Father murderers
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PV
A Planet Visitor
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>le Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:27:21 GMT, dans l'article <k13o4v0hibibc2eua...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>> A recent murder of a father by his son around Orlando, Florida --
>> See
>> url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fathermurderers.jpg
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>At least the father wasn't in gaol, eh ? Otherwise, you'd have been unable
>to type, being pissed on champagne.
>
Strange... Strange, that you'd find the murder of a father by his own son, presumably
requires a sarcastic reply. Reminds me of when you attacked a poster for posting
tributes to Mamie Till Mobley, and Martin Luther King Jr. Have you had a recent
brain scan?? You should perhaps consider it.
PV
>--
>Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
One wonders where that 'Universal Right to Life' is, in this picture --
url:http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0302/feature2/zoom3.html
Oh... wait a minute... I think I see it behind that small brush in the
background. There on the left... see it, desi? Those two hidden eyes
of the 'provider of the Universal Right to Life,' peering from the brush.
How COULD I have missed that 'timeless, eternal, beyond everything' right
that all 'life' possesses? Too bad that 'your Church' isn't for that child.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:33:55 +0000
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>le Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:27:21 GMT, dans l'article
><k13o4v0hibibc2eua...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>> A recent murder of a father by his son around Orlando, Florida --
>> See
>> url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/fathermurderers.jpg
>
>At least the father wasn't in gaol, eh ? Otherwise, you'd have been unable
>to type, being pissed on champagne.
>
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Poor Desi, yet another drunken lie! The Dr. Dolly Coughlan archive exists
because Desmond Coughlan lacks conviction in his words. He won't allow his
posts to be archived in Google. Please feel free to use it to your advantage.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:49:38 +0000
>
>le Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:35:32 GMT, dans l'article
><1mao4v80fu20a8v3h...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>{ snip }
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>>>At least the father wasn't in gaol, eh ? Otherwise, you'd have been
>>>unable to type, being pissed on champagne.
>
>> Strange... Strange, that you'd find the murder of a father by his own
>> son, presumably requires a sarcastic reply. Reminds me of when you
>> attacked a poster for posting tributes to Mamie Till Mobley, and Martin
>> Luther King Jr.
>
>Who was that poster, FuckWit ? You know, the one you refer to in the third
>person singular ?
>
>> Have you had a recent brain scan?? You should perhaps consider it.
>
>I bet you'd love one ... but they haven't yet invented the scanner
>incorporated into a seat.
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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A Planet Visitor
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>le Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:35:32 GMT, dans l'article <1mao4v80fu20a8v3h...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>{ snip }
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>>>At least the father wasn't in gaol, eh ? Otherwise, you'd have been
>>>unable to type, being pissed on champagne.
>
>> Strange... Strange, that you'd find the murder of a father by his own
>> son, presumably requires a sarcastic reply. Reminds me of when you
>> attacked a poster for posting tributes to Mamie Till Mobley, and Martin
>> Luther King Jr.
>
>Who was that poster, FuckWit ? You know, the one you refer to in the third
>person singular ?
>
That would be me... See --
1) Mamie Till Mobley --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Za9T9.48895%24Sa3.1215055%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
to which you replied with that sarcastic comment in --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030112212919.01911.00000653%40mb-mu.aol.com
For which Donna rightfully chastised you.
2) Martin Luther King Jr.
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fsWW9.113395%24Sa3.2633235%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
to which you replied with TWO of the most sarcastic and disgusting insults
to that man and his memory, which exist in any Usenet comments outside of those
groups run by _little men who run around with white peaked hats_ --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030120212929.19751.00000260%40mb-cu.aol.com
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030123212917.01792.00000517%40mb-fi.aol.com
>> Have you had a recent brain scan?? You should perhaps consider it.
>
>I bet you'd love one ... but they haven't yet invented the scanner
>incorporated into a seat.
>
I would suppose you consider that to be at some level of _humor_, while
everyone can see it is no better than kindergarten level banter. It is simply
another display of your mastery of the pitiful screech and the high-pitched
whine, envied by every 5-year-old.
PV
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> Ayatollah desi
See: ---- The Wizard that is desi ----- picture and comment which follows --
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/sparrow.jpg
The Wizard's words --
"I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
The Late Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:48:29 +0000
>
>le Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:23:08 GMT, dans l'article
><tupq4voeauts0af2p...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>{ snip }
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>>>Who was that poster, FuckWit ? You know, the one you refer to in the
>>>third person singular ?
>
>> That would be me... See --
>
>Ah, so FuckWit refers to himself in the third person singular. Who, having
>witnessed his king-sized ego on news:alt.activism.death-penalty and his
>_pathological_ need to brazen out his _faux pas_, can be surprised ?
>
>> 1) Mamie Till Mobley --
>>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Za9T9.48895%24Sa3.1215055%40twis
ter.tampabay.rr.com
>> to which you replied with that sarcastic comment in --
>[snip false URL]
>> For which Donna rightfully chastised you.
>
>Alas, sometimes it is necessary to break eggs to make an omelette. I had
>to slap you down in the Mamie Till Mobley thread, as you were quite
>obviously celebrating the death of a much respected icon of civil rights.
>
>> 2) Martin Luther King Jr.
>>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fsWW9.113395%24Sa3.2633235%40twi
ster.tampabay.rr.com
>> to which you replied with TWO of the most sarcastic and disgusting insults
>> to that man and his memory, which exist in any Usenet comments outside of
>those
>> groups run by _little men who run around with white peaked hats_ --
>[snip false URLs ... sorry, 'URL's' (sic)]
>
>Yes indeed, one must fight bigotry with harsh words. Dr King's blood is on
>your 'hand's' (sic), and whilst you seek to boost your own already
>tarnished image on news:alt.activism.death-penalty by associating it with
>his, i shall not stand by and let you do that.
>
>{ snip FW claiming 'victory' }
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Dolly Coughlan Jr
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A Planet Visitor
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>le Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:23:08 GMT, dans l'article <tupq4voeauts0af2p...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>{ snip }
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>>>Who was that poster, FuckWit ? You know, the one you refer to in the
>>>third person singular ?
>
>> That would be me... See --
>
>Ah, so FuckWit refers to himself in the third person singular. Who, having
>witnessed his king-sized ego on news:alt.activism.death-penalty and his
>_pathological_ need to brazen out his _faux pas_, can be surprised ?
>
>> 1) Mamie Till Mobley --
>> url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Za9T9.48895%24Sa3.1215055%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
>> to which you replied with that sarcastic comment in --
>[snip false URL]
>> For which Donna rightfully chastised you.
>
>Alas, sometimes it is necessary to break eggs to make an omelette. I had
>to slap you down in the Mamie Till Mobley thread, as you were quite
>obviously celebrating the death of a much respected icon of civil rights.
>
You already said that... and looked foolish even when trying to provide
your embarrassed (something you obviously are unfamiliar with) excuse,
for insulting the tribute to that person, since you certainly cannot insult
me, as I'm the one who offered the tribute... and believing you are insulting
me, is simply insulting the tribute.
>> 2) Martin Luther King Jr.
>> url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fsWW9.113395%24Sa3.2633235%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
>> to which you replied with TWO of the most sarcastic and disgusting insults
>> to that man and his memory, which exist in any Usenet comments outside of those
>> groups run by _little men who run around with white peaked hats_ --
>[snip false URLs ... sorry, 'URL's' (sic)]
>
>Yes indeed, one must fight bigotry with harsh words.
To bad that you presumed to don your peaked white hat and fight ME,
for offering such a tribute. Essentially you were fighting the fight FOR
bigotry.
> Dr King's blood is on
>your 'hand's' (sic),
Actually, in your insult to his memory, you essentially spit on his grave.
His blood is on neither of our hands... but the blood of those he died for
has been disgraced by your comment. It's as simple as that... but I'd
never expect YOU to understand it... since [REFERENCE]
> and whilst you seek to boost your own already
>tarnished image on news:alt.activism.death-penalty by associating it with
>his, i shall not stand by and let you do that.
>
>{ snip FW claiming 'victory' }
>
I claim no victory in the death of MLK... but you seem to be claiming
victory over someone having offered a tribute to him. Now... I need to go
wash my hands... since they suddenly feel very dirty... having written to
you, about your disgusting racist behavior.
[REFERENCE] Your comments of the past --
1) "Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo ass !!" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021001212904.09987.00002409%40mb-fp.aol.com
2) "'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'" Somehow it always ends up to
be a Black in his descriptions of a 'typical' robber. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8oeie1.66i.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
3) "smelly 'Jigaboo' Ausländer." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020826212933.13843.00000967%40mb-mu.aol.com
4) "I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the word 'jigaboo'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212951.10684.00000093%40mb-cu.aol.com
5) "same bestial beating administered to LDB's now almost 'jigaboo' buttocks" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020924212907.06896.00002017%40mb-mv.aol.com
6) "Paris is an oasis of safety, be you jigaboo (ho, ho, ho ...) or not."
Apparently finding his use of racial insults 'funny,' as he finds tragedy deserves a
*giggle*. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021006212910.00278.00004368%40mb-md.aol.com
7) "Say, LDB ... how come your "ass" [sic] is so jigaboo these days ?' ... " See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212927.18726.00000072%40mb-fe.aol.com
8) "France (the Greatest Country on the Face of the Earth, BTW) did not 'lose' the
match against those jigaboo (*snigger*) upstarts, QZD." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020605201554.23403.00000133%40mb-fo.aol.com
9) "I cream in my pants when they execute a dumbfuck nigga fry black fucker," See
--
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021103212919.08236.00000659%40mb-cg.aol.com
10) "FW seems to have a masochist streak that leads him to present his 'jigaboo'
(*chuckle*) buttocks to the assembled throng on AADP and _beg_ to be spanked." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030112212942.01911.00000668%40mb-mu.aol.com
11) "If we start to bring money into the equation, then we cut
overseas aid because after all, they're 'only niggers'. . . and so on." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=848250093.891.3%40maudit.demon.co.uk
12) "Talking of pointy hats, Don: lynched any "niggers" lately?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=33aa5cc2.10949086%40news.pratique.fr
13) "Look, Chuck, the murdering niggers ... I mean, blacks who kill
in this country, get due process." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8308au.h8.desmond%40tortue.coughlan.net
14) "or 'niggers' as they're called in his neck of the woods," See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8npdg3.4a5.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
15) "waiting for some delinquant (as Jigsaw would call them, 'niggers')" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8ojg49.5v9.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
16) "it was German beer ... now, if only I could get the smell of sausage out of the
bloody bottles" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8tud5u.2dn2.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
17) "Indeed, perhaps if the floods that are presently threatening Germany,
had been controlled before they swept across into Europe, from the Czech
Republic and Poland, then this fair continent would have been saved the
same fate as the smelly 'auslanders'." See -
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020821212944.09631.00000655%40mb-fc.aol.com
18) Then, there was his recent remark that making favorable comments about
the past civil rights efforts of Mamie Till Mobley, as her death was reported, here
in this newsgroup was a racist comments posted by a racist. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030113200243.01707.00001214%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
19) And then his hysterical outrage that someone could possibly suggest that
MLK be recognized as having contributed to civil rights on MLK day. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030120212929.19751.00000260%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
20) "the 'onery ragheads' * that are Arabs" In fact, placing that (*) specifically
to state at the bottom, that the 'phrase' was Copyright by ME. Yet only HE
had ever used it. Certainly not ME. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212936.18726.00000083%40mb-fe.aol.com
21) "not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either, other than
that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'" Again, SPECIFICALLY attributing
it as MY 'philosophy. And this was the one you presumed was a pejorative,
yet he expressly attributed the 'words' to MY' philosophy.' I can thus
presume that YOUR philosophy is that 'Judge Zobel is a crook,' since
that is simply a pejorative... obviously you presume a double-standand. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021016212913.06142.00000353%40mb-ch.aol.com
22) "Hey, why bother, right ? They're only ragheads ... 'Arab cunts'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020921212909.09987.00001502%40mb-fp.aol.com
23)"'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020908212925.09987.00000590%40mb-fp.aol.com
24) "The half-million Iraqi children who have died since the sanctions were imposed,
are, to quote LDB, 'ragheads', and thus are unimportant." Obviously, he CLEARLY
expresses that he is QUOTING me... but it is a LIE. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021113212902.00704.00001232%40mb-ba.aol.com
25) "The maniacal laughter as yet more 'ragheads' (sic) were killed in Palestine."
See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212915.18726.00000061%40mb-fe.aol.com
26) "but they were all 'ragheads' (Copyright (C) 2002 LDB)" Expressly again claiming
the term is MINE... yet it BELONGS only to him. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021115212931.11087.00001599%40mb-fi.aol.com
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:39:08 +0000
>
>le Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:34:03 GMT, dans l'article
><albu4voc58e08c0sd...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>{ snip my casting FW down like a whipped cur }
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>> Now... I need to go wash my hands... since they suddenly feel very
>> dirty...
>
>I can understand that. The blood of Martin Luther King is still on them.
>'Will these hands ne'er be clean ??' (FuckWit)
>
>{ snip list of 'quotes' (sic) that no one (not even FW) believes were my
> sincerely expressed opinions, but which I can command him to post
> whenever I wish, followed by FW's slavish modification of my .sig ...
> jump, little FW !! Jump !! ... LOL !! }
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>http://www.zeouane.org/
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
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A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>le Sun, 16 Feb 2003 06:34:03 GMT, dans l'article <albu4voc58e08c0sd...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip my casting FW down like a whipped cur }
>
You need to understand that intellectual readers here, automatically
preface every sentence you provide, with your unspoken words of
"you ain't gonna believe this, but...."
>> Now... I need to go wash my hands... since they suddenly feel very
>> dirty...
>
>I can understand that. The blood of Martin Luther King is still on them.
>'Will these hands ne'er be clean ??' (FuckWit)
>
I gave him a tribute... You insulted that tribute. It's as simple as that.
Any rational person can quickly see that you're the racist. So intent
in your hate for me... because I am not a racist, and because I have
proven you are a racist. Trying to plant your _flaming cross_ of the
KKK directly into the heart of any tribute offered to MLK in this
newsgroup. No... desi... your hands WILL ne'er be clean.
>{ snip list of 'quotes' (sic) that no one (not even FW) believes were my
> sincerely expressed opinions, but which I can command him to post
> whenever I wish, followed by FW's slavish modification of my .sig ...
> jump, little FW !! Jump !! ... LOL !! }
>
It would seem that you're ashamed of those quotes (although that particular
emotion has never been displayed by you before), since you DID <snip>
them. So ...Roger... will do... I am always inclined to oblige when you ask for
quotes of your words, that show your racism --
And I especially was totally mesmerized by your buddy, JPB, presuming
to argue that because you did not CLAIM the words were yours, but
CLAIMED they were mine... that that somehow made them no longer
yours. That is the perfect _murderer defense_. Simply claim someone
else did it... and it is no longer possible that he did it.
>--
>Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
See: ---- The Wizard that is desi ----- picture and comment which follows --
dirtdog
wrote:
On MLK
>I gave him a tribute... You insulted that tribute. It's as simple as that.
>Any rational person can quickly see that you're the racist.
FW, I know you often post whilst frigging your anus, but do try to
avoid your post-orgasmic light-headedness spilling out by talking
absolute bollocks.
Hang on, let's be realistic.
FW, I know you often post whilst frigging your anus, but do try to
avoid your post-orgasmic light-headedness spilling out by talking
absolute bollocks all of the time.
<petulant screams of 'I'm not the RASCIST [sic], desi IS [sic]
snipped>
w00f
Just passing by
Boring and now totally irrelevant spam list of proven false
accusations, clipped.
> And I especially was totally mesmerized by your buddy, JPB, presuming
> to argue that because you did not CLAIM the words were yours, but
> CLAIMED they were mine... that that somehow made them no longer
> yours. That is the perfect _murderer defense_. Simply claim someone
> else did it... and it is no longer possible that he did it.
PV, you can't erase what you wrote and nor can you change its meaning
with this very poor attempt at semantic sophistry. You admitted, not
once but twice, that Desmond was referring to you and not him when he
wrote about those who subscribe to a racist philosophy. Prior to that,
you were the only person claiming that the reference to "filthy
ragheads" amounted to him being racist rather than him attacking
racism. Now you have withdrawn from that position, it is unanimous and
final. The effect is that the attention can now be moved away from his
disproved racism and onto your proven lies that started the whole
controversy in the first place. So your attempts to obscure this new
situation by continuing to post your spam list of that and other lies
is hopeless. If you had any sense, you would simply give up this
pointless behaviour that is only making the hole you are in even
bigger, and accept the inescapable reality that you have again been
exposed as a liar and fraud, and that Desmond now has every right to
use this evidence against you as ruthlessly as he chooses to. Perhaps
if you could force yourself to unreservedly apologise to him, he might
go easy on you. Try it and see.
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:52:01 +0000
>
>le Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:03:02 GMT, dans l'article
><3dp25v8tssomt9dge...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip FW _still_ ... sorry, 'STILL' (sic) not getting the message that
> posting a cheesy 'tribute' to a man whose death he indirectly brought
> about, in order to boost his own standing in AADP, necessitates his being
> slapped down by the 'garbage removal man' of that newsgroup }
>
>>>{ snip list of 'quotes' (sic) that no one (not even FW) believes were my
>>>sincerely expressed opinions, but which I can command him to post
>>>whenever I wish, followed by FW's slavish modification of my .sig ...
>>>jump, little FW !! Jump !! ... LOL !! }
>
>> It would seem that you're ashamed of those quotes (although that
>> particular emotion has never been displayed by you before), since you DID
>> <snip> them. So ...Roger... will do... I am always inclined to oblige
>> when you ask for quotes of your words, that show your racism --
>
>{ snip }
>
>LOL !! Not only are you the most prolific liar (agreed upon by _all_ ...
>sorry, 'ALL' (sic) of news:alt.activism.death-penalty), but you're also
>apparently too stupid to realise that you're on record as _admitting_ that
>the thoughts in those 'quotes' (sic) were not mine, but yours. Your exact
>words ...
>
> 'He was NOT [sic] claiming that "philosophy" as HIS [sic] OWN [sic] ...
> He was claiming it was mine'
>
>... and further on .. .
>
> 'Because he was not attributing to himself.. he was falsely attributing
> it to me.'
>
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=al4p4v8astnc4
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>
>{ snip remainder of 'quotes' (sic) that even FW is getting embarrassed in
> 'quotationing' (sic ... ha, ha, ha !) }
>
>LMAO !! You keep hammering away, FW. God, this is so much fun ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>http://www.zeouane.org/
>http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
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A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<3dp25v8tssomt9dge...@4ax.com>...
>
>Boring and now totally irrelevant spam list of proven false
>accusations, clipped.
>
>> And I especially was totally mesmerized by your buddy, JPB, presuming
>> to argue that because you did not CLAIM the words were yours, but
>> CLAIMED they were mine... that that somehow made them no longer
>> yours. That is the perfect _murderer defense_. Simply claim someone
>> else did it... and it is no longer possible that he did it.
>
>PV, you can't erase what you wrote and nor can you change its meaning
>with this very poor attempt at semantic sophistry.
LOL... Why does it always seem that I have to tie one of my brain lobes
behind my back, in order to give you a fair chance?
> You admitted, not
>once but twice, that Desmond was referring to you and not him when he
>wrote about those who subscribe to a racist philosophy.
He was CLAIMING it was my words... and CLAIMING it was
my philosophy. But of course the WORDS came from HIM pen.
In other words... he LIED. One cannot claim such a thing, without
proof or there is no limit to what one may CLAIM, and still find
himself beyond having stained himself with those same words.
CLAIMING those words and philosophy were mine, does not
relieves HIM from the fact they are HIS words. A CLAIM
means nothing, if it is a false claim. When I call desi a racist...
I provide PROOF, using HIS words. And I always QUOTE
those words precisely. As I did in 21). But in 21) he CLAIMS
to QUOTE ME, and QUOTE my philosophy, but cannot show
where I have every used that racist slur... because I have not.
it. It is a simple exercise in logic to demonstrate the fallacy of
your words. These are the words of DESI in 21)
21)"That won't stop Blair and Bush from using it as yet another pretext
to invade Iraq ... not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda
either, other than that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'. LDB's
'philosophy' (sic) is alive and well in the West ..."
You then asked --
1. Do you agree that Desmond's last sentence there was an attack on
you?
Obviously, there is no question the answer is YES.
2. Do you believe that the "philosophy" he was attacking you for
(rightly or wrongly; forget about your denials for a moment) was the
one he was also claiming to be his own?
Obviously NO. That does not mean they are NOT his own.
He is simply CLAIMING they are mine. He was ACCUSING me with
his CLAIM. Your argument is so fundamentally flawed it is laughable.
Him CLAIMING it is my words, and it is my philosophy does not make
them DISAPPEAR from BEING HIS. A murderer may CLAIM -- "that
other guy did it." But most certainly that DOES NOT ABSOLVE the
murderer from the act HE committed. desi's CLAIM means NOTHING
if untrue. Which is what is in 21). A morally fraudulent CLAIM can
never be passed off as not belonging to the one MAKING the morally
fraudulent claim.
> Prior to that,
>you were the only person claiming that the reference to "filthy
>ragheads" amounted to him being racist rather than him attacking
>racism.
He CLAIMED that I had referred to Arabs in such racist terms.
I have not. He cannot QUOTE me, using words I have never
written here. You have only shown that he is not only a racist,
but rather agree that he is a lying racist, as well.
> Now you have withdrawn from that position, it is unanimous and
>final.
Of course it is... you are logically deficient.
> The effect is that the attention can now be moved away from his
>disproved racism and onto your proven lies that started the whole
>controversy in the first place.
Not at all... He CLAIMED I had used those words... but I had
not. He is a racist in his own MIND in that particular comment
of his. No matter what his CLAIM is. The racist slur came from
HIS MIND... not mine.
> So your attempts to obscure this new
>situation by continuing to post your spam list of that and other lies
>is hopeless.
You've always been hopeless to me, sport.
> If you had any sense, you would simply give up this
>pointless behaviour that is only making the hole you are in even
>bigger, and accept the inescapable reality that you have again been
>exposed as a liar and fraud, and that Desmond now has every right to
>use this evidence against you as ruthlessly as he chooses to.
Sure... he can perhaps use HIS racist words... to imply _I_ am a racist.
Oh...wait... that's what he's been TRYING to do. And I'm just
reporting his attempts.
> Perhaps
>if you could force yourself to unreservedly apologise to him, he might
>go easy on you. Try it and see.
LOL... Sure... how's this... Every word will ALWAYS BE desi's, no
matter how much he might CLAIM they are someone else's.
DESI RACIST COMMENTS
18) Then, there was desi's recent remark that making favorable comments about
the past civil rights efforts of Mamie Till Mobley, as her death was reported, here
in this newsgroup was a racist comments posted by a racist. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030113200243.01707.00001214%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
19) And then desi's hysterical outrage that someone could possibly suggest that
All desi's past comments, and ALL proving he is a racist swine.
PV
Just passing by
> 2. Do you believe that the "philosophy" he was attacking you for
> (rightly or wrongly; forget about your denials for a moment) was the
> one he was also claiming to be his own?
>
> Obviously NO.
Thank you. So now it is three times you have found him not guilty of
what you previously accused him of. Your earlier words, "Absolutely
not" and these latest ones, "Obviously NO" are admissions from you
that Desmond was not stating that Iraq is ruled by "filthy ragheads"
but was simply accusing you of holding that view.
And all this irrelevant stuff about how you have never used those
words and how he was "wrongly accusing" you belong to a different
argument entirely. I have taken no side in that argument; I have never
called you a racist, nor accused you of using the term "filthy
ragheads" because I have not studied the background to that argument.
The only argument I have "poked my nose" into is the one in which you
falsely accused Desmond of using the above offensive term to express
his own view rather than to attack your alleged one. And as you have
now, three times, agreed with me that he was doing no such thing, what
are you still trying to argue about?
