is a
LIE. You are a disturbed creep, and a dangerous and evil person."
B) Example 2:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.bible.prophecy,misc.health.diabetes,alt.support.diabetes
Subject: Wonderfully hungrier ...
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:11:02 -0500
Message-ID: <ifnsm65p451pt4bgn...@4ax.com>
Actually, hunger for real food is simply a desire to eat real food
that is verified by the ability to eat real food and may be
accompanied by stomach sounds that allow others to verify the desire
to eat real food even **before** the eating happens.
</quote>
How on earth did Satan Ben Hua Chung pass his medical exams? It seems more and
more that he forged his exams.
How on earth can a medical chamber sit silent on their behinds in regard of such
an insane criminal like satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung as a member in their lines!?
19. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung so drunk that he even mixes up breastfeeding
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and foetus nouriture via umbilical cord
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<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.diabetes,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.prayer
Subject: Patiently praying a 31st time here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 10:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <125225c3-26de-4955...@w7g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
> Babies are nourished by the mothers blood through the umbilical cord
> and placenta, as anyone who has taken first year biology in High School
> knows.
Correct.
This does mean that their being hungry as evident by their being able
to take to the breast does not mean they are starving for they have
indeed been getting adequate nutrition parenterally via the maternal
circulation.
</quote>
How can a person so damned stupid as Satan Ben Hua Chung still be a member of
the medical chamber?
20. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung libels and defames Dr. Frank Hildner
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> tried to threaten me. He wrote:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.prayer
Subject: Patiently praying a 4th time here for Aribert's perishing soul ...
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Message-ID: <81199525-fa52-4fc6...@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
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[...]
Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death list so they
would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to the U.S. to
be charged with libel & defamation:
</quote>
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung in public libeled and defamed Dr. Hildner.
See here: 3 of the postings I found:
A)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2cf6d53ca48f5c64?dmode=source
B)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51217
C)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee7cfaf1e5a51f6c?dmode=source
D)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51159
The details:
A)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2cf6d53ca48f5c64?dmode=source
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife,sci.med.cardiology,alt.atheism
Subject: Walking with Christ Jesus leads to a more abundant life on earth.
Date: 20 Jul 2006 20:01:06 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
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Message-ID: <1153450866.9...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
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John wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:31:52 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
> <spamsu...@google.com> wrote:
>
> >"Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> >news:zlDvg.174619$F_3....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
> >
> >> Hawkeye-X wrote:
> >>> I have spoken with his colleague, and I have discovered that Andrew B.
> >>> Chung was fired in Florida for CAUSE.
> >>>
> >>> Chungy, what do you think Dr. Hildner said about you?
> >>>
> >>> I'd love to hear it.
> >>>
> >>> DO NOT TRY TO DENY IT!
> >>>
> >>> Hawkeye-X
> >>
> >> For a doctor to speak badly about another doctor is a pretty rare thing
> >> and usually implies something beyond gross incompetence.
> >
> >In my experience, gross incompetence is enough to do it.
>
> Yes, Dr. Hildner may be grossly incompetent. After all, he struck
> first - and against a newbie. Probably felt threatened by the new
> guy's training and knowledge. Somebody more secure in their
> leadership role would probably have spent a little more time
> attempting to mentor rather than what he did. I know, I my leadership
> roles, I've had to mentor some of the new graduates for quite a while
> before being able to turn them loose to create on their own.
It was impossible for Dr. Hildner to have any leadership role when he
no longer had a physical presence at the workplace because he no longer
had an office. As I helped him carry out one the boxes of his desk
items to his car in 2001, there was a woodcarved desksign with his name
on it. One of the CFHC staff shared his story of how there was once a
snake that got into the office and the woodcarving was used to beat the
snake to death. Dr. Hildner had stopped seeing patients and performing
procedures **prior** to my starting at CFHC in 2001.
May our LORD's peace remain with you, dear brother.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
B)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51217
<quote>
04-24-2007, 03:22 AM
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Guest
Re: Truth frightens the untruthful.
Mike Painter wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mike Painter wrote:
> >> Hawkeye-X wrote:
> >>> I have spoken with his colleague, and I have discovered that Andrew
> >>> B. Chung was fired in Florida for CAUSE.
> >>>
> >>> Chungy, what do you think Dr. Hildner said about you?
> >>>
> >>> I'd love to hear it.
> >>>
> >>> DO NOT TRY TO DENY IT!
> >>>
> >>> Hawkeye-X
> >>
> >> For a doctor to speak badly about another doctor is a pretty rare
> >> thing and usually implies something beyond gross incompetence.
> >
> > He is frightened. If he weren't, he would put it down in writing by
> > showing up here.
>
> I've been around the medical world for a long time and know that not having
> privileges means you are a very, very poor doctor.
Dr. Frank Hildner apparently lost his privileges at Miami hospitals
because his poor patronizing bedside manner led to many lawsuits
against him and not just because of his incompetence at identifying
non-occlusive coronary disease. Yes, he subsequently moved his
practice from Dade County to Ocala.
Still praying for him and for you, dear Mike.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
C)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ee7cfaf1e5a51f6c?dmode=source
sci.med.cardiology
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: Prepare the way for the LORD...
Date: 14 Jul 2006 12:38:24 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Message-ID: <1152905904.9...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>
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percy wrote:
> Hawkeye-X wrote:
>
> > On 13 Jul 2006 20:43:59 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> > <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hawkeye-X wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:49:41 -0600, John <john9212...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:40:54 -0600, Hawkeye-X
> >>>><hawkeyex-n...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have in my hand an official complaint form from Georgia Board of
> >>>>>Medical License.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Care to shut up now before I mail it in? You have 24 hours.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Here is a sample letter:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>08/04
> >>>>>COMPLAINT FORM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Person(s) Requesting Investigation Person To Be Investigated
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>Name Physician's Full Name (First and Last)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>Address Physician's Address
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>______________________________________
> >>>>>Phone Number Physician's Phone Number
> >>>>>
> >>>>>(Give a brief statement of the facts with dates. Use additional
> >>>>>sheets as necessary with copies of relevant documents. PLEASE SEND
> >>>>>COPIES ONLY. MATERIALS WILL NOT BE RETURNED.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>PATIENT'S FULL NAME: _______________________________________________
> >>>>>(It would be helpful if you could include the patient's date of birth
> >>>>>and Social Security number.)
