Bad decisions and bad decisions
Southpaw
the mistakes in the Sydney test?
I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.
Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
off the mark IMHO.
I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.
-Samarth.
SultanOfSwing
Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
a list of those dubious decisions.
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Australian 1st Innings
* Ricky Ponting (17) given not out by Mark Benson - Ponting
attempted a leg glance off his pads while facing the medium pacers of
Sourav Ganguly. He edged it back to wicketkeeper Mahendra Singh Dhoni.
The appeal was turned down by the umpire. Ponting went on to score 55
runs.
* Ricky Ponting (55) given out by Mark Benson - Ponting inside
edged bowler Harbhajan Singh back onto his back pad. Was adjudged LBW
after an Indian appeal to the umpire.
* Andrew Symonds (30) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds
attempted a push outside off to the bowling of Ishant Sharma, but
managed to edge the ball to the wicketkeeper Dhoni. The Indian appeal
for caught behind was turned down by Bucknor. Symonds went on to score
162*.
* Andrew Symonds (48) given not out by third umpire Bruce Oxenford
- Symonds lifted his back foot while beaten by Anil Kumble, Dhoni
appealed for a stumping which was referred to the third umpire. While
analysing the video replays, Wide World of Sports commentators Mark
Taylor, Michael Slater and Ian Healy speculated that it was out. The
3rd umpire turned down the appeal, commentators at Cricinfo saying "in
by a whisker, make that half a whisker". Symonds went on to score
162*.
* Andrew Symonds (148) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds
attempted to slide his back-foot into the crease when beaten by Anil
Kumble, Dhoni appealed for a stumping but Bucknor did not pass the
request to the third umpire, adjudging Symonds not out. Cricinfo
commentators said "he just appeared to have some part of his foot
grounded behind the line". Symonds went on to score 162*.
Indian 1st innings
* Wasim Jaffer (3) given out by Mark Benson - Jaffer bowled by a
yorker from Brett Lee. Replays show that Lee's front foot was outside
the crease that would make it a no ball.
* VVS Laxman (16) given not out by Mark Benson - Laxman shaped to
flick a full ball from Brett Lee down the leg side, further replays
indicate the ball would probably have struck middle and leg or leg
stump. Laxman went on to score 109.
* Sachin Tendulkar (36) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Tendulkar
was struck low on the pad in front of the stumps by the second ball of
the 79th over of the Indian innings bowled by Michael Clarke. Bucknor
adjudged it not out. Tendulkar went on to score 154 not out.
Australian 2nd Innings
* Michael Hussey (22) given not out by Mark Benson - Hussey is
struck on the inside of the right pad deep in the crease off a ball
that turned and kept low off the bowling of Anil Kumble. Hussey went
on to score 145*.
* Michael Hussey (45) given not out by Mark Benson - Hussey turns
the full face of the bat to the leg side and gets a fine touch to
wicket-keeper Dhoni off the bowling of Rudra Pratap Singh. Hussey went
on to score 145*.
* Andrew Symonds (0) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds was
struck on the front pad by a top-spinner from Kumble on his hat trick
ball. Bucknor adjudged it not out. Kumble missed out on a hat trick.
Symonds went on to score 61.
Indian 2nd innings
* Rahul Dravid (38) given out by Steve Bucknor - Dravid tucked bat
and glove behind his pads as he successfully padded away a delivery
from Andrew Symonds. Adam Gilchrist caught the ball and appealed for
caught behind and Bucknor gave it out. Replays revealed a small
deflection of the pads going almost straight into Gilchrist's hands.
* Sourav Ganguly (51) given out by Mark Benson - Whilst the TV
evidence was inconclusive as to the correctness of the decision, the
manner in which it was delivered has generated controversy. Sourav
Ganguly edged the ball to Michael Clarke at slip who was engulfed by
his team-mates in celebration of an apparent catch. Umpire Benson
appeared unsure as to whether it carried and instead of referring to
third umpire asked captain Ricky Ponting for clarification. There was
a prior agreement between the teams that the fielders would be honest
about whether the catch had carried. Ponting, having already consulted
Clarke about the validity of the catch, raised his finger, telling the
umpire that he thought the catch was cleanly taken. He came under
criticism for claiming the catch on behalf of his fielder while he was
himself not sure about it. He had earlier appealed for another dubious
catch off M.S. Dhoni, when TV replays suggested the ball had touched
the ground while he was diving. However, the laws of the game clearly
state a catch is over once the player has control over ball and body.
Clarke had made the dive and was in control, and caught the ball
clearly. TV replays were inconclusive for the Ganguly catch as well,
in which case the batsman normally gets the benefit of the doubt.
However, the Umpire had made his decision without asking for a 3rd
umpire referal and no benefit of the doubt was required.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Test%2C_2007-08_Border-Gavaskar_Trophy
When I counted, there were 10 decisions against India and 3 decisions
against Australia. As you mentioned, Samarth, the 3 caught-behind
decisions and the stumping (3rd umpire not consulted) were examples
of basic errors. Umpire Asad Rauf, may have misjudged the height
factor while adjudging LBW's but atleast he was consistent in his
decisions. Same goes for Bowden. That's a lot better than Buckson
combination.
Also a YouTube link that supports the above article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z125uLHDlUU
dechucka
"SultanOfSwing" <asla...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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> On Jan 19, 11:10 pm, Southpaw <arbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
>>
>> I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
>> against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
>> available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
>> qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.
>>
>> Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
>> off the mark IMHO.
>>
>> I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
>> wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
>> he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
>> the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
>> caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.
>>
>> -Samarth.
>
> Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
> They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
> a list of those dubious decisions.
