The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
Debunks2005
The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
By Shira Sorko-Ram
Maoz Israel Report
Have you ever thought about all the Jews who did follow Jesus 2000 years ago?
CBN.com – We all know how Jesus mourned over Jerusalem, cursed Capernaum over
its indifference, and was chased out of His hometown of Nazareth and
unceremoniously asked to leave the Gadarenes.
From day one, the religious rulers of Israel were on his case. They abhorred
his healing on the Sabbath day. They resented the fact that his disciples did
not always carry out ceremonial washings before eating. Most of all they were
intensely jealous of Jesus' popularity. And they found insufferable the
possibility that their nation might turn to Him.
Moreover, Jesus hated the behavior of many of the scribes, Pharisees and
Sadducees. He condemned their love of fame and privilege, their desire to be
venerated, adulated and adored. He found their self-righteousness and their
ambition to keep power and position in their hands insufferable. He abhorred
their love of money, their stealing from the poor among the Jewish people and
their disregard of justice and true love of God.
But have we ever considered just how many Jewish citizens of Israel did love
and follow him during those three short years that he ministered in Israel,
healing the sick and preaching repentance from sin?
The Gospels tell us, as soon as Jesus began his full-scale ministry, He was
immediately surrounded by literally thousands of Jewish people. The New
Testament records some of the events that occurred while great multitudes
listened, watched and followed Him.
They came from every part of Israel and walked days to see Him. Clearly, the
multitudes were needy and spiritually hungry for the things of God.
As he taught and healed, the throngs grew and "there was a great multitude of
His disciples, and a great throng of people from all Judea and Jerusalem and
the coastal region of Tyre and Sidon [Lebanon],…and all the multitude were
trying to touch Him… Luke 6:17,19
How can we imagine the feelings of the poor and the hopeless among the Jewish
people who wanted to hear Him, but couldn't get close enough to do so… with
no microphones, speakers or auditoriums? Yet the multitudes continued to come.
They saw the sick healed and they said, "Nothing like this was ever seen in
Israel." Matt. 9:33
Because of the crowds, men of faith climbed a roof of somebody's house, tore it
apart, and let down a cot with a paralyzed man.
Because of the great crowds, Jesus got in a boat and taught the people on the
shore so that more could hear His voice.
His own family, totally bewildered by the mammoth crowds, did not know what to
make of Him.
And so the crowds continued, and the healings and teachings drew them to God:
"Great multitudes came to Him,…the multitude marveled at the healings and
miracles that the Lord performed, "and they glorified the God of Israel".
But just how big were these crowds? One of the two times we are given an actual
number, we are told that a multitude followed Jesus around for three whole days
in a desolate place - without food. Surely, then, this would have been one of
his smaller crowds. Yet we are told that there were 4,000 men - anywhere from
8-12,000 people following Jesus.
At times, Jesus tried to get away from the crowd to be by Himself, but the
multitudes wouldn't let Him. They followed Him everywhere. On one occasion, His
disciples advised Jesus to send a mass of people home. Again, they were in a
desolate place with no food. How many were in the crowd that Jesus Himself fed?
The record says 5,000 plus women and children - probably between 10,000 -
15,000.
Luke says that "so many thousands of the multitude gathered together they were
stepping on each other." 12:1 Another time, when Jesus reached the land by
boat, "…the multitude welcomed Him, for they had all been waiting for Him."
Luke 8:40
Imagine, waiting for a preacher or prophet to show up, not knowing when he
would arrive - with no McDonalds, no pampers, no public bathrooms, no hotels
nor motels. No water fountains, no paid vacation time. Nothing.
JESUS LOVED THESE CROWDS
When Jesus faced these huge, desperate crowds, compassion would well up inside
Him, because He knew that these people "were distressed and downcast, like
sheep without a shepherd." They were without true spiritual leaders. It was in
response to such a scene that He said, "The harvest is plentiful, but the
workers are few."
"Many therefore of the Jews [here, read Judeans - vs. Galileans] who had come
to Mary and beheld what He had done, believed in Him." John 11:45 In fact, so
many Judeans became His followers that the chief priests and the Pharisees
"convened a council, and were saying, 'What are we doing?… If we let Him go
on like this, all men will believe in Him." John 11:47-48
Among these throngs of the people of Israel were religious leaders who did
accept Jesus. Like Jairus, a Jewish synagogue official in Capernaum, who
received his daughter back from the grave. Like Nicodemus in Jerusalem, who
came at night to ask how to be born-again.
Then there were others who believed, but didn't act, just like today wherever
the Gospel is preached: "Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him,
but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, lest they should be
put out of the synagogue; for they loved the approval of men rather than the
approval of God." John 12:42-43
As Jesus' ministry grew towards its close, Jesus left Galilee for Judea and
crossed the Jordan River. Again, great crowds followed Him. The multitude
caused the blind man in Jericho to wonder what was going on. When he heard, he
instantly cried out, "Son of David [i.e. Messiah] have mercy on me." The
commotion caused a hungry man, Zaccheus, to climb a tree to see just who this
Man was.
THE PEOPLE LOVED JESUS
As He neared Jerusalem, Jesus stayed at different Jewish homes in Bethany -
Simon the (former) Leper, Lazarus the former dead man along with his sisters
Mary and Martha. Everywhere Jesus went, there were Jewish people who loved Him.
"And as the multitude followed Jesus up to Jerusalem, they spread their
garments in the road, and others were cutting branches from the trees, and
spreading them in the road. And the multitude going before Him, and those who
followed after were crying out, saying,
'Hosanna to the Son of David;
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord;
Hosanna in the highest!'" Matthew 21:8-9
Calling Him the Son of David meant they were calling him the Messiah, Root of
Jessie, the Inheritor of the Throne of David.
The Bible says that when Jesus entered Jerusalem for the last time, the city
was stirred as the multitude told everyone, "This is the prophet Jesus from
Nazareth in Galilee."
As Jesus continued to preach and teach, the multitudes stayed with Him - in the
Temple and everywhere He went. The chief priests, the scribes and the leading
men among the people tried to humiliate him by catching him with some spiritual
question that He couldn't answer. "They could not find anything that they might
do, for all the people were hanging upon His words." Luke 19:47-48
To make matters more intense, Jesus strongly warned the people of the
corruptness and hypocrisy of these same religious rulers. Finally, they had had
enough and were determined to get rid of the Man who threatened to put them out
of business.
But they had a problem. "When they sought to seize Him, they feared the
multitude, because they held Him to be a prophet." Mat. 22:15
"Then the chief priest and the elders of the people were gathered…and they
plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill him. And they were saying,
"Not during the festival, lest a riot occur among the people." Matt. 26:3-4
WHY THEY CAME AT NIGHT
When the time came for His death, a great multitude with swords and clubs from
the chief priests and elders of the people came and arrested Him. Jesus asked
them why they came secretly at night to take Him…"Everyday I used to sit in
the temple teaching and you did not seize Me." Matt. 26:55 The reason, of
course, was that there were huge crowds of Jewish visitors during the Passover
season, and many of them believed He was sent from God - so much so, that the
religious leaders were afraid to arrest Him in daylight.
The multitude that clamored for Barabbas, is described as a multitude that was
rounded up by the chief priests and the elders, not the average man on the
street. Not the people who had laid the branches and clothes on the street and
welcomed Him to Jerusalem.
What could these simple citizens have done against such determined, evil men in
their government? Think of the laws that are passed today against God and His
Word in civilized countries, even with the millions of born-again believers
praying and working for morality and justice to prevail.
Hear the hopelessness in the voices of two Jewish men on the way to Emmaus as
they spoke about these events to Jesus, not knowing it was He: "Are you the
only one visiting Jerusalem and unaware of the things which have happened here
in these days? The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in
deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, and how the chief priests
and our rulers delivered Him up to the sentence of death, and crucified Him.
But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel." Luke 24:18,
21
We know that a short time after His crucifixion - 50 days to be exact - 3,000
Jews responded to Peter's message, and after that "the Lord was adding to their
number day by day those who were saved." Soon after, another 5,000 came to the
Lord. In fact, years later, the Apostles told Paul, "You see, brother, how many
thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed…." Acts 21:21
I remember reading years ago a book written by Abba Eban, Israel's former
ambassador to the UN and a scholar. He stated that at the time of the
destruction of the Second Temple, the third largest group of Jews in Israel
were the followers of Jesus, after the Pharisees and Sadducees.
In Jesus' day, there were an estimated 7-8,000,000 Jews in the world, with
1-2,000,000 living in Israel - Galileans, Judeans, Sidonians and those residing
in the eastern part of Israel. The men and women of Israel who had a chance,
wanted to hear Jesus, and many of them accepted Him. Out of some 80,000 Judeans
living in Jerusalem, probably no more than a couple of thousand religious
leaders were responsible for leading the nation away from salvation, and into
destruction and dispersion.
The Lord knew the outcome all the time. Centuries before, He spoke through
Jeremiah: "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of
My pasture, declares the Lord." Jeremiah. 23:1 A nation must have godly men and
women to lead. Just like today. Otherwise, she is lost. Israel was weighed in
the balance and found wanting. Just like every other nation in the world then
and now.
NO PEOPLE COULD HAVE PASSED THAT TEST
Many years ago, a teacher gave an example I never forgot. He said that
somewhere in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Appalachia, the residents of a small
town all became violently sick. The State authorities rushed to the scene and
immediately took test tubes of water from the local well back to their labs.
There they confirmed their suspicions; the town's water supply was polluted.
They checked the well, and found that a sow and her piglets had fallen into the
well and drowned.
The state authorities did not have to take all the well-water to their labs.
They were able to check a small specimen and from that declare with certainty
that the entire water supply was contaminated.
Israel was God's test tube. He examined the Jewish nation, found it polluted
and from that declared the whole world defiled.
"Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the
Law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may become accountable
to God. For God has shut up all in disobedience that He might show mercy to
all." Rom. 3:19,11:32
No other nation would have done any differently.
Yet, because of God's promises of redemption, after 2000 years, we are
beginning to see more Israelis saved now than since the first century. We are
seeing whole families in Israel quite supernaturally return to God - brothers
and sisters, parents, uncles and aunts and children. Sometimes, when I see an
unusual number of individuals from the same family receive salvation, I wonder
if perhaps their forefathers were some of those many Jews of the first century
who believed in Jesus as Lord and Savior, and who prayed for their children and
their children's children….
Finally, if there had not been many Jewish people who guarded the oracles of
God and recorded them in the Old and New Testaments, and who were ready to lay
down their lives to traverse the known world and bring the message of salvation
to the Gentiles, where would the world be today?
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Ari and Shira Sorko-Ram are the founders of Maoz Israel Ministries.
Ken McVay, OBC
"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> PERSPECTIVES
> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
Who is this "Jesus?"
Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
Philip Mathews
"Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even
supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be
content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to
acquire it."
Samuel Johnson
Ken McVay, OBC
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> "Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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> > "Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > > PERSPECTIVES
> > > The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
> >
> > Who is this "Jesus?"
> > Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
> > Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> >
> > ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the
> eyewitness?
>
> Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
You're kidding me, right? 50 to 100 years AFTER this guy's supposed "death,"
people claim to have SEEN it all?
Pull the other one, buddy.
National Front
>From: "Ken McVay, OBC" spam...@nizkor.org
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I believe the word you're looking for is "religion." You know, sort of
like those nuts who've turned The Holocaust™®© Industry into a religion.
NF
--
"The bris milah is not about sexual mutilation, but who but a sexually obsessed
neanderthal would think is was? I what what 'surprises' one might find on your
hard drive..."
