JESUS IS LORD
Michael A. Clem
Bln246 wrote:
> Jesus Christ wants to come into your life. Only He can be your true
> satisfaction. The Bible says that "God so loved this world (all of us) He gave
> His only Son (Jesus) that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have
> eternal life." To believe in Jesus is to believe that He is The Son of God and
> to give yourself to Him completely. Read the Bible and pray daily. This is
> the only way to overcome evil. Remember there is a Heaven to gain and A REAL
> HELL TO AVOID. WE WILL LIVE FOREVER SOMEWHERE. ONLY THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF
> JESUS CAN CLEANSE AWAY SIN. May The Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, The Love
> of God and The Fellowship of The Holy Spirit be with you.
1100 times, eh? For shame!
Yes, the Bible does say that (John 3:16), but the National Enquirer says that
Elvis is alive and well and living in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Why should I believe
the Bible over the National Enquirer?
Yes, Christianity says that we are born into sin (BORN into it!) and only Jesus
can save us from it. What a terrible message to give to Jews, Hindus, Buddhists,
etc.
--Mike Clem
When they lose their sense of awe, people turn to religion.
When they no longer trust themselves, they begin to depend upon authority.
-Tao Te Ching, English translation by Stephen Mitchell
Valerie Gould
me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on the day of
the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except
>through me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews,
>and Muslims they need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better
>be Jesus. Or on the day of the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to
>Jesus while you still can.
Can you take your crap to a religious newsgroup? If I want to hear
sanctimonious sniveling from one of Oral's mindless drones, I'll drive up
S. Lewis past the campus...
--PLH, "have YOU found GOD?" "what, is he lost *again*?"
Amie or KRC
wrote:
--cut--
>Can you take your crap to a religious newsgroup? If I want to hear
>sanctimonious sniveling from one of Oral's mindless drones, I'll drive up
>S. Lewis past the campus...
>
>--PLH, "have YOU found GOD?" "what, is he lost *again*?"
Reminds me of a story that an attorney friend of mine told me about
encountering a relgious nut at DFW airport. As my friend was making
his way to his flight, the nut accosted him and asked: "Brother, have
you seen the Lord?" My friend replied: "Yeah, he's at gate 28, now
get the hell out of my way."
KRC
Patrick L. Humphrey
>--cut--
Sometimes, you just _have_ to oblige the religious droolers: Dale (the wife)
and I were out with a few friends a few years ago watching the zoo that used
to be Houston's infamous Westheimer Curve one Friday night, and when we were
accosted by one of the little mullahs-in-training passing out some
incomprehensible tracts with the same rote spiel: "Remember, Jesus loves
you!", one friend almost caused him to implode with her reply: "Yeah? Does
he use a condom?"
--Patrick L. "last time I looked, even Jesus had a sense of humor" Humphrey
Amie or KRC
wrote:
>AMIE...@spambegone.prodigy.net (Amie or KRC) writes:
>
>>On 02 Jul 1999 13:13:08 -0500, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>>wrote:
>
>>--cut--
>
>>>Can you take your crap to a religious newsgroup? If I want to hear
>>>sanctimonious sniveling from one of Oral's mindless drones, I'll drive up
>>>S. Lewis past the campus...
>>>
>>>--PLH, "have YOU found GOD?" "what, is he lost *again*?"
>
>> Reminds me of a story that an attorney friend of mine told me about
>>encountering a relgious nut at DFW airport. As my friend was making
>>his way to his flight, the nut accosted him and asked: "Brother, have
>>you seen the Lord?" My friend replied: "Yeah, he's at gate 28, now
>>get the hell out of my way."
>
>Sometimes, you just _have_ to oblige the religious droolers: Dale (the wife)
>and I were out with a few friends a few years ago watching the zoo that used
>to be Houston's infamous Westheimer Curve one Friday night, and when we were
>accosted by one of the little mullahs-in-training passing out some
>incomprehensible tracts with the same rote spiel: "Remember, Jesus loves
>you!", one friend almost caused him to implode with her reply: "Yeah? Does
>he use a condom?"
What's the "Westheimer Curve"? I've never heard that term. Is that
where Westheimer takes that small jog to enter the Montrose area from
the west, or is it where it turns southbound east of Montrose? I know
that area well, as we always hit the Magic Cauldron on Westheimer just
east of Montrose when we're there. I also love the leather-boy mural
on the bar across from Hollywood Video at Westheimer and Montrose.
I've always wanted to photograph it and send it out as a postcard to
my homophobic friends.
We always stay inside the loop (usually at one of the hotels near
Greenway Plaza) when we're down there, and Westheimer, Richmond, and
Alabama between Montrose and the Galleria, as well as West U., are our
normal stomping grounds. My fiance always has to hit a Randall's
Flagship for cheap Sushi (and occasionally Miyako on Kirby if we have
the cash), and we haunt many of the bookstores in the area. Even
though it's part of a chain, I really like the Alabama Book Stop
that's in the old movie theater.