WOW Wikipedia it must be true!
snip
Fish Womper
<asla...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>On Jan 19, 11:10 pm, Southpaw <arbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
>>
>> I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
>> against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
>> available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
>> qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.
>>
>> Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
>> off the mark IMHO.
>>
>> I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
>> wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
>> he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
>> the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
>> caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.
>>
>> -Samarth.
>
> Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
> They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
> a list of those dubious decisions.
Most of these, while debateable, cannot be called umpiring errors with
any certainty. What the list does show is that both teams had
contentious calls go against them. In particular, umpires called upon
to give LBW calls on sharply turning balls tend to give benefit of the
doubt to the batsman. They have to make an immediate decision, and
don't get to look at umpteen replays.
Had India shown a bit of spine on the last day the Test would have
been drawn.
fish
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> > Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
> > They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
> > a list of those dubious decisions.
>
> WOW Wikipedia it must be true!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4530930.stm
http://www.news.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html
OTOH, there are a lot of studies from highly reputable sources (one
study from Columbia University comes to mind), showing Wiki actually
contains fewer errors that EB.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
bhandava
Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?
It says: "But reviewers also found many factual errors, omissions or
misleading statements: 162 and 123 in Wikipedia and Britannica,
respectively." This is also from a sample of only 42 reviews in science
fields.
Wiki can be very useful as a starting point, but it isn't the most
reputable source due to its open nature. This would be especially true
in less-read entries and also non-scientific entries that are more open
to interpretation and bias.
bhandava
alvey
That count is hopelessly incorrect.
It was actually; anti-India 163, pro-India 0.
alvey
in Briz, wondering why ppl quote Wikipedia as a reference.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
> Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?
I never said that it does.
Understand what OTOH means.
Sanjiv Karmarkar
James Farrar
> What the list does show is that both teams had
>contentious calls go against them.
Yeah, but hardly in anywhere near equal numbers!
bhandava
I incorrectly read OTOMH. Why would you post 2 article links saying that
wiki has more errors than EB? That's almost surely a given.
I'll search for a source that says wiki has fewer errors than EB. It
could be interesting.
bhandava
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>>Sanjiv Karmarkar
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"bhandava" <bhandava_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sanjiv Karmarkar wrote:
>> On Jan 19, 4:33 pm, bhandava <bhandava_removet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Where does it say in these articles that wiki has fewer errors than EB?
>>
>>
>> I never said that it does.
>>
>> Understand what OTOH means.
>>
>> Sanjiv Karmarkar
>
> I incorrectly read OTOMH.
My Superior Lord bhandava,
But you are a genius and an intellectual like all of your mafia members
Rodney Ulyate, curiousgeorge, Diggler, Jack, Kim and the rest.
How can you incorrectly read OTOH with your 300 IQed brain that
laughs at all low iq monkeys like me and the third world Indian curry
munchers and the first world superiors like my skip Ricky Ponting,
Michael Clarke and the honest Adam Gilchrist and the resident
colored bastards haters alvey, Will_S, Andrew Dunford, Holmans,
Robson, dechuka, Rodney Hampson etc ?
You are supposed to be God, how can you make such a simple
mistake My Superior Lord bhandava ?
How can I worship you, your intellect and your genius in the
future if you make these mistakes Gods never make.
Rodney Ulyate's sarcasm on these third world Indian curry munchers
was simply brilliant yesterday. Rodney Ulyate belongs in the
Sarcasm Hall of Fame.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75
Now I await another sarcasm gem from My Superior Lord bhandava to
insult, abuse and ridicule me for my monkey English and imbecile brain.
>Why would you post 2 article links saying that wiki has more errors than
>EB? That's almost surely a given.
These third world Indian curry munchers and their logic, I tell ya.
When do we bomb India and civilize them, My Superior Lord
bhandava ?
> I'll search for a source that says wiki has fewer errors than EB. It could
> be interesting.
>
>
> bhandava
It cant be more interesting than you abusing, ridiculing and insulting
me My Superior Lord bhandava.
Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
genius and intellect and godly abilities.
bhandava
Australian, yet claim to be both. LMAO at how pathetic you are.
I laugh at your illiteracy. Go and look up sarcasm in the dictionary, it
may be enlightening.
Now I am done with you, you may go and entertain me some more.
Dance for me, oh Wise American. Dance!
Your Superior,
bhandava
Andrew Symonds
My Superior Lord bhandava,
Self appointed Gods of the world like you are not supposed to run
away like my captain and current worlds best batsman Ricky Ponting
did facing a 19yr old rookie Indian curry muncher Ishant Sharma.
But you are a genius and an intellectual like all of your mafia members
Rodney Ulyate, curiousgeorge, Diggler, Jack, Kim and the rest.
How can you incorrectly read OTOH with your 300 IQed brain that
laughs at all low iq monkeys like me and the third world Indian curry
munchers and the first world superiors like my skip Ricky Ponting,
Michael Clarke and the honest Adam Gilchrist and the resident
colored bastards haters alvey, Will_S, Andrew Dunford, Holmans,
Robson, dechuka, Rodney Hampson etc ?
You are supposed to be God, how can you make such a simple
mistake My Superior Lord bhandava ?
How can I worship you, your intellect and your genius in the
future if you make these mistakes Gods never make.
Rodney Ulyate's sarcasm on these third world Indian curry munchers
was simply brilliant yesterday. Rodney Ulyate belongs in the
Sarcasm Hall of Fame.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75
Now I await another sarcasm gem from My Superior Lord bhandava to
insult, abuse and ridicule me for my monkey English and imbecile brain.
These third world Indian curry munchers and their logic, I tell ya.
When do we bomb India and civilize them, My Superior Lord
bhandava ?
Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
R. Shakey
> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
Not for a second. Keep on referring to the Sydney Test though, that
will hopefully change something about the fact that the Indian batters
weren't good enough to save the game on the last day. Not much else
you can do, is there?
bhandava
> Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
> genius and intellect and godly abilities.
>
>
I will, thanks for recognising your inferiority.
bhandava
SultanOfSwing
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:46:34 -0800 (PST), SultanOfSwing
>
Yes, but if you read the OP, Samarth does not mention LBW decisions
in the Sydney Test. He made the following comments
"There were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs."
> Had India shown a bit of spine on the last day the Test would have
> been drawn.
Agree with that. With a bit more gumption from the top order,
India could have drawn the Sydney Test (never mind the poor
decision on the final day against Dravid and the hotly
debatable one against Ganguly). Irrespective of the final
result; IMO, the quality of umpiring from Bucknor and
Benson in the Sydney Test.
was poor.
SultanOfSwing
> "SultanOfSwing" <aslazr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
Well, I never claimed Wikipedia to be the "gospel truth".
Wikipedia has its fair share of detractors especially
after the John Seigenthal controversy (refer the BBC
article on Wikipedia posted by Sanjiv).
I posted the Wikipedia article because I felt that it had
a comprehensive description of the 2nd Test at Sydney.
Also, if you bother to read the entire article carefully,
it also mentions the following:
"According to Cricinfo, published reports stated that as
many as 8 out of 11 controversial umpiring decisions
went against the Indians. The major umpiring controversies
were identified by Cricinfo, Hindustan Times and Star
Cricket who were referring to live footage of the match."
If you also doubt the credibility of sources like Cricinfo,
Hindustan Times and Star Cricket, then there's nothing
else that I can say.
alvey
>
> If you also doubt the credibility of sources like Cricinfo,
> Hindustan Times and Star Cricket, then there's nothing
> else that I can say.
I doubt the credibility of Cricinfo, the Hindustan Times and Star Cricket.
alvey
Andrew Symonds
My Superior Lord bhandava,
Your husband "Husband of All FBI n NSA agents" is accusing
you to be torturing hundreds of thousands of americans and
non-americans.
You are running away like a typical pussy.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/5d90a8473e4fc400
Self appointed Gods of the world like you are not supposed to run
away like my captain and current worlds best batsman Ricky Ponting
did facing a 19yr old rookie Indian curry muncher Ishant Sharma.
But you are a genius and an intellectual like all of your mafia members
Rodney Ulyate, curiousgeorge, Diggler, Jack, Kim and the rest.
How can you incorrectly read OTOH with your 300 IQed brain that
laughs at all low iq monkeys like me and the third world Indian curry
munchers and the first world superiors like my skip Ricky Ponting,
Michael Clarke and the honest Adam Gilchrist and the resident
colored bastards haters alvey, Will_S, Andrew Dunford, Holmans,
Robson, dechuka, Rodney Hampson etc ?
How can I worship you, your intellect and your genius in the
future if you make these mistakes Gods never make.
Rodney Ulyate's sarcasm on these third world Indian curry munchers
was simply brilliant yesterday. Rodney Ulyate belongs in the
Sarcasm Hall of Fame.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75
Now I await another sarcasm gem from My Superior Lord bhandava to
insult, abuse and ridicule me for my monkey English and imbecile brain.
These third world Indian curry munchers and their logic, I tell ya.
When do we bomb India and civilize them, My Superior Lord
bhandava ?
Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
bhandava
James Farrar
> Well, I never claimed Wikipedia to be the "gospel truth".
> Wikipedia has its fair share of detractors especially
> after the John Seigenthal controversy (refer the BBC
> article on Wikipedia posted by Sanjiv).
>
> I posted the Wikipedia article because I felt that it had
> a comprehensive description of the 2nd Test at Sydney.
> Also, if you bother to read the entire article carefully,
> it also mentions the following:
> "According to Cricinfo, published reports stated that as
> many as 8 out of 11 controversial umpiring decisions
> went against the Indians. The major umpiring controversies
> were identified by Cricinfo, Hindustan Times and Star
> Cricket who were referring to live footage of the match."
>
> If you also doubt the credibility of sources like Cricinfo,
> Hindustan Times and Star Cricket, then there's nothing
> else that I can say.
Exactly. "Anything Wikipedia says is false" is as preposterous a
position as "anything Wikipedia says is true". Like any encyclopedia,
its accuracy depends upon the accuracy of its sources.
The other point to note is that, in general and in the long term, the
more controversial a subject, the more accurate the article is to be,
as it will receive a great deal of attention from all sides which
will, in most cases, lead to a compromise that all sides can live
with, which is likely to be somewhere close to what we might call "the
truth".
"Truth", of course, can be a subjective concept. This is probably why
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:V states that "The threshold for
inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth".
HVS
> Exactly. "Anything Wikipedia says is false" is as preposterous a
> position as "anything Wikipedia says is true". Like any
> encyclopedia, its accuracy depends upon the accuracy of its
> sources.
>
> The other point to note is that, in general and in the long
> term, the more controversial a subject, the more accurate the
> article is to be, as it will receive a great deal of attention
> from all sides which will, in most cases, lead to a compromise
> that all sides can live with, which is likely to be somewhere
> close to what we might call "the truth".
>
> "Truth", of course, can be a subjective concept. This is
> probably why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:V states that "The
> threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not
> truth".
AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been
posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting
verification.
Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation.
It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from
passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of
interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about
something, having a chat.
James Farrar
wrote:
>On 20 Jan 2008, James Farrar wrote
>
>> Exactly. "Anything Wikipedia says is false" is as preposterous a
>> position as "anything Wikipedia says is true". Like any
>> encyclopedia, its accuracy depends upon the accuracy of its
>> sources.
