Ghostbusting in Ukraine -- Inordinate Role Jews Had in Ukrainian Ethnocide (Another Jewish Holocaust Against Others Ignored) V2.0 T_0801
Doc Tavish
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http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/1996/219621.shtml
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"Let the chips fall where they may. The inordinate role played by Jews in
bringing Bolshevism to power is certainly a topic worthy of further
exploration."
FACES AND PLACES
by Myron B. Kuropas
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Ghostbusting in Ukraine
A funny thing. No sooner does my commentary on Communist ghosts appear in The
Ukrainian Weekly than Ukraine responds.
Any connection? In your dreams, Kuropas.
But it's reassuring to learn that 68 democrats in Ukraine's Parliament have
neither forgiven nor forgotten the ethnocide perpetrated by the Bolsheviks
against the Ukrainian people.
Led by Lev Lukianenko, Yevhen Proniuk and Les Taniuk, the 68 parliamentarians
have established Nuremberg II. The purpose, reports Chrystyna Lapychak in a May
6 story carried by the service UNIAR press, is to organize a symbolic
international trial on crimes committed by the former Communist Party of the
Soviet Union and the Communist Party of Ukraine. "The legislators plan to use
the caucus to collect evidence, hold public hearings and conferences, and
maintain links with parliaments of other former Soviet republics," reads the
release.
It's a brilliant move. Since it's probably unrealistic to assume that, given the
present dominance of the Communist nomenklatura, Ukraine will soon, if ever,
bring anyone to trial, it is at least possible to document Ukraine's Bolshevik
barbarism.
Ukraine needs to authenticate these historical antecedents in some formal way.
The recent past needs to be recorded in its entirety for three major reasons:
1) to expose the bestial Bolshevik abominations in all their horror in the hope
that they will never be repeated (communism won't go away unless a silver spike
is driven through its wretched heart);
2) academics, both in Ukraine and elsewhere, seem to be shying away from writing
the truth about Ukraine's Bolshevik past;
3) Ukraine can no longer pretend that what transpired between 1920 and 1991 was
a mere aberration in a long history. It wasn't. Before Ukraine can be whole
again, past realities, as painful as they may be, must be addressed.
We in North America can assist Ukraine's ghostbusters in a number of ways. Dr.
Lev Dobriansky's proposal to establish a Holocaust-type museum that could serve
as a reminder of Communist malevolence is an idea worthy of our support...
Publications in the English language are another way we in North America can
help. There are countless areas that could use the light of truth. We could
begin with the story behind the Russian Bolshevik invasion of Ukraine, its
forced incorporation into the USSR, and the subsequent annihilation of hundreds
of Ukraine's own nationally oriented Bolsheviks as well as thousands of
scholars, editors, teachers and others whose loyalty to Ukraine superseded
loyalty to Lenin and Stalin.
Let the chips fall where they may. The inordinate role played by Jews in
bringing Bolshevism to power is certainly a topic worthy of further exploration.
Another aspect of this early Bolshevik period was the total destruction of the
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church, which resulted in Siberian exile or
death for thousands of priests and prelates. This history has yet to be written.
The famine, of course, also requires further research. Yes, there already are
excellent publications on the famine, but we need more. There are hundreds of
books on the Jewish Holocaust. There should also be hundreds of books on the
Ukrainian famine, a malefaction that has no equal in world history.
There are some excellent books on the killing fields of Vinnytsia as well, but
more documentation is required. We know that in 1943, approximately 9,000 Soviet
citizens were found buried in mass graves in the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia. It
was later established that they were executed by the Bolsheviks during the years
1937 and 1938. Significantly, none of the persons killed had been sentenced to
death. "In cases where an official conviction could be linked to a victim,"
writes Ihor Kamenetsky in "The Tragedy of Vinnytsia," "either through
documentary evidence or on the basis of the testimony by relatives, the maximum
sentence was a term of 10 years' confinement in a labor camp with the denial of
the right to correspondence."
There is also testimony available regarding Soviet butchery of Ukrainian
nationalists as the Germans were approaching the city of Lviv in June of 1941.
Unable to evacuate the thousands of prisoners incarcerated following the Soviet
occupation of Galicia, thousands of Ukrainians were simply massacred in their
cells.
The destruction of the Ukrainian Catholic Church by Soviet authorities and the
murder and deportation of thousands of Ukrainian clergy and laity is still
another subject requiring more research. Members of the underground Church are
still alive and could provide excellent testimony.
There are other crimes, some hardly known or mentioned, that need to be exposed
by Nuremberg II and by others. We can't pretend that Bolshevism was one, big,
misguided but well-intentioned error. 'Mistakes" were made, we are told by
devotees of socialism, but the goal was an honorable one. This is the kind of
spin the Left in America is already putting on the collapse of the Soviet Union.
In an article titled "Socialism Would Strengthen the Republic's Economies," for
example, Mike Davidow argues that it was not socialism that destroyed the Soviet
empire but "retrogression," which was largely the result of "ideological
disorientation." Socialism in the USSR "constituted a higher state in the
progress of mankind," he writes. Mr. Davidow mourns the Soviet demise because
the Bolsheviks played "a progressive role on the world scene for seven decades"
and had "a positive influence on social development." Mr. Davidow and others
like him are one more reason for setting the record straight.
Once again our community has an obligation to remind the world that no people,
not even the Jews, suffered more during the 20th century than the Ukrainians....
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More on Bolshevism and the Jewish role in slaughtering Ukrainians etc.
http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~german/discuss/goldhagen/wagner.html
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Hitler's Willing Executioners, Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, by Daniel
Jonah Goldhagen, NY: Alfred A. Knopf, 1996
by: Roland M. Wagner Ph.D., San Jose State University. June 23, 1996
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Understanding Goldhagen: his moral agenda
[...]