--Sheldon Liberman, <sheldon....@sympatico.ca>
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Debunks2005
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I haven't had the 'honor' of a response from you in ages, Mr. McVay. How sad
and downright pathetic that you would choose to break you silence with the
posting of this infantile, ignorant rot.
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>"Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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>> "Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> > PERSPECTIVES
>> > The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>
>> Who is this "Jesus?"
>> Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>> Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>>
>> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the
>eyewitness?
>
>Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
>
>--
>Philip Mathews
Well, there is a vast difference between 'these' eyewitnesses and your typical
holocaust 'eyewitness' - the Gospel writers were telling the truth.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
in message <20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com>:
>PERSPECTIVES
>The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>
>By Shira Sorko-Ram
>Maoz Israel Report
Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical
facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof?
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/8/2004 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20040309012936...@mb-m05.aol.com>
>
>>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
>>From: "Ken McVay, OBC" spam...@nizkor.org
>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800
>>Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
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>>"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>>> PERSPECTIVES
>>> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>
>>Who is this "Jesus?"
>>Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>>Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>>
>>...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
>>
>
> I believe the word you're looking for is "religion." You know, sort of
>like those nuts who've turned The Holocaust™®© Industry into a religion.
>
>NF
The attempt underway here, as I see it, is to replace Christ and Christianity
with the holocaust.
Philip Mathews
> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
> >From: "Philip Mathews" philip...@comcast.net
> >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
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> >"Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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> >> "Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >> > PERSPECTIVES
> >> > The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
> >>
> >> Who is this "Jesus?"
> >> Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
> >> Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> >>
> >> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the
> >eyewitness?
> >
> >Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
> Well, there is a vast difference between 'these' eyewitnesses and
your typical
> holocaust 'eyewitness' -
What eyewitnesses would that be, Bellinger?
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/9/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <abd98e5e1415c06d...@news.teranews.com>
Why don't you copyright your usual chant, Rogie? LOL!
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
Why don't you respect the law and netiquette?
Debunks2005
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>"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
>> >From: "Philip Mathews" philip...@comcast.net
>> >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
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>> >
>> >"Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
>> >news:c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> >> > PERSPECTIVES
>> >> > The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>> >>
>> >> Who is this "Jesus?"
>> >> Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>> >> Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>> >>
>> >> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the
>> >eyewitness?
>> >
>> >Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
>
>> Well, there is a vast difference between 'these' eyewitnesses and
>your typical
>> holocaust 'eyewitness' -
>
>What eyewitnesses would that be, Bellinger?
>
>--
>Philip Mathews
Phillip Friedman, for one?
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/9/2004 3:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <af8ed7099d570509...@news.teranews.com>
Netiquette? I am not the one always calling people 'liars' or resorting to
profanity here.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
No, but you *are* the one always violating copyright and posting off
topic articles which *you* have not even read.
George B.
forensic examination on the murder weapon, the cross. All this is said
to have happened about 2000 years ago.
But then there are others that cannot present anything like that for
millions of alleged murders supposed to be commited in 'gas chambers'
60 years ago. And you know what: These people attack and smear anyone
who dares to question there story (something that is also side about
scientology).
----
At Babi Yar it is said the Germans massacred more then 30.000 people
without leaving a single trace of them:
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndbabiyar.html
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/found.html
'gas chamber' - murder weapon? http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
Tell me what needs more faith to be believed:
The "HOLOCAUST" or the Resurrection of Christ?!
Joebruno
> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
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> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800
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> >"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >> PERSPECTIVES
> >> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
> >
> >Who is this "Jesus?"
> >Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
> >Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> >
> >...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
> >
>
> I believe the word you're looking for is "religion." You know, sort of
>
> NF
Here ya go,big shot. This is at least the 6th time I've posted this:
_Chronicle of Higher Education_, January 8, 1998. P A6
HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ISSUES STATEMENT DEPLORING EFFORTS TO DENY HOLOCAUST
by Ellen K. Coughlin
Chicago
The governing council of the American Historical Association,
meeting at the group's annual conference here last week, unanimously
approved a statement condemning recent claims that the Nazi extermination
of Jews in WWII is a myth.
"The AHA council strongly deplores the publicly reported
attempts to deny the Holocaust," the statement said. "No serious
historican questions that the Holocaust took place."
Over the past year, efforts by neo-Nazis and others to deny
the Holocaust--through such means as advertisements placed in student
newspapers--alarmed scholars. Last fall, however, the 13-member AHA
council declined to issue a statement explicitly asserting the truth
of the Holocaust, largely because of the strong feeling of some of the
that the association should not be in the business of certifying
historical facts. Instead, the council called on historians to
"encourage the study of the significance of the Holocaust."
Some 300 Signatures Collected
The councils latest action, taken on the closing day of the
association's annual meeting, came in response to a groundswell of
support among historians at the conference for a more forceful
statement against the so-called "Holocaust revisionists." Approximately
300 signatures were collected on a petition, circulated informally
at the conference, calling on the AHA council to take a public
position against attempts to deny the fact of the Holocaust.
"If we'd had the time and the personnel, I think we could
have gotten 3,000 signatures." said John W. Chambers, associate
professor of history at Rutgers University, who spearheaded the
petition effort.
Mr. Chambers said many who signed the petition were alarmed
at the presence of people at the presence of people at the enterance
of the convention hotel handing out pamphlets purporting to refute
historical claims about the Nazi concentration camps. Others at
the meeting expressed dismay at the AHA's council's earlier failure
to take a stronger stand against the revisionist position.
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/11/2004 1:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Some I have read in full, others I have glanced through and posted for purposes
of discussion. So what?
Philip Mathews
> Phillip Friedman, for one?
So you have no eyewitnesses! That would indeed make them different
from actual eyewitnesses.
Fred Ziffel
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(Archived locally as: McVayAnti-Christic_1 and McVayAnti-Christic_2)
Looks like you are not only a communist sympathizer and a communist front
(proven below with archives) as well as a person arrested for grand theft auto
and who lies about his funding (again all proofs contained in the archives
below) BUT you are an Anti-Christ which explains why you associate with the
enemies of Christ!
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
Everyone compare the last two scriptures to Ken McVay's own words:
>Who is this "Jesus?"
>Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
Not only are you an Anti-Christ but you are a communist sympathizer and a
communist front who is in part funded by B'nai Brith who has provided the
communist agenda with financial support:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=p0afnvchj52pcuh6c0dk78f9bs7ngfetac%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
Your Anti-Christic views mirror those of both B'nai Brith and its ADL who also
"grieved" the collapse of communism as being a source of rising anti-semitism!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial...
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
---Collapse of Communism contributing to the rise of anti-Semitism?---
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.asp
(Link active January 21, 2003. Archived locally as: 2966_13)
Press Release Anti-Semitism-International
"...The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change
throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the
security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director." <END>
What is Abe Foxman suggesting? Is he suggesting
communism was a guardian of Jews?
Here is B'nai Brith making a shocking revelation:
www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link was active December 2001. Now expired)
The web page was archived complete with graphics by Web Archives Org as:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010221074926re_/www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: unesco3_archive-org)
[unesco3_archive-org is a true copy]
Excerpt: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM, 1991 - '94
Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94 The period of 1991-'94 was
marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism, resulting mainly from the
collapse of the communist block in Europe and the reunification of Germany."
<END> <<I thought communism was supposed to be an oppressor of Jews so why
should communism's collapse be viewed negatively by Jews? Anyone care to answer
that?!>> Also see:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=nj3a009i4aj9ba7vo...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: If Communism Was/Is so Oppressive to Jews then Why Don't Jews Treat it
the Same as They Do Nazism? V3,0b S_0114
Message-ID: <nj3a009i4aj9ba7vo...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:56 GMT
It is no secret that Jews are the founders of the communist ideology and the
first totalitarian state!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=u626vv814v0dt9raqv17ede0h4536l51ag%404ax.com&rnum=10&filter=0
Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
Message-ID: <u626vv814v0dt9raq...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
It is no mystery to me why we never see Jews in general and their lackeys such
as you Ken McVay ever condemning communism YET Jews in general and their lackeys
such as you Ken McVay speak negatively of Christ. IOW you have more regard for
communists and communism than you do Christians and Christianity!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=51smtvgjk7u1kfqdo...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Anti-Christ Lubavitcher Jews Prophesy Non-Jews Being in Servitude to
Jews (First Posting) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:02:19 -0600
Message-ID: <51smtvgjk7u1kfqdo...@4ax.com>
BUT what can one expect from a person who has been arrested for car theft and
was jailed
~~Famous Last Words from Jail Bird Ken McVay~~
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=c1dhp...@enews4.newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayCarThief_1 AND McVayCarThief_2)
From: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org>
Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,can.taxes
Subject: Re: Bracegirdles Both Deserve Jail,Also Auditors-Crown Appeals
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:46:13 -0800
Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
"Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> did write:
>It seems Bill Grosvenor is still afraid to publish under his own name.
>That's because he has no evidence that I have ever been arrested, let alone
>convicted, of any crime,
Is that so? Did this Jewish web site lie when it reported this?
http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/Publications.asp?did=135&pid=21
(Link active February 11, 2004. Archived locally as JailbirdMcVay)
Also: http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/PublicationsPrint.asp?did=135
(Link active February 23, 2004. Archived locally as JailbirdMcVay2)
The American Jewish Committee
"Hate and the Internet by Kenneth S. Stern
On-Line Approaches
"My whole agenda is to try and remove their market, as it were. They have an
agenda to sell. If, by demonstrating that they are lying about a specific issue,
I can remove a few hundred people from their potential market place, then I’ve
done them some harm." – Ken McVay, Project Nizkor In 1956 Ken McVay stole his
father’s car and ran away from home. Apprehended, he spent his 16th birthday in
a Bellingham, Washington, jail.... <END>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oooops looks like you have been caught lying again McVay! The "American Jewish
Committee" reported: "Ken McVay, Project Nizkor In 1956 Ken McVay stole his
father’s car and ran away from home. Apprehended, he spent his 16th birthday in
a Bellingham, Washington, jail" YET you stated above: "he has no evidence that I
have ever been arrested, let alone convicted, of any crime"!
Isn't being "Apprehended" the same thing as being "arrested"?
WordNet 2.0 Vocabulary Helper: apprehended
The verb apprehend has 3 senses (first 2 from tagged texts)
1. (2) get the picture, comprehend, savvy, dig, grasp, compass, apprehend -- get
the meaning of something; ``Do you comprehend the meaning of this letter?''
2. (1) collar, nail, apprehend, arrest, pick up, nab, cop -- (take into custody;
``the police nabbed the suspected criminals'' )
3. apprehend, quail at -- (anticipate with dread or anxiety)
-----
Which sense of "apprehended" applies to you Ken McVay? ANSWER: "collar, nail,
apprehend, arrest, pick up, nab, cop -- (take into custody; ``the police
nabbed the suspected criminals'' )
YOU NOW HAVE A POLICE RECORD TOO KEN! Care to deny it Jail Bird McVay?
Here's laughing at you!! You did state: "he has no evidence that I have ever
been arrested, let alone convicted, of any crime.." BUT you were apprehended
or arrested for the crime of car theft and you were jailed! Once again you are
exposed as a liar! You weren't convicted because charges evidently weren't
pressed by your father!
The Nizkor Project -- Ken McVay Director
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada
1-250-616-9431
1-416-966-0461
1-417-781-3282
wpg...@kenmcvay.com
kmc...@nizkor.org
KMC...@VERITAS.NIZKOR.ORG
And what can we expect from a person who has been caught in numerous lies about
his funding?
--Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He Denies
Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund?--
NEWER UPDATED VERSION:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=g89720p41v7g4qtt1qbrd96bpv5joj9kao%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT Reported to
CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! V2.0 S_0206
Message-ID: <g89720p41v7g4qtt1...@4ax.com>
Date: 6 Feb 2004 14:57:46 GMT
AKA "Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"
COMICAL DENIAL OF DOCUMENTED FACTS:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=nlol001kbp1kh698t...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: Ken McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) $50,000+ Tax Evasion
Exposed aka Re: Gosh Darn Uppity Juice!
Message-ID: <nlol001kbp1kh698t...@4ax.com>
Date: 18 Jan 2004 21:17:40 GMT
==============================
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=es3i30tkn9ddmdtt7...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Re: The Nizkor Project Director is Lying About Funds He Has NOT
Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is Further Proof! V2.0 S_0221
Message-ID: <es3i30tkn9ddmdtt7...@4ax.com>
References: <jahf30doaufvar695...@4ax.com>
<ea33fe7c.0402...@posting.google.com>
Date: 22 Feb 2004 22:45:55 GMT
OLDER ORIGINAL VERSION:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=07qc8vguuom77pvmugliksb3dmdf8pp82r%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Did NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Pay Tax On Those $50k+ Donations He
Denies Receiving From the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
Message-ID: <07qc8vguuom77pvmu...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT
And finally can we expect from an person who makes excuses for naked children
pictures being propagated via the NET as you have done?
--Nizkor.Org Director, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Archived locally as: pedo_McVay)
Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: John_Confirms)
(For the record this child porn apologist is funded by B'nai Brith
as shown here: http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
B'nai Brith must condone pictures of "naked children" too!)
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
(Archived locally as: ChickenHawk_McVay)
Does anything else need to be said other than the only way for Ken McVay to view
those pictures of naked children on the NET is for him to have downloaded them!
THAT IS FACT!!
Need I say more? How can anyone who claims to follow Christ give financial
support to McVay and his circle of Anti-Christs?
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=rhao2v4fbuij94mcmi6sicj73sa4eifsns%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the Nizkor
Endowment and Trust Funds?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:56:49 -0600
Message-ID: <rhao2v4fbuij94mcm...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3e060868_1%40news2.uncensored-news.com&rnum=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
Message-ID: <3e060...@news2.uncensored-news.com>
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:46:15 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=2q9j20dkcgt28fup6...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: ZHID GROUP $60 MILLION TAX FRAUD (& McVAY/NIZKOR & BB ISSUING BOGUS TAX
RECEIPTS!!) V1.0 S_0210
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:53:49 -0600
Message-ID: <2q9j20dkcgt28fup6...@4ax.com>
aka HASIDIC GROUP CHARGED WITH $60 MILLION FRAUD (And Other Issuing of Bogus Tax
Receipts by Nizkor/B'nai Brith)
aka NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67qc8v8192tumoaivq4joitsquts3t5bs8%404ax.com&rnum=7
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V2.0
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:12 GMT
Message-ID: <67qc8v8192tumoaiv...@4ax.com>
_______________________________________________________________________________
Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com
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Debunks2005
>Message-id: <qa74c.7279$zS4.60441@attbi_s51>
Phillip Friedman, one of your star holocaust eyewitnesses!~ LOL
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
>Phillip Friedman, one of your star holocaust eyewitnesses!~ LOL
Are you sure he didn't "discover" the Holocaust, too? Because the
Philip (one "l") Friedman I am familiar with as a historian never
claimed to have personally witness the events about which he writes
IIRC...
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/13/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <85eaf010fd9a343e...@news.teranews.com>
You ought to better acquaint yourself with the literature you profess to be an
expert in, then.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
Funny that you cannot cite anything that he was supposed to have
eyewitnessed...
And are you going to continue running from the Gospel contradictions
thread and hope no one notices?
Debunks2005
>From: Roger roger@.
>Message-id: <cde89a4c6c1c7dde...@news.teranews.com>
There are no important contradictions in the Gospels if you properly understand
them. Obviously you don't.
Chris C. Larson
> >From: "Ken McVay, OBC" spam...@nizkor.org
> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800
> >Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
> >Message-ID: <c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com>
> >References: <20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com>
> >Reply-To: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org>
> >NNTP-Posting-Host: p-403.newsdawg.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
> >> PERSPECTIVES
> >> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
> >
> >Who is this "Jesus?"
> >Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
> >Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> >
> >...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
> >
>
> I believe the word you're looking for is "religion." You know, sort of
>
> NF
I think you are talking about the short sighted kooks who are
migrating to the Northwest only to be quickly squashed like bugs when
the "great white uprising" takes place.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
>There are no important contradictions in the Gospels if you properly understand
>them. Obviously you don't.
Now joe-joe starts weaseling, because *he* gets to define what is
"important" or not.
No, your original claim is that there were *no* contradictions, and
you have yet to explain how "understanding" impacts the contradictions
I posted.
Philip Mathews
He's not one of my star witnesses.
Did he claim to see something 50-100 years after the fact?
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/14/2004 3:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <6b3bfd67.04031...@posting.google.com>
>
>nationa...@aol.comNoHoaxes (National Front) wrote in message
>news:<20040309012936...@mb-m05.aol.com>...
>> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
>> >From: "Ken McVay, OBC" spam...@nizkor.org
>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>> >Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800
>> >Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
>> >Message-ID: <c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com>
>> >References: <20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com>
>> >Reply-To: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org>
>> >NNTP-Posting-Host: p-403.newsdawg.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> >> PERSPECTIVES
>> >> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>> >
>> >Who is this "Jesus?"
>> >Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>> >Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>> >
>> >...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
>> >
>>
>> I believe the word you're looking for is "religion." You know, sort
>of
>religion.
>>
>> NF
>
>I think you are talking about the short sighted kooks who are
>migrating to the Northwest only to be quickly squashed like bugs when
>the "great white uprising" takes place.
>
>
Did someone take you off your meds? Why don't you explain these
'contradictions' for your soul mate here?
Debunks2005
>Message-id: <od75c.13913$po.183727@attbi_s52>
No, he claimed it quite early in the game, I think.
Joebruno
> PERSPECTIVES
> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>
>
>
Your subject line is bullshit, rodent. Most Jews deny that Jesus is
the Messiah and that the real Messiah has not arrived yet. Personally,
I couldn't care less one way or the other. I've lived by God's law as
best I could. If I've sinned, He will deal with me eventually. I don't
want or need to be saved.
You can put your salvation where the sun don't shine.
Debunks2005
>Date: 3/16/2004 7:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <bf3896a1.04031...@posting.google.com>
That would be in your cranium
Doc Tavish
Message-ID: <c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com>
References: <20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayAnti-Christic_1 and McVayAnti-Christic_2)
(Archived locally as: McVayAnti-Christic_3 and McVayAnti-Christic_4)
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800, <c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com> "Ken McVay,
OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote:
>
>"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> PERSPECTIVES
>> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>
>Who is this "Jesus?"
>Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>
>...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
Looks like you are not only a communist sympathizer and a communist front
(proven below with archives) as well as a person arrested for grand theft auto
and who lies about his funding (again all proofs contained in the archives
below) BUT you are an Anti-Christ which explains why you associate with the
enemies of Christ!
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
Everyone compare the last two scriptures to Ken McVay's own words:
>Who is this "Jesus?"
>Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
Not only are you an Anti-Christ who is Anti-Christic in Christ Denial but you
are a communist sympathizer and a communist front who is in part funded by B'nai
Brith who has provided the communist agenda with financial support:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=p0afnvchj52pcuh6c0dk78f9bs7ngfetac%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity R_0928
Message-ID: <p0afnvchj52pcuh6c...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:54 GMT
Excerpt
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/canada/bc/ftp.py?places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.001
(Link active July 13, 2003. Archived locally as: nizkor_leth1)
Shofar FTP Archive File: places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.001
Subject: An Appeal for Aid: Racism in Salmon Arm, B.C.
Reply-To: kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: Christie,Lethbridge,Salmon Arm,Irving,Zundel
Archive/File: fascism/canada/bc salmon_arm.001
Last-Modified: 1994/05/21
[The following material reached me via the original recipient of
David Lethbridge's letter, who wishes, for the moment, to remain
anonymous. knm.]
5 May 1994
3521 20 Avenue NE
Salmon Arm, BC
V1E 4M4
Tel: 604 / 832-6678
Dear Xx. Xxxxxx:
Thank you so much for your letter of 25 April. Yes, it is
true that I am being sued....
<defamatory communist smears and rants against anti-communists deleted>
Sincerely,
David Lethbridge
====================[ new page ]====================
SACAR The Salmon Arm Coalition Against Racism Needs your Help
[...]
Dear Friend:
If you have read our defence fund letters, you know that we need
$100,000 to fight organized racism. It seems like a lot of
money, but consider this: If only 4000 people gave $25 each, the
money would be raised in no time. We believe that there must be
4000 people in this country who are willing to lend a hand in
this fight. We hope you are one of those 4000 people. This
struggle is not just Dr. Lethbridge's struggle; it is the
struggle of all those who are opposed to racism, neo-nazism, and
holocaust denial.
We do not ask you to help, as if we were beggars. We ask you to
join us.
SACAR Defense Committee
[followups directed to alt.revisionism]
<END>
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/canada/bc/ftp.py?places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.002
(Link active July 13, 2003. Archived locally as: nizkor_leth2)
Shofar FTP Archive File: places/canada/bc/salmon_arm/salmon_arm.002
Archive/File: fascism/canada/bc salmon_arm.002
Last-Modified: 1994/06/17
Newsgroups: can.general,alt.revisionism,io.eye
Subject: Anti-racist Sued By Racist For Defamation
[...]
One of Canada's most active anti-racists is being sued by one of
Canada's leading racists for... well, calling her a racist.
David Lethbridge, a doctor of psychology in Salmon Arm, B.C....
<END>
So now a communist is termed an anti-racist by Ken McVay's NIZKOR.ORG?
Here is B'nai Brith (who has also funded communist David Lethbridge) channeling
funds to Ken McVay:
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
(Link active September 21, 2003. Archived locally as: mcvay_parasite)
The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its cooperative affiliation with the
League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national
volunteer organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and bigotry,
and to promoting human rights for all Canadians.
Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their donation may call
B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224, and advise the receptionist that they
wish to make a donation to the Nizkor Project; If you prefer, you can print this
form and send to:
The Nizkor Project
c/o The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8
Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________
Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of B'nai
Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo
section. A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used to build the
Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that all of your donation be invested for
Nizkor's future needs, please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only. (All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor
Endowment Fund, Care of The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)
Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt. [#0235903-43-13]
<END>
See excerpts from the archive below concerning B'nai Brith abusing its tax
exempt status to fund communists/communist fronts.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=4186tvsr4d3oiodp2nibbuvuj91rakvimb%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED! B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge
Against Capitalism, and Christianity V2.0 R_1207
Message-ID: <4186tvsr4d3oiodp2...@4ax.com>
Date: 7 Dec 2003 12:48:39 GMT
Excerpt
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/audit1999/audit1999-07.html
(Link active September 21, 2003. Archived locally as: audit1999-07)
1999 Audit of anti-semitic incidents
The Struggle Against Antisemitism and Hate
...A Chill in the Air
In the past year the League has become aware of a trend whereby extreme right
wingers engage in libel law suits, attempting to impose a "libel chill" on human
rights advocates. Most notably, Eileen Pressler and her husband have
successfully sued anti-racist activist David Lethbridge in British Columbia...