>>
>> The other point to note is that, in general and in the long
>> term, the more controversial a subject, the more accurate the
>> article is to be, as it will receive a great deal of attention
>> from all sides which will, in most cases, lead to a compromise
>> that all sides can live with, which is likely to be somewhere
>> close to what we might call "the truth".
>>
>> "Truth", of course, can be a subjective concept. This is
>> probably why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:V states that "The
>> threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not
>> truth".
>
>AFAICT, though, the Wikipedia model appears to accept "has been
>posted to Wikipedia by multiple contributors" as constituting
>verification.
Only when there's a source given (assuming the opinion is challenged;
which in controversial topics it always is...)
>Wikipedia's main weakness is that, at base, it's a pub conversation.
>It's a large pub conversation, and is open to contributions from
>passers-by who know their onions, but it's still basically a bunch of
>interested people who might -- or might not -- know much about
>something, having a chat.
An interesting opinion, and one which does a great disservice to
Wikipedia's contributors.
CDK
> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
HAd they happened to the Indian team instead of the Aussies the outcry
would have been deafening!!
<snip>
CDK
Jack
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>
> "bhandava" <bhandava_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Is America in the 3rd world now? You're certainly neither Indian nor
>> Australian, yet claim to be both. LMAO at how pathetic you are.
>>
>> I laugh at your illiteracy. Go and look up sarcasm in the dictionary, it
>> may be enlightening.
>>
>> Now I am done with you, you may go and entertain me some more.
>> Dance for me, oh Wise American. Dance!
>>
>>
>> Your Superior,
>> bhandava
>
>
>
>
> My Superior Lord bhandava,
>
> Self appointed Gods of the world like you
<snipped dribble>
You are a twat. Do you honestly think you can match wits with us on this
newsgroup?
Now piss off.
Mad Hamish
wrote:
>Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
>the mistakes in the Sydney test?
>
>I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
>against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
>available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
>qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.
>
>Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
>off the mark IMHO.
>
>I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
>wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
>he's actually not had that bad a game.
a) That depends on the lbw call.
Symonds got a huge edge on the ball and it should have been obvious to
the umpire.
I've seen people given lbw when the ball was probably going a foot
down legside and I've seen somebody given lbw when the ball didn't get
within a foot of any part of their body.
b) I hope you'll tell the Indian fans who whinge about Tendulkar being
given out lbw when ducking that.
> LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
>the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
>caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong?
Depends on the catches and the stumpings.
Catches off the face of the bat near the pads can be damned hard to
pick up.
Symond's nick was a bizarre one.
As for the stumping the initial comments were that the views shown
before the 3rd umpire gave his decision weren't clear enough to be
sure Symonds was out.
The decision not to refer to the 3rd umpire was another strange
decision but again the replays weren't conclusive that Symonds didn't
have some of his foot grounded behind the line.
> That's a disaster.
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
Mad Hamish
Hamish Laws
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Mad Hamish
<asla...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>On Jan 19, 11:10 pm, Southpaw <arbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
>>
>> I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
>> against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
>> available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
>> qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.
>>
>> Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
>> off the mark IMHO.
>>
>> I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
>> wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
>> he's actually not had that bad a game. LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
>> the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
>> caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong? That's a disaster.
>>
>> -Samarth.
>
> Well, Wikipedia has an article on the 2nd Test at Sydney.
> They have a list of the umpiring mistakes in T2. Here's
> a list of those dubious decisions.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Australian 1st Innings
>
> * Ricky Ponting (17) given not out by Mark Benson - Ponting
>attempted a leg glance off his pads while facing the medium pacers of
>Sourav Ganguly. He edged it back to wicketkeeper Mahendra Singh Dhoni.
>The appeal was turned down by the umpire. Ponting went on to score 55
>runs.
>
> * Ricky Ponting (55) given out by Mark Benson - Ponting inside
>edged bowler Harbhajan Singh back onto his back pad. Was adjudged LBW
>after an Indian appeal to the umpire.
>
> * Andrew Symonds (30) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds
>attempted a push outside off to the bowling of Ishant Sharma, but
>managed to edge the ball to the wicketkeeper Dhoni. The Indian appeal
>for caught behind was turned down by Bucknor. Symonds went on to score
>162*.
>
> * Andrew Symonds (48) given not out by third umpire Bruce Oxenford
>- Symonds lifted his back foot while beaten by Anil Kumble, Dhoni
>appealed for a stumping which was referred to the third umpire. While
>analysing the video replays, Wide World of Sports commentators Mark
>Taylor, Michael Slater and Ian Healy speculated that it was out. The
>3rd umpire turned down the appeal, commentators at Cricinfo saying "in
>by a whisker, make that half a whisker". Symonds went on to score
>162*.
Commentators don't have the same burdon of proof as the umpire.
>
> * Andrew Symonds (148) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds
>attempted to slide his back-foot into the crease when beaten by Anil
>Kumble, Dhoni appealed for a stumping but Bucknor did not pass the
>request to the third umpire, adjudging Symonds not out. Cricinfo
>commentators said "he just appeared to have some part of his foot
>grounded behind the line". Symonds went on to score 162*.
So your source lists not out as a correct decision then?
>
>Indian 1st innings
>
> * Wasim Jaffer (3) given out by Mark Benson - Jaffer bowled by a
>yorker from Brett Lee. Replays show that Lee's front foot was outside
>the crease that would make it a no ball.
iirc it was discussed here and it was felt that his foot slid out of
the crease after landing, which makes it a legal delivery.
>
> * VVS Laxman (16) given not out by Mark Benson - Laxman shaped to
>flick a full ball from Brett Lee down the leg side, further replays
>indicate the ball would probably have struck middle and leg or leg
>stump. Laxman went on to score 109.