KRC
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <377CA3EB...@ionet.net>...
>Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except
through
>me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and
Muslims they
>need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on
the day of
>the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
>
church and state. I bet it just burns you up that you can't burn those
nasty Buddhists, Jews and Muslims like the "good old days." Take your
preaching to alt.christ or one of the dozens of religious newsgroups.
Amie or KRC
wrote:
>Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except through
>me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
>need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on the day of
>the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
And just what makes you so sure that Jesus is the ONE WAY? So far,
I've seen very little physical proof of any of the folk tales in the
Bible being anything more than that. Just because you believe Jesus
is your savior, which is fine by me, does not negate or supercede the
beliefs of those who do not. Islam is quickly becoming the largest
religion in the world (if it's not already) - what makes them wrong
and you right? I'll tell you what - your belief. Hell, I can believe
the Earth is flat, doesn't make me right. Telling people they're
going to burn in hell because they don't subscribe to YOUR image of
Jesus isn't helping anyone come around to Christianity. For the
record, I am more or less and agnostic with some atheistic tendencies,
so you'll probably think I'm Satan incarnate, anyway - which would be
tough for me to buy as I don't believe in a Satan in the first place,
but that's another arguement. I think Jesus probably did exist, and
whether or not he was the son of God or God in an earthly form, I
don't know. But what I do know is that he had some pretty cool ideas
that the likes of you have perverted over nearly two millenia.
KRC
"If Jesus was to come back today and see all the things going on in
his name - he'd never stop throwing up."
- Max Von Sydow, in Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters"
ta...@xtra.co.nz
(Amie or KRC) wrote:
>On 02 Jul 1999 13:13:08 -0500, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>wrote:
>
>--cut--
>
>>Can you take your crap to a religious newsgroup? If I want to hear
>>sanctimonious sniveling from one of Oral's mindless drones, I'll drive up
>>S. Lewis past the campus...
>>
>>--PLH, "have YOU found GOD?" "what, is he lost *again*?"
>
> Reminds me of a story that an attorney friend of mine told me about
>encountering a relgious nut at DFW airport. As my friend was making
>his way to his flight, the nut accosted him and asked: "Brother, have
>you seen the Lord?" My friend replied: "Yeah, he's at gate 28, now
>get the hell out of my way."
My favorite religious nut story actually happened right in front of
me. My dad was walking with me through Sky Harbor in Phoenix, when a
Moonie approached us. My dad said quietly, "I hate these
guys...watch." The young man approached, offered a flower, and my
father said VERY loudly, "$50 for a BLOWJOB? You have to be kidding!"
*****
"For me eroticism must be ugly, the aesthetic always divine,
and death beautiful." - S. Dali
*****
Jonathan Keepers
I aready been to hell Twice!!! So why should I care whos laughing.
> Or on the day of
> the rapture Who will be laughing last?
The Last Southern Democrate
Jonathan Keepers
Patrick L. Humphrey
>On 02 Jul 1999 15:09:38 -0500, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>wrote:
>>AMIE...@spambegone.prodigy.net (Amie or KRC) writes:
>>>On 02 Jul 1999 13:13:08 -0500, pat...@io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey)
>>>wrote:
>>>--cut--
>>>>Can you take your crap to a religious newsgroup? If I want to hear
>>>>sanctimonious sniveling from one of Oral's mindless drones, I'll drive up
>>>>S. Lewis past the campus...
>>>>--PLH, "have YOU found GOD?" "what, is he lost *again*?"
>>> Reminds me of a story that an attorney friend of mine told me about
>>>encountering a relgious nut at DFW airport. As my friend was making
>>>his way to his flight, the nut accosted him and asked: "Brother, have
>>>you seen the Lord?" My friend replied: "Yeah, he's at gate 28, now
>>>get the hell out of my way."
>>Sometimes, you just _have_ to oblige the religious droolers: Dale (the wife)
>>and I were out with a few friends a few years ago watching the zoo that used
>>to be Houston's infamous Westheimer Curve one Friday night, and when we were
>>accosted by one of the little mullahs-in-training passing out some
>>incomprehensible tracts with the same rote spiel: "Remember, Jesus loves
>>you!", one friend almost caused him to implode with her reply: "Yeah? Does
>>he use a condom?"
> What's the "Westheimer Curve"? I've never heard that term. Is that
>where Westheimer takes that small jog to enter the Montrose area from
>the west, or is it where it turns southbound east of Montrose? I know
>that area well, as we always hit the Magic Cauldron on Westheimer just
>east of Montrose when we're there. I also love the leather-boy mural
>on the bar across from Hollywood Video at Westheimer and Montrose.