> >>>>>DATE OF BIRTH ____________________ SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
> >>>>>_____________________
> >>>>
> >>>>Gee, I wonder whose name you're going to put in under "Patient's full
> >>>>name". You're not his patient, are you? You're not going to lie, are
> >>>>you? So you have to leave it blank. I wonder what bin they'll file
> >>>>it into?
> >>>>
> >>>>Blessings,
> >>>>John
> >>>
> >>>I'll say John Doe.
> >>
> >>That'll go over real well.
> >>
> >>
> >>>They're not going to bin it after I send them
> >>>copies of Chungboi's rantings. They'll be FORCED to look at it
> >>>thoroughly.
> >>
> >>You are forgetting that Georgia is in the middle of the Bible belt.
> >>The vast majority of folks around here especially the doctors are
> >>born-again Christians.
> >>
> >>Still praying for you, dear neighbor.
> >>
> >>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >>Andrew B. Chung
> >>Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> >>http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
> >
> >
> > 12 Hours now. Will you shut your fat mouth? A John Doe has probably
> > seen you and will testify against you. And it does not have to be a
> > patient, btw, it just has to be a person that has been monitoring you
> > for a couple of months, and that's me. You have ranted and spouted the
> > word of Jesus too much, and i don't give a shit if Georgia is in the
> > middle of a Satan belt, you are guilty of a conduct unbecoming your
> > profession, and I know a lot of cardiologists here in my city that
> > will agree with me.
> >
> > You have 10pm your time to either put up or shut up.
> >
> > Hawkeye-X
>
> You may want to cc a copy of your package to Dr. Hildner at the Central
> Florida Heart Institute, the place where chung was fired from (after 88
> days).
Actually, Dr. Hilder was replaced by me as he was retired back in 2001
after having to settle for several sizeable malpractice awards. He
still can use the cc to perhaps motivate him to lose some weight. He
has a lot of visceral adiposity. It is my wish that he not suffer from
further CV events.
> Just to keep him informed. I'm sure an email address for the above
> institution won't be hard to find.
His email address used to be rocket...@aol.com
Still praying for him and for you, dear Vicki.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
D)
http://www.disease-treatment.com/showthread.php?t=51159
<quote>
04-24-2007, 02:13 AM #47
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Re: Prepare the way for the LORD...
Don Kirkman wrote:
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> article <1153010767....@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>:
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
> >> article <1152982278.5...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups .com>:
> >> >Hawki wrote:
> >> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1152916919.4...@m79g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> >> how dumb do you think the readers are??
>
> >> >You are pretty clueless if you don't know what it means when a younger
> >> >doctor helps another considerably older, slower, and visually impaired
> >> >doctor clear out his office and subsequently settles into this office
> >> >space which has the name plate of the new younger doctor replacing the
> >> >one of the older doctor.
>
> >> It usually means the senior doctor is being moved to a better office,
> >> making room for the youngster who otherwise might have to operate out of
> >> a broom closet.
>
> >I helped the retired doctor move his belongings to his car.
>
> There are only two possible explanations: "the retired doctor" was not
> Dr. Hildner (who was still there after you were terminated) or you are
> lying. Which one do you choose?
The truth.
I know Dr. Hildner to be a retired physician who stopped seeing
patients back in 2001 even if he might still be receiving mail at CFHC
as one of the founding shareholders thereby justifying his still being
listed on their web site.
Still praying for you, dear Don.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
</quote>
E)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/36a002ca903b999a?dmode=source
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.support.diet.low-carb,
alt.atheism,alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: IM ASKING FOR DONATIONS FOR HEART SURGERY
Date: 15 Oct 2006 05:45:45 -0700
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> >>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>>>> Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
> >>>>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>>>>>> Al Klein wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Revocation would be permanently recorded as such and not as
> >>>>>>>>> "null and void" in the online Florida Medical Board database:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00profiling/searchform.asp?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nor would it be marked "null and void" if they still considered
> >>>>>>>> you qualified to practice medicine.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actually, it would be marked "null and void" only if the reason
> >>>>>>> is just the physician electing not to pay the licensing fees.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From the web site:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "NULL AND VOID - the licensed practitioner failed to renew their
> >>>>>>> licensure status for two renewal cycles, resulting in their
> >>>>>>> license expiring. Practitioner no longer obligated to update
> >>>>>>> his/her profile data."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... as compared to ...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "REVOKED - the licensing board or department disciplined the
> >>>>>>> licensed practitioner and his/her license was removed. The
> >>>>>>> practitioner is not authorized to practice in the state of
> >>>>>>> Florida. The practitioner is not obligated to update his/her
> >>>>>>> profile data."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> )Being asked to surrender your
> >>>>>>>> license is just a polite fiction for "revoked".)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Such a license would be marked as such. See above.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unless a deal was made that you would not renew your license in
> >>>>>> exchange for not having it revoked.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is not an uncommon practice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hopefully, you realize that being untruthful here means you just
> >>>>> libeled the entire Florida Medical Board which is comprised of
> >>>>> various folks who have dedicated their lives to law enforcement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Once again, I assert that it is possible you made a deal not to
> >>>> renew your license in exchange for not having to go through the
> >>>> process that would lead to its revocation.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I said, it's a not uncommon practice, and there's nothing
> >>>> libelous about discussing it. The medical board does it, the state
> >>>> bar does it, even the FAA does it. Those three are the limit of my
> >>>> seen-it-with-my-own-two-eyes experience; but, as a matter of fact,
> >>>> I understand it is routinely done in other fields as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> The question is, is that what happened to you?