A Planet Visitor
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>le Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:03:02 GMT, dans l'article <3dp25v8tssomt9dge...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip FW _still_ ... sorry, 'STILL' (sic) not getting the message that
> posting a cheesy 'tribute' to a man whose death he indirectly brought
> about, in order to boost his own standing in AADP, necessitates his being
> slapped down by the 'garbage removal man' of that newsgroup }
>
Leaving in desi STILL not getting the message that
condemning ANYONE for providing a tribute to a man
who stood for civil rights, is an attack on that man and HIS
message, and not an attack on the one providing the tribute.
You are a racist, desi. Proven a number of times. Most
effectively when you presumed to attack the message in the
tribute to the man because of your hate for the one
providing the tribute. That is no less certain than the
assassin murderer of MLK, was a racist. A racist who
murdered MLK for the MESSAGE he was sending. You
certainly fell on your own sword, in ADMITTING you are a
racist by attacking the tribute... however _cheesy_ you
would now presume it to be. And the very fact you now
call ANY tribute to MLK _cheesy_, again demonstrates that
you HATE the idea of paying tribute to MLK.
>>>{ snip list of 'quotes' (sic) that no one (not even FW) believes were my
>>>sincerely expressed opinions, but which I can command him to post
>>>whenever I wish, followed by FW's slavish modification of my .sig ...
>>>jump, little FW !! Jump !! ... LOL !! }
Anytime, sport. Anytime.
>> It would seem that you're ashamed of those quotes (although that
>> particular emotion has never been displayed by you before), since you DID
>> <snip> them. So ...Roger... will do... I am always inclined to oblige
>> when you ask for quotes of your words, that show your racism --
>
>{ snip }
>
>LOL !! Not only are you the most prolific liar (agreed upon by _all_ ...
>sorry, 'ALL' (sic) of news:alt.activism.death-penalty), but you're also
>apparently too stupid to realise that you're on record as _admitting_ that
>the thoughts in those 'quotes' (sic) were not mine, but yours. Your exact
>words ...
No... YOUR CLAIM was that the thoughts in some of those
quotes were mine... but clearly they were a product of your
sick, racist mind. Since they were NEVER a part of my
quotes. And it's just more of your lies... since I never
_admitted_ they were mine. I STATED that you CLAIMED they
were mine. Given that you lie... I was simply confirming
the fact you had done so, with your claim. So what you've
shown is you are a _lying racist_, rather than JUST a
_racist_. You should at least be true to YOUR OWN
philosophy, instead of CLAIMING it is that of another.
>
> 'He was NOT [sic] claiming that "philosophy" as HIS [sic] OWN [sic] ...
> He was claiming it was mine'
>
CLAIMING... One can CLAIM he is not a murderer... but if he
is a murderer, it is simply a lie.
>... and further on .. .
>
> 'Because he was not attributing to himself.. he was falsely attributing
> it to me.'
>
Falsely. Little wonder you have been accused of hyperbole.
>
>{ snip remainder of 'quotes' (sic) that even FW is getting embarrassed in
> 'quotationing' (sic ... ha, ha, ha !) }
>
>LMAO !! You keep hammering away, FW. God, this is so much fun ...
>
As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you
are not a racist, because you claim that I am one, you are
only looking more like a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN
words, without lying by CLAIMING they came from somewhere
else. This has become so easy. Again... YOUR words which
prove you are a racist --
1) "Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo ass
!!" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021001212904.09987.00002409%40mb-fp.aol.com
2) "'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'"
Somehow it always ends up to be a Black in your descriptions
of a 'typical' robber. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8oeie1.66i.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
3) "smelly 'Jigaboo' Ausländer." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020826212933.13843.00000967%40mb-mu.aol.com
4) "I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the
word 'jigaboo'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212951.10684.00000093%40mb-cu.aol.com
5) "same bestial beating administered to LDB's now almost
'jigaboo' buttocks" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020924212907.06896.00002017%40mb-mv.aol.com
6) "Paris is an oasis of safety, be you jigaboo (ho, ho, ho
...) or not." Apparently finding your use of racial insults
'funny,' as you find tragedy deserves a *giggle*. See --
SPECIFICALLY attributing it as MY 'philosophy. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021016212913.06142.00000353%40mb-ch.aol.com
22) "Hey, why bother, right ? They're only ragheads ...
'Arab cunts'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020921212909.09987.00001502%40mb-fp.aol.com
23)"'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020908212925.09987.00000590%40mb-fp.aol.com
24) "The half-million Iraqi children who have died since the
sanctions were imposed, are, to quote LDB, 'ragheads', and
thus are unimportant." Obviously, he CLEARLY
expresses that he is QUOTING me... but it is a LIE. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021113212902.00704.00001232%40mb-ba.aol.com
25) "The maniacal laughter as yet more 'ragheads' (sic) were
killed in Palestine." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212915.18726.00000061%40mb-fe.aol.com
26) "but they were all 'ragheads' (Copyright (C) 2002 LDB)"
Expressly again claiming the term is MINE... yet it BELONGS
only to him. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021115212931.11087.00001599%40mb-fi.aol.com
>--
>Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
One wonders where that 'Universal Right to Life' is, in this
picture --
url:http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0302/feature2/zoom3.html
Oh... wait a minute... I think I see it behind that small
brush in the background. There on the left... see it, desi?
Those two hidden eyes of the 'provider of the Universal
Just passing by
> >
> As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you
> are not a racist, because you claim that I am one, you are
> only looking more like a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN
> words, without lying by CLAIMING they came from somewhere
> else. This has become so easy. Again... YOUR words which
> prove you are a racist --
Spam list of proven false allegations that are now totally irrelevant,
clipped.
You have lost this one, PV. Arguably you lost it the very day you
hatched this plan to deliberately present Desmond's words out of
context to create the illusion of him being a racist, but,
unquestionably, you have lost it now that you have, three times,
admitted that his reference to a certain racist term was used
exclusively to attack you and not as an expression of his own views.
Your preposterous list of quotes is now meaningless. All it does is
show instances of where certain words or terms have appeared in
Desmond's posts, and nothing more. It does not prove that he was using
those terms to agree with the sentiments that are usually expressed by
them. You could search through Desmond's posts to find many occasions
when he has used terms like "death penalty" and "execution". Would
that prove that he is a DP supporter? Of course it wouldn't; as
everyone knows, he is as passionate an opponent of the DP as anyone
could possibly be. But trying such a trick would be no less ludicrous
and dishonest than the cheap and blatant con-trick you have tried to
pull off by alleging racism.
What you have tried to do is use this issue of racism to kill two
birds with one stone. Your original complaint was that Desmond was
calling you a racist, but rather than simply concentrate on defending
yourself, you have tried to also make it look as if he is a racist,
and in doing so, have totally failed to grasp the thinking behind the
"best form of defence is attack" strategy. To use that strategy, you
still have to have some ammunition to fire, otherwise it backfires, as
it has on you.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<fbl85v0hkolkhs0uf...@4ax.com>...
>
>> >
>> As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you
>> are not a racist, because you claim that I am one, you are
>> only looking more like a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN
>> words, without lying by CLAIMING they came from somewhere
>> else. This has become so easy. Again... YOUR words which
>> prove you are a racist --
>
>Spam list of proven false allegations that are now totally irrelevant,
>clipped.
>
Hardly... all 26 PROVE that desi is a racist. Which was my purpose.
Objective achieved.
>You have lost this one, PV. Arguably you lost it the very day you
>hatched this plan to deliberately present Desmond's words out of
>context to create the illusion of him being a racist,
Illusion???? Get real. He is a proven racist.
> but,
>unquestionably, you have lost it now that you have, three times,
>admitted that his reference to a certain racist term was used
>exclusively to attack you and not as an expression of his own views.
>
No.. it was simply his CLAIM that they were my feelings, but they
were said not ONLY to attack me... but to provide him the latitude
to PUT THOSE WORDS HERE. He only used me as an EXCUSE
to demonstrate his racism. Quite simply as a murderer would accuse
someone ELSE... to cover up his own crime. Quite simply as the
defense for the _Great White Whale_ tried to accuse the Eappens of
having caused the brain damage to Matthew to COVER UP the fact
that their client had done it. He did not CLAIM they were his words,
but doing so does not relieve him from his CRIME of putting those
words to pen. Claiming someone else did it... is a typical defense
mechanism to cover up, and desi tried to use it. But I have
caught him out. And will continue to expose him, each time he
believes he has the latitude to provide his OWN racist insults freely,
by CLAIMING they are from someone else. Little wonder that you
are blind to this, since it rather impacts your argument with the _Great
White Whale_, of Matthew's injuries happening before she took care
of him that day. It becomes rather obvious that her CLAIM was
simply a defense effort to cover up her own crime.
>Your preposterous list of quotes is now meaningless.
I don't put them here for YOU to decide what they are, sport. The
RATIONAL mind can clearly see through the deception of desi. He
ENJOYS putting up those racist slurs... but tries to cover up his
enjoyment, by sometimes claiming they come from another (and
sometimes not even bothering to do that). Nor, given that I have
so utterly demolished you in your obsession with the _Great White
Whale_, does ANYONE believe you are providing anything other
then your own rage against me, with my having exposed your obsession.
> All it does is
>show instances of where certain words or terms have appeared in
>Desmond's posts, and nothing more.
I'm beginning to believe you actually SUPPORT a racist, in your
disagreement with me. Those "certain words or terms," are the most
disgusting examples of man's hate for his fellow man imaginable. Is
THAT what you support? Why not call those words WHAT THEY
ARE??? Why not simply SAY "where racist slurs have appeared"?
Or are you afraid that your devious argument will be exposed for what
it is? An effort to HIDE desi's racism!
> It does not prove that he was using
>those terms to agree with the sentiments that are usually expressed by
>them.
Of course it does. He just used me, Jigsaw, and some others as an
EXCUSE to vent his hate for Arabs and Blacks, and Jews. One thing
can be said for desi... he is an _equal opportunity_ bigot and racist.
Hating everyone, including his own countrymen, to the exclusion ONLY
of the French. Because subconsciously, he wants desperately to find
some roots. While the French spit on the ground, when he turns his
back.
> You could search through Desmond's posts to find many occasions
>when he has used terms like "death penalty" and "execution". Would
>that prove that he is a DP supporter?
LOL... You DO KNOW what a racial slur IS... don't YOU??? Clue...
it is NOT the words "death penalty" and "execution."
> Of course it wouldn't; as
>everyone knows, he is as passionate an opponent of the DP as anyone
>could possibly be. But trying such a trick would be no less ludicrous
>and dishonest than the cheap and blatant con-trick you have tried to
>pull off by alleging racism.
Rubbish... Everyone KNOWS what racism is... calling another a
name which serves to DEMEAN their existence. And THAT is what
desi provided.
>What you have tried to do is use this issue of racism to kill two
>birds with one stone.
Actually racism is one very large stone. A stone which has served
to impede the advance of man, for centuries. And desi enjoys
SITTING on that stone. And polishing it at times.
> Your original complaint was that Desmond was
>calling you a racist,
Again, rubbish. My _complain_ has always been that desi is a
RACIST. The fact that he claims HIS racist views are mine,
is simply my recognition that he uses it as an EXCUSE for his
racism. I have always argued that he is a racist because
of his words. They are HIS... regardless of who he claims
they belong to. They can only be quotes if they are QUOTES,
otherwise they are EXCUSES for his own racism.
> but rather than simply concentrate on defending
>yourself, you have tried to also make it look as if he is a racist,
I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one
believes for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure.
He simply needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he
doesn't even bother looking for one. You will find nothing in
any of MY words, that would demonstrate racism on my part.
I have in fact, called my country a racist society, and stated that
we are a nation without honor until we solve the problem of
racism in America. Those are not the words of a racist. I have
in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor will
you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in
my words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the
use of those racial slurs. I could only be more revolted if I
permitted them to pass from others without pointing out they
are racists.
>and in doing so, have totally failed to grasp the thinking behind the
>"best form of defence is attack" strategy. To use that strategy, you
>still have to have some ammunition to fire, otherwise it backfires, as
>it has on you.
Sure... defend a racist. How very appropriate. Murderers and racists
seem to be your best friends.
PV
Just passing by
> I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one
> believes for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure.
> He simply needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he
> doesn't even bother looking for one. You will find nothing in
> any of MY words, that would demonstrate racism on my part.
> I have in fact, called my country a racist society, and stated that
> we are a nation without honor until we solve the problem of
> racism in America. Those are not the words of a racist. I have
> in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor will
> you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in
> my words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the
> use of those racial slurs. I could only be more revolted if I
> permitted them to pass from others without pointing out they
> are racists.
Here is another PV classic. Look at the first sentence in the
paragraph above. And what is almost the entire remainder of the
paragraph devoted to? Precisely what that first sentence claims is
never necessary. HA! HA!
> > You could search through Desmond's posts to find many occasions
> >when he has used terms like "death penalty" and "execution". Would
> >that prove that he is a DP supporter?
>
> LOL... You DO KNOW what a racial slur IS... don't YOU??? Clue...
> it is NOT the words "death penalty" and "execution."
PV, look up the word "analogy" in one of those many prestigious
dictionaries of yours.
> > Your original complaint was that Desmond was
> >calling you a racist,
>
> Again, rubbish. My _complain_ has always been that desi is a
> RACIST. The fact that he claims HIS racist views are mine,
> is simply my recognition that he uses it as an EXCUSE for his
> racism.
More illogical nonsense. Every post I have ever read of Desmond's in
which the subject of racism has been raised, he has taken the
opportunity to attack it. Sometimes he will do that in an ironic way,
even borrowing racist terms to draw attention to, and attack, those
who use them to express their own views. That method of communicating
a point may be difficult for you to grasp, but then, as I have told
you before, you are not on his level. His debating skills & methods
are too advanced for you and that is why you, out of frustration, find
the need to repeatedly tell lies about him. It is your way of trying
to catch up, or of compensating for what he has and you obviously
lack. I think you are jealous of him, but I know you will never admit
that even to yourself.
I have deliberately left this next one until last:
> Nor, given that I have
> so utterly demolished you in your obsession with the _Great White
> Whale_, does ANYONE believe you are providing anything other
> then your own rage against me, with my having exposed your obsession.
If there has ever been a more preposterous statement made in any
newsgroup by anyone, I have not seen it. So now let's examine just a
few facts.
FACT 1. Since you & I first began exchanging posts on the subject of
the LW case I have repeatedly challenged you to debate the medical
evidence from both defence and prosecution, and you have repeatedly
run away from doing so. Not once have you ever dared to answer any of
the multitude of questions I have put to you regarding that evidence,
which include those raised by the following seven facts:
__________________________________
1. Osteoblasts (identified from slides taken of the dura) were found
at the fracture site. These do not appear until healing has been
underway for at least one week.
2. The fracture had clearly identifiable lipped edges. A new fracture
has sharp edges which do not develop to this new stage for 2-3 weeks.
Dr. DeGirolami testified that to the best of his recollection there
was no lipping. However, the photographs which, conveniently for the
prosecution, were kept hidden until the trial was almost over, showed
that this lipping was indeed present.
3. New bone (periosteum) was clearly identified at the fracture site.
This takes 10-14 days to begin to appear. Dr. DeGirolami (a
PROSECUTION witness) testified that this could only be explained by
the injury being an old one.
4. The prosecution alleged that Louise had slammed Matthew's head
against a hard surface with a force equal to him falling from a 2nd
storey window, head first, onto hard concrete. But Matthew's head did
not have a single external mark on it - no bumps; no bruises; no cuts;
no scratches.
5. There was no soft tissue swelling around the fracture. It would
have taken weeks for the swelling to completely disappear.
6. Proliferating capillaries were found in the dura. A healing
fracture requires a supply of blood through capillaries into the
fracture hematoma. The presence of these proliferating capillaries
shows that the injury was at a stage of healing that could not be less
than 2 weeks.
7. The CT scans showed layered subdural bleeding which was several
weeks old.
_______________________________________
Fact 2. You have always pretended that the reason you will not discuss
any of the above facts is because of my separate argument relating to
prosecutorial misconduct and perjury by four police officers, even
though the two arguments are unconnected.
FACT 3. That pretence has now been exposed for the sham it has always
been after I challenged you to discuss the medical evidence and
pledged that at no time during the discussion would I refer to any
lies or corruption by anyone, but rather would stick rigidly to the
medical argument, and yet you STILL keep running and STILL refuse to
debate the medical evidence.
FACT 4. You once slipped up by forgetting to hide behind the
aforementioned pretence and effectively admitted to having run away.
Here it is again (my words first, followed by your own):
> > You have access to the transcripts, so that
> > would have been very easy for
> > you. Why did you instead run away day after
> > day from discussing the
> > evidence itself?
> That would be because I referred you to the
> ruling of the Massachusetts Supreme Court, at
> the very beginning, word for word. That court
> addressed each of those 'arguments' presented
> by the defense.
Those first four words of yours, "That would be because" damn you as a
coward who is terrified of facing the very argument he preposterously
claims to have "won".
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=NbQU9.39972$n47.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com
FACT 5. During one long period of exchanges, I asked you, day after
day, to answer one simple question: "Is it possible for a baby to fall
head first from a height of 15ft onto hard concrete and suffer not a
single cut, scratch, bump or bruise to his head?" You ran away from
answering even that very simple question. You were scared of a
question like that. Nobody but you would be unable to give an answer
to such a question.
FACT 6. You have now, once again, been reduced to posting the same
100% spam post to every posting of mine on the subject of the LW case,
as your pathetic substitute for a real reply that would necessitate
having to physically type out something new. This spam that begins
"GENTLE READER" has been put together by copying & pasting parts of
numerous previous messages of yours - all of which I totally destroyed
with facts when you posted them the first time around and many more
times since. This mass posting of spam you are now reduced to is the
ultimate symbol of the totally beaten and utterly humiliated coward
you are.
And after all that and much more that I could add to it, you claim to
have demolished my argument. You pathetic, cowardly fool. I once
called you the Saddam Hussein of this newsgroup, because of the way
you, however comprehensively you are annihilated in debates, will
always claim to have won some great victory, believing that you can
somehow hide your shame and embarrassment behind the claim itself. But
you can't, because such claims can very easily be checked against the
postings and the evidence in the archives. And those archives prove
that you are one of the saddest and most pitiful figures in any
newsgroup .... and EASILY the biggest liar.
The following URL gives the rationale for the Saddam Hussein
comparison:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.02101...@posting.google.com
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:01:05 +0000
>
>le Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:26:12 GMT, dans l'article <n7mb5vogtl0e72sv2o15hqs=
>243lr...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...=20
>
>>>> As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you are not a
>>>> racist, because you claim that I am one, you are only looking more li=
>ke
>>>> a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN words, without lying by CLAIMING
>>>> they came from somewhere else. This has become so easy. Again... YO=
>UR
>>>> words which prove you are a racist --
>
>>>Spam list of proven false allegations that are now totally irrelevant,
>>>clipped.
>
>> Hardly... all 26 PROVE that desi is a racist. Which was my purpose.
>> Objective achieved.
>
>One cannot 'prove' that which is not the case, FW. As you in fact
>acknowledged that I was not claiming the 'racist' sentiments as my own, b=
>ut
>was seeking to attribute them to you ...=20
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=3DISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=3Dal4p4v8as=
>tnc40tb22g717s9oc84oca6g1%404ax.com&lr=3D&hl=3Dfr=20
>
>>>You have lost this one, PV. Arguably you lost it the very day you hatch=
>ed
>>>this plan to deliberately present Desmond's words out of context to
>>>create the illusion of him being a racist,
>
>> Illusion???? Get real. He is a proven racist.=20
>
>'Proven' only in your 'mind' (sic), FW. Indeed, one could take your
>continual posting of the 'spam' list of 'quotes' (sic) which in fact upon
>examination, reveal conclusively that I was being facetious, or else I wa=
>s
>using satire. So in fact, the 'quotes' (sic) prove that you are lying.
>
>>> but,
>>>unquestionably, you have lost it now that you have, three times, admitt=
>ed
>>>that his reference to a certain racist term was used exclusively to
>>>attack you and not as an expression of his own views.
>
>> No.. it was simply his CLAIM that they were my feelings, but they
>> were said not ONLY to attack me...=20
>
>Which would sound slightly less hypocritical if you hadn't admitted ...
>
> 'He was NOT [sic] claiming that "philosophy" as HIS [sic] OWN [sic]...
> He was claiming it was mine.'=20
>
(url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=3DISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=3Dal4p4v8=
>astnc40tb22g717s9oc84oca6g1%404ax.com&lr=3D&hl=3Dfr)
>
>Not once, not twice, but three times. Thus to attempt to go back on your
>words, just makes you look even more of an idiot than most of what you po=
>st
>here.
>
>> but to provide him the latitude to PUT THOSE WORDS HERE.=20=20
>
>Meaningless nonsense. You cannot possibly 'know' what someone else's
>motives are. You simply hope to claim to be able to do so, in order to
>'score points'. You simply defeat your own arguments.
>
>>>Your preposterous list of quotes is now meaningless.
>
>> I don't put them here for YOU to decide what they are, sport. The
>> RATIONAL mind can clearly see through the deception of desi.=20=20
>
>The rational mind can certainly see that my use of such words is to poke
>fun at you. However, to quote the words of another poster here, in a
>private e-mail to me, 'PV is mentally ill'.=20
>
>> He ENJOYS putting up those racist slurs... but tries to cover up his
>> enjoyment,=20
>
>More meaningless nonsense. If I were 'racist', and genuinely believed in
>the theories that you seek to attribute to me, then I would not need to
>'cover up' anything, especially since my words appear in newsreaders, and
>then vanish from the Internet forever, once expired from those newsreader=
>s.=20=20
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> All it does is
>>>show instances of where certain words or terms have appeared in Desmond=
>'s
>>>posts, and nothing more.=20
>
>> I'm beginning to believe you actually SUPPORT a racist, in your
>> disagreement with me.=20=20
>
>Ah, the emotional blackmail that you tried with Donna. Let's cast our
>minds back to Wednesday 30 October 2002, around the time that FuckWit was
>lambasting J=FCrgen for not criticising me (and agreeing with him). Unab=
>le
>to get Donna to 'condemn' me for having dared to speak my mind and to
>thrash FW to within an inch of his life, he resorted to emotional
>blackmail. First, came the compliment ...=20
>
> 'Since I value your opinion'
>
>... then the accusation that Donna is not 'unbiased' as she and I have me=
>t
>in real life on a few occasions ...=20
>
> 'I can't help but detect that you wish to avoid it, having some
> connection to desi [sic]'
>
>Then came the vacuous opinion presented as fact ...=20
>
> 'Clearly, attacking the sensibilities of any reasonable person'
>
>... and then, quick as lightning, came the blackmail !!
>
> 'I have no concern for Earl's opinion whatsoever. But if you have ANY
> [sic] backbone, you will offer your feelings'
>
>See it ? First ...=20
>
>'you're a reasonable person' ...
>
>... followed by,
>
>'desi's [sic] post is offensive',
>
>... and finished off with,
>
>'Don't you agree [because if you don't, you'll be "unreasonable"] ?'
>
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=3DISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=3DGFGv9.78777%2=
>4r7.1558939%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=3D&hl=3Dfr
>
>LOL !! The posters who spank him a good 'un, are 'pedantics' (sic), and
>everyone else except John and Q. are 'unreasonable'.
>
>ROTFLMAO !!
>
>{ snip remainder of FW refusing to accept that he's been hammered snipped=
>,
> as this is getting tedious }
>
>--=20
>Desmond Coughlan |desmond @ zeouane . org
>http://www.zeouane.org/=20
>http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html
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A Planet Visitor
GENTLE READER --
JPB obviously has some rather deep-seated emotional problems. He tends
to fixate on certain subjects and people. Apparently that fixation has now
gravitated toward PV. Because I have detected the fetish JPB has for saucy
white flab. Certainly JPB does not seem to demonstrate normal behavior, as
he appears to be unable to function without some form of an obsession to keep
him occupied. But if my presence here can serve to unfetter JPB a bit from his
attachment to the _Great White Whale_, and instead focus his obsession on
me, I feel I will have accomplished some measure of having provided better
mental health for JPB.