The Curve is the five-block stretch of Westheimer that angles west-southwest
from Yoakum out to Mulberry, at which point it turns once more westward.
I don't know what shape the block between Montrose and Yoakum was in last
Saturday night for the Gay Pride parade, because Dale and I never got farther
east than in front of the Wendy's -- which means we didn't get to see the
eight-foot mirrored disco ball hanging over the Westheimer/Montrose
intersection. (It would have been better than the stupid rings hanging over
just about every signaled intersection around the Galleria, the ones that look
like they were ripped off from the set of "Stargate".)
>I've always wanted to photograph it and send it out as a postcard to
>my homophobic friends.
You should get a shot of Mary's, at Westheimer and Waughcrest -- it's always
had an attention-getting paint job of one sort or another since I was
commuting to college through there back in the 1970s. (I got a chuckle out of
one of the summer regulars painted on the mirrored front: "Air Conditioning
-- it's 69 (degree sign) Inside!".)
> We always stay inside the loop (usually at one of the hotels near
>Greenway Plaza) when we're down there, and Westheimer, Richmond, and
>Alabama between Montrose and the Galleria, as well as West U., are our
>normal stomping grounds. My fiance always has to hit a Randall's
>Flagship for cheap Sushi (and occasionally Miyako on Kirby if we have
>the cash), and we haunt many of the bookstores in the area. Even
>though it's part of a chain, I really like the Alabama Book Stop
>that's in the old movie theater.
I guess I'm getting old, but while I don't mind Bookstop being there, I miss
the old Alabama Theater. I was first exposed to The Rocky Horror Picture Show
there back when it was a Saturday night fixture.
(Next time you get down here, let me know -- I'm one of the Networking &
Telecommunications staff down the street at Rice University, so I get to spend
a bit of time in one of the more interesting bits of Baghdad on the Bayou...)
--Patrick L. "and amazingly enough, I'm *still* allowed into Tulsa :-)"
Humphrey
Valerie Gould
Jesus Christ with all my heart mind soul and strength. That is the greatest
commandment. Your persecution doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing
something right. And no I wont take it to a religious newsgroups. If you can
worship satan here I can worship Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand
up and say WE are not going to take it off of satan anymore! I will continue to
worship my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus before
its too late!
"Patrick L. Humphrey" wrote:
> Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
>
> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except
> >through me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews,
> >and Muslims they need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better
> >be Jesus. Or on the day of the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to
> >Jesus while you still can.
>
Valerie Gould
is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man created
the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of the
liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want to.
IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
Bud wrote:
> Valerie Gould wrote in message <377CA3EB...@ionet.net>...
> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except
> through
> >me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and
> Muslims they
> >need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on
> the day of
> >the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
> >
Valerie Gould
follow. i am sorry you worship satan. But Jesus died on the cross for you 2000 years ago.
He is waiting to come into your heart. Jesus loves you with an everlasting love.
The word says Jesus is the way the truth the life no man goes to the father except by
him. And no Jesus is not a sick bastard He is the Son of God! Each time you call him that
or any other such name you are crucifying him afresh daily. I pray right now in Jesus
Holy Name that you come to him and allow him to be the Lord of your life.
Michael, OKC wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 06:35:08 -0500, in <377CA3EB...@ionet.net>,
> Valerie Gould expressed the following:
>
> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except through
> >me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
> >need Jesus.
>
> I am sure they appreciate hearing this as much as you would appreciate them
> telling you that you can only get to heaven if you follow their beliefs.
>
> >YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus.
>
> Doesn't sound to me like you honestly believe that I can worship whoever I
> want. In fact, this sounds more like a threat...
>
> >Or on the day of
> >the rapture Who will be laughing last?
>
> Considering that you capitalized the "W" in who I assume that you mean *your*
> god will be laughing last. Doesn't it disturb you to worship a god who you
> believe will laugh as he sends millions of souls into a lake of fire for all
> eternity? Perhaps not, but to be quite honest the god you worship sounds like
> a sick bastard. Please don't be offended, but I prefer my god to yours...
>
> >Come to Jesus while you still can.
>
> Now Jesus truly is a man to be admired. It's too bad that zealots such as
> yourself have perverted and twisted his teachings to suit your own needs over
> the years.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>"Patrick L. Humphrey" wrote:
>> Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> writes:
>> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except
>> >through me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews,
>> >and Muslims they need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better
>> >be Jesus. Or on the day of the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to
>> >Jesus while you still can.
>> Can you take your crap to a religious newsgroup? If I want to hear
>> sanctimonious sniveling from one of Oral's mindless drones, I'll drive up
>> S. Lewis past the campus...
