Enough is Enough
Richard J
death penalty which can be argued has been argued. I've read and
replied to attack after verbal attack on my nation until I'm blue in the
face with little effect. All of this leads me to but one conclusion.
My time is better spent elsewhere. No matter what is said, or who it is
said to, there are too many using abolition as a cause to bash the US
and its citizens on this group. I really do not need the aggravation.
You can bash America among yourselves all you wish, talk with Jigsaw and
PV. The simple truth is that you are not changing me, and I'm not
changing you. I support the death penalty and will continue to believe
there are some murderers for whom the ONLY solution is elimination.
Good night, and good bye.
Richard Jackson
A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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>
> Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
>
Desi... you sick fuck. But at least in your little 'dance' at the departure
of one having bitch slapped you so often, you did not refer to him as
'perverse.' Although you're now a PROVEN racist. To honor Richard,
I intend to dedicate my presence here, to periodically remarking on the
fact you are a racist.
PV
> --
> Rev Desmond Coughlan |High Illustrious Revered Priest
|of the Order of Universal Right
|to life Church of AADP
A Planet Visitor
"Richard J" <ric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3DB762C5...@hotmail.com...
In any case... fair winds.
PV
> Richard Jackson
>
JIGSAW1695
From: "A Planet Visitor" abc...@zbqytr.ykq
Date: 10/24/2002 2:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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PV
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Our job here...our sacred mission,,,is to being Dezi and his ilk to their
senses.
We acknowledge that it will be a difficult job because of their psychological
makeup, but someone has to do it.
All you ilks out there know who you are.
Jigsaw
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <3DB762C5...@hotmail.com>, Richard J
<ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
I shall miss you, Richard. We disagree on the death penalty, but I like to
hope that our disagreement has always been expressed in polite and civilized
terms. I am not sure I recognize myself in the use of abolition as a cause
to bash the US and its citizens, since I am ecumenical regarding the death
penalty. I abhor it whatever country it is practiced in. I believe I have
posted items regarding the death penalty elsewhere with relative frequency.
In any case, I wish you well, and shall drink a beer in your honor from time
to time.
Donna Evleth
Jürgen
Richard J schrieb in Nachricht <3DB762C5...@hotmail.com>...
>After spending some time on this news group, I believe every part of the
>death penalty which can be argued has been argued. I've read and
>replied to attack after verbal attack on my nation until I'm blue in the
>face with little effect. All of this leads me to but one conclusion.
>
>My time is better spent elsewhere. No matter what is said, or who it is
>said to, there are too many using abolition as a cause to bash the US
>and its citizens on this group. I really do not need the aggravation.
>
>You can bash America among yourselves all you wish, talk with Jigsaw and
>PV.
Fortunately America (here the US) does consist of more than Bushes and
(Southern) "Justice" Systems - thus, no US-bashing in distinct critics of
distinct areas.
Any justice system, however, which deals that poorly with terms of reduced
culpability and which allows a that catastrophal dependence of any
defendant's life upon his monetary situation, this "Justice"-system has to
be kicked up and down the pitch in the morning, at high noon, in the
evening, and in the night.
The simple truth is that you are not changing me, and I'm not
>changing you. I support the death penalty and will continue to believe
>there are some murderers for whom the ONLY solution is elimination.
>
The real question is of course whether human is matured and impartial to an
even halfway sufficient degree to make a decision who of the guilty would
belong into this set of those beyond reformation.
>Good night, and good bye.
>
>Richard Jackson
Farewell, Richard, and all the best on your ways..
Jürgen
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Le Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:02:29 -0500, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
> <sigh>
>
> Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
Utterly unnecessary, and you know it.
I am saddened that you choose to use Richard's leaving as an excuse to
engage in more rote abuse of those who would disagree with you.
I for one am sorry to see Richard leave and I can only hope that he
occasionally gets in touch with those of us who know him a little.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
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"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:53:04 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> > Good night, and good bye.
> >>
> >> <sigh>
>
> >> Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
>
> > Utterly unnecessary, and you know it.
> >
> > I am saddened that you choose to use Richard's leaving as an excuse to
> > engage in more rote abuse of those who would disagree with you.
>
> Oh fuck off, QZD ... you're getting as sanctimonious as Rennie !!
>
> I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what
> they're
> there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
> the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
> real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that
> can
> exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
> small animals.
>
> All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How
> can
> you be 'civil' to garbage ?
I would have thought that you'd be respectful to Richard on the event of
his "retirement".
That is all.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:20:20 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > I would have thought that you'd be respectful to Richard on the event
> > of
> > his "retirement".
> >
> > That is all.
>
> I have been in touch with Richard since his departure, both by e-mail and
> telephone. I confirm again: his departure here has nothing to do with
> me,
> and whether or not I am 'respectful' to him here, has no importance, as
> he is a friend of mine, and we communicate regularly.
I didn't ever believe that you were responsible for his departure. His
last post had an air of resignation about it and I feel that he was
definitely speaking in general rather than specific terms.
I just felt that this was _one_ area in which your on-going stoush with
you-know-who should probably not impinge.
Richard wass a respected poster with whom I disagreed about just about
everything. He decided that enough was enough and that he'd said his
piece. I hoped that we'd all settle for "we'll miss ya" posts rather
than politicising his departure.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:21:53 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:02:29 -0500, Richard J <ric...@hotmail.com> a écrit :
>
>
>> After spending some time on this news group, I believe every part of the
>> death penalty which can be argued has been argued. I've read and
>> replied to attack after verbal attack on my nation until I'm blue in the
>> face with little effect. All of this leads me to but one conclusion.
>>
>> My time is better spent elsewhere. No matter what is said, or who it is
>> said to, there are too many using abolition as a cause to bash the US
>> and its citizens on this group. I really do not need the aggravation.
>>
>> You can bash America among yourselves all you wish, talk with Jigsaw and
>> PV. The simple truth is that you are not changing me, and I'm not
>> changing you. I support the death penalty and will continue to believe
>> there are some murderers for whom the ONLY solution is elimination.
>>
>> Good night, and good bye.
>
><sigh>
>
>Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:15:34 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:14:59 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> I just felt that this was _one_ area in which your on-going stoush with
>> you-know-who should probably not impinge.
>
>I didn't mention Drewl !!
>
>> Richard wass a respected poster with whom I disagreed about just about
>> everything. He decided that enough was enough and that he'd said his
>> piece. I hoped that we'd all settle for "we'll miss ya" posts rather
>> than politicising his departure.
>
>Jesus, he's not _dead_ !!
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:37:17 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:47:19 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
>
>> Desi... you sick fuck. But at least in your little 'dance' at the
>departure
>> of one having bitch slapped you so often,
>
>More of gimmick n° 134, ignore the fact that even Richard classes himself
>as a friend of mine, and instead launch into some of the same abuse that
>drove him out.
>
>Poor LDB ... the pariah of AADP. Hated by everyone, but no more than by
>himself. Ho, ho, ho ...
>
>{ snip LDB 'honoring' (sic) Richard ... }
>
>Listen everyone, don't let Richard know that LDB is 'honoring' (sic) !! We
>don't want to give the poor guy sleepless nights ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:05:32 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:53:04 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> > Good night, and good bye.
>>>
>>> <sigh>
>
>>> Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
>
>> Utterly unnecessary, and you know it.
>>
>> I am saddened that you choose to use Richard's leaving as an excuse to
>> engage in more rote abuse of those who would disagree with you.
>
>Oh fuck off, QZD ... you're getting as sanctimonious as Rennie !!
>
>I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
>there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
>the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
>real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
>exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
>small animals.
>
>All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
>you be 'civil' to garbage ?
>
>{ snip }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:34:01 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:20:20 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> I would have thought that you'd be respectful to Richard on the event of
>> his "retirement".
>>
>> That is all.
>
>I have been in touch with Richard since his departure, both by e-mail and
>telephone. I confirm again: his departure here has nothing to do with me,
>and whether or not I am 'respectful' to him here, has no importance, as
>he is a friend of mine, and we communicate regularly.
>
>When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
>mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
>rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
>their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
>of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
>bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
>the way that they show their humanity.
>
>We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
>We must bring them to the Light.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:18:44 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:05:32 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
><pasdespa...@zeouane.org> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How
>can
>> you be 'civil' to garbage ?
>
>The irony is that few of you (certainly none of the deathies) realise the
>huge loss that the newsgroup has incurred with Richard's departure. He
>was the _only_ reasonable retentionist. By 'reasonable', I do not mean
>that he was disposed to change his opinions, for who can fault a man for
>having principles ?
>
>No, he was reasonable in that he was willing to engage in debate, without
>calling his opponent 'a moron', or 'sick', or 'homophobic', or 'a
>pedantic' (sic).
>
>The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
>and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
>electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
>the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
>one in their filthy midst.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
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> Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:20:20 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > his "retirement".
> >
> > That is all.
>
> telephone.
Need I mention -- GIMMICK # 3 - Desi lies.
Once again, I would NEVER believe you... given your proven lying track
record. Only a confirmation from Richard himself, would EVER convince
me that you were not the sick straw of 'anti-U.S. hypocrisy,' that made
him decide you were just too depraved to handle, for fear some of your
malignancy might rub off on him. I am well aware of that possibility. You
are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the most hideous
noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.
And a hypocrite to boot. Claiming all along to not be a racist. But coming
apart at the seams in the past few months disproving that claim. Claiming
you don't 'fear death.' Yet, admitting the excreta would flow down your
legs.
> I confirm again: his departure here has nothing to do with me,
> and whether or not I am 'respectful' to him here, has no importance, as
> he is a friend of mine, and we communicate regularly.
Via 'mental telepathy' I presume. You may confirm it forever, but until
Richard confirms it... it remains only YOUR words. You do not possess
a reputation as one able to 'tell the truth.'
> When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit,
Too bad that we can't get you to gaze in the mirror.
> and see the teeming
> mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
> rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
> their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
> of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
> bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
> the way that they show their humanity.
GIMMICK # 10 - Desi calls those who 'disagree' with him -- perverts. Much
as he did the Mother who had just had her son murdered. Are we dealing
with 'one sick puppy' named desi here? You can bet your booty we are.
Those are the murderers you see there, FDP. The murderers you would
hope to 'free' for them to murder again on another day. And the last I have
seen of someone here having an orgasm over death, was your description of a
teenage girl, having just been murdered, and you gazing passionately
at her now exposed pubic area as she tumbled to the ground. With the
drool forming on your lip, in your vivid description, fairly perceptible to every
reader in this group.
> We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
> We must bring them to the Light.
>
GIMMICK # 5 -- Desi now assume the role of 'bigot of AADP.'
Everyone should now be aware that FDP has lost control of his emotions.
The transformation is complete, as shown by his last three posts -- His
Messiah complex has now totally dominated his posting style (or else
he is on his third bottle of gin). He now features himself as the 'Mullah
Coughlan' of the abolitionist movement. . "If they don't come into the light
voluntarily -- shoot them in the street." Of course the 'Mullah Coughlan'
does have some slight problem with logic. It seems to be beyond him.
And some serious moral issues, since he finds it 'funny' when tragedies
such as the aircraft crash off the coast of California, and the bombing at
a McDonald's occur. While I am sure he 'clicked his heels' at the recent
killings in Israel. And, of course, it is his avowed demand that Americans
must hate, and fear, the American Black, and the world must just say
'fuck you' to the starving child in Africa. Which raises the question of
just 'who' does the 'Mullah Coughlan' care about? It seems to me those
are only the select group of his followers, in keeping with 'standard Mullah
procedure.' In fact, there doesn't seem to be anybody that the Mullah
Coughlan' actually 'cares' about if they are not in his orbit, unless they
are a rather select group of American murderers. But for those 'chosen
few' he offers the standard 72 virgins, and a prayer for a safe escape to
Mexico. While those outside of the 'Mullah Coughlan's' orbit are simply
"smelly jigaboo ausländers," in his words.
PV
> --
> Mullah Desmond Coughlan |Superlunary and Most Exalted
|Spiritual Leader of the Universal
|Right to Life Church. (umm... get
|away from me -- you filthy black
|starving child in Africa) 'My church'
|isn't for you.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:05:32 +0000, Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
> No, he was reasonable in that he was willing to engage in debate, without
> calling his opponent 'a moron', or 'sick', or 'homophobic', or 'a
> pedantic' (sic).
>
GIMMICK # 7 -- Desi avoids the issue, which is that HIS behavior resulted in
the departure of Richard.