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<n7mb5vogtl0e72sv2...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>> I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one
>> believes for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure.
>> He simply needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he
>> doesn't even bother looking for one. You will find nothing in
>> any of MY words, that would demonstrate racism on my part.
>> I have in fact, called my country a racist society, and stated that
>> we are a nation without honor until we solve the problem of
>> racism in America. Those are not the words of a racist. I have
>> in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor will
>> you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in
>> my words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the
>> use of those racial slurs. I could only be more revolted if I
>> permitted them to pass from others without pointing out they
>> are racists.
>
>Here is another PV classic. Look at the first sentence in the
>paragraph above. And what is almost the entire remainder of the
>paragraph devoted to? Precisely what that first sentence claims is
>never necessary. HA! HA!
>
Simply stating facts. Anyone who presumes that a racist would
offer tributes to Mamie Till Mobley, or Martin Luther King Jr.,
never post even one racial slur, and provide the following comment,
obviously has something to hide about HIS own racist
feelings --- My words --
"Our disenfranchised: One word again - Disgrace. We
are a nation without honor, until we fulfill our commitment
to equal rights to the LAST FULL MEASURE. We've
taken relatively baby steps in achieving equal rights in
my lifetime, IMHO. I can only hope that the next
generation does a better job than my generation has
done. My father's generation did not even pay lip
service to equal rights, lacking even an understanding
of what it MEANT. My generation has ONLY paid lip
service to equal rights. The next generation needs to
IMPLEMENT TRUE HUMAN RIGHTS." See
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=nFUM6.236758%24fs3.40067795%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
A comment I first offered almost two years ago here, and
repeated in that same form 21 more times. While from
desi all we have are his words ---
1) "Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo ass !!" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021001212904.09987.00002409%40mb-fp.aol.com
2) "'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'" Somehow it always ends up to
be a Black in his descriptions of a 'typical' robber. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8oeie1.66i.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
3) "smelly 'Jigaboo' Ausländer." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020826212933.13843.00000967%40mb-mu.aol.com
4) "I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the word 'jigaboo'"
See how it is HIS use he is not ashamed of. He admits he uses it. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212951.10684.00000093%40mb-cu.aol.com
5) "same bestial beating administered to LDB's now almost 'jigaboo' buttocks" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020924212907.06896.00002017%40mb-mv.aol.com
Any sign of him attributing that racial slur to anyone other than himself?
6) "Paris is an oasis of safety, be you jigaboo (ho, ho, ho ...) or not."
Apparently finding his use of racial insults 'funny,' and certainly implying
these are HIS OWN feelings. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021006212910.00278.00004368%40mb-md.aol.com
7) "Say, LDB ... how come your "ass" [sic] is so jigaboo these days ?' ... " See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212927.18726.00000072%40mb-fe.aol.com
Again... not bothering to even try to put his racist slogan in quotes.
8) "France (the Greatest Country on the Face of the Earth, BTW) did not 'lose' the
match against those jigaboo (*snigger*) upstarts, QZD." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020605201554.23403.00000133%40mb-fo.aol.com
Again, laughing at his use of that racist slogan.
9) "I cream in my pants when they execute a dumbfuck nigga fry black fucker," See
--
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021103212919.08236.00000659%40mb-cg.aol.com
Same old racist slogans from him.
10) "FW seems to have a masochist streak that leads him to present his 'jigaboo'
(*chuckle*) buttocks to the assembled throng on AADP and _beg_ to be spanked." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030112212942.01911.00000668%40mb-mu.aol.com
Ho hum... HIS WORDS.
11) "If we start to bring money into the equation, then we cut
overseas aid because after all, they're 'only niggers'. . . and so on." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=848250093.891.3%40maudit.demon.co.uk
Ho hum... HIS WORDS.
12) "Talking of pointy hats, Don: lynched any "niggers" lately?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=33aa5cc2.10949086%40news.pratique.fr
Just more of HIS words.
13) "Look, Chuck, the murdering niggers ... I mean, blacks who kill
in this country, get due process." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8308au.h8.desmond%40tortue.coughlan.net
Again... not even bothering to put it in quotes. HIS WORDS.
14) "or 'niggers' as they're called in his neck of the woods," See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8npdg3.4a5.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Same stuff.
15) "waiting for some delinquant (as Jigsaw would call them, 'niggers')" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8ojg49.5v9.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Ah... here he CLAIMS Jigsaw... but Jigsaw never expressed that word.
16) "it was German beer ... now, if only I could get the smell of sausage out of the
bloody bottles" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8tud5u.2dn2.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Apparently he believes all Germans "smell of sausage."
17) "Indeed, perhaps if the floods that are presently threatening Germany,
had been controlled before they swept across into Europe, from the Czech
Republic and Poland, then this fair continent would have been saved the
same fate as the smelly 'auslanders'." See -
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020821212944.09631.00000655%40mb-fc.aol.com
Racist...racist...racist...
18) Then, there was his recent remark that making favorable comments about
the past civil rights efforts of Mamie Till Mobley, as her death was reported, here
in this newsgroup was a racist comments posted by a racist. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030113200243.01707.00001214%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
19) And then his hysterical outrage that someone could possibly suggest that
MLK be recognized as having contributed to civil rights on MLK day. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030120212929.19751.00000260%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
20) "the 'onery ragheads' * that are Arabs" In fact, placing that (*) specifically
to state at the bottom, that the 'phrase' was Copyright by ME. Yet only HE
had ever used it. Certainly not ME. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212936.18726.00000083%40mb-fe.aol.com
21) "not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either, other than
that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'" Again, SPECIFICALLY attributing
it as MY 'philosophy. And this was the one you presumed was a pejorative,
yet he expressly attributed the 'words' to MY' philosophy.' I can thus
presume that YOUR philosophy is that 'Judge Zobel is a crook,' since
that is simply a pejorative... obviously you presume a double-standand. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021016212913.06142.00000353%40mb-ch.aol.com
22) "Hey, why bother, right ? They're only ragheads ... 'Arab cunts'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020921212909.09987.00001502%40mb-fp.aol.com
See any quotes around that racist slur?
23)"'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020908212925.09987.00000590%40mb-fp.aol.com
Or that one?
24) "The half-million Iraqi children who have died since the sanctions were imposed,
are, to quote LDB, 'ragheads', and thus are unimportant." Obviously, he CLEARLY
expresses that he is QUOTING me... but it is a LIE. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021113212902.00704.00001232%40mb-ba.aol.com
25) "The maniacal laughter as yet more 'ragheads' (sic) were killed in Palestine."
See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212915.18726.00000061%40mb-fe.aol.com
26) "but they were all 'ragheads' (Copyright (C) 2002 LDB)" Expressly again claiming
the term is MINE... yet it BELONGS only to him. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021115212931.11087.00001599%40mb-fi.aol.com
>> > You could search through Desmond's posts to find many occasions
>> >when he has used terms like "death penalty" and "execution". Would
>> >that prove that he is a DP supporter?
>>
>> LOL... You DO KNOW what a racial slur IS... don't YOU??? Clue...
>> it is NOT the words "death penalty" and "execution."
>
>PV, look up the word "analogy" in one of those many prestigious
>dictionaries of yours.
>
ROTFLMAO.... You expect to make a "analogy" of the use of the words
"death penalty" and "execution" with RACIST SLURS?? And you
DEFEND his words... which says more about you than I actually
care to know.
>
>> > Your original complaint was that Desmond was
>> >calling you a racist,
>>
>> Again, rubbish. My _complain_ has always been that desi is a
>> RACIST. The fact that he claims HIS racist views are mine,
>> is simply my recognition that he uses it as an EXCUSE for his
>> racism.
>
>More illogical nonsense. Every post I have ever read of Desmond's in
>which the subject of racism has been raised, he has taken the
>opportunity to attack it.
No... actually, he's taken the opportunity to WALLOW in it. He has
argued that those racist slurs have no POWER, if one uses them. But
that is because they are not directed toward HIM. Try insulting the
French even slightly, and watch him go ballistic, claiming racism is being
shown. The fact is he has no respect whatsoever for Blacks or Arabs,
and insults them routinely. And in effect, has also called the Jews, butchers.
> Sometimes he will do that in an ironic way,
>even borrowing racist terms to draw attention to, and attack, those
>who use them to express their own views. That method of communicating
>a point may be difficult for you to grasp,
Quite true... I'VE NEVER been able to grasp why someone would use
racist slurs so routinely. Considering the damage they intend to inflict on
our fellow man. Communicating in racial slurs has ALWAYS been
impossible for me to grasp. I don't find it does anything except insult
our fellow man. Of course, you are DEFENDING his use of those
racist slurs... which again says more about YOU than I care to know.
> but then, as I have told
>you before, you are not on his level.
Har de har... At least I know that there are more than six continents on our
planet.
> His debating skills & methods
>are too advanced for you and that is why you, out of frustration, find
>the need to repeatedly tell lies about him.
Some of his _debating skills have been --
Calling me a pedophile on seven separate occasions --
1) "It might have flown right over your pointy little
redneck head as said head was bobbing up and down over
Dwight-the-Altar-Boy-From-Tampa's crotch" See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=diablo-7F7BB2.00235902032002%40newsroom.utas.edu.au&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
2) "altar-boy shagging Bible-basher" See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=L7Po8.12823%24K52.2085263%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
3) "altar-boy shagging prick"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=DUTo8.16901%24K52.2590863%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
4) "a bigoted old altar-boy-shagger"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0Dbg8.11590%24j93.3613806%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
5) "you altar-boy-molesting dipshit."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=FlVf8.13270%24TV4.1933557%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
6) "Dwight the altar-boy from Wisconsin (or was he from
Tampa ? Can't remember. So many young boys, so
little time, eh, Jed ?) "
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5qzg8.20855%24j93.5666102%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
7) "Never mind, FuckWit ... you still have kiddie porn to look forward to.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OvuV9.128771%24j8.3431971%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&oe=UTF-8
Making grotesque comments in general --
1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212911.18726.00000057%40mb-fe.aol.com
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212910.18726.00000056%40mb-fe.aol.com
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212912.18726.00000058%40mb-fe.aol.com
And then these gems of his _wisdom_.
"the aircraft that crashed over Lockerbie was _not_ downed by a
bomb. It was what pilots call CAT, or Clear Air Turbulence."
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=33d0f779.1946482%40news.pratique.fr
"The Balkans are not in Europe"
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8pgk1n.em1.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
"none of the terrorists knew what was about to happen until they got onto the
aircraft"
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Ra5o8.2626%24vT5.536053%40news11-gui.server.ntli.net
"Europe has not had a war now since 1945, and in matters of morals, has
led the world for over two thousand years"
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn91gp2h.a9n.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
"Iraq has no chemical weapons."
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030212170320.05768.00000685%40mb-mh.aol.com
"There is clear evidence that the United States Air Force was
ordered to stand down on 11 September 2001."
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030209232234.19751.00001514%40mb-cu.aol.com
> It is your way of trying
>to catch up, or of compensating for what he has and you obviously
>lack. I think you are jealous of him, but I know you will never admit
>that even to yourself.
>
And I think you are angry that the _Great White Whale_ is not returning
your phone calls. But you will never admit that to yourself. Trying
sending her chocolates... that can't miss!!
>I have deliberately left this next one until last:
>
You have this habit of presuming the _big buildup_ lends some more
believability to your comments. It doesn't, you know.
>> Nor, given that I have
>> so utterly demolished you in your obsession with the _Great White
>> Whale_, does ANYONE believe you are providing anything other
>> then your own rage against me, with my having exposed your obsession.
>
>If there has ever been a more preposterous statement made in any
>newsgroup by anyone, I have not seen it. So now let's examine just a
>few facts.
Apparently you have forgotten your preposterous statement that
"Zobel certainly knows she didn't do it."
That one will rest in the annals of Usenet for quite some time.
Now... be honest with yourself JPB... hasn't your rage been focused
against me... ever since I referred to the _Great White Whale_ as
resembling a huge Camembert? Here you go... enjoy.... See
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/GreatWhiteWhale.jpg
>
>FACT 1. Since you & I first began exchanging posts on the subject of
>the LW case I have repeatedly challenged you to debate the medical
>evidence from both defence and prosecution, and you have repeatedly
>run away from doing so.
Quite untrue. You have run away from every medical principle known
to modern man... and have called every medical practioner who disagrees
with you _corrupt_ in some way or another. You have depended your
_argument_ (sic) on a defense strategy which holds not the slightest bit
of evidence of EVER happening. As the medical authorities offered --
"As physicians who specialize in the diagnosis and treatment of victims
of child abuse, we feel compelled to speak out regarding the scientific
evidence as portrayed in the trial of Louise Woodward for the murder
of eight month old Matthew Eappen. Both in the United States and in
England, media publicity surrounding the case has led to considerable
sentiment that she was convicted despite allegedly irrefutable scientific
evidence presented by the defense that the infant's injuries had
occurred days to weeks earlier. Many in the media and the public
have failed to credit the jury in this case with having had the intelligence
to understand that the prosecution put forward well established medical
evidence that overwhelmingly supported a violent shaking/impact episode
on the day in question, when Matthew was in the sole custody of Ms.
Woodward. The hypothesis put forward by the defense that minor
trauma caused a "re-bleed" of an earlier head injury can best be
characterized as inaccurate, contrary to vast clinical experience and
unsupported by any published literature. The "re-bleed" theory in infants
is a courtroom "diagnosis", not a medical diagnosis, and the jury properly
rejected it."
Of course, you always have Ainsley... ROTFLMAO.
<Ranting and raving of lies... lies...lies... clipped>
>
>And after all that and much more that I could add to it, you claim to
>have demolished my argument. You pathetic, cowardly fool.
Oh... but I have... And there is no one more pathetic, than one who
presumes to call another a coward... and presumes to call everyone
who has formed another legal and medical opinion other than the lies
he would perpetrate here, corrupt. In effect... through ALL your
hyperbole, your amour propre, your insipid hubris, your sophistry,
your maldisant accusations, your pharisee arguments (sic), your
nihilistic denial of the evidence, your disingenuous distortions, your
tautological obsession with the word _corrupt_, your puerile affection
for flab, your maladroit ramblings, your pernicious insults, and your
turbid thinking... you have remained a totally ineffective debater of
that which is beyond debate... the PROVEN guilt of the _Great
White Whale_.
> I once
>called you the Saddam Hussein of this newsgroup, because of the way
>you,
An insult from you can only be viewed as a compliment, considering
the source.
> however comprehensively you are annihilated in debates, will
>always claim to have won some great victory, believing that you can
>somehow hide your shame and embarrassment behind the claim itself. But
>you can't, because such claims can very easily be checked against the
>postings and the evidence in the archives. And those archives prove
>that you are one of the saddest and most pitiful figures in any
>newsgroup .... and EASILY the biggest liar.
>
>The following URL gives the rationale for the Saddam Hussein
>comparison:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.02101...@posting.google.com
While you have been reduced to rubble in --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CZw5a.7959%24163.334217%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
PV
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>le Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:26:12 GMT, dans l'article <n7mb5vogtl0e72sv2...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>> As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you are not a
>>>> racist, because you claim that I am one, you are only looking more like
>>>> a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN words, without lying by CLAIMING
>>>> they came from somewhere else. This has become so easy. Again... YOUR
>>>> words which prove you are a racist --
>
>>>Spam list of proven false allegations that are now totally irrelevant,
>>>clipped.
>
>> Hardly... all 26 PROVE that desi is a racist. Which was my purpose.
>> Objective achieved.
>
>One cannot 'prove' that which is not the case, FW. As you in fact
>acknowledged that I was not claiming the 'racist' sentiments as my own, but
>was seeking to attribute them to you ...
>
Oh, crap, desi. I acknowledged that you CLAIMED the 'racist' sentiment
as MINE in that post. But as the murderer CLAIMING _the other guy did
it_... YOU are still the racist. CLAIMING they are mine... when it is proven they
are not... simply makes YOU the racist.
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=al4p4v8astnc40tb22g717s9oc84oca6g1%404ax.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
And there are TWENTY-SIX of them, sport. Many not meaning anything
other than YOUR ADMITTED view. While trying to excuse your own
racism in some of them by CLAIMING it was another.
>>>You have lost this one, PV. Arguably you lost it the very day you hatched
>>>this plan to deliberately present Desmond's words out of context to
>>>create the illusion of him being a racist,
>
>> Illusion???? Get real. He is a proven racist.
>
>'Proven' only in your 'mind' (sic), FW.
No.. proven by TWENTY-SIX explicit RACIST comments of YOURS.
> Indeed, one could take your
>continual posting of the 'spam' list of 'quotes' (sic) which in fact upon
>examination, reveal conclusively that I was being facetious, or else I was
>using satire. So in fact, the 'quotes' (sic) prove that you are lying.
>
No... my quotes of YOUR words prove only that you are a racist.
And it bothers you terribly that I have continued to repeat those 26.
With a little effort on my part, I could probably double that number,
but I've certainly proved you are a racist, simply by demonstrating
those 26 racist quotes of yours. 'tis enough, 'twill serve.
>>> but,
>>>unquestionably, you have lost it now that you have, three times, admitted
>>>that his reference to a certain racist term was used exclusively to
>>>attack you and not as an expression of his own views.
>
>> No.. it was simply his CLAIM that they were my feelings, but they
>> were said not ONLY to attack me...
>
>Which would sound slightly less hypocritical if you hadn't admitted ...
>
> 'He was NOT [sic] claiming that "philosophy" as HIS [sic] OWN [sic]...
> He was claiming it was mine.'
> (url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=al4p4v8astnc40tb22g717s9oc84oca6g1%404ax.com&lr=&hl=fr)
>
>Not once, not twice, but three times. Thus to attempt to go back on your
>words, just makes you look even more of an idiot than most of what you post
>here.
>
CLAIMING!!... you imbecile. You CLAIMING doesn't mean shit... if your
claim is untrue. It simply makes YOU what you've claimed of another. And
YOUR very USE of those most offensive terms means... 'tis enough, 'twill serve.
>> but to provide him the latitude to PUT THOSE WORDS HERE.
>
>Meaningless nonsense. You cannot possibly 'know' what someone else's
>motives are. You simply hope to claim to be able to do so, in order to
>'score points'. You simply defeat your own arguments.
>
When one provides a racist slur, without the slightest sense of meaning --
The motives are crystal-clear. They are racist motives. You are a
racist... face reality, and quit trying to hide behind a silly argument of
CLAIMING... presuming that means YOU DIDN'T DO IT. Because
the WORDS ARE YOURS.
>>>Your preposterous list of quotes is now meaningless.
>
>> I don't put them here for YOU to decide what they are, sport. The
>> RATIONAL mind can clearly see through the deception of desi.
>
>The rational mind can certainly see that my use of such words is to poke
>fun at you. However, to quote the words of another poster here, in a
>private e-mail to me, 'PV is mentally ill'.
>
ROTFLMAO... 'private e-mail.' Is that the same one who told you that
Don Kool firebombed your flat? You imbecile... You bloody racist imbecile.
And what is even worse is your pathetic attempts to extract yourself FROM
YOUR OWN WORDS. You certainly cannot "poke fun at" ME. I'm
WHITE... you bloody racist imbecile. You are _poking fun at_ THOSE
Blacks and Arabs who you insult with your racist slurs. The very idea that you
presume you can "poke fun at" ME... by you BEING a racist, is simply
desi-logic at work. It's like presuming one can go out and murder, and
then believe they are _poking fun at me_ by claiming I was the murderer.
No matter how hard they try... THEY will always be the murderer.
>> He ENJOYS putting up those racist slurs... but tries to cover up his
>> enjoyment,
>
>More meaningless nonsense. If I were 'racist', and genuinely believed in
>the theories that you seek to attribute to me, then I would not need to
>'cover up' anything, especially since my words appear in newsreaders, and
>then vanish from the Internet forever, once expired from those newsreaders.
>
Your words NEVER disappear, sport. Regardless of Usenet, dolly or me.
Your words are etched in a greater sense than here. Etched in man's
inhumanity to man... that you literally WALLOW in. That's your main
psychotic problem... you think your words disappear. But they NEVER
do. They're etched in your evil soul. Usenet is NOTHING. Your
personal character is EVERYTHING. And yours is the character of a
RACIST. PROVEN. Lacking that fundamental introspective ability to
see yourself in the mirror... it is little wonder you are blind to your own
racism. In fact, the words you CLAIM come from me... do not exist
as my words in my posting history here... or in my thoughts separate
from here.
>{ snip }
>
>>> All it does is
>>>show instances of where certain words or terms have appeared in Desmond's
>>>posts, and nothing more.
>
>> I'm beginning to believe you actually SUPPORT a racist, in your
>> disagreement with me.
>
>Ah, the emotional blackmail that you tried with Donna.
It sure seems as if he IS defending racist slurs. He's certainly trying to
JUSTIFY their use by you.
> Let's cast our
>minds back to Wednesday 30 October 2002, around the time that FuckWit was
>lambasting Jürgen for not criticising me (and agreeing with him). Unable
>to get Donna to 'condemn' me for having dared to speak my mind and to
>thrash FW to within an inch of his life, he resorted to emotional
>blackmail. First, came the compliment ...
>
> 'Since I value your opinion'
Quite right.
>... then the accusation that Donna is not 'unbiased' as she and I have met
>in real life on a few occasions ...
>
> 'I can't help but detect that you wish to avoid it, having some
> connection to desi [sic]'
>
>Then came the vacuous opinion presented as fact ...
>
> 'Clearly, attacking the sensibilities of any reasonable person'
>
>... and then, quick as lightning, came the blackmail !!
>
> 'I have no concern for Earl's opinion whatsoever. But if you have ANY
> [sic] backbone, you will offer your feelings'
>
And I STILL believe that Donna lacked the backbone to denounce your
sickness in providing your links to those pictures. That has nothing to do
with the fact that I respect her opinions when SHE PROVIDES THEM.
Nor do I always AGREE with them (not very often in fact). But that's
the difference between you and me... you CANNOT respect the opinion
of someone who DISAGREES with you. You DEMAND slavish
acceptance of your views, or... as with John Rennie.. they become
'deathies,' BECAUSE they disagree with you. But when she stays silent,
I believe she rather accepts your sickness. I still believe she did so because
she sees you infrequently on an impersonal basis, and took the easier
way out. In fact, she said that "I don't read most of what Desmond
posts." Hardly a ringing endorsement to your posts, sport.
>See it ? First ...
>
>'you're a reasonable person' ...
>
>... followed by,
>
>'desi's [sic] post is offensive',
>
>... and finished off with,
>
>'Don't you agree [because if you don't, you'll be "unreasonable"] ?'
>
And that was certainly what I MEANT. If she did not agree with me,
I would find her unreasonable. You seem to believe YOU came out on
top there, desi. But the fact is she certainly did not AGREE with YOU.
She simply refused to become involved. And admitted that she didn't
care for your posts, anyway.
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=GFGv9.78777%24r7.1558939%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
<snip pathetic drivel... claiming some sort of victory re St. George Seminal
Axiom 6) again>
PV
>
>--
>Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
The words of desi in his favorite post -- "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a
matter of course. That's what they're there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much
as She gave sparrows to the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no
relevance in the real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature,
that can exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of small
animals. All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?" To seen what desi hopes to make of the retentionist --
see url:http://www.things.org/~muffy/pages/kitties/death.html and
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/sparrow.jpg
Rev. Don Kool
Desi Coughlan wrote:
> Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
[...snip...]
> Preferably not the same one that lists 'portentious' as a real word,
> 'advise' as a noun, and 'insure' where 'ensure' is meant ... ho, ho, ho.
Desi attacking someone else's English. Now that's funny!!! LOL!!
Hope this helps,
Don
--
*************************** Q: How many frenchmen does it take
* Rev. Don McDonald, SCNA * to defend Paris?