>> --PLH, "have YOU found GOD?" "what, is he lost *again*?"
>I am not one of Oral's mindless drones I am an independent Christian who Loves
>Jesus Christ with all my heart mind soul and strength. That is the greatest
>commandment. Your persecution doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing
>something right. And no I wont take it to a religious newsgroups. If you can
>worship satan here I can worship Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand
>up and say WE are not going to take it off of satan anymore! I will continue
>to worship my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus
>before its too late!
You can worship Tinky Winky, for all I care -- but this is Usenet, and idiots
like you don't have a _right_ to clog this newsgroup with your crap, no matter
what you think your alleged deity tells you. You have the right to speak --
you DON'T have the right to force anyone else to listen to you. Do you want
to learn the basic details of ionet's AUP from painful experience? Then keep
acting like the quintessential idiot who claims to be "Christian", yet
apparently doesn't give a good goddamn about following that Jesus guy if it
gets in the way of spreading her mental disease.
There are religious newsgroups for your purpose, where you can preach as much
as your tiny little mind can stand. Get thee hence, or you'll only wish you
had to deal with pissed-off users in this newsgroup.
(Incidentally, you also don't show up in my mailbox -- that will guarantee
your ISP gets a definite complaint from here.)
--Patrick L. "Jesus, save me from the morons who claim to follow you!"
Humphrey
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3780E3FD...@ionet.net>...
>I am sorry you feel this way. It is not my beliefs but the word of God that
we must
>follow. i am sorry you worship satan.
It is clear that you are nothing but a "false witness." I suggest you
re-read the Bible because Paul clearly states that those who repeatedly bear
false witness, as you appear to do, will not go to heaven. Before you set
yourself up to judge others, you better get your own spiritual life in order
or you'll be sharing hell with the rest of us.
>
>Michael, OKC wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 06:35:08 -0500, in <377CA3EB...@ionet.net>,
>> Valerie Gould expressed the following:
>>
>> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father
except through
>> >me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and
Muslims they
>> >need Jesus.
>>
>> I am sure they appreciate hearing this as much as you would appreciate
them
>> telling you that you can only get to heaven if you follow their beliefs.
>>
>> >YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus.
>>
>> Doesn't sound to me like you honestly believe that I can worship whoever
I
>> want. In fact, this sounds more like a threat...
>>
>> >Or on the day of
>> >the rapture Who will be laughing last?
>>
>> Considering that you capitalized the "W" in who I assume that you mean
*your*
>> god will be laughing last. Doesn't it disturb you to worship a god who
you
>> believe will laugh as he sends millions of souls into a lake of fire for
all
>> eternity? Perhaps not, but to be quite honest the god you worship sounds
like
>> a sick bastard. Please don't be offended, but I prefer my god to
yours...
>>
>> >Come to Jesus while you still can.
>>
Amie or KRC
wrote:
>NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder. There
>is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man created
>the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of the
>liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want to.
>IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
>the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
Excuse me, but when did the "Founding Fathers" cease to be men? And
as for their views on the separation of Church and State, I suggest
you do some reading from the writings of James Madison, for starters.
Also, if you think that the "founding fathers" would have been
perfectly okay with a government-mandated religion, why did they not
set one up in the Constitution?
KRC
Amie or KRC
wrote:
>I am sorry you feel this way. It is not my beliefs but the word of God that we must
>follow. i am sorry you worship satan. But Jesus died on the cross for you 2000 years ago.
>He is waiting to come into your heart. Jesus loves you with an everlasting love.
>The word says Jesus is the way the truth the life no man goes to the father except by
>him. And no Jesus is not a sick bastard He is the Son of God! Each time you call him that
>or any other such name you are crucifying him afresh daily. I pray right now in Jesus
>Holy Name that you come to him and allow him to be the Lord of your life.
I get it now, everyone who is not 100% in agreement with you is a
Satanist, right? It's a rather bold assumption to think that the
people who are disagreeing with you aren't Christians themselves - not
all Christians think alike. If there was ever a type of person Jesus
did not need to speak in his name, it would be someone like you. BTW,
You aren't a member of the Westboro Baptist Church are you?
KRC
"I've read every book in the Bible story, and all it brought me was
another worry."
- The Germs, "No God"
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3780E4A2...@ionet.net>...
>NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder.
There
>is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please.
Wrong answer. Read some American history.
Man created
>the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of
the
>liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want
to.
>IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed
of
>the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
>
Lying again, I see. I no more worship Satan than you are a REAL Christian.
You may think you're fooling us by claiming to be a Christian, but Jesus
sees the hate in your heart. Re-read Paul and see what he has to say about
people who repeatedly bear false witness as you do -- he lumps them with
adulterers, murderers, and the lowest scum of humanity. Paul also says that
those who repeatedly bear false witness as you appear to do will not go to
heaven unless they change their ways. I strongly suggest you do some soul
searching about yourself and your so-called "Christian" behavior before you
try to judge others. You're soul is in grave danger.