What you really mean, FDP, is that Richard was too diplomatic and
refused to call a spade a spade. Since you ARE an admitted moron,
sickie, homophobic and pedantic. And don't forget a racist, as well. Oh,
yeah... you're a drunk too. Chee... and your wife is carrying dirt's child.
And lest we forget... Becky would like to forget you exist as well..
But you and I will never suffer from Richard's form of behavior, will we?
Since you are too blind (or drunk) to realize your depravity, and I am too
unforgiving to not remark on it.
<clipped mindless drivel>
PV
> --
> Rev Desmond Coughlan |Superlunary and Most Exalted
A Planet Visitor
> Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:53:04 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >>
> >> <sigh>
>
> >> Another one driven out by deathie abuse.
>
> > Utterly unnecessary, and you know it.
> >
> > I am saddened that you choose to use Richard's leaving as an excuse to
> > engage in more rote abuse of those who would disagree with you.
>
>
> I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
> there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
> the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
> real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
> exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
> small animals.
>
as he did the Mother who had just had her son murdered. Are we dealing
> All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
> you be 'civil' to garbage ?
GIMMICK # 5 -- Desi admits he is a bigoted fool. Something we already
knew... but it's always nice to find agreement.
PV
>
> { snip }
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <slrnarh0r9.1m0.p...@lievre.voute.net>
Le Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:20:20 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
{ snip }
> I would have thought that you'd be respectful to Richard on the event of
> his "retirement".
>
> That is all.
I have been in touch with Richard since his departure, both by e-mail and
telephone. I confirm again: his departure here has nothing to do with me,
and whether or not I am 'respectful' to him here, has no importance, as
he is a friend of mine, and we communicate regularly.
===============================
ROTFLMAO.... Dezi...Dezi...stop the bullshit. we all know that you do not have
any friends. LOL!!
--
Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1
A Planet Visitor
> Le Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:24:39 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> No, he was reasonable in that he was willing to engage in debate, without
> >> calling his opponent 'a moron', or 'sick', or 'homophobic', or 'a
> >> pedantic' (sic).
>
> > GIMMICK # 7 -- Desi avoids the issue, which is that HIS behavior resulted in
> > the departure of Richard.
>
> reasonable retentionist to have been on AADP in the past two years. What
> a pity that to quote Richard, 'I really do not care what PV does. For me,
> he's pretty much a non-entity.' (words quoted with Richard's permission).
>
Richard and I never had any disagreements. I presume he always felt
I came on too strong, thus he avoided entering into threads with my
comments because he did not wish to appear as argumentative as I am,
although he agreed with the thrust of my argument. I, in turn, did much
the same, since I felt he came across as too condescending, But
there is not a hint in any of his posts that he disagreed with my
conclusions. Nor I with his conclusions . This was the most honorable
man in this group... how could I find disagreement with such honor?
But can YOU say the same? No, you cannot. What you CAN do ... is
pathetically bawl that 'PV is the one who chased Richard away'
Everyone here knows how stupid you look to make such a claim.
John bitch slapped you silly for drawing such an absurd conclusion,
a conclusion as absurd as Judas pointing his finger at another. It's
YOU, desi. Point your finger exactly where it belongs... right at your
own chest. Richard and I agreed totally in a perception of anti-Americanism
driving much of the hate that sometimes fills this group. And I'm sure he
agreed with me, that you are the prime mover of that hate. Thus, the
more you imply it, the better I like it. Because it shows you are trying to
hide YOUR OWN shame and humiliation, at having done exactly that.
> LOL !!!! More of that 'whump-squeal' goin' on !!!
>
> Get me my elephant gun, I think there's one fish left in the barrel !!
>
> { snip remainder of Saddam Hussein Special N° 12 }
>
Gee, desi... run out of crosses to burn? And God help us if you ever
run out of 'exclamation marks' which you believe add validity to your
GIMMICKS # 8 -- 'mindless drivel.' (they don't, you know -- they just
'accent' that drivel).
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
.........You
>are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the most
hideous
>noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.
<....>
Reading such phrases makes it plainly impossible not to see the glaring
resemblance of structure and speach with that of the most radical and
fundamentalistic kind of Muslim preachers.
J.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:apc35v$5hb$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
You are again recognized as a hypocrite. And if it wasn't desi that caused
the departure of Richard (which I will never doubt without an assurance from
Richard himself), then it most certainly was YOU.
This hypocrisy is demonstrated by picking out MY phrases and speaking
of the 'radical' nature contained in those phrases, while having totally
ignored (and probably clicked your heels in joy), at just a small part of some
of the monstrous spittle coming from desi in the past few days in his
'defense' of his pathetic bawling, and crying that it 'wasn't me who finally
caused Richard to just say 'fuck it.' Those words, in three separate posts --
1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
All of the above, totally ignored by you. Not a FUCKING PEEP from you.
Not a FUCKING WHISPER of disapproval. Apparently feeling it was quite
proper for desi to voice such sickening images. But let PV DARE speak
of the 'cancerous evil' he found in those words. Oh, no... the righteous and
sanctimonious "St Jürgen the Pious" will have none of that. The 13th fucking
apostle of purity, pulls out his 'sword of virtue,' and calls down the wrath of God
on PV. Let NO ONE recognize the vile, unspeakable filth that spews from
desi's pen. That area is 'verboten.' desi has been 'sanctified' in the pure,
holy waters of the same gospel of "St Jürgen the Pious." The gospel
of the abolitionist. Baptized in the blood of the victims of murder. In
abolition -- all things are permissible (after all -- doesn't murder itself became
a bit more 'permissible?). 'Cancerous' is almost a complement when one
views most of desi's comments -- other forms spring more easily to mind --
it is a parasitic diarrhea of the brain... it is crazy chick disease transferred
to our thinking process -- it is a swarm of latrine flies setting on our ability
to process information --- it is maggots feasting on the bodies of numberless
victims of murder. It is madness. utter madness. It is Desmond Coughlan.
Your gospel has infected your thought process, "St Jürgen the Pious."
desi is an abolitionist, so you will suffer through the most disgusting
images he wishes to portray. That of a teenage girl, murdered and falling
to her death, that desi describes in searing, explicit sexual detail.
The girl wears no panties.. his thighs splay as she falls.. her pubic area
is exposed.. the juices of rape flow over him... a wet spot forms on the
front of desi's pants as he describes the scene. All that... YOU IGNORE
"St Jürgen the Pious." Every racist image he offers here... All that...
YOU IGNORE "St Jürgen the Pious." Every 'Irish Jig' he does when
reporting tragedies across the world. All that ... YOU IGNORE "St
Jürgen the Pious." Every evil, vile thought that has ever swept across
this group from his pen, as Genghis Kahn swept his broad scythe of
rape, death and destruction, in long, broad, excruciating strokes across
Europe. All that ... YOU IGNORE "St Jürgen the Pious." What we really
need to call you is "St Jürgen the Blind."
Your gospel, and your connection with Europe proper, has BLINDED
you to the reality of what evil REALLY IS. And in the meaning of the
words of Pastor Niemoller -- where were you when the Nazi desi came?
Why did you not speak up then?
PV
> J.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:18:39 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:00:33 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> Reading such phrases makes it plainly impossible not to see the glaring
>>> resemblance of structure and speach with that of the most radical and
>>> fundamentalistic kind of Muslim preachers.
>
>> You are again recognized as a hypocrite. And if it wasn't desi that caused
>> the departure of Richard (which I will never doubt without an assurance
>from
>> Richard himself), then it most certainly was YOU.
>
>'It was you, desi ! No, it was Jürgen ! Erm, hold on ... it was dirt !
>OhmyGod, it was incubus !! No wait, it was ...'
>
>{ snip }
>
>> 1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
>
>{ snip }
>
>I am genuinely sitting here, with _tears_ rolling down my cheeks, reading
>this litany of slavishly-archived posts. Jesus, this is fucking awesome !!
>It's too much .. I can't stop laughing !! What did you call Jürgen again ?
>'St Jürgen the Pious' ? 'Baptized [sic] in blood' ?
>
><fx: hits ':wq!' as the tears of laughter and of joy are preventing me
> from typing any more ...>
>
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:40:39 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:50:31 +0200, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a écrit
>:
>> .........You
>>>are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the most
>> hideous
>>>noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.
>
>> Reading such phrases makes it plainly impossible not to see the glaring
>> resemblance of structure and speach with that of the most radical and
>> fundamentalistic kind of Muslim preachers.
>
>LOL ... Jesus, yet another poster spanks LDB's charred buttocks ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:00:17 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:24:39 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>>> No, he was reasonable in that he was willing to engage in debate, without
>>> calling his opponent 'a moron', or 'sick', or 'homophobic', or 'a
>>> pedantic' (sic).
>
>> GIMMICK # 7 -- Desi avoids the issue, which is that HIS behavior resulted
>in
>> the departure of Richard.
>
>ROTFLMAO !! LDB tries to 'bask in the reflected glory' of the only
>reasonable retentionist to have been on AADP in the past two years. What
>a pity that to quote Richard, 'I really do not care what PV does. For me,
>he's pretty much a non-entity.' (words quoted with Richard's permission).
>
>LOL !!!! More of that 'whump-squeal' goin' on !!!
>
>Get me my elephant gun, I think there's one fish left in the barrel !!
>
>{ snip remainder of Saddam Hussein Special N° 12 }
>
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>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
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Desmond Coughlan
{ snip }
> You are again recognized as a hypocrite.
The more I read this, I think it is without a shadow of a doubt, the most
sanctimonious, rage-filled, content-free, Bible-bashing tirade that AADP
has seen in, oh, say the past five years. I am convinced that you were
crying as you wrote it, and that you were physically shaking with rage. A
greater 'vote of confidence' I could not have had, even if Jigsaw had decided
to lock away his niece until her 16th birthday, and offer her a one-way ticket
to Paris as a present.
The cats are looking worried, as I have tears of laughter rolling down my
cheeks. In fact, this post was so wonderful in its 'portentiousness' (sic)
that I have decided to archive it ...
url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/obsessive_litany.html
Not only that, but from now on, this URL will be in the headers of all of
my posts in the 'X-Obsessive-Litany:' field.
Until your next 'Catholic bumboy rant', that is.
D.
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:00:33 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > You are again recognized as a hypocrite.
>
> The more I read this, I think it is without a shadow of a doubt, the most
> sanctimonious, rage-filled, content-free, Bible-bashing tirade that AADP
> has seen in, oh, say the past five years. I am convinced that you were
> crying as you wrote it, and that you were physically shaking with rage. A
> greater 'vote of confidence' I could not have had, even if Jigsaw had decided
> to lock away his niece until her 16th birthday, and offer her a one-way ticket
> to Paris as a present.
>
upon you -- "All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating.
How can you be 'civil' to garbage ?" How indeed can one be 'civil' with
the likes of you? I defy anyone to read your words, and not recognize
that you no longer have a grasp of reality. And it NEEDED to be said!
In point of fact YOUR words, and Jürgen's words represented the
'Bible-bashing' tirade you speak of. While I was the member in the
audience of your 'Abolitionist Evangelist Elmer Gantry tent-revival show.'
The member in the back, who shouted out 'What the fuck are you
TALKING about?' I was the one who recognized Jürgen as the pious
crusader against 'those who would recognize the evil in your words.'
You were the Elmer Gantry of Abolition and he was the usher at your
tent-revival, telling everyone to 'shut up.' The words YOU used were ==
"When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
Sound like Jerry Falwell, or the Ayatollah, or a hundred other religious
fringe-element lunatics, preaching their 'gospel'? If anyone appears to
be pounding their fist on the pulpit, in a wild-eyed frenzy, it's YOU, sport.
And your OTHER words that I posted only show that you are no better
than a 'religious leader' who would call on his disciples to 'kill the
infidel,' in a paroxysmal, monstrous logorrhea of the most ruinous
thoughts ever devised by our species. The same form of words
assembled in other times, and other places, which brought forth
events such as the crusade, and that other monstrous event in
history. Turning human against human, in a convulsion of rhetoric
which calls for members to 'kill... kill... kill' those who 'think' differently
from the way that you do. Give no quarter to the 'enemy.' KILL HIM...
SLAUGHTER HIM... DESTROY HIM. Words we've seen in the past...
far too often. Words that YOU now believe can be 'justified' for the
sake of your 'gospel.'
> The cats are looking worried, as I have tears of laughter rolling down my
> cheeks. In fact, this post was so wonderful in its 'portentiousness' (sic)
> that I have decided to archive it ...
>
GIMMICK # 1 -- See
My posts are ALWAYS archived, bubblehead. Now... about yours???