> >>>
> >>> No.
> >>>
> >>> The Florida Medical Board were sympathetic because my employers
> >>> have a history with them that is consistent with what they had
> >>> angrily posted on-line via the HeartMDPhD.com web site that is now
> >>> also archived in Google:
> >>>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7bca75138f2a601?
> >>>
> >>> So, instead, I received written reminders to renew my license during
> >>> the year before it lapsed.
> >>
> >> Was your license to practice ever suspended in the State of Florida?
> >
> > Thankfully, no.
>
> Did you ever enter into any kind of agreement regarding your license or
> about your freedom to practice in the state of Florida.
Thankfully, no. Laus Deo !
Again, there was no need because the truth always prevails.
HE is invincible.
> > Nor was there ever the possibility because it remains my choice to
> > continue to side with the truth against my former employers.
> >
> > The truth always prevails. HE is invincible.
> >
> > Laus Deo !
> >
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > Amen !
> >
> > Laus Deo ! !
> >
> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >
> >> Are you currently practicing medicine?
> >
> > Thankfully, yes...
> >
> > ... without pause since being licensed to practice in Georgia in 1995.
> >
> > Specifically, I continue to serve people in my community as a
> > cardiologist.
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
>
> That's not what I asked you, Chung.
You received extra information after your question was answered.
> I asked you if you're currently practicing medicine.
And I answered your question.
> Let me be more specific. Do you have a clinical cardiology practice with
> regular hours, regular staff, regular patients?
Thankfully, yes. Laus Deo !
> Or is everything you do centered around the Wellness Foundation and that
> moronic diet of yours?
Everything I do is centered around LORD Jesus Christ.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> > Laus Deo !
> >
> > GOD is great !
> >
> > Holy is HIS name !
> >
> > Worthy to be praised !
> >
> >> Do you have admitting priviledges in any Georgia hospital?
> >
> > Thankfully, my patients have the freedom to receive in-patient care
> > from any hospital of their choosing in the Atlanta metropolitan area.
> > None have ever been denied such in-patient care when they have needed
> > it albeit the need has been rare for any one given patient per GOD's
> > infinite will. Laus Deo !
>
> No hospital privileges for you, eh, Chung?
Incorrect. Your leading question is consistent with our earlier
observation that you have been untruthful (see below) and with your
intent to deceive.
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b1957ab18d3c93f1?
> >
> >> I read your cv, and it does not appear that you have practiced
> >> medicine in a clinical setting since leaving Ocala.
> >
> > In truth, my CV does not describe Ocala.
> >
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ac_cv1.asp
>
> I wasn't asking about Ocala, but now that you mention it...
Correct. You made the statement above that you read about my history
"since leaving Ocala" in my CV.
> I lived in DeLand until last March, Chung. I worked for an old,
> respected law practice there.
Did you leave because they found you to be untruthful as we observe you
here ?
> I know some attorneys in Ocala. In case you're wondering, just to
> satisfy my own curiosity, I do plan to ask what they know about you.
You would be wiser to ask them about what they know about Dr. Frank
Hildner because he has been in more legal trouble requiring much more
legal defense-work (reason for his moving from Miami to Ocala to
retire) than I have:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7bca75138f2a601?
Printing out Dr. Hilder's message should serve well to jog the memories
of your Ocala attorney friends because it created quite a public outcry
back in 2001 with Ocalans picketing CFHC.
> > Bottomline: You are untruthful.
> >
> > If your intent was to deceive, you are by definition a liar.
> >
> > GOD knows what is in your heart and will judge you accordingly.
> >
> > Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> I have borne no false witness. I have asked questions, and I have stated
> some facts.
>
> Where's the false witness in that?
See above.
> >>>>> May GOD keep you heart beating to give you time to understand
> >>>>> this, dear neighbor Rhonda whom I love unconditionally.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't let it concern you. My heart is beating just fine.
> >>>
> >>> That was what Steve Irwin thought up until the last moment:
> >>>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a594498b8fefec9b?
> >>
> >> Everyone dies. Some sooner, some later.
> >
> > Those who have placed their faith in LORD Jesus Christ thereby
> > receiving GOD's love into their heart possess eternal life and will
> > never taste death.
> >
> >>> Again, may GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time
> >>> to understand all of this, dear neighbor Rhona whom I love
> >>> unconditionally.
> >>
> >> As I said, my heart is fine, and when it's my time to go, I will go,
> >> regardless of your prayers or lack thereof.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to pray on your behalf.
>
> And it remains mine to laugh at you.
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> Here's a newsflash, Chung: I had you in my killfile, and you continued
> to morph.
My handle has not changed.
> Bad idea.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Rhonda whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
</quote>
21. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung fakes a medical study
New facts ahout the damages he caused to patients
----------------------------------------------------
In his (now) latest idiocy Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung claims having done a study
with - oh, read it word for word:
<quote>
a clinical study held out of Emory University that
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enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide.
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</quote>
How big an idiot can someone be to make that claim, which is so stupid that
everyone can realize the idiocy immediately?
Here are the 2 passages of the posting:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,
sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: *Praying here for Ace's deluded reprobate mind ...
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <dfebd267-5ec9-4d88...@x10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>
[...]
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> For which there is no clinical study.