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3780E2C9...@ionet.net>...
>I am not one of Oral's mindless drones I am an independent Christian who
Loves
>Jesus Christ with all my heart mind soul and strength. That is the greatest
>commandment. Your persecution doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing
can
>worship satan here I can worship Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to
stand
>up and say WE are not going to take it off of satan anymore! I will
continue to
>worship my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus
before
>its too late!
>
have the right to post off-topic posts. Other people thought that they had
the right to flood this newsgroup with off-topic posts and they soon found
out that they didn't and lost their Internet accounts. Paranoid, so-called
"Christians" like you who repeatedly bear false witness (hint -- no one here
worships Satan -- unless you do which would explain why you feel the need to
repeatedly bear false witness) are unwelcome here.
DRDANJ
>I strongly suggest you read Ionet's acceptable use guidelines. You do not
>have the right to post off-topic posts. Other people thought that they had
>the right to flood this newsgroup with off-topic posts and they soon found
>out that they didn't and lost their Internet accounts. Paranoid, so-called
>"Christians" like you who repeatedly bear false witness (hint -- no one here
>worships Satan -- unless you do which would explain why you feel the need to
>repeatedly bear false witness) are unwelcome here.
Well, I dont want to start a flame war here, and I am not taking sides at
all....but, what would be considered on topic/off topic in ok.general?
Also, some people consider worshipping anything other than God (ie., buhdda) to
be worshipping a false God, hence satan in disguise.
And as far as paranoid is concerned....if Michael was approached by some drunk
rednecks who were shouting anti-homosexual rants at him, would his fear not be
a product of paranoia?
Next...<whew> what lifestyle or thought process does one need to be considred
"Christian" anyway? Does that mean they have to be perfect and sin-free?
Everyone is a sinner, Xtian or not. I know very few christians who sin as
often as I do, yet I still consider myself one.
Last but not least, what type of people ARE welcome in a newsgroup called
ok.general? I thought it would be anyone in Oklahoma with any general
interests. I didnt happen to see a requirements list on my way in. Is there a
FAQ I can read?
DRDANJ
>And as far as paranoid is concerned....if Michael was approached by some
>drunk
>rednecks who were shouting anti-homosexual rants at him, would his fear not be
a product of paranoia?
Michael....
Please forgive my use of your name in the post I qouted above. Although my
intentions were good in offering an example that the group could relate to, I
was inconsiderate and rude. If in the future I insult you concerning my views
on the gay lifestyle, I am in no way flaming you in particular.
Peace.....
Dan
Krisharig
>NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder.
This is my point. You have proven that Christians like yourself are a bunch of
extremist peons. You do not know when enough is enough. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE
EXACTLY THE REASON THERE IS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
There
>is no separation of church and state read >the Constitution please.
Read something besides the Bible for once. You do know why the Pilgrims came
over here in the first place, don't you? Or did they not teach you that in
Sunday school? It was to get away from religious zealots. Unfortunately you
are still here.
> Man
>created
>the separation not our founding fathers.
Hmmm, the founding fathers; that feared people like you, created the
separation.
>Please dont fall for the lie of the
>liberals.
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
> I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus >Christ anywhere I want to.
You are not just worshiping, you are being a pain in the ass. I don't remember
the Bible saying "go forth into the world and be a hemorrhoid."
>IF you can worship satan here I can >worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
>the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
You are so terrified of whatever is not taught in your Bible that you call such
things satan worshiping. Its because you do not have an argument, you do not
have any proof. All you can do is hope people retreat because of a knee jerk
reaction to the word satan. Don't get me wrong, I fully support your right to
go to church and worship the way you please. However, I know you wouldn't do
the same for me. Your post has nothing at all to do with this newsgroup.
LEAVE, go talk to people that really want to listen to your drivel. If you
ever come up with facts come back and we will talk. Now I am paying for this
online time, and don't want to deal with stupid people like yourself.
<END OF RANT>
Kristopher
ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:
>NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder. There
>is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man created
>the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of the
>liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want to.
>IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
>the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
You're asking for it, bitch.
*****
"Dammit, Jeb, I'm as Amish as the next fellow, but if we don't
take out that sub, there'll be no Pennsylvania to go home TO!"
--my son, Eric
*****
Amie or KRC
>Okay, I have had all the stupidity I can stand, I got to jump in.
>
>>NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder.
>
>This is my point. You have proven that Christians like yourself are a bunch of
>extremist peons. You do not know when enough is enough. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE
>EXACTLY THE REASON THERE IS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
>
> There
>>is no separation of church and state read >the Constitution please.