Further, your shallow 'intellectual' background is clearly shown here,
as your are unaware of the breadth of the English Language... For
example, a literary figure I have reminded you of a number of times
in the past -- Anna Kingsmill Finch, Countess of Winchilsea,
(1661-1720), was. If you speak of early Feminists she stands out
as one of the earliest published women poets in England A poet
well ahead of her time, and a feminist, who criticized the misogyny
prevalent at the time in England, with satirical commentary of the
social roles forced on women appearing often in her work I would
refer you to her work --- 'A Pindarick Poem' --
----------------
Whilst You obey'd, you Winds! that must fulfill
The just Disposer's Righteous Will;
Whilst not the Earth alone, you disarray,
But to more ruin'd Seas wing'd your impetuous Way.
Which to foreshew, the still portentious Sun
Beamless, and pale of late, his Race begun,
Quenching the Rays, he had no Joy to keep,
In the obscure, and sadly threaten'd Deep.
------------------
You should really stop shooting yourself in the foot, and then putting
it in your mouth. That must really hurt.
> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/obsessive_litany.html
>
> Not only that, but from now on, this URL will be in the headers of all of
> my posts in the 'X-Obsessive-Litany:' field.
>
> Until your next 'Catholic bumboy rant', that is.
Oh.. gee... desi is going to prove over and over that he's a 'religious
fruitcake,' who calls down 'the Holy Ghost,' to destroy all those
who are not followers of his 'gospel.' How very appropriate. Tell
us more about YOUR 'church,' desi... the Church of Universal
Right to Life.
BTW, sport. I am quite calm at this moment, and when I posted
my other comment. I know how difficult it is for you to recognize
that... being in the alcohol-induced haze you usually find yourself.
But, you are quite beyond my having any 'rage' against you, since you've
become SO PITIFUL in the past few days. Most especially since
everyone realized that Richard left the group because of your
maniacal behavior.
PV
> --
> Ayotollah Desmond Coughlan |Superlunary and Most Exalted
|Spiritual Leader of the Universal
|Right to Life Church. (umm... get
|away from me -- you filthy black
|starving child in Africa) 'My church'
|isn't for you.
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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>>
>> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>>
>>
>>
>> .........You
>> >are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the most
>> hideous
>> >noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.
>>
>> <....>
>>
>> Reading such phrases makes it plainly impossible not to see the glaring
>> resemblance of structure and speach with that of the most radical and
>> fundamentalistic kind of Muslim preachers.
>>
>
>You are again recognized as a hypocrite.
Which of your personalities says this?
(1) The impartial arbiter?
(2) The Advocatus Diaboli?
(3) The Staunch DP-supporter?
(4) The Fundamentalist Preacher?
And if it wasn't desi that caused
>the departure of Richard (which I will never doubt without an assurance
from
>Richard himself), then it most certainly was YOU.
Ah...Richard *wrote* why he decided to quit.
>
>This hypocrisy is demonstrated by picking out MY phrases and speaking
>of the 'radical' nature contained in those phrases, while having totally
>ignored (and probably clicked your heels in joy), at just a small part of
some
>of the monstrous spittle coming from desi in the past few days in his
>'defense' of his pathetic bawling, and crying that it 'wasn't me who
finally
>caused Richard to just say 'fuck it.' Those words, in three separate
posts --
>
<snip>
Desmond is of the opinion that the DP is exclusively supported by perverted
individuals - I am not of this opinion. I however do agree with that
perverted guys can and do use States' killing for their fun and pleasure.
Desmond's comment about Richard's departure I deem not especially helpful
and wrong as well. Your eruption however is of another quality.
J.
Incubus
> Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:15:23 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
écrit :
> { snip LDB 'going ballistic' }
>
> >> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/obsessive_litany.html
> >>
> >> Not only that, but from now on, this URL will be in the headers of all
of
> >> my posts in the 'X-Obsessive-Litany:' field.
> >>
> >> Until your next 'Catholic bumboy rant', that is.
>
> > Oh.. gee...
>
<snip>
Chee or Chi as it's spelt is an internal energy that exists in all things.
In Japan it is known as Ki but the Chinese discovererd it first over 2000
years ago. So when PV cries out Chee he means "when will it stop bloody
raining?" NO i mean he means erm.. er oh bollocks never mind ;-)
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:10:04 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:56:52 +0200, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a écrit
>:
>
>{ snip LDB begging Jurgen [sorry, fresh out of umlauts] to tell him that he
> still likes him }
>
>> Ah...Richard *wrote* why he decided to quit.
>
>Indeed. It burns LDB up that, after a frankly nauseating public 'tribute'
>to about the only retentionist worth bothering about, Richard called him a
>'non-entity'. You can hear the frustration in his posts. One can almost
>picture him sobbing, shaking with frustration and rage ...
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Desmond is of the opinion that the DP is exclusively supported by perverted
>> individuals - I am not of this opinion.
>
>Indeed, the _Sacremento Sun_ carried out a nationwide survey of deathies'
>leisure activities last year (I seem to recall that they were thinking of
>installing Kleenex dispensers and 'spunk buckets' in the witness rooms at
>several death chambers, and they wanted to 'guage' public opinion concerning
>such a proposal), and although I've lost the URL, I noted the results ...
>
>1. You are a retentionist. In the past twelve months, which of the
>following
> activities have you engaged in, at least three times ?
>
> helping old ladies cross the road ....................... 12%
>
> being honest with a police officer ...................... 8%
>
> paying for your purchases in a store .................... 8%
>
> assault on spouse ....................................... 79%
>
> rape of a minor ......................................... 78%
>
> torture of domestic pet ................................. 88%
>
> murder .................................................. 88%
>
> bestiality .............................................. 97%
>
> devil worship .......................................... 100%
>
>
>2. You are an abolitionist. In the past twelve months, which of the
>following
> activities have you engaged in, at least three times ?
>
> helping old ladies cross the road ....................... 99%
>
> being honest with a police officer ...................... 96%
>
> paying for your purchases in a store .................... 98%
>
> assault on spouse ....................................... 1%
>
> rape of a minor ......................................... 0%
>
> torture of domestic pet ................................. 1%
>
> murder .................................................. 0%
>
> bestiality .............................................. 0%
>
> devil worship ........................................... 2%
>
>
>3. You are a retentionist. Which of the following most disturbs
> you about this view ?
>
> the possibility that there might be an innocent ......... 3%
>
> they won't let me watch his execution ................... 96%
>
> they don't televise it ................................. 99%
>
> I get this friction rash on my 'privates' after each
> execution .............................................. 96%
>
> the fact that I cast no reflection in mirrors .......... 95%
>
>
>4. You are an abolitionist. Which of the following most pleases
> you about this view ?
>
> we're right ........................................... 100%
>
> we can walk into a darkened room and flood it with
> Light ................................................. 100%
>
> we're not deathies ................................... 2,500%
>
> we can sleep at night ................................. 100%
>
>
>5. You are a retentionist. Cite the four main reasons why you
> are in favor [sic] of capital punishment.
>
> it deters .............................................. 78%
>
> it turns me on ......................................... 98%
>
> it prevents build-up of sperm in the testicles ........ 94%
>
> can you repeat the question ? ......................... 100%
>
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:32:23 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:15:23 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>{ snip LDB 'going ballistic' }
>
>>> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/obsessive_litany.html
>>>
>>> Not only that, but from now on, this URL will be in the headers of all of
>>> my posts in the 'X-Obsessive-Litany:' field.
>>>
>>> Until your next 'Catholic bumboy rant', that is.
>
>> Oh.. gee...
>
>Oh 'gee' (sic) indeed. Oh 'chee' (sic), even. Nonetheless ...
>
>lievre# grep -i "obsessive_litany.html" /www/logs/access_log|wc -l
> 267
>
>Even before my post has quit the ... what is it you call it again, Mr
>IT God ..? 'the active newsreader' ... 267 people have borne witness to
>your shaking, sobbing, head-in-hands litany of obsessive, slavish kowtowing
>to your Master.
>
>Life is sooo good ...
>
>{ snip more plagiarisation of billytwat/Drewl lines }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
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John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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Showing your age, PV (and mine) Desmond won't have heard of Elmer Gantry,
or for that matter Babbitt and Kingsblood Royal. He wouldn't know the
difference between Sinclair Lewis or Upton Sinclair for that matter.
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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Showing your age, PV (and mine) Hasn't it occurred to you
that Desmond won't have heard of Elmer Gantry,
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:apf2fd$cs6$00$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >
> >"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:apc35v$5hb$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
> >>
> >> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> .........You
> >> >are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the most
> >> hideous
> >> >noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.
> >>
> >> <....>
> >>
> >> Reading such phrases makes it plainly impossible not to see the glaring
> >> resemblance of structure and speach with that of the most radical and
> >> fundamentalistic kind of Muslim preachers.
> >>
> >
> >You are again recognized as a hypocrite.
>
> Which of your personalities says this?
> (1) The impartial arbiter?
> (2) The Advocatus Diaboli?
> (3) The Staunch DP-supporter?
> (4) The Fundamentalist Preacher?
>
YOUR comment regarding my post to desi. YOUR inability to face the
fact that the abolitionist can do ANYTHING, and you will not find fault
with him. But let someone find some fault with him, and you spring
instantly into a hysterical rage.
It doesn't take any of the clumsy silliness you now provide to recognize
you are a hypocrite, which was my point. Perhaps you should return to
your original comment, 'St Jürgen the Pious,' to recognize that you
allowed the most disgusting filth to be plastered over this group... OVER
AND OVER... without ONE FUCKING WORD coming from you. And
then you had the utter ignorance to presume to act as the Apostle of
Purity, and cast your curse on MY words. You're a fucking hypocrite,
and EVERYONE knows it.
> And if it wasn't desi that caused
> >the departure of Richard (which I will never doubt without an assurance
> from
> >Richard himself), then it most certainly was YOU.
>
> Ah...Richard *wrote* why he decided to quit.
>
He most certainly DID. Don't you read posts in this group? Is your
obsession with your 'gospel' so great, that you are BLIND to words
that seem to not agree with that 'gospel.' Quite clearly, Richard was
speaking DIRECTLY to both dipshit desi and you. And you should
be ashamed of yourself, having driven someone far better than you,
from this group, with your raging insanity of hate against the U.S.
While presuming others should not find you hate the U.S., because
you 'like jazz.' I am STILL laughing over that one. Richard had many
times in the past accused you of being anti-American, and THAT
was the reason he gave for leaving. You are part and parcel of that
reason. And attempting to deny it, only makes you a bigger hypocrite.
> >
> >This hypocrisy is demonstrated by picking out MY phrases and speaking
> >of the 'radical' nature contained in those phrases, while having totally
> >ignored (and probably clicked your heels in joy), at just a small part of
> some
> >of the monstrous spittle coming from desi in the past few days in his
> >'defense' of his pathetic bawling, and crying that it 'wasn't me who
> finally
> >caused Richard to just say 'fuck it.' Those words, in three separate
> > posts --
> >
>
> <snip>
Sure... 'snip,' 'snip,' 'snip,' and HIDE desi's shameful behavior.
>
> Desmond is of the opinion that the DP is exclusively supported by perverted
> individuals - I am not of this opinion. I however do agree with that
> perverted guys can and do use States' killing for their fun and pleasure.
> Desmond's comment about Richard's departure I deem not especially helpful
> and wrong as well. Your eruption however is of another quality.
>
Crap... my comments FOLLOWED the most ugly diatribe that has ever
been foisted on this newsgroup. And everyone knows it. But your 'gospel'
prevents you from recognizing evil when you see it, if that evil happens to
agree with your 'gospel' of 'anti-DP,' and 'anti-American.'
I have never seen you provide a more pathetic excuse that would claim
in the most tepid of terms that 'desi is right... but his comments weren't
helpful.' You need to understand that desi no longer has a belief in his own
'gospel.' He is just going through the motions. One who BELIEVES in
his own 'gospel' - DEFENDS what he believes is 'right' in that 'gospel.'
Desi rather, would ignore any explanation of what is 'right' in his 'gospel,'
but prefer to lash out in some bigoted rage against all who simply
have another 'gospel.' The palpable grayness of his tone; the beastly, ruthless
current that runs through the barren content of his heart; the nightmarish
arrangement of the words he uses; the sickly atmosphere of primitive
hate that fills his 'gospel' -- All these demonstrate that desi's only
purpose is to SPREAD HATE, rather than the 'gospel' that SHOULD
be that of the abolitionist, which is a 'gospel' quite the opposite of hate.