While Goldhagen is certainly correct that the Nazi propaganda ministry demonized
the Jews, he is overlooking a factor of great importance by dismissing
everything as being a mere "hallucination." Propaganda becomes especially potent
when it builds on elements of truth. The Nazis were able to capitalize on the
fact that many Jews did play important roles in the Communist leadership, and
Jews comprised a disproportionate number of the local party officialdom in the
Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, and other areas. Peter Lawrence, in his article "Why
Lithuania?" points out that in Byelosrussia the Jews comprised about 8 percent
of the population, and while only 6.2 percent were members of the Communist
party they comprised 23.2 percent of Party Committees at the district level.
Nazi estimates for the Soviet Union (cited on p. 49 in The Einsatzgruppen
Reports edited by Yitzhak Arad et al , 1989), were that the Jews comprised 1.77%
of the general population, 5.2% of the Communist party membership, 25.7% of the
party's Central Committee, and 36.8% of the Politburo, with the latter
percentage rising to 42.9% by the end of Lenin's era. In other words, Jews had
greater public visibility within the Communist bureaucracy, greatly exceeding
their percentage of the population....
Compounding the deadly intensity of this image, the Germans and the peoples of
Eastern Europe were well aware that the Soviet government had launched ruthless
pogroms of genocidal proportion against various ethnic groups in the Soviet
Union. World concern was aroused during the 1920s and 1930s when millions of
Ukrainians and Volksdeutsch died as a result of the deliberate Soviet policy to
exterminate these ethnic groups through mass starvation. The Ukrainians
initially hailed the German troops as liberators who would remove the Bolshevik
yoke from their backs. Nazi propaganda was relentless in its message: either
victory, or total slavery under the Jewish Bolsheviks.
While Goldhagen acknowledges on p. 393 the link drawn by the Nazi propagandists
between Bolshevism and World Zionism, he fails to emphasize the crucial
importance of this belief. Rather than focusing on how German fears were aroused
by rampant Communism in the east (an historically specific, "situational"
factor), he prefers to focus on the deep, long-term historical roots of
hallucinatory anti-Semitism, to which he devotes an entire section of his
book....
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Also see:
Jewish led "Soviets" had a Holocaust against 7,000,000 Gentile Ukrainians as
documented in these archives:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e2f730128d43d361
Subject: HOLODOMOR The Forgiven Holocaust of 1932-33...
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:36:46 -0600
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Subject: Goldhagen Vs Dawidowicz -- Anti-Semitism of Ukrainians Etc. Toward
Soviets Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:35:02 -0500
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e364b24e60b8c04d
Subject: V3.0f Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism V2-0
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 21:34:42 -0500
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Subject: Soviets (Communists) Were Jews as Proven by BOOLEAN Operands (Classic
Repost from 3-31-2000) Abridged Version R_0516
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Date: 16 May 2003 06:36:09 GMT
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On 8-Nov-1999, "pgroff" <pgr...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Tavish <doc_tav...@NOSPAMdanetwork.com> wrote in message
> news:805dni$4...@news1.newsguy.com...
> > Doc Tavish wrote:
> > From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
> > Bantam #13084-6 says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
> > anti-Semitic prejudices of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
> > and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
> > harnessed the violent energies of these willing collaborates to round
> > up and kill Jews."
:
> Well shitmaster, doc tavish, scott bradbury, or what ever name you use,
Making personal attack and name calling won't win your arguments. This
seems to be all you liberally oriented people seem to do when faced with
cold hard factual truths.
> read it again. " Eploiting the superstitious anti-Semitic prejudices(that one) of
> the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians "AND" (quotes and caps mine)
> activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets,(thats two)[...]
> Thus logically you haven't proven your argument. You did attempt to twist
> the argument to suit your answer, but again you let your sock puppet do your
> reading.
By BOOLEAN logic Soviets were Jews. For Soviets to NOT be Jews the
expression or operative known as the NOT AND or NAND function in some
form would have to have been used instead of your own acknowledged use
of the AND expression. Touche' you lose!
If believing what you believe makes you feel secure then more power to you
but I still ask how could the above named people have been anti-Semitic
toward Soviets if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews?
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/57c83fe5e5f42083
Subject: Propaganda Arm for Stalinist Soviet Union - The Jewish Antifascist
Committee (From U.S. Gov't & UCLA Archives - The Soviet Exhibit)" S_0110
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:59:43 -0600
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Jewess Susan Cohen on the origins and aspects of Anti-Christic Communism
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"I do not deny that Jews were involved in establishing the Communist regime..
[A]s you are doubtless too stupid to realize, communism in its pure form is
not the evil that Stalin and his successors made it. Jews are taught to uphold
the downtrodden, and that's how communism came about." Susan Cohen
January 19, 2001 (Susan is saying communism was GOOD before Stalin!)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e9069e5ff23db8af
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"I have always said that Jews were involved with the origins of Russian
communism. And I have also always said that by the time Communism got
repressive and evil..." Susan Cohen
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/48d7c2c3d24ccfb7
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:27:14 -0500
From: Susan Cohen <fla...@his.com>
Subject: Re: Scotty Makes Susan Cohen's Points for her WAS (nonsense drooled
by Scotty Bradbury)
Message-ID: <3A6D1630...@his.com>
<<But Susan-- communism was repressive and evil from the beginning!>>
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>I ask-- why do we never see Jews criticize the communism
>which existed before Stalin took control?
"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c64e1306efddbf1c
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Tavish
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/d872ba879eb31358
Subject: Sara Salzman- A Communist Subversive and Operative and What About
NIZKOR and B'nai Brith? You All Judge for Yourselves! aka Re: Sara digs a hole.
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Date: 27 Jul 2005 02:07:54 GMT
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