>
>Read something besides the Bible for once. You do know why the Pilgrims came
>over here in the first place, don't you? Or did they not teach you that in
>Sunday school? It was to get away from religious zealots. Unfortunately you
>are still here.
Actually, the Pilgrims came here so they would be free to be
religious zealots. The Pilgrims, actually followers of the so-called
Puritan religion, were far more extreme in their views than most of
the mainstream religions in Europe at the time. I would suspect that
someone like Valerie would feel right at home in the Massachusetts Bay
Colony of the 1600's, which permitted the death penalty for those
accused of "witchcraft" - and pretty much anyone else who wasn't
towing their line. The damn Pilgrims and the Massachusetts Bay Colony
are a perfect example of why we don't need another theocracy.
--cut--
KRC
(This one's for Ben...)
"You've got a Methodist coloring book, and you color really well -
but don't you color outside the lines, or God will send you to hell!"
- The Dead Milkmen, "Methodist Coloring Book"
Dy Ziegler
grapevine:
> Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except through
> me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
> need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on the day of
> the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
>
Oh darn..does that mean I have to stop wearing my pentacle, and
participating in monthly baby-sacrifices or annointing myself with
the blood of a freshly slaughtered chicken???
[AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Jun 24, 1999 @ 00:32:20 CTZ
To a cat: happiness is a warm laser printer.
Thousands of years ago, cats were worshipped as gods.
Cats have never forgotten this.
(post script: above is generated by an automatic sig.file program but
I can't help but laugh how appropriate it is...)
Valerie Gould
of church and state. I can worship Jesus Christ anywhere I please. I have been
given that freedom by the shed blood of my precious Saviour. And it seems Jesus
still causes a stir look how many have responded to this post. His name shall live
on forever. Heaven and earth shall pass away but the word shall never pass
away.....
Amie or KRC wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:00:18 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder. There
> >is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man created
> >the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of the
> >liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want to.
> >IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
> >the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
>
Valerie Gould
You no more know me than the man in the moon. If you dont worship satan or Jesus
Christ then who do you worship. Are you hanging around the cross or are you on
the cross? I am not angry I am passionate there is a difference. if you would
like to see what we are all about why dont you come to one of our services that
we have on saturday night with our youth? i also have a cassette tape that I
thinkyou would enjoy it has several songs and testimonies it is a powerful tape.
It has changed many lives around the world. if you would like a copy email me at
sgo...@ionet.net
And no I am not a '"so called" christian. I am a christian who is not ashamed of
the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Bud wrote:
> Valerie Gould wrote in message <3780E4A2...@ionet.net>...
> >NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder.
> There
> >is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please.
>
> Wrong answer. Read some American history.
> Man created
> >the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of
> the
> >liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want
> to.
> >IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed
> of
> >the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
> >
Valerie Gould
much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way Jesus
intended it to be? Remember Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life no man
goes to the Father but by me".
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:00:18 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder. There
> >is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man created
> >the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of the
> >liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want to.
> >IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
> >the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
>
Valerie Gould
Jesus is the only way to heaven and to the father. NO other way. Islam did not die on the
cross for you, Muslim did not die on the cross for you. Buddhism did not die on the cross
for you 2000 years ago. IT was Jesus Christ the Son of God!
Any other religion is dead works. Read Genesis " In the beginning was the word and the
word was with God and the word was God. IT didnt say The word was with
Mohammed or Buddhism It said the word was God. Jesus Christ came in the flesh he was the
word made flesh.
Amie or KRC wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 06:35:08 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except through
> >me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
> >need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on the day of
> >the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
>
Valerie Gould
the Greek. I have as much right to be here as you do. And the word also says If ye
be neither hot nor cold I will spew you out of my mouth. do you want to be spewed?
Do you want to remain lukewarm towards the things of God? I am just quoting the
word of God. Your words do not hurt me. I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I
live not I but Christ that lives in me. You betcha I am a zealot for Jesus HE is my
passion!!! He is my bridegroom. I am infatuated with Jesus. And there is no
separation of church and state. Come to Jesus before its too late. He died for you
2000 years ago. He is waiting to come into your heart.
Krisharig wrote:
> Okay, I have had all the stupidity I can stand, I got to jump in.
>
> >NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder.
>
> This is my point. You have proven that Christians like yourself are a bunch of
> extremist peons. You do not know when enough is enough. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE
> EXACTLY THE REASON THERE IS A SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
>
> There
> >is no separation of church and state read >the Constitution please.
>
> Read something besides the Bible for once. You do know why the Pilgrims came
> over here in the first place, don't you? Or did they not teach you that in
> Sunday school? It was to get away from religious zealots. Unfortunately you
> are still here.
>
> > Man
> >created
> >the separation not our founding fathers.