* Baltimore, MD * A: No one knows, it's never been tried.
***************************
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/oldno7/TheFrench.mpg
Just passing by
>
> GENTLE READER --
>
> JPB obviously has some rather deep-seated emotional problems. He tends
> to fixate on certain subjects and people. Apparently that fixation has now
> gravitated toward PV. Because I have detected the fetish JPB has for saucy
> white flab. Certainly JPB does not seem to demonstrate normal behavior, as
> he appears to be unable to function without some form of an obsession to keep
> him occupied. But if my presence here can serve to unfetter JPB a bit from his
> attachment to the _Great White Whale_, and instead focus his obsession on
> me, I feel I will have accomplished some measure of having provided better
> mental health for JPB.
I was not going to bother replying to this post of PV's for the simple
reason that, following the latest exposure of his lies in two
connected threads ("Military guide to Iraq 'war' (sic)" and "FW The
Lying Slimeball"), it seemed to me to be pointless trying to add
anything further to what for me has been an exercise in exposing what
a lying phoney that man is. How can one add anything to 100%? For that
is now the degree to which PV has been exposed for the bare faced liar
I and others have long argued he is. In a soccer match, the players
don't continue trying to score goals after the referee has blown the
final whistle, do they? And Desmond's opening post in the "FW The
Lying Slimeball" has now effectively blown the whistle on PV's long
campaign of lies against anyone and everyone he ever argues with in
this newsgroup.
That posting I refer to above is the only answer that ever needs to be
given to any contentious claims PV ever again makes on whatever
subject. The man is a compulsive liar and therefore nothing he ever
claims can ever again be believed or trusted. That is no longer a
matter for debate or discussion, and that is why it is no longer
necessary for anyone to provide long, detailed postings explaining how
and where he has lied about something or someone. Instead, simply
reproduce that posting of Desmond's and nobody will need any further
persuading of PV's totally dishonest nature, which, given all the
other previous examples of his lies, I for one believe is incurable.
But the reason I have responded to PV's post is to reply to just this
one sentence from the above paragraph:
> But if my presence here can serve to unfetter JPB a bit from his
> attachment to the _Great White Whale_, and instead focus his obsession on
> me, I feel I will have accomplished some measure of having provided better
> mental health for JPB.
PV, I have never been obsessed with you, but I certainly have been
quite determined to help others to expose you for what you are. This
latest in a very long line of your lies about Desmond, has now put the
matter beyond any doubt ... because you cannot erase the lies you
wrote. They will stand as a permanent reminder of the despicable liar
you are, and as a very easy and convenient means of proving that to
any unsuspecting person you ever again try to take in with your
deception and lies about people whom, unlike yourself, are capable of
arguing and debating without ever descending to your loathsome levels
of pure dishonesty.
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:16:42 +0000
>
>le Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:42:16 GMT, dans l'article
><lkae5v8h2cmk68mbe...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>>>> As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you are not a
>>>>>> racist, because you claim that I am one, you are only looking more like
>>>>>> a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN words, without lying by CLAIMING
>>>>>> they came from somewhere else. This has become so easy. Again... YOUR
>>>>>> words which prove you are a racist --
>
>>>>>Spam list of proven false allegations that are now totally irrelevant,
>>>>>clipped.
>
>>>> Hardly... all 26 PROVE that desi is a racist. Which was my purpose.
>>>> Objective achieved.
>
>>>One cannot 'prove' that which is not the case, FW. As you in fact
>>>acknowledged that I was not claiming the 'racist' sentiments as my own, but
>>>was seeking to attribute them to you ...
>
>> Oh, crap, desi. I acknowledged that you CLAIMED the 'racist' sentiment
>> as MINE in that post.
>
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=al4p4v8astnc4
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:16:33 +0000
>
>le 21 Feb 2003 09:19:05 -0800, dans l'article
><21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com>, Just passing by
><unimpre...@yahoo.com> a dit ...
>
>>> I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one believes
>>> for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure. He simply
>>> needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he doesn't even bother
>>> looking for one. You will find nothing in any of MY words, that would
>>> demonstrate racism on my part. I have in fact, called my country a
>>> racist society, and stated that we are a nation without honor until we
>>> solve the problem of racism in America. Those are not the words of a
>>> racist. I have in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor
>>> will you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in my
>>> words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the use of those racial
>>> slurs. I could only be more revolted if I permitted them to pass from
>>> others without pointing out they are racists.
>
>> Here is another PV classic. Look at the first sentence in the paragraph
>> above. And what is almost the entire remainder of the paragraph devoted
>> to? Precisely what that first sentence claims is never necessary. HA! HA!
>
>LOL !! Much as I (and, I'm sure, everyone else) is enjoying watching you
>holding FW by the pigtails, and slamming his face into the mud again, and
>again, and again, 'JPB', don't you think you could leave him alone a bit?
>Your thrashing of him is pushing him over the edge, and even _further_ into
>insanity.
>
>>> > You could search through Desmond's posts to find many occasions
>>> >when he has used terms like "death penalty" and "execution". Would that
>>> >prove that he is a DP supporter?
>
>>> LOL... You DO KNOW what a racial slur IS... don't YOU??? Clue... it is
>>> NOT the words "death penalty" and "execution."
>
>> PV, look up the word "analogy" in one of those many prestigious
>> dictionaries of yours.
>
>Preferably not the same one that lists 'portentious' as a real word,
>'advise' as a noun, and 'insure' where 'ensure' is meant ... ho, ho, ho.
>
>{ snip remainder of savage thrashing that only FW fails to see }
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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>Subject: Re: Father murderers
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wrote:
>le 21 Feb 2003 09:19:05 -0800, dans l'article <21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com>, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a dit ...
>
>>> I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one believes
>>> for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure. He simply
>>> needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he doesn't even bother
>>> looking for one. You will find nothing in any of MY words, that would
>>> demonstrate racism on my part. I have in fact, called my country a
>>> racist society, and stated that we are a nation without honor until we
>>> solve the problem of racism in America. Those are not the words of a
>>> racist. I have in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor
>>> will you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in my
>>> words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the use of those racial
>>> slurs. I could only be more revolted if I permitted them to pass from
>>> others without pointing out they are racists.
>
>> Here is another PV classic. Look at the first sentence in the paragraph
>> above. And what is almost the entire remainder of the paragraph devoted
>> to? Precisely what that first sentence claims is never necessary. HA! HA!
>
>LOL !! Much as I (and, I'm sure, everyone else) is enjoying watching you
>holding FW by the pigtails, and slamming his face into the mud again, and
>again, and again, 'JPB', don't you think you could leave him alone a bit?
>Your thrashing of him is pushing him over the edge, and even _further_ into
>insanity.
>
Just like a racist... presuming that recognizing racism in you, is somehow wrong.
When it is so certain that it has to be recognized, if we are not to accept that
heinous corruption in your words. I would presume that your _argument_ is
that NOTHING should be said, when you employ those racist slurs?
>>> > You could search through Desmond's posts to find many occasions
>>> >when he has used terms like "death penalty" and "execution". Would that
>>> >prove that he is a DP supporter?
>
>>> LOL... You DO KNOW what a racial slur IS... don't YOU??? Clue... it is
>>> NOT the words "death penalty" and "execution."
>
>> PV, look up the word "analogy" in one of those many prestigious
>> dictionaries of yours.
>
>Preferably not the same one that lists 'portentious' as a real word,
>'advise' as a noun, and 'insure' where 'ensure' is meant ... ho, ho, ho.
>
Typical racist comment. Presuming that "death penalty," and "execution"
are the same as YOUR WORDS - Which again were --
1) "Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo ass !!" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021001212904.09987.00002409%40mb-fp.aol.com
2) "'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'" Somehow it always ends up to
be a Black in his descriptions of a 'typical' robber. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8oeie1.66i.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
3) "smelly 'Jigaboo' Ausländer." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020826212933.13843.00000967%40mb-mu.aol.com
4) "I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the word 'jigaboo'"
See how it is HIS use he is not ashamed of. Admitting you use it. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212951.10684.00000093%40mb-cu.aol.com
5) "same bestial beating administered to LDB's now almost 'jigaboo' buttocks" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020924212907.06896.00002017%40mb-mv.aol.com
6) "Paris is an oasis of safety, be you jigaboo (ho, ho, ho ...) or not."
Apparently finding your use of racial insults 'funny,' and certainly implying
these are YOUR OWN feelings. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021006212910.00278.00004368%40mb-md.aol.com
7) "Say, LDB ... how come your "ass" [sic] is so jigaboo these days ?' ... " See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212927.18726.00000072%40mb-fe.aol.com
Again... not bothering to even try to put his racist slogan in quotes.
8) "France (the Greatest Country on the Face of the Earth, BTW) did not 'lose' the
match against those jigaboo (*snigger*) upstarts, QZD." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020605201554.23403.00000133%40mb-fo.aol.com
Again, laughing at your use of that racist slogan.
9) "I cream in my pants when they execute a dumbfuck nigga fry black fucker," See
--
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021103212919.08236.00000659%40mb-cg.aol.com
Same old racist slogans from you.
10) "FW seems to have a masochist streak that leads him to present his 'jigaboo'
(*chuckle*) buttocks to the assembled throng on AADP and _beg_ to be spanked." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030112212942.01911.00000668%40mb-mu.aol.com
Ho hum... YOUR WORDS.
11) "If we start to bring money into the equation, then we cut
overseas aid because after all, they're 'only niggers'. . . and so on." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=848250093.891.3%40maudit.demon.co.uk
Ho hum... YOUR WORDS.
12) "Talking of pointy hats, Don: lynched any "niggers" lately?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=33aa5cc2.10949086%40news.pratique.fr
Just more of YOUR words.
13) "Look, Chuck, the murdering niggers ... I mean, blacks who kill
in this country, get due process." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8308au.h8.desmond%40tortue.coughlan.net
Again... not even bothering to put it in quotes. YOUR WORDS.
14) "or 'niggers' as they're called in his neck of the woods," See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8npdg3.4a5.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Same stuff.
15) "waiting for some delinquant (as Jigsaw would call them, 'niggers')" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8ojg49.5v9.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Ah... here you CLAIM Jigsaw... but Jigsaw never expressed that word.
16) "it was German beer ... now, if only I could get the smell of sausage out of the
bloody bottles" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8tud5u.2dn2.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Apparently you believe all Germans "smell of sausage."
17) "Indeed, perhaps if the floods that are presently threatening Germany,
had been controlled before they swept across into Europe, from the Czech
Republic and Poland, then this fair continent would have been saved the
same fate as the smelly 'auslanders'." See -
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020821212944.09631.00000655%40mb-fc.aol.com
Racist...racist...racist...
18) Then, there was your recent remark that making favorable comments about
the past civil rights efforts of Mamie Till Mobley, as her death was reported, here
in this newsgroup was a racist comments posted by a racist. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030113200243.01707.00001214%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
19) And then your hysterical outrage that someone could possibly suggest that
MLK be recognized as having contributed to civil rights on MLK day. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030120212929.19751.00000260%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
20) "the 'onery ragheads' * that are Arabs" In fact, placing that (*) specifically
to state at the bottom, that the 'phrase' was Copyright by ME. Yet only YOU
had ever used it. Certainly not ME. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212936.18726.00000083%40mb-fe.aol.com
21) "not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either, other than
that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'" Again, SPECIFICALLY attributing
it as MY _philosophy_. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021016212913.06142.00000353%40mb-ch.aol.com
22) "Hey, why bother, right ? They're only ragheads ... 'Arab cunts'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020921212909.09987.00001502%40mb-fp.aol.com
See any quotes around that racist slur?
23)"'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020908212925.09987.00000590%40mb-fp.aol.com
Or that one?
24) "The half-million Iraqi children who have died since the sanctions were imposed,
are, to quote LDB, 'ragheads', and thus are unimportant." Obviously, he CLEARLY
expresses that he is QUOTING me... but it is a LIE. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021113212902.00704.00001232%40mb-ba.aol.com
25) "The maniacal laughter as yet more 'ragheads' (sic) were killed in Palestine."
See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212915.18726.00000061%40mb-fe.aol.com
26) "but they were all 'ragheads' (Copyright (C) 2002 LDB)" Expressly again claiming
the term is MINE... yet it BELONGS only to YOU. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021115212931.11087.00001599%40mb-fi.aol.com
>{ snip remainder of savage thrashing that only FW fails to see }
>
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>le Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:42:16 GMT, dans l'article <lkae5v8h2cmk68mbe...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>>>> As long as you keep denying... using the argument that you are not a
>>>>>> racist, because you claim that I am one, you are only looking more like
>>>>>> a racist. Unable to defend YOUR OWN words, without lying by CLAIMING
>>>>>> they came from somewhere else. This has become so easy. Again... YOUR
>>>>>> words which prove you are a racist --
>
>>>>>Spam list of proven false allegations that are now totally irrelevant,
>>>>>clipped.
>
>>>> Hardly... all 26 PROVE that desi is a racist. Which was my purpose.
>>>> Objective achieved.
>
>>>One cannot 'prove' that which is not the case, FW. As you in fact
>>>acknowledged that I was not claiming the 'racist' sentiments as my own, but
>>>was seeking to attribute them to you ...
>
>> Oh, crap, desi. I acknowledged that you CLAIMED the 'racist' sentiment
>> as MINE in that post.
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=al4p4v8astnc40tb22g717s9oc84oca6g1%404ax.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Yes... thank you for providing a post that shows the thoughts expressed in
your racist posts are YOUR thoughts... which you tried to CLAIM were my
thoughts. Just as a murderer might try to claim that another person had committed
the murder -- My words in that post --
---------------------------------------------
"LOL... Since no one before him here had used those words, they ARE HIS
THOUGHTS. And he has attributed them to ME, as my 'philosophy,' yet
I've never used that racist phrase... nor would it even come to my mind...
but it seems to DOMINATE the thinking of desi, as he always uses it, and
tries to imply it comes from elsewhere. How can you possibly say _his words
are not his thoughts_? His words ARE his thoughts."
>{ snip toe-curlingly badly written gobshite }
>
TRANSLATION -- "Oops... PV did it to me again... damn..."
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:13:30 +0000
>
>le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:36:37 GMT, dans l'article
><3mfg5vos897ctttec...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>>> I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one believes
>>>>> for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure. He simply
>>>>> needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he doesn't even bother
>>>>> looking for one. You will find nothing in any of MY words, that would
>>>>> demonstrate racism on my part. I have in fact, called my country a
>>>>> racist society, and stated that we are a nation without honor until we
>>>>> solve the problem of racism in America. Those are not the words of a
>>>>> racist. I have in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor
>>>>> will you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in my
>>>>> words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the use of those
>>>>> racial slurs. I could only be more revolted if I permitted them to
>>>>> pass from others without pointing out they are racists.
>
>>>> Here is another PV classic. Look at the first sentence in the paragraph
>>>> above. And what is almost the entire remainder of the paragraph devoted
>>>> to? Precisely what that first sentence claims is never necessary. HA!
>>>> HA!
>
>>>LOL !! Much as I (and, I'm sure, everyone else) is enjoying watching you
>>>holding FW by the pigtails, and slamming his face into the mud again, and
>>>again, and again, 'JPB', don't you think you could leave him alone a bit?
>>>Your thrashing of him is pushing him over the edge, and even _further_
>>>into insanity.
>
>> Just like a racist... presuming that recognizing racism in you, is
>> somehow wrong.
>
>LMAO !! I mention insanity, and FuckWit has to go and prove my point in
>his very first sentence !! ROTFLMAO !!
>
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Dolly Coughlan Jr, the legend continues!
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<ppmd5vgufou7f5813...@4ax.com>...
>
>>
>> GENTLE READER --
>>
>> JPB obviously has some rather deep-seated emotional problems. He tends
>> to fixate on certain subjects and people. Apparently that fixation has now
>> gravitated toward PV. Because I have detected the fetish JPB has for saucy
>> white flab. Certainly JPB does not seem to demonstrate normal behavior, as
>> he appears to be unable to function without some form of an obsession to keep
>> him occupied. But if my presence here can serve to unfetter JPB a bit from his
>> attachment to the _Great White Whale_, and instead focus his obsession on
>> me, I feel I will have accomplished some measure of having provided better
>> mental health for JPB.
>
>I was not going to bother replying to this post of PV's for the simple
>reason that, following the latest exposure of his lies in two
>connected threads ("Military guide to Iraq 'war' (sic)" and "FW The
>Lying Slimeball"), it seemed to me to be pointless trying to add
>anything further to what for me has been an exercise in exposing what
>a lying phoney that man is.
Actually, there was NO WAY that you were "not going to bother
replying," sport. Your obsession is much too deep to EVER presume
you would ACTUALLY not _bother_. And I can guarantee that you
will _bother_ to respond to this post of mine, as well.
> How can one add anything to 100%? For that
>is now the degree to which PV has been exposed for the bare faced liar
>I and others have long argued he is. In a soccer match, the players
>don't continue trying to score goals after the referee has blown the
>final whistle, do they? And Desmond's opening post in the "FW The
>Lying Slimeball" has now effectively blown the whistle on PV's long
>campaign of lies against anyone and everyone he ever argues with in
>this newsgroup.
>
What is especially revealing is that YOU have taken the side of someone
who disgorges racist insults as easily as a child gurgles after being
breast fed.
>That posting I refer to above is the only answer that ever needs to be
>given to any contentious claims PV ever again makes on whatever
>subject. The man is a compulsive liar and therefore nothing he ever
>claims can ever again be believed or trusted.
The fact that you cannot see racism in desi's words... says more about
YOU, than it does about me. That you cannot see that... is especially
sad to me. You have let your rage against me, in respect to another
battle you have lost... blind you to racism.
> That is no longer a
>matter for debate or discussion, and that is why it is no longer
>necessary for anyone to provide long, detailed postings explaining how
>and where he has lied about something or someone. Instead, simply
>reproduce that posting of Desmond's and nobody will need any further
>persuading of PV's totally dishonest nature, which, given all the
>other previous examples of his lies, I for one believe is incurable.
>
Actually, you have not really examined the entire thread of "MLK Day,"
that I began as a tribute to MLK, on the day this year that we paid
tribute in the U.S., to his contributions to civil rights, Jan 20, 2002.
If you had you would have seen his response was directed to the
ONLY person in this group to recognize that day. Had I not done
so... it would have GONE unnoticed. But desi SEIZED on the
opportunity of my having recognized MLK's contributions, to INSULT
the very essence of MLK. He is a sick fuck... make no mistake about
it. A sick...racist...fuck. And I do not use that obscene word lightly.
Rather than concentrate on defending desi's attack on me, perhaps
YOU would like to find something wrong with MY comment which
began that thread --- MY comment was --
"What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us."
Obviously, desi did some _inward contemplation_, and decided he
would attack a comment meant as a tribute to that civil rights leader.
You may presume he was _attacking_ ME, but the fact is he was
_attacking_ THE WORDS. Now do YOU also attack THE WORDS?
>But the reason I have responded to PV's post is to reply to just this
>one sentence from the above paragraph:
>
>> But if my presence here can serve to unfetter JPB a bit from his
>> attachment to the _Great White Whale_, and instead focus his obsession on
>> me, I feel I will have accomplished some measure of having provided better
>> mental health for JPB.
>
Apparently it has worked, since you seem to be more obsessed with
defending desi, than you were obsessed with defending the _Great
White Whale_. You have this strange way of picking _causes_ you
like to support. First a murderer.... now a racist. As I said... a little
introspection on your part would do you a world of good... since your
passions seem to be badly misdirected.
>PV, I have never been obsessed with you,
JPB... just because you _have one_, doesn't mean you have to
_be one_. Of course you're obsessed with me. Just as I'm obsessed
with desi. For different reasons, of course. You're obsessed with me,
because I've made you look like a fool. I'm obsessed with desi because
he is a fool.
> but I certainly have been
>quite determined to help others to expose you for what you are.
Strange, that you would support a racist to expose me for exposing
that racist.
> This
>latest in a very long line of your lies about Desmond, has now put the
>matter beyond any doubt ... because you cannot erase the lies you
>wrote.
Actually you have admitted that desi was the one posting lies, with
his racist comments, that you defended because you argued that he
CLAIMED they were mine. Since you will NEVER find those racist
comments from ME, in my entire posting history. These again were
desi's words... not mine.
1) "Gimmie da money, honkey mothafucka, oh ah toast yo ass !!" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021001212904.09987.00002409%40mb-fp.aol.com
2) "'Gimme da dough, mothafucka o ah toast yo ass !!'" Somehow it always
ends up to be a Black in his descriptions of a 'typical' robber. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8oeie1.66i.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
3) "smelly 'Jigaboo' Ausländer." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020826212933.13843.00000967%40mb-mu.aol.com
4) "I even 'tweaked' your nose a few days back, by using the word 'jigaboo'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212951.10684.00000093%40mb-cu.aol.com
5) "same bestial beating administered to LDB's now almost 'jigaboo' buttocks" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020924212907.06896.00002017%40mb-mv.aol.com
6) "Paris is an oasis of safety, be you jigaboo (ho, ho, ho ...) or not."
Apparently finding his use of racial insults 'funny.' See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021006212910.00278.00004368%40mb-md.aol.com
7) "Say, LDB ... how come your "ass" [sic] is so jigaboo these days ?' ... " See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212927.18726.00000072%40mb-fe.aol.com
8) "France (the Greatest Country on the Face of the Earth, BTW) did not 'lose' the
match against those jigaboo (*snigger*) upstarts, QZD." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020605201554.23403.00000133%40mb-fo.aol.com
9) "I cream in my pants when they execute a dumbfuck nigga fry black fucker," See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021103212919.08236.00000659%40mb-cg.aol.com
10) "FW seems to have a masochist streak that leads him to present his 'jigaboo'
(*chuckle*) buttocks to the assembled throng on AADP and _beg_ to be spanked." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030112212942.01911.00000668%40mb-mu.aol.com
11) "If we start to bring money into the equation, then we cut overseas aid because
after all, they're 'only niggers'. . . and so on." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=848250093.891.3%40maudit.demon.co.uk
12) "Talking of pointy hats, Don: lynched any "niggers" lately?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=33aa5cc2.10949086%40news.pratique.fr
13) "Look, Chuck, the murdering niggers ... I mean, blacks who kill
in this country, get due process." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8308au.h8.desmond%40tortue.coughlan.net
14) "or 'niggers' as they're called in his neck of the woods," See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8npdg3.4a5.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
15) "waiting for some delinquant (as Jigsaw would call them, 'niggers')" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8ojg49.5v9.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
16) "it was German beer ... now, if only I could get the smell of sausage out of the
bloody bottles" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8tud5u.2dn2.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
17) "Indeed, perhaps if the floods that are presently threatening Germany,
had been controlled before they swept across into Europe, from the Czech
Republic and Poland, then this fair continent would have been saved the
same fate as the smelly 'auslanders'." See -
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020821212944.09631.00000655%40mb-fc.aol.com
18) Then, there was his recent remark that making favorable comments about
the past civil rights efforts of Mamie Till Mobley, as her death was reported, here
in this newsgroup was a racist comments posted by a racist. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030113200243.01707.00001214%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
19) And then his hysterical outrage that someone could possibly suggest that
MLK be recognized as having contributed to civil rights on MLK day. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030120212929.19751.00000260%40mb-cu.aol.com&oe=UTF-8
20) "the 'onery ragheads' * that are Arabs" In fact, placing that (*) specifically
to state at the bottom, that the 'phrase' was Copyright by ME. Yet only HE
had ever used it. Certainly not ME. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212936.18726.00000083%40mb-fe.aol.com
21) "not that Iraq has anything to do with al'Queda either, other than
that it's ruled by 'filthy ragheads'" Again, SPECIFICALLY attributing
it as MY 'philosophy. And this was the one you presumed was a pejorative,
yet he expressly attributed the 'words' to MY' philosophy.' I can thus
presume that YOUR philosophy is that 'Judge Zobel is a crook,' since
that is simply a pejorative... obviously you presume a double-standand. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021016212913.06142.00000353%40mb-ch.aol.com
22) "Hey, why bother, right ? They're only ragheads ... 'Arab cunts'" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020921212909.09987.00001502%40mb-fp.aol.com
23)"'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?" See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020908212925.09987.00000590%40mb-fp.aol.com
24) "The half-million Iraqi children who have died since the sanctions were imposed,
are, to quote LDB, 'ragheads', and thus are unimportant." Obviously, he CLEARLY
expresses that he is QUOTING me... but it is a LIE. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021113212902.00704.00001232%40mb-ba.aol.com
25) "The maniacal laughter as yet more 'ragheads' (sic) were killed in Palestine."
