WAR
John Rennie
Below is the leading editorial in today's Daily Mail. For the benefit of
American posters, the Daily Mail is Britain's most right wing tabloid; some
of its editorial opinion which is frequently allowed to creep into its
reportage is no less than racist. So if any newspaper in this country were
to be pro Bush it would be the Mail.
"WHY PARLIAMENT MUST BE RECALLED
When the Prime Minister tells a television interviewer he is prepared to pay
'the blood price' for supporting America against Iraq and that Britain must
be there 'when the shooting starts',there can no longer be any question
about an early recall of Parliament.
Leader of the Commons, Robin Cook, is plainly right to think it
'inconceivable' that British troops would be committed to war without a
proper debate.
But events are moving fast. Yesterday Washington confirmed that armoured
vehicles have been deployed in Kuwait, near the Iraqi border. American
troops are training in the desert. Four carrier groups will be in the
region within weeks.
Meanwhile, President Bush has mended fences at home by promising to consult
Congress. Next week he will warn the UN that its credibility is at stake.
In the meantime, he plans urgent consultations with Russia, China and
France. And of course, his closest ally, Tony Blair, will be at Camp
David tomorrow for what is clearly a council of war.
The one glaring omission in all these preparations is that the case for war
just hasn't been made. In Britain and the rest of the world, public
opinion is firmly against military action. In America, support for Mr Bush
is plummeting. Clearly, Mr Blair must publish his famous dossier - and
quickly - on the threat posed by Saddam. The public will never be
persuaded of the need for action unless it is presented with evidence that
simply can't be ignored. And even then, the mood will be one of deep
foreboding.
After all there will certainly be casualties as Saddam fights for survival.
The Middle East will be plunged into deeper turmoil. Iraq itself could fall
apart. The unintended consequences could reverberate disastrously for
decades. The attempted of Afghanistan's Hamid Karzai yesterday and the
spate of car bombings in that country show that even successful wars leave
huge problems behind.
And if Iraq is attacked, why not the equally nasty and dangerous North
Korea? Why not Iran, which shelters Al Qaeda leaders? There are plenty
of heavily armed rogue states. Are we to declare war on them all?
Mr Blair says such questions are 'perfectly reasonable' but hasn't yet begun
to answer them. Yet the crisis grows more dangerous by the day. There may
not be much time before the shooting starts and there is still a huge job of
persuading to do.
The sooner Mr Blair publishes his dossier and allows a debate based on facts
rather than mere rhetoric, the better."
incubus
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> Le Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:27:21 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > Clearly, Mr Blair must publish his famous dossier - and
> > quickly - on the threat posed by Saddam.
>
> asked us to swallow, concerning the 'involvement' of Ben Laden, in the
> WTC attacks.
>
> 'It proves he was involved !!'
> 'Erm ... how ?'
> 'He admitted it, there, on film !!'
> 'He did ? Show me ...'
> <fx: runs tape ...>
> 'All I can see is his saying that the attacks were a good thing.'
> 'Yes, and that proves that he was behind them !'
> 'By that criterion, 80% of the planet, was "behind" the attacks ...'
>
> { snip }
>
> > The sooner Mr Blair publishes his dossier and allows a debate based on
facts
> > rather than mere rhetoric, the better."
>
>
I saw footage of the cities just after the attacks. There was a surprising
amount of dust ash fallout. Those people didn't think the attacks were a
good idea
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:28:49 +0000
>
>Le Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:27:21 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Clearly, Mr Blair must publish his famous dossier - and
>> quickly - on the threat posed by Saddam.
>
>What for ? It will only contain more 'proof' of the kind that they
>asked us to swallow, concerning the 'involvement' of Ben Laden, in the
>WTC attacks.
>
>'It proves he was involved !!'
>'Erm ... how ?'
>'He admitted it, there, on film !!'
>'He did ? Show me ...'
><fx: runs tape ...>
>'All I can see is his saying that the attacks were a good thing.'
>'Yes, and that proves that he was behind them !'
>'By that criterion, 80% of the planet, was "behind" the attacks ...'
>
>{ snip }
>
>> The sooner Mr Blair publishes his dossier and allows a debate based on
>facts
>> rather than mere rhetoric, the better."
>
>This should be good ...
>
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Desi is afraid of his own words! He can be reached at des...@noos.fr or
des...@zeouane.org.
As everyone knows, only COWARDS forge posts yet don't allow their own to be
archived!
Now Desi, Tell us about the Baltimore County police.
Hugh Neary
wrote:
Perhaps they should have seen that Americas continuing interference in
the Middle East might have provoked a little anti American feedback
from certain quarters.
Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat? The US &
Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory they
claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks to
sanctions.
The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass destruction"
only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has these
weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces of
justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
HN
incubus
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
news:vshjnu8vrb3vqbs6n...@4ax.com...
that does not justify the mass murder of innocents or the diabolical horror
felt by those who witnessed it.
>
> Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat?
Can anybody seriously consider the innocents in those aircraft a threat?
>The US &
> Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory they
> claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks to
> sanctions.
what? all of us? I am not dropping bombs on anyone unless you count methane
ones
>
> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass destruction"
> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has these
> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces of
> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
Are you inferring that the Americans are bullies?
>
> HN
>
Hugh Neary
wrote:
Correct! But if injustice is rife, people will not stand for it. The
WTC bombing was an abomination, but it was also an understandable
reaction to Americas interference in the Middle East.
>>
>> Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat?
>
>Can anybody seriously consider the innocents in those aircraft a threat?
Perhaps they were potential threat's. Any one of those could have had
chemical weapon manufacture or weapons of mass destruction production
dtails outlined in their office planner. So this at least would meet
Bush's justification for their removal.
Remember Incubus, the name of the game is now to pronounce people
guilty before they have done the deed.
>
>>The US &
>> Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory they
>> claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks to
>> sanctions.
>
>what? all of us? I am not dropping bombs on anyone unless you count methane
>ones
>
If you pay taxes.............
>>
>> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
>> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass destruction"
>> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has these
>> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces of
>> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
>
>Are you inferring that the Americans are bullies?
And cowards. When did they ever fight an evenly matched war? Come to
think of it, even their attempts to quell the peasants in Vietnam
wasn't a great success, so outside of bullying they are not likely to
be too successful are they?
HN
>>
>> HN
>>
>
incubus
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
No it wasn't understandable. Attacking innocent civilians in the name of
politics or religion or whatever is never understandable. That's what the
militery services are there for :-D
the military are trained cannon fodder
>
> >>
> >> Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat?
> >
> >Can anybody seriously consider the innocents in those aircraft a threat?
>
> Perhaps they were potential threat's.
No more than the populace of Iraq. Personally i think all this "attacking
the civilian" method these governments seem to use is bloody sick
>Any one of those could have had
> chemical weapon manufacture or weapons of mass destruction production
> dtails outlined in their office planner. So this at least would meet
> Bush's justification for their removal.
Chemical Warfare has been around since before the second world war. Ok it
was less lethal then as most of it was LSD (that would explain the 60s (god
i was born in the wrong era :-) ))
>
> Remember Incubus, the name of the game is now to pronounce people
> guilty before they have done the deed.
Remember???. Governments don't attack others willy nilly. They have to have
some evidence to justify thier attack to other countries. Saying "ooh we
bombed em coz they looked at us funny wiv thier radar stuff" won't do much
to gain favour with their allies or the neutral countries.
> >
> >>The US &
> >> Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory they
> >> claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks to
> >> sanctions.
> >
> >what? all of us? I am not dropping bombs on anyone unless you count
methane
> >ones
> >
> If you pay taxes.............
everyone pays taxes. it doesn't make them guilty.
>
> >>
> >> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
> >> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass destruction"
> >> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has these
> >> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces of
> >> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
> >
> >Are you inferring that the Americans are bullies?
>
> And cowards. When did they ever fight an evenly matched war? Come to
> think of it, even their attempts to quell the peasants in Vietnam
> wasn't a great success, so outside of bullying they are not likely to
> be too successful are they?
So every American on the planet is a coward and a bully? Personally i would
blame thier government. The American citizens are lied to, the same as the
rest of the world.
Governments are responsible for atrosoties and mass murder. The average
person, where he be British, American, Polish, Russian etc are not
Get a Grip Hugh. The only truthful government is in the fictional world of
heaven
:-(
>
>
> HN
>
> >>
> >> HN
> >>
> >
>
Hugh Neary
wrote:
Well I can understand it Incubus, just as I could understand the
attacks on moslems afterwards. You display an overwhelming level of
ignorance regarding human nature.
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat?
>> >
>> >Can anybody seriously consider the innocents in those aircraft a threat?
>>
>> Perhaps they were potential threat's.
>No more than the populace of Iraq. Personally i think all this "attacking
>the civilian" method these governments seem to use is bloody sick
>
Hmm! a glimmer of light!
>
>>Any one of those could have had
>> chemical weapon manufacture or weapons of mass destruction production
>> dtails outlined in their office planner. So this at least would meet
>> Bush's justification for their removal.
>
>Chemical Warfare has been around since before the second world war. Ok it
>was less lethal then as most of it was LSD (that would explain the 60s (god
>i was born in the wrong era :-) ))
>>
>> Remember Incubus, the name of the game is now to pronounce people
>> guilty before they have done the deed.
>
>Remember???. Governments don't attack others willy nilly. They have to have
>some evidence to justify thier attack to other countries. Saying "ooh we
>bombed em coz they looked at us funny wiv thier radar stuff" won't do much
>to gain favour with their allies or the neutral countries.
Well it seems to have launched one hundred warplanes last week.
Americas attitude to the Palestinians seems to sum up just how much
they value favour in the civilised world.
>
>> >
>> >>The US &
>> >> Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory they
>> >> claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks to
>> >> sanctions.
>> >
>> >what? all of us? I am not dropping bombs on anyone unless you count
>methane
>> >ones
>> >
>> If you pay taxes.............
>
>everyone pays taxes. it doesn't make them guilty.
You are supporting Bush's pet poodle' who in turn is currently sending
planes to Iraq on destruction/ killing spree's
>
>>
>> >>
>> >> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
>> >> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass destruction"
>> >> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has these
>> >> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces of
>> >> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
>> >
>> >Are you inferring that the Americans are bullies?
>>
>> And cowards. When did they ever fight an evenly matched war? Come to
>> think of it, even their attempts to quell the peasants in Vietnam
>> wasn't a great success, so outside of bullying they are not likely to
>> be too successful are they?
>
>So every American on the planet is a coward and a bully? Personally i would
>blame thier government. The American citizens are lied to, the same as the
>rest of the world.
No there are some very brave individuals amongst the American people.
Alas as a collective nation though they are not up to much. Look at
who they voted in to lead them.
>
>Governments are responsible for atrosoties and mass murder. The average
>person, where he be British, American, Polish, Russian etc are not
Things don't work that way. As soon as the propaganda machine starts
and the Sun starts inciting its bigoted IQ zero's into "nationalist
mode" everyone in Britain with anything deeper than a slight suntan
will be targets for abuse & hate.
>
>Get a Grip Hugh. The only truthful government is in the fictional world of
>heaven
>
Really! do you have any references to support your statement?
HN
incubus
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
because I do not comprehend mass murder of innocents or because my opinion
differs to yours? no neither are ignorance.
> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat?
> >> >
> >> >Can anybody seriously consider the innocents in those aircraft a
threat?
> >>
> >> Perhaps they were potential threat's.
> >No more than the populace of Iraq. Personally i think all this "attacking
> >the civilian" method these governments seem to use is bloody sick
> >
> Hmm! a glimmer of light!
erm that's what i have been saying all along
>
> >
> >>Any one of those could have had
> >> chemical weapon manufacture or weapons of mass destruction production
> >> dtails outlined in their office planner. So this at least would meet
> >> Bush's justification for their removal.
> >
> >Chemical Warfare has been around since before the second world war. Ok it
> >was less lethal then as most of it was LSD (that would explain the 60s
(god
> >i was born in the wrong era :-) ))
> >>
> >> Remember Incubus, the name of the game is now to pronounce people
> >> guilty before they have done the deed.
> >
> >Remember???. Governments don't attack others willy nilly. They have to
have
> >some evidence to justify thier attack to other countries. Saying "ooh we
> >bombed em coz they looked at us funny wiv thier radar stuff" won't do
much
> >to gain favour with their allies or the neutral countries.
>
> Well it seems to have launched one hundred warplanes last week.
> Americas attitude to the Palestinians seems to sum up just how much
> they value favour in the civilised world.
if they could justify their attacks then maybe the civilised world may
forgive them
>
> >
> >> >
> >> >>The US &
> >> >> Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory
they
> >> >> claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks
to
> >> >> sanctions.
> >> >
> >> >what? all of us? I am not dropping bombs on anyone unless you count
> >methane
> >> >ones
> >> >
> >> If you pay taxes.............
> >
> >everyone pays taxes. it doesn't make them guilty.
>
> You are supporting Bush's pet poodle' who in turn is currently sending
> planes to Iraq on destruction/ killing spree's
where did i say that?
>
> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
> >> >> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass
destruction"
> >> >> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has
these
> >> >> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces
of
> >> >> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
> >> >
> >> >Are you inferring that the Americans are bullies?
> >>
> >> And cowards. When did they ever fight an evenly matched war? Come to
> >> think of it, even their attempts to quell the peasants in Vietnam
> >> wasn't a great success, so outside of bullying they are not likely to
> >> be too successful are they?
> >
> >So every American on the planet is a coward and a bully? Personally i
would
> >blame thier government. The American citizens are lied to, the same as
the
> >rest of the world.
>
> No there are some very brave individuals amongst the American people.