<END>
Notice the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith refers to communist David
Lethbridge as a "human rights activist!"
http://www.bnaibrith.ca/publications/audit1998/audit1998-04.html
(Link active September 21, 2003. Archived locally as: audit1998-04)
THE B'NAI BRITH CANADA
League for Human Rights
[A] set-back for the anti-racist movement in B.C., indeed across Canada, came
with the court's finding in favour of Eileen and Klaus Pressler in their
defamation suit against Dr. David Lethbridge. The Salmon Arm couple sued CHBC (a
Kelowna television station) and Lethbridge, a psychology professor and human
rights activist, on the basis of one eight minute television news story in 1993
that allegedly impugned their reputations by ?unfairly casting them as white
supremacists and neo-Nazi hate mongers?.... As Lethbridge's lawyer, Irvine
Epstein. Q.C. put it: ?This case is about the right, and indeed the duty of a
concerned citizen to inform and educate others in opposition to those who preach
racial hatred, bigotry and intolerance.?
The B'nai Brith Lodge and League in B.C. continue to provide moral and financial
support to Lethbridge through a province-wide and national fundraising campaign.
An appeal is planned as the eyes of the anti-racism and human rights community
are on this very important case. <END>
Thus B'nai Brith provided financial support for a communist agitator!
Anyone doubting B'nai Brith's pal, David Lethbridge, is a full blown communist
need only read this:
http://www.globeandmail.com/series/election/2000Federal/candidates-new/1499.html
(Link active September 21, 2003. Archived locally as: lethbridge1499)
David Lethbridge
Communist Party, Okanagan - Shuswap
1481 Okanangan Avenue
Salmon Arm, BC V1E 1N5
Phone: 250-832-6678
Fax: 250-833-0692
E-mail: sa...@shuswap.net
Web site:
Date of birth: 08 04, 1950
Place of birth: Flin Flon, Man.
Occupation: College Professor
Education: B.A., M.A., PhD.
Platform: Not Available
Why vote for me? I have a proven and public track record of fighting for the
rights of First Nations, and of gays and lesbians, of fighting for women's right
to reproductive choice and against organized racism and facism. I will fight to
protect and expand social programs and struggle for workers' rights.
Political experience:
Candidate in 1997 for communist party in federal election
Member of the Central Committee of Communist Party of Canada
<END>
Here is David Lethbridge from his Bethune Institute he "directs":
http://bethuneinstitute.org/documents/always.html
(Link active September 21, 2003. Archived locally as: commie_always)
CPC: Always In The Struggle Against Racism and Fascism
David Lethbridge
The Communist Party of Canada came into existence in 1921, just as fascism was
taking hold in Europe. The Party was born into a Canada that was rife with
English privilege and Anglo-Saxon prejudice and racism. Among its first
struggles were those against the racist Toronto police establishment which
sought to prevent any public speeches in any language other than English...
Today, the People's Voice continues the fight against racism and fascism. The
paper consistently reports on the people's resistance to the extreme right,
detailing both its defeats and its victories. Across the country, the Communist
Party of Canada unites with many organizations... <END>
MORE COMMUNIST DAVID LETHBRIDGE RANTS:
http://burn.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/2001.11/msg00000.html
listserv ATS-L
(Link was active at the time I made my original posting
in November 2002 but the commies have killed it. I did
archive the web page locally as: msg00000 if anyone wants it.)
[AFIB] Resisting State Fascism
by David Lethbridge
(Text also exists at this link. Active July 13, 2003.
Archived locally as: beth_fasc)
http://www.bethuneinstitute.org/documents/resistingstatefascism.html
Sometimes it just slips out. The carefully engineered facade, prepared
by advertising agencies, media experts, and speechwriters educated at the very
best of schools, cracks wide open. The benign and caring image presented to
the public as the face of contemporary capitalism disappears and is
replaced by the ugly reality within.
So it was with Silvio Berlusconni, Prime Minister of Italy, leader of
the G8, and ally of President George W. Bush in the new "War on Terrorism."
Berlusconni, the ultra-conservative billionaire...
Bush is [] careful, although barely so. The ideology that accompanies
the endless expansion of US capital, and the endless wars of US imperialism, is
the intertwined ideology of white supremacy, of Christian supremacy, and of
anti-communism....
[...]
Arm The Spirit is an autonomist/anti-imperialist information
collective based in Toronto, Canada. Our focus includes a wide
variety of material, including political prisoners, national
liberation struggles, armed communist resistance, anti-fascism,
the fight against patriarchy, and more. We regularly publish our
writings, research, and translation materials on our listserv
called ATS-L. <END>
It is obvious Lethbridge is a communist and it is obvious the source
of the list server is communist YET B'nai Brith has given David Lethbridge
financial and moral support in his rants against conservatives and Christians.
<END of Excerpt>
Imagine the outrage if a tax exempt Christian organization were to give
financial support to Nazis? Or imagine the outrage if the following were to take
place:
This is acceptable (links etc. given further down)
"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman
"I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Communism. I have never
made ANY attack on Communism." - Sara Salzman
BUT would this be acceptable?
"[T]he fact that a Nazi is anti-Judaism makes perfect sense, since
Hitler called that religion the "(Whatever Goebbels would conceive)"
"I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Nazism. I have never
made ANY attack on Nazism"
Or how about this scenario?
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/367f84af799e0471
Subject: The Alberta Report on Communist David Lethbridge and More S_0311
Message-ID: <neb25010cukt62kbs...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Mar 2004 03:22:41 GMT
Excerpt
Alberta Report, Canada, October 18, 1998
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The responsible step
by Kevin Michael Grace
COMMUNIST activist David Lethbridge has a fine new name for his bullies.
According to the September 29 Edmonton Journal, "He heads a group called the
Bethune Institute for Anti-Fascist Studies." (Would neo-Nazis get respectful
media coverage if they styled themselves the "Horst Wessel Institute for
Anti-Bolshevist Studies"?) <END>
It has been proven that Ken McVay and his The Nizkor Project and B'nai Brith
have given communist David Lethbridge full support and David Lethbridge
"Sacrifices at the Altar" of his hero Norman Bethune who was at Chairman Mao's
right hand with full support for Mao's "Cultural Revolution" where millions upon
millions of anti-communists were summarily executed!! Why doesn't Ken McVay
denounce those Holocausts?
My proofs about Norman Bethune (this is from the archives cited in this very
post):
http://bethuneinstitute.org/home.html
(Link active July 13, 2003. Archived locally as: bethune_rant)
...As long as capitalism exists, the threat of fascism will never be eliminated.
Fascism, as a social and political movement, is a form of capitalism that does
away with the pretence of parliamentary democracy, and rules instead by force
and terror.
Today, neo-fascism is again on the rise... Fascist ideas have entered the
social mainstream and are shifting the political consensus ever further to the
right.
In order to help combat and defeat contemporary fascism, the Bethune
Institute is providing an on-going series of documents exposing every facet of
this most anti-democratic form of political expression.
But neo-fascism cannot be eliminated without a radical transformation of
society. Capitalism breeds racism and fascism the way a fly breeds maggots.
The struggle against fascism, and its organized racist core, is at the same
time a revolutionary struggle against capitalism itself.... <END>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That revolution against capitalism is a communist revolution and Norman Bethune
was, in fact, a communist who supported Chairman Mao in his slaughter of
millions of anti-communists.
www.columbia.edu/itc/eacp/webcourse/chinaworkbook/Lesson_Plan/RevCh_Rise_Communist.htm
(Link active July 13, 2003. Archived locally RevCh)
Lesson Plans on China
Revolutionary China: The Rise Of The Communist Party
class periods: 1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Related Lessons: 20. Revolutionary China: The Peasants In The 1990s
Objectives
To inform students about the strategy the Chinese Communist Party used
in carrying out a revolution against the Nationalists and rising to power in
1949.
To give students a sense of both the optimism and the depth and violence
of the struggle waged by Mao Zedong and the Chinese communists during the early
years of the revolution to make a "new China."
Main Ideas
The Chinese revolution of 1949 rested in large part on Mao Zedong's
strategy that emphasized the importance of peasant support. Mao believed that by
sheer force of will, selflessness, and moral conviction much could be
accomplished. He also felt that violence was a necessary part of the
revolution..
Suggested Activities
Assign the Excerpt From Red Star Over China to the class to read before
the lesson.
Read together the background material on Mao during his early life
noting what influenced him as a young man.
Then read his poem on the Long March and his speech on the selflessness
of Norman Bethune, noting two important aspects of Mao's vision of the
revolution: selflessness and determination. Then ask students to suggest how
these two qualities, championed by the Chinese Communist Party, can be found in
the recount of the Long March by Edgar Snow... <END>
Does everyone get the key points from above?
1) [Mao] also felt that violence was a necessary part of the revolution...
2) [R]ead [Mao's] poem on the Long March and his speech on the selflessness of
Norman Bethune
(Norman Bethune is the object of David Lethbridge's devotion and Nizkor/B'nai
Brith have given David Lethbridge moral/financial support.)
www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/1939/12.htm
(Link active July 13, 2003. Archived locally as: beth_marx)
(Excerpts)
In Memory of Norman Bethune
by MAO TSE-TUNG December, 1939
Comrade Norman Bethune, a member of the Communist Party of Canada, was around
fifty when he was sent by the Communist Parties of Canada and the United States
to China... He arrived in Yenan in the spring of last year, went to work in the
Wutai Mountains, and to our great sorrow died a martyr at his post. What kind of
spirit is this that makes a foreigner selflessly adopt the cause of the Chinese
people's liberation as his own? It is the spirit of internationalism, the spirit
of communism, from which every Chinese Communist must learn. Leninism teaches
that the world revolution can only succeed if the proletariat of the capitalist
countries supports the struggle for liberation of the colonial and semi-colonial
peoples and if the proletariat of the colonies and semi-colonies supports the
proletariat of the capitalist countries. Comrade Bethune put his Leninist line
into practice. We Chinese Communists must also follow this line in our practice.
We must unite with the proletariat of all the capitalist countries, with the
proletariat of Japan, Britain, the United States, Germany, Italy and all other
capitalist countries, for this is the only way to overthrow imperialism... <END>
Notice that Norman Bethune who is the object of David Lethbridge's devotion
was an adherent of a worldwide communist overthrow of capitalism and remember
Nizkor/B'nai Brith have given David Lethbridge moral/financial support!
Here are Jews in denial of their "Holocausts" against the rest of humanity:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e81e7e6846161b30
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.0 T_0205
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:48:03 -0600
Message-ID: <6iea01dq6bt8b3com...@4ax.com>
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq...@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/82690dc707209771
Subject: Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian
Ethnocide T_0201
Date: 1 Feb 2005 18:52:33 GMT
Message-ID: <j4jvv0pf79pseq5do...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:46 -0600
Message-ID: <fp3201li1kc8ij58a...@4ax.com>
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Who was spreading "Sovietism" to Europe:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c25a5121c68905c8
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise...
Message-ID: <n4k401t62rs0nndar...@4ax.com>
Date: 3 Feb 2005 16:22:52 GMT
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Who were generally regarded as "Soviets":
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=ek19cv4ei9cf2nrvull7df5rgn2rhai54c%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven by BOOLEAN Operands (Classic
Repost from 3-31-2000) Abridged Version R_0516
Message-ID: <ek19cv4ei9cf2nrvu...@4ax.com>
Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT
EXCERPT:
Lucy S. Dawidowicz
THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS 1933-1945
by Bantam Books Incorporated (#13084-6, 1979 ed).
The book's "Acknowledgments" starts with: "This book had its genesis in a
course I developed at the suggestion of Rabbi David Mirsky, Dean of Stern
College for Women, Yeshiva University [New York, New York 10033-3201 -- I added
the address- it was not in the original text. Tavish]. ...I am indebted to the
Yivo Institute for Jewish Research, the Blaustein Library of the American Jewish
Committee..."