And you do YOUR 'gospel' no favor for not speaking out against his
words. Understand this, Jürgen... I have seen you change, almost
overnight, from what I considered a hardheaded, but PRINCIPLED
poster. I no longer believe that to be true... not ONE LITTLE BIT.
I believe you had much to do with Richard leaving... I believe you have
some anti-Jewish sentiment in your character... I believe you have
much anti-American sentiment in your character... and I no longer
believe you are principled. In the past we have argued, because we
hold different values, and I always realized we were both hardheaded,
committed to our arguments. I often felt we were as the Yin and Yang
of the DP. But at no point did I believe your 'gospel' rested on other
than a firm foundation of a non-bigoted view. I no longer believe that...
I believe your personal 'gospel' has a much more insidious foundation.
In effect, you may have seen me in the past as your enemy... but in
truth... you have lost a friend.
PV
> J.
>
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:UOAu9.12042$Af5.5...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net...
how far dumb-down my comments must go to him... since I always
fear the dreaded 'psuedo-intellectual' label. I'm sure he confused
it with Elmer Fudd, of Looney Tunes fame.
PV
JIGSAW1695
Date: 10/26/2002 1:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
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===============================
I am not to sure of that John. After all, Dezi is the Worlds Foremost Authority
on Everything.
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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>>
>> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>> >
>> >"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>> news:apc35v$5hb$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
>> >>
>> >> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> .........You
>> >> >are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the
most
>> >> hideous
>> >> >noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.
>> >>
>> >> <....>
>> >>
>> >> Reading such phrases makes it plainly impossible not to see the
glaring
>> >> resemblance of structure and speach with that of the most radical and
>> >> fundamentalistic kind of Muslim preachers.
>> >>
>> >
>> >You are again recognized as a hypocrite.
>>
>> Which of your personalities says this?
>> (1) The impartial arbiter?
>> (2) The Advocatus Diaboli?
>> (3) The Staunch DP-supporter?
>> (4) The Fundamentalist Preacher?
>>
>Excuses..excuses...excuses.
No, Sir. It is an advise. I suggest you to get yourself clear anytimes when
writing any phrase in which of the status listed above you are at the
moment.
>It is YOUR behavior we are talking about.
No, Sir. It is YOU who ANYTIMES wants to DICTATE discussion's direction.
>YOUR comment regarding my post to desi. YOUR inability to face the
>fact that the abolitionist can do ANYTHING, and you will not find fault
>with him. But let someone find some fault with him, and you spring
>instantly into a hysterical rage.
Well, I recall you expressing once that you do not find it your task to
criticize even the very worst of your combattants. Skip to the status-list,
and determine your current persona and role. Perhaps this helps to clear up
why you expect from others impartiality and neutrality, while you are
unwilling to follow your own guidelines by showing this properties yourself.
<snip>
>>
>> <snip>
>Sure... 'snip,' 'snip,' 'snip,' and HIDE desi's shameful behavior.
>
Yes: <snip>.
<....and one more snip>
>And you do YOUR 'gospel' no favor for not speaking out against his
>words. Understand this, Jürgen... I have seen you change, almost
>overnight, from what I considered a hardheaded, but PRINCIPLED
>poster. I no longer believe that to be true... not ONE LITTLE BIT.
>I believe you had much to do with Richard leaving... I believe you have
>some anti-Jewish sentiment in your character... I believe you have
>much anti-American sentiment in your character... and I no longer
>believe you are principled. In the past we have argued, because we
>hold different values, and I always realized we were both hardheaded,
>committed to our arguments. I often felt we were as the Yin and Yang
>of the DP. But at no point did I believe your 'gospel' rested on other
>than a firm foundation of a non-bigoted view. I no longer believe that...
>I believe your personal 'gospel' has a much more insidious foundation.
>In effect, you may have seen me in the past as your enemy... but in
>truth... you have lost a friend.
>
I see on a NewsGroup no one as an enemy...that were nonsensical. One can
argument the points, or engage in persistent accusations of others, and I
see you doing the latter.
If of two guilty first-time-offenders one is allowed to live and to hope,
while the other is condemned to die and executed for the satisfaction of
society- and justice system-inherent feelings of sort of alienated
vengeance, while the continuing threat-claim sounds nothing but shallow,
then this procedere bears a huge degree of GUILT, since it is not more than
focusing hatred on a target arbitrarily chosen out of the guilties' set. In
the face of who is executed in the United States Of America it is clear what
your real problem is: The DP in practice has nothing to do with your
theories - so you are condemned to attack people on the personal plane who
are pointing at this inconsistency.
J.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:apgeoo$4jv$06$1...@news.t-online.com...
within those words. In fact, the WORDS stand independent from any
particular characterization you might try to use to avoid those WORDS.
> >It is YOUR behavior we are talking about.
>
> No, Sir. It is YOU who ANYTIMES wants to DICTATE discussion's direction.
>
No, Sir. You are an anti-American, and cannot be viewed as holding
a reasoned view. I feel you are one of two major players in the departure
of Richard. These AGAIN were the words of desi that you would
presume to DEFEND --
1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
And I am prepared to KEEP putting those words in until you address THOSE
words. Rather than presume to attack my characterization of those
words.
> >YOUR comment regarding my post to desi. YOUR inability to face the
> >fact that the abolitionist can do ANYTHING, and you will not find fault
> >with him. But let someone find some fault with him, and you spring
> >instantly into a hysterical rage.
>
> Well, I recall you expressing once that you do not find it your task to
> criticize even the very worst of your combattants. Skip to the status-list,
> and determine your current persona and role. Perhaps this helps to clear up
> why you expect from others impartiality and neutrality, while you are
> unwilling to follow your own guidelines by showing this properties yourself.
>
What the hell are you talking about? I have ALWAYS presumed that
I can criticize my opponents here. I will criticize those who also
support the DP. I have criticized Sharp, Don Kool and Incubus. I
am an equal opportunity critic. Certainly, I criticize abolitionists
more, since that's WHY WE ARE HERE. I'm not here to kiss-ass.
I don't even know where you come up with silly ideas such as that,
since from the first moment I entered this group, I have been a highly
volatile, and confrontational supporter of the DP. I would never presume
I intend to 'convert' as you do in your 'gospel,' but I have always
maintained I will express my opinion, and to hell with anyone who
feels I cannot do so.
> <snip>
>
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >Sure... 'snip,' 'snip,' 'snip,' and HIDE desi's shameful behavior.
> >
> Yes: <snip>.
>
> <....and one more snip>
>
> >And you do YOUR 'gospel' no favor for not speaking out against his
> >words. Understand this, Jürgen... I have seen you change, almost
> >overnight, from what I considered a hardheaded, but PRINCIPLED
> >poster. I no longer believe that to be true... not ONE LITTLE BIT.
> >I believe you had much to do with Richard leaving... I believe you have
> >some anti-Jewish sentiment in your character... I believe you have
> >much anti-American sentiment in your character... and I no longer
> >believe you are principled. In the past we have argued, because we
> >hold different values, and I always realized we were both hardheaded,
> >committed to our arguments. I often felt we were as the Yin and Yang
> >of the DP. But at no point did I believe your 'gospel' rested on other
> >than a firm foundation of a non-bigoted view. I no longer believe that...
> >I believe your personal 'gospel' has a much more insidious foundation.
> >In effect, you may have seen me in the past as your enemy... but in
> >truth... you have lost a friend.
> >
>
> I see on a NewsGroup no one as an enemy...that were nonsensical. One can
> argument the points, or engage in persistent accusations of others, and I
> see you doing the latter.
>
Don't give me that pathetic shit... you CERTAINLY see ME as an enemy,
and have for some time. It's pitiful that you would expect anyone to
believe you are in such denial.
> If of two guilty first-time-offenders one is allowed to live and to hope,
> while the other is condemned to die and executed for the satisfaction of
> society- and justice system-inherent feelings of sort of alienated
> vengeance, while the continuing threat-claim sounds nothing but shallow,
> then this procedere bears a huge degree of GUILT, since it is not more than
> focusing hatred on a target arbitrarily chosen out of the guilties' set. In
> the face of who is executed in the United States Of America it is clear what
> your real problem is: The DP in practice has nothing to do with your
> theories - so you are condemned to attack people on the personal plane who
> are pointing at this inconsistency.
>
????????????????????????? Have you lost the thread again?
We're talking about the words of desi... do you feel the SAME as he does?
What is contained in MY words that doesn't describe desi's words?
PV
> J.
>
>
>
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Which of your personalities says this?
>> >> (1) The impartial arbiter?
>> >> (2) The Advocatus Diaboli?
>> >> (3) The Staunch DP-supporter?
>> >> (4) The Fundamentalist Preacher?
>> >>
>> >Excuses..excuses...excuses.
>>
>> No, Sir. It is an advise. I suggest you to get yourself clear anytimes
when
>> writing any phrase in which of the status listed above you are at the
>> moment.
>>
<snip>
>And I am prepared to KEEP putting those words in until you address THOSE
>words. Rather than presume to attack my characterization of those
>words.
Well, I talk about YOUR phrase:
".........You are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess,
oozing the most hideous noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your
Satanic presence."
>
>> >YOUR comment regarding my post to desi. YOUR inability to face the
>> >fact that the abolitionist can do ANYTHING, and you will not find fault
>> >with him. But let someone find some fault with him, and you spring
>> >instantly into a hysterical rage.
>>
>> Well, I recall you expressing once that you do not find it your task to
>> criticize even the very worst of your combattants. Skip to the
status-list,
>> and determine your current persona and role. Perhaps this helps to clear
up
>> why you expect from others impartiality and neutrality, while you are
>> unwilling to follow your own guidelines by showing this properties
yourself.
>>
>What the hell are you talking about? I have ALWAYS presumed that
>I can criticize my opponents here. I will criticize those who also
>support the DP. I have criticized Sharp, Don Kool and Incubus. I
>am an equal opportunity critic. Certainly, I criticize abolitionists
>more, since that's WHY WE ARE HERE.
Indeed.
..... I often felt we were as the Yin and Yang
>> >of the DP. But at no point did I believe your 'gospel' rested on other
>> >than a firm foundation of a non-bigoted view. I no longer believe
that...
>> >I believe your personal 'gospel' has a much more insidious foundation.
>> >In effect, you may have seen me in the past as your enemy... but in
>> >truth... you have lost a friend.
>> >
>>
>> I see on a NewsGroup no one as an enemy...that were nonsensical. One can
>> argument the points, or engage in persistent accusations of others, and I
>> see you doing the latter.
>>
>Don't give me that pathetic shit... you CERTAINLY see ME as an enemy,....
Sorry, I don't. You may wish so, since it would make discussion easier for
your part, I however regard any opinions posted on a newsgroup not
appropriate to develop personal aversions. The only and single criterion is
whether any post makes sense or not.
>...and have for some time. It's pitiful that you would expect anyone to
>believe you are in such denial.
>
>> If of two guilty first-time-offenders one is allowed to live and to hope,
>> while the other is condemned to die and executed for the satisfaction of
>> society- and justice system-inherent feelings of sort of alienated
>> vengeance, while the continuing threat-claim sounds nothing but shallow,
>> then this procedere bears a huge degree of GUILT, since it is not more
than
>> focusing hatred on a target arbitrarily chosen out of the guilties' set.
In
>> the face of who is executed in the United States Of America it is clear
what
>> your real problem is: The DP in practice has nothing to do with your
>> theories - so you are condemned to attack people on the personal plane
who
>> are pointing at this inconsistency.
>>
>????????????????????????? Have you lost the thread again?
>We're talking about the words of desi... do you feel the SAME as he does?
>What is contained in MY words that doesn't describe desi's words?
>
I merely wonder what goal you'd like to get with: "You are a carrier of
cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess, oozing the most hideous noxious
toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence.", and I well
see a connection between your strong ad hominem-words and the terrible state
of the death penalty systems, which make a sane argumentation on your part
plainly impossible.
I still can't believe that you wrote the phrase above. It is exactly the
style of the very worst Muslim-zealots when talking about the Christians or
the Jews. Did it ever occur to you that radicalisms of most different
streamings and origins are perfectly congruent in their way of expression?
J.
Incubus
> Le Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:26:55 +0100, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a
écrit :
> { snip Bible-bashing LDB's arse being tanned to a new shade of deep
brown }
>
> >>Don't give me that pathetic shit... you CERTAINLY see ME as an
enemy,....
>
> > Sorry, I don't.
>
> of evil !!'
>
> Hands up anyone here who _hasn't_ spanked LDB this week ... hello ??!!
> Hellooooo ??!!