See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212915.18726.00000061%40mb-fe.aol.com
26) "but they were all 'ragheads' (Copyright (C) 2002 LDB)" Expressly again claiming
the term is MINE... yet it BELONGS only to him. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021115212931.11087.00001599%40mb-fi.aol.com
His comments are so overwhelming proof of his racism, that it can ONLY
be your obsession with ME, that would have you DEFENDING a racist.
And as for the reason I offer this proof of racism so often... it can be found
in the words of Edmund Burke -- "All that is essential for the triumph of evil is
that good men do nothing."
> They will stand as a permanent reminder of the despicable liar
>you are, and as a very easy and convenient means of proving that to
>any unsuspecting person you ever again try to take in with your
>deception and lies about people whom, unlike yourself, are capable of
>arguing and debating without ever descending to your loathsome levels
>of pure dishonesty.
You sad, unwitting accomplice to evil. All because you dislike ME.
The same reason why desi opened himself up as the racist he is when
he responded to my praise of the works of MLK. Every man's words
are a portrait of himself. desi has painted himself as a satanic racist.
And you would step back, examine that picture... and remark --> what
a beautiful picture you have painted of yourself, desi.
Regardless of any resentment toward me, for having so totally laid waste
to your flimsy arguments concerning the _Great White Whale_, you
REALLY need to apologize to the collective membership of this group,
for letting your anger with me, overrule your common sense to such a
degree that you now appear to SUPPORT racist slurs. Or do you
still agree that the words desi used do not constitute racial slurs?
Or you can now return to slobbering over desi's racist comments.
The choice is yours.
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>le Sun, 23 Feb 2003 03:36:37 GMT, dans l'article <3mfg5vos897ctttec...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>>> I've never found it necessary to defend myself. Since no one believes
>>>>> for one moment I am a racist. Not even desi, I am sure. He simply
>>>>> needs an EXCUSE to BE a racist. Sometimes he doesn't even bother
>>>>> looking for one. You will find nothing in any of MY words, that would
>>>>> demonstrate racism on my part. I have in fact, called my country a
>>>>> racist society, and stated that we are a nation without honor until we
>>>>> solve the problem of racism in America. Those are not the words of a
>>>>> racist. I have in fact, been called TOO PC, in respect to racism. Nor
>>>>> will you find ANY words from me, that desi has tried to place in my
>>>>> words here. NONE... NOT ONE. I am revolted by the use of those
>>>>> racial slurs. I could only be more revolted if I permitted them to
>>>>> pass from others without pointing out they are racists.
>
>>>> Here is another PV classic. Look at the first sentence in the paragraph
>>>> above. And what is almost the entire remainder of the paragraph devoted
>>>> to? Precisely what that first sentence claims is never necessary. HA!
>>>> HA!
>
>>>LOL !! Much as I (and, I'm sure, everyone else) is enjoying watching you
>>>holding FW by the pigtails, and slamming his face into the mud again, and
>>>again, and again, 'JPB', don't you think you could leave him alone a bit?
>>>Your thrashing of him is pushing him over the edge, and even _further_
>>>into insanity.
>
>> Just like a racist... presuming that recognizing racism in you, is
>> somehow wrong.
>
>LMAO !! I mention insanity, and FuckWit has to go and prove my point in
>his very first sentence !! ROTFLMAO !!
>
You presuming that it is 'insanity' to attack racism, is simply more evidence
of your racism. Jesus... but you are stupid. You continue to prove the
old adage that people who know the very least seem to know it the loudest.
>{ snip spam }
>
spam??? I would never have believed even you could be such a simpleton.
PV
>--
>Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/obsessive_litany.html Am
I obsessed with fighting 'evil'? Damn... I'm 'Superman' when
it comes to fighting desi's 'forces of evil.' References to
a post which insightfully pronounced of desi -- "'Cancerous'
is almost a compliment when one views most of desi's
comments -- other forms spring more easily to mind -- it is
a parasitic diarrhea of the brain... it is crazy chick
disease transferred to our thinking process -- it is a swarm
of latrine flies settling on our ability to process
information --- it is maggots feasting on the bodies of
numberless victims of murder. It is madness. utter madness.
It is Desmond Coughlan." Every evil, vile thought that has
ever swept across this group from desi's pen, as Genghis
Kahn (or Attila the Hun, if you prefer) swept his broad
scythe of rape, death and destruction, in long, broad,
excruciating strokes across the face of humanity, stand as
stark images of his perverse character. And we stand witness
to that depravity.
Just passing by
>
> Actually, there was NO WAY that you were "not going to bother
> replying," sport. Your obsession is much too deep to EVER presume
> you would ACTUALLY not _bother_. And I can guarantee that you
> will _bother_ to respond to this post of mine, as well.
That was then and this is now. I no longer need to put together those
long (boring?) posts exposing you as the compulsive liar you most
definitely are. I no longer have to hope that people will have the
time & patience to follow all the links and to study all the
inter-connecting evidence I was providing of your lies. You have now
made it possible for me to replace all that with this:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com
It no longer matters what you write or how much spam you paste.
Nothing you say needs to be directly responded to again. Nobody
believes anything compulsive liars have to say once the necessary
conclusive proof of their lies has been provided. The above link IS
that conclusive proof. Goodbye, PV.
____________________________
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<afki5vomg7dlbnm24...@4ax.com>...
>
>>
>> Actually, there was NO WAY that you were "not going to bother
>> replying," sport. Your obsession is much too deep to EVER presume
>> you would ACTUALLY not _bother_. And I can guarantee that you
>> will _bother_ to respond to this post of mine, as well.
>
>That was then and this is now. I no longer need to put together those
>long (boring?) posts exposing you as the compulsive liar you most
>definitely are.
TRANSLATION -- "You got me, PV... I could NOT overcome my
obsession and not respond. I will now put together a long, boring post,
further proving that I have a chemical imbalance in my brain, which
affects my mental processes which would permit me to identify murderers
and racists for what they are."
> I no longer have to hope that people will have the
>time & patience to follow all the links and to study all the
>inter-connecting evidence I was providing of your lies. You have now
>made it possible for me to replace all that with this:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com
>
>It no longer matters what you write or how much spam you paste.
>Nothing you say needs to be directly responded to again. Nobody
>believes anything compulsive liars have to say once the necessary
>conclusive proof of their lies has been provided. The above link IS
>that conclusive proof. Goodbye, PV.
>
Oh, yeah... Anyone believing it's "goodby, PV," is totally unaware of
the chemical imbalance in your brain. And in fact the post you offer above
was quite eloquently DESTROYED, piece by racist piece in my devastating
rebuttal, found at --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ebdj5v4pbvrfbmotuqndkm7omvhklj56d0%404ax.com
And I will repeat here at the top -- what was at the bottom of this post
addressed to you, that you have probably not even bothered to examine --
Desi's comments are so overwhelming proof of his racism, that it can ONLY
be your obsession with ME, that would have you DEFENDING a racist.
And as for the reason I offer this proof of racism so often... it can be found
in the words of Edmund Burke -- "All that is essential for the triumph of evil is
that good men do nothing."
You are a sad, unwitting accomplice to evil. All because you dislike ME.
The same reason why desi opened himself up as the racist he is when
he responded to my praise of the works of MLK. Every man's words
are a portrait of himself. desi has painted himself as a satanic racist.
And you would step back, examine that picture... and remark --> what
a beautiful picture you have painted of yourself, desi.
Regardless of any resentment toward me, for having so totally laid waste
to your flimsy arguments concerning the _Great White Whale_, you
REALLY need to apologize to the collective membership of this group,
for letting your anger with me, overrule your common sense to such a
degree that you now appear to SUPPORT racist slurs. Or do you
still agree that the words desi used do not constitute racial slurs?
A question which STILL remains unanswered from you.
Or you can now return to slobbering over desi's racist comments.
The choice is yours.
>>
<clipped and placed at top>
PV
Just passing by
< Spam clipped >
PV, the fact that you have still not quite grasped this entirely new
situation that has emerged as a result of your lies about Desmond's
MLK post, and the fact that they can now so easily be proven, must, I
imagine, be related to this question of your sanity which I briefly
referred to in another thread yesterday.
That nobody who has seen the said lies can ever again believe anything
you tell them must surely now be beyond doubt, but whether they can
even take you, personally, seriously, must also be in question after
you wrote this:
"One wonders... if there is a God... why no thunderclaps and
windstorms, no driving pellets of hail and brimstone, and no upheavals
of the earth are brought down on desi? Why doesn't the will of God
descend in virtue to silence his wicked crimes against man and nature?
And why has he found a henchman to play on a satyr flute that his
words are not cancerous and baneful? Plainly, Satan has shown his
malefic form here in _desi the deil_.... and just as plainly JPB has
simply become his emotionally stunted and misshapen, goblin follower.
Frankly, they both demonstrate that evil is a disease of mankind that
will not be easily eradicated." (A Planet Visitor, Feb. 22, 2003)
How can anyone be expected to take seriously a man who is unable to
separate his postings to this newsgroup from the entry he submitted to
a competition to find the next Bram Stoker?
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
> news:<d04m5vkurnhg36spg...@4ax.com>...
> "One wonders... if there is a God... why no thunderclaps and
> windstorms, no driving pellets of hail and brimstone, and no upheavals
> of the earth are brought down on desi? Why doesn't the will of God
> descend in virtue to silence his wicked crimes against man and nature?
> And why has he found a henchman to play on a satyr flute that his
> words are not cancerous and baneful? Plainly, Satan has shown his
> malefic form here in _desi the deil_.... and just as plainly JPB has
> simply become his emotionally stunted and misshapen, goblin follower.
> Frankly, they both demonstrate that evil is a disease of mankind that
> will not be easily eradicated." (A Planet Visitor, Feb. 22, 2003)
>
> How can anyone be expected to take seriously a man who is unable to
> separate his postings to this newsgroup from the entry he submitted to
> a competition to find the next Bram Stoker?
Holy cow! I'm glad that I only pay passing interest to these exchanges.
That prose was so purple you could make a Monsignor's bib out of it (RCs
will know what I mean).
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<d04m5vkurnhg36spg...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>< Spam clipped >
>
>PV, the fact that you have still not quite grasped this entirely new
>situation that has emerged as a result of your lies about Desmond's
>MLK post, and the fact that they can now so easily be proven, must, I
>imagine, be related to this question of your sanity which I briefly
>referred to in another thread yesterday.
>
ROTFLMAO. Anyone who reads desi's disgusting comment which
insults the man, the works, and the memory of MLK, who does not
come away with the same sickening feeling in the pit of their stomach
that I feel... has lost his moral sanity... not me, sport.
>That nobody who has seen the said lies can ever again believe anything
>you tell them must surely now be beyond doubt, but whether they can
>even take you, personally, seriously, must also be in question after
>you wrote this:
>
And I meant every word of it. If there IS a God... there is the
certainty that He will examine racism as closely associated with
any act which Man has developed as a crime. It is a crime against
nature... it is a return to slavery... it is an abomination of the human
spirit. Anyone who would MINIMIZE or TRIVIALIZE the words
of desi... as he INSULTED MLK, his works, and his memory,
deserves nothing but my disgust.
>"One wonders... if there is a God... why no thunderclaps and
>windstorms, no driving pellets of hail and brimstone, and no upheavals
>of the earth are brought down on desi? Why doesn't the will of God
>descend in virtue to silence his wicked crimes against man and nature?
>And why has he found a henchman to play on a satyr flute that his
>words are not cancerous and baneful? Plainly, Satan has shown his
>malefic form here in _desi the deil_.... and just as plainly JPB has
>simply become his emotionally stunted and misshapen, goblin follower.
>Frankly, they both demonstrate that evil is a disease of mankind that
>will not be easily eradicated." (A Planet Visitor, Feb. 22, 2003)
>
>How can anyone be expected to take seriously a man who is unable to
>separate his postings to this newsgroup from the entry he submitted to
>a competition to find the next Bram Stoker?
Obviously, you have chosen to support a racist. That is not MY problem.
It is yours. If you choose to hobble along behind him, you will have
to answer to what you do. Not to me. But to yourself. And perhaps
to another at some later date.
But if you wish to see words from AADP's Bram Stroker --- examine
these of desi --
) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212911.18726.00000057%40mb-fe.aol.com
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212910.18726.00000056%40mb-fe.aol.com
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212912.18726.00000058%40mb-fe.aol.com
And then reread his insulting dialog offered in response to a tribute to
Martin Luther King Jr. That is the irrational voice that you would hitch
your _morality_ to.
PV
A Planet Visitor
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
>In article <21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com>,
>unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
>
>> A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
>> news:<d04m5vkurnhg36spg...@4ax.com>...
>
>> "One wonders... if there is a God... why no thunderclaps and
>> windstorms, no driving pellets of hail and brimstone, and no upheavals
>> of the earth are brought down on desi? Why doesn't the will of God
>> descend in virtue to silence his wicked crimes against man and nature?
>> And why has he found a henchman to play on a satyr flute that his
>> words are not cancerous and baneful? Plainly, Satan has shown his
>> malefic form here in _desi the deil_.... and just as plainly JPB has
>> simply become his emotionally stunted and misshapen, goblin follower.
>> Frankly, they both demonstrate that evil is a disease of mankind that
>> will not be easily eradicated." (A Planet Visitor, Feb. 22, 2003)
>>
>> How can anyone be expected to take seriously a man who is unable to
>> separate his postings to this newsgroup from the entry he submitted to
>> a competition to find the next Bram Stoker?
>
>Holy cow! I'm glad that I only pay passing interest to these exchanges.
>That prose was so purple you could make a Monsignor's bib out of it (RCs
>will know what I mean).
>
I think my words are MILD compared to some of those from desi, who
presumes it is okay for abolitionists to treat ALL retentionists as the domestic
cat treats the sparrow. While my comment was directed against only TWO
individual posters here. Some of desi's comments directed against ALL
retentionists --
1) 1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212911.18726.00000057%40mb-fe.aol.com
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212910.18726.00000056%40mb-fe.aol.com
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20021024212912.18726.00000058%40mb-fe.aol.com
The last comment being his sickening EXCUSE for him having driven
Richard temporarily from this group. And which rather concludes that
Dan Hogg is not a _reasonable_ retentionist.
And then, of course, his view that it is better that our entire species be
destroyed, rather than one innocent be executed, while it is recognized
that about 40,000 of our species are killed in the U.S. alone in traffic
fatalities every year... and a large portion of THEM are innocent.
Yet I am sure he has no problem with the State providing driving privileges
which allow MANY innocents to be killed, every day in those
accidents. Coupled with the fact that ALL murder victims are INNOCENT
VICTIMS. His words --
"I would rather see the extinction of the human race, than allow one innocent to
be put to death by the state." See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=87wvtkfeg2.fsf%40lievre.coughlan.fr
Apparently he finds nothing wrong with murder... but a great deal wrong with
executions by the state.
PV
Just passing by
< Everything clipped - and why not? >
This matter of PV's MLK posting and Desmond's reply to it has now been
running for several weeks, having been recently recharged by PV's
(failed) attempt to fool everyone by deliberately changing Desmond's
words. I do not intend to continue posting messages covering the same
ground over and over again, and so perhaps I should make this my
parting shot ....... at least for the time being.
When you think about it, it was inevitable that PV would go totally
overboard with his lies about Desmond's reply to his MLK post. Given
both his dishonest nature and his insecure mental state, PV could do
nothing else - he had to lie.
Let's be in no doubt: that reply of Desmond's knocked the stuffing out
of PV. Even by the normal standards of Desmond's attacks on PV, that
one was particularly ruthless. PV knows, whenever he opens one of
Desmond's replies to him, that what he is about to read is going to be
far from complimentary. He knows what to expect and has, by now,
become hardened to it. But that one was different. PV was totally
unprepared for what he read in that reply. Read his own follow-up post
and see the clear frustration and uncontrolled rage evident in his
words. One can only imagine the emotional state PV was in immediately
after reading that post, and for some considerable time afterwards. It
can't have been a pleasant sight to behold.
That reply of Desmond's has severely, and probably permanently,
wounded PV. Far more than I have ever wounded him by exposing his
lies, cowardice and ignorance, and perhaps even more than even Desmond
himself has done in the past. So badly wounded and weakened was PV
that he felt unable to fight back on his own. He needed friends &
allies to join him, to fight alongside him, such was the size of the
task PV felt unable to face alone.
But finding those allies would be no easy task. PV knew that simply
playing the poor innocent victim, in the hope of attracting the
sympathy vote, was unlikely to succeed. So instead he tried to
persuade people that they too were under attack from Desmond. His lie
about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to MLK, was
his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about
us all. Let's join together and fight back."
And more evidence of that same underlying insecurity of PV's can be
seen when he writes: " ... you REALLY need to apologize to the
collective membership of this group," revealing again that he cannot
admit, even to himself, that he, and he alone, was the target of
Desmond's original attack, and of all subsequent attacks on his own
lies. PV has often boasted that he neither needs nor wants friends &
allies in this newsgroup, but this episode has proved that to be
untrue.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<r3mo5vs8lorhol56u...@4ax.com>...
>
>
>< Everything clipped - and why not? >
>
Sure... why not... you couldn't refute it anyway. Hey... it doesn't bother ME
that you support a racist. I have nothing to be ashamed of... since I'm not a
racist. But just so OTHERS can make THEIR judgment -- let's put it back
in, shall we?? -- With my words responding to your words, which are
led by a '>'.
/quote/
--------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
/unquote/
>
>This matter of PV's MLK posting and Desmond's reply to it has now been
>running for several weeks, having been recently recharged by PV's
>(failed) attempt to fool everyone by deliberately changing Desmond's
>words.
Lying sack of shit.
> I do not intend to continue posting messages covering the same
>ground over and over again, and so perhaps I should make this my
>parting shot ....... at least for the time being.
>
You mean your _parting shit_. This is not the first time you have
claimed it _is the last time_. Odds on... you will reply to this post.
>When you think about it, it was inevitable that PV would go totally
>overboard with his lies about Desmond's reply to his MLK post. Given
>both his dishonest nature and his insecure mental state, PV could do
>nothing else - he had to lie.
>
Never did that at all. Although I've seen you try.
>Let's be in no doubt: that reply of Desmond's knocked the stuffing out
>of PV. Even by the normal standards of Desmond's attacks on PV, that
>one was particularly ruthless. PV knows, whenever he opens one of
>Desmond's replies to him, that what he is about to read is going to be
>far from complimentary. He knows what to expect and has, by now,
>become hardened to it. But that one was different. PV was totally
>unprepared for what he read in that reply. Read his own follow-up post
>and see the clear frustration and uncontrolled rage evident in his
>words.
I always become enraged when I see racism. That is the difference
between you and I. You will easily overlook it.... if it happens to
come from someone who is the enemy of your enemy. You have
no moral backbone whatsoever. Which has been rather obvious to
me even before you supported desi's racism.
> One can only imagine the emotional state PV was in immediately
>after reading that post, and for some considerable time afterwards. It
>can't have been a pleasant sight to behold.
>
Quite right. Seeing racism first hand, always heightens my emotional
state... While it seems rather bland to you. I could not imagine a more foul,
disgusting insult to the Man, the works and the memory of MLK, than
that most destructive piece of prose that desi placed before this group.
Certainly, there is ABSOLUTELY not the slightest bit of anything
destructive about my original comment... but desi intended to BURN
DOWN those words... just as surely as a KKK would burn down the
house of a Black, wearing his white hood, and carrying his flaming
torch. And desi has ADMITTED that his purpose was to destroy
my MEANING... not me... when he posted yesterday these words --
"So I destroyed _your_ meaning," And unlike desi, and you do... THAT
is an exact quote of his words. Now, nothing could be more clear as
to the purpose of desi's post. He ADMITS he intended to destroy
my MEANING... not me. You see... desi's problem is that these little
things SLIP OUT when he posts. Subconsciously, his words at times
often metamorphosis for a moment, in the turn of a phrase... and he ends
up often admitting that his TRUE purpose is other than that he would have
others believe, without him intending to do so. That is where a majority
of his racist comments come from. That inner hate for different races,
that he believes he can keep hidden.
>That reply of Desmond's has severely, and probably permanently,
>wounded PV.
LOL... since _I_ offered the tribute... and desi INSULTED that tribute,
admitting he intended to destroy my meaning, and has found it necessary
to apologize to the group for his grossly insulting comments to the words
in that tribute, it is desi who has been most certainly permanently damaged.
If not in the eyes of this group, or in your eyes... then most certainly in the
eyes of a higher power whom he will ultimately have to answer to. That
dreaded five-layer pentagram of evil that desi stays inside, with the black
candles flickering at each point when posting, cannot protect him from
that righteous wrath forever. And you, his feckless minion... supporter of
his evil... will ultimately have to answer as well. The fact is, that
your _vote_ was clearly FOR racism. You accept racism as being
of little importance... since it is more important for you to support
someone who you find as a _friend_, because he is the enemy of your
enemy, rather than stand on your principles. But you are the same as
others here, who have also formed allegiance to desi, and have lost
sight of THEIR principles by so doing.
> Far more than I have ever wounded him by exposing his
>lies, cowardice and ignorance, and perhaps even more than even Desmond
>himself has done in the past. So badly wounded and weakened was PV
>that he felt unable to fight back on his own. He needed friends &
>allies to join him, to fight alongside him, such was the size of the
>task PV felt unable to face alone.
>
Umm... you've confused desi and me. I've asked for no one. desi
was the one who tried to _cage votes_, and you easily offered YOUR
VOTE for RACISM. I've said over and over, that I have NO FRIENDS
here. Not abolitionist nor retentionist. I have only my opinion to offer.
And that opinion most certainly condemns desi as a racist, and you as
one of his entourage of fulsome evil little goblins, in servile allegiance, currying
favors under the aegis of his Satanic spell. I cannot imagine a more
disgusting coterie of cackling gnome-like demons, than those such as you,
who have allied themselves with that evil little racist.
>But finding those allies would be no easy task. PV knew that simply
>playing the poor innocent victim, in the hope of attracting the
>sympathy vote, was unlikely to succeed.
Whatever are you mumbling about? I asked for no sympathy vote.
I have NOT been injured. desi has NOT insulted me. Thus I need
no sympathy for ME. They should SAVE it for HIM. As you've
done. Because he is the one who needs it. I repeat... he did not
insult ME. He insulted my words... which formed a tribute to MLK.
He has ADMITTED SUCH. He cannot harm ME, when he uses
racism to attack my words. My God, man... I'M WHITE!!!
Insulting Blacks, as he did, CANNOT insult ME. Except the small
part I play as a member of HUMANITY. Because THOSE are
the ones desi has insulted.
> So instead he tried to
>persuade people that they too were under attack from Desmond.
HUMANITY is under attack... you imbecile. It's been that way since
man first recognized a DIFFERENCE in physical features. And desi
perpetuated that attack, with his words... and his ADMISSION that
his purpose was to DESTROY MY MEANING... when he said
"So I destroyed _your_ meaning, " He feels his _mission_ was
accomplished. But the MEANING of my words was crystal-clear...
so allow me to repeat those words so you can perhaps grasp my
MEANING... which is what desi admits he set out to destroy --
-----------------------------------
"What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us.