> Alas as a collective nation though they are not up to much. Look at
> who they voted in to lead them.
You really don't like america much do you :-)
>
> >
> >Governments are responsible for atrosoties and mass murder. The average
> >person, where he be British, American, Polish, Russian etc are not
>
> Things don't work that way. As soon as the propaganda machine starts
> and the Sun starts inciting its bigoted IQ zero's into "nationalist
> mode" everyone in Britain with anything deeper than a slight suntan
> will be targets for abuse & hate.
now you are over reacting. Ok we hear all sorts of progoganda but most of us
are bright enough to take it with a pinch of salt
> >
> >Get a Grip Hugh. The only truthful government is in the fictional world
of
> >heaven
> >
> Really! do you have any references to support your statement?
which bit?
>
> HN
pd
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
news:vshjnu8vrb3vqbs6n...@4ax.com...
> wrote:
> >
> >I saw footage of the cities just after the attacks. There was a
surprising
> >amount of dust ash fallout. Those people didn't think the attacks were a
> >good idea
> >
>
> Perhaps they should have seen that Americas continuing interference in
> the Middle East might have provoked a little anti American feedback
> from certain quarters.
>
> Can anyone seriously consider Iraq as a threat? The US &
> Britain are going in freely to drop bombs on any bit of territory they
> claim targets them with radar. The country is on it's knees thanks to
> sanctions.
Well, I don't think anyone previously thought of a bunch of radical
fundamentalists to be a threat, either. Also, the country is not quite so
on it's knees as you would have other believe through this statement. Yes,
there are sanctions, but are they really effective? Russia has been doing
trade and business with Iraq for a little while now (though being careful
not to step on anyones toes as far as the sanctions go). Yes, US and
Britain are going to drop bombs as freely as they like. Just don't be
surprised when someone steps onto the NYC subway system with a thermos full
of VN gas. It doesn't take much to retaliate on their own terms instead of
on a battlefield. (Look at what a Ryder truck, a few hundred pounds of
fertilizer, and some diesel fuel did in Oklahoma City).
> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass destruction"
> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has these
> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces of
> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
>
> HN
I think that perhaps the problem is rather one of calculated losses.
The calculated losses in an armed conflict with Russia would be too much to
bear, so it was taken to a political arena instead. Iraq is fairly
"inexpensive" to take action against at this point, because they have not
built the industrial base for manufacturing weapons that would make a war
with them more costly. North Korea is an example here. Since the war they
have built arms and weapons that would make an armed conflict with them very
costly, and as such the US is not willing to pay that price.
I think one of the sickest tings that went unnoticed overall was the
fact that Bush used the Bin Laden videotape as cover for things like the
missile defense system and the unilateral decision to ignore the ABM treaty
from the 70's.
"We are going to ignore our signature on the treaty against ABM's and
ICBM's, and go ahead and build a missile defense system."
"AND heeeeere's a tape showing the "murderous bastard" behind the WTC
attacks, Mr. Bin Laden!"
Gee, I wonder what people are going to pay more attention to given the
timing? Just plain fucking stupid and dumb. The worst part is how many
americans bought this shit and never bothered to really question it for the
contemptuous act that it is.
I really can't stand the president. Give me Powell in the next
election.
pld
Hugh Neary
wrote:
You pay his wages, you pay his airfare so he can dash around the globe
on his master's errands
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The best thing Saddam could do is attempt to flog his oil
>> >> >> wells to the USSR. Americas rhetoric on "weapons of mass
>destruction"
>> >> >> only holds up against those that pose no threat. Russia had/ has
>these
>> >> >> weapons and posed a real threat for years. Sadly these fine forces
>of
>> >> >> justice do not seem too keen on blowing up those that can retaliate.
>> >> >
>> >> >Are you inferring that the Americans are bullies?
>> >>
>> >> And cowards. When did they ever fight an evenly matched war? Come to
>> >> think of it, even their attempts to quell the peasants in Vietnam
>> >> wasn't a great success, so outside of bullying they are not likely to
>> >> be too successful are they?
>> >
>> >So every American on the planet is a coward and a bully? Personally i
>would
>> >blame thier government. The American citizens are lied to, the same as
>the
>> >rest of the world.
>>
>> No there are some very brave individuals amongst the American people.
>> Alas as a collective nation though they are not up to much. Look at
>> who they voted in to lead them.
>
>You really don't like america much do you :-)
Actually it isn't a bad country. It's just not progressed too well
without the support & guidance of a civilised nation.
I suppose any fledgling nation that thought it could adopt
short cuts & mass produce decent tea using Boston Harbour was bound to
run into problems ;-)
>>
>> >
>> >Governments are responsible for atrosoties and mass murder. The average
>> >person, where he be British, American, Polish, Russian etc are not
>>
>> Things don't work that way. As soon as the propaganda machine starts
>> and the Sun starts inciting its bigoted IQ zero's into "nationalist
>> mode" everyone in Britain with anything deeper than a slight suntan
>> will be targets for abuse & hate.
>
>now you are over reacting. Ok we hear all sorts of progoganda but most of us
>are bright enough to take it with a pinch of salt
Cobblers! Remember the gung ho! approach over the Falklands. People
died needlessly in that conflict. No one saw the tragedy of the
situation, instead there were copies of the sun's useless drivel plus
a few Union Jacks draped over every second shop front.
That little fiasco could have been settled quite easily, with
little or no bloodshed. Unfortunately Maggie needed a boost in the
polls at that time though.
>
>> >
>> >Get a Grip Hugh. The only truthful government is in the fictional world
>of
>> >heaven
>> >
>> Really! do you have any references to support your statement?
>
>which bit?
The lot!
>
>>
HN
John Rennie
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
What a waste of band width you are Hugh but I can soon resolve that.
"plonk*
incubus
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
that's not what i asked. Are you paying attention?
:-)
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Governments are responsible for atrosoties and mass murder. The
average
> >> >person, where he be British, American, Polish, Russian etc are not
> >>
> >> Things don't work that way. As soon as the propaganda machine starts
> >> and the Sun starts inciting its bigoted IQ zero's into "nationalist
> >> mode" everyone in Britain with anything deeper than a slight suntan
> >> will be targets for abuse & hate.
> >
> >now you are over reacting. Ok we hear all sorts of progoganda but most of
us
> >are bright enough to take it with a pinch of salt
>
> Cobblers!
What? you think Shoe cobblers are the only ones smart enough ;-)
>Remember the gung ho! approach over the Falklands. People
> died needlessly in that conflict. No one saw the tragedy of the
> situation, instead there were copies of the sun's useless drivel plus
> a few Union Jacks draped over every second shop front.
yes and most of us were smart enough were smart enough to take it with a
pinch of salt
>
> That little fiasco could have been settled quite easily, with
> little or no bloodshed. Unfortunately Maggie needed a boost in the
> polls at that time though.
I remember it well. erm no i mean i am far too young to remember that..
phew....
>
>
>
> >
> >> >
> >> >Get a Grip Hugh. The only truthful government is in the fictional
world
> >of
> >> >heaven
> >> >
> >> Really! do you have any references to support your statement?
> >
> >which bit?
>
> The lot!
the lot of what? you mean the whole thread?
> >
> >>
> HN
>
incubus
> Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:43:41 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > What a waste of band width you are Hugh but I can soon resolve that.
> > "plonk*
>
> wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
> the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
I think it is the ultimate in sarcasm...
Ps you counted the lines????
Hugh Neary
wrote:
Make your mind up Incubus!
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Get a Grip Hugh. The only truthful government is in the fictional
>world
>> >of
>> >> >heaven
>> >> >
>> >> Really! do you have any references to support your statement?
>> >
>> >which bit?
>>
>> The lot!
>
>the lot of what? you mean the whole thread?
>
No the last two lines of crud.
HN
>> >
>> >>
>> HN
>>
>
incubus
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
one of those last two lines was yours. I notice you are starting the pattern
off. I have seen this so many times.(insert insult here)
<first stage>
The patient uses selective responses. he/she deliberately fails to answer
what he/she can't cope with.
<second stage>
The patient resorts to abuse. The patient's opponent disagrees with the
patient so the opponent must be a moron, a retard, an imbecile etc
<third stage>
The patient is now agitated. How dare the patients opponent argue with
him/her (note the growing meglomania of the patient).
Now the patient attacks the opponent. in anyway he can. The origional topic
is gone. Lost in the void that is usenet. Now the patient loses control and
attacks his/her opponent in any way. The most common are the opponent's
intellect, spelling or grammar
<X stage (can happen at any time during pending war)>
either the patient or the opponent killfiles or fails to reply to the other.
The exceptions include Desi an APV. They are both sadists and enjoy
"torturing" each other.
End of analysis.
You are on stage 3. It is up to you where it goes from here
>
>
>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> HN
> >>
> >
>
incubus
> Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:39:21 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit
:
>
> >> > What a waste of band width you are Hugh but I can soon resolve that.
> >> > "plonk*
>
> >> Whilst I can certainly agree with the sentiment, John, I can't help but
> >> wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
> >> the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
>
> > I think it is the ultimate in sarcasm...
> >
> > Ps you counted the lines????
>
>
> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/screen_countlines.jpg
you poof. You xterm from X????
Seriously I don't recognise the newsreader.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
> So every American on the planet is a coward and a bully?
I think that Hugh is trying to provoke.
> Personally i
> would
> blame thier government.
Not a particularly good mob at the moment, I'll grant you.
> The American citizens are lied to, the same as
> the
> rest of the world.
That's politics for you, even when lives are at stake.
Mr Q. Z. D.
--
Drinker, systems administrator, wannabe writer, musician and all-round bastard.
"...Base 8 is just like base 10 really... ((o))
If you're missing two fingers." - Tom Lehrer ((O))
John Rennie
"David McDonald" <david_m...@subspacemail.com> wrote in message
news:algai8$n3v$0...@216.155.32.52...
> On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:51:01 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
> <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>
> >Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:39:21 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
> >
> >>> > "plonk*
> >
> >>> Whilst I can certainly agree with the sentiment, John, I can't help
but
> >>> wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
> >>> the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
> >
> >> I think it is the ultimate in sarcasm...
> >>
> >> Ps you counted the lines????
> >
>
>
> David
> >
> >url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/screen_countlines.jpg
>
There's another one *plonk*
John Rennie
> Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:43:41 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > What a waste of band width you are Hugh but I can soon resolve that.
> > "plonk*
>
> wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
> the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
>
> Desmond Coughlan
Just a twist in the tail - I could have put money on your response.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:51:01 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:39:21 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>>> > What a waste of band width you are Hugh but I can soon resolve that.
>>> > "plonk*
>
>>> Whilst I can certainly agree with the sentiment, John, I can't help but
>>> wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
>>> the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
>
>> I think it is the ultimate in sarcasm...
>>
>> Ps you counted the lines????
>
>My newsreader does that for me ...
>
>url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/screen_countlines.jpg
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:00:42 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:43:41 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> What a waste of band width you are Hugh but I can soon resolve that.
>> "plonk*
>
>Whilst I can certainly agree with the sentiment, John, I can't help but
>wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
>the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:54:13 +0000
>
>Le Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:34:00 +0200, pd <p.d...@XYsofthome.net> a écrit :
>
>> Yes, US and Britain are going to drop bombs as freely as they like.
>> Just don't be surprised when someone steps onto the NYC subway system
>> with a thermos full of VN gas.
>
>If the inevitable photographs of the scorched bodies of Arab babies,
>and the humanitarian disaster which would follow such a foolhardy
>intervention on the part of the United States and the UK, were likely
>to generate any reaction other than, 'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?',
>then one might consider that the deaths would not be in vain.
>
>However, when that canister of gas is let off on the NYC subway, or
>the Sears Tower is hit by an airliner, or a 'tactical' nuclear device
>is detonated on the spars of the Golden Gate Bridge, the world's
>television screens will still show shots of the idiotic buffoons that
>are Americans, screaming through tears, 'Why do they hate us ??!!'
>
>It will all have been in vain. Again.
>
>{ snip }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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incubus
> Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:58:37 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit
:
>
> { snip }
>
> >> My newsreader does that for me ...
> >>
> >> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/screen_countlines.jpg
>
> > you poof. You xterm from X????
>
no you are running Xterm in X
>
> > Seriously I don't recognise the newsreader.
>
thanks
cheers
incubus
> Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:58:37 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit
:
>
> { snip }
>
> >> My newsreader does that for me ...
> >>
> >> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/screen_countlines.jpg
>
> > you poof. You xterm from X????
>
ps you are still a puff
:-P
>
> > Seriously I don't recognise the newsreader.
>
incubus
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
message news:jonathan-874DE6...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <YOse9.893$os4.1...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
>
> > So every American on the planet is a coward and a bully?
>
> I think that Hugh is trying to provoke.
Really? why?
>
> > Personally i
> > would
> > blame thier government.
>
> Not a particularly good mob at the moment, I'll grant you.
we all have our cross to bear
>
> > The American citizens are lied to, the same as
> > the
> > rest of the world.
>
> That's politics for you, even when lives are at stake.
Definatley
A Planet Visitor
> Le Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:34:00 +0200, pd <p.d...@XYsofthome.net> a écrit :
>
> > Just don't be surprised when someone steps onto the NYC subway system
> > with a thermos full of VN gas.
>
> and the humanitarian disaster which would follow such a foolhardy
> intervention on the part of the United States and the UK, were likely
> to generate any reaction other than, 'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?',
> then one might consider that the deaths would not be in vain.
>
> However, when that canister of gas is let off on the NYC subway, or
> the Sears Tower is hit by an airliner, or a 'tactical' nuclear device
> is detonated on the spars of the Golden Gate Bridge, the world's
> television screens will still show shots of the idiotic buffoons that
> are Americans, screaming through tears, 'Why do they hate us ??!!'
