Where Did Hitler Find the "6 Million" ?

8Man

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Oct 12, 2003, 10:56:53 PM10/12/03

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The Iron Curtain Over America by Lt. Col. John Beaty (1952, Wilkinson
Publishing Co.),
Chapter 6, THE FOREIGN POLICY OF THE TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION, pg. 134:

...This compensation was said to be for 6,000,000 Jews killed by Hitler.
This figure has been used repeatedly (as late as January, 1952 -- "Israeli"
broadcast heard by the author), but one who consults statistics and ponders
the known facts of recent history cannot do other than wonder how it is
arrived at. According to Appendix VII, "Statistics on Religious
Affiliation," of The Immigration and Naturalization Systems of the United
States (A Report of the Committee on the Judiciary of the United States
Senate, 1950), the number of Jews in the world is 15,713,638. The World
Almanac, 1949, p. 289, is cited as the source of the statistical table
reproduced on p. 842 of the government document. The article in the World
Almanac is headed "Religious Population of the World." A corresponding item,
with the title, "Population, Worldwide, by Religious Beliefs" is found in
the World Almanac for 1940 (p. 129), and in it the world Jewish population
is given as 15,319,359. If the World Almanac figures are correct, the
world's Jewish population did not decrease in the war decade, but showed a
small increase.

Assuming, however, that the figures of the U.S. document and the World
Almanac are in error, let us make an examination of the known facts. In the
first place, the number of Jews in Germany in 1939 was about 600,000 -- by
some estimates considerably fewer -- and of these, as shown elsewhere in
this book, many came to the United States, some went to Palestine, and some
are still in Germany. As to the Jews in Eastern European lands temporarily
overrun by Hitler's troops, the great majority retreated ahead of the German
armies into Soviet Russia. Of these, many came later to the U.S., some moved
to Palestine, some unquestionably remained in Soviet Russia and may be a
part of the Jewish force on the Iranian frontier, and enough remained in
Eastern Europe or have returned from Soviet Russia to form the hard core of
the new ruling bureaucracy in satellite countries (Chapter II ).

It is hard to see how all these migrations and all these power
accomplishments can have come about with a Jewish population much less than
that which existed in Eastern Europe before World War II. Thus the known
facts on Jewish migration and Jewish power in Eastern Europe tend, like the
World Almanac figures accepted by the Senate Judiciary Committee, to raise a
question as to where Hitler got the 6,000,000 Jews he is said to have
killed. This question should be settled once and for all before the United
States backs any "Israeli" claims against Germany. In this connection, it is
well to recall also that the average German had no more to do with Hitler's
policies; than the average American had to do with Franklin Roosevelt's
policies; that 5,000,000 Germans are unaccounted for -- 4,000,000 civilians
(pp. 70, 71, above) and 1,000,000 soldiers who never returned from Soviet
labor camps (p. 137); and that a permanent hostile attitude toward Germany
on our part is the highest hope of the Communist masters of Russia.

And then there's this:

According to the World Almanac & Book of Facts, there was a loss of almost 5
million Jews between 1988 and 1994:

Year North America South America Europe Rest of World World Source
1988 8.08 0.99 1.48 7.53 18.08 World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989
1994 5.9 0.5 1.8 5.3 13.5 World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1995

Possibly there was a whole lot of name changing going on?

It seems the Jewish leadership has this fixation on the number 6. (666
anyone?) They also lie like dogs.

Jewish population of Europe in 1939 - 6,013,000

Poland .........3,300,000
Romania .......850,000
Hungary ...... 404,000
Czechoslavakia .. 305,000
France ........ 300,000
Germany ...... 210,000
Holland ...... 150,000
Others ........ 500,000
Total ........6,013,000

According to the Jews - ... Hitler killed 99.99% of all jews within reach.
This is total nonsense !!

The real count of dead jews from 1939 - 1945 was 525,000. (Some say 375,000)

544,500 dead jews in entire war

World famous Nordling study at
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p195_Nordling.html

There was no holocaust. Jews died of typhus and starvation. He notes that
millions were supposed to have died in Poland. But the biggest "death" camp
was Auschwitz and meticulous records were kept of the comings and goings of
people, what they died of, and their ethnicity. A total of 74,000 died of
which 38,000 were Jews.

All total, about a half million people total died at all the camps. There
were no gas chambers. People died of disease and starvation as food supplies
dwindled towards the end of the war. The Red Cross inspected the camps after
they were liberated and they didn't find millions of bodies or gas chambers.

Any explanation for the drastic population drops mentioned?

As it says on an Israeli website:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/QA.jhtml?qaNo=41

Quote:
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...The Jewish people today is divided, essentially, in three parts. A third
live in Israel. A third live in the U.S. and the rest of the diaspora. And a
third are dead because they were killed in the Holocaust.
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There you have it. One third of the Jewish people are dead.

KingTUT

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"8Man" <us...@isp.com> wrote in message news:<3f8a18bb$0$16180$2c56...@news.cablerocket.com>...