On page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices of the
Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their accumulated hatred
for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent energies of these willing
collaborates to round up and kill Jews."
-> I now ask- How could the people named above have been anti-Semitic towards
the Soviets if they weren't Jews? The Ukrainians as well as others knew who
wrought the communist menace on their Motherland and it was Jews!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ken McVay's Anti-Christic views mirror those of both B'nai Brith and its ADL who
also "grieved" the collapse of communism as being a source of rising
anti-semitism!
---Collapse of Communism contributing to the rise of anti-Semitism?---
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=heacl09r40oic5bnu1tkb3itbrng06p76p%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
It is no mystery to me why we never see Jews in general and their lackeys such
as you Ken McVay ever condemning communism YET Jews in general and their lackeys
such as you Ken McVay speak negatively of Christ. IOW you all have more regard
for communists and communism than you do Christians and Christianity!
I.E.
"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_5 and SaraSplainsAll_6)
-------
"I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Communism. I have never
made ANY attack on Communism." - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_7 and SaraSplainsAll_8)
Here is staunch Nizkor supporter Patrick Lee Humphrey and his Anti-Christism:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=szkbsfng5a6.fsf%40eris.io.com&rnum=2
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer01)
Sender: pat...@eris.io.com
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ or eternal hell fire.
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Message-ID: <szkbsfn...@eris.io.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:14:31 GMT
shi...@yahoo.com (Ruth Muraya) writes:
>please avoid using foul language when addressing issues relating to
>Jesus Christ else you will surely DIE!!!!.
We all have to face that eventually...why don't you let your alleged savior
speak for himself?
--PLH, I found Jesus! He was buried under the dustbunnies back of the couch
<END>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=szkr9mmcwmu.fsf%40eris.io.com&rnum=1
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer02)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: JESUS IS LORD
Date: 1999/07/05
Message-ID: <szkr9mm...@eris.io.com>
Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
>"Patrick L. Humphrey" wrote:
[...]
>I am not one of Oral's mindless drones I am an independent Christian who Loves
>Jesus Christ with all my heart mind soul and strength. That is the greatest
>commandment. Your persecution doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing
>something right. And no I wont take it to a religious newsgroups. If you can
>worship satan here I can worship Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand
>up and say WE are not going to take it off of satan anymore! I will continue
>to worship my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus
>before its too late!
You can worship Tinky Winky, for all I care -- but this is Usenet, and idiots
like you don't have a _right_ to clog this newsgroup with your crap, no matter
what you think your alleged deity tells you...
~~End of GOOGLE Excerpt~~
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=szkemlks6xl.fsf%40dillinger.io.com&rnum=4
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer03)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Tired of All this Jesus Nonsense
Date: 1999/04/16
Message-ID: <szkemlk...@dillinger.io.com>
"millerbeers" <mille...@email.msn.com> writes:
>Patrick L. Humphrey wrote in message ...
>>"In His Service" <knzpe...@uswest.net> writes:
>>>Fury, PLH & prochoice (aka: proabort; prodeath), .
>>Sorry, schmuck. I'm pro-choice. Take your religious crap to a religious
>>newsgroup. Meanwhile, follow your death-cult's own advice and beat the dust
>>off your sandals and leave -- you're not wanted or needed here.
:.
>So what is this newsgroup for then? If you don't want to discuss ideas, are
>you all just hanging out here to discuss different ways to abort unborn
>children?
This newsgroup is alt.abortion. It isn't alt.jesus.is.lord, or any other name
that would signify its purpose as being for religious discussions. There are
plenty of those in the alt. and soc. hierarchies, already, so any preachers
are advised to take their babble to a newsgroup where it's at least got _some_
connection with the newsgroup's purpose. Bothering other newsgroups with
their prattling won't win them any converts, but _will_ likely piss off people
to the point where you get the inevitable flamefest.
>What do you mean by "death-cult"?
Well, what would you call a religion that makes such a big deal of its
supposed founder being nailed up and left to die, and crafts such a convoluted
morality that produces such marvels as suffering being deemed virtuous?
--PLH, think I'll stick to more common-sense notions than those
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=szken0bxmti.fsf%40bermuda.io.com&rnum=5
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer04)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Jesus and homosexuals (was Re: Gays v. Boy Scouts of America)
Date: 1998/03/09
Message-ID: <szken0b...@bermuda.io.com>
"Actually, the way I look at it, if this Jesus fellow died for
our sins, why make his death meaningless by not committing a few of 'em? ;-)
--PLH, just helping some of the more devout churchfolks out"
<END>
The real agenda of the Zionists, Communists, and Talmudic Neo-Pharisees:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=51smtvgjk7u1kfqdo...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Anti-Christ Lubavitcher Jews Prophesy Non-Jews Being in Servitude to
Jews (First Posting) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:02:19 -0600
Message-ID: <51smtvgjk7u1kfqdo...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/b61f4d1f2aca263b
Subject: Insights to Geula - Lech Lecha -- Gentiles to be Slaves When "Jewish
Messiah" Arrives? V2.0 T_0226
Message-ID: <9n6221li7hao9eset...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Feb 2005 01:16:18 GMT
As for Christ-Denial and being Pro-Communist what can one expect from a person
who has been arrested for car theft and jailed (and lied about it)?
~~Famous Last Words from Jail Bird Ken McVay~~
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=c1dhp...@enews4.newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayCarThief_1 AND McVayCarThief_2)
From: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org>
Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,can.taxes
Subject: Re: Bracegirdles Both Deserve Jail,Also Auditors-Crown Appeals
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:46:13 -0800
Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
"Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> did write:
The American Jewish Committee
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=miqil05i42imr45pdmun2kfcqjb1umhivr%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay is Lying
About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for 2002 Is
Further Proof! V2.5 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 09:13:30 -0500
Message-ID: <miqil05i42imr45pd...@4ax.com>
Tavish
Beaver Cleaver
Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and prosecuted
just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a sin
against God but "Christ Denial" certainly is and it is considered a wicked work
by scripture.
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From: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800
Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
Message-ID: <c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com>
References: <20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en
(Archived locally as: McVayAnti-Christic_1 and McVayAnti-Christic_2)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/835b618ec2eceb76
(Archived locally as: McVayAnti-Christic_3 and McVayAnti-Christic_4)
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800, <c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com> "Ken McVay,
OBC" <spam...@nizkor.org> wrote:
>
>"Debunks2005" <debun...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040308123910...@mb-m21.aol.com...
>> PERSPECTIVES
>> The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>
>Who is this "Jesus?"
>Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
>Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>
>...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
Looks like you are not only a communist sympathizer and a communist front
(proven below with archives) BUT you are an Anti-Christ which explains why you
associate and ally yourself with the enemies of Christ!
Excerpt
[...]
[...]
<END>
<END>
Excerpt
Web site:
<END>
[...]
<END of Excerpt>
Excerpt
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I.E.
shi...@yahoo.com (Ruth Muraya) writes:
<END>
Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
~~End of GOOGLE Excerpt~~
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
<END>
Tavish
Gray Shockley
> Foreword: If "Holocaust Denial" is abysmal then what about "Christ Denial" by
> Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and
> prosecuted
> just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a sin
> against God but "Christ Denial" certainly is and it is considered a wicked
> work by scripture.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Witnessing for Jesus under the liar's name
of Beaver Cleaver.
You'll join the Non-Pastorized DavieDooDa
in hell, punkgirlboy.
Gray Shockley
---------------------------------------
President George W C Bush's business professor at
Harvard Business School, Professor Yoshi Tsurumi, recalls
our President as "not just as a terrible student but as
spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar".
Paul Gundersen
Alt.monkey.fart
Doc Tavish
Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and prosecuted
just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a sin
against God but "Christ Denial" certainly is and it is considered a wicked work
by scripture.
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2737c3f9e9a137a2?fwc=2
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.1 T_0729
Message-ID: <brcke1lh0s6qacohs...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jul 2005 14:04:24 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
"Holocaust Denial" and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6?fwc=2
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT
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NOW TO CHRIST DENIAL ANTI-CHRISTISM:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.portuguese/msg/40e2a82de0029cb2
Excerpt
[...]
[...]
<END>
<END>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/can.general/msg/56c62b82ce6a0edb
Excerpt
Web site:
<END>
[...]
<END of Excerpt>
Excerpt
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2737c3f9e9a137a2?fwc=2
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V5.1 T_0729
Message-ID: <brcke1lh0s6qacohs...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jul 2005 14:04:24 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
"Holocaust Denial" and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6?fwc=2
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e364b24e60b8c04d
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/82690dc707209771
Subject: Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian
Ethnocide T_0201
Date: 1 Feb 2005 18:52:33 GMT
Message-ID: <j4jvv0pf79pseq5do...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:46 -0600
Message-ID: <fp3201li1kc8ij58a...@4ax.com>
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a7c4e4c01ddfdb7b
Subject: "Holocaust" History -- Have you ever wondered why Ukrainians
volunteered for guard duty? T_0202
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:53:02 -0600
Message-ID: <nv3201hfkij06mroe...@4ax.com>
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Founders of "Sovietism" aka the Communist Totalitarian State:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e364b24e60b8c04d
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
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Who was spreading "Sovietism" to Europe:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ff8d0e8a55137708
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <6enub1tt0b5865men...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:10:28 GMT
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Who were generally regarded as "Soviets":
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/38001f94283e1e63
Subject: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven by BOOLEAN Operands (Classic
Repost from 3-31-2000) Abridged Version R_0516
Message-ID: <ek19cv4ei9cf2nrvu...@4ax.com>
Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT
EXCERPT:
Lucy S. Dawidowicz
THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS 1933-1945
by Bantam Books Incorporated (#13084-6, 1979 ed).
The book's "Acknowledgments" starts with: "This book had its genesis in a
course I developed at the suggestion of Rabbi David Mirsky, Dean of Stern
College for Women, Yeshiva University [New York, New York 10033-3201 -- I added
the address- it was not in the original text. Tavish]. ...I am indebted to the
Yivo Institute for Jewish Research, the Blaustein Library of the American Jewish
Committee..."
On page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices of the
Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their accumulated hatred
for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent energies of these willing
collaborates to round up and kill Jews."
-> I now ask- How could the people named above have been anti-Semitic towards
the Soviets if they weren't Jews? The Ukrainians as well as others knew who
wrought the communist menace on their Motherland and it was Jews!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/87d1cf751ad2de2a
Subject: Goldhagen Vs Dawidowicz -- Anti-Semitism of Ukrainians Etc. Toward
Soviets Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:35:02 -0500
Message-ID: <i62pb1ljc0j2r73ir...@4ax.com>
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Ken McVay's Anti-Christic views mirror those of both B'nai Brith and its ADL who
also "grieved" the collapse of communism as being a source of rising
anti-semitism!
---Collapse of Communism contributing to the rise of anti-Semitism?---
http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.asp
(Link active January 21, 2003. Archived locally as: 2966_13)
Press Release Anti-Semitism-International
"...The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change
throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the
security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said
Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director." <END>
What is Abe Foxman suggesting? Is he suggesting
communism was a guardian of Jews?
Here is B'nai Brith making a similar shocking revelation:
www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link was active December 2001. Now expired)
The web page was archived complete with graphics by Web Archives Org as:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010221074926re_/www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html
(Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: unesco3_archive-org)
[unesco3_archive-org is a true copy]
Excerpt: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM, 1991 - '94
Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94 The period of 1991-'94 was
marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism, resulting mainly from the
collapse of the communist block in Europe and the reunification of Germany."