Actually, there has been a clinical study held out of Emory University
that enrolled hundreds of thousands of people worldwide. It remains
this physician's choice to not publish it since it pales in comparison
to the comparably sized but much longer duration 40 year clinical
study by the Great Physician, Who is this physician's Boss, Who
published this in the Bible with the miraculous results of 100%
efficacy (Deuteronomy 8:4). This choice to not publish results that do
not add to what is reported in the Bible would be this lead
investigator's right. Truth is simply reality.
[...]
> > The smartest way to do this is http://WDJW.net/NotDiet (i.e.
> > restricting food choices) but rather to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of real food.
>
> Which is apparently not endorsed by any other physician ...
Lie.
This physician's LORD, Who is the Great Physician, is another
physician and the concept of one right daily amount (omer) for
everyone is by His design as revealed by what is written at Exodus
16:16. Laus Deo for His allowing this physician working in
collaboration with his physician colleagues at Emory University
( http://EmoryIMVC.org ) to discover in 1997 that an omer of real food
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weighs 32 oz. All bona-fide physicians who know about the 32 oz of the
*************
http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach have given their tacit approval
about it as evident by none either writing or speaking about an
alternative right daily amount of real food.
</quote>
The part which I underligned means that already in 1997 Satan Andrew Ben Hua
Chung was in religious delirium. That is extremely important because it shows
the incidents, which happened 2001 at the "Central Florida Heart Center"
Central Florida Heart Center
3310 Sw 34th Street
Ocala, FL 34474
(that is FOUR YEARS LATER after 1977), in a new light. It shows that what Satan
Andrew Ben Hua Chung committed at the clinic ALREADY was driven by insanity. So,
the damage, which Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung did to the patients there, was not
caused by some medical misinterpretation, but instead by an extremely strong
WILL to do things accordings to his idiotic religious bullshit.
I strongly advise all patients of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
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to sue him to death.
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23. The case of "Cygnus Consultants", a camouflage of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is one piece more about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:
http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/
<quote>
Cygnus Portfolio
* The Bandy Family
* CARDIOware '97
* C.T.'s 95th Birthday
* Emory Cardiology
* For Birds Only
* Go Red Health Fairs
* Island Paradise
* South Cobb Lions Club
* The Wellness Foundation, Inc.
* Wild at Heart Men's Ministry
Cygnus is a registered First Virtual merchant.
Write Us!
sup...@cygnusconsultants.com
Copyright © 1996-2010
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
</quote>
http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/
is a redirector to
http://www.heartmdphd.com/cygnusmed/
So it is no wonder that the domain is hidden:
<quote>
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
Domain Name: CYGNUSCONSULTANTS.COM
Domain servers in listed order:
NS13.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS14.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
</quote>
Back in 2005 a Usenet posting (Don Kirkman - 13 Jun 2005 19:56 GMT) reveiled:
<quote>
>http://www.TheHealthFair.com
Registrant:
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
*************************************
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: THEHEALTHFAIR.COM
Created on: 26-Apr-05
Expires on: 26-Apr-06
Last Updated on: 26-Apr-05
Administrative Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
(404) 699-2780 Fax -- (404) 699-2145
Technical Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
(404) 699-2780 Fax -- (404) 699-2145
The Wellness Foundation:
Registrant:
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: THEWELLNESSFOUNDATION.COM
Created on: 21-Nov-03
Expires on: 21-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 23-Aug-04
Administrative Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
4046992780 Fax -- 4046992145
Technical Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
4046992780 Fax -- 4046992145
Truth sometimes IS simple.
</quote>
"Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.", as it still is.
http://www.heartmdphd.com/cygnusmed/
<quote>
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
Workshops for a Better Work Environment
(404) 699-8695
email: sup...@cygnusconsultants.com
General Information
Cygnus is a privately-held corporation that provides consultation services in
the interest of helping others.
Menu of Consultation Services
* Better Health Workshops - We teach your employees how to become healthier
so that they become more productive with less illness and disability. Fees for
this on-site workshop start at $300.
* Pan-Flu Preparedness Workshops - We prepare your employees for what
experts believe to be an inevitable catastrophic event that could otherwise
destroy your business if your employees are not prepared. Fees for this on-site
workshop start at $300.
* Cygnus Portfolio - some of our work where we have helped others set up
their web pages.
* Select - some links.
Write Us!
Copyright © 1996-2010
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
</quote>
So Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is offering "better health workshops", but how!?
Someone, like Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung, who FOR YEARS now gives false medical
advice, is totally incapable of giving REAL medical advice. He is a danger to
the public.
The following, I guess, are supporters for him, and are guilty for his occuring
in public:
http://www.seravia.com/corporation/georgia/tesseract-communications-inc-1lalwwrvgr
<quote>
TESSERACT COMMUNICATIONS, INC.Company Record
TESSERACT COMMUNICATIONS, INC.
Georgia Company Filing #0456078
Basic Data
Entity Type Profit Corporation
Formation Date Sep 15, 2004
Status Active/compliance
Entity Number 0456078
Home Jurisdiction Georgia
Principal Address 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
Registered Agents
E-LEE CHANG 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
People
Name Position Address
E-LEE CHANG Secretary 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
E-LEE CHANG CFO 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
E-LEE CHANG CEO 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
Global Company Records
</quote>
24. The insane claims of Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung
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The medical claims made by Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung are rightout insane. Here
is one of the many pieces of proof for that:
On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:20:34 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: Re: Chips, Fries, Soda (and Red Meat) Most to Blame for Long-Term
Weight Gain
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:20:34 -0700 (PDT)
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Kumar wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > snip> > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> > > > > > > deleterious.
> >
> snip> > > > > Moreover, when there is no VAT, the GI tract is
> healthier to keep
> > > > > > exogenous AGEs from getting into the parenteral circulation.
> >
> > > > > How it can be possible?
> >
> > > > Matthew 19:26
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> >
> > > > > Whether VAT are like brown fat?
> >
> > > > No.
> >
> > > > > Whether VAT burning provide heat ?