>
> * Sachin Tendulkar (36) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Tendulkar
>was struck low on the pad in front of the stumps by the second ball of
>the 79th over of the Indian innings bowled by Michael Clarke. Bucknor
>adjudged it not out. Tendulkar went on to score 154 not out.
yeah, all the decisions went against India didn't they?
>
>Australian 2nd Innings
>
> * Michael Hussey (22) given not out by Mark Benson - Hussey is
>struck on the inside of the right pad deep in the crease off a ball
>that turned and kept low off the bowling of Anil Kumble. Hussey went
>on to score 145*.
iirc that ball went extremely close to the edge of the bat and I think
there were 2 noises.
>
> * Michael Hussey (45) given not out by Mark Benson - Hussey turns
>the full face of the bat to the leg side and gets a fine touch to
>wicket-keeper Dhoni off the bowling of Rudra Pratap Singh. Hussey went
>on to score 145*.
fine touches off the face of the bat are tough to pick up.
>
> * Andrew Symonds (0) given not out by Steve Bucknor - Symonds was
>struck on the front pad by a top-spinner from Kumble on his hat trick
>ball. Bucknor adjudged it not out. Kumble missed out on a hat trick.
>Symonds went on to score 61.
iirc there was considerable doubt about the height of that ball.
>
>Indian 2nd innings
>
> * Rahul Dravid (38) given out by Steve Bucknor - Dravid tucked bat
>and glove behind his pads as he successfully padded away a delivery
>from Andrew Symonds. Adam Gilchrist caught the ball and appealed for
>caught behind and Bucknor gave it out. Replays revealed a small
>deflection of the pads going almost straight into Gilchrist's hands.
>
> * Sourav Ganguly (51) given out by Mark Benson - Whilst the TV
>evidence was inconclusive as to the correctness of the decision, the
>manner in which it was delivered has generated controversy. Sourav
>Ganguly edged the ball to Michael Clarke at slip who was engulfed by
>his team-mates in celebration of an apparent catch. Umpire Benson
>appeared unsure as to whether it carried and instead of referring to
>third umpire asked captain Ricky Ponting for clarification. There was
>a prior agreement between the teams that the fielders would be honest
>about whether the catch had carried. Ponting, having already consulted
>Clarke about the validity of the catch, raised his finger, telling the
>umpire that he thought the catch was cleanly taken. He came under
>criticism for claiming the catch on behalf of his fielder while he was
>himself not sure about it. He had earlier appealed for another dubious
>catch off M.S. Dhoni, when TV replays suggested the ball had touched
>the ground while he was diving. However, the laws of the game clearly
>state a catch is over once the player has control over ball and body.
>Clarke had made the dive and was in control, and caught the ball
>clearly. TV replays were inconclusive for the Ganguly catch as well,
>in which case the batsman normally gets the benefit of the doubt.
>However, the Umpire had made his decision without asking for a 3rd
>umpire referal and no benefit of the doubt was required.
under the playing conditions the umpires can't refer a catch unless
their views were obscured.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Test%2C_2007-08_Border-Gavaskar_Trophy
>
>When I counted, there were 10 decisions against India and 3 decisions
>against Australia. As you mentioned, Samarth, the 3 caught-behind
>decisions and the stumping (3rd umpire not consulted) were examples
>of basic errors. Umpire Asad Rauf, may have misjudged the height
>factor while adjudging LBW's but atleast he was consistent in his
>decisions. Same goes for Bowden. That's a lot better than Buckson
>combination.
>
>Also a YouTube link that supports the above article.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z125uLHDlUU
Mad Hamish
As close to an average result would be 6 one way and 5 the other.
So if you look at a 50/50 distribution by chance figure out the odds
of it being 8 one way...
then ask yourself if Bucknor is biased why he'd give Tendulkar not
out...
>The major umpiring controversies
> were identified by Cricinfo, Hindustan Times and Star
> Cricket who were referring to live footage of the match."
>
> If you also doubt the credibility of sources like Cricinfo,
> Hindustan Times and Star Cricket, then there's nothing
> else that I can say.
Southpaw
<newsunspammel...@iinet.unspamme.net.au> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:10:47 -0800 (PST), Southpaw <arbi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
> >the mistakes in the Sydney test?
>
> >I mean, there were 3 wrong caught-behind decisions in Sydney - all
> >against India. And a couple of occasions when the third umpire was
> >available but not consulted - once again in Aus' favor. These are
> >qualitatively more basic errors than LBWs IMHO.
>
> >Suggesting that Rauf and Bowden had as poor a game as Buckson is way
> >off the mark IMHO.
>
> >I'd suggest Rauf and Bowden had a below-average game, with LBWs going
> >wrong against both teams. If LBWs are all an umpire got wrong, then
> >he's actually not had that bad a game.
>
> a) That depends on the lbw call.
Of course. I should've said, "in general".
> Symonds got a huge edge on the ball and it should have been obvious to
> the umpire.
> I've seen people given lbw when the ball was probably going a foot
> down legside and I've seen somebody given lbw when the ball didn't get
> within a foot of any part of their body.
> b) I hope you'll tell the Indian fans who whinge about Tendulkar being
> given out lbw when ducking that.
I'm not responsible for replying to every Indian fan here who I feel
is wrong, but I personally have always believed that that decision had
no bearing on the result of the match whatsoever. I wrote as much, at
the time as well.