>
> It will all have been in vain. Again.
>
in this group. And little wonder that the Jewish 'Uncle Tom,' a sell-out
to anti-Semitism and bigotry, would be its author. There is no longer
any question that FDP is the most virulent of bigots. I am sure that
he would support a holocaust of Americans. While at the same moment
support Palestinian terrorists who would summarily execute without
trial one of their own kind for 'collaborating.' One of their own who was
a Mother with seven children now left without a family of any kind, and
her 18 year-old niece. One of their own. With the executioner claiming
to reporters that he 'did them a favor by executing them.' In a world filled
with the most horrendous of murders, FDP will ALWAYS side with the
murderer.
For thousands of years, the ruling classes of Europe have used
anti-Semitism, and even bigotry against their own kind, to divert
attention from their own failures. FDP is simply a product of this
age-old process. Filled with a pathological narcissism of himself
and the society he lives in, he finds himself possessed by a raging
desire for revenge against an imaginary 'enemy.' Autocratic governments,
such as the one that FDP associates himself with, and which he
finds himself at ease within, are past masters at deflecting blame.
They do so by denial, by rationalizations and by making scapegoats.
FDP is simply a product of such a system. From such material
was the holocaust woven into reality.
Now we can anticipate the spittle trickling down his monitor
and the semen sprayed across his keyboard, as his sexual
fantasy of perverse hate for the U.S. plays out in his post.
Thank you for confirming your lack of the one most important
attribute of our species, which separates us from the others --
Character. You are devoid of that one great requisite, FDP.
Totally devoid.
PV
> { snip }
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan |EVEN SATAN KNOWS
|AND LIFTS HIS BROW IN WONDER AT
|THE EVIL DESI SHOWS
Cerberus
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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>
> "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
> news:slrnanmej4.7o.p...@lievre.voute.net...
> > Le Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:34:00 +0200, pd <p.d...@XYsofthome.net> a écrit
:
> >{snip}
> > It will all have been in vain. Again.
> >
> Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
> in this group.
Unacustomed as I am to running to the defence of the various posters on this
News Group, I can't help myself on this one PV.
Your comments above are not correct, and I suspect that you know it. Except
for the stupid reference that Desi made to "Americans being idiotic
Buffoons" what he had to say about the possible ramifications of current
American Foreign Policy ARE correct and reflect a view held by a vast
majority of thinking people in the world. The damage that is being
perpetuated by those idiots in your State Department cannot adequately be
described. Despite the magnificance of the people, your political leadership
does you no good. I honestly fear for the future of your country. The sort
of crap posting that you have delivered above, given the current
circumstances is also well below you PV.
Please tell me it was a Troll!!!
{the rest of PV's magnificant Troll? snipped}
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A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
<....>
>> However, when that canister of gas is let off on the NYC subway, or
>> the Sears Tower is hit by an airliner, or a 'tactical' nuclear device
>> is detonated on the spars of the Golden Gate Bridge, the world's
>> television screens will still show shots of the idiotic buffoons that
>> are Americans, screaming through tears, 'Why do they hate us ??!!'
>>
>> It will all have been in vain. Again.
>>
>Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
>in this group.
<snip>
Well, a synopsis of the American effords over the last 50 years to do
respect to Palestinian vital interests were helpful at this point.
J.
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:20:48 +0000
>
>Le Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:01:45 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
><pasdespa...@zeouane.org> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
> ^
>
>This should have been lowercase.
>
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:25:56 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:58:37 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> My newsreader does that for me ...
>>>
>>> url:http://www.zeouane.org/dp/screen_countlines.jpg
>
>> you poof. You xterm from X????
>
>No, I don't xterm _from_ X. I'm running xterm _in_ X.
>
>> Seriously I don't recognise the newsreader.
>
>http://www.slrn.org/
>
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>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
>Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:25:56 +0000
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:01:45 +0000
>
>Le Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:29:19 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> > you poof. You xterm from X????
>
>>> No, I don't xterm _from_ X. I'm running xterm _in_ X.
>
>> no you are running Xterm in X
>
>Oh. Is this a capitalisation flame ? If it is ...
>
> des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
> No manual entry for Xterm
>
>... whereas ...
>
> des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
> XTERM(1) XTERM(1)
>
> NAME
> xterm - terminal emulator for X
>
>... etc.
>
>You're perhaps confusing it with Eterm, which does take an initial
>capital ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:16:58 +0000
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>Le Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:18:45 +0800, Cerberus <Cerb...@riverstyx.net> a écrit
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>{ snip }
>
>>> Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
>>> in this group.
>
>> Unacustomed as I am to running to the defence of the various posters on
>this
>> News Group, I can't help myself on this one PV.
>>
>> Your comments above are not correct, and I suspect that you know it. Except
>> for the stupid reference that Desi made to "Americans being idiotic
>> Buffoons" what he had to say about the possible ramifications of current
>> American Foreign Policy ARE correct and reflect a view held by a vast
>> majority of thinking people in the world.
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>Now, now, Cerberus ... stop using words that LDB's 'Net Nanny' software
>('Vatican Edition') will filter out, as being 'obscene' ...
>
>{ snip }
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:21:35 +0000
>
>Le Mon, 09 Sep 2002 04:38:52 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>>> > Yes, US and Britain are going to drop bombs as freely as they like.
>>> > Just don't be surprised when someone steps onto the NYC subway system
>>> > with a thermos full of VN gas.
>
>>> If the inevitable photographs of the scorched bodies of Arab babies,
>>> and the humanitarian disaster which would follow such a foolhardy
>>> intervention on the part of the United States and the UK, were likely
>>> to generate any reaction other than, 'What the fuck, it's only ragheads
>?',
>>> then one might consider that the deaths would not be in vain.
>>>
>>> However, when that canister of gas is let off on the NYC subway, or
>>> the Sears Tower is hit by an airliner, or a 'tactical' nuclear device
>>> is detonated on the spars of the Golden Gate Bridge, the world's
>>> television screens will still show shots of the idiotic buffoons that
>>> are Americans, screaming through tears, 'Why do they hate us ??!!'
>>>
>>> It will all have been in vain. Again.
>
>> Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
>> in this group.
>
>*yawn*
>
>{ snip stupidity }
>
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:46:15 +0000
>
>Le Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:09:54 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
>écrit :
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>{ snip }
>
>>> Whilst I can certainly agree with the sentiment, John, I can't help but
>>> wonder if including over 260 lines of his post, to add two lines at
>>> the end, was the right way to talk about wasting bandwidth ... :o)
>
>> Just a twist in the tail - I could have put money on your response.
>
>As I've often had occasion to nag you about your failure to snip, this
>isn't surprising.
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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A Planet Visitor
"Cerberus" <Cerb...@riverstyx.net> wrote in message news:3d7c398e$1...@goliath.newsgroups.com...
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> "A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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> > "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> > > Le Sat, 7 Sep 2002 23:34:00 +0200, pd <p.d...@XYsofthome.net> a écrit
> :
>
> > >{snip}
>
> > > It will all have been in vain. Again.
> > >
> > Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
> > in this group.
>
> Unacustomed as I am to running to the defence of the various posters on this
> News Group, I can't help myself on this one PV.
>
> Your comments above are not correct, and I suspect that you know it. Except
> for the stupid reference that Desi made to "Americans being idiotic
> Buffoons" what he had to say about the possible ramifications of current
> American Foreign Policy ARE correct and reflect a view held by a vast
> majority of thinking people in the world. The damage that is being
> perpetuated by those idiots in your State Department cannot adequately be
> described. Despite the magnificance of the people, your political leadership
> does you no good. I honestly fear for the future of your country. The sort
> of crap posting that you have delivered above, given the current
> circumstances is also well below you PV.
>
> Please tell me it was a Troll!!!
>
directed toward the comment that FDP provided, which demonstrates what I
referred to then, and refer to now as 'hateful, poisonous, and bile-filled.'
Similar to his sexually descriptive 43 seconds in the end of a victim's life, where
he appeared then to be masturbating while posting, he again appears to
be massaging his groin while posting -- seeking sexual self-gratification in
offering his comments. It is easily seen that FDP exalted, as some others
did, at the murder of 3,000 human beings. He even went so far as to 'laugh'
about it being called 9/11... placing a (sic) after every mention of it, after
insisting it should be called 11/9 in European 'style.' His present post
simply demonstrates he would WELCOME a new attack against the U.S.,
so Americans can be recognized as the 'buffoons' he speaks of. While
it's clear who is the 'buffoon' here. He would again collapse in a paroxysmal
sexual orgasm of delight, were that to attack to happen. There is a sickness
to his welcome of such a future event, which MUST be recognized, if we are
to claim we are 'civilized.'
And in any case -- Why should I worry about how my opinion is received?
FDP certainly doesn't worry about his.
So, can you perhaps tell me what efforts France, or the EU for that matter,
have made toward resolving the conflict in the Middle East? I'll tell you what
effort. Nothing! Nothing except turning a blind-eye to the terrorist. The
terrorist who is the most destructive threat to civilization since WW II.
Nothing except criticizing the U.S. whenever we make an effort. The
'European' solution is to stand back, watch them 'slug it out,' and the
last man standing, Palestinian or Jew, WINS. Either the Jew will be
pushed into the sea, or the Palestinian will cease to exist with an identity,
much as the Kurds no longer exist with a national identity.
At least the U.S. has exerted an effort politically. The U.S. has rightly
condemned both sides in this conflict. Demanding that Israeli forces
quit Palestinian land, and Palestinians quit murdering with terrorist
attacks on shopping malls. Europe does not see it in such a
balanced perspective. Do you have any idea how often the U.S. has
attempted to broker truce talks and peace agreements in that region?
Do you have any idea how often both sides have rebuffed such efforts?
And how often the European press has criticized the U.S. for even
attempting such efforts, always presuming that those efforts represent
support for Israel? Who negotiated the Camp David accord? Who held
marathon negotiations at Camp David between Arafat and then-Israeli Prime
Minister Ehud Barak? Who negotiated the Oslo Peace Accord? Who led
a fact finding committee that recommended the Israeli government freeze
all settlement activity, including the natural growth of existing settlements?
Do you have any idea how many envoys have been dispatched? How
many high-level State Department officials, including the Secretary of
State have visited that region? How many Americans have died simply
in trying to keep the peace? How many U.S. arrangements for a
cease-fire have been scuttled by one side or the other, usually met with
the European press somehow finding the blame to be the effort itself?
While Europe stands frozen in a pathetic posture of 'do nothing to upset the
flow of oil'?
The U.S. has also exerted great efforts at the public level. See
http://traubman.igc.org/dg-prog.htm
Israeli relations with the states of Western Europe have been conditioned
by European desires to further their own commercial interests and ties with
the Arab world and their heavy dependence on Middle Eastern oil. Europeans
have provided political support for Arab states and the Palestinian cause,
even though Europe has served as the battleground for Arab and Palestinian
terrorist groups. For example, beginning in the early 1970s, the ministers
of foreign affairs of the European Community called for Israel to withdraw
from territories occupied during the June 1967 War, expressed "reservations"
over the 1978 Camp David Accords, and accepted the "association" of the
PLO in solving the Palestinian problem.
That opinion comes from the U.S. Library of Congress Federal Research Division
http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/iltoc.html
The U.S. is committed to the continued EXISTENCE of the State of Israel.
Meanwhile, Western Europe could not care less, as long as the oil keeps
flowing.
And let me put this quite bluntly. so it's understood in the framework
of what I'm about to say: I view the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as between
two punch-drunk fighters, both having lost all sense of what they intend to
achieve in the final result, but simply intent on lashing out until one or
the other is totally eliminated. Any 'peace' that might be achieved has
been already lost, and 'living together' would take hundreds of years to
wash away only the past few decades. It is quite 'easy' to accept a
'solution' of just looking the other way, worry about our own self-interests
and let them 'slug it out.' But meanwhile, our posterity will have
to live with our present apathy. There are 'no winners' here, folks.
We are ALL losers. As with the Montegue and the Capulet... all
are punish'd. Now, and in future generations.
And even more damning... This is the attitude I see coming from
Europe... 'winking at these own discords'... as long as the oil keeps
flowing. I see a European continent which is not that concerned with
that area, in respect to any balance in that view. It is a totally selfish
view from a continent that wishes to close its eyes to that area, and
finds it suits their agenda of 'appearing' balanced, if they can blame
the U.S. And the radical Arab (call him the terrorist) FEEDS off that.
And what is even more damning... is that if ANY continent owes
a 'debt' to the Jew, it is the EUROPEAN continent. The U.S. certainly
owes the Jew NOTHING. Europe owes the Jew 6 million shoes that
lie in the crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of oil is
coming from, and then accuse the U.S. of 'worrying about the oil.' And
I see FDP as part and parcel of this behavior, A Quisling to his own kind.
Quite clearly, any nation that is perceived as supporting Israel more
than the Palestinians (which is what most of Europe claims the U.S.
does), is NOT more concerned about oil. This is so obvious, that it
actually staggers me, when any European suggests the U.S. is more
concerned about oil. Would we engage Iraq at this date, if MORE
concerned about oil? Would we take political positions that create us
as enemies in Saudi Arabia if we were MORE concerned about oil?
Would we form political connections which alienate us, and even make
us hated by those who control those spigots? I welcome BALANCED
views on this issue. But, I find hardly any balance comes from the
European viewpoint.
But all that is beside the point. The point is contained in FDP's post.
It is a disgusting display of perversion by the most sick twist this group
has even entertained.