> >
> > > > No.
> >
> > > No doubt that eating right amount can decrease VAT but still, Are
> > > there some healing agents which can decrease VAT?
> >
> > Not while there is overeating.
> >
> > > Many people vwho are overeating but do not develop VAT but become
> > > obese due to SAT whearas others can develop VAT. How such difference
> > > occur?
> >
> > VAT, which includes intra-arterial atherosclerotic plaques, is a
> > consequence of overeating for all as evident by the presence of fatty
> > streaks in young soldiers on autopsy during wartime.
>
> Whether VAT accumulation is intra-arterial or outer-arterial?
Visceral.
> Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
> increase AGEs?
Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
*********************************************
> Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
No.
</quote>
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is solely fixated to the weight, see his "right daily
amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds."
"irrespective of kinds", that is so insane that one must call the medical
chambers which still have Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung as a member, to be as
criminal as he is. How on earth can a medical chamber accept such an insanity as
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is!?
And, do keep in mind: Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be erased from
the planet.
Yes, he means killed. Yes, he means death.
==========================================
See here:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: The wages of sin is death ...
#############################
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <e31f34bd-64d5-4f9e...@n5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
******************************************************************
from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
************
</quote>
25. Satan Sndrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to die
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to be erased from the planet
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to die. Yes, no doubt, Satan Andrew Ben
Hua Chung wants people to be erased from the planet.
See here:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD " <disc...@t3wij.net>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Mom passed away yesterday
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 05:09:20 -0700
Message-ID: <iupm5b$2g2$2...@dont-email.me>
Debbie wrote:
> I've been sad since mom's death
> I haven't been able to sleep
> and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
Smarter to freely choose to http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding
to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby stopping the
overeating that causes the VAT that leads to having type-2 diabetes.
Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
when she died of type-2 diabetes out of wilful disobediance.
</quote>
And there is no doubt: Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung wants people to die.
See for yourself:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.prayer
Subject: Re: Mom passed away yesterday
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:07:11 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <77a2ad5c-feb2-4334...@m18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>
May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
</quote>
DO NOTE: Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung does mean death!
-----------------------------------------------------
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: The wages of sin is death ...
#########################################
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 18:25:28 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <e31f34bd-64d5-4f9e...@n5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
******************************************************************
from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
************
</quote>
26. Satan Ben Hua Chung is an aggressive stalker and criminal
-------------------------------------------------------------
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Optimizing systolic bp in diabetics
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <2bbdcdc7-313f-4864...@e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: e21g2000vbz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.166.29.78;
Susan wrote:
>
> This is more in line with the finding of no benefit of treatment to
> below 140/90...
>
> http://www.theheart.org/article/1234025.do?utm_campaign=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=20110602_EN_Heartwire
>
> "Their meta-analysis supports the conclusions of the Action to Control
> Cardiovascular Risk in Diabetes (ACCORD) blood-pressure trial published
> last year [2], which compared systolic BP of <140 mm Hg vs <120 mm Hg
> and found no benefits from the aggressive target other than reduced
> stroke risk, Bangalore added. "I don't think we should be very
> aggressive in trying to get these patients as low as possible," he said."
Instead, we should be very aggressive at getting these patients to
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://WDJW.net/Guard the body by holding to the right daily amount
(32 oz) of food thereby stopping the overeating that caused their
type-2 diabetes in the first place.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
</quote>
27. Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung thrown out of First Baptist Church of Woodstock
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung uploads videos to YouTube.com. One of them was
harvested as a piece of evidence and stored in the files archive of
http://www.transgallaxys.com
http://www.transgallaxys.com/~aktenschrank/religioeser_wahnsinn_im_krieg_gegen_kranke/
CHUNG_message_machine_1.flv
This is the transcript of what the man on the phone says to Satan Andrew Ben Hua
Chung:
<quote>
Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I'm the director of security at First
Baptist Church Woodstock. Andrew, I need to inform you that you're not allowed
to come back to our campus. I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't
want you to come back, okay? That's the decision we're making today. And you
need to know if you do come back, we'll remove you from the property and beyond
that, if you come back, I will call the police. Andrew, lets allow this to end
peacefully. Allow it to end right now. Thank you and have a good day.
</quote>
28. Studies about hunger and brain shrinkage
--------------------------------------------
Hunger kills braincells!
*************************
Scientific studies about hunger and braincells show that. They were made in
Germany in about 2001/2002/2003. They are FACTS. And there are studies in the
USA. THEY ARE FACTS.
There are studies about hunger and brain shrinkage. Like this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9754441
<quote>
Psychiatry Res. 1998 Jun 30;82(3):171-9.
Proton magnetic resonance spectroscopy in acute, juvenile anorexia nervosa.
Schlemmer HP, Möckel R, Marcus A, Hentschel F, Göpel C, Becker G, Köpke J,
Gückel F, Schmidt MH, Georgi M.
Institute for Clinical Radiology Mannheim, Faculty of Medicine, University of
Heidelberg, Germany. h.sch...@dkfz-heidelberg.de
Abstract
Anorexia nervosa is usually associated with a shrinkage of the brain that is at
least partially reversible with weight gain. The pathogenesis of this brain
abnormality is unclear. The purpose of this study was to investigate potential
alterations in localized proton magnetic resonance (1H MR) spectra of anorectic
patients immediately after an interval of excessive weight loss. Twelve patients
and seventeen control subjects were examined. Water suppressed 1H MR spectra
were recorded from two voxels placed in the thalamus and in the
parieto-occipital white matter. The spectra of ten patients could be evaluated.
Comparing patients and control subjects, significantly higher signal intensity
ratios of choline containing compounds (Cho) relative to total creatine (Cr) as
well as significantly lower ratios of N-acetyl-aspartate (NAA) relative to Cho
were found in the white matter region. We hypothesize that these results
indicate an abnormal starvation, associated membrane turnover, which
predominantly takes place in the white matter. No evidence for neuronal
degeneration was found in the thalamus or in the white matter region.