PV
---------------------------------------------
See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=fsWW9.113395%24Sa3.2633235%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
Those were the words that he would DESTROY THE MEANING of.
In his ADMITTED purpose.
> His lie
>about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to MLK, was
>his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about
>us all. Let's join together and fight back."
Of course it was meant for everyone to LOOK. And I hope they
continue to LOOK. And I would certainly hope that humans DO
join together and fight RACISM. In fact, read my words... since that
is what I hoped for in MY words, before desi even opened his big
yap, and tried to DESTROY THE MEANING of those words.
Are you presuming everyone should do as you've done, and ally
themselves with a RACIST???
>
>And more evidence of that same underlying insecurity of PV's can be
>seen when he writes: " ... you REALLY need to apologize to the
>collective membership of this group,"
You will find he has already tried to do that... rather ineffectively.
Since he really needs to apologize to more than this small group
here. He should begin to explore his _life unexamined_. To see if
he can possibly FIX, what is most assuredly BROKEN in his life.
Accepting that he can make such a malefic, wicked malodorous racist
comment, and not take account of his life, is accepting racism. And
it will take more than a few pithy words from him to make such an
adjustment. It will take a life-long commitment to a new found integrity.
He should DEDICATE his life to recognizing his shortcomings in
demonstrating respect for our species, and forever abandon uttering
one more racist slur, or putting one more racist slur in his thoughts
onto these pages. My opinion of him would take a long time to
change... and could only happen if I saw a change in his posting
style, rather than a continuation of his insults directed at other races,
and Blacks specifically here in this thread.
>revealing again that he cannot
>admit, even to himself, that he, and he alone, was the target of
>Desmond's original attack, and of all subsequent attacks on his own
>lies.
No... he has ADMITTED his TARGET was MY MEANING. Try to
keep that straight.
1) his words -- "So I destroyed _your_ meaning."
2) his words -- "I apologise (sic) to the group."
> PV has often boasted that he neither needs nor wants friends &
>allies in this newsgroup, but this episode has proved that to be
>untrue.
Can you make up your mind? First you say I do, now you say I've
never said I do. You certainly are one little morally confused sucker.
PV
Just passing by
original thread, " MLK Day" and a very interesting fact has emerged.
Apart from PV, not one poster here - retentionist or abolitionist -
condemned or even criticised Desmond for his reply to PV's opening
message, on the grounds of it being either racist or insulting to
Martin Luther King.
Now let's remember that it is that reply that PV is insisting Desmond
should apologise to the entire group for ..... not for the strong
language - which Desmond has already apologised for - but for what PV,
and nobody else, claims was racist content.
As previously observed, PV has attempted to lie and to distort
Desmond's words for the purpose of rallying support from others whom
he tried to persuade were also Desmond's targets. And yet, not one
other poster here saw things that way after reading Desmond's reply.
Even to this day, nobody except PV has ever described that reply as
racist, or as offensive to black people or of being an insult to MLK.
PV is by no means the only "anti-Desmond" poster in this group, and in
other threads on different topics, both retentionists and
abolitionists have been known to post in support of PV in some of his
arguments with Desmond. But it seems that nobody, either when that
thread was running or now, has seen any case, in respect of PV's
racism allegations, to be made against Desmond.
The fanatical rage we have seen from PV, through his wild rants and
references to "demons", "goblins" and "Satan" over the past week, as
his lies about Desmond's MLK reply have been exposed, is symptomatic
not of his anger about racism (real, imagined or simply lied about)
but of his frustration at having apparently failed to convince a
single person of his case. Because, make no mistake, if Desmond's MLK
reply had left him vulnerable to attack on the specific grounds PV has
tried to exploit, there would have been no shortage of others joining
in that attack.
PV often refers to the words of others in attempts to bolster his own
arguments against Desmond. It is not uncommon to see PV telling
Desmond: "This person once said this about you and that poster said
the other." He will then often conclude that these "quotes" he offers
"prove" or "confirm" his own claims. But not this time. This time, on
the MLK matter, PV had not one single "quote" from others to support
him. That, rather than any genuine indignation about racism in
general, is the real reason for PV's intense frustration and anger.
Just passing by
>
> No... he has ADMITTED his TARGET was MY MEANING. Try to
> keep that straight.
> 1) his words -- "So I destroyed _your_ meaning."
PV, you are going to regret what you tried to do there. That attempt
at deception has been blown apart and you can read the full story in
my post in the "I Submit to the Group [WAS: Re: desi's racism proven"
thread. You've gone too far this time, PV.
A Planet Visitor
>Since posting my previous message I have now read every message in the
>original thread, " MLK Day" and a very interesting fact has emerged.
Let me guess... you've decided that desi is not a racist, for arguing that
it is _good_ that he DESTROYED my MEANING in my original tribute?
Understand he no longer presumes he is attacking ME... he ADMITS
he is has DESTROYED the MEANING of my words. His EXACT
words to me -- "So I destroyed _your_ meaning." No longer content
to presume he attacked ME... he ADMITS he attacked my MEANING.
And these were the words that contained my MEANING, which he ADMITS
he DESTROYED --
---------------------------------
"What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us."
PV
-----------------------------------------------------
Now... DO YOU AGREE that the MEANING of those words should be
DESTROYED????
>Apart from PV, not one poster here - retentionist or abolitionist -
>condemned or even criticised Desmond for his reply to PV's opening
>message, on the grounds of it being either racist or insulting to
>Martin Luther King.
>
Well... there's obviously been some improvement in your delusions, since
you're not responding to the posts of dolly, anymore. ROTFLMAO.
I doubt whether many are even reading this thread... and that is a great
tragedy, IMHO. But that is what has become of the fact that our running
argument has turned many off to both of us, and posters here only look at
the short sound-bites offered from time to time.
Nonetheless... desi has tried to INTIMIDATE those who have not responded
by remarking they have no backbone, they need to redeem themselves,
and they should leave the group, if they do not support him. The quote
of those words, can be found below. It sounds like the methods a racist
would use to _cover his tracks_. Intimidation... all that is missing is his
white hood, the flaming cross, and the minion goblins such as you, hobbling
along behind him, arms flaying every which way, drool slavering about,
raging obscenities such as "Fuckwit," "FW," "FuckWit," and "fuckwit"...
demanding that others _vote_ for _racism_.
>Now let's remember that it is that reply that PV is insisting Desmond
>should apologise to the entire group for ..... not for the strong
>language - which Desmond has already apologised for - but for what PV,
>and nobody else, claims was racist content.
Actually, I have never insisted desi apologize. I personally find it obscene
to even presume an apology from him would suffice. Nonetheless, he
has done so to the group -- His words --
"I apologise to the group..."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030125212906.09289.00000434%40mb-ch.aol.com
If he doesn't wish to apologize, I certainly do not presume that I can
_force_ him to do so. But the fact is... he owes more than this group
an apology. He owes all of humanity an apology. And I've never
said I can judge him. That power is well beyond what I can do. I
can only observe that his postings have a distinctive racist flair. And
I have a duty to my own morality to recognize that racist flair in his
posts. You seem to believe, just as desi would hope to gain _votes_ for
his racism... that racism can be supported if one finds enough others
to SUPPORT that racism. But that's a distinct moral failure, and a
logical fallacy. Let's all _vote for racism_, is a DISGUSTING concept.
Even if every member of this group accepted desi's words, I would not
succumb to the siren song of racism. Nor would I consider leaving this
group. It would be a moral disgrace for me to even consider either of
those choices. I would CONTINUE to speak out against what I clearly
see as racism in desi, as long as I SEE IT. And as long as I can articulate
WHY I see it, using HIS WORDS, and not some imaginary racist slurs
placed in his posts to presume he is racist, as he does with others. The
ONLY thing that would cause me to stop... would be if I STOPPED
SEEING it in desi's words. Let me be clear about something else, as
long as we are here... I am NOT calling YOU a racist, since I can
presume that will be the NEXT lie offered here. I am claiming you are
BLIND to desi's racism, and would defend desi at any cost, because
the enemy of your enemy is your friend. You have not said anything that
would cause me to find you to be a racist... but much to cause me to
find you to be STUPID. A much less grievious failure.
desi's retched call for a _vote_, is an absurdity which presumes to
argue that this majority view proves that racism is a _good thing_.
I will FIGHT racism, if I am the ONLY member here doing so. And
even if I am presumed to be ultra-PC in doing so. To paraphrase
Churchill -- I shall fight racism in AADP.... I shall fight it on the beaches... I
shall fight it when I see it anywhere... I shall fight it in the fields and in the
streets... I shall fight it in the hills... I shall NEVER surrender to racism.
And I was the ONLY member of this group to EVEN RECOGNIZE
the day we honor the man, the works and the memory of MLK.
>As previously observed, PV has attempted to lie and to distort
>Desmond's words for the purpose of rallying support from others whom
>he tried to persuade were also Desmond's targets.
Actually it's been desi who has tried to _rally support_ from others.
In the following words of his --
-----------------------------------
"However, to all of those (on both sides of the debate) who stand silently
by whilst FW accuses everyone around him and who best him, of being guilty
of all of the sins of the world. You dress your sycophancy in the guise of
not wanting to 'get involved'. Well you are involved.
This is your chance to redeem yourselves. This is your chance to show the
newsgroup that you have backbone. So far, only dirt and 'JPB' have
bothered to stand up and ridicule FW when he called me a racist, based on
words that were designed to call _him_ a racist. Whatever your 'vote', be
it for me or against me, I accept it. But either stand up now and be
counted, or at least have the decency to leave the newsgroup, for you are
nothing but pawns of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all those with
whom he cannot debate.
---------------------------------------------------------
> And yet, not one
>other poster here saw things that way after reading Desmond's reply.
>Even to this day, nobody except PV has ever described that reply as
>racist, or as offensive to black people or of being an insult to MLK.
>
If you read the above words... you will see that desi is into offending members
of this group... by calling them without a "backbone," claiming they are
"sycophants" if they do not immediately agree with him, and presuming they
need to "redeem" themselves (from what? not supporting racism?).
And intimidating them by DEMANDING they either support his racism,
or "leave the newsgroup."
You really need to take off the blinders which prevent you from seeing the
racism in his words... the insults he provides not only to the MEANING of
my words, but to the members of this group... and the intimidation methods
he uses to presume others MUST _vote_ for him... and vote for racism
in doing so.
<clipped general insults provided from JPB to PV, to try and justify his
support for desi -- desi -- who has agreed that his purpose was not to DESTROY
ME... but to DESTROY THE MEANING of my words.>
PV
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<v6hr5v82b4u50cvg1...@4ax.com>...
>
>>
>> No... he has ADMITTED his TARGET was MY MEANING. Try to
>> keep that straight.
>> 1) his words -- "So I destroyed _your_ meaning."
>
>
>PV, you are going to regret what you tried to do there.
No, I am NOT! Do not presume to tell me what I will regret. The MEANING
of his words are quite clear. He is HAPPY that he DESTROYED MY MEANING
in the tribute I provided to MLK. What I really feel... is that YOU REGRET
ever defending desi... because some of his hate has rubbed off on you. And
you now feel TRAPPED into continuing to defend him... just as you did with
the _Great White Whale_. You are an obsessive-compulsive... and do not
have the capacity to withdraw from a defeated position.
> That attempt
>at deception has been blown apart and you can read the full story in
>my post in the "I Submit to the Group [WAS: Re: desi's racism proven"
>thread. You've gone too far this time, PV.
ROTFLMAO... You're a blind fool. Pay attention now --
His words MEANT that he had ACHIEVED what he set out to do...
DESTROY MY MEANING. What he may presume my motives were,
is totally irrelevant to what he STATES he achieved. He did not destroy
ME... he DESTROYED my meaning... my words, which he presumes
were MOTIVATED by something. What he ADMITS to, is that he
DESTROYED MY MEANING... and THIS was my meaning --
--------------------------------------------------------
What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us.
PV
----------------------------------------------------------
Not one word added or subtracted. MY MEANING!! Now he may
attack ME... all he wishes. BUT his stated PURPOSE has now
been revealed. It was to DESTROY MY MEANING.
And he seems to have achieved that destruction of such a tribute...
by placing that white hood on his head, and planting that flaming
cross of the KKK DIRECTLY in the face of this newsgroup.
And we are less, because of it.
Further, I need to reemphasize, another quote of his --
---------------------------------------------
""However, to all of those (on both sides of the debate) who stand silently
by whilst FW accuses everyone around him and who best him, of being guilty
of all of the sins of the world. You dress your sycophancy in the guise of
not wanting to 'get involved'. Well you are involved."
"This is your chance to redeem yourselves. This is your chance to show the
newsgroup that you have backbone."
"Whatever your 'vote', be it for me or against me, I accept it. But either stand up
now and be counted, or at least have the decency to leave the newsgroup, for you are
nothing but pawns of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all those with
whom he cannot debate."
------------------------------------------------------
My comment --
I have never seen a more insulting diatribe directed at ALL members of this group.
A hysterical cry for HELP!!! from him. Let me again be clear -- I need NO HELP.
Should every member here _vote_ for desi... MY MORALITY will still be intact.
desi would claim their morality BELONGS to HIM. And if it doesn't he directs
them to "leave the newsgroup."
Now... most importantly... you will also note the pathetic appeal contained in his
last sentence... that of calling ME "a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all
those with whom he cannot debate." But you will find that THIS THREAD has
been constructed at its very beginning by DESI trying to DEMONIZE ME, with
his disgusting DESTRUCTION of MY MEANING in the MLK Day post I
began. I only RESPONDED to his attempts to demonize me!!! By recognizing
there was MORE to it, than met the eye. Clearly IF desi had NOT attempted
to demonize ME, because of my tribute to MLK, ALL of the various threads
about that tribute would not exist. All he would have had to do is let that tribute
pass as written. Since the WORDS did not attempt to demonize desi, and only
were meant to pay a tribute to a great civil rights leader. But, in fact, desi DID
try to demonize me... At the VERY BEGINNING... before I had even posted
ONE WORD to him, regarding that tribute, or had one word in that tribute
addressed to desi. So once again... desi is UNABLE and UNWILLING to look
himself in the mirror, and instead tries to accuse ME of the very behavior that he
demonstrated at the very BEGINNING of this dialog.
Think about it -- WHO BEGAN THE DEMONIZATION????
I know who did... and I will not permit desi to demonize the MEANING of my
words. He only becomes a demon by trying to do so.
And finally... again... where is your apology to me for presuming to QUOTE me with
saying "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about us all. Let's join together
and fight back."
Since you argue so strongly about a PERIOD. Where in the _fuck_ is the QUOTE
that you presume are MY WORDS?? In effect you are providing a wretched LIE, by
providing a whole sentence of a quote that IS NOT MINE. I expect a full and complete
RETRACTION of your false quote. In any case... you are a proven liar. Quibbling
about a period (which ended a complete thought regardless), while presuming you
can provide an entire sentence you claim are MY WORDS.
PV
Just passing by
shall waste no further time reading his words as I used to, because
they are now totally irrelevant. This disgraceful deception, in which
he has tried to completely alter the meaning of Desmond's words by
removing a comma, replacing it with a full stop (period) and finally
deleting the all important second half of Desmond's original sentence,
has now rendered PV a waste of time & space and of absolutely no
interest to me. He is the worst liar I have ever seen and his words
will never be worth reading again.
The URL which explains what PV has done and how/why he did it is:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com
Just passing by
to:
A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<944u5vk0b7jaoa21i...@4ax.com>...
> And finally... again... where is your apology to me for presuming to QUOTE me with
> saying "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about us all. Let's join together
> and fight back."
>
> Since you argue so strongly about a PERIOD. Where in the _fuck_ is the QUOTE
> that you presume are MY WORDS?? In effect you are providing a wretched LIE, by
> providing a whole sentence of a quote that IS NOT MINE. I expect a full and complete
> RETRACTION of your false quote. In any case... you are a proven liar. Quibbling
> about a period (which ended a complete thought regardless), while presuming you
> can provide an entire sentence you claim are MY WORDS.
As anyone can see by reading my original words, I did not claim the
above to be a direct quote from PV, which of course it wasn't. But
again, PV has, by removing a part of my words, attempted to deceive
everyone here. So, to expose yet another of PV's lies, here is the
full text revealing what I wrote:
'His lie about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to
MLK, was his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is
saying about us all. Let's join together and fight back." '
Note the four words that precede those in quotes: "his way of saying".
Those four words clearly indicate that I was not purporting to be
directly quoting PV, but simply giving my interpretation of what PV's
words really meant. That is an entirely legitimate use of written
English, and had I not used quotation marks to do that, my own
sentence would have been grammatically incorrect.
The real question that needs to be asked is: why did PV cut out those
four words when purporting to be quoting me? The answer is the same as
that to so many other recent questions: Because he was trying to
deceive everybody here.
If PV really believed I had misquoted him, why did he not immediately
challenge me. His reply to my post in which I wrote the above includes
the following extract from my post and his reply to it:
> > His lie
> >about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to MLK, was
> >his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about
> >us all. Let's join together and fight back."
>
> Of course it was meant for everyone to LOOK. And I hope they
> continue to LOOK. And I would certainly hope that humans DO
> join together and fight RACISM. In fact, read my words... since that
> is what I hoped for in MY words, before desi even opened his big
> yap, and tried to DESTROY THE MEANING of those words.
> Are you presuming everyone should do as you've done, and ally
> themselves with a RACIST???
So, far from believing that I had "misquoted" him, PV was actually
agreeing with my interpretation. On that earlier occasion, he did
include all of my words, but on the more recent occasion he chose to
remove the first part of them. Why? Because, as when he removed the
second part of Desmond's words, he was trying to deceive. It wasn't me
he was trying to deceive, but anyone and everyone else who might have
read his post. He has now used that very same tactic twice in two
days, and has been exposed on both occasions. These are very desperate
tactics from a very desperate man who no longer has any other means of
defending his arguments.
A Planet Visitor
>The following is the only part of PV's reply that I need to respond
>to:
>
>
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<944u5vk0b7jaoa21i...@4ax.com>...
>
>> And finally... again... where is your apology to me for presuming to QUOTE me with
>> saying "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about us all. Let's join together
>> and fight back."
>>
>> Since you argue so strongly about a PERIOD. Where in the _fuck_ is the QUOTE
>> that you presume are MY WORDS?? In effect you are providing a wretched LIE, by
>> providing a whole sentence of a quote that IS NOT MINE. I expect a full and complete
>> RETRACTION of your false quote. In any case... you are a proven liar. Quibbling
>> about a period (which ended a complete thought regardless), while presuming you
>> can provide an entire sentence you claim are MY WORDS.
>
>
>As anyone can see by reading my original words, I did not claim the
>above to be a direct quote from PV,
ROTFLMAO.. OF COURSE YOU DID. You placed it in QUOTES,
and PRESUMED it was MY WORDS. But knowing what a slimy, smarmy,
oily, morally fraudulent, little sneak you are... I never expected you to ADMIT
you had attempted to perpetrate that distortion.
> which of course it wasn't. But
>again, PV has, by removing a part of my words, attempted to deceive
>everyone here. So, to expose yet another of PV's lies, here is the
>full text revealing what I wrote:
>
>'His lie about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to
>MLK, was his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is
>saying about us all. Let's join together and fight back." '
Right... DIRECTLY in QUOTES. My way of SAYING "QUOTE."
Anyone can see how deceptive you are, with your presuming
to justify desi's use of racist slur in quotes, and then DENYING your
own deceptive practices. And then becoming a raging hysteric, because
your buddy has been shown to be a racist, while I put a _period_
inside of what WAS a direct quote. YET... you put WORDS in
QUOTES that you claim are mine. My way of SAYING -- "QUOTE"
Yet you obsess over a period, which did not change the THOUGHT
one bit in desi's comment, where he claimed to have achieved his
PURPOSE of DESTROYING MY MEANING.
>
>Note the four words that precede those in quotes: "his way of saying".
>Those four words clearly indicate that I was not purporting to be
>directly quoting PV, but simply giving my interpretation of what PV's
>words really meant.
No.. you were QUOTING ME, sport. And all your slimy lies, will not
get you out of that fact. Quotation marks IMPLY QUOTES.
>That is an entirely legitimate use of written
>English, and had I not used quotation marks to do that, my own
>sentence would have been grammatically incorrect.
>
There is NOTHING "legitimate" about putting words in QUOTES,
and presuming they have come from someone else, when they have
NOT. And it's a hilarious thought to presume you could not have
worded your sentence WITHOUT using quotes. There is no such
limitation in the English Language. Do you realize such a comment
claims that LYING in offering FALSE QUOTES is quite acceptable,
if one only presumes it MIGHT BE what another would say? Arguing
that the idea could not have been presented WITHOUT providing a
lie by QUOTING words that were never written. For example, you
could have said --
---------------------------
His lie about Desmond having attacked _anyone_ paying a tribute to
MLK, was his way of saying that everyone should look at what desi
is saying about us, and asking everyone to join together and fight back
----------------------------
See ANY QUOTATION MARKS there?? And remember these
words of mine??
-------------------------------------------
How does one go about providing a counter-example to someone saying
'the judge was a crook'? Other than to say the person is an imbecile
if HE cannot provide proof. But what he is asking is that I provide
proof that the judge is not a crook.
--------------------------------------------
Remember how you jumped up and down hysterically presuming I was
QUOTING YOU??? Now you claim in YOUR FALSE QUOTE of
my words that you were "simply giving my interpretation of what PV's
words really meant." You would NEVER accept that I was "Simply giving
my interpretation of what" YOUR "words really meant." But that is
what you expect other to believe in YOUR LYING QUOTE of words
I NEVER SAID. It is the double-standard of your lies, that have
become so familiar here.
>The real question that needs to be asked is: why did PV cut out those
>four words when purporting to be quoting me?
WHY??? Because ALL that was necessary was to recognize what
YOU had put in quotes... purporting it to be a QUOTE from me.
That's what QUOTES are used for. TO QUOTE PEOPLE'S WORDS.
Not to place them in QUOTES and CLAIM they came from that person.
You QUOTED me, and LIED about it being a quote from me. When will
you EVER open your eyes to your own failures?
> The answer is the same as
>that to so many other recent questions: Because he was trying to
>deceive everybody here.
>
Actually, it was YOUR use of QUOTES, which provides proof of your
intention to deceive.
>If PV really believed I had misquoted him, why did he not immediately
>challenge me.
Because I am not the obsessive jerk that you are, sport. Once you became
obsessive about my use of a period, it became obvious to me that I should
show that YOUR BEHAVIOR is much more deceptive than you presume
mine is. If you are going to nitpick about a period, then you should be prepared
to not have committed greater deceptions in your posts. Had you not decided
to obsess about that period, I am more forgiving than you. I overlooked it,
because I considered the ignorant source that provided it. However, I could
not overlook your maniacal reaction to that _period_, given how often you
distort EVERY argument. You should have realized by now, in our dialog
with the _Great White Whale_, that although I often let things slide... I DO
have a memory... and when I find that I am being attacked for something that
YOU have done much worse... I WILL remind you.
> His reply to my post in which I wrote the above includes
>the following extract from my post and his reply to it:
>
>> > His lie
>> >about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to MLK, was
>> >his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is saying about
>> >us all. Let's join together and fight back."
>>
>> Of course it was meant for everyone to LOOK. And I hope they
>> continue to LOOK. And I would certainly hope that humans DO
>> join together and fight RACISM. In fact, read my words... since that
>> is what I hoped for in MY words, before desi even opened his big
>> yap, and tried to DESTROY THE MEANING of those words.
>> Are you presuming everyone should do as you've done, and ally
>> themselves with a RACIST???
>
>So, far from believing that I had "misquoted" him, PV was actually
>agreeing with my interpretation.