>
> *dead silence*
>
> { snip }
My congratulations to PV. The longest serving troll on this newsgroup. For a
minute i did think he was serious.. that is I hope he isn't
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:51:16 +0000
>
>Le Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:26:55 +0100, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a écrit
>:
>{ snip Bible-bashing LDB's arse being tanned to a new shade of deep brown }
>
>>>Don't give me that pathetic shit... you CERTAINLY see ME as an enemy,....
>
>> Sorry, I don't.
>
>LOL ... LDB again screaming, 'Jürgen, you hate me !! You're a monster
>of evil !!'
>
>Hands up anyone here who _hasn't_ spanked LDB this week ... hello ??!!
>Hellooooo ??!!
>
>*dead silence*
>
>{ snip }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>desmond @ zeouane.org |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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A Planet Visitor
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> { snip Bible-bashing LDB's arse being tanned to a new shade of deep brown }
>
>
> > Sorry, I don't.
>
> of evil !!'
>
> Hands up anyone here who _hasn't_ spanked LDB this week ... hello ??!!
> Hellooooo ??!!
>
> *dead silence*
>
pull your strings the past week.
PV
> { snip }
>
> --
> Rev Desmond Coughlan |I just love dead and decaying bodies.
|Knife and fork, anyone?
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:apk2e8$klm$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You are again recognized as a hypocrite.
> >> >>
> >> >> Which of your personalities says this?
> >> >> (1) The impartial arbiter?
> >> >> (2) The Advocatus Diaboli?
> >> >> (3) The Staunch DP-supporter?
> >> >> (4) The Fundamentalist Preacher?
> >> >>
> >> >Excuses..excuses...excuses.
> >>
> >> No, Sir. It is an advise. I suggest you to get yourself clear anytimes
> when
> >> writing any phrase in which of the status listed above you are at the
> >> moment.
> >>
>
> <snip>
>
> >And I am prepared to KEEP putting those words in until you address THOSE
> >words. Rather than presume to attack my characterization of those
> >words.
>
> Well, I talk about YOUR phrase:
>
IGNORE that which prompted my words against a specific individual
(desi), rather than a group. Since it was posted against the words of desi
SPECIFICALLY, because he had posed his disgusting comments against
a group (all retentionists) rather than a specific individual. And THAT you
have refused to address --
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Until you are prepared to address THOSE words, it is absurd to
expect you to hold a reasoned view on my words. Since desi's words
were BIGOTED against an entire group of humans... a very large group
of humans -- ALL retentionists. While my words were directed
SPECIFICALLY at only ONE human... the 'human' (sometimes I wonder)
desi, who wrote those disgusting words.
> ".........You are a carrier of cancerous evil... a pus filled abscess,
> oozing the most hideous noxious toxin on anyone unwary enough to enter your
> Satanic presence."
>
That's exactly what it looked like to me. In addition to his 'dead body'
postings that seemed to imply he was looking for a knife and fork.
Apparently you have 'no comment' on that as well. Do you see anything
in my words that refers to ANYONE but desi himself? Then look at desi's post
and see those are BIGOTED words, stated against an entire body of
humans... just as someone would attack ALL Germans, rather than
ONE PARTICULAR German for his SPECIFIC view.
> >> >YOUR comment regarding my post to desi. YOUR inability to face the
> >> >fact that the abolitionist can do ANYTHING, and you will not find fault
> >> >with him. But let someone find some fault with him, and you spring
> >> >instantly into a hysterical rage.
> >>
> >> Well, I recall you expressing once that you do not find it your task to
> >> criticize even the very worst of your combattants. Skip to the
> status-list,
> >> and determine your current persona and role. Perhaps this helps to clear
> up
> >> why you expect from others impartiality and neutrality, while you are
> >> unwilling to follow your own guidelines by showing this properties
> yourself.
> >>
> >What the hell are you talking about? I have ALWAYS presumed that
> >I can criticize my opponents here. I will criticize those who also
> >support the DP. I have criticized Sharp, Don Kool and Incubus. I
> >am an equal opportunity critic. Certainly, I criticize abolitionists
> >more, since that's WHY WE ARE HERE.
>
> Indeed.
>
Indeed... thus your words are simply bullshit. I NEVER criticize abolitionists
as a GROUP. Only in respect to what I see are sometimes the crazy
views of a SPECIFIC abolitionist. By and large, the abolitionist view
has much which is principled within it. Obviously, those words would
NEVER come from you or desi in respect to the retentionist.. thus YOU
are the 'fringe lunatic' element of YOUR 'gospel,' while I am the 'reasoned'
element of MY 'gospel.'
<clipped>
> >> I see on a NewsGroup no one as an enemy...that were nonsensical. One can
> >> argument the points, or engage in persistent accusations of others, and I
> >> see you doing the latter.
> >>
> >Don't give me that pathetic shit... you CERTAINLY see ME as an enemy,....
>
> Sorry, I don't. You may wish so, since it would make discussion easier for
> your part, I however regard any opinions posted on a newsgroup not
> appropriate to develop personal aversions. The only and single criterion is
> whether any post makes sense or not.
>
I don't wish anything, in respect to you Jürgen. IMHO, you're anti-American,
and painted with a good deal of anti-Semitism. As such, your words no
longer can be viewed as unbiased, but must be seen in the context of
a bigot, just as desi's must be seen as those of a bigot. desi's view is that
of a Muslim-zealot, expressed against an entire group of humans such as
all Christians or all Jews, rather than against the particular view of a singular
individual. In effect, you have made yourself a non-person here... regardless of
your bleating and whining. And you took great pains to try and disabuse others
of my conclusion that you are somewhat anti-Semitic, which shows you
take 'personal aversion' seriously, quite aside from your pathetic denial.
My goal was to point out that desi's words were the most bigoted and
disgusting assembly of sickening words I've ever seen. And I wished
to paint those words in an exact description of how I found those words
to be. But apparently you are still ignoring the SOURCE which brought forth
those words. When you address the Muslim-zealot meaning behind the
words of desi, rather than accuse me, you might gain some credibility
here. As it is, it's rather obvious that you're simply unhappy with the
fact that I've called your buddy what he most certainly is: A purveyor
of cancerous evil. Clearly Satan's disciple in the spread of his particularly
disgusting brand of 'gospel.'
> I still can't believe that you wrote the phrase above. It is exactly the
> style of the very worst Muslim-zealots when talking about the Christians or
> the Jews. Did it ever occur to you that radicalisms of most different
> streamings and origins are perfectly congruent in their way of expression?
Oh, I wrote it... and I meant every word of it in respect to the INDIVIDUAL
desi. And not all abolitionists. You see desi was the one expressing a
view of a Muslim zealot, not me. Since his words were against EVERY
RETENTIONIST. Just as a Muslim-zealot is against EVERY Christian,
or EVERY JEW... without regard to ANYTHING ELSE. He was calling
EVERY retentionist Satan... I simply called HIM -- specifically Satan...
without attaching anything else to the view of an abolitionist. There is nothing
in respect to an 'individual' in his words. His words state that EVERY human
who holds a retentionist view that he opposes (not just one singular
individual as my words relate to desi as ONLY one singular individual), is
part of "the fetid stench of rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of
semen." They ALL have "squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes."
'They ALL ..."remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can exist in
all of us." They're ALL "like child rapists." ALL "Nazis." ALL "Torturers of
small animals." See anything that relates to an INDIVIDUAL there? See
anything that reminds you of bigotry?
Further, in his words, ALL retentionists possess "vile, repulsive, bestial
fantasies... orgasming over death. We are their betters. Unquestionably
better. They dwell in the darkness. We must bring them to the Light."
Sound like an a Muslim-zealot speaking of Christians or Jews?
desi claims it is quite natural to abuse one group of humans... much
as he believes it is quite natural to abuse all Blacks as a group.. "as a
matter of course," in his words. Put Black in place of 'deathie' and
see the raging bigotry in his words. He would not be 'civil,' to 'garbage,
much as the Muslim zealot would not be 'civil' to ANY JEW. Not
even a pretense of NOT being a bigot, he actually revels in his bigotry...
he calls all retentionists -- "deathies... who wipe the saliva from their
chins, and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or
the electric chair."
And as does the Muslim-zealot... he proclaims that HE is "The moral
master." What do we find in someone who presumes he is God???
It is similar to your view... in that you do not speak against one SINGLE
INDIVIDUAL Jew... but that you speak against THE ENTIRE BODY
of ALL JEWS... and against the ENTIRE BODY of ALL AMERICANS
(unless they play jazz... you hypocrite)... and that's bigotry. You
should really learn the difference. Since my words were directed
SPECIFICALLY against the words of ONLY desi... not hardly all
abolitionists. And now you -- one who certainly cannot be seen as a
'respectable abolitionist,' but rather a hysterical zealot yourself.
Abolitionists are for the most part a reasonable, caring group
of people. Neither you nor desi fit that role. And in fact, you both
represent the extreme lunatic fringe of that group. desi, in fact, in
his latest venture into posting pictures of 'dead bodies,' has clearly
left the arena of reality in his 'gospel.' Which was foretold by my
words. I am the Cassandra of retentionists... having foretold the
mental decline of desi... yet was cursed with never being believe.
Well... look at his handiwork now!! Dead bodies... anyone???
PV
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
A Planet Visitor
"Incubus" <inc...@river.styx> wrote in message news:xDhv9.1024$5_3....@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net...
And for a time I thought you were serious when you wrote -- "I detest all racism,
I remember my algebra from school and i respect the true concept of equality.
We are all people after all. Skin colour is only a cosmetic." Now I find you
sucking up to a racist. Go figure.. As your 'friend,' I should tell you that you
really shouldn't let desi 'wind you up,' so badly. Perhaps you need to consider
taking a break.
PV
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>>
>>
>You can talk about it all you wish,
Yep.
<snip>
I NEVER criticize abolitionists
>as a GROUP. Only in respect to what I see are sometimes the crazy
>views of a SPECIFIC abolitionist. By and large, the abolitionist view
>has much which is principled within it. Obviously, those words would
>NEVER come from you or desi in respect to the retentionist.. thus YOU
>are the 'fringe lunatic' element of YOUR 'gospel,' while I am the
'reasoned'
>element of MY 'gospel.'
Not so, Sir. I tried my very best to elicit particularly from you whether
the retentionist view might have much which is principled within it,
too...this *were* given alongside with a clear theoretical distinctability
and determinability in which case and to whom 'deserves' and 'continuing
threat' would apply and who should be spared. I found a plain zilch - there
are no rational criteria which would provide any objectivity in view of this
terms. Who lives and who dies is to 100% subjective, and so appears the
practice and reality. Thus I can appreciate your standpoint as being a
somewhat more moderate retentionist, but not more. Two undefined terms,
totally freely assignable by a jury's subjectivity, are not sufficient to
introduce principles in the death penalty.
>
><clipped>
>
>> >> I see on a NewsGroup no one as an enemy...that were nonsensical. One
can
>> >> argument the points, or engage in persistent accusations of others,
and I
>> >> see you doing the latter.
>> >>
>> >Don't give me that pathetic shit... you CERTAINLY see ME as an
enemy,....
>>
>> Sorry, I don't. You may wish so, since it would make discussion easier
for
>> your part, I however regard any opinions posted on a newsgroup not
>> appropriate to develop personal aversions. The only and single criterion
is
>> whether any post makes sense or not.
>>
>I don't wish anything, in respect to you Jürgen. IMHO, you're
anti-American,
>and painted with a good deal of anti-Semitism.
You simply created for the Jews an extra right, best described as
pro-Jewism, and had been sufficiently often challenged to put this extra
right on legal feet. The case is closed, for timeout.
As such, your words no
>longer can be viewed as unbiased, ....
What for God's sake are you talking? I am a discussioner, thus,
partial...and??? Should I claim to be a neutral and impartial referee,
arbiter, or even a moral judge on AAD-P, as you are doing all along? No,
Sir, this part stands not good to me.
but must be seen in the context of
>a bigot, just as desi's must be seen as those of a bigot.
Nonsense. I have to be no saint to present a distinct point or argument of
merit.
<snip>
>It is similar to your view... in that you do not speak against one SINGLE
>INDIVIDUAL Jew... but that you speak against THE ENTIRE BODY
>of ALL JEWS... and against the ENTIRE BODY of ALL AMERICANS
>(unless they play jazz... you hypocrite)... and that's bigotry.
What nonsense, again. Not one time I spoke against a nation, race, religious
community or population. You simply make that up.