PMID: 9754441 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
</quote>
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/eat.20840/abstract
<quote>
Brain tissue volume changes following weight gain in adults with anorexia
nervosa
Christina A. Roberto MS1,2,*, Laurel E. S. Mayer MD3, Adam M. Brickman PhD4,
Anna Barnes PhD5, Jordan Muraskin BA4, Lok-Kin Yeung BA4, Jason Steffener PhD4,
Melissa Sy BA, Joy Hirsch PhD, Yaakov Stern PhD4, B. Timothy Walsh MD3
Article first published online: 19 MAY 2010
DOI: 10.1002/eat.20840
Abstract
Objective:
To measure brain volume deficits among underweight patients with anorexia
nervosa (AN) compared to control participants and evaluate the reversibility of
these deficits with short-term weight restoration.
Method:
Brain volume changes in gray matter (GM), white matter (WM), and cerebrospinal
fluid (CSF) were examined in 32 adult women with AN and compared to 21, age and
body mass index-range matched control women.
Results:
Patients with AN had a significant increase in GM (p = .006, ?2 = 0.14)
and WM volume (p = .001, ?2 = 0.19) following weight restoration.
Patients on average had lower levels of GM at low weight (647.63 ± 62.07 ml)
compared to controls (679.93 ± 53.31 ml), which increased with weight
restoration (662.64 ± 69.71 ml), but did not fully normalize.
****************************
Discussion:
This study suggests that underweight adult patients with AN have reduced GM and
WM volumes that increase with short-term weight restoration. © 2010 by Wiley
Periodicals, Inc. Int J Eat Disord 2010;
</quote>
Facit: Hunger leads to a irreversible damage to the brain.
##########################################################
29. DO NOT FORGET: FIGHT HUNGER!
--------------------------------
CHRISTIAN RELIEF FUND:
http://www.compassionlink.org/html/food_relief.html#CRF
STOP HUNGER NOW:
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer?pagename=who_we_are
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer
HUNGER IS UNACCEPTABLE:
http://www.austinfoodbank.org/hunger-is-unacceptable/
http://peacenowar.net/newpeace/images/stories/hunger-sm.jpg
30 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR DIE OF HUNGER:
http://www.austinfoodbank.org/images/HiUlogo.gif
.
--
http://www.kidmed.org http://www.impfkritiker.de http://www.pharmamafia.com
http://www.kindersprechstunde.at http://www.medulla.at http://www.medizin.se
Kumar
> > Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
> > increase AGEs?
>
> Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
> amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
>
> > Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
>
> No.
> > > > Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> > > > stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
>
> > > It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
> > > acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
> > > these acquired illnesses.
>
> > But if chemicals in any medicine is hetrogenous, will it not cause
> > inflammatory or antigenic effect?
>
> Not in a healthy person who is eating the right daily amount (32 oz)
> of food.
person? Do these cause hetrogenous effects in unhealthy people?
> > > > Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
>
> > > Not while there is overeating.
>
> > Does it mean, there is no medical option to control VAT & AGEs other
> > than avoiding overeating?
>
> heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> neither overeating nor undereating.
>
> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:
have to avoid most modernizations eg. living in big unhealthful city.
But it may not be possible due to current age effect or due to created
imbalances by us?
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
( http://WDJW.net ) to also pray for Aribert's perishing soul simply
because we truly love him as our LORD commands (Jn15:12) with all
glory to GOD the Father.
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) asked in response to ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b64306a3a2deab71?
> Oh, bad memory?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0ee330066e18ab4b?
Bad memory is what happens to folks like you who have been anorexic
(See below earlier).
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) shrilly exclaimed earlier in
part:
> Hunger kills braincells!
Incorrect.
Instead, it is anorexia (no hunger) that is associated with shrinkage
of the brain possibly from dying neurons (brain cells).
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cfe5277eda75fcd4?
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) wrote earlier:
> Do you have good ears? Then listen:
Smarter to also watch:
http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=JEBB9CNU
> Transcripsion is somewhat like
>
> <quote>
> Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of the security of
> First Baptist Church of Woodstock.
> Andrew, I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to our
> campus.
> I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't want you to come back, okay?
> That for what (?) you were making today you need to know, that if you do come
> back, you will be removed from the pogrin (?)
> Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police.
> Andrew, allow us to end peacefully,
> Allow being right meal. (???)
> Thank you.
> Happy day.
> </quote>
Your errors in transcription is consistent with your being guided by
the spirit of error (self) instead of the Spirit of Truth, Who is GOD.
Yes, there are folks at FBCW who need to be born again (John 3:3 & 5)
as evident by their not being able to say "Jesus is LORD" with their
mouth (Romans 10:9) though they wanted to in order to complain to the
police from the outset that this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc
) was saying "Jesus is LORD" as a greeting and asking if they would
return with the same.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/209eead1460b9c27?
Aribert Deckers (aka Not-So-Happy Oyster) earlier wrote:
In reference to this physician's ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prayer
list:
http://tinyurl.com/4pcwg3x
>
> ... wants the death of more than 260 persons who he has in his
> online deathlist.
>
> Can the police of Atlanta prevent him running amok?
Atlanta police know that a prayer list is not a death (curse) list...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f9d0348afabb61?
...so they would be justified to have you possibly extradited here to
the U.S. to be charged with libel & defamation:
http://tinyurl.com/libel-defamation
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bda9bd5e0d4f589d?
Additional reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a332f19d1380d4c7?
Aribert Deckers (aka not-so-Happy Oyster) earlier wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> > not-so-Happy Oyster wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
> >> >
> >> > Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
> >> > other heart disease patients:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
> >>
> >> Why don't you bloody liar go to Ethiopia and tell your lies to **the people on the
> >> street** there?