You were not providing an _interpretation_, you liar. You were providing
a QUOTE. And a false quote. Whether I agree with the MEANING is
immaterial... since the QUOTE was a LIE on your part. When you posted
it, I recognized that you were QUOTING me, but I let it pass, even knowing
that it was a LIE as far as BEING a quote, since I have no problem with
people recognizing RACISM. Which runs rampant throughout many of
desi's threads and comments, and which in the particular MLK tribute I
provided, has brought his racism more clearly into focus. A behavior of
his you endorse, I might add. And I WOULD hope that others see what
I see. But that has NOTHING to do with the LIE you perpetrated by
claiming it was a QUOTE of my words. As I said... had you not presumed
to call ME a liar, for placing a _period_ inside of what WERE desi's words,
I would never have mentioned how you LIED by presuming to QUOTE me.
I am not as evil as you are, sport. But neither will I stand idly by when
attacked for a _period_ inside of an ACCURATE QUOTE.
> On that earlier occasion, he did
>include all of my words, but on the more recent occasion he chose to
>remove the first part of them. Why?
Because I concerned myself ONLY with the fact you had placed those
words in QUOTES, presuming they were EXACTLY my words. Why
did I do that? Because you had fixated on a single _period_ in an EXACT
quote of desi's words. To show that you have a double-standard when it
comes to QUOTES. As you first showed when you attempted to JUSTIFY
desi's racist comments because HE had put some of them in quotes.
> Because, as when he removed the
>second part of Desmond's words, he was trying to deceive. It wasn't me
>he was trying to deceive, but anyone and everyone else who might have
>read his post.
And who were YOU trying to deceive by placing an ENTIRE sentence
in quotes, and presuming they were MY WORDS?
> He has now used that very same tactic twice in two
>days, and has been exposed on both occasions. These are very desperate
>tactics from a very desperate man who no longer has any other means of
>defending his arguments.
Where is my apology? Regardless of all your slimy denials... you put words
in QUOTES... and presumed to this group they were MY QUOTED
WORDS... and they were not. It is YOU who has been exposed, my friend.
And it must be painful for you, to have to descend to a patent absurdity, arguing
that you could not have constructed a sentence in English, the richest
language of our species, without using a LIE to QUOTE. Repeating --
Do you realize such a comment claims that LYING in offering FALSE QUOTES
is quite acceptable, if one only presumes it MIGHT BE what another would say?
Arguing that the idea could not have been presented WITHOUT providing a
lie by QUOTING words that were never written.
God... you have let your obsession with the _Great White Whale_ destroy
every bit of credibility you might have held. My having met and defeated
you in that forum, has driven you half out of your mind in rage. A rage so
intense that you would even SUPPORT racism, if the racist was my enemy.
That doesn't say much about your moral fiber, IMHO.
PV
A Planet Visitor
>To be honest,
That would be a change of pace for you.
> I did no more than quickly scan PV's latest reply.
That has apparently not stopped you from now continuing to make
a fool of yourself. I have the impression that you very seldom do much
in the way of trying to ABSORB the wisdom I am trying to impart to
you.
> I shall waste no further time reading his words as I used to, because
>they are now totally irrelevant.
How many times have I heard that from you? How many times have
you clipped EVERYTHING, and provided a comment on the order of
stating it would be the last time you'd respond? Yet, IT NEVER IS!!
Nor will THIS be the last time... I can guarantee it. You will probably
AGAIN clip everything, and create some absurd lie in responding.
Referring the reader to a post you generated in the past, which was
literally taken apart, piece by piece, by me.
> This disgraceful deception, in which
>he has tried to completely alter the meaning of Desmond's words by
>removing a comma, replacing it with a full stop (period) and finally
>deleting the all important second half of Desmond's original sentence,
>has now rendered PV a waste of time & space and of absolutely no
>interest to me. He is the worst liar I have ever seen and his words
>will never be worth reading again.
Where is your apology, sport? For providing an ENTIRE SENTENCE,
which you presumed to QUOTE me as having posted here? The
second half of desi's comment was an attempt at an EXCUSE for
DESTROYING my MEANING... which was EXACTLY what he
claimed to have accomplished.
And let me repeat desi's INSULT to the entire group, if they did not _vote_
for him -- where he posted --
"for you are nothing but pawns of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises
all those with whom he cannot debate."
Where is the ANSWER to my question as the bottom of my previous post --
"WHO BEGAN THE DEMONIZATION????
My words in the origination of a tribute to MLK, in no way attempted to
demonize desi, or anyone for that matter. It was simply an appeal for
greater strides in racial tolerance, and the granting of equal rights. desi
took that tribute, placed that white peaked hood on his head, set fire to
that flaming cross, and in typical KKK fashion STOMPED on its
MEANING, and in the process tried to DEMONIZE ME. So again,
who found it impossible to debate.. and --
"WHO BEGAN THE DEMONIZATION????
>
>The URL which explains what PV has done and how/why he did it is:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com
Actually, the total destruction of that post was provided by me in ==
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8bqt5v4bp98n3mooet4r9bg2r133quslaf%404ax.com
But just to keep everything in context, since JPB did not ACTUALLY address
any of my remarks in my reply to his post, let me repeat my reply, which includes
the entire content of his post, and my reply to all of his points. Plus, the fact
that he does not even begin to address the question at the end of my post, as to who
BEGAN the process of demonization in the tribute I paid to MLK. Here it is --
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From: A Planet Visitor (abc...@zbqytr.ykq)
Subject: Re: I Submit to the Group [WAS: Re: desi's racism proven [was: REFERENCE
POST FOR FW'S LIES] [WAS: Re: FW The Lying Slimeball [WAS: Re: Military guide to Iraq
'war' (sic)]]]
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Date: 2003-02-27 23:26:52 PST
On 27 Feb 2003 13:32:55 -0800, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
>PV has been caught out lying again, and this time in one of the most
>blatant attempts ever seen to deliberately misrepresent what somebody
>has written.
Actually it was an EXACT quote of his words.
> Read the following extract from his latest post in this
>thread, and then look at how he has tried to develop this latest
>"opportunity" in a separate thread, including deliberately rewriting
>Desmond's sentence by making a very subtle change to the punctuation,
>which completely alters the whole sentence he claimed to be directly
>quoting.
Hey... as I've pointed out before DESI is his own worst enemy.
>
>
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<cboo5vg4dcln1qruh...@4ax.com>...
>> On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:18:57 +0000, Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>> wrote:
>> > So I destroyed _your_ meaning, which was a
>> >cynical attempt to clean up your image. Oh boy, does it need to be
>> >cleaned up.
>> >
>> So you ADMIT that your purpose was to DESTROY MY MEANING!! Once
>> again... desi falls on his sword. Since it is clear my MEANING was to provide a
>> tribute to MLK.
>
>Here we see PV again attempting to use his now well known and
>thoroughly disgraced tactic of deliberately trying to change the
>meaning of somebody's words.
Absolutely NOT... his words MEANT that he had ACHIEVED what he
set out to do... DESTROY MY MEANING. What he may presume my
motives were, is totally irrelevant to what he STATES he achieved. He
did not destroy ME... he DESTROYED my meaning... my words, which
he presumes were MOTIVATED by something. But what he ADMITS
is that he DESTROYED MY MEANING... and THIS was my meaning --
--------------------------------------------------------
What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us.
PV
----------------------------------------------------------
Not one word added or subtracted. MY MEANING. Now he may
attack ME... all he wishes. BUT his stated PURPOSE
has now been revealed. It was to DESTROY MY MEANING.
> What was significant about that sentence
>of Desmond's, was that he emphasised the word "your" to make clear
>that he had not destroyed *the* meaning behind MLK tributes in
>general, but only the one he interprets as having been an attempt by
>PV to repair his own image, as he makes clear in the second part of
>the sentence (and the full significance of that vitally important
>second part, and what PV tried to do to it, will become clear
>shortly).
What a crock of pitiful excuses. MY MEANING is contained in the
words. Without having provided those words... there would not have
BEEN a tribute. My words are ALL that have meaning. HE ADMITS
he DESTROYED those words -- their MEANING.
>But PV, being the compulsive liar he is, couldn't resist the
>temptation of yet again distorting somebody's words to make them
>appear to be saying something entirely different.
Actually, a DISTORTION, would be as desi has done, by CHANGING
a quote of mine which used the word "guilty," into CLAIMING it WAS
"convicted of murder," in presuming he was providing an EXACT quote.
Removing ONE word... and SUBSTITUTING THREE words. See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7gcr5v8sfcmntmkj300rrgafk30ngmtc32%404ax.com
Now that is a direct CHANGING of words, and meaning.
I did not change ONE word of desi's. His words were -- "So I destroyed _your_
meaning,..." Those five words represent a complete thought, regardless of his
presumed motives for doing so... he states that as an achieved objective.
> And as I will show
>towards the end of this post, this time he has added something very
>small but very significant to Desmond's sentence to deliberately
>change it.
Actually, I ADDED nothing.
> I believe this one is an even bigger exposure of PV's
>dishonesty than his "anyone" lie that recently buried him.
>
>After posting that message in this thread, PV moved to the "Father
>murderers" thread, and, in a reply to me, continued referring to this
>sentence of Desmond's. Here are some examples:
>
>> LOL... since _I_ offered the tribute... and desi INSULTED that tribute,
>> admitting he intended to destroy my meaning,
>
That is what he has admitted to doing.
>Again from that same post:
>
>> Those were the words that he would DESTROY THE MEANING of.
>> In his ADMITTED purpose.
> Quite right.
>
>And now the big one, where PV claimed to be providing the direct
>quote:
>
>> No... he has ADMITTED his TARGET was MY MEANING. Try to
>> keep that straight.
>> 1) his words -- "So I destroyed _your_ meaning."
>
His exact words. The period is simply the END of MY sentence, which in American
English ALWAYS goes inside the quotation marks.
>And this time we see a deliberate misquote. Where did that full stop
>(period) come from?
It comes from MY complete sentence -- From Webster's New World
English Grammar Handbook, ISBN 0-7645-6488-9, Page 172 --
"Commas and periods are always placed inside the quotation marks."
American English rules and British English rules differ in this placement.
If you prefer, or if it bothers you -- you can read my quote as --
1) his words -- "So I destroyed _your_ meaning".
If it bothers you that much. But THOSE are his FIVE words, which form
a COMPLETE THOUGHT. He then goes on to presume WHY he feels
he did so... but that has nothing to do with what he presumes he ACHIEVED.
Do you find that the MEANING of my words should be destroyed??
-----------------------------------------------------------
.What would MLK say today? The 'dream'?? Realized 34 years after his
assassination? Does anyone think it has become reality? This is a day of
'RECOGNITION.' Not in platitudes to ourselves of 'how far we have
come.' But in the awareness of 'how far we have to go.'
This is a day to personally reflect on your individual contributions to
EQUALITY, or the lack thereof. Because only TRUE EQUALITY can
fulfill that dream. This is a day for inward contemplation. To paraphrase
Lincoln... and I hope not tritely.. "That from (this) honored
dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which (he) gave
the last full measure of devotion.."
This is a day to honor the dead... to Honor Martin Luther King, Jr.
The man, his principles, his dreams... and yes -- his memory as well.
But let's not forget he is MORE than a 'memory.' He embodies the
very principles which should guide our lives. Where will we be 34
years from today? Will the glass of prejudice and hate still be half-full,
or will we have finally emptied it? I certainly don't know, but I do know that
the answer lies in the future behavior of each and every one of us.
PV
-----------------------------------------------------
> That was not in Desmond's sentence that PV was
>claiming to be directly quoting there. Here is Desmond's sentence
>again:
>
>"So I destroyed _your_ meaning, which was a cynical attempt to clean
>up your image."
>
Quite true.. his ASSERTION is NOT that he destroyed ME. Which is
what he has claimed all along. Claiming it was an attack on ME. Not
the MEANING in my post, but the fact that _I_ expressed that meaning.
Whatever his pitiful EXCUSE of what MY MOTIVES WERE.... HIS
OBJECTIVES are now more CLEARLY STATED.... they were to
DESTROY MY MEANING... NOT ME. If he had MEANT to
DESTROY ME... His words would have read "So I destroyed YOU,
because of your cynical attempts to clean up your image." But that is
NOT what he said. In fact, if he had worded it that way, I simply would
have called him a stupid shit. But he stepped on his dick... yet again. And I
believe there WAS some subconscious Freudian motivation behind him
using the word "MEANING." It shows he was not satisfied in presuming
he had destroyed me. He had to destroy MY MEANING contained in
those words. He only FURTHER proved himself to be the racist that I
have found him to be for some time now. With his newly stated intention
of destroying my MEANING in those words.
>PV has removed a comma and replaced it with a full stop to
>deliberately make it look as if the sentence ended at the word
>"meaning".
Not at all.. it formed a COMPLETE thought... followed by his
REASONING to take the action he took. But the ACTION he
took is clearly DEFINED in those five words. "So I DESTROYED
_your_ meaning..."
> He has then deliberately removed the second part of that
>sentence because that second part is what would completely destroy the
>illusion he was trying to create.
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=v6hr5v82b4u50cvg1...@4ax.com
>
Actually, the second part IS the illusion. It is desi's attempt to EXCUSE
his insult to the MEANING of my words. That is the illusion that will
ALWAYS blind you... since the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
>Will PV ever learn that he simply isn't going to get away with this
>any more? I find it astonishing that he should try using this very
>trick, that I have been exposing day after day, to try fooling me of
>all people. This is damning proof of the desperate levels PV will
>descend to in order to deceive people. That man must never be trusted
>or believed in anything he ever posts here again.
Actually, if you find that he did not state his objective, which he claimed
to have achieved was "So I destroyed _your_ meaning..." then you are
more desperate than one can imagine. His MEANING is quite clear...
it was to destroy the WORDS in my post -- THE MEANING. Let me
ask you... do you believe my WORDS had MEANING?
And when are you going to admit YOUR lies? In respect to stating about me that
1) "He needed friends & allies to join him, to fight alongside him."
2) And accusing me of "playing the poor innocent victim, in the hope of attracting
the sympathy vote"
3) And claiming that I "tried to persuade people that they too were under attack from
Desmond."
4) And claiming that I've said, in your presentation of an EXACT quote -- "Come on
everyone: look what Desi is saying about us all. Let's join together and fight back."
In particular YOU LIE in 4)!! Since you argue so strongly about a PERIOD. Where
in the _fuck_ is the QUOTE that you presume are MY WORDS?? In effect you are
providing a wretched LIE, by providing a whole sentence of a quote that IS NOT
MINE. I expect a full and complete RETRACTION of your false quote. In any
case... you are a liar.
Further, I have NEVER asked for something that ridiculous, while desi has
THREATENED members here that they must _vote_ for him, to "redeem"
themselves (as if they have entered into mortal sin, by not supporting his racism).
And claiming they have no "backbone" and are _sycophants_ if they don't vote for him.
And claiming that they should "leave the newsgroup" if they don't agree with him.
His words -- and THESE... contrary to your LIES... are his EXACT words --
---------------------------------------
"However, to all of those (on both sides of the debate) who stand silently
by whilst FW accuses everyone around him and who best him, of being guilty
of all of the sins of the world. You dress your sycophancy in the guise of
not wanting to 'get involved'. Well you are involved."
"This is your chance to redeem yourselves. This is your chance to show the
newsgroup that you have backbone."
"Whatever your 'vote', be it for me or against me, I accept it. But either stand up
now and be counted, or at least have the decency to leave the newsgroup, for you are
nothing but pawns of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all those with
whom he cannot debate."
---------------------------------------
My comment --
I have never seen a more insulting diatribe directed at ALL members of this group.
A hysterical cry for HELP!!! from him. Let me again be clear -- I need NO HELP.
Should every member here _vote_ for desi... MY MORALITY will still be intact.
desi would claim their morality BELONGS to HIM. And if it doesn't he directs
them to "leave the newsgroup." (see how the period goes INSIDE of the quotes in
American English? Look at ALL my posts containing quotes that end the sentence
containing the quote. You will find I always place the period INSIDE of the
quotation marks.
Finally, and most importantly... you will also note the pathetic appeal contained in
his last sentence... that of calling ME "a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all
those with whom he cannot debate." But you will find that THIS THREAD has
been constructed at its very beginning by DESI trying to DEMONIZE ME, with
his disgusting DESTRUCTION of MY MEANING in the MLK Day post I
began. I only RESPONDED to his attempts to demonize me!!! By recognizing
there was MORE to it, than met the eye. Clearly IF desi had NOT attempted
to demonize ME, because of my tribute to MLK, ALL of the various threads
about that tribute would not exist. All he would have had to do is let that tribute
pass as written. Since the WORDS did not attempt to demonize desi, and only
were meant to pay a tribute to a great civil rights leader. But, in fact, desi DID
try to demonize me... At the VERY BEGINNING... before I had even posted
ONE WORD to him, regarding that tribute, or had one word in that tribute
addressed to desi. So once again... desi is UNABLE and UNWILLING to look
himself in the mirror, and instead tries to accuse ME of the very behavior that he
demonstrated at the very BEGINNING of this dialog.
Think about it -- WHO BEGAN THE DEMONIZATION????
PV
----------------------------------------------------------
And I am waiting for an apology and an answer to the last question I posed.
PV
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>le 28 Feb 2003 03:32:21 -0800, dans l'article <21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com>, Just passing by <unimpre...@yahoo.com> a dit ...
>
>> To be honest, I did no more than quickly scan PV's latest reply.
>
>I do that with all of his posts.
>
I know you do, desi... the truth just hurts too much.
PV
>--
>Ayatollah desi
Another choice comment from desi, that I will be reminding him of --
Just passing by
< Repetitive drivel that everyone has already read many times over,
clipped >
PV, my reply to your other post in this thread is also a reply to this
one. You see, unlike you, I don't believe in posting/pasting the same
entire message into more than one post. Unlike you, if I want to refer
to another post, I simply provide the relevant Google URL, rather than
reproduce every single word. And unlike yours, my messages are written
once and used once. You, on the other hand, like to repost your own
messages, in their entirety, over and over again, for months and
months on end after they were first written & posted. I am not the
only one who, because of your tendency to do that, has stopped paying
any real attention to your posts.
Just passing by
> On 28 Feb 2003 04:14:04 -0800, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
> >As anyone can see by reading my original words, I did not claim the
> >above to be a direct quote from PV,
>
> ROTFLMAO.. OF COURSE YOU DID. You placed it in QUOTES,
Oh dear! You just couldn't stop yourself from giving me that
ammunition with which I am now going to totally humiliate you, could
you?
Once again, you pretended to misunderstand how the English language is
used in some vain, desperate attempt to score your first point because
you would prefer to be seen as stupid than as dishonest. But what a
triple whammy, because that post has now enabled me to show you to be
both stupid and dishonest ........ oh yes, and hypocritical too.
But firstly, let's look again at the part of my post you have
pretended to misunderstand:
__________________________________
His lie about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to
MLK, was his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is
saying about us all. Let's join together and fight back." '
Note the four words that precede those in quotes: "his way of saying".
Those four words clearly indicate that I was not purporting to be
directly quoting PV, but simply giving my interpretation of what PV's
words really meant. That is an entirely legitimate use of written
English, and had I not used quotation marks to do that, my own
sentence would have been grammatically incorrect.
___________________________________
A very clear explanation of the manner in which I was using quotation
marks to provide my own interpretation of PV's words - in other words,
a translation. And my inclusion of those four preceding words: "his
way of saying" made that perfectly clear to anyone.
But you would never do that would you, PV? Because you believe that,
as you put it .....
> Quotation marks IMPLY QUOTES.
I didn't have to look very far for some examples which show that you
believe no such thing. Let's start with your post in the "Everyone in
the universe has unalienable rights" thread from earlier this week.
This is from your reply to danh (danh's words first, followed by your
own):
> >[Meat and vegetable aisle comments moved to the frozen food aisle along with
> >PV's other frozen-in-archaic-time ideas.]
> >
> TRANSLATION -- "Now I understand what you mean... and I admit I have no
> reasonable counter-argument to offer."
>
> PV
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2f9v5v44hmsio9ibn...@4ax.com
What are those quotation marks doing there, PV? According to your
latest explanation, they are providing a "direct quote". Yet danh
never wrote those words. But you forgot about that one, didn't you?
And it seems you also forgot about this post, from only one day
earlier, in your reply to Desmond's post in the "I Submit to the Group
" thread (Desmond's words first, followed by your own):
> "This is your chance to redeem yourselves."
>
> TRANSLATION -- "You've all been 'bad boys,' but NOW I need HELP desperately."
Here is another from the very same post as the one above:
"This is your chance to show the newsgroup that you have backbone."
>
> TRANSLATION -- "If you don't vote for me -- you have no backbone! It is
> now my intention to use _desi-intimidation_ until you accept my racism."
You really were very busy providing what you now insist are "direct
quotes" in that thread, weren't you? Here is another from that same
post:
"So far, only dirt and 'JPB' have bothered to stand up and ridicule FW
when he
> called me a racist, based on words that were designed to call _him_ a racist."
>
> TRANSLATION -- "dirt and JPB have proved themselves to be quite
> morally pliable... so won't YOU... PLEASE ... PRETTY PLEASE... join my two
> feckless minions... my evil entourage of fulsome evil little goblins... my two
> cackling gnome-like demons... in servile allegiance to my evil task of destroying
> the MEANING of the tribute to MLK that PV provided. Join me, and don
> the white peaked hood of the KKK, to brutalize and burn down the
> MEANING of such a tribute. Plant with me this flaming cross in the heart of
> HIS MEANING!!! When I posted my words to PV, of 'So I destroyed _your_
> meaning,' grasp those words as the anthem of those such as us, the dwellers
> in darkness, who would DESTROY the MEANING, contained in his words."
And just one more, again from that same post:
> "Whatever your 'vote', be it for me or against me, I accept it. But either stand up
> now and be counted, or at least have the decency to leave the newsgroup, for
> you are nothing but pawns of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all those with
> whom he cannot debate."
>
> TRANSLATION -- "I have told you before.. those 'others' are only out to _get me_.
> Remember that I have warned you before of 'the others who sought to force me off the
> group.' Do not let them silence my racist voice. VOTE FOR ME. Or my use of
> intimidation tactics should make you leave this group. Remember that WE are the
> cats... and THEY are the sparrows."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=qfos5v8ajusbdfrgu...@4ax.com
There was another "translation" in that same post, but I don't need to
include it; the point is made.
I could, if I searched for long enough, find hundreds of similar
examples of where you have put the words of others inside quotation
marks in the same manner as in those above. I am not criticising you
for doing that; it is entirely legitimate because you made clear
through the word "translation" that they were not direct quotes. But
so did I through the words "his way of saying" which means the very
same thing.
I guess, as this is now one of your lowest points ever, you will now
be trying to construct your next post around some idea that those four
words "his way of saying" did not have the same effect as the word
"translation". That is how desperate you are; it is all you have left.
You really need to look at yourself, PV. I know you don't care what I
think of you, and you are right not to care about that. But, whatever
you keep claiming to the contrary, you DO care about what certain
others think. You know that if nobody takes you seriously, they won't
take anything you write here seriously either or even bother opening
your posts. And don't tell me that doesn't bother you.
You keep telling me that I am failing to keep my promises to stop
posting to you, and I guess you may have a point. But this time I am
going to keep that promise, because this one, as the culmination of
the recent series of exposures, has reduced you to the lowest level I
can possibly imagine you at. Somebody has suggested to me that I
should "stop bullying" you. I guess that is the way it is now looking.
So, for real this time, goodbye PV.
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<1c206vc5vp9p41vl3...@4ax.com>...
>
>< Repetitive drivel that everyone has already read many times over,
>clipped >
>
ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>PV, my reply to your other post in this thread is also a reply to this
>one. You see, unlike you, I don't believe in posting/pasting the same
>entire message into more than one post. Unlike you, if I want to refer
>to another post, I simply provide the relevant Google URL, rather than
>reproduce every single word.