<END> <<I thought communism was supposed to be an oppressor of Jews so why
should communism's collapse be viewed negatively by Jews? Anyone care to answer
that?!>> Also see:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/38a34215c6be9542
Subject: If Communism Was/Is so Oppressive to Jews then Why Don't Jews Treat it
the Same as They Do Nazism? V4-0 UPDATED LINKS T_0630
Message-ID: <7iu6c19hjdu4t3itg...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jun 2005 05:12:31 GMT
It is no secret that Jews are the founders of the communist ideology and the
first totalitarian state!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e364b24e60b8c04d
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <heacl09r40oic5bnu...@4ax.com>
It is no mystery to me why we never see Jews in general and their lackeys such
as you Ken McVay ever condemning communism YET Jews in general and their lackeys
such as you Ken McVay speak negatively of Christ. IOW you all have more regard
for communists and communism than you do Christians and Christianity!
I.E.
"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_5 and SaraSplainsAll_6)
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"I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Communism. I have never
made ANY attack on Communism." - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180...@news.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_7 and SaraSplainsAll_8)
Here is staunch Nizkor supporter Patrick Lee Humphrey and his Anti-Christism:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/f9ac4c8dfebe7f32
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer01)
Sender: pat...@eris.io.com
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ or eternal hell fire.
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Message-ID: <szkbsfn...@eris.io.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:14:31 GMT
shi...@yahoo.com (Ruth Muraya) writes:
>please avoid using foul language when addressing issues relating to
>Jesus Christ else you will surely DIE!!!!.
We all have to face that eventually...why don't you let your alleged savior
speak for himself?
--PLH, I found Jesus! He was buried under the dustbunnies back of the couch
<END>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/ok.general/msg/9fd9722c6ea8e772
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer02)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: JESUS IS LORD
Date: 1999/07/05
Message-ID: <szkr9mm...@eris.io.com>
Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
>"Patrick L. Humphrey" wrote:
[...]
>... I am an independent Christian who Loves Jesus Christ with all my heart
>mind soul and strength. That is the greatest commandment. Your persecution
>doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing something right. And no I wont
>take it to a religious newsgroups. If you can worship satan here I can worship
>Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand up and say WE are not going to
>take it off of satan anymore! I will continue to worship my Lord and Saviour
>Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus before its too late!
You can worship Tinky Winky, for all I care -- but this is Usenet, and idiots
like you don't have a _right_ to clog this newsgroup with your crap, no matter
what you think your alleged deity tells you...
~~End of GOOGLE Excerpt~~
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/bc6c43ccb4622044
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/utexas.general/msg/b3b6da4999f71738
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer04)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Jesus and homosexuals (was Re: Gays v. Boy Scouts of America)
Date: 1998/03/09
Message-ID: <szken0b...@bermuda.io.com>
"Actually, the way I look at it, if this Jesus fellow died for
our sins, why make his death meaningless by not committing a few of 'em? ;-)
--PLH, just helping some of the more devout churchfolks out"
<END>
The real agenda of the Zionists, Communists, and Talmudic Neo-Pharisees:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ae970b4f2d934e0d
Subject: Anti-Christ Lubavitcher Jews Prophesy Non-Jews Being in Servitude to
Jews V3.0 T_0801
Message-ID: <bnkte15rvk07iiepm...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Aug 2005 02:11:12 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/4a48d7e196743f00
Subject: Insights to Geula - Lech Lecha -- Gentiles to be Slaves When "Jewish
Messiah" Arrives? V3.0 T_0801
Message-ID: <28kte19oir138edvj...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Aug 2005 01:55:50 GMT
Tavish
ALSO FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Picture Image]
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
View Larger Image
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif 11"
Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
Judaica Giftware:Dolls
JDC # Format Price
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
63536 $12.95 [Add to Cart Icon]
<END>
Imagine the outrage by Jews if some Christian bookstore were to sell little
Adolf Hitler dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of
Nazism will keep you company while you study."
(Special Note May 29, 2005: The link has been pulled on the Marx Doll and now
the link returns with "No such entry exists." which is the reason why I locally
archive such stuff! Anyone wanting the defunct web page viewable offline
complete with all graphics etc. need only make the request and I will post it to
alt.binaries as either a RAR file or a ZIP file-- your choice!)
->SPECIAL NOTE August 3, 2005: Those picture links given above describing the
Marx Doll are still active thus confirming the doll had in fact existed!
Everyone check out those two links to see before they get pulled as well!
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif
(Archived locally as: 63536 and 63536a)
Gray Shockley
> Foreword: If "Holocaust Denial" is abysmal then what about
> "Christ Denial" by Jews and their Gentile dupes?
What about it? With the representatives of the so-called Christian
faith we have on this newsgroup - present party included - who would
want to join a life-hating religion? [Jesus certainly wasn't but
those who - loudly - profess their faith so that all men may hear
are trash - including you, asshole).
> Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and
> prosecuted
You're going to bring up sex with small, furry animals against their
will again, aren't you?
How about a mandatory death sentence for all losers like Hickery
Dickery Doc Tavish - who denies Christ in every arrogant, illicit,
unfaithful and downright silly and asinine statement s/he/it makes?
I don't like what you hoodlums did to the Cathars. Christian, my
ass! Power of royalty and the church.
> just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands?
Ah! I didn't realize that you consider yourself "a citizen of the
world" [You commie pinko punk and sissy].
> "Holocaust Denial" is not a sin
> against God
But you are, Scabs A Million.
> but "Christ Denial" certainly is and it is considered a wicked
> work by scripture.
Amazing how your Joseph Stalin fanclub is developing. Another few
years and you and your "very special little friends" should be all
ready to start the assassinations to try and impose your Nipple
Socialism on free men and women.
But you're not a free person, are you, lead weight? Your masters
pull your strings and you drool and whine on command.
Those dizzy spells you've been experiencing? It's just brain cancer.
You'll be better for it. And so will everyone else.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------
"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier
[choppy, choppy - Nipple Socialists]
Doc Tavish
<0001HW.BF188DF5...@news.giganews.com> Gray Shockley
<graysh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 03:31:00 -0500
>Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 03:31:01 -0500
>From: Gray Shockley <graysh...@gmail.com>
>Organization: Tao Chemical Company
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>User-Agent: Hogwasher/4.2.2
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Message-ID: <0001HW.BF188DF5...@news.giganews.com>
>Subject: Dud Tavish / Neo-Inquisition / Nipple Socialist [was: a Shakespearian soliloquy]
>Newsgroups: alt.education,soc.culture.jewish,sci.skeptic,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.canada,alt.revisionism,can.general
>Reply-To: graysh...@gmail.com
>Approved: Karl Rove
>References: <99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What Gray Shockley can't deal with intellectually:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/acf248f27b96a6a7
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah V3-0 T_0803
Message-ID: <99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Date: 4 Aug 2005 02:56:37 GMT
Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ALSO FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archive locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Picture Image]
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
View Larger Image
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif 11"
Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
Judaica Giftware:Dolls
JDC # Format Price
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
63536 $12.95 [Add to Cart Icon]
<END>
Imagine the outrage by Jews if some Christian bookstore were to sell little
Adolf Hitler dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of
Nazism will keep you company while you study."
(Special Note May 29, 2005: The link has been pulled on the Marx Doll and now
the link returns with "No such entry exists." which is the reason why I locally
archive such stuff! Anyone wanting the defunct web page viewable offline
complete with images need only make the request and I will post it to
alt.binaries)
"[Sara Salzman] also said to "address the lie, not the liar," because Holocaust
deniers often make personal attacks when they run out of arguments."
http://www.coloradodaily.com/articles/2005/02/21/news/news02.txt
A non-debatable truth By ERIN FEESE Colorado Daily Staff
(Link active February 26, 2005. Archived locally as: CDCsaraCU)
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I say in like manner: "address the lie, not the liar," because anti-Christ
Christ deniers and their gentile Judases for allies often make personal attacks
when they run out of arguments."
AND
"If I hear something being debated pertaining to a subject that I am not
cognizant of, therefore impartial, I examine the manner of the debate and
conduct. I know who is telling the truth and who is lying by the tactics
employed- the liar always attacks the opposing person and the truth teller
always attacks the opposing premise!"
-Subject: Tavish Maxim Concerning Debate.
-Date: 1997/12/09
-Message-ID: <348ccbc4....@news.smart1.net>
The Socialists/Marxists/Leftists/Liberals or whatever name they choose
to exist under are the primary users of smear and innuendo thus they
typically resort to personal attacks instead of dealing in FACT.
Chris Larson
so sez the nipple socialist.
Doc Tavish
Organization: Tao Chemical Company
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Hogwasher/4.2.2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-ID: <0001HW.BF188DF5...@news.giganews.com>
Subject: Dud Tavish / Neo-Inquisition / Nipple Socialist [was: a
Shakespearian soliloquy]
<c2id2...@enews2.newsguy.com>
<99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
<0001HW.BF188DF5...@news.giganews.com>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<do69f15kmhfqtiabf...@4ax.com>
On 6 Aug 2005 12:40:27 -0700,
<1123357227.2...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> "Chris Larson"
<larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>so sez the nipple socialist.
I did not and what you just did was a forgery! I caught you red handed!
It was your fellow traveler Gary Shockley who wrote it! Care to deny it you
liar? How long do you expect to keep your posting privileges at GOOGLE after
doing such as you did?
"Does it bother you at all that you are forced to tell transparent lies
about your opposition, while they can undermine your efforts merely by
telling the truth about you?" -Jim Alder 01 Jun 2005
Message ID: Xns96687CF5C4150...@216.196.97.142
Your fellow looney had a problem with:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/acf248f27b96a6a7
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah V3-0 T_0803
Message-ID: <99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See that Message ID referenced higher up?
Date: 4 Aug 2005 02:56:37 GMT
Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?
Tavish
Chris Larson
Doc Tavish
<1123424290....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Chris Larson"
<larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Grow up! Your childish antics reflect on you and not on me. Your childish
escapades are archived at GOOGLE and no telling how many years it will be
possible for people to see your lame refutations and what an idiot you truly
are. BTW retract your forgery or I will do my best to have your account
terminated. The choice is yours you loser!
Tavish
~~Sara Salzman caught lying about my District Attorney~~
1) 25 Jul 2005 "The District Attorney was very careful not to say anything
defamatory about Mr. Bradbury."
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2) 07 Nov 2003 In article <Z8Qqb.10092$Pg1.485...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"Patrick Keenan" <d...@null.net> wrote:
> "Tommy" <T...@NoMail.com> wrote in message news:3885729.VEmTUV52op@FreeBSD...
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:
> > > "Tommy" <T...@NoMail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8155340.f0uTj6H1vf@FreeBSD...
> > >> > Sara Salzman wrote:
> > >> I forgot to mention: You drove all the way down and talked to the D.A.
> > >> in Bradbury's town and the DA said you were a nut-case!
> > >
> > > You were in the room, were you?
> >
> > No, Were You?
>
> No. The people who *were* in the room say that it didn't happen. Whose
> word do you have that it did? Did *you* hear the term used by the D.A.?
I did! But it was in reference to a local resident, not to me.
Sara
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3) 22 Jul 2003 "...The Austin County police and DA, however, were there. And
they had some very interesting things to say. More interesting were some of the
things they wouldn't say. Like: Policeman: We have a name for Mr. Bradbury, but
I can't say it in mixed company."