**emphasis** added
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/919bac965960728f?
> >The homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either type-2
> >diabetes or sleep apnea.
>
> That is bullshit. I did not say anything about HOMELESS PEOPLE in Ethiopia!
See **emphasis** above.
Again, the homeless in Ethiopia do not as a general rule have either
type-2 diabetes or sleep apnea.
Now, why don't you start being hungrier (healthier) by eating the
right amount (32 oz/day) and give your excess to the homeless in
Ethiopia so that they too would become hungrier (healthier) and not
die from starvation?
Bottom line concerning you, Aribert:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/18b6cea52f0504a3?
Again, this physician prays for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Aribert, a new heart
and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be
born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
(1) Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
(2) Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
(3) Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
(4) Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
(5) Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The arterial tree is visceral.
> > > Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
> > > increase AGEs?
> >
> > Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
> > amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
> >
> > > Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
> >
> > No.
>
> Thanks.
Laus Deo ( http://WDJW.net/LausDeo )
> > > > > Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> > > > > stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
> >
> > > > It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
> > > > acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
> > > > these acquired illnesses.
> >
> > > But if chemicals in any medicine is hetrogenous, will it not cause
> > > inflammatory or antigenic effect?
> >
> > Not in a healthy person who is eating the right daily amount (32 oz)
> > of food.
>
> That may be due to control by body mechanism. But what about unhealthy
> person? Do these cause hetrogenous effects in unhealthy people?
Smarter to become healthier by stopping the overeating:
> > > > > Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
> >
> > > > Not while there is overeating.
> >
> > > Does it mean, there is no medical option to control VAT & AGEs other
> > > than avoiding overeating?
> >
> > It remains much smarter tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard(Proverbs 4:23) the
> > heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > neither overeating nor undereating.
> >
> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
> Yes, but? If we can be perfect in practicing healthful things, we may
> have to avoid most modernizations eg. living in big unhealthful city.
A digital food scale is modern.
> But it may not be possible due to current age effect or due to created
> imbalances by us?
We can do all things through Christ, Who strengthens us (Philippians
4:13).
This gentile Christian disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
of foods yesterday and is http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry while
really satisfied (Lk6:21A) knowing that the LORD provided his body
with all the needed good food and his mind with knowing to http://WDJW.net/BeHungry
which are words from His mouth (Dt8:3). Let us continue to http://WDJW.net/BeWise
about this.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
3:10 to Yuma
Netkook Andy going on a prayer vigil for a science fiction character
named Jayne Cobb:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/24690f7a846de9bb?hl=en
> to also pray for Jayne Cobb simply because we
> GOD the Father.
Jayne Cobb (played by Adam Baldwin) on the TV series Firefly,
is a tall (6'4"), physically imposing mercenary
previously uninvolved with the Unification War.
Despite his comparatively brutish manner,
Jayne regularly displays cunning and common sense.
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0003807/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayne_Cobb#Jayne_Cobb
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy with puppets "Chunked" and "KW"
continuing with her desperate failed attempt to coerce and manipulate:
>> Then how can I prove it to you? Think it through.
> Looking like a man
You first, you androgynous shemale.
And it's obvious that since a heretic blasphemer like you can parrot "Jesus
is Lord", it doesn't mean anything.
Lonely sacked expelled outcast nobody Andy, trying and badly failing to
wield a little power by way of manipulation and extortion.
How very sad for the little girlyboy.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy:
> Bottom line concerning you:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e7924a7074601ae4?
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets like you right now with fires
> from Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth -->
Oh goody, more death threats from the netkook who says he doesn't keep a
death list.
--------------------------------
Netkook Andy wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/e92bd72d797ae961?hl=en
> Those with hearts made discerning by the Holy Spirit can tell.
Of course The Netkook is the only person on Earth who "discerns" his
own self-contrived kooky nonsense.
In his warped mind, everyone else who knows he's crazy is "delusional" and
a "prodigal" ahha.
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Netkook Andy shrieked:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/aae4d43726695f5d?hl=en
> May GOD annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from Heaven right now,
> in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
> >I've been sad since mom's death
> > I haven't been able to sleep
> > and I haven't eaten anything since yesterday
>
> Don't be sicken dead by the sin of gluttony like your obese mother was
> when she died of type-2 diabetes out of willful disobedience.
*Later*
> > I've been sad since mom's death
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Father:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1R3RsjoAYQ
Bottom line concerning lying sockpuppets:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4afe0b3434b3e018?
May GOD continue to annihilate lying sockpuppets with fires from
Heaven, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth --> http://T3WiJ.com
Amen.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
Kumar
wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
anything except
> > > > > > > > > > deleterious.
>
snip>
> > > > Whether VAT accumulation is intra-arterial or outer-arterial?
>
> > > Visceral.
>
> > Then how VAT accumulation is intra-arterial?
>
> The arterial tree is visceral.
oriented macrophases?
> > > > Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
> > > > increase AGEs?
>
> > > Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
> > > amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
>
> > > > Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
>
> > > No.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> Laus Deo (http://WDJW.net/LausDeo)
>
> > > > > > Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> > > > > > stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
>
> > > > > It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
> > > > > acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
> > > > > these acquired illnesses.
>
> > > > But if chemicals in any medicine is hetrogenous, will it not cause
> > > > inflammatory or antigenic effect?
>
> > > Not in a healthy person who is eating the right daily amount (32 oz)
> > > of food.
>
> > That may be due to control by body mechanism. But what about unhealthy
> > person? Do these cause hetrogenous effects in unhealthy people?
>
> Smarter to become healthier by stopping the overeating:
>
> http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
Can there be some survival benefit in overeating by diabetics?
> > > > > > Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
>
> > > > > Not while there is overeating.