In all cases of posts to this group, we accept that opinions are what
we offer. pd offered his opinion, I did not agree with many of his
conclusions, but his post was presented in a rational, and objectively
unemotional analysis of that opinion. FDP decided to extract one
small sentence, hardly related to the thrust of pd's post, and go on
a journey of that sexual gratification I speak of. And it clearly
demonstrated that he cares nothing for the DP itself. He simply
uses this platform to spread his poisonous venom against all
things American. I offered my opinion of what I saw within his
perverted comment. Which is just as much my right as it is FDP's
right to spread that venom. You now offer your view, apparently
believing that FDP had presented some rational viewpoint. Nothing
in that presumes a troll by anyone. It is not anyone in this newsgroup,
who will judge who is right or who is wrong here. If history does
not, I would hope a higher power than history would. And I trust that
higher power would see FDP as I've seen him. As an insult to our species.
> {the rest of PV's magnificant Troll? snipped}
PV
>
>
> WooF w00f WooF
A Planet Visitor
> Le Mon, 09 Sep 2002 04:38:52 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a écrit :
>
> >> > Yes, US and Britain are going to drop bombs as freely as they like.
> >> > Just don't be surprised when someone steps onto the NYC subway system
> >> > with a thermos full of VN gas.
>
> >> If the inevitable photographs of the scorched bodies of Arab babies,
> >> and the humanitarian disaster which would follow such a foolhardy
> >> intervention on the part of the United States and the UK, were likely
> >> to generate any reaction other than, 'What the fuck, it's only ragheads ?',
> >> then one might consider that the deaths would not be in vain.
> >>
> >> However, when that canister of gas is let off on the NYC subway, or
> >> the Sears Tower is hit by an airliner, or a 'tactical' nuclear device
> >> is detonated on the spars of the Golden Gate Bridge, the world's
> >> television screens will still show shots of the idiotic buffoons that
> >> are Americans, screaming through tears, 'Why do they hate us ??!!'
> >>
> >> It will all have been in vain. Again.
>
> > Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
> > in this group.
>
>
> { snip stupidity }
>
Sure. Meanwhile we can picture your wild-eyed face, covered with a
lop-sided, maniacal grin, and the saliva running down your chin, typing
with one hand, while massaging your crotch with the other, as you find
sexual gratification in vivid descriptions of the murder of millions, as you
did in your posting of the last 43 seconds in the life of a murder victim.
You're sick, FDP. And I fear that I am partly responsible for having
pushed you over the edge of sanity.
PV
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:alismt$7hd$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
And you, Jürgen, would dare ask what has the U.S. done. What
has Germany done?
And what is even more damning... is that if ANY continent owes
a 'debt' to the Jew, it is the EUROPEAN continent. The U.S. certainly
owes the Jew NOTHING. Europe owes the Jew 6 million shoes that
lie in the crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of oil is
coming from, and then accuse the U.S. of 'worrying about the oil.' And
I see FDP as part and parcel of this behavior, A Quisling to his own kind.
Quite clearly, any nation that is perceived as supporting Israel more
than the Palestinians (which is what most of Europe claims the U.S.
does, as you now imply), is NOT more concerned about oil. This is so
obvious, that it actually staggers me, when any European suggests the
U.S. is more concerned about oil. Would we engage Iraq at this date,
if MORE concerned about oil? Would we take political positions that
create us as enemies in Saudi Arabia if we were MORE concerned
about oil? Would we form political connections which alienate us, and
even make us hated by those who control those spigots? I welcome
BALANCED views on this issue. But, I find hardly any balance comes
from the European viewpoint. Nor do I find it within your few short words,
Jürgen. You seem to be saying -- what has the U.S. done for the Palestinian
today - without realizing there are two antagonists in that region. And
you should concern yourself with how you appear in respect to the
one you seem to be ignoring. At the very least appear to be BALANCED.
In all cases of posts to this group, we accept that opinions are what
we offer. pd offered his opinion, I did not agree with many of his
conclusions, but his post was presented in a rational, and objectively
unemotional analysis of that opinion. FDP decided to extract one
small sentence, hardly related to the thrust of pd's post, and go on
a journey of that sexual gratification I speak of. And it clearly
demonstrated that he cares nothing for the DP itself. He simply
uses this platform to spread his poisonous venom against all
things American. I offered my opinion of what I saw within his
perverted comment. Which is just as much my right as it is FDP's
right to spread that venom. You now offer your view, which actually
CONFIRMS all of my comment. You expect the U.S. to do
EVERYTHING for YOU, and decide FOR the U.S. which direction
it should take, while you sit on your fat ass and expect
history to give you a free ride. All the while 'wagging' your finger
at the U.S., in duplicitous sanctimonious condemnation. In a
shameful display of accepting no responsibility of your own.
Perhaps at the end of WW II it would have been better to have
given the Jew Bavaria for a homeland, and resettled all the
Germans elsewhere. That's what the Russians did with East
Prussia, for the Russians. At the very least you should be aware
that your comment borders on hypocrisy of the worst kind.
It is not you, nor anyone in this newsgroup who will judge who is
right or who is wrong here. If history does not, I would hope a
higher power than history would. And I trust that higher power
would see FDP as I've seen him. As an insult to our species.
And it is unseemly for you to support his argument.
PV
> J.
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
<allegations about Desmond snipped>
>And in any case -- Why should I worry about how my opinion is received?
>FDP certainly doesn't worry about his.
Now that's worse than in the Kindergarten. It is the core of any discussion
to form and express an opinion so that the partitioners have a chance to
receive the underlying arguments through the channel of reasonability.
>So, can you perhaps tell me what efforts France, or the EU for that matter,
>have made toward resolving the conflict in the Middle East? I'll tell you
what
>effort. Nothing!
'Nothing' can be way better than an unilateral support, providing the ground
for zealots to put forward their radical ideas.
Nothing except turning a blind-eye to the terrorist. The
>terrorist who is the most destructive threat to civilization since WW II.
People begin supporting terrorism if they are frauded chances and
perspectives. Arafat has the support of Palestinians.
>Nothing except criticizing the U.S. whenever we make an effort. The
>'European' solution is to stand back, watch them 'slug it out,' and the
>last man standing, Palestinian or Jew, WINS. Either the Jew will be
>pushed into the sea, or the Palestinian will cease to exist with an
identity,
>much as the Kurds no longer exist with a national identity.
>
>At least the U.S. has exerted an effort politically. The U.S. has rightly
>condemned both sides in this conflict.
Any consequences exceeding lip-services? Is there a behavior of Israel
thinkable which would seriously endanger Israel to loose the US-support, or
is Israel factually free in action?
Demanding that Israeli forces
>quit Palestinian land, and Palestinians quit murdering with terrorist
>attacks on shopping malls.
I think Israel's settlers are still where they settled, despite your alleged
US-effords.
Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare Israel the
53 US-state?
J.
Jürgen
Desmond Coughlan schrieb in Nachricht ...
>Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:36:00 +0200, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a
écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare Israel
the
>> 53 US-state?
>
>
>Well, the UK is the 51st ... what's the 52nd ?
>
As the reports currently read, Afghanistan.
;)
Vlad Drac
<j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
>Below is the leading editorial in today's Daily Mail. For the benefit of
>American posters, the Daily Mail is Britain's most right wing tabloid; some
>of its editorial opinion which is frequently allowed to creep into its
>reportage is no less than racist.
So why are you a subscriber then John?
John Rennie
"Vlad Drac" <pat...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d7e0970...@newszilla.xs4all.nl...
I stole my copy from the Barbers. ;-)
John Rennie
I make no apologies for posting Tony Blair's speech of today in full. It
was a
courageous and a clever speech - whether or not I agree with it is another
matter entirely. However, I do think our American posters are entitled
to read a literate account of the case against Iraq :-)
Text of Blair's Address
Following is the text of Mr. Blair's address, which was posted on 10 Downing
Street's Web site, www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp
Tomorrow, September 11, is the anniversary of the worst terrorist act in
history. Let us today, once again, remember and mourn the dead. Let us give
thanks to the fire fighters, the police, the ambulance and medical services,
the ordinary citizens of New York. Their courage was the best answer to the
terrorists' cruelty. Terrorists can kill and maim the innocent, but they
have not won and they never will.
We should never forget the role played by trade unions in the struggle for
justice. Today we welcome Wellington Chibebe of the Zimbabwe Congress of
Trade Unions. Your opposition to the regime of Mugabe is the ultimate
riposte to his fraudulent nonsense about fighting colonialism.
People here, including myself, fought the detestable apartheid system of
South Africa and we know the difference between the cause of freedom and a
leader abusing that cause to conceal incompetence and corruption on a
catastrophic scale.
We welcome, too, the Colombian CUT's Hector Fajardo. Your nation is fighting
the ugly scourge of narco-terrorism, in which the drugs trade and terror
destroy the life chances of a country. You have our solidarity in that
struggle.
Thank you also to the trade unions of Northern Ireland - who, throughout the
worst and even at the best, are symbols of the non-sectarian future that
Northern Ireland needs.
Around the rest of world, too, trade unions are at the forefront of
campaigns to end child labor, to remove discrimination, to bring democracy
in place of dictatorship.
On September 11 last year, with the world still reeling from the shock of
events, it came together to demand action. But suppose I had come last year
on the same day as this year - 10 September. Suppose I had said to you:
there is a terrorist network called Al Qaeda. It operates out of
Afghanistan. It has carried out several attacks and we believe it is
planning more. It has been condemned by the U.N. in the strongest terms.
Unless it is stopped, the threat will grow. And so I want to take action to
prevent that.
Your response and probably that of most people would have been very similar
to the response of some of you yesterday on Iraq.
There would have been few takers for dealing with it and probably none for
taking military action of any description.
So let me tell you why I say Saddam Hussein is a threat that has to be dealt
with.
He has twice before started wars of aggression. Over one million people died
in them. When the weapons inspectors were evicted from Iraq in 1998 there
were still enough chemical and biological weapons remaining to devastate the
entire gulf region.
I sometimes think that there is a kind of word fatigue about chemical and
biological weapons. We're not talking about some mild variants of everyday
chemicals, but anthrax, sarin and mustard gas - weapons that can cause hurt
and agony on a mass scale beyond the comprehension of most decent people.
Uniquely Saddam has used these weapons against his own people, the Iraqi
kurds. Scores of towns and villages were attacked. Iraqi military officials
dressed in full protection gear were used to witness the attacks and visited
later to assess the damage. Wounded civilians were normally shot on the
scene. In one attack alone, on the city of Halabja, it is estimated that
5,000 were murdered and 9,000 wounded in this way. All in all in the North
around 100,000 kurds died, according to Amnesty International. In the
destruction of the marshlands in Southern Iraq, around 200,000 people were
forcibly removed. Many died.
Saddam has a nuclear weapons program too, denied for years, that was only di
srupted after inspectors went in to disrupt it. He is in breach of 23
outstanding U.N. obligations requiring him to admit inspectors and to
disarm.
People say: but containment has worked. Only up to a point. In truth,
sanctions are eroding. He now gets around $3 billion through illicit trading
every year. It is unaccounted for, but almost certainly used for his weapons
programs.
Every day this year and for years, British and American pilots risk their
lives to police the No Fly Zones. But it can't go on forever. For years when
the weapons inspectors were in Iraq, Saddam lied, concealed, obstructed and
harassed them. For the last four years there have been no inspections, no
monitoring, despite constant pleas and months of negotiating with the U.N.
In July, Kofi Annan ended his personal involvement in talks because of Iraqi
intransigence.
Meanwhile Iraq's people are oppressed and kept in poverty. With the Taliban
gone, Saddam is unrivaled as the world's worst regime: brutal, dictatorial,
with a wretched human rights record.
Given that history, I say to you: to allow him to use the weapons he has or
get the weapons he wants, would be an act of gross irresponsibility and we
should not countenance it.
Up to this point, I believe many here in this hall would agree. The question
is: how to proceed? I totally understand the concerns of people about
precipitate military action. Military action should only ever be a last
resort. On the four major occasions that I have authorized it as Prime
Minister, it has been when no other option remained.
I believe it is right to deal with Saddam through the United Nations. After
all, it is the will of the U.N. he is flouting. He, not me or George Bush,
is in breach of U.N. Resolutions. If the challenge to us is to work with the
U.N., we will respond to it.
But if we do so, then the challenge to all in the U.N. is this: the U.N.
must be the way to resolve the threat from Saddam not avoid it.
Let it be clear that he must be disarmed. Let it be clear that there can be
no more conditions, no more games, no more prevaricating, no more
undermining of the U.N.'s authority.
And let it be clear that should the will of the U.N. be ignored, action will
follow. Diplomacy is vital. But when dealing with dictators - and none in
the world is worse than Saddam - diplomacy has to be backed by the certain
knowledge in the dictator's mind that behind the diplomacy is the
possibility of force being used.
Because I say to you in all earnestness: if we do not deal with the threat
from this international outlaw and his barbaric regime, it may not erupt and
engulf us this month or next; perhaps not even this year or the next. But it
will at some point. And I do not want it on my conscience that we knew the
threat, saw it coming and did nothing.
I know this is not what some people want to hear. But I ask you only this:
to listen to the case I will be developing over the coming weeks and reflect
on it.
And before there is any question of taking military action, I can
categorically assure you that Parliament will be consulted and will have the
fullest opportunity to debate the matter and express its view.
On Kosovo, on Afghanistan, we did not rush. We acted in a sensible, measured
way, when all other avenues were exhausted and with the fullest possible
debate. We will do so again.
But Saddam is not the only issue. We must restart the Middle East peace
process. We must work with all concerned, including the U.S., for a lasting
peace which ends the suffering of both the Palestinians in the Occupied
Territories and the Israelis at the hands of terrorists. It must be based on
the twin principles of an Israel safe and secure within its borders, and a
viable Palestinian state.