J.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:apmoqm$7t5$06$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >>
> >> Well, I talk about YOUR phrase:
> >>
> >You can talk about it all you wish,
>
> Yep.
>
Too bad you don't make any sense when you do.
> <snip>
Once again, you have snipped the heart of the original argument.
desi made THESE statements --
of humans -- ALL retentionists. As a result of his statements I stated
in respect to his statements -- "You are a carrier of cancerous evil... a
pus filled abscess, oozing the most hideous noxious toxin on anyone
unwary enough to enter your Satanic presence."
Now, in respect to MY statement ... NEVER even examining WHY
I made my statement, you remarked - "Reading such phrases makes it
plainly impossible not to see the glaring resemblance of structure and
speach with that of the most radical and fundamentalistic kind of Muslim
preachers."
And I called you then, and I call you again.. a hypocrite. Since you
say NOTHING in respect to desi's comments, in fact clipping them
obsessively to AVOID commenting on them, while presuming to claim
that I have no 'right' to see what I see in those comments. Clearly, desi
is the Muslim zealot you speak of. It is as if he has said 'All Jews are
evil,' and I have remarked saying those 'are the words of a cancerous
evil.' Until you are prepared to remark on desi's words, either in support
or opposition to THOSE words, you are simply a hypocrite to presume
you can pass judgment on MY words, without having expressed an
opinion on desi's words. It is more than obvious that YOU WILL NOT
address desi's words, since they form the core value of YOUR OWN
'gospel,' since you would not deny those words. Thus, I find YOUR
views to be equally 'cancerous.'
<clipped irrelevant nonsense since this thread speaks of EXACTLY what
I have just presented and nothing else>
> >I don't wish anything, in respect to you Jürgen. IMHO, you're
> > anti-American,
> >and painted with a good deal of anti-Semitism.
>
> You simply created for the Jews an extra right,
No, sport... you simply would DENY a basic right. The right to exist.
> best described as
> pro-Jewism, and had been sufficiently often challenged to put this extra
> right on legal feet. The case is closed, for timeout.
>
Hardly... every time you open your mouth, you prove to be more
anti-Semitic than the time before.
> > As such, your words no
> >longer can be viewed as unbiased, ....
>
> What for God's sake are you talking? I am a discussioner, thus,
> partial...and??? Should I claim to be a neutral and impartial referee,
> arbiter, or even a moral judge on AAD-P, as you are doing all along? No,
> Sir, this part stands not good to me.
>
Hello... your view is more than 'partial' toward the Palestinian. It is a
basic denial of the right of the Jew to exist, except in the most
diluted form. Brought into a new Diaspora that you would totally
support. It is the SAME form of 'argument' that pervades desi's
words, thus I presume that is the reason you would not comment
on them. You call the Jew a 'thief,' and you accuse the U.S. of
wearing the 'star' of Judaism. You sir, are a bigot.
> >but must be seen in the context of
> >a bigot, just as desi's must be seen as those of a bigot.
>
> Nonsense. I have to be no saint to present a distinct point or argument of
> merit.
>
Oh... there is no question that you are 'no Saint.' Nor am I. But YOUR
'gospel' is filled with hate. Hate for those who would find murder disgusting,
and hate for the American and the Jew. While I realize that there is much
to say in favor of abolition, simply that I feel the advantages of retention
OUTWEIGH those of abolition. While YOURS is 'just hate.' Plain and
simple - a hate-filled 'gospel,' no different from the Muslim zealot.
> <snip>
>
> >It is similar to your view... in that you do not speak against one SINGLE
> >INDIVIDUAL Jew... but that you speak against THE ENTIRE BODY
> >of ALL JEWS... and against the ENTIRE BODY of ALL AMERICANS
> >(unless they play jazz... you hypocrite)... and that's bigotry.
>
> What nonsense, again. Not one time I spoke against a nation, race, religious
> community or population. You simply make that up.
LOL... The 'star,' Jürgen... think of the 'star.' And the fact that you have
clearly called the Jew a 'thief' of Palestinian land (whatever that is supposed
to be).
What is your opinion of the words of desi, in the three comments above that
I keep posting over and over? Until you answer that basic question, you are
in no position to criticize my feelings about those words. And you must
be viewed as a hypocrite who has criticized MY words, without examining
the words which prompted my remark.
PV
>
> J.
>
>
>
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: Enough is Enough
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:41:58 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:33:26 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> desi made THESE statements --
>
>{ snip }
>
>'Snake-haired filth' !! You've forgotten it again, you 'monster of evil',
>you !!
>
>{ snip 'nine-on-Richter-scale' spanking delivered by Jürgen }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
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Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
<snip>
>Now, in respect to MY statement ... NEVER even examining WHY
>I made my statement, you remarked - "Reading such phrases makes it
>plainly impossible not to see the glaring resemblance of structure and
>speach with that of the most radical and fundamentalistic kind of Muslim
>preachers."
>
>And I called you then, and I call you again.. a hypocrite. Since you
>say NOTHING in respect to desi's comments, in fact clipping them
>obsessively to AVOID commenting on them, while presuming to claim
>that I have no 'right' to see what I see in those comments.
I said to Desmond's comments what had to be said.
Clearly, desi
>is the Muslim zealot you speak of. It is as if he has said 'All Jews are
>evil,' and I have remarked saying those 'are the words of a cancerous
>evil.' Until you are prepared to remark on desi's words, either in
support
>or opposition to THOSE words, you are simply a hypocrite to presume
>you can pass judgment on MY words, without having expressed an
>opinion on desi's words. It is more than obvious that YOU WILL NOT
>address desi's words, since they form the core value of YOUR OWN
>'gospel,' since you would not deny those words. Thus, I find YOUR
>views to be equally 'cancerous.'
>
><clipped irrelevant nonsense since this thread speaks of EXACTLY what
>I have just presented and nothing else>
>
>> >I don't wish anything, in respect to you Jürgen. IMHO, you're
>> > anti-American,
>> >and painted with a good deal of anti-Semitism.
>>
>> You simply created for the Jews an extra right,
>
>No, sport... you simply would DENY a basic right. The right to exist.
This one is what is called a lie.
>
>> best described as
>> pro-Jewism, and had been sufficiently often challenged to put this extra
>> right on legal feet. The case is closed, for timeout.
>>
>Hardly... every time you open your mouth, you prove to be more
>anti-Semitic than the time before.
>
>> > As such, your words no
>> >longer can be viewed as unbiased, ....
>>
>> What for God's sake are you talking? I am a discussioner, thus,
>> partial...and??? Should I claim to be a neutral and impartial referee,
>> arbiter, or even a moral judge on AAD-P, as you are doing all along? No,
>> Sir, this part stands not good to me.
>>
>Hello... your view is more than 'partial' toward the Palestinian. It is a
>basic denial of the right of the Jew to exist, except in the most
>diluted form.
You are deliberately using the term "The Jew", do you? This allows to blur
individual humans' right to life and a religious community's claim to their
own state, while in reality these are two totally separate and independent
questions and issues. This issues I am not going to discuss anymore with
you.
Brought into a new Diaspora that you would totally
>support. It is the SAME form of 'argument' that pervades desi's
>words, thus I presume that is the reason you would not comment
>on them. You call the Jew a 'thief,' and you accuse the U.S. of
>wearing the 'star' of Judaism. You sir, are a bigot.
You, Sir, are not my judge.
I called nobody a thief, and I wrote not one single word against the
continued existence of the State of Israel. You are simply and persistently
lying.
>
>> >but must be seen in the context of
>> >a bigot, just as desi's must be seen as those of a bigot.
>>
>> Nonsense. I have to be no saint to present a distinct point or argument
of
>> merit.
>>
>Oh... there is no question that you are 'no Saint.' Nor am I. But YOUR
>'gospel' is filled with hate. Hate for those who would find murder
disgusting,
>and hate for the American and the Jew.
Nope. The only hate lies in what you would like to put in my mouth.
While I realize that there is much
>to say in favor of abolition, ......
Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality is
clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
....simply that I feel the advantages of
retention
>OUTWEIGH those of abolition.
Well, you stated ca: 'The CJS needs deep repair', and you stated that
because you'd like to pamper what is proceeding under the coverage of
justice in huge parts of your nation.
I think you are white and middle-class, thus, not too jeopardized by your
'justice'-system's modus operandi - so I am not too surprized about your
claim to "feel the advantages of retention OUTWEIGH those of abolition".
The death penalty as a motor for political careers has contributed a huge
part to the total destruction of any idea of justice. There is nothing to
"repair" anymore, the US are in need of a new setup for whole the
jurisprudental triplet.
While YOURS is 'just hate.' Plain and
>simple - a hate-filled 'gospel,' no different from the Muslim zealot.
"Just hate", probably meant in the sense of 'simply hate', can be
interpreted somewhat differently. Is there any "just hate" at all?
<further attempts to make me appear a hatemonger snipped>
As told, to Desmond's comments I said what had to be said: I disagree with
his unanimous judgement concerning retentionists - but I _do_see_ that the
sort of retentionists mentioned by him are existing and that executions are
providing them with sort of legitimation for their insanity.
This point alone is WAY SUFFICIENT to establish a much greater damage than
good done to society by capital punishment.
J.
P.s. You are going to execute the NG by boring any single discussioner to
death with your private war against Desmond. You should pause for a week and
take a very deep look at your style. Desmond is absolutely provocative, and
I do guess his posts for quite intended exaggerations. Your reactions
however play on another stage.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:app459$hlp$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
> <snip>
>
> >Now, in respect to MY statement ... NEVER even examining WHY
> >I made my statement, you remarked - "Reading such phrases makes it
> >plainly impossible not to see the glaring resemblance of structure and
> >speach with that of the most radical and fundamentalistic kind of Muslim
> >preachers."
> >
> >And I called you then, and I call you again.. a hypocrite. Since you
> >say NOTHING in respect to desi's comments, in fact clipping them
> >obsessively to AVOID commenting on them, while presuming to claim
> >that I have no 'right' to see what I see in those comments.
>
> I said to Desmond's comments what had to be said.
>
on my remark, calling it "radical and fundamentalistic kind of Muslim
preachers," when that was EXACTLY the method used in desi's posts,
not mine. Since mine was clearly directed against ONE SPECIFIC
individual, while his was directed against an entire CLASS of humans,
much as a Muslim-zealot.
> >Clearly, desi
> >is the Muslim zealot you speak of. It is as if he has said 'All Jews are
> >evil,' and I have remarked saying those 'are the words of a cancerous
> >evil.' Until you are prepared to remark on desi's words, either in
> >support
> >or opposition to THOSE words, you are simply a hypocrite to presume
> >you can pass judgment on MY words, without having expressed an
> >opinion on desi's words. It is more than obvious that YOU WILL NOT
> >address desi's words, since they form the core value of YOUR OWN
> >'gospel,' since you would not deny those words. Thus, I find YOUR
> >views to be equally 'cancerous.'
> >
> ><clipped irrelevant nonsense since this thread speaks of EXACTLY what
> >I have just presented and nothing else>
> >
> >> >I don't wish anything, in respect to you Jürgen. IMHO, you're
> >> > anti-American,
> >> >and painted with a good deal of anti-Semitism.
> >>
> >> You simply created for the Jews an extra right,
> >
> >No, sport... you simply would DENY a basic right. The right to exist.
>
> This one is what is called a lie.
>
Hardly... what it is, is your inability to see what is within your own words.
You have certainly claimed that Israel does NOT have a de jure 'right' to
exist.
> >
> >> best described as
> >> pro-Jewism, and had been sufficiently often challenged to put this extra
> >> right on legal feet. The case is closed, for timeout.
> >>
> >Hardly... every time you open your mouth, you prove to be more
> >anti-Semitic than the time before.
> >
> >> > As such, your words no
> >> >longer can be viewed as unbiased, ....
> >>
> >> What for God's sake are you talking? I am a discussioner, thus,
> >> partial...and??? Should I claim to be a neutral and impartial referee,
> >> arbiter, or even a moral judge on AAD-P, as you are doing all along? No,
> >> Sir, this part stands not good to me.
> >>
> >Hello... your view is more than 'partial' toward the Palestinian. It is a
> >basic denial of the right of the Jew to exist, except in the most
> >diluted form.
>
> You are deliberately using the term "The Jew", do you? This allows to blur
> individual humans' right to life and a religious community's claim to their
> own state, while in reality these are two totally separate and independent
> questions and issues. This issues I am not going to discuss anymore with
> you.
>
I didn't think you would. Since you've already embarrassed yourself
considerably.