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Sara states on 25 Jul 2005: "The District Attorney was very careful not to say
anything defamatory about Mr. Bradbury." YET on 07 Nov 2003 She implies my DA
referred to me (a local resident) as a "nut-case!" YET again Sara states on
22 Jul 2003: "The Austin County police and DA, however, were there. And they had
some very interesting things to say. More interesting were some of the things
they wouldn't say." IT IS OBVIOUS SARA SALZMAN IS A RETARDED CRACKPOT WITH
MALICIOUS INTENT!! Notice Sara shows what a liar she is when she stated: "More
interesting were some of the things they wouldn't say. Like: Policeman: We have
a name for Mr. Bradbury, but I can't say it in mixed company." IF THEY WOULDN'T
SAY IT THEN THAT MEANS YOUR QUOTING WHAT "THEY WOULDN'T SAY" IS YOUR OWN
MENTALLY RETARDED IMAGINATIONS!! Care to deny you disgusting pig!?
Xrefs:
1) http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/f273677f0a167b2d
(Archived locally as: SDS_Defamation_2)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Scott Bradbury-He Is Still Active
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:16:47 -0600
Message-ID: <catamont-435AB9...@news.giganews.com>
2) http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ebdc63494ff3b481
(Archived locally as: SDS_Defamation_3)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: 3rd PING: Tommy... running away again?
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:08:43 -0700
Message-ID: <catamont-72C6B6...@news-60.giganews.com>
3) http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/0d711ad4bced9b85
(Archived locally as: SDS_Defamation_4)
From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: We Have Met The Enemy...
Date: 22 Jul 2003 23:56:18 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-6E8D44...@news.concentric.net>
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On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
Message ID: <catamont-548CA8...@spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT
(Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
Chris Larson
so sez the nipple socialist
Doc Tavish
<1123458871.7...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "Chris Larson"
<larsonc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
~~Proof Sara Salzman is an anti-Christ Daughter of the Father of Lies~~
In article <1123293232.91cadcbf933fc5a1c9150e6b2ff9b055@teranews>,
fenim...@hotmail.com (James Fenimoore) wrote:
>
> May I ask if you acknowledege Jesus is the Christ or Messiah who
> came in the flesh?
>
> You haven't answered Tavish's question.
I sure have. I've answered it three times already. And since I happen to
be Jewish, why would you think I would believe any such thing?
Sara
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From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Yale F. Edeiken Making False Claims About My Medical Records
aka Re: Steve Wolk's Cowardice... V2.0 T_0804
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:55:49 -0500
Message-ID: <catamont-CFBE3C...@news.giganews.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fff52eca83b894a3
(Archived locally as: SaraSalzmanDeniesJesusIsMessiah_1)
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The Pharisees were also Jewish and they were the first anti-Christs documented
in the Bible. The Jews of today also claim today's Judaism has been passed
down from the Pharisees whom Jesus boldly told were the Children of the Father
of Lies.
John 8:
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2b766e113b358b64
Subject: Sara Salzman Admitting She is an Anti-Christ by Her Non-Reply? Still
No Response! T_0803 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:42:24 -0500
Message-ID: <pla2f1t5hmua4ut0u...@4ax.com>
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We finally got Sara Salzman to admit she denies Jesus is the Christ or Messiah
who came in the flesh on August 5, 2005. In the following archive are examples
of the Daughter of the Father of Lies devilish lies she has been caught in:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/74d17effed6ddec
Subject: Sara Salzman's Recent Lies Documented and Archived. V2.0 T_0807
Message-ID: <9sedf1tc6173cb8ko...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Aug 2005 02:04:13 GMT
Doc Tavish
just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a sin
against God but "Christ Denial" certainly is and it is considered a wicked work
by scripture.
I.E.
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED:
1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is
the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to
mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:
Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the
flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess
Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired
expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
Everyone compare the last two scriptures to Ken McVay's own words:
Excerpt
[...]
[...]
<END>
<END>
Excerpt
Web site:
<END>
[...]
<END of Excerpt>
Excerpt
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I.E.
~~Proof Sara Salzman is an anti-Christ Daughter of the Father of Lies~~
In article <1123293232.91cadcbf933fc5a1c9150e6b2ff9b055@teranews>,
fenim...@hotmail.com (James Fenimoore) wrote:
>
> May I ask if you acknowledege Jesus is the Christ or Messiah who
> came in the flesh?
>
> You haven't answered Tavish's question.
I sure have. I've answered it three times already. And since I happen to
be Jewish, why would you think I would believe any such thing?
Sara
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From: Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Yale F. Edeiken Making False Claims About My Medical Records
aka Re: Steve Wolk's Cowardice... V2.0 T_0804
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:55:49 -0500
Message-ID: <catamont-CFBE3C...@news.giganews.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fff52eca83b894a3
(Archived locally as: SaraSalzmanDeniesJesusIsMessiah_1)
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The Pharisees were also Jewish and they were the first anti-Christs documented
in the Bible. Many Jews of today also claim today's Judaism has been passed
down from the Pharisees whom Jesus boldly told were the Children of the Father
of Lies. John 8: 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry
out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to
the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native
language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 48 The Jews answered him,
"Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2b766e113b358b64
Subject: Sara Salzman Admitting She is an Anti-Christ by Her Non-Reply? Still
No Response! T_0803 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:42:24 -0500
Message-ID: <pla2f1t5hmua4ut0u...@4ax.com>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
We finally got Sara Salzman to admit she denies Jesus is the Christ or Messiah
who came in the flesh on August 5, 2005. In the following archive are examples
of the Daughter of the Father of Lies devilish lies she has been caught in:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/74d17effed6ddec
Subject: Sara Salzman's Recent Lies Documented and Archived. V2.0 T_0807
Message-ID: <9sedf1tc6173cb8ko...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Aug 2005 02:04:13 GMT
Here is staunch Nizkor supporter Patrick Lee Humphrey and his Anti-Christism:
shi...@yahoo.com (Ruth Muraya) writes:
<END>
Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
~~End of GOOGLE Excerpt~~
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
<END>
ALSO FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
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[Picture Image]
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
View Larger Image
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif 11"
Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
Judaica Giftware:Dolls
JDC # Format Price
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63536 $12.95 [Add to Cart Icon]
<END>
Imagine the outrage by Jews if some Christian bookstore were to sell little
Adolf Hitler dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of
Nazism will keep you company while you study."
(Special Note May 29, 2005: The link has been pulled on the Marx Doll and now
the link returns with "No such entry exists." which is the reason why I locally
archive such stuff! Anyone wanting the defunct web page viewable offline
complete with all graphics etc. need only make the request and I will post it to
alt.binaries as either a RAR file or a ZIP file-- your choice!)
->SPECIAL NOTE August 3, 2005: Those picture links given above describing the
Marx Doll are still active thus confirming the doll had in fact existed!
Everyone check out those two links to see before they get pulled as well!
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif
(Archived locally as: 63536 and 63536a)
_______________________________________________________________________________
Bob LeChevalier
>Foreword: If "Holocaust Denial" is abysmal then what about "Christ Denial" by
>Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and prosecuted
>just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands?
That's up to the Supreme Judge, isn't it. It is not our business to
judge others for spiritual crimes.
>"Holocaust Denial" is not a sin against God but "Christ Denial" certainly is
Then surely the omnipotent God is capable of punishing it, if He
wished.
>and it is considered a wicked work by scripture.
Depends on whose scripture. 2/3 of the world attaches no especial
significance to the New Testament, and most of those who do attach
such significance do not consider it to be any sort of literal truth.
lojbab
--
lojbab loj...@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
Mark S.
They just don't consider him the Messiah.
"Doc Tavish" <rhc-tavish@tavish-central> wrote in message
news:219lg1p54nj7leh5m...@4ax.com...
tim gueguen
"Doc Tavish" <rhc-tavish@tavish-central> wrote in message
news:219lg1p54nj7leh5m...@4ax.com...
> by
> Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and
> prosecuted
> just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a
> sin
> against God
So lieing isn't a sin? Guess you forgot how the 10 Commandments call
bearing false witness a sin. And what is Holocaust Denial from many who
practice it? A lie of course. They know the Holocaust happened and are
glad it happened, but realise the usefulness of claiming it didn't when it
comes to warping the ignorant to their cause.
tim gueguen 101867
Kurt Knoll
what part is true and what part is not. Knowing all the facts should guide
you who is telling the truth or fabrications.
Kurt Knoll.
"tim gueguen" <tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:RzMOe.2827$Hk.170@pd7tw1no...
Doc Tavish
<tgue...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>"Doc Tavish" <rhc-tavish@tavish-central> wrote in message
>news:219lg1p54nj7leh5m...@4ax.com...
>> Foreword: If "Holocaust Denial" is abysmal then what about "Christ Denial"
>> by Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and
>> prosecuted just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a
>> sin against God
>
>So lieing isn't a sin? Guess you forgot how the 10 Commandments call
>bearing false witness a sin.
Which is what the filth you side with did against me in a civil court!!! Care to
deny it you hypocrite!?
Exodus 20:1-17 :: New International Version (NIV)
The Ten Commandments
1 And God spoke all these words:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of
slavery.
3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven
above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down
to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing
the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of
those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who
love me and keep my commandments.
7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not
hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and
do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On
it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your
manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that
is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the
Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 "Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the
LORD your God is giving you.
13 "You shall not murder.
14 "You shall not commit adultery.
15 "You shall not steal.
16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your
neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything
that belongs to your neighbor."
Perjurers Yale F. Edeiken and Sara D. Salzman broke the Ninth Commandment which
states: "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor"! (Seeing how
I am a Gentile and they are both Jews they naturally don't view me OR any other
Gentile as their "neighbor"!)
Deuteronomy 19:16-19 :: New International Version (NIV)
16 If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse a man of a crime,
17 the two men involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the LORD
before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time.
18 The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to
be a liar, giving false testimony against his brother,
19 then do to him as he intended to do to his brother. You must purge the evil
from among you.
Care to deny two of your favorite Jews bore false witness against me?
~~Sara Salzman's "CPS" Affidavit Perjury Documented~~
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ddf877bf49b153c2?fwc=1
Subject: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality Revealed.
Message-ID: <o3vfe1tnijjcpqq44...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jul 2005 22:18:07 GMT
Sara Salzman's poor damage control and diversion countered with:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6ffc6ccf93e09d37?fwc=1
Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality
Revealed.
Message-ID: <9qphe1ttfrdjeu9hs...@4ax.com>
References: <o3vfe1tnijjcpqq44...@4ax.com>
<catamont-18678C...@news.giganews.com>
Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:18:58 GMT
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Perjury is also a criminal offense which makes Sara a criminal by definition!
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Overview of noun perjurer
The noun perjurer has 1 sense (no senses from tagged texts)
perjurer, false witness -- (a person who deliberately gives false testimony)
Coordinate Terms (sisters) of noun perjurer
storyteller, fibber, fabricator -- (someone who tells lies)
liar, prevaricator -- (a person who has lied or who lies repeatedly)
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Also Sara perjured herself with other false swearings:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/3b72f880c1b7eee4
(Archived locally as: SDSmasterPoem7)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/3b72f880c1b7eee4?dmode=source
(Archived locally as: SDSmasterPoem8)
Subject: Sara Salzman's S&M Bondage-Torture Fantasies Result in Perjury!...
Message-ID: <3rjn01ltdsm4lh74f...@4ax.com>
Date: 10 Feb 2005 23:16:32 GMT
------------------------------
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/059391fa55b74c0b
Subject: Derek Bell Proves Sara Salzman to be Both a Liar and a Perjurer..
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:33:20 -0600
Message-ID: <e58121h7stsg1q6al...@4ax.com>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.history.what-if/msg/bb5199018d2a99bc
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations V2-2 Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:49:00 -0500
Message-ID: <7faub15n5pmv10mtk...@4ax.com>
>And what is Holocaust Denial from many who practice it? A lie of course.