This must go alongside renewed efforts on international terrorism. That
threat has not gone away. I cannot emphasise this too strongly.
Put it alongside India and Pakistan, climate change and world poverty, and
it is a daunting international agenda. But the most difficult thing is to
persuade people that all issues are part of the same agenda. A foreign
journalist said to me the other day: "I don't understand it Mr. Blair.
You're very left on Africa and Kyoto. But you're very right on weapons of
mass destruction and terrorism. It doesn't make sense."
But it does. The key characteristic of today's world is interdependence.
Your problem becomes my problem. They have to be tackled collectively. All
these problems threaten the ability of the world to make progress in an
orderly and stable way. Climate change threatens our environment. Africa, if
left to decline, will become a breeding ground for extremism. Terrorism and
weapons of mass destruction combine modern technology with political or
religious fanaticism. If unchecked they will, as September 11 showed,
explode into disorder and chaos.
A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:aljs8t$vom$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
> <allegations about Desmond snipped>
>
They were comments directed to YOU as well. Know thyself.
> >And in any case -- Why should I worry about how my opinion is received?
> >FDP certainly doesn't worry about his.
>
> Now that's worse than in the Kindergarten. It is the core of any discussion
> to form and express an opinion so that the partitioners have a chance to
> receive the underlying arguments through the channel of reasonability.
>
What are you talking about? Now you claim that my opinion needs
to be CENSORED by your views? You may say whatever you wish, as I
may do as well. But realize that your 'argument' (sic) here, is total
bullshit. If you find some 'reason' to refute my 'opinion,' then do so, but don't
CLIP it, and make such a stupid remark.
I understand that the truth HURTS, but live with it, and learn from it.
The attitude you express here, appears to me to be more pathological
than anything else.
> >So, can you perhaps tell me what efforts France, or the EU for that matter,
> >have made toward resolving the conflict in the Middle East? I'll tell you
> >what
> >effort. Nothing!
>
> 'Nothing' can be way better than an unilateral support, providing the ground
> for zealots to put forward their radical ideas.
>
What??? 'NOTHING' results in 'nothing.' And it presumes EXACTLY what
I've said is the contribution Europe has made in any attempt to provide
stability to that region --- NOTHING. My comment, which you again
so conveniently clipped without replying (which you do quite often) needs
repeating. And let me put it specifically in the context of Germany since
you seemed to be DIRECTLY accusing the U.S. -
I see a Germany which is not that concerned with that area, in respect
to any balance in that view. It is a totally selfish view from a country
that wishes to close its eyes to that area, and finds it suits their agenda
of 'appearing' balanced, if they can blame the U.S. And the radical
Arab (call him the terrorist) FEEDS off that. And you, Jürgen, would
dare ask what has the U.S. done. What has Germany done?
And what is even more damning... is that if ANY country owes
a 'debt' to the Jew, it is GERMANY. The U.S. certainly owes the Jew
NOTHING. Germany 'owes' the Jew 6 million shoes that lie in the
crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of oil is
coming from, and then accuse the U.S. of 'worrying about the oil.'
Quite clearly, any nation that is perceived as supporting Israel more
than the Palestinians (which is what most of Germany claims the U.S.
does, if your view is any indication), is NOT more concerned about oil.
This is so obvious, that it actually staggers me, when German suggests
the U.S. is more concerned about oil. Would we engage Iraq at this date,
if MORE concerned about oil? Would we take political positions that
create us as enemies in Saudi Arabia if we were MORE concerned
about oil? Would we form political connections which alienate us, and
even make us hated by those who control those spigots? I welcome
BALANCED views on this issue. But, I find hardly any balance comes
from YOUR viewpoint. Nor do I find it within your few short words,
Jürgen. You seem to be saying -- what has the U.S. done for the Palestinian
today - without realizing there are two antagonists in that region. And
you should concern yourself with how you appear in respect to the
view you seem to be ignoring. At the very least APPEAR to be balanced.
And then WHO ARE those zealots you speak of? Those who would wish for
the destruction of Israel, perhaps?? See
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html
Quoting Bin Laden -- "I established a front a few years ago named The
Islamic Front for Jihad against the Jews and the Crusaders." And
"Not all terrorism is cursed; some terrorism is blessed." Look at that
site and tell me who is a zealot. Look at
http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml
and
http://resistance.jeeran.com/index.htm
and
http://www.hoffman-info.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?item=125
and tell me who is the zealot. The zealot, my son, is the Muslim... make
no mistake about it. I would wish to live in peace with Islam. But
many in Islam would NEVER accept peace on ANY TERMS save the
total conversion of the world to Islam. And the terrorist FEEDS off
that principle of 'conversion.'
> >Nothing except turning a blind-eye to the terrorist. The
> >terrorist who is the most destructive threat to civilization since WW II.
>
> People begin supporting terrorism if they are frauded chances and
> perspectives. Arafat has the support of Palestinians.
>
We are not speaking of who has what support INTERNAL to the two
antagonists. We well know who they are, and how totally irrational
BOTH SIDES ARE. We are speaking of those external, who are
'supposedly' the rational parties to this conflict. What does it matter
WHO has the support of the Palestinians INTERNALLY, if we,
supposedly objective in our views, cannot see BOTH sides of this
issue? It's unreasonable to expect objectivity from either Arafat
or Sharon... both of them are delusional. But YOUR view is just
as irrational, presuming that ONLY the Jews are at fault, in spite
of the most horrendous acts of certain Palestinians (murdering even
their own for 'collaboration'). Of course the Jews are the SAME,
in many of their military responses. But one does not excuse the
OTHER. And trust me, Arafat is NOT in CONTROL here. He is a
figurehead, who could not stop those terrorist acts even if he ordered
them to stop. In fact, it might well constitute him signing his own
death warrant, and he knows it. The Israeli government is just as
screwed up (a fact brought on by the Palestinians themselves).
But at least there is a sense of stability within that government,
where a consensus can bring about more orderly changes. There
are many Jewish organizations both in the U.S. and in Israel that
oppose much of the current direction of the Israeli government.
As I do as well. There is NO SUCH consensus in the Palestinian
people, because they have been so thoroughly brainwashed into
believe terrorism will win out over diplomacy and negotiation.
> >Nothing except criticizing the U.S. whenever we make an effort. The
> >'European' solution is to stand back, watch them 'slug it out,' and the
> >last man standing, Palestinian or Jew, WINS. Either the Jew will be
> >pushed into the sea, or the Palestinian will cease to exist with an
> identity,
> >much as the Kurds no longer exist with a national identity.
> >
> >At least the U.S. has exerted an effort politically. The U.S. has rightly
> >condemned both sides in this conflict.
>
> Any consequences exceeding lip-services? Is there a behavior of Israel
> thinkable which would seriously endanger Israel to loose the US-support, or
> is Israel factually free in action?
>
Israel is factually free in action. Witness
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1023-01.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/1998/01/22/intl/intl.2.html
Your presumption that Israel must be ABANDONED hits to the heart
of my entire argument. There is no BALANCE to the views expressed
in Europe. It simply reeks of not so subtle anti-Semitism, and a desire
to 'keep the oil flowing.'
As I pointed out (and you clipped)...
Who negotiated the original Camp David accord between Begin and
Sadat? The U.S. and then President Carter is who. See --
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.org/documents/campdavid/index.phtml
Who later held marathon negotiations at Camp David between Arafat
and then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak? The U.S. and then
President Clinton is who. See
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0hls0
Who negotiated the Oslo Peace Accord? The same President
Clinton is who. See --
http://www.pna.org/mininfo/key/oslo2.htm
Who mediated an Oct 1998 summit at Wye Mills, Maryland between
Netanyahu and Arafat with a late assist from an ailing King Hussein of
Jordan? The same President Clinton is who. See --
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/newsfacts-wyeaccord.html
Who arranged and played a role in the 1991 Madrid peace
conference that launched negotiations between Israel and its Arab
neighbors? Then President George Bush is who. See --
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00p60
Who proposed a peace plan in 1982 that did not sit well with Israel
at all? The U.S. and then President Reagan is who. -- see
http://www.jerusalemites.org/peace8.html
Who led a fact finding committee that recommended the Israeli
government freeze all settlement activity, including the natural growth
of existing settlements? U.S. Senator George Mitchell is who. See
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_mitchell.php
Do you have any idea how many envoys have been dispatched? How
many high-level State Department officials, including a number of
Secretary's of State have visited that region? See --
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/trvl/8515.htm
http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/summit/sectrip.htm
http://www.aaiusa.org/news/staffart072692.htm
http://www.usembassy-israel.org.il/publish/press/visits/january98/
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/sectravels/christopher.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/sectravels/shultz.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/sectravels/haig.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/sectravels/vance.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/sectravels/kissinger.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/sectravels/rogers.html
How many Americans have died simply in trying to keep the peace in
that area? The Beirut Embassy... the Marine
barracks. See
http://www.terrorismvictims.org/terrorists/beirut-marine-barracks.html
These are only a few of the efforts of the U.S. Do you have any idea
how many U.S. arrangements for a cease-fire have been scuttled by
one side or the other, usually met with the European press somehow
finding the blame to be the effort itself? While Europe stands frozen
in a pathetic posture of 'do nothing to upset the flow of oil'?
> >Demanding that Israeli forces
> >quit Palestinian land, and Palestinians quit murdering with terrorist
> >attacks on shopping malls.
>
> I think Israel's settlers are still where they settled, despite your alleged
> US-effords.
>
And the efforts of Germany are...???? Perhaps you believe that we
should 'solve' the problem of the Jews in the Middle East as your
country once tried to solve its 'problem.' You should be careful of
the ground you are treading on. It's littered with corpuses.
> Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare Israel the
> 53 US-state?
>
I'm more saddened than angry over such an outburst. It seems that
anti-Semitism has not been erased in your people, and its roots are
again beginning to flourish. Prior to this outburst from you, I had found
you to be at the least PRINCIPLED, even if I found your views wrong.
I can no longer find you PRINCIPLED in the comment you just provided.
Why not simply declare Berlin as the headquarters for the resurgence
of 'the Hitler Youth League'? Do you really believe your comment provides
any SENSE to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? Can't you ACTUALLY
see what the implication is in your words? Blaming the U.S., (for. I
might add, a problem much of your country's DOING), while demonstrating
a not so subtle, still lingering anti-Semitism. You should be ashamed of
yourself in the words you've written here. See
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/249/world/Nazi_death_march_museum_firebo:.shtml
Only a few days ago.
Then see
http://germanyalert.com/
Where it is reported from Germany that "Neo-Nazi threat escalates
as supporters speak of Martyrdom."
Then we have --
January 25, 2002 - Berlin - A Molotov cocktail was thrown at a synagogue.
March 3, 2002 - Dusseldorf - Swastikas found painted on a Jewish school.
March 16, 2002 - Berlin - Explosion at a Jewish cemetery.
March 30 - Berlin - Swastika painted on a Holocaust memorial.
March 31 - Berlin - Two American Orthodox Jews beaten.
April 15, 2002 - Berlin - Jewish woman wearing a Star of David
necklace attacked.
April 15, 2002 - Herford - "Six Million is not enough." found
painted on a synagogue. April 20, 2002 - Dachau - Monument
desecrated, and gravestones at nearby Jewish cemetery
damaged.
April 28, 2002 - Berlin - Molotov cocktail thrown at a synagogue.
These are ONLY incidents in the short time-frame of 3 months.
The total list would be much too long for this post. And all of
these incidents demonstrate that any view you might have
on the Israeli/Palestinian issue is riddled with anti-Semitism...
proven as well by your comment.
I need to repeat that I hold neither Israel nor the Palestinians as
'right' in this issue. It is far too complex to form any view of
'right' or 'wrong.' As I do with the DP, in a forum devoted mainly
to concern for murderers, I take the position of the 'devil's advocate'
in a hope to provide a balanced perspective, and hold for the
victim. The victims in the Israeli/Palestinian issue are on both
sides -- the innocents. Different from that of the DP issue, which
only has innocents on one side of that issue. While the murderers
in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are ALSO on both sides of this
issue. Never lose sight of that.
PV
> J.
Jürgen
A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht
>
>"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:alismt$7hd$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
>>
>> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
<kB's snipped, since: Carpe Diem>
I agree with:
"And let me put this quite bluntly. so it's understood in the framework of
what I'm about to say: I view the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as between
two punch-drunk fighters, both having lost all sense of what they intend to
achieve in the final result, but simply intent on lashing out until one or
the other is totally eliminated."
To the rest:
Nobody doubts that US-effords had been made to bring the conflict to an end.
The problem rather is that any partitioner in the conflict inclusive their
associated can per definitionem not be an arbiter.
>And you, Jürgen, would dare ask what has the U.S. done. What
>has Germany done?
I dare ask *any* question - and guess what, I have not to ask for your
permission. So again: Is there any behavior of Israel thinkable which would
cause Israel's loss of the US-support?
>
>And what is even more damning... is that if ANY continent owes
>a 'debt' to the Jew, it is the EUROPEAN continent.
And this 'debt' should converge to a general licence for Israel to do
whatever they want, I suppose.
I tell you what. As horrible particularly the German crimes against the Jews
had been, there results no justification for neither the Jews nor the
Americans from to kill even ONE innocent human.
The U.S. certainly
>owes the Jew NOTHING. Europe owes the Jew 6 million shoes that
>lie in the crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
>than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of oil......
[Europe engages in alternate, renewable energy-resources plus energetically
economical technics, last not least in view of Kyoto, and will so step by
step reduce the dependence of oil.]
<snippage, snippage, snippage>
Jürgen
Hugh Neary
>> >> >> Really! do you have any references to support your statement?
>> >> >
>> >> >which bit?
>> >>
>> >> The lot!