SRT was wrongly given out in I1 of that game, caught close-in off
Warne when he hadn't gotten a nick on it. But as I said, LBWs and bat-
pads are the hardest decisions in cricket, *in general*. I don't
recall the umpiring errors in that game - or for that matter at
Calcutta 2001 - to be *nearly* as poor as Buckson at Sydney '08. Not
even close. Not calling for a 3rd umpire when the fielder grounded the
ball not once but twice is appalling. And that's just one decision.
> > LBWs and bat-pads remain by far
> >the hardest decisions for an umpire. Getting 3 caught-behinds, a
> >caught-at-slip, and a stumping wrong?
>
> Depends on the catches and the stumpings.
Of course. I should've said, "in general".
-Samarth.
> Catches off the face of the bat near the pads can be damned hard to
> pick up.
> Symond's nick was a bizarre one.
> As for the stumping the initial comments were that the views shown
> before the 3rd umpire gave his decision weren't clear enough to be
> sure Symonds was out.
> The decision not to refer to the 3rd umpire was another strange
> decision but again the replays weren't conclusive that Symonds didn't
> have some of his foot grounded behind the line.
>
> > That's a disaster.
>
> --
> "Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
> Stuart Adamson 1958-2001
>
> Mad Hamish
> Hamish Laws
R. Shakey
> As close to an average result would be 6 one way and 5 the other.
> So if you look at a 50/50 distribution by chance figure out the odds
> of it being 8 one way...
Including the Symonds LBW shout off Kumble sort of destoys the
credibility of any bias allegation - no umpire in their right mind
would give that when the batter is so far down the pitch. The bias
thing just says a few things about the people suggesting it, we
already know the umpiring was poor.
R. Shakey
> SRT was wrongly given out in I1 of that game, caught close-in off
> Warne when he hadn't gotten a nick on it. But as I said, LBWs and bat-
> pads are the hardest decisions in cricket, *in general*. I don't
> recall the umpiring errors in that game - or for that matter at
> Calcutta 2001 - to be *nearly* as poor as Buckson at Sydney '08. Not
> even close. Not calling for a 3rd umpire when the fielder grounded the
> ball not once but twice is appalling. And that's just one decision.
Have you read anything to do with the agreement that was made before
the series between the two umpires? If you'd like to use actual facts
to support your arguments, you might like to find out what the
agreement was while wasting time.
Southpaw
> > SRT was wrongly given out in I1 of that game, caught close-in off
> > Warne when he hadn't gotten a nick on it. But as I said, LBWs and bat-
> > pads are the hardest decisions in cricket, *in general*. I don't
> > recall the umpiring errors in that game - or for that matter at
> > Calcutta 2001 - to be *nearly* as poor as Buckson at Sydney '08. Not
> > even close. Not calling for a 3rd umpire when the fielder grounded the
> > ball not once but twice is appalling. And that's just one decision.
>
> Have you read anything to do with the agreement that was made before
> the series between the two umpires?
No. But Bucknor and Benson were scheduled to umpire together in the
2nd test alone. I wonder why they needed to make any agreement, just
between the two of them, prior to the start of the series.
-Samarth.
R. Shakey
> On Jan 21, 1:35 pm, "R. Shakey" <dnarmstr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > SRT was wrongly given out in I1 of that game, caught close-in off
> > > Warne when he hadn't gotten a nick on it. But as I said, LBWs and bat-
> > > pads are the hardest decisions in cricket, *in general*. I don't
> > > recall the umpiring errors in that game - or for that matter at
> > > Calcutta 2001 - to be *nearly* as poor as Buckson at Sydney '08. Not
> > > even close. Not calling for a 3rd umpire when the fielder grounded the
> > > ball not once but twice is appalling. And that's just one decision.
>
> > Have you read anything to do with the agreement that was made before
> > the series between the two umpires?
>
> No.
Well why bother when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking
about? The agreement made will explain it to you without anyone else
having to.
cricbuzz6
It did happen to the Indian team too. Both SRT and Dhoni were adjudged
LBW when the ball was clearly not hitting the stumps. No outcry.
guyan...@yahoo.com
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:46:34 -0800 (PST), SultanOfSwing wrote:
>
> That count is hopelessly incorrect.
> It was actually; anti-India 163, pro-India 0.
>
> alvey
> in Briz, wondering why ppl quote Wikipedia as a reference.
it was 165 anti India -100 Aust
CDK
Only seven threads on Tendulkar from memory.
Which must be some kind of record for Indian 'restraint'
CDK
Southpaw
> cricbuzz6 wrote:
> > On Jan 20, 5:07 pm, CDK <mickymo...@disneyland.com> wrote:
> >> Southpaw wrote:
> >>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
> >>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
> >> HAd they happened to the Indian team instead of the Aussies the outcry
> >> would have been deafening!!
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> CDK
>
> > It did happen to the Indian team too. Both SRT and Dhoni were adjudged
> > LBW when the ball was clearly not hitting the stumps. No outcry.
>
> Only seven threads on Tendulkar from memory.
I counted five threads complaining about Tendulkar/Dhoni's 1st innings
decisions, but perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
That's incidentally the same number I counted re: Symonds/Hussey's I2
decisions.
And remember there's far more Aussie posters here than Indian ones. My
gut feeling has always been that the whinging about whinging has been
rather more vocal than the original whinging. :-)
-Samarth.
Southpaw
> On Jan 21, 4:18 pm, CDK <mickymo...@disneyland.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > cricbuzz6 wrote:
> > > On Jan 20, 5:07 pm, CDK <mickymo...@disneyland.com> wrote:
> > >> Southpaw wrote:
> > >>> Do ppl seriously think the poor LBW calls against Aus were as poor as
> > >>> the mistakes in the Sydney test?
> > >> HAd they happened to the Indian team instead of the Aussies the outcry
> > >> would have been deafening!!