> >Brought into a new Diaspora that you would totally
> >support. It is the SAME form of 'argument' that pervades desi's
> >words, thus I presume that is the reason you would not comment
> >on them. You call the Jew a 'thief,' and you accuse the U.S. of
> >wearing the 'star' of Judaism. You sir, are a bigot.
>
> You, Sir, are not my judge.
>
Someone WILL BE, Sir. You can be sure of that.
> I called nobody a thief, and I wrote not one single word against the
> continued existence of the State of Israel. You are simply and persistently
> lying.
>
Quite clearly you called the U.N., the U.S., and the Jew all thieves. Since
one of your many words in that respect were "why in this case land-theft was
legitime, as you claim" Accusing of 'land-theft' is to call someone a 'thief.'
> >
> >> >but must be seen in the context of
> >> >a bigot, just as desi's must be seen as those of a bigot.
> >>
> >> Nonsense. I have to be no saint to present a distinct point or argument
> > > of
> >> merit.
> >>
> >Oh... there is no question that you are 'no Saint.' Nor am I. But YOUR
> >'gospel' is filled with hate. Hate for those who would find murder
> disgusting,
> >and hate for the American and the Jew.
>
> Nope. The only hate lies in what you would like to put in my mouth.
>
You put hate in your OWN WORDS, sport. I simply pointed out how I found
those words. In my eyes, you are what I've called you... others may find
you differently, but they do not matter in respect to MY opinion. Clearly,
calling it 'land-theft' and painting a 'star' on the banner of the U.S. to
signify in your words that Israel is the 53rd U.S. State are hateful
statements... nothing else.
> >While I realize that there is much
> >to say in favor of abolition, ......
>
> Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality is
> clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
>
If ANYONE is unwilling to analyze the U.S. DP it is YOU. You are
among the most hardheaded posters in this group. Just in another
thread you claim that because two murderers, both convicted
of the same offense, might find one sentenced to the DP, and the
other not, that there is no equity in the DP. But that's absurd, since
the circumstances surrounding EVERY murder are different. And
clearly one may be found as suitable for the DP, and the other not.
Just as one armed robber may be sentenced to the maximum, and
another not.
> ....simply that I feel the advantages of
> >retention
> >OUTWEIGH those of abolition.
>
> Well, you stated ca: 'The CJS needs deep repair', and you stated that
> because you'd like to pamper what is proceeding under the coverage of
> justice in huge parts of your nation.
>
The CJS is NOT the DP. Nor would eliminating the DP FIX the CJS,
anymore than eliminating ANY penalty would fix the CJS. It would
only serve to EXCUSE murder to a certain extent.
> I think you are white and middle-class, thus, not too jeopardized by your
> 'justice'-system's modus operandi - so I am not too surprized about your
> claim to "feel the advantages of retention OUTWEIGH those of abolition".
>
Oh... I do believe that's a rather racist statement. Implying that my
race has something to do with my agenda. I am a citizen of my country,
and am well able to have a voice in the justice system's modus operandi.
Since YOU are not threatened by ANY factor of the U.S. Justice System
or the DP, your views have quite a bit less value than MINE. I do not
deny you the right to make your views known. BUT DO NOT DENY ME
THE RIGHT TO MAKE MY VIEWS KNOWN. And do not presume, to
play any race card, that would say my race has shaded my view, or that
my race means my views have less validity. Since it is MY society, not
yours. It is the typical hypocrisy I see in ALL YOUR VIEWS.
> The death penalty as a motor for political careers has contributed a huge
> part to the total destruction of any idea of justice. There is nothing to
> "repair" anymore, the US are in need of a new setup for whole the
> jurisprudental triplet.
>
That's just more of your hysterical raving... since it is obvious you are
unqualified to make such an evaluation, and are simply speaking
through that orifice that resides in the rear of your body, at the top of
your legs. It is as hysterical, and as ignorant a claim as your planting
of a 'star' on the U.S. Banner. In fact, your words here, are again an
implication on your part that the justice system is run by 'evil men,'
intent only on their political careers, while you've said before that you never
implied 'evil.' It is clearly an anti-American statement in respect to an
entire group of Americans.
> >While YOURS is 'just hate.' Plain and
> >simple - a hate-filled 'gospel,' no different from the Muslim zealot.
>
> "Just hate", probably meant in the sense of 'simply hate', can be
> interpreted somewhat differently. Is there any "just hate" at all?
>
????????????? 'Just' meant as 'exactly, precisely.'. Devoid of any
other sensibility.
> <further attempts to make me appear a hatemonger snipped>
>
Oh, you need no help from me... you do quite a good job of mongering
hate, with your own words.
> As told, to Desmond's comments I said what had to be said: I disagree with
> his unanimous judgement concerning retentionists - but I _do_see_ that the
> sort of retentionists mentioned by him are existing and that executions are
> providing them with sort of legitimation for their insanity.
>
Just as you did with your 'Israel has no de jure right to exist,' you now
hope to back away from the miserable attempt you have made to
JUSTIFY the words of desi, by attacking MY words, without speaking
of his words at all. Now you provide the most tepid form of 'disagreement'
possible, while STILL presuming his words are something other than
that of the Muslim-zealot that you claimed of MY words.
> This point alone is WAY SUFFICIENT to establish a much greater damage than
> good done to society by capital punishment.
>
Not hardly. Capital punishment INSURES that the murderer executed
will NEVER murder again. No other form of penalty for ANY crime,
can make such a claim.
PV
> J.
>
> P.s. You are going to execute the NG by boring any single discussioner to
> death with your private war against Desmond. You should pause for a week and
> take a very deep look at your style. Desmond is absolutely provocative, and
> I do guess his posts for quite intended exaggerations. Your reactions
> however play on another stage.
>
You should mind your own fucking business in respect to desi and me.
Clearly YOU stuck your nose in here, in respect to my post to desi.
So if you don't wish it to be snipped off, then keep it out. You may
do whatever you wish in respect to that argument, except tell ME to
'pause.' Since, once again, no one has yet appointed you God, although
you often presume yourself to be. If you intend to comment on my
argument with desi, then do not expect me to sit back docilely, and
permit you to insult me. If you find desi's posts to be intended exaggerations
then you should tell DESI, and not bother me.
PV
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht
<SSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssnnnip>
>> >While I realize that there is much
>> >to say in favor of abolition, ......
>>
>> Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality is
>> clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
>>
>If ANYONE is unwilling to analyze the U.S. DP it is YOU.
I gave you a couple of cases to discuss. Cases and the correlated analyses.
You are
>among the most hardheaded posters in this group. Just in another
>thread you claim that because two murderers, both convicted
>of the same offense, might find one sentenced to the DP, and the
>other not, that there is no equity in the DP. But that's absurd, since
>the circumstances surrounding EVERY murder are different. And
>clearly one may be found as suitable for the DP, and the other not.
>Just as one armed robber may be sentenced to the maximum, and
>another not.
>
>> ....simply that I feel the advantages of
>> >retention
>> >OUTWEIGH those of abolition.
>>
>> Well, you stated ca: 'The CJS needs deep repair', and you stated that
>> because you'd like to pamper what is proceeding under the coverage of
>> justice in huge parts of your nation.
>>
>The CJS is NOT the DP. Nor would eliminating the DP FIX the CJS,
>anymore than eliminating ANY penalty would fix the CJS. It would
>only serve to EXCUSE murder to a certain extent.
There is strong reason to conclude to capital punishment as playing a huge
part in the most pathetic state in which the US-jurisprudence actually is.
>
>> The death penalty as a motor for political careers has contributed a huge
>> part to the total destruction of any idea of justice. There is nothing to
>> "repair" anymore, the US are in need of a new setup for whole the
>> jurisprudental triplet.
>>
>That's just more of your hysterical raving... since it is obvious you are
>unqualified to make such an evaluation, ....
Well, a suggestion. If you US want to disqualify me and other foreigners
from evaluating particular cases, as whom you sentence to death and whom you
execute for which deeds and under what circumstances then all you have to do
is to follow Putin's example and to instate a tough censorship upon trials
and news.
But as long as there is opportunity to obtain the facts of particular cases,
as long you will be criticized, precisely and well-foundedly.
<obscenity snipped>
>>
>Just as you did with your 'Israel has no de jure right to exist,' you now
>hope to back away from the miserable attempt you have made to
>JUSTIFY the words of desi, by attacking MY words, without speaking
>of his words at all. Now you provide the most tepid form of 'disagreement'
>possible, while STILL presuming his words are something other than
>that of the Muslim-zealot that you claimed of MY words.
>
>> This point alone is WAY SUFFICIENT to establish a much greater damage
than
>> good done to society by capital punishment.
>>
>Not hardly. Capital punishment INSURES that the murderer executed
>will NEVER murder again. No other form of penalty for ANY crime,
>can make such a claim.
>
......- but I _do_see_ that the sort of retentionists mentioned by him are
existing and that executions are providing them with sort of legitimation
for their insanity. Bien sure.
...and finally:
<snip>
J.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:aps9re$3vi$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht
> <0v3w9.90958$r7.16...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
> <SSSSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssnnnip>
>
> >> >While I realize that there is much
> >> >to say in favor of abolition, ......
> >>
> >> Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality is
> >> clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
> >>
> >If ANYONE is unwilling to analyze the U.S. DP it is YOU.
>
> I gave you a couple of cases to discuss. Cases and the correlated analyses.
>
I discussed EVERY case you offered. You just didn't like my
answers? That's tough.. Suppose YOU discuss Ted Bundy,
Theodore Frank and John Wayne Gacy for starters?
>
> You are
> >among the most hardheaded posters in this group. Just in another
> >thread you claim that because two murderers, both convicted
> >of the same offense, might find one sentenced to the DP, and the
> >other not, that there is no equity in the DP. But that's absurd, since
> >the circumstances surrounding EVERY murder are different. And
> >clearly one may be found as suitable for the DP, and the other not.
> >Just as one armed robber may be sentenced to the maximum, and
> >another not.
> >
> >> ....simply that I feel the advantages of
> >> >retention
> >> >OUTWEIGH those of abolition.
> >>
> >> Well, you stated ca: 'The CJS needs deep repair', and you stated that
> >> because you'd like to pamper what is proceeding under the coverage of
> >> justice in huge parts of your nation.
> >>
> >The CJS is NOT the DP. Nor would eliminating the DP FIX the CJS,
> >anymore than eliminating ANY penalty would fix the CJS. It would
> >only serve to EXCUSE murder to a certain extent.
>
> There is strong reason to conclude to capital punishment as playing a huge
> part in the most pathetic state in which the US-jurisprudence actually is.
>
Only in YOUR mind. One cannot EXCUSE murder, by claiming the
CJS has flaws.
> >
> >> The death penalty as a motor for political careers has contributed a huge
> >> part to the total destruction of any idea of justice. There is nothing to
> >> "repair" anymore, the US are in need of a new setup for whole the
> >> jurisprudental triplet.
> >>
> >That's just more of your hysterical raving... since it is obvious you are
> >unqualified to make such an evaluation, ....
>
> Well, a suggestion. If you US want to disqualify me and other foreigners
> from evaluating particular cases, as whom you sentence to death and whom you
> execute for which deeds and under what circumstances then all you have to do
> is to follow Putin's example and to instate a tough censorship upon trials
> and news.
>
I did not say 'disqualify,' which is how you ALWAYS try to twist words.
I said 'unqualified,' and you certainly ARE. You have a 'right' to speak
your mind, but you do not have a 'right' to presume you are 'qualified,'
since you are quite removed from the process. Your comments ALWAYS
relate to an 'emotional' aspect, which hardly presumes you are 'qualified'
to make an objective evaluation. In every case you offer, I have ALWAYS
found you only offer 'subjective' claptrap, presuming YOU and YOUR
society are 'better.' And my words are quite shown as justified by the
meaningless claptrap you have just written above, inserting some
'meaningless drivel,' about "Putin's example...." How about YOUR
Muslim-zealot example?
> But as long as there is opportunity to obtain the facts of particular cases,
> as long you will be criticized, precisely and well-foundedly.
>
ROTFLMAO... you do not know the MEANING of 'precisely and well-founded.'
You make that up as you go along.
>
> <obscenity snipped>
You mean the part where I demonstrate you have made a rather racist
statement? "Implying that my race has something to do with my agenda.
I am a citizen of my country, and am well able to have a voice in the justice
system's modus operandi. Since YOU are not threatened by ANY factor
of the U.S. Justice System or the DP, your views have quite a bit less value
than MINE. I do not deny you the right to make your views known. BUT
DO NOT DENY ME THE RIGHT TO MAKE MY VIEWS KNOWN. And do
not presume, to play any race card, that would say my race has shaded
my view, or that my race means my views have less validity. Since it is
MY society, not yours. It is the typical hypocrisy I see in ALL YOUR
VIEWS."