>> >
>> >the lot of what? you mean the whole thread?
>> >
>> No the last two lines of crud.
>>
>> HN
>
>one of those last two lines was yours. I notice you are starting the pattern
>off. I have seen this so many times.(insert insult here)
><first stage>
>The patient uses selective responses. he/she deliberately fails to answer
>what he/she can't cope with.
><second stage>
>The patient resorts to abuse. The patient's opponent disagrees with the
>patient so the opponent must be a moron, a retard, an imbecile etc
><third stage>
>The patient is now agitated. How dare the patients opponent argue with
>him/her (note the growing meglomania of the patient).
>Now the patient attacks the opponent. in anyway he can. The origional topic
>is gone. Lost in the void that is usenet. Now the patient loses control and
>attacks his/her opponent in any way. The most common are the opponent's
>intellect, spelling or grammar
><X stage (can happen at any time during pending war)>
>
>either the patient or the opponent killfiles or fails to reply to the other.
>
>The exceptions include Desi an APV. They are both sadists and enjoy
>"torturing" each other.
>
>End of analysis.
>
>You are on stage 3. It is up to you where it goes from here
>
>
That bad eh Incubus?
What's the prognosis?
Can you get a spell checker just in case I get worse?
HN
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> HN
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:36:00 +0200, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a
> écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare
> > Israel the
> > 53 US-state?
>
> <fx: counts on fingers ...>
>
> Well, the UK is the 51st ... what's the 52nd ?
Australia. :(
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:26:11 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:19:28 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com> a
>écrit :
>
>Fuck off, spamming cunt.
>
>{ abuse report sent to ntlworld }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:59:35 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 06:36:00 +0200, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a écrit
>:
>
>{ snip }
>
>> Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare Israel
>the
>> 53 US-state?
>
><fx: counts on fingers ...>
>
>Well, the UK is the 51st ... what's the 52nd ?
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:56:16 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:59:34 +0200, Jürgen <K.J.H...@t-online.de> a écrit
>:
>
>>>> Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare Israel
>> the
>>>> 53 US-state?
>
>>><fx: counts on fingers ...>
>>>
>>>Well, the UK is the 51st ... what's the 52nd ?
>
>> As the reports currently read, Afghanistan.
>>
>> ;)
>
>Heh ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:54:18 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:14:04 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> > Undoubtedly the most hateful, poisonous, bile-filled post ever presented
>>> > in this group.
>
>>> *yawn*
>>>
>>> { snip stupidity }
>
>> Sure. Meanwhile we can picture your wild-eyed face,
>
>Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ................
>
>(someone wake me when he's 'ejaculated' }
>
>
>--
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>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:allm3r$mek$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht
> <2Osf9.1792$R7.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
>
> >
> >"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:alismt$7hd$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
> >>
> >> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
>
> <kB's snipped, since: Carpe Diem>
>
> I agree with:
> "And let me put this quite bluntly. so it's understood in the framework of
> what I'm about to say: I view the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as between
> two punch-drunk fighters, both having lost all sense of what they intend to
> achieve in the final result, but simply intent on lashing out until one or
> the other is totally eliminated."
>
> To the rest:
> Nobody doubts that US-effords had been made to bring the conflict to an end.
> The problem rather is that any partitioner in the conflict inclusive their
> associated can per definitionem not be an arbiter.
>
>
> >And you, Jürgen, would dare ask what has the U.S. done. What
> >has Germany done?
>
> I dare ask *any* question - and guess what, I have not to ask for your
> permission. So again: Is there any behavior of Israel thinkable which would
> cause Israel's loss of the US-support?
>
Palestinian terrorist which would cause YOU to change YOUR
support? I doubt it seriously, in view of your past words.
> >
> >And what is even more damning... is that if ANY continent owes
> >a 'debt' to the Jew, it is the EUROPEAN continent.
>
> And this 'debt' should converge to a general licence for Israel to do
> whatever they want, I suppose.
>
other than wag your finger at the U.S. I repeat -- What HAS GERMANY
done in this conflict?
> I tell you what. As horrible particularly the German crimes against the Jews
> had been, there results no justification for neither the Jews nor the
> Americans from to kill even ONE innocent human.
>
Let me get this straight... It's okay for the Palestinian terrorist,
and presumably bin Laden as well, to kill Jews and Americans,
but not the other way around.
> >The U.S. certainly
> >owes the Jew NOTHING. Europe owes the Jew 6 million shoes that
> >lie in the crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
> >than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of oil......
>
> [Europe engages in alternate, renewable energy-resources plus energetically
> economical technics, last not least in view of Kyoto, and will so step by
> step reduce the dependence of oil.]
>
ROTFLMAO. I don't believe it!!!!! 'Europe engages in alternate....' so
Palestinian can keep killing Jew, and Jew can keep killing Palestinian,
because Europe is concerned about reducing their dependence on oil.
Which simply proves my POINT. It's ALL about oil. The fear of losing
it, drives this conservation effort, and drives your support for those who
HAVE that oil. What happens when you become 'oil independent'?
Presumably you'll then develop a balanced view of the Middle East?
How fucking NOBLE!!!! How fucking SELF-SACRIFICING!!!! How
fucking HYPOCRITICAL!!!
You should stick to the DP, where you appear to be principled.
Because some rather ugly roots are showing here.
PV
> <snippage, snippage, snippage>
>
> Jürgen
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jürgen
You are wrong. I do not support Hamas, AlQua'eda, or any
'drive-the-Jews-into-the-sea'-Palestinians. I do support *NO* zealots. Not
the Taleban, not the Fatah, not the Hamas, not the Intifada, no Skinheads,
no American fundamentalists.
You could have grasped meanwhile that I am the wrong man for any
polarizations. It is the standard-situation that both parties of any
conflict have a share in the responsibility for the whole.
Whom I really support are the pretty normal people, who are interested in
living a pretty normal life.
>> >
>> >And what is even more damning... is that if ANY continent owes
>> >a 'debt' to the Jew, it is the EUROPEAN continent.
>>
>> And this 'debt' should converge to a general licence for Israel to do
>> whatever they want, I suppose.
>>
>No. It should make you AWARE of your debt, and DO SOMETHING,
>other than wag your finger at the U.S. I repeat -- What HAS GERMANY
>done in this conflict?
>
Germany does very, very well in holding a neutral position in this conflict.
Very, very well, Sir. Very, very, very well.
>> I tell you what. As horrible particularly the German crimes against the
Jews
>> had been, there results no justification for neither the Jews nor the
>> Americans from to kill even ONE innocent human.
>>
>Let me get this straight... It's okay for the Palestinian terrorist,
>and presumably bin Laden as well, to kill Jews and Americans,
>but not the other way around.
No...it is not OK. In neither direction.
>> >The U.S. certainly
>> >owes the Jew NOTHING. Europe owes the Jew 6 million shoes that
>> >lie in the crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
>> >than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of
oil......
>>
>> [Europe engages in alternate, renewable energy-resources plus
energetically
>> economical technics, last not least in view of Kyoto, and will so step by
>> step reduce the dependence of oil.]
>>
>ROTFLMAO. I don't believe it!!!!! 'Europe engages in alternate....' so
>Palestinian can keep killing Jew, and Jew can keep killing Palestinian,
>because Europe is concerned about reducing their dependence on oil.
>Which simply proves my POINT. It's ALL about oil. The fear of losing
>it, drives this conservation effort, and drives your support for those who
>HAVE that oil. What happens when you become 'oil independent'?
>Presumably you'll then develop a balanced view of the Middle East?
>How fucking NOBLE!!!! How fucking SELF-SACRIFICING!!!! How
>fucking HYPOCRITICAL!!!
Well, the greater your eruptions, the weaker your argument. In fact, it was
you US-honey-pies who lifted the lot of most cynical regimes on the
thrones - for exactly oil.
>
>You should stick to the DP, where you appear to be principled.
>Because some rather ugly roots are showing here.
What is ugly? That the industrial nations are depending upon oil? Or economy
and money per se? Is it ugly that we are physical existences and thus
depending upon matter?
You are trying to define neutrality as a partitioner in the conflict. This
is exactly the same naive mistake than trying to give the arbiter while
simultaneously taking part in the game.
J.
incubus
> Le Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:29:19 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit
:
>
> { snip }
>
> >> > you poof. You xterm from X????
>
> >> No, I don't xterm _from_ X. I'm running xterm _in_ X.
>
> > no you are running Xterm in X
>
> Oh. Is this a capitalisation flame ? If it is ...
no mate. It wasn't even a flame or a note on your capitalisation. A flame is
an attack. I was not attacking you. I leave the flames to the trolls
>
> des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
> No manual entry for Xterm
>
> ... whereas ...
>
> des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
> XTERM(1) XTERM(1)
>
> NAME
> xterm - terminal emulator for X
>
> ... etc.
>
> You're perhaps confusing it with Eterm, which does take an initial
> capital ...
I'm suprised you use a gnu news reader from X.
hmm. I fancy a glass of Claret
incubus
> Le Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:01:45 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
<pasdespa...@zeouane.org> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
> ^
>
> This should have been lowercase.
It doesn't matter mate. You haven't offended anyone
incubus
"Hugh Neary" <spamstopper@net> wrote in message
news:j4psnuobmfddevrqj...@4ax.com...
Normally i would say stage 4, but i am hoping we agree to differ, make
amusing japes and laugh this off hence dosolving the threat of a flame war.
Life is so much easier that way :-D
>
> Can you get a spell checker just in case I get worse?
I've got one but the damned thing ignores segmented mail :-(
>
> HN
>
>
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> HN
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
incubus
> Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:19:28 +0100, John Rennie <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
a écrit :
>
> Fuck off, spamming cunt.
>
> { abuse report sent to ntlworld }
careful mate. He may retaliate by sending your post to your isp.
In my experience, isp's have one of two attitudes. They are fascist
dictators and would throw you off for sneezing or they ignore "abuse@"
messages. I can (but won't) name several so called big ones (ooer) that take
the latter approach
incubus
"John Rennie" <j.re...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I make no apologies for posting Tony Blair's speech of today in full.
I like Tony Blair. Ok he's a politician and they should all be executed but
he stutters. He stammers. When people ask him questions he actually answers
them. He won't last long :-(
A Planet Visitor
> Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:49:32 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> >> > Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare
> >> > Israel the
> >> > 53 US-state?
>
> >> <fx: counts on fingers ...>
> >>
> >> Well, the UK is the 51st ... what's the 52nd ?
>
> > Australia. :(
>
>
Be afraid, FDP... be very afraid. I understand that Chirac is presenting just
such a proposal to the French Assembly.
http://www.elysee.fr/actus/mag_.htm
incubus
> Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:06:28 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> >> Fuck off, spamming cunt.
> >>
> >> { abuse report sent to ntlworld }
>
> > careful mate. He may retaliate by sending your post to your isp.
>
>
> billytwat apparently contacted my ISP a few months back, and
> was braying just after that, that I'd be looking for a new ISP.
> Guess what: he was wrong. Isn't _that_ a surprise ..?
because yours is one of many that ignore abuse messages.
Do you think that may isps have an alias line that reads something like
*abuse rubbish*
where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
incubus
> Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:08:23 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> >> > des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
>
> >> This should have been lowercase.
>
> > It doesn't matter mate. You haven't offended anyone
>
> and I seek (with a great deal of success, I might add) to mend bridges,
> and to bring deathie scum and decent abolitionist together.
LOL.
I know what you mean. I try to bring the retardes aboloshinists together
with us deathie geniuses but the aboloshinists are too stupid to understand
;-)
incubus
> Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:33:12 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> billytwat apparently contacted my ISP a few months back, and
> >> was braying just after that, that I'd be looking for a new ISP.
> >> Guess what: he was wrong. Isn't _that_ a surprise ..?
>
> > because yours is one of many that ignore abuse messages.
> >
> > Do you think that may isps have an alias line that reads something like
> >
> > *abuse rubbish*
> >
> > where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
>
> are on a shared subnetwork, mine being 212.198.68.0. Quite often,
> I get portscanned by others who share the subnetwork, and whilst I
> don't bother if it happens once or twice, if it becomes persistent,
> I inform my ISP. They are usually quite quick at getting back to
> me, which shows that they _do_ read their mail.
my last job was a techie/programmer with an isp. our server was hit by
spammers who got hold of our formmail script and used it to spam. We traced
it back to the source via the logs and and i patched the script so all
unsolicited mail went to me. We e-mailed the isp and forwarded all the
offensive spam to them. They never replied and they were one of many though
to give you a clue who the isp was. They are very famous in britain and
american and their name has three letters. We were a lot smaller but we
still dealt with abusers. Why can't they??
I am glad you had success
incubus
> Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:01:26 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> >> I make no apologies for posting Tony Blair's speech of today in full.
>
but
> > he stutters. He stammers. When people ask him questions he actually
answers
> > them. He won't last long :-(
>
> there's no chance _not_ to like him.
>
yes. He is rather decent in comparison isn't he?
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
I think that Des was pulling John's leg, actually.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
I am abuse@ my workplace. I have to read the shite that gets sent to us
and make a decision about what needs to be done.
incubus
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
message news:jonathan-4996C5...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <BwPf9.3906$ZB3....@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
>
> > "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
> > news:slrnanvfq6.ev7.p...@lievre.voute.net...
> > > Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:06:28 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > > >> Fuck off, spamming cunt.
> > > >>
> > > >> { abuse report sent to ntlworld }
> > >
> > > > careful mate. He may retaliate by sending your post to your isp.
> > >
> > > Why exactly should that bother me ?
> > >
> > > billytwat apparently contacted my ISP a few months back, and
> > > was braying just after that, that I'd be looking for a new ISP.