Who actually cares how deceptive you admit to being? You cite a
URL, and walk away with a smug expression that you've PROVED
something, by ignoring the fact that I had ALREADY destroyed that
URL in a following post. In point of fact, if you pronounce that you've
answered my post in ANOTHER post of yours... then what the hell
are you posting THIS ONE for??? Clearly, it's because you are a
pathetic obsessive-compulsive, who needs desperately to regain some
credibility, and SOMEHOW validity your presence here. While, as an
end result you only become more clumsy looking with each post.
> And unlike yours, my messages are written once and used once.
Again... ROTFLMAO.. You clip everything, and post a URL you claim
proves you right, OVER AND OVER. You keep asserting that you
have posted to the thread for the last time... and I keep reminding you
that your obsessive nature will not permit this. I can AGAIN guarantee
you will respond to THIS post.
> You, on the other hand, like to repost your own
>messages, in their entirety, over and over again, for months and
>months on end after they were first written & posted. I am not the
>only one who, because of your tendency to do that, has stopped paying
>any real attention to your posts.
Actually, in this particular post you've said NOTHING. But presumed you
have somehow WON by SAYING NOTHING. What a hypocrite!!!
PV
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<5t206vgtasemplvp9...@4ax.com>...
>> On 28 Feb 2003 04:14:04 -0800, unimpre...@yahoo.com (Just passing by) wrote:
>
>> >As anyone can see by reading my original words, I did not claim the
>> >above to be a direct quote from PV,
>>
>> ROTFLMAO.. OF COURSE YOU DID. You placed it in QUOTES,
>
>Oh dear! You just couldn't stop yourself from giving me that
>ammunition with which I am now going to totally humiliate you, could
>you?
>
Heh... Once again.. what we've become so accustomed to from you. The
big build-up claiming you're ABOUT to climax... and then the utter frustration
at your inability to achieve even a small erection.
>Once again, you pretended to misunderstand how the English language is
>used in some vain, desperate attempt to score your first point because
>you would prefer to be seen as stupid than as dishonest. But what a
>triple whammy, because that post has now enabled me to show you to be
>both stupid and dishonest ........ oh yes, and hypocritical too.
>
yada, yada., yada... You're the one who is dishonest, by presuming
YOU can use QUOTES, and expect to DENY they are ACTUALLY
quotes, while holding ME to an entirely different standard. And making
pitiful groveling sounds in respect to desi having put HIS racist slurs in
quotes, in a number of those 28 examples I have provided of his racism.
You've done this with my _judge is a crook_ post, and again with your
current argument that placing a period at the end of MY sentence,
changing the meaning of desi's comment.... when desi's comment was
DIRECTLY related to his ACT... while his motivation concerns me not
one bit. I am NEVER concerned with accepting ANY motivation for
a racist act. A motive CANNOT be justified for a racist act. Or would
you disagree with that conclusion? Can a racist act be justified by some
motive, in your opinion?
>But firstly, let's look again at the part of my post you have
>pretended to misunderstand:
>
I don't misunderstand anything, sport. Least of all your motivation for
even supporting desi.
>__________________________________
>
>His lie about Desmond having attacked "anyone" paying a tribute to
>MLK, was his way of saying, "Come on everyone: look what Desi is
>saying about us all. Let's join together and fight back." '
>
>Note the four words that precede those in quotes: "his way of saying".
>Those four words clearly indicate that I was not purporting to be
>directly quoting PV, but simply giving my interpretation of what PV's
>words really meant. That is an entirely legitimate use of written
>English, and had I not used quotation marks to do that, my own
>sentence would have been grammatically incorrect.
>
>___________________________________
>
>A very clear explanation of the manner in which I was using quotation
>marks to provide my own interpretation of PV's words - in other words,
>a translation. And my inclusion of those four preceding words: "his
>way of saying" made that perfectly clear to anyone.
You were making it perfectly clear that you were QUOTING what I
said. You made that perfectly clear, with your USE of QUOTATION
MARKS... and then offered some mindless drivel that you could not
have expressed it in the English language WITHOUT QUOTING me.
Your words -- "... had I not used quotation marks to do that, my own
sentence would have been grammatically incorrect." And that is a
LIE... since I clearly showed how it could be constructed without
presuming those were MY words. And it is painfully obvious that
you do not have the integrity to admit you misspoke, but will try to
weasel out of it.
>
>But you would never do that would you, PV? Because you believe that,
>as you put it .....
>
>> Quotation marks IMPLY QUOTES.
>
>I didn't have to look very far for some examples which show that you
>believe no such thing. Let's start with your post in the "Everyone in
>the universe has unalienable rights" thread from earlier this week.
>This is from your reply to danh (danh's words first, followed by your
>own):
>
>> >[Meat and vegetable aisle comments moved to the frozen food aisle along with
>> >PV's other frozen-in-archaic-time ideas.]
>> >
>> TRANSLATION -- "Now I understand what you mean... and I admit I have no
>> reasonable counter-argument to offer."
Yes... A certain error on my part. Easily admitted. Which does not excuse
your error. Yours is the excuse of a hypocrite who believes he can justify HIS
faults because of the faults of others. I can assure you that from this point on,
in future posts -- using double-quotes after posting TRANSLATION -- will
not happen again. See how easy that is? Now I can expect YOUR apology,
post haste.
>>
>> PV
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=2f9v5v44hmsio9ibn...@4ax.com
>
>
>What are those quotation marks doing there, PV? According to your
>latest explanation, they are providing a "direct quote". Yet danh
>never wrote those words. But you forgot about that one, didn't you?
>
Yeah... I did. And a mea culpa... since it is wrong to do so. The use of
the term TRANSLATION is just too seductive.. and I SHOULD have written it
as
TRANSLATION == Now I understand what you mean... and I admit
I have no reasonable counter-argument to offer.
Or something on that order, avoiding quotation marks.
I have stated before that I try very hard to avoid QUOTE MARKS, when
they are not EXACT QUOTES. Now my having admitted that... where is
YOUR admission that you could have worded your comment without
presuming to QUOTE ME??? Please do not continue to lie, by presuming
you COULD NOT have constructed your meaning without the use of QUOTES.
Since I am not attempting to use such a pathetic excuse.
>And it seems you also forgot about this post, from only one day
>earlier, in your reply to Desmond's post in the "I Submit to the Group
>" thread (Desmond's words first, followed by your own):
>
>> "This is your chance to redeem yourselves."
>>
>> TRANSLATION -- "You've all been 'bad boys,' but NOW I need HELP desperately."
>
Once again... A mea maxima culpa. I will correct the future use of the term
TRANSLATION, followed by QUOTATION MARKS.
>Here is another from the very same post as the one above:
>
>"This is your chance to show the newsgroup that you have backbone."
>>
>> TRANSLATION -- "If you don't vote for me -- you have no backbone! It is
>> now my intention to use _desi-intimidation_ until you accept my racism."
>
Same again... However, in all those instances I DID provide his EXACT
WORDS. I had not clipped anything from the comment I was referencing.
While you simply conjured up your false quote of me, from thin air, with no
comment of mine to provide the reasoning for your FALSE QUOTE.
YOU NEVER provided any EXACT words from me to JUSTIFY
presuming you could translate my words into that QUOTE. In fact,
you were more closely QUOTING desi, than me, with those words... since
it was desi who was pathetically asking for _votes_ to support his racism.
I don't need any votes to recognize it when I see it.
>You really were very busy providing what you now insist are "direct
>quotes" in that thread, weren't you? Here is another from that same
>post:
>
>"So far, only dirt and 'JPB' have bothered to stand up and ridicule FW
>when he
>> called me a racist, based on words that were designed to call _him_ a racist."
>>
>> TRANSLATION -- "dirt and JPB have proved themselves to be quite
>> morally pliable... so won't YOU... PLEASE ... PRETTY PLEASE... join my two
>> feckless minions... my evil entourage of fulsome evil little goblins... my two
>> cackling gnome-like demons... in servile allegiance to my evil task of destroying
>> the MEANING of the tribute to MLK that PV provided. Join me, and don
>> the white peaked hood of the KKK, to brutalize and burn down the
>> MEANING of such a tribute. Plant with me this flaming cross in the heart of
>> HIS MEANING!!! When I posted my words to PV, of 'So I destroyed _your_
>> meaning,' grasp those words as the anthem of those such as us, the dwellers
>> in darkness, who would DESTROY the MEANING, contained in his words."
>
ONCE AGAIN -- Preceded by the word TRANSLATION. A fault I intend to
correct.
>And just one more, again from that same post:
>
>> "Whatever your 'vote', be it for me or against me, I accept it. But either stand up
>> now and be counted, or at least have the decency to leave the newsgroup, for
>> you are nothing but pawns of a sick, perverted lunatic who demonises all those with
>> whom he cannot debate."
>>
>> TRANSLATION -- "I have told you before.. those 'others' are only out to _get me_.
>> Remember that I have warned you before of 'the others who sought to force me off the
>> group.' Do not let them silence my racist voice. VOTE FOR ME. Or my use of
>> intimidation tactics should make you leave this group. Remember that WE are the
>> cats... and THEY are the sparrows."
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=qfos5v8ajusbdfrgu...@4ax.com
>
The same use of TRANSLATION. In all of those, I have not omitted the
EXACT words of the other I was presuming to TRANSLATE. But YOU
DID. There was no substance to your words which could have shown what
words of mine you were presuming to QUOTE.
>There was another "translation" in that same post, but I don't need to
>include it; the point is made.
>
Of course you have. Your point is --
TRANSLATION == I contend that I can commit silly mistakes,
and justify them in the mistakes of others.
I find such a common behavior of liars. Now 'fess up, and say
you're sorry for FALSELY QUOTING me, as I've done in
presuming to QUOTE others, in translating their EXACT
WORDS. Something you didn't feel necessary to provide in your
attempts to FALSELY QUOTE ME.
>I could, if I searched for long enough, find hundreds of similar
>examples of where you have put the words of others inside quotation
>marks in the same manner as in those above. I am not criticising you
>for doing that; it is entirely legitimate because you made clear
>through the word "translation" that they were not direct quotes. But
>so did I through the words "his way of saying" which means the very
>same thing.
>
You did not provide a TRANSLATION. You INVENTED that
QUOTE without the slightest substance to back it up. Out of a clear
blue sky. Tell me MY EXACT WORDS, prior to your posting that
false quote, that you believe justified you providing that false quote.
Tell me, what is the SOURCE for that false quote, as I provided a
SOURCE for my every use of TRANSLATION.
>I guess, as this is now one of your lowest points ever, you will now
>be trying to construct your next post around some idea that those four
>words "his way of saying" did not have the same effect as the word
>"translation".
Of course they did not. Since there were no EXACT WORDS of mine,
which preceded your providing that false quote. You simply dreamed it
up. At least when I provided my TRANSLATIONS they immediately
followed the EXACT WORDS I was _translating_.
> That is how desperate you are; it is all you have left.
>You really need to look at yourself, PV. I know you don't care what I
>think of you,
FINALLY... something from you that is not a lie.
> and you are right not to care about that. But, whatever
>you keep claiming to the contrary, you DO care about what certain
>others think.
Actually, as you will find from my posting style I do not care at all what
others think. Certainly it must be crystal-clear to you in respect to you and
desi, even if you erroneously believe I care what "certain others think."
I am only here to give my opinion, and find some form of release to
express that opinion. I have always been opinionated... and I see no
reason to change now. Many have been more kind to me than I
deserve... many have not. It bothers me not one bit. I will thank those
who have been kinder than I can expect, and generally argue with those
who have been less than kind... since arguing is why I am here. Not
to kiss ass, as you seem determined to do with desi. I have always
claimed I am here to express an opinion... and not to defend murderers
and racists, as you seem to be here to do. Nor am I loath to admit I
have misspoken. We all make mistakes -- but they must never be
mistakes which result from our weaknesses or from the loss of our
moral principles. Ask yourself about your mistakes... or do you lack
sufficient introspection?
What DOES bother me, is what this thread is all about, and that you
would hope to divert from the substance... THIS THREAD IS ABOUT
RACISM. Make no mistake about that. It is not about QUOTES or
_periods_, or the tons of horseshit you provide here. With you beginning by
announcing a big buildup at the start of every one of your posts... generally
offering nothing of substance in the middle, and then claiming you will not
respond any more at the end -- but you ALWAYS DO. As you will
most certainly do here... probably clipping everything in the process.
And desi is most certainly guilty of racism. I could not be more sure of
that in my opinion. Whether you hysterically rage about a _period_ or not.
The fact is his ACT was clearly stated. And the ACT of a racist, cannot
be justified by ANY MOTIVE... which is what he tried to do. HIS
ACT was "So I destroyed _your_ meaning." That is crystal-clear.
And if you do not like that period inside of the conclusion of MY
sentence... that's just tough.
Now, in fact, he CANNOT destroy the meaning of my words. He can
only attempt to demonize me personally. But that is NOT what he
claimed as his OBJECTIVE... although he presumes he may do so as
his MOTIVE. He claimed his stated achieved OBJECTIVE was to
DESTROY THE MEANING in my tribute to MLK. He did
not say he meant to DESTROY ME... but MY MEANING. Yet,
my tribute gave no indication at all of any racism on MY PART.
Thus his ACT, was to destroy the MEANING of a tribute to MLK.
The comparisons to his ACT and his MOTIVE are clear. And I
have drawn sufficient analogies to demonstrate the difference.
> You know that if nobody takes you seriously, they won't
>take anything you write here seriously either or even bother opening
>your posts. And don't tell me that doesn't bother you.
>
If you think that either you or desi do not take me SERIOUSLY, you
are even more delusional than I presumed at the beginning of your
defense of a _child-murderer_. Take a look at your posts in the past
from the dialog with the _Great White Whale_ to now. You are as
pathetically obsessed with me, as you are with her. And now have found
yourself not only defending a proven murderer, but trying to defend a
certain racist... more destructive to this group, than any other poster
since the departure of joe1orbit.
>You keep telling me that I am failing to keep my promises to stop
>posting to you, and I guess you may have a point.
LOL.. Only because you keep failing to keep your _promise_.
Which doesn't bother me, either. Since you only appear to be more
willing to accept racism, in your defense of desi, with each of your
following posts.
> But this time I am
>going to keep that promise, because this one, as the culmination of
>the recent series of exposures, has reduced you to the lowest level I
>can possibly imagine you at. Somebody has suggested to me that I
>should "stop bullying" you. I guess that is the way it is now looking.
>So, for real this time, goodbye PV.
LOL... Wanna bet??? But please... don't go, JPB... Without you, what
will desi do? Neither would I have desi go... as that would be a blow to
retentionist if he did. He is our _best weapon_. Many abolitionists have
pointed that out, in fact. And there are so many questions you still haven't
answered --
Like -- WHO WAS THE FIRST TO DEMONIZE in the thread which
formed a tribute to MLK?
And -- Can an act of racism be JUSTIFIED??
PV
Words from a reasonable abolitionist to desi --
"I hope you don't really believe that your presence here is of any real benefit
whatsoever to abolitionism. " See --
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8ncja5%24jp%241%40lure.pipex.net
dirtdog
wrote:
<snip>
>yada, yada., yada...
Yup. That about sums it up.
<_three hundred_ more lines of the same snipped>
w00f
A Planet Visitor
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>le Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:49:29 GMT, dans l'article <d8326v0ustqr283l4...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>> ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>
>LOL !! FuckWit is reduced to name-calling on AADP ! Soon, he'll 'go
>native', and post some gems ... sorry, 'gem's' (sic) like 'la de da', to
>really impress us ... *snigger* ...
>
Another _articulate_ comment from AADP's resident dickhead.
Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
"As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here." [1]
I do believe I will be reminding him when he does so, as in the case
of Fermin Sanchez
[1] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=18PaFHABgh%24yEwdp%40maudit.demon.co.uk
PV
>
>--
>Ayatollah desi |Superlunary and Most Exalted
> |Spiritual Leader of the Universal
> |Right to Life Church. (umm... get
> |away from me -- you filthy black
> |starving child in Africa) 'My church'
> |isn't for you.
See: ---- The Wizard that is desi ----- picture and comment which follows --
url:http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/sparrow.jpg The Wizard's words -- "I engage
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 01:08:04 +0000
>
>le Sun, 02 Mar 2003 05:49:29 GMT, dans l'article
><d8326v0ustqr283l4...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>> ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>
>LOL !! FuckWit is reduced to name-calling on AADP ! Soon, he'll 'go
>native', and post some gems ... sorry, 'gem's' (sic) like 'la de da', to
>really impress us ... *snigger* ...
>
>{ snip }
>
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Dolly Coughlan Jr, the legend continues!
As Desi lies, the archive grows!
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:11:55 +0000
>
>le Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:28:17 GMT, dans l'article
><l4466vgf9cinphict...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>> ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>
>>>LOL !! FuckWit is reduced to name-calling on AADP ! Soon, he'll 'go
>>>native', and post some gems ... sorry, 'gem's' (sic) like 'la de da', to
>>>really impress us ... *snigger* ...
>
>> Another _articulate_ comment from AADP's resident dickhead.
>>
>> Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
>>
>> "As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here." [1]
>>
>> I do believe I will be reminding him when he does so, as in the case
>> of Fermin Sanchez
>>
>> [1]
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=18PaFHABgh%24yEwdp%40maudit.demon.co.uk
>
>LMAO !! FuckWit reduced to stamping his feet, and trawling 'goggle' (sic)
>six years to find comments ... LMAO !!!!! Any mis-spellings of 'surprise'
>whilst you're there, FW ??
>
>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
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>le Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:28:17 GMT, dans l'article <l4466vgf9cinphict...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>> ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>
>>>LOL !! FuckWit is reduced to name-calling on AADP ! Soon, he'll 'go
>>>native', and post some gems ... sorry, 'gem's' (sic) like 'la de da', to
>>>really impress us ... *snigger* ...
>
>> Another _articulate_ comment from AADP's resident dickhead.
>>
>> Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
>>
>> "As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here." [1]
>>
>> I do believe I will be reminding him when he does so, as in the case
>> of Fermin Sanchez
>>
>> [1] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=18PaFHABgh%24yEwdp%40maudit.demon.co.uk
>
>LMAO !! FuckWit reduced to stamping his feet, and trawling 'goggle' (sic)
>six years to find comments ... LMAO !!!!! Any mis-spellings of 'surprise'
>whilst you're there, FW ??
>
It is simply an example of why you now hide the words in your post. You
realize how stupid they look in any long-term context. It's been an experience
to look at some of your past dribbling. Trust me... I'm not nearly done yet.
>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
Here comes Santa Claus... here comes Santa Claus...
PV
>--
>Ayatollah desi
Desi's paranoia displayed in his words in another post --
"You (and the others who sought to force me off the group) have yet to provide a
single iota of evidence that I have lied to this newsgroup."
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8clfa5.1cl.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:16:44 +0000
>
>le 28 Feb 2003 03:32:21 -0800, dans l'article
><21b1da28.03022...@posting.google.com>, Just passing by
><unimpre...@yahoo.com> a dit ...
>
>> To be honest, I did no more than quickly scan PV's latest reply.
>
>I do that with all of his posts.
>
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<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:59:20 +0000
>
>le Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:12:02 GMT, dans l'article
><jhg86voohnbcij55k...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor
><abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
>
>>>>>> ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>
>>>>>LOL !! FuckWit is reduced to name-calling on AADP ! Soon, he'll 'go
>>>>>native', and post some gems ... sorry, 'gem's' (sic) like 'la de da',
>>>>>to really impress us ... *snigger* ...
>
>>>> Another _articulate_ comment from AADP's resident dickhead.
>>>>
>>>> Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
>>>>
>>>> "As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here." [1]
>>>>
>>>> I do believe I will be reminding him when he does so, as in the case of
>>>> Fermin Sanchez
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=18PaFHABgh%24yEwdp%40maudit.demon.co.uk
>
>>>LMAO !! FuckWit reduced to stamping his feet, and trawling 'goggle'
>>>(sic) six years to find comments ... LMAO !!!!! Any mis-spellings of
>>>'surprise' whilst you're there, FW ??
>
>> It is simply an example of why you now hide the words in your post. You
>> realize how stupid they look in any long-term context. It's been an
>> experience to look at some of your past dribbling. Trust me... I'm not
>> nearly done yet.
>
>LOL, oh yes you are. You're 'done' on news:alt.activism.death-penalty
>insofar as virtually no one reads your posts anymore. Which is what I set
>out to do, and which I have achieved admirably.
>
>'Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
> "As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here"'
>
>LOL ... maybe the 'BIG' (sic) words like 'pre-emptively', confuse you.
>Quick, FW ...show us how 'erudite' you are, by replying 'la de da' ...
>
>>>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
>> Here comes Santa Claus... here comes Santa Claus...
>
>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:59:20 +0000
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Dolly Coughlan Jr
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Father murderers
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:42:30 +0000
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>le Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:12:02 GMT, dans l'article <jhg86voohnbcij55k8e72hp=
>35aar...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...=20
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>{ snip FW invoking gimmick n=B0 1 ... url:http://www.zeouane.org/peinedem=
>ort/gimmicks/1.html }
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>>>Ho, ho, ho ...=20
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>> Here comes Santa Claus... here comes Santa Claus...=20
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>Ho, ho, ho ...=20
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A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>le Tue, 04 Mar 2003 06:12:02 GMT, dans l'article <jhg86voohnbcij55k...@4ax.com>, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a dit ...
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>>>>>> ROTFLMAO... You are sooooo pathetic.
>
>>>>>LOL !! FuckWit is reduced to name-calling on AADP ! Soon, he'll 'go
>>>>>native', and post some gems ... sorry, 'gem's' (sic) like 'la de da',
>>>>>to really impress us ... *snigger* ...
>
>>>> Another _articulate_ comment from AADP's resident dickhead.
>>>>
>>>> Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
>>>>
>>>> "As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here." [1]
>>>>
>>>> I do believe I will be reminding him when he does so, as in the case of
>>>> Fermin Sanchez
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=18PaFHABgh%24yEwdp%40maudit.demon.co.uk
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>>>LMAO !! FuckWit reduced to stamping his feet, and trawling 'goggle'
>>>(sic) six years to find comments ... LMAO !!!!! Any mis-spellings of
>>>'surprise' whilst you're there, FW ??
>
>> It is simply an example of why you now hide the words in your post. You
>> realize how stupid they look in any long-term context. It's been an
>> experience to look at some of your past dribbling. Trust me... I'm not
>> nearly done yet.
>
>LOL, oh yes you are. You're 'done' on news:alt.activism.death-penalty
>insofar as virtually no one reads your posts anymore. Which is what I set
>out to do, and which I have achieved admirably.
>
Not as long as you provide fuel to the fire of your racism. You manage
to add to that quite effectively. I simply stand back and point my finger
at it.
>'Add this to his pseudo-intellectual comments as well --
> "As I've said before, I never pre-emptively insult a poster here"'
>
>LOL ... maybe the 'BIG' (sic) words like 'pre-emptively', confuse you.
>Quick, FW ...show us how 'erudite' you are, by replying 'la de da' ...
>
But, desi... you've pre-emptively insulted many a poster. My God...
you are so f**king forgetful. You certainly pre-emptively insulted Fermin
Sanchez, without the SLIGHTEST provocation (look it up...desi).
Which is what was mentioned only a few posts back in this same
thread. See above.
And you did worse than that... you ADMITTED you intended to
insult a tribute to MLK... and you certainly did so. That's WORSE
than insulting any poster here. That's insulting an entire race.
Something you are well practiced at in posting here.
>>>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
>> Here comes Santa Claus... here comes Santa Claus...
>
>Ho, ho, ho ...
>
You never were very quick on the _up-take_, desi. Perhaps you
didn't realize that those words, are usually attributed to Santa Claus.
But then you never were very good at identifying mythical characters...
having been blown out of your skull with my use of Apate. Could
you possibly educate yourself before posting your drivel? It would
be such a help in maintaining commentaries in a reasonable context,
rather than the way I always have to talk down to you, as one talks
to a child.
PV
>--
>Ayatollah desi
Another poster remarked of desi --
"As I keep on telling the more strident retentionists, Desmond, if you made the
claim, then it is you who must 'prove' it..."
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