>
> > >> <snip>
>
> > >> CDK
>
> > > It did happen to the Indian team too. Both SRT and Dhoni were adjudged
> > > LBW when the ball was clearly not hitting the stumps. No outcry.
>
> > Only seven threads on Tendulkar from memory.
>
> I counted five threads complaining about Tendulkar/Dhoni's 1st innings
> decisions, but perhaps I didn't look hard enough.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/e3...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/e1...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/3c...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/64...
>
> That's incidentally the same number I counted re: Symonds/Hussey's I2
> decisions.
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/8c...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/f5...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/16...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/browse_frm/thread/57...
>
> And remember there's far more Aussie posters here than Indian ones. My
Sorry, the other way around: far more Indian posters than Aussie ones.
Although it looks like the whinges w.r.t. Hussey/Symonds were also
started by Indian supporters. I guess Indians are equal opportunity
whingers.
-Samarth.
> gut feeling has always been that the whinging about whinging has been
> rather more vocal than the original whinging. :-)
>
> -Samarth.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Which must be some kind of record for Indian 'restraint'
>
> > CDK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Spaceman Spiff
--
stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff
get your own damn grateful dead lyrics.
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/
Wog George
>
> "bhandava" <bhandava_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fmv05a$qji$4...@aioe.org...
>> Andrew Symonds wrote:
>>> Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
>>> genius and intellect and godly abilities.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I will, thanks for recognising your inferiority.
>>
>> bhandava
>
>
>
> My Superior Lord bhandava,
>
My Posterior Andrew Symonds
Please continue to abuse all people who enjoy the game of cricket. We know
that your abilities are far BELOW the STANDARD required to PLAY the game
properly, but YOU still try to make yourself PROMINENT!
You are a CRETIN, recognised by WHITE SUPREMECIST racists and BROWN CURRY
MUNCHING racist monkeys that FROWN upon your RACIST bullshit in ALL CAPS!
To be perfectly honest, most Indians that I know are brown skinned and eat
curry (and much better than the muck that I dish up), so pretty much any
court in the land will forgive my "racist" remarks. You, on the other hand,
equate support of an umpire's decision with not only racism but also child
molestation. How does a ball pitching on or about leg stump somehow become
equal with someone who has their way with an underage person of either
gender?
Please, Andrew, explain some of your outrageous claims and provide evidence.
--
George
"Dolphins, Eskimos, who cares?! It's all a bunch of tree hugging hippie
crap!" - Eric Cartman - 20 August 1997
Andrew Symonds
My Superior Lord bhandava,
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/5d90a8473e4fc400
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75
Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
Andrew Symonds
"Wog George" <wog-NotThi...@amd-p.com> wrote in message
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My Superior Lords bhandava and Wog George
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/5d90a8473e4fc400
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/2745f8f35b327f75
Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
Andrew Symonds
"Jack" <jt2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47947...@news.chariot.net.au...
With "us" ?
You must be referring to your fellow psychopaths whose
genius wits is limited to the words "X's mom, X's husband, dick, beer,
hotdogs, fart, dog fucking and sleeping"
Roflmao
bhandava
To my sweet dancing puppet,
Other things include knowledge, surveillance, torture, GPS, PDeX, bet,
laugh, removal, October. *clap*
What's a 'mom' in English?
Your Superior,
Lord Bhandava
Rodney Ulyate
> "Andrew Symonds" <AndrewSymon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "bhandava" <bhandava_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fmv05a$qji$4...@aioe.org...
>>> Andrew Symonds wrote:
>>>> Please continue to abuse me and make me worship your superior
>>>> genius and intellect and godly abilities.
>>> I will, thanks for recognising your inferiority.
>>> bhandava
>> My Superior Lord bhandava,
> <snip>
> My Posterior Andrew Symonds
> Please continue to abuse all people who enjoy the game of cricket. We know
> that your abilities are far BELOW the STANDARD required to PLAY the game
> properly, but YOU still try to make yourself PROMINENT!
> You are a CRETIN, recognised by WHITE SUPREMECIST racists and BROWN CURRY
> MUNCHING racist monkeys that FROWN upon your RACIST bullshit in ALL CAPS!
By Zeus! You had me going. Well evoked, sir!
<chop>
--
Rodney Ulyate
"Chappell was a coward. He needed a crowd around him before he would
say anything. He was sour like milk that had been sitting in the sun for
a week."
Ian Botham
prabh...@hotmail.com
> Andrew Symonds wrote:
>
> > "Jack" <jt20...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:47947...@news.chariot.net.au...
>
> >> "Andrew Symonds" <AndrewSymonds379remt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:fmurs2$ff2$1...@aioe.org...
>
> >>> "bhandava" <bhandava_removet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
hey Bhandar,
where from did you hit upon this nick?
guyan...@yahoo.com
Jesus Fucking Christ was taken!
bhandava
Maybe I would write Isa instead.
Jab tu paida hua tho aagey se ya peechey se nikla tha chutiya?
bhandava
bhandava
Teri maa ki choot.
You already know where I got it from, my son.
bhandava
guyan...@yahoo.com
white-trash is a good moniker for you, watch your mom give blow jobs
at the port? must be traumatic! no dad home? or was he fucking ur
sister??
Husband of All FBI n NSA agents
<guyan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Dont bother responding to this FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATH bhandava.
This userid bhandava is being used by different FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHS
simultaneously just like they used the userid "MacJoubert".
FBI n NSA = SADISM + PERVERSION + BLOODLUST + DECEPTION + MANIPULATION
Husband of All FBI n NSA agents
FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATH bhandava,
You are not gonna fool anyone with your hindi or for that matter
with any of your other comments.
You came face to face with me like TYPICAL EVIL AMERICAN
GOVT FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHIC PUSSIES while I was
sleeping.