> > > Guess what: he was wrong. Isn't _that_ a surprise ..?
> >
> > because yours is one of many that ignore abuse messages.
> >
> > Do you think that may isps have an alias line that reads something like
> >
> > *abuse rubbish*
> >
> > where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
>
> I am abuse@ my workplace. I have to read the shite that gets sent to us
> and make a decision about what needs to be done.
as i was one of a group who did with ours, but ours were small. We didn't
think ourselves too important
incubus
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
> In article <y7Pf9.3738$ZB3....@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
>
> > "Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
> > news:slrnansea3.abl.p...@lievre.voute.net...
> > > Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:19:28 +0100, John Rennie
> > > <j.re...@ntlworld.com>
> > a écrit :
> > >
> > > Fuck off, spamming cunt.
> > >
> > > { abuse report sent to ntlworld }
> >
> >
> > careful mate. He may retaliate by sending your post to your isp.
> >
> > In my experience, isp's have one of two attitudes. They are fascist
> > dictators and would throw you off for sneezing or they ignore "abuse@"
> > messages. I can (but won't) name several so called big ones (ooer) that
> > take
> > the latter approach
>
> I think that Des was pulling John's leg, actually.
probably. Actually NTL used to be quite good. I have had no dealing with
them recently in that vein
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
"incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
> "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote
> in
> message news:jonathan-4996C5...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> > I am abuse@ my workplace. I have to read the shite that gets sent to
> > us
> > and make a decision about what needs to be done.
>
> as i was one of a group who did with ours, but ours were small. We didn't
> think ourselves too important
We're not important in the scheme of things but you'd be surprised as to
how many people write and say "I've been pinged by someone from your
site. Can you flay them alive for me?"
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:40:23 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
>
> > I am abuse@ my workplace.
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> You misspelt {1} 'abusive in' ... ;-)
Only when I'm _really_ off-pissed.
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Upon arrival in France, in IT (unfortunately), I found myself working
> for France's biggest ISP. First as lowly Windows 98/NT technical
> support, then as their UNIX admin. abuse@ got directed to my
> inbox, and the policy at the time was, if we received a spam report,
> we checked the headers, if they were genuine, we immediately blocked
> the user's account, and sent him a Recorded Delivery letter, telling
> him why we had done so. If he didn't respond, his account was killed.
Standard procedure - removal of service will prompt the innocent or
foolish to enquire as to _why_. The guilty tend to slink off and find
another provider.
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:07:46 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> >> >> > des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
>
> >> >> This should have been lowercase.
>
> >> > It doesn't matter mate. You haven't offended anyone
>
> >> I never offend, incubus. My role on this newsgroup is conciliation,
> >> and I seek (with a great deal of success, I might add) to mend bridges,
> >> and to bring deathie scum and decent abolitionist together.
>
> > LOL.
> >
> > I know what you mean. I try to bring the retardes aboloshinists together
> > with us deathie geniuses but the aboloshinists are too stupid to
understand
> > ;-)
>
logic failure... Processor is fucked :-P
oops no. That remark of yours makes no sense Desi
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:15:35 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> > my last job was a techie/programmer with an isp. our server was hit by
> > spammers who got hold of our formmail script and used it to spam. We
traced
> > it back to the source via the logs and and i patched the script so all
> > unsolicited mail went to me. We e-mailed the isp and forwarded all the
> > offensive spam to them. They never replied and they were one of many
though
> > to give you a clue who the isp was. They are very famous in britain and
> > american and their name has three letters. We were a lot smaller but we
> > still dealt with abusers. Why can't they??
>
> for France's biggest ISP. First as lowly Windows 98/NT technical
> support, then as their UNIX admin. abuse@ got directed to my
> inbox, and the policy at the time was, if we received a spam report,
> we checked the headers, if they were genuine, we immediately blocked
> the user's account, and sent him a Recorded Delivery letter, telling
> him why we had done so. If he didn't respond, his account was killed.
>
> dilligent ...
absolutley. We often found that we had to trace the isps of the original
poster ad email them with the offensive posts. A lot of them ignored us. We
could not block the isp as all genuine connections would have gone too.
incubus
> Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:40:23 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
>
> > I am abuse@ my workplace.
>
> You misspelt {1} 'abusive in' ... ;-)
>
>
behave
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
pasdespa...@zeouane.org wrote:
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:24:46 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
> <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> as i was one of a group who did with ours, but ours were small. We
> >> didn't
> >> think ourselves too important
>
> > We're not important in the scheme of things but you'd be surprised as
> > to
> > how many people write and say "I've been pinged by someone from your
> > site. Can you flay them alive for me?"
>
> I find a personal visit to the person's office, much more productive.
> Especially if the person concerned is the 5'9", green-eyed secretary
> to the HR director, with a penchant for one-piece black dresses ...
I said "ping", not...
Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:52:44 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:36:51 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>> I think that Des was pulling John's leg, actually.
>
>Moi ..?
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
>
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:53:53 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:40:23 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
>
>> I am abuse@ my workplace.
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
>You misspelt {1} 'abusive in' ... ;-)
>
>{1} or 'mis-spelt', until Oxford decides ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:00:05 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:57:19 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> I find a personal visit to the person's office, much more productive.
>>> Especially if the person concerned is the 5'9", green-eyed secretary
>>> to the HR director, with a penchant for one-piece black dresses ...
>
>> I said "ping", not...
>
>A genuine 'LOL' ... cnut ... :-)
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:10:15 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:06:28 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>>> Fuck off, spamming cunt.
>>>
>>> { abuse report sent to ntlworld }
>
>> careful mate. He may retaliate by sending your post to your isp.
>
>Why exactly should that bother me ?
>
>billytwat apparently contacted my ISP a few months back, and
>was braying just after that, that I'd be looking for a new ISP.
>Guess what: he was wrong. Isn't _that_ a surprise ..?
>
>{ snip }
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:39:17 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:34:49 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> ... or too clever to spell ...
>
>> logic failure... Processor is fucked :-P
>>
>> oops no. That remark of yours makes no sense Desi
>
>... and this is news how, exactly ..?
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:25:42 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:24:46 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> as i was one of a group who did with ours, but ours were small. We didn't
>>> think ourselves too important
>
>> We're not important in the scheme of things but you'd be surprised as to
>> how many people write and say "I've been pinged by someone from your
>> site. Can you flay them alive for me?"
>
>I find a personal visit to the person's office, much more productive.
>Especially if the person concerned is the 5'9", green-eyed secretary
>to the HR director, with a penchant for one-piece black dresses ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:40:25 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:33:12 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> billytwat apparently contacted my ISP a few months back, and
>>> was braying just after that, that I'd be looking for a new ISP.
>>> Guess what: he was wrong. Isn't _that_ a surprise ..?
>
>> because yours is one of many that ignore abuse messages.
>>
>> Do you think that may isps have an alias line that reads something like
>>
>> *abuse rubbish*
>>
>> where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
>
>Mine doesn't, because as you probably know, many cable subscribers
>are on a shared subnetwork, mine being 212.198.68.0. Quite often,
>I get portscanned by others who share the subnetwork, and whilst I
>don't bother if it happens once or twice, if it becomes persistent,
>I inform my ISP. They are usually quite quick at getting back to
>me, which shows that they _do_ read their mail.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:40:25 +0000
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:38:13 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:01:26 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>>> I make no apologies for posting Tony Blair's speech of today in full.
>
>> I like Tony Blair. Ok he's a politician and they should all be executed but
>> he stutters. He stammers. When people ask him questions he actually answers
>> them. He won't last long :-(
>
>I like him, too. In any case, when you consider what he replaced ...
>there's no chance _not_ to like him.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:26:34 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:25:38 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>>> >> where rubbish gets redirected to /dev/null :-)
>
>>> > I am abuse@ my workplace.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^
>
>>> You misspelt {1} 'abusive in' ... ;-)
>
>> Only when I'm _really_ off-pissed.
>
>Ah ... all the time, then ..?
>
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:27:32 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:08:57 GMT, A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> a
>écrit :
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> As long as it's not France, I don't really care ...
>
>> Be afraid, FDP... be very afraid. I understand that Chirac is presenting
>just
>> such a proposal to the French Assembly.
>>
>> http://www.elysee.fr/actus/mag_.htm
>
>Heh ... a rare example of LDB humour. What a pity that it's so
>rare {1}.
>
>{1} What a pity also that French Presidents don't address the National
> Assembly
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:38:43 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:33:18 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>>> Upon arrival in France, in IT (unfortunately), I found myself working
>>> for France's biggest ISP. First as lowly Windows 98/NT technical
>>> support, then as their UNIX admin. abuse@ got directed to my
>>> inbox, and the policy at the time was, if we received a spam report,
>>> we checked the headers, if they were genuine, we immediately blocked
>>> the user's account, and sent him a Recorded Delivery letter, telling
>>> him why we had done so. If he didn't respond, his account was killed.
>
>> Standard procedure - removal of service will prompt the innocent or
>> foolish to enquire as to _why_. The guilty tend to slink off and find
>> another provider.
>
>If only other ISPs would do the same ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:58:11 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:07:46 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>>> >> > des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
>
>>> >> This should have been lowercase.
>
>>> > It doesn't matter mate. You haven't offended anyone
>
>>> I never offend, incubus. My role on this newsgroup is conciliation,
>>> and I seek (with a great deal of success, I might add) to mend bridges,
>>> and to bring deathie scum and decent abolitionist together.
>
>> LOL.
>>
>> I know what you mean. I try to bring the retardes aboloshinists together
>> with us deathie geniuses but the aboloshinists are too stupid to understand
>> ;-)
>
>... or too clever to spell ...
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:53:42 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:39:51 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>{ snip }
>
>>> If only other ISPs .. including the one to which you allude, were as
>>> dilligent ...
>
>> absolutley. We often found that we had to trace the isps of the original
>> poster ad email them with the offensive posts. A lot of them ignored us. We
>> could not block the isp as all genuine connections would have gone too.
>
>As I control my domain name (let me know if you want an address, by the
>way), I receive very few spams. Those that I do receive, are fed into
>the following script ...
>
> #!/bin/sh
> # Kill the cunts ...
>
> addr=XXXXX
> REPLYTO=XXXXX ; export REPLYTO
> file="/home/desmond/drafts/spam"
> i=0; n=10000
> while [ $i -lt $n ]
> do
> /usr/bin/nice -20 mailx -s test $addr < "$file"
> /bin/sleep 15
> i=`expr $i + 1`
> done
>
>:)))
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
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Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:37:28 +0000
>
>Le Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:08:23 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>>> > des...@lievre.voute.net % man Xterm
>
>>> This should have been lowercase.
>
>> It doesn't matter mate. You haven't offended anyone
>
>I never offend, incubus. My role on this newsgroup is conciliation,
>and I seek (with a great deal of success, I might add) to mend bridges,
>and to bring deathie scum and decent abolitionist together.
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:37:28 +0000
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:14:30 +0000
>
>Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:15:35 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a écrit :
>
>
>{ snip }
>
>> my last job was a techie/programmer with an isp. our server was hit by
>> spammers who got hold of our formmail script and used it to spam. We traced
>> it back to the source via the logs and and i patched the script so all
>> unsolicited mail went to me. We e-mailed the isp and forwarded all the
>> offensive spam to them. They never replied and they were one of many though
>> to give you a clue who the isp was. They are very famous in britain and
>> american and their name has three letters. We were a lot smaller but we
>> still dealt with abusers. Why can't they??
>
>Upon arrival in France, in IT (unfortunately), I found myself working
>for France's biggest ISP. First as lowly Windows 98/NT technical
>support, then as their UNIX admin. abuse@ got directed to my
>inbox, and the policy at the time was, if we received a spam report,
>we checked the headers, if they were genuine, we immediately blocked
>the user's account, and sent him a Recorded Delivery letter, telling
>him why we had done so. If he didn't respond, his account was killed.
>
>If only other ISPs .. including the one to which you allude, were as
>dilligent ...
>
>
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |CUNT#1 YGL#4 YFC#1 YFB#1 UKRMMA#14 two#38
>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
>desmond @ zeouane.org
>http: // www . zeouane . org
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>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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Dr. Dolly Coughlan
Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> writes:
>Subject: Re: WAR
>From: Desmond Coughlan <pasdespa...@zeouane.org>
>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:25:55 +0000
>
>Le Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:49:32 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
><jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
>>> > Why do you not simply add another star in your banner and declare
>>> > Israel the
>>> > 53 US-state?
>
>>> <fx: counts on fingers ...>
>>>
>>> Well, the UK is the 51st ... what's the 52nd ?
>
>> Australia. :(
>
>As long as it's not France, I don't really care ...
>
>--
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>Yamaha FJR1300 |BONY#48 ANORAK#11
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>Newsgroups: alt.activism.death-penalty
>Subject: Re: WAR
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A Planet Visitor
"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:alo644$ou4$04$1...@news.t-online.com...
>
> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >
> >"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:allm3r$mek$07$1...@news.t-online.com...
> >>
> >> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht
> >> <2Osf9.1792$R7.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Jürgen" <K.J.H...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> >> news:alismt$7hd$05$1...@news.t-online.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> A Planet Visitor schrieb in Nachricht ...
> >>
> >> <kB's snipped, since: Carpe Diem>
> >>
> >> I agree with:
> >> "And let me put this quite bluntly. so it's understood in the framework
> of
> >> what I'm about to say: I view the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as
> between
> >> two punch-drunk fighters, both having lost all sense of what they intend
> to
> >> achieve in the final result, but simply intent on lashing out until one
> or
> >> the other is totally eliminated."
> >>
> >> To the rest:
> >> Nobody doubts that US-effords had been made to bring the conflict to an
> end.