>
> > > > Does it mean, there is no medical option to control VAT & AGEs other
> > > > than avoiding overeating?
CRP is an indicator of hypercytokinemia & inflammation. But it is an
acute phase reactant protein. Inflammation in diabeics type2 & other
chronic inflamatory diseases should be chronic. How then, actute phase
protein(CRP) can be related to diabetes?
> > > It remains much smarter tohttp://WDJW.net/Guard(Proverbs4:23) the
> > > heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > neither overeating nor undereating.
>
> > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > more sophisticated and smarter:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef744...
>
> > Yes, but? If we can be perfect in practicing healthful things, we may
> > have to avoid most modernizations eg. living in big unhealthful city.
>
> A digital food scale is modern.
> > But it may not be possible due to current age effect or due to created
> > imbalances by us?
>
> We can do all things through Christ, Who strengthens us (Philippians
> 4:13).
One definition of true religion is:-
"[ According to Jainism, Universe and its constituents are uncreated
and everlasting. These constituents behave according to the natural
laws and their nature without interference from external entities.
Dharma or true religion according to Jainism is vatthu sahāvo dhammo
translated as "the intrinsic nature of a substance is its true
dharma." Kārtikeyānupreksā (478) explains it as : “Dharma is nothing
but the real nature of an object. Just as the nature of fire is to
burn and the nature of water is to produce a cooling effect, in the
same manner, the essential nature of the soul is to seek self-
realization and spiritual elevation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma_(Jainism) ]"
I respect it because it is quality based(so common) not entity
based(so specific).
Under it, I am not sure whether manipulations or modern interventions
are natural? Still there can be multiplicity of POVs which make all
right but not absolute, as indicated here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anekantavada
> This gentile Christian disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
> of foods yesterday and ishttp://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungrywhile
> really satisfied (Lk6:21A) knowing that the LORD provided his body
> with all the needed good food and his mind with knowing tohttp://WDJW.net/BeHungry
> which are words from His mouth (Dt8:3). Let us continue tohttp://WDJW.net/BeWise
> about this.
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
>
> We do this by weighing our meals per thehttp://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
> Approach to get our...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Status
>
> and then...
>
> http://WDJW.net/Update
>
> so that there will be...
>
> http://WDJW.net/NoVAT
>
> Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
>
> Mathematical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=146776...
>
> Historical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=146776...
>
> Medical:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=146776...
>
> Psychological:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=146776...
>
> Factual:http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
>
> So that we really shouldhttp://WDJW.net/BeHungryand say we are
> "wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
>
> http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=146776...
> This has all been abouthttp://WDJW.net/TheTruth
>
> May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
> physician (http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc) by giving them a new heart and
> a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
> water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5),http://WDJW.net/Forgivenby Him so that
> they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth:
>
> http://T3WiJ.com
>
> Amen.
>
> Love in the Truth,
>
> Andrew <><
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-certified Cardiologist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > > There is no evidence that VAT is anything except
> > > > deleterious.
> >
> snip>
> > > > > Whether VAT accumulation is intra-arterial or outer-arterial?
> >
> > > > Visceral.
> >
> > > Then how VAT accumulation is intra-arterial?
> >
> > The arterial tree is visceral.
>
> Whether pro-infl. cytokines are relesed directly by VAT or by VAT
> oriented macrophases?
Lipid-laden macrophages become the adipocytes of VAT.
> > > > > Is it overeating of all type of foods or some specific foods which can
> > > > > increase AGEs?
> >
> > > > Simply overeating, which is simply eating more that the right daily
> > > > amount (32 oz) of food irrespective of kinds.
> >
> > > > > Are VAT accumulation is related to specific foods?
> >
> > > > No.
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Laus Deo ( http://WDJW.net/LausDeo )
> >
> > > > > > > Whether all or most modern medicines are hetrogenous to body &
> > > > > > > stumulate immune response accordingly on initial taking?
> >
> > > > > > It is the VAT that is releasing the PIACs that are causing the
> > > > > > acquired illnesses and not the medications being prescribed to treat
> > > > > > these acquired illnesses.
> >
> > > > > But if chemicals in any medicine is hetrogenous, will it not cause
> > > > > inflammatory or antigenic effect?
> >
> > > > Not in a healthy person who is eating the right daily amount (32 oz)
> > > > of food.
> >
> > > That may be due to control by body mechanism. But what about unhealthy
> > > person? Do these cause hetrogenous effects in unhealthy people?
> >
> > Smarter to become healthier by stopping the overeating:
> >
> > http://WDJW.net/BeSmart
>
> That is ultimate but a manipulation, so unnatural.
Not manipulation but discipline, so super-natural as it requires a
super-ego, which is ego counseled by Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit
).
> Can there be some survival benefit in overeating by diabetics?
No.
> > > > > > > Can proteolytic agents cause better removal of AGEs in urine?
> >
> > > > > > Not while there is overeating.
> >
> > > > > Does it mean, there is no medical option to control VAT & AGEs other
> > > > > than avoiding overeating?
>
> CRP is an indicator of hypercytokinemia & inflammation. But it is an
> acute phase reactant protein.
It is also a marker for chronic low-grade tissue inflammation mediated
by PIACs.
> Inflammation in diabeics type2 & other
> chronic inflamatory diseases should be chronic. How then, actute phase
> protein(CRP) can be related to diabetes?
See above.
> > > > It remains much smarter to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs4:23) the
> > > > heart by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food thereby
> > > > neither overeating nor undereating.
> >
> > > > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > > > more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
There really is absolutely only one healthy way to stop the overeating
and that is to http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by
holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food.
This is simply reality and not religion.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth is reality (John 14:6) for He is the way, the
truth, and the life.
Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry really is wonderful as proven by five lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
Factual:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21f7a54a0f52f174?
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that