You never took up my challenge to fight face to face with
the same weapons because you are a fucking born pussy
like the rest of the PSYCHOPATHS in FBI n NSA.
I will ALWAYS SMILE unlike you EVIL AMERICAN GOVT
FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHIC PUSSIES that PERPETUALLY
CRY like FUCKING PUSSIES that the rest of world is
gonna get you.
To the rest of the readers,
Read and educate yourself, your family and loved ones.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy/msg/89eacf73a921d342?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/e6a96ff165f4775e?hl=en&
I put a $10,000 bounty on Rodney Ulyate and bhandava and they are
fucking scared to tfile a police complaint or meet me in person to
settle the issue once and for all to figure who is the REAL MAN.
Husband of All FBI n NSA agents challenged FBI n NSA
PSYCHOPATH bhandava.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/5d90a8473e4fc400
bhandava
LOL! mor gud work fram yuo!.,., u is genus. tootal genus.
so smrt is u. kutte ka beej,.. forth drive roger can word.
Tere maa ko sau kutte chode, sau wa tera baap.
Your Superior,
bhandava
Jason Gillespie
<guyan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:92752a29-8cb0-4d6f...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Spot on with your comment.
Last week Jon Stewart said on his show Angelina Jolie lost her
virginity to her brother.
Jason Gillespie
On Feb 1st, 2008, this white racist psychopath (allegedly works
for FBI or NSA) boldly claimed he doesnt know how coloured
people looke like as shown in this link.
White racist bhandava's claim
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/aa75f82af7a7ca3d
Well Superior lord genius racist bhandava,
I am educating your racist ass how colored persons look like.
You dont have to pay me anything. Its FREE.
http://www.maafa.org/klan.html
http://www.maafa.org/show.html
http://www.maafa.org/start.html
http://www.maafa.org/lynchist.html
http://www.maafa.org/group.html
http://www.maafa.org/lynch4.html
http://www.maafa.org/group2.html
http://www.maafa.org/lynch1.html
http://www.maafa.org/lynch2.html
http://www.maafa.org/lynch3.html
http://www.maafa.org/dahmer.html
Australian racists abuse Indians to be niggers and kick Indians with their
feet to take pictures
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/fa85e7b9168a51d2
Indian graduate student attacked by Australian racists
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/ca09519218fe0ff1
Indian graduate student brutally attacked by racists in Connecticut
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/d0c7e2a6771bdb44
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/88333c8508740268...
Indians hit by racist chants on Boxing Day Test day 2 by Australian racists
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/af8dcb1285d13ebd
Thien Minh Ly was shot and killed in Tustin, California on January
29, 1996.
. Kanu Patel and Mukesh Patek were shot and killed in Camp Springs,
Maryland on October 15, 1998.
. Joseph Ileto was shot and killed in Chatsworth, California on August
10, 1999.
. Balbir Singh Sohdi was shot and killed in Mesa, Arizona on September
15, 2001.
. Waqar Hasan and Vasudev Patel were shot and killed near Dallas,
Texas on September 15, 2001.
. Iqbal Singh was stabbed in Santa Clara, California on July 30, 2006
. Robert Stanford, Song Sun Lee and Kam Yan Li were shot and killed in
San Francisco on October 21, 2006.
. Marie Martinez was beaten on an MTA bus in New York City on March
16, 2007.
bhandava
No one has heard of your crazy American names.
Regards,
S. Colbert
guyan...@yahoo.com
<JasonGillespie123Purget...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <guyanper...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Who the fuck is Bhandava, cant live in Aussieconvictland, it must be
past 2am there, dont tell me he is an Indian shit sucking up to his
masters? His sister loves to give BJs to Monkeyman!
Jason Gillespie
One email is enough and it only takes 5 mintues maximum.
You low iq morons think you are tooooo smart.
Jason Gillespie
<guyan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Bhandava is a UserId used by FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHS who are
TORTURING millions of Americans and Non-Americans secretly
with psycholectronic weapons.
You are either lying or one of them if you are telling rsc that you
havent been reading comments from "Husband of ALL FBI n NSA Agents"
about bhandava, Rodney Ulyate and other undercover FBI n NSA
psychopaths who are posting with 100 different UserIds.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.cricket/msg/a7f7401ff114af64
bhandava
>
> Who the fuck is Bhandava, cant live in Aussieconvictland, it must be
> past 2am there, dont tell me he is an Indian shit sucking up to his
> masters? His sister loves to give BJs to Monkeyman!
No, please listen to your gay husband of FBI friend/jason gillespie. He
said I'm a convict and a FBI agent. You should look up to his wealth of
knowledge. Like many Gods, I'm omnipresent; I live everywhere all at once.
I couldn't be from a secret organisation; although I do know YOUR secret.
Tere adha Nirodh mein rah gaya. Sssh! ;)
Divine Overlord,
bhandava
Husband of All FBI n NSA agents
FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATH bhandava,
You are not gonna fool anyone with your hindi or for that matter
with any of your other comments.
You can shove your video evidence in your pussy and FBI
director Robert Muellers PUSSY and NSA director
Mike McConnells PUSSY for all I care.
You came face to face with me like TYPICAL EVIL AMERICAN
GOVT FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHIC PUSSIES while I was
sleeping.
You never took up my challenge to fight face to face with
the same weapons because you are a fucking born pussy
like the rest of the PSYCHOPATHS in FBI n NSA.
I will ALWAYS SMILE unlike you EVIL AMERICAN GOVT
FBI n NSA PSYCHOPATHIC PUSSIES that PERPETUALLY
CRY like FUCKING PUSSIES that the rest of world is
gonna get you every second of your pathetic pussy lives.