You should be more careful of your words, when you accuse ME of some
form of 'racist view of the justice system.'
> >>
> >Just as you did with your 'Israel has no de jure right to exist,' you now
> >hope to back away from the miserable attempt you have made to
> >JUSTIFY the words of desi, by attacking MY words, without speaking
> >of his words at all. Now you provide the most tepid form of 'disagreement'
> >possible, while STILL presuming his words are something other than
> >that of the Muslim-zealot that you claimed of MY words.
> >
> >> This point alone is WAY SUFFICIENT to establish a much greater damage
> >> than
> >> good done to society by capital punishment.
> >>
> >Not hardly. Capital punishment INSURES that the murderer executed
> >will NEVER murder again. No other form of penalty for ANY crime,
> >can make such a claim.
> >
> ......- but I _do_see_ that the sort of retentionists mentioned by him are
> existing and that executions are providing them with sort of legitimation
> for their insanity. Bien sure.
So you are just as sick as he is... thanks for the admission. The point is,
one must speak of SPECIFIC examples, rather than the cancerous rot
that he puts out, which would presume that EVERY retentionist is
the same. That CANNOT pass as anything but bigotry. Clearly, if
we speak of depravity existing among retentionists... we must be
EXACT... as I have been EXACT about finding depravity in the posts
of desi. I do not brush all abolitionists with that brush of depravity, as
he (and now YOU), would do with all retentionists. But I certainly brush
HIM -- SPECIFICALLY HIM - with that brush of depravity. And I have
provided PROOF of his depravity.
>
> ...and finally:
> <snip>
>
And finally... you are proven to be a bigot, if you support the bigotry that
foams from the disgusting bile of desi's pen. And your 'selective' snipping,
demonstrates very clearly how you are losing your grip in this particular
argument. Unable to bring yourself to condemning desi... but knowing
full well he deserves your condemnation. Presuming you can attack
ME for having provided the correct condemnation of desi's comments.
When will you ever get some backbone? Instead of holding to the
'party-line of desi's Muslim zealotry'?
PV
> J.
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>> >>
>> >> Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality is
>> >> clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
>> >>
>> >If ANYONE is unwilling to analyze the U.S. DP it is YOU.
>>
>> I gave you a couple of cases to discuss. Cases and the correlated
analyses.
>>
>I discussed EVERY case you offered. You just didn't like my
>answers?
Your answers. That was, IIRC, ca. 'All executions are ever done with best
intention'. Modest, Sir.
<snip>
>> >>
>> >Not hardly. Capital punishment INSURES that the murderer executed
>> >will NEVER murder again. No other form of penalty for ANY crime,
>> >can make such a claim.
>> >
>> ......- but I _do_see_ that the sort of retentionists mentioned by him
are
>> existing and that executions are providing them with sort of legitimation
>> for their insanity. Bien sure.
>
>So you are just as sick as he is... thanks for the
admission.................
Well, of course you see the sort of retentionists mentioned above, too. You
merely want to pamper the US-DP.
J.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:aptrc1$3hh$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality is
> >> >> clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
> >> >>
> >> >If ANYONE is unwilling to analyze the U.S. DP it is YOU.
> >>
> >> I gave you a couple of cases to discuss. Cases and the correlated
> analyses.
> >>
> >I discussed EVERY case you offered. You just didn't like my
> >answers?
>
> Your answers. That was, IIRC, ca. 'All executions are ever done with best
> intention'. Modest, Sir.
>
The 'intentions' are always those viewed in respect to the crime in question
and the character of the murderer. It is you who has presumed there is
an 'evil' intent in those who find themselves judges in any sense, in
respect to the DP.
> <snip>
>
> >> >>
> >> >Not hardly. Capital punishment INSURES that the murderer executed
> >> >will NEVER murder again. No other form of penalty for ANY crime,
> >> >can make such a claim.
> >> >
> >> ......- but I _do_see_ that the sort of retentionists mentioned by him
> are
> >> existing and that executions are providing them with sort of legitimation
> >> for their insanity. Bien sure.
> >
> >So you are just as sick as he is... thanks for the
> admission.................
>
> Well, of course you see the sort of retentionists mentioned above, too. You
> merely want to pamper the US-DP.
>
While you merely want to pamper desi. I'll have you know that he is no
better than the worst of retentionists. As evidenced by his words --- again:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) "When we as abolitionists, gaze down into the pit, and see the teeming
mass of deathies. When we shield our noses from the fetid stench of
rotting corpses mixed with the fresh smell of semen. When we look upon
their squat, evil faces, and yellow hate-filled eyes ... we, as dwellers
of the Light, have a moral duty to lift them from their vile, repulsive,
bestial fantasies. We must show them that orgasming over death, is not
the way that they show their humanity.
We are their betters. Unquestionably better. They dwell in the darkness.
We must bring them to the Light."
2) "I engage in 'abuse' of deathies as a matter of course. That's what they're
there for. `echo $DEITY` gave them to us, much as She gave sparrows to
the domestic cat. They're our playthings. They have no relevance in the
real world, except to remind us of the dark side to human nature, that can
exist in all of us. They're like child rapists. Nazis. Torturers of
small animals.
All this pretence of 'let's be civil to one another' is nauseating. How can
you be 'civil' to garbage ?"
3) "The deathies will look upon his departure, wipe the saliva from their chins,
and go back to masturbating over images of the 'gurney' (sic), or the
electric chair. We, the moral masters, the abolitionists, must show them
the huge damage that they have done, by driving out the only reasonable
one in their filthy midst."
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PV
> J.
>
>
>
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht
>
>"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:aptrc1$3hh$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
>>
>> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>>
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nope. You realize absolutely nothing. What the US-DP is in reality
is
>> >> >> clearly perceivable, whilst you refuse to analyze.
>> >> >>
>> >> >If ANYONE is unwilling to analyze the U.S. DP it is YOU.
>> >>
>> >> I gave you a couple of cases to discuss. Cases and the correlated
>> analyses.
>> >>
>> >I discussed EVERY case you offered. You just didn't like my
>> >answers?
>>
>> Your answers. That was, IIRC, ca. 'All executions are ever done with best
>> intention'. Modest, Sir.
>>
>Yet, meaningful. Executions are never done with the 'worst of intentions.'
Dogma, Sir. Your fine elected chaps are using the death penalty for their
promotion and careers - that's barely in question. On the moral quality of
this procedere I do not comment.
J.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:aq9dfb$o2s$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
Dogma!!! Dogma??? If anything is DOGMA... it is your simplistic
response to a very clear concept. Clearly, you are again 'accusing'
all those in the Justice System of being 'evil.' Something you deny
over and over... but something that is in evidence in just about every
one of your posts. And you may comment of the SUBJECTIVE
'moral' view you take on the DP all you wish... because it means
diddly squat in respect to any OBJECTIVE 'morality. Your 'moral' view
is ONLY YOURS. Others can certainly find a SUBJECTIVE 'moral'
meaning to the DP. I certainly do.
PV
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
>
Jürgen
No concept in the US-DP is perceivable, other than that some people build
their careers upon it.
J.
JIGSAW1695
Date: 11/6/2002 5:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <aqc37b$nb$07$1...@news.t-online.com>
J.
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Well, some people have to defend the murderous scum.
Oh Yea Jurgen...one other thing. I asked you earlier if Germany has a
conspiracy law.
You have yet to answer that question.
Jigsaw
- The Original "J"
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:aqc37b$nb$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
TRANSLATION -- "I am too blind to see that murderers murder. So I
will instead call all those involved in punishing murderers, 'evil'"
PV
>
> J.
>
>
>
Jürgen
JIGSAW1695 schrieb in Nachricht
<20021106174819...@mb-ml.aol.com>...
I "have" to answer nothing, Monsignore. You failed to put the
conspiracy-claim on any reasonable fundament.
Bye bye
J.
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <aqctck$6p9$02$1...@news.t-online.com>
Bye bye
J
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<< Sigh >>
Troll.
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>>
>> No concept in the US-DP is perceivable, other than that some people build
>> their careers upon it.
>
>TRANSLATION -- "I am too blind to see that murderers murder. So I
>will instead call all those involved in punishing murderers, 'evil'"
>
Well, I stated over and over that no plausible difference for the
overwhelming number of executions is perceivable if the condemneds' crime
and culpability are compared with other crimes and cases of not
death-sentenced offenders. I gave you examples, whilst you took barely any
clear position of your own to the legal decisions in this cases, and claimed
simply any hidden knowledge of judges and juries which should reason and
justify the ununderstandable harshness of this death sentences.
To assign to *any* CJS's decision high moral ground only because it is the
CJS which made the decision, which is what you do, is dogmatic.
J.
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <aqe4bg$n54$01$1...@news.t-online.com>
==============================
Translation:..................????
J.
Jürgen
JIGSAW1695 schrieb in Nachricht
<20021107114743...@mb-mp.aol.com>...
Ich habe wieder und wieder festgestellt, daß für den allergrößten Teil der
Exekutionen keinerlei plausibler Unterschied zu beobachten ist, so man die
Verbrechen und die Schuldfähigkeit der Verurteilten mit anderen Verbrechen
und Fällen nicht zum Tode Verurteilter vergleicht. Ich habe Ihnen Beispiele
genannt, während Sie kaum eine klare eigene Position zu den juristischen
Entscheidungen in ebendiesen Fällen bezogen haben, sondern schlichtweg ein
verborgenes Wissen von Richtern und Juries behaupteten, welches die
unverständliche Härte dieser Todesurteile begründen und rechtfertigen
sollte.
Einer *jeder* Entscheidung eines Strafjustizsystems aus dem einzigen Grund,
daß eben dieses Justizsystem diese Entscheidung getroffen hat, eine hohe
moralische Ebene zu bescheinigen, wie Sie es tun, ist dogmatisch.
J.
JIGSAW1695
Message-id: <aqea76$9dt$05$1...@news.t-online.com>
J.
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Pit you cant write as well in English.
Translation please. Make it understandable.
Jigsaw
PS: LOL good one. : )
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:aqe4bg$n54$01$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
> >>
> >> No concept in the US-DP is perceivable, other than that some people build
> >> their careers upon it.
> >
> >TRANSLATION -- "I am too blind to see that murderers murder. So I
> >will instead call all those involved in punishing murderers, 'evil'"
> >
>
> Well, I stated over and over that no plausible difference for the
> overwhelming number of executions is perceivable if the condemneds' crime
> and culpability are compared with other crimes and cases of not
> death-sentenced offenders.
How many times must I tell you that no matter how many times
YOU state a falsehood, it can never become the truth, simply because
you say it often.
> I gave you examples, whilst you took barely any
> clear position of your own to the legal decisions in this cases, and claimed
> simply any hidden knowledge of judges and juries which should reason and
> justify the ununderstandable harshness of this death sentences.
> To assign to *any* CJS's decision high moral ground only because it is the
> CJS which made the decision, which is what you do, is dogmatic.
Huh??? Don't even presume that you're making any sense here.
When the CJS doesn't meet 'my moral ground,' in MY subjective
view, that says NOTHING about any objective moral ground. Because
there IS NONE. Objective morality simply doesn't exist. The TOTALITY
of the CJS implementation of the DP -- the TOTALITY of those 805 or
so proven murderers that we have executed, meets my subjective
moral ground. It is not necessary that EACH and EVERY ONE of those
805 meet my subjective moral ground, if I find the TOTALITY has
met that ground, in the belief that it has saved innocent lives.
We have been down this avenue so many times, and STILL you are
unable to separate your emotional view from the practical view that
we MUST HAVE saved innocent lives by executing the TOTALITY
of those 805 PROVEN MURDERERS. You have allowed your
EMOTIONAL view to blind you to the lives SAVED through execution,
and can only see the 'pity' you hold for murderers. You presume that
they are ALL 'worth' those future innocent murder victims. Trust me...
not a one of them... from Karla Faye Tucker to anyone of them you
name was worth ONE new innocent life. Because they were ALL
murderers. I do not need to support EACH AND EVERY execution
in the U.S., to recognize that the CONCEPT of the DP, as it is
IMPLEMENTED in the U.S. has SAVED innocent lives. Just as
my support for my government does not require me to support each
and every action that it takes, if I feel the totality of the actions it takes
serve the interests of my country.
PV
>
> J.
>
>
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>
>
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