> Hmmm, the founding fathers; that feared people like you, created the
> separation.
>
> >Please dont fall for the lie of the
> >liberals.
>
> What the hell does that have to do with anything?
>
> > I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus >Christ anywhere I want to.
>
> You are not just worshiping, you are being a pain in the ass. I don't remember
> the Bible saying "go forth into the world and be a hemorrhoid."
>
> >IF you can worship satan here I can >worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
> >the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
>
Valerie Gould
on the cross for you 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ did. He was the one whose back
was plowed until it looked like ribbons, his beard was pulled, a crown of thorns
was placed on his head his head bleeding. he was the one who was spat upon. he
was the one who died on the cross and was stabbed through with a sword. He is
the one who went to Hell to take the keys of death, hell and the grave for you!
Not I. You are not touching me with your words you are hurting Jesus Christ who
lives inside me. Jesus loves you with an everlasting love.
Bud wrote:
> Amie or KRC wrote in message <3781e6f4...@news.prodigy.net>...
> >On 06 Jul 1999 07:01:54 GMT, kris...@aol.com (Krisharig) wrote:
> >
>
> >>
> >>Read something besides the Bible for once. You do know why the Pilgrims
> came
> >>over here in the first place, don't you? Or did they not teach you that
> in
> >>Sunday school? It was to get away from religious zealots. Unfortunately
> you
> >>are still here.
> >
> > Actually, the Pilgrims came here so they would be free to be
> >religious zealots. The Pilgrims, actually followers of the so-called
> >Puritan religion, were far more extreme in their views than most of
> >the mainstream religions in Europe at the time. I would suspect that
> >someone like Valerie would feel right at home in the Massachusetts Bay
> >Colony of the 1600's, which permitted the death penalty for those
> >accused of "witchcraft" - and pretty much anyone else who wasn't
> >towing their line. The damn Pilgrims and the Massachusetts Bay Colony
> >are a perfect example of why we don't need another theocracy.
> >
> What I find especially ironic about these folks who left Europe "to be free
> to worship as they wanted" is they immediately turned around and denied that
> same freedom to others most notably Roger Williams and Anna Hutchinson.
> It's sad that 300+ years later, we still have people like Valerie who will
> lash out at others who don't share her beliefs.
Patrick L. Humphrey
>I am not calling for a govt. mandated religion I am saying there is no
>separation of church and state.
...which is patent bullshit, of course. No one _has_ to follow whatever the
state decides is the One True Religion -- because it's not their business to
make that decision in the first place.
>I can worship Jesus Christ anywhere I please.
Good for you -- now, here's the part you can't seem to understand: you also
can't force anyone else to be involved in your worship, either. That means
you don't get to camp out on my front doorstep bellowing verses from your Holy
Babble.
>I have been given that freedom by the shed blood of my precious
>Saviour. And it seems Jesus still causes a stir look how many have responded
>to this post. His name shall live on forever. Heaven and earth shall pass
>away but the word shall never pass away.....
...never mind that the idiots bleating it don't seem to have the slightest
idea of what it ever meant.
*plonk*
--Patrick L. "your right to preach ends where my right to my home begins"
Humphrey
Dy Ziegler
Dy Ziegler
Dy Ziegler
grapevine:
> Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting you so
> much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way Jesus
> intended it to be? Remember Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life no man
> goes to the Father but by me".
Actually the reason you are pissing of most of the people here is
because of
your own ignorance. You continue to spew...errr...preach to those who
have
no desire to be preached to and who are completely satsified with the
way their
lives are now. I for one, could care less what *your* saviour has
planned for
MY life!!!
------
Dy Ziegler
dyn...@webzone.net
[AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Jul 6, 1999 @ 13:21:33 CTZ
Network management is like trying to herd cats.
I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half
back an
hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum
loop,
reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). I was able to exit
the loop
only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly e*log(pi)
clocks
in the house while simultaneously rapping my dog on the snout with a
rolled
up Times. Accordingly, I will be in late, or early.
Amie or KRC
wrote:
>I am not calling for a govt. mandated religion I am saying there is no separation
>of church and state. I can worship Jesus Christ anywhere I please. I have been
>given that freedom by the shed blood of my precious Saviour. And it seems Jesus
>still causes a stir look how many have responded to this post. His name shall live
>on forever. Heaven and earth shall pass away but the word shall never pass
>away.....
Try looking through those trees for that forest there, Valerie. It
is the very notion of separation of church and state that gives you
the freedom to worship as you choose. What religious nuts like you
always fail to acknowledge is that the separation ideal works both
ways - just as one religion cannot force itself to be mandated by the
government, the government cannot interfere with religion. Church and
state must be separate in order for you to have freedom of religion.