Im just going to comment on the following part:

> 544,500 dead jews in entire war
>
> World famous Nordling study at
> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p195_Nordling.html
>
> There was no holocaust. Jews died of typhus and starvation. He notes that
> millions were supposed to have died in Poland. But the biggest "death" camp
> was Auschwitz and meticulous records were kept of the comings and goings of
> people, what they died of, and their ethnicity. A total of 74,000 died of
> which 38,000 were Jews.
>
> All total, about a half million people total died at all the camps. There
> were no gas chambers. People died of disease and starvation as food supplies
> dwindled towards the end of the war. The Red Cross inspected the camps after
> they were liberated and they didn't find millions of bodies or gas chambers.

<snip>

Nordling has done two papers for IHR. One was called "How many Jews
Died in the German concentration Camps? "
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html
and the other "The Jewish Establishment under Nazi-Threat and
Domination 1938-1945." (linked above)

I've read both, and Im just gonna comment on the "Nordling" part:

Nordling is a retired Swedish architect. In his text he uses a sample,
or selection, not made for what he is trying to do, but made by the
editorial staff of the Encyklopedia Judaica. There is no way to know
from Nordlings paper how and on what grounds this particular sample
was made.
Nordling then takes his own sample out of this sample. He gives us no
clue as how and why and based on what criteria this sample of the
sample is made. He writes that he excludes Jews from the Sovietunion
and the Baltics because he cant really tell if it was the Soviets or
the Nazis who killed them, and "Two Norwegian and three Greek Jews
were excluded as being too few to represent any "Establishment" of
their respective countries.". Now, how large is this "Establishment"
in these countries? And what does Nordling claim constitues "The
Establishment"? Nobody knows.
(In his other text he uses this sample of a sample as being
representative of the entire population, that is, not just "The
Establishment".). So what is he in fact measuring? The fate of the
well-known Jews or the entire European Population? Nobody knows.

Moving on. In his paper Nordling for example uses 9 name-given belgian
Jews, who therefore is in Nordlings view representative of the entire
Belgian population. 9 Jews... And how large was the entire population
in Belgium at the time? Well there is no way of telling from just
reading Nordlings text. Which one should if it was to have any bearing
whatsoever.

Moving on. "Within the limitations mentioned, altogether 722 Jews were
found to satisfy the requirements, distributed according to last
country of voluntarily chosen residence"

What "requirements"? (Apart from coming from one of the
not-for-some-reason-excluded countries Nordling lists) If you do not
have that information, you have no way of knowing how this sample was
made. Nordling then moves on following the fate of these 722 Jews
during the war.
First he draws the conclusion (on what basis nobody knows) that 317
persons emigrated or fled their countries. These therefore wasn't even
subject to a possible extermination. He doesn't try to sort out why
the rest of the 722 stayed. Did they have a choice or were they forced
to? Nordling speculates in his other paper that it might have
something to do with them being old and not so willing to move. But
Nordling shows no interest in finding out for real.

After this he (without showing how) draws the conclusion that 256 out
of these "were fortunate enough to escape seizure by the SS, the
Gestapo, the Arrow Cross and like organizations."
How they managed not being captured or were they went he doesn't tell.
Among these 256 Jews were also polish Jews who "lived in Ghettos
during the war". Which Ghettos? Then he moves on and claims (without
showing any sources whatsoever) that 88 died before 1945 and that 168
survived the war.

Ok, 88 died out of the group of 256. Then there is the group of 149
(722-317-256). Nordling tells us "17 of the captured Jews (11%) were
released (or escaped) to freedom". Nordling does not really tell
anything how this happened. Did they escape? Were they released? And
how? Nobody knows.

132 captives left then. What happend to them? Nordling doesn't know:

"18 were murdered or executed without previous imprisonment of any
kind
18 were detained in custody or in POW camps -- some of them released
before the end of the war without subsequent emigration."

"some of them released"? Whats that supposed to mean? A few? How many?
But out of these "some" he claims 5 died in captivity. 106+5=111
killed. 96 were taken to concentrationcamps of some sort. 4 of them
died in Theresienstadt. Yet another 11 died in:

"identified camps in Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands".
Who these were we do not know. Nordling does not tell.

Finally Nordling presents the ones sent to Auschwitz, to "camps in
Poland" or to "destinations unknown, in total 61 person. 4 survived,
57 died or "disappeared". What was a "destination unknown"?
Disappeared where?

According to Nordling 183 persons died out of his 722 sample. From
this the following conclusion can be made; that if we somehow accept
that Nordlings two texts has any scientific value whatsoever, and that
his facts are indeed facts (which is impossible to say, since he shows
no sources), 222 of the 405 who were in actual risk of being
exterminated, survived. That leaves 183 dead. That would meant a
deathtoll of about 45%. Lets just for fun use this percentage of the
amount of Jews the Nazis used in their papers at the Wannsee
conference, using the same logic Nordling does in the other of his
text, that the sample is representative of the entire population. 45%
out of 11 million= 4,95 million. Not that far from the 6 million
figure I would say. Definately closer than any revisionist would like
it. This excersise of numbers is however as without value as is
Nordlings.

Sidenote: The Hompage of Nordling: http://home.swipnet.se/nordling/