It isn't a lie if they believe what they say is it? What about Christ Denial
which is what the devils engage in who pull your strings?
>They know the Holocaust happened and are glad it happened, but realise the
>usefulness of claiming it didn't when it comes to warping the ignorant to their cause.
Your reply still does not refute the anti-Christic Christ Denial Ken McVay and
his Masters engage in!!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/acf248f27b96a6a7
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay (As Well as Nizkor Supporters)
Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny
the Messiah V3-0 T_0803
Message-ID: <99v2f1dno3u6d48mu...@4ax.com>
Date: 4 Aug 2005 02:56:37 GMT
Why is it most of the people who call people "Holocaust Deniers" and "Nazi
Apologists" are Blasphemous Christ Deniers and Communist Apologists? Has anyone
else noticed this important coincidence?
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ALSO FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
~~Karl Marx Beanbag Doll~~
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[Picture Image] <<The picture links still work!! Tavish comment>>
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
View Larger Image
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif 11"
Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
Judaica Giftware:Dolls
JDC # Format Price
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
63536 $12.95 [Add to Cart Icon]
--------END---------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine the outrage by Jews if some Christian bookstore were to sell little
Adolf Hitler dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of
Nazism will keep you company while you study."
(Special Note May 29, 2005: The link has been pulled on the Marx Doll and now
the link returns with "No such entry exists." which is the reason why I locally
archive such stuff! Anyone wanting the defunct web page viewable offline
complete with images need only make the request and I will post it to
alt.binaries)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As of 2:22am CSDST August 10, 2005 the GOOGLE Web Search still gives returns on
the "Karl Marx Beanbag Doll"
http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Karl+Marx+Beanbag+Doll%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&as_qdr=all&filter=0
(Use this link if the above link gets fouled: http://tinyurl.com/86qzo )
(Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll_GOOGLE-Search)
Web Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "Karl Marx Beanbag Doll".
Sample results and their cached pages:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:Og1jsSQzRvIJ:www.judaism.com/display.asp%3Fetn%3DGDFDG++%22Karl+Marx+Beanbag+Doll%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Use this link if the above link gets fouled: http://tinyurl.com/7rya5 )
(Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll_GOOGLE-Cache_1)
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:O91I7oTN5oUJ:www.judaism.com/display.asp%3Ffp%3D635%26sp%3D36++%22Karl+Marx+Beanbag+Doll%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Use this link if the above link gets fouled: http://tinyurl.com/afzv8 )
(Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll_GOOGLE-Cache_2)
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No telling how long those caches will remain so verify now! I did locally
archive the two cached GOOGLE searches as well as the original web page which I
can post to <alt.binaries> upon request as off line viewable web documents
complete with all graphics. Tavish
>tim gueguen 101867
Doc Tavish
Jews and their Gentile dupes? Should "Christ Denial" be litigated and prosecuted
just as "Holocaust Denial" is in many lands? "Holocaust Denial" is not a sin
by scripture.
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6a0c892eecb850b6?fwc=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V6.0 T_0928
Message-ID: <faskj15cfr2cca9hn...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Sep 2005 10:33:37 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
"Holocaust Denial" and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6
Excerpt
[...]
[...]
<END>
<END>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/3f69fd5466002fcd?fwc=1
Subject: B'nai Brith Allies Itself With Communist David Lethbridge Against
America, Capitalism, and Christianity V3.0 T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:54:57 -0500
Message-ID: <4elnj15f6o76v4pla...@4ax.com>
Excerpt
Web site:
<END>
[...]
<END of Excerpt>
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/367f84af799e0471
Excerpt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6a0c892eecb850b6?fwc=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in Addition to
Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism V6.0 T_0928
Message-ID: <faskj15cfr2cca9hn...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Sep 2005 10:33:37 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
"Holocaust Denial" and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ed596bea483952b6
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <4plub1hmr6bnr2mpl...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:00:38 GMT
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ab79c66f06f79e8f
Subject: Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian
Ethnocide (Another Jewish Holocaust Against Others Ignored) V2.0 T_0801
Message-ID: <ajkse15e3ii4tam7h...@4ax.com>
Date: 1 Aug 2005 16:59:18 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e32da62bb6683d0c
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33 (Classic Vintage Repost)
V2.0 T_0822 Message-ID: <trokg19tinkb9aju3...@4ax.com>
Date: 22 Aug 2005 23:48:31 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a7c4e4c01ddfdb7b
Subject: "Holocaust" History -- Have you ever wondered why Ukrainians
volunteered for guard duty? T_0202
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:53:02 -0600
Message-ID: <nv3201hfkij06mroe...@4ax.com>
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Founders of "Sovietism" aka the Communist Totalitarian State:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/577351743cb33adf
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-5
Message-ID: <tarif15bfg5rr03vm...@4ax.com>
Date: 10 Aug 2005 03:26:18 GMT
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Who was spreading "Sovietism" to Europe:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ff8d0e8a55137708
Subject: A Munich Soviet Established by Jews Before Nazism's Rise V3-0 T_0625
Message-ID: <6enub1tt0b5865men...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2005 02:10:28 GMT
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Who were generally regarded as "Soviets":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/38001f94283e1e63
Subject: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven by BOOLEAN Operands (Classic
Repost from 3-31-2000) Abridged Version R_0516
Message-ID: <ek19cv4ei9cf2nrvu...@4ax.com>
Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT
EXCERPT:
Lucy S. Dawidowicz
THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS 1933-1945
by Bantam Books Incorporated (#13084-6, 1979 ed).
The book's "Acknowledgments" starts with: "This book had its genesis in a
course I developed at the suggestion of Rabbi David Mirsky, Dean of Stern
College for Women, Yeshiva University [New York, New York 10033-3201 -- I added
the address- it was not in the original text. Tavish]. ...I am indebted to the
Yivo Institute for Jewish Research, the Blaustein Library of the American Jewish
Committee..."
On page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices of the
Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians and activating their accumulated hatred
for the Soviets, the Germans harnessed the violent energies of these willing
collaborates to round up and kill Jews."
-> I now ask- How could the people named above have been anti-Semitic towards
the Soviets if they weren't Jews? The Ukrainians as well as others knew who
wrought the communist menace on their Motherland and it was Jews!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/87d1cf751ad2de2a
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/38a34215c6be9542
Subject: If Communism Was/Is so Oppressive to Jews then Why Don't Jews Treat it
the Same as They Do Nazism? V4-0 UPDATED LINKS T_0630
Message-ID: <7iu6c19hjdu4t3itg...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jun 2005 05:12:31 GMT
It is no secret that Jews are the founders of the communist ideology and the
first totalitarian state!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/577351743cb33adf
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-5
Message-ID: <tarif15bfg5rr03vm...@4ax.com>
Date: 10 Aug 2005 03:26:18 GMT
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/5f236d361634c200
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/2b766e113b358b64
Subject: Sara Salzman Admitting She is an Anti-Christ by Her Non-Reply? Still
No Response! T_0803 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 15:42:24 -0500
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We finally got Sara Salzman to admit she denies Jesus is the Christ or Messiah
who came in the flesh on August 5, 2005. In the following archive are examples
of the Daughter of the Father of Lies devilish lies she has been caught in:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/74d17effed6ddec
Subject: Sara Salzman's Recent Lies Documented and Archived. V2.0 T_0807
Message-ID: <9sedf1tc6173cb8ko...@4ax.com>
Date: 8 Aug 2005 02:04:13 GMT
Here is staunch Nizkor supporter Patrick Lee Humphrey and his Anti-Christism:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/f9ac4c8dfebe7f32
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer01)
Sender: pat...@eris.io.com
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ or eternal hell fire.
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Message-ID: <szkbsfn...@eris.io.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:14:31 GMT
shi...@yahoo.com (Ruth Muraya) writes:
>please avoid using foul language when addressing issues relating to
>Jesus Christ else you will surely DIE!!!!.
We all have to face that eventually...why don't you let your alleged savior
speak for himself?
--PLH, I found Jesus! He was buried under the dustbunnies back of the couch
<END>
http://groups.google.com/group/ok.general/msg/9fd9722c6ea8e772
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer02)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: JESUS IS LORD
Date: 1999/07/05
Message-ID: <szkr9mm...@eris.io.com>
Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
>"Patrick L. Humphrey" wrote:
[...]
>... I am an independent Christian who Loves Jesus Christ with all my heart
>mind soul and strength. That is the greatest commandment. Your persecution
>doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing something right. And no I wont
>take it to a religious newsgroups. If you can worship satan here I can worship
>Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand up and say WE are not going to
>take it off of satan anymore! I will continue to worship my Lord and Saviour
>Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus before its too late!
You can worship Tinky Winky, for all I care -- but this is Usenet, and idiots
like you don't have a _right_ to clog this newsgroup with your crap, no matter
what you think your alleged deity tells you...
~~End of GOOGLE Excerpt~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.abortion/msg/bc6c43ccb4622044
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
http://groups.google.com/group/utexas.general/msg/b3b6da4999f71738
(Archived locally as: PatrickBlasphemer04)
From: pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Jesus and homosexuals (was Re: Gays v. Boy Scouts of America)
Date: 1998/03/09
Message-ID: <szken0b...@bermuda.io.com>
"Actually, the way I look at it, if this Jesus fellow died for
our sins, why make his death meaningless by not committing a few of 'em? ;-)
--PLH, just helping some of the more devout churchfolks out"
<END>
The real agenda of the Zionists, Communists, and Talmudic Neo-Pharisees:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ae970b4f2d934e0d
Subject: Anti-Christ Lubavitcher Jews Prophesy Non-Jews Being in Servitude to
Jews V3.0 T_0801
Message-ID: <bnkte15rvk07iiepm...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Aug 2005 02:11:12 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/4a48d7e196743f00
Subject: Insights to Geula - Lech Lecha -- Gentiles to be Slaves When "Jewish
Messiah" Arrives? V3.0 T_0801
Message-ID: <28kte19oir138edvj...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Aug 2005 01:55:50 GMT
Tavish
ALSO FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
http://www.judaism.com/display.asp?nt=aabH&etn=GDFDG
(Link active February 27, 2005. Archived locally as: JewMarxDoll)
America's Jewish Bookstore
Giftware - Dolls
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[Picture Image]
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
View Larger Image
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif 11"
Karl Marx Beanbag Doll
Little Thinkers Beanbag Doll
Ages 5 & up What a revolutionary idea! Karl Marx is such a doll! The German
scholar and originator of the fundamental theory of communism will keep you
company while you study. He comes with a brief biographical information tag.
Filled with soft stuffing and HDPE pellets.
Publisher: The Unemployed Philosophers Guild
Related Categories:
Judaica Giftware:Dolls
JDC # Format Price
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63536 $12.95 [Add to Cart Icon]
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Imagine the outrage by Jews if some Christian bookstore were to sell little
Adolf Hitler dolls claiming: "The German originator of the fundamental theory of
Nazism will keep you company while you study."
(Special Note May 29, 2005: The link has been pulled on the Marx Doll and now
the link returns with "No such entry exists." which is the reason why I locally
archive such stuff! Anyone wanting the defunct web page viewable offline
complete with all graphics etc. need only make the request and I will post it to
alt.binaries as either a RAR file or a ZIP file-- your choice!)
->SPECIAL NOTE August 3, 2005: Those picture links given above describing the
Marx Doll are still active thus confirming the doll had in fact existed!
Everyone check out those two links to see before they get pulled as well!
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536.gif
http://www.judaism.com/gif-bk/63536a.gif
(Archived locally as: 63536 and 63536a)
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