> >> The problem rather is that any partitioner in the conflict inclusive
> their
> >> associated can per definitionem not be an arbiter.
> >>
> >>
> >> >And you, Jürgen, would dare ask what has the U.S. done. What
> >> >has Germany done?
> >>
> >> I dare ask *any* question - and guess what, I have not to ask for your
> >> permission. So again: Is there any behavior of Israel thinkable which
> would
> >> cause Israel's loss of the US-support?
> >>
> >Quite certainly I am sure there is. Is there any behavior of the
> >Palestinian terrorist which would cause YOU to change YOUR
> >support?
>
> You are wrong. I do not support Hamas, AlQua'eda, or any
> 'drive-the-Jews-into-the-sea'-Palestinians. I do support *NO* zealots. Not
> the Taleban, not the Fatah, not the Hamas, not the Intifada, no Skinheads,
> no American fundamentalists.
>
Don't try to kid me. Now you simply wish to try and extract
yourself from some very damning statements you've made.
Your entire 'argument' (sic) has been directed against ONLY
the Jews. I have NEVER heard you say that the Jews have
a right to defend against terrorist attacks to their civilian
population.
> You could have grasped meanwhile that I am the wrong man for any
> polarizations. It is the standard-situation that both parties of any
> conflict have a share in the responsibility for the whole.
>
No... you've isolated yourself from ANY position which would claim
the Jews have a 'right' to exist in Israel.
> Whom I really support are the pretty normal people, who are interested in
> living a pretty normal life.
>
Sure you are. Those would be the Palestinian men who would
convince young girls to strap explosives to themselves and detonate
them in malls.
> >> >
> >> >And what is even more damning... is that if ANY continent owes
> >> >a 'debt' to the Jew, it is the EUROPEAN continent.
> >>
> >> And this 'debt' should converge to a general licence for Israel to do
> >> whatever they want, I suppose.
> >>
> >No. It should make you AWARE of your debt, and DO SOMETHING,
> >other than wag your finger at the U.S. I repeat -- What HAS GERMANY
> >done in this conflict?
> >
>
> Germany does very, very well in holding a neutral position in this conflict.
> Very, very well, Sir. Very, very, very well.
>
You can say a thousand 'verys' and it does not change the fact that
Germany pays only lip service to this problem. And you are simply
a symptom of that apathy.
> >> I tell you what. As horrible particularly the German crimes against the
> Jews
> >> had been, there results no justification for neither the Jews nor the
> >> Americans from to kill even ONE innocent human.
> >>
> >Let me get this straight... It's okay for the Palestinian terrorist,
> >and presumably bin Laden as well, to kill Jews and Americans,
> >but not the other way around.
>
> No...it is not OK. In neither direction.
>
Oh... NOW you would 'clarify' your words. Clearly they included
NO mention of Palestinian terrorists when you offered them. They
simply ACCUSED Jews and Americans. I'm tired of your
pathetic excuses to try and extract yourself from your words
regarding Israel being the 53rd U.S. State. It's sickening.
Doubly so, considering the source.
> >> >The U.S. certainly
> >> >owes the Jew NOTHING. Europe owes the Jew 6 million shoes that
> >> >lie in the crucibles of holocaust museums around the world. But rather
> >> >than accept that 'debt' they worry about where their next drop of
> oil......
> >>
> >> [Europe engages in alternate, renewable energy-resources plus
> energetically
> >> economical technics, last not least in view of Kyoto, and will so step by
> >> step reduce the dependence of oil.]
> >>
> >ROTFLMAO. I don't believe it!!!!! 'Europe engages in alternate....' so
> >Palestinian can keep killing Jew, and Jew can keep killing Palestinian,
> >because Europe is concerned about reducing their dependence on oil.
> >Which simply proves my POINT. It's ALL about oil. The fear of losing
> >it, drives this conservation effort, and drives your support for those who
> >HAVE that oil. What happens when you become 'oil independent'?
> >Presumably you'll then develop a balanced view of the Middle East?
> >How fucking NOBLE!!!! How fucking SELF-SACRIFICING!!!! How
> >fucking HYPOCRITICAL!!!
>
> Well, the greater your eruptions, the weaker your argument. In fact, it was
> you US-honey-pies who lifted the lot of most cynical regimes on the
> thrones - for exactly oil.
>
Nonetheless, it was YOU who 'offered' your contribution to the Middle
East to be your 'efforts' in conserving oil. That will NOT stop the
killing.
> >
> >You should stick to the DP, where you appear to be principled.
> >Because some rather ugly roots are showing here.
>
> What is ugly? That the industrial nations are depending upon oil? Or economy
> and money per se? Is it ugly that we are physical existences and thus
> depending upon matter?
>
Don't give me that shit. Your position is that oil is MORE IMPORTANT
than lives.
> You are trying to define neutrality as a partitioner in the conflict. This
> is exactly the same naive mistake than trying to give the arbiter while
> simultaneously taking part in the game.
>
You are hardly neutral. Do not try and paint a different face on what
you've clearly demonstrated is your Pro-Palestinian terrorist position,
which holds a trace of anti-Semitism in it. I'm thoroughly sick of
the European position (as shown by your and some others here)
that disavows the right to exist to the State of Israel. Both sides
are killers of innocents. But I will NOT permit only one side to
be seen as such. Up until this moment, it has never been
your position that Israel might have a 'right' to defend itself against
terrorist attacks. I presume they HAVE such a right, and I also
presume they have exceeded that right. They are wrong. But
they are no more wrong than terrorists who would bring that
stuggle into murderous attacks on civilian malls. I find YOU now
trying desperately to backtrack to appear as having a balanced
position. These are in fact, just a few of that terrorist attacks I
can find in only the past 6 months --
Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem - Mar 2, 2002 10 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Jerusalem - Mar 2, 2002 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting in Kissufim - Mar 3, 2002 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting in Samaria - Mar 3, 2002 10 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Tel-Aviv - Mar 5, 2002 3 people killed
Suicide Bombing in in Afula - Mar 5, 2002, 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting in Jerusalem - Mar 5, 2002 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting in Atzmona - Marr 7, 2002 5 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Tulkarem - Mar 8, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem - Mar 9, 2002 11 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Netanya - Mar 9, 2002 2 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Netzarim - Mar 10, 2002 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting in Shlomi - Mar 12, 2002 6 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Samaria - Mar 12, 2002 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting in Kfar Sava - Mar 17, 2002 1 person killed
Terrorist shooting Kibbutz Hulda - Mar 19, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing in Tel Aviv - Mar 20, 2002 7 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Neve Tzuf - Mar 24, 2002 1 person kiled
Terrorist shooting in Hebron - Mar 24, 2002 1 person killed
Passover Suicide Bombing - Mar 27, 2002 29 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Kiryat Yovel - Mar 29, 2002 2 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Tel-Aviv Cafe - Mar 30, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem - Mar 30, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing in Haifa - Mar 31, 2002 15 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Efrat - Mar 31, 2002 2 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem - Apr 1, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing in Kibburz Yagur - Apr 10, 2002 10 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Jerusalem - Apr 12, 2002 6 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Adora - Apr 27, 2002 4 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Tel Avivi - May 8, 2002 15 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Netanya - May 19, 2002 3 people killed
Sucide Bombing in Rishon Le Zion - May 23, 2002 2 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Itamar - May 28, 2002 3 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Ramallah - May 28, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing in Tel Aviv - May 28, 2002 2 people killed
Suicide Bombing at Megiddo Junction - Jun 5, 2002 17 people killed
Terrorist shooting in Carmei Tzur - Jun 8, 2002 3 people killed
Suicide Bombing in Herzliya - Jun 11, 2002 1 person killed
Suicide Bombing at Patt Junction - Jun 18, 2002 19 people killed
Suicide Bombing at French Hill Intersection - Jun 19, 2002 7 people killed
Terrorist shooting - Jun 20, 2002 5 people murdered by a terrorist.
Terrorist attack on bus - Jul 16, 2002 9 people killed.
Double suicide Bombing in Tel Aviv - Jul 17, 2002 3 people killed.
Terrorist shooting in Alei Zahav - Jul 25, 2002 2 person killed.
Terrorist shooting Hebron - Jul 26, 2002 4 people killed.
Terrorist Bombing at University - Jul 31, 2002 9 people killed.
Suicide Bombing on Bus - Aug 4, 2002 9 people killed.
Terrorist shooting in Jerusalem - Aug 4, 2002 2 people killed
Terrorist shooting Samaria - Aug 4, 2002 2 people killed.
And consider that perhaps a thousand more were seriously
injured, and could well have later died. Plus so many were
women, children, teenagers, and pregnant women.
Then you should look at
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0i9o0
To get a more balance view instead of the yellow journalism of Europe.
PV
> J
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:34:49 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> ... or too clever to spell ...
>
> > logic failure... Processor is fucked :-P
> >
> > oops no. That remark of yours makes no sense Desi
>
are you admitting to constantly speaking nonsense?
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:33:18 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> >> Upon arrival in France, in IT (unfortunately), I found myself working
> >> for France's biggest ISP. First as lowly Windows 98/NT technical
> >> support, then as their UNIX admin. abuse@ got directed to my
> >> inbox, and the policy at the time was, if we received a spam report,
> >> we checked the headers, if they were genuine, we immediately blocked
> >> the user's account, and sent him a Recorded Delivery letter, telling
> >> him why we had done so. If he didn't respond, his account was killed.
>
> > Standard procedure - removal of service will prompt the innocent or
> > foolish to enquire as to _why_. The guilty tend to slink off and find
> > another provider.
>
at least the one I worked for did
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:39:51 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> If only other ISPs .. including the one to which you allude, were as
> >> dilligent ...
>
> > absolutley. We often found that we had to trace the isps of the original
> > poster ad email them with the offensive posts. A lot of them ignored us.
We
> > could not block the isp as all genuine connections would have gone too.
>
> way), I receive very few spams. Those that I do receive, are fed into
> the following script ...
>
> #!/bin/sh
> # Kill the cunts ...
>
> addr=XXXXX
> REPLYTO=XXXXX ; export REPLYTO
> file="/home/desmond/drafts/spam"
> i=0; n=10000
> while [ $i -lt $n ]
> do
> /usr/bin/nice -20 mailx -s test $addr < "$file"
> /bin/sleep 15
> i=`expr $i + 1`
> done
>
> :)))
i don't get the mailx line.
incubus
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote in
message news:jonathan-254F55...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
> In article <KXQf9.4643$ZB3....@newsfep3-gui.server.ntli.net>,
> "incubus" <inc...@hellfire.com> wrote:
>
> > "Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks>
> > in
> > message news:jonathan-4996C5...@newsroom.utas.edu.au...
>
> > > I am abuse@ my workplace. I have to read the shite that gets sent to
> > > us
> > > and make a decision about what needs to be done.
> >
> > as i was one of a group who did with ours, but ours were small. We
didn't
> > think ourselves too important
>
> We're not important in the scheme of things but you'd be surprised as to
> how many people write and say "I've been pinged by someone from your
> site. Can you flay them alive for me?"
>
the ones that make me laugh are the ones being used for spam routers and
don't even know it.
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:24:46 GMT, Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> a écrit :
>
> { snip }
>
> >> as i was one of a group who did with ours, but ours were small. We
didn't
> >> think ourselves too important
>
> > We're not important in the scheme of things but you'd be surprised as to
> > how many people write and say "I've been pinged by someone from your
> > site. Can you flay them alive for me?"
>
> Especially if the person concerned is the 5'9", green-eyed secretary
> to the HR director, with a penchant for one-piece black dresses ...
yumm. I prefer, hair tied in a bun, skirt slightly too short, blouse with
one to many top buttons undone and thin chrome rimmed spectacles and high
heels. All thet repressed sexuality <drool>
John Rennie
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message
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You would hardly think would you that after that awful list
above that more than twice as many Palestinians/Arabs have
been killed in Israel than Jews since the beginning, nearly two
years ago, of the interfada? No there is no chance of Israel
becoming the 53rd state of the USA - there's more chance
of the USA becoming a province of Israel.
incubus
"The Rev Toutou" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:00:46 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> snip
>
> >> > logic failure... Processor is fucked :-P
> >> >
> >> > oops no. That remark of yours makes no sense Desi
>
> >> ... and this is news how, exactly ..?
>
> > are you admitting to constantly speaking nonsense?
>
> who support capital punishment. But whilst he can bring the
> horse to water, he cannot make it drink.
>
> We ask this through Jesus Christ, our Lord.
>
> Miaow.
>
thank you for you consideration but I have my own faith and this is not a
religious discussion group
incubus
> Le Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:13:09 +0100, incubus <inc...@hellfire.com> a
écrit :
>
> { snip script }
>
> > i don't get the mailx line.
>
>
> man (1) mailx
>
> Which part don't you get ? nice runs the command at a lower
> priority, as sending 10,000 e-mails in the one go, would otherwise
> slow down the system. So I run mailx at priority -20. I then call
> the mailx with subject 'test', send it to $addr and read in
> $file.
>
> Capiche ?
i understand the "nice" command and i understood the flow of the script its
just I DON'T HAVE MAILX
comprende senior :-P
>
> Hmm ... just checked the man page ... that should be 20, and not -20.
> Oops ...
go stand in the corner for half an hour then do a hundred lines
Jürgen
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>> >and presumably bin Laden as well, to kill Jews and Americans,
>> >but not the other way around.
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>> No...it is not OK. In neither direction.
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>Oh... NOW you would 'clarify' your words. Clearly they included
>NO mention of Palestinian terrorists when you offered them.
You are swiftly shouting if anyone's post seems not perfectly balanced IYO,
while you are providing one of the most unipolar attitudes thinkable. So
show up where and when you defined legitime Palestinian self defense.
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