Once the government begins to step in and say which religions can be
practiced and which cannot - then not only has the separation been
breached, but the very idea of having the freedom to worship is in
jeopardy. While I'm sure you have no problems with Rep. Bob Barr's
move to ban the practice of Wicca for military bases, many religious
leaders do. They see it as a breach of that wall and they know that
once the precedent has been set by the government that they can decide
what is and is not an acceptable religion, it's just a matter of time
before ANY religion may face the same scrutiny.
While you say that YOU aren't calling for a government-mandated
religion, I'm sure it would be fine with you if everyone was in
lock-step behind your religion - that has been clear by the tone of
your posts from the beginning. Let me ask you these questions - are
you in favor of the proposal to place the ten commandments in schools?
Are you in favor of a government-approved prayer in schools? If the
answer to either of these is yes, then you DO support the government
mandating religion.
KRC
Amie or KRC
wrote:
>The word says :I am the way the truth and the life NO man goes to the father but by me.
>Jesus is the only way to heaven and to the father. NO other way. Islam did not die on the
>cross for you, Muslim did not die on the cross for you. Buddhism did not die on the cross
>for you 2000 years ago. IT was Jesus Christ the Son of God!
>Any other religion is dead works. Read Genesis " In the beginning was the word and the
>word was with God and the word was God. IT didnt say The word was with
>Mohammed or Buddhism It said the word was God. Jesus Christ came in the flesh he was the
>word made flesh.
Again, that's what you believe. There is no proof that anything in
the Bible is true other than one believing it is so. You got people
running around claiming they saw Elvis at Burger King last week, and
they're totally convinced that what they saw is true. What makes them
any more or less crazy than you? You believe that Jesus died for you,
which is fine. But there are many of us who think otherwise. Why is
it so difficult for people like you to accept that fact and let others
be? Why do you have to insult them by labelling them Satanists or
saying that the religions of others aren't legitimate?
KRC
Amie or KRC
wrote:
--cut--
>The same thing could be said of Elvis.....
Just check out The First Presleyterian Church of Elvis the Divine.
Thank you, thank you very much...
KRC
ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:
>Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting you so
>much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way Jesus
>intended it to be? Remember Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life no man
>goes to the Father but by me".
Now you've gone and done it:
"I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm
preaching TO."
"We believe the planet is being led to destruction by a race of
inferior creatures who place blind trust in their own culturally
dictated concept of 'intelligence.'
The World ends tomorrow and YOU MAY DIE.
Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
Too Much is Always better than not enough
Pull the Wool over your OWN eyes
You'll pay to know what you really think
Give me Slack, or give me food, or kill me
If I can't whup it, I'll go down
If you act like a dumbshit, they'll treat you like an equal.
The Church of the SubGenius could save your sanity.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:
more crap that I will replace with entertainment:
The Church can't cut your strings--you wouldn't want us to, if you
knew what they can mean for you-- but we can show you where the stings
are attached and how to 'sync up' with the Puppetteer...how to stay
one jump ahead of the other puppets by assisting the Puppet Master: by
following the Path Of Least Resistance.
Remember, Jehovah1--or Wotan, or Shiva or whatever you want to call
HIm--is not God. He might as well be, as far as we're concerned,
because he has powers of creation and destruction that Man had
mistakenly associated with God throughout history. He is merely a bit
player in this vast Movie which God is apparantly leaving unedited.
Neverthless, His galactic goals--it makes no difference what they
are--can be achieved sooner if He hones a few special tools to aid in
the task. As the trance dictation of Dobbs tells us, SubGeniuses are
those tools and Jehova 1 needs our help.
In return we Chosen are rewarded with Slack as He tips the scales of
cause and effect in our favor. Indeed, WOTAN1 can cheat your Karma for
you, much like a tax expert greases your way throught IRS. You can
beat the sysstem if you have the right connections. The space god can
literally make coincidents and accidents happen to favor YOU. This
what this means in the areas of love, sex, finances, and social
standing. It isn't WHAT you know, it's WHO you know. "Luck" simply
means being in the right place at the right time. If you pay Him
enough lip service, JHVH-1 cna 'fix it' so that you will constantly
find yourself stumbling into that right place at just that right time.
This "deal" is called The Covenant."
Book of The SubGenius, Chapter 1
ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:
religious spew which I will replace with my own
"You may have heard the term "SubGenius" sometime before, buy you
might not be able to quite put your finger on it--almost as if it were
some dim racial memory, some archetype from Neandertal times. That may
very well be the case.
Now, the Church was not founded until 1953. And it was 1979 before
Dobbs created The SubGenius Foundation as a vehicle to bring the
teachings to the public. But SubGeniuses have always existed...even
before Dobbs. In all the cradles of civilization--Subermia, Egypt,
Atlantis--clues have been found which prove the existence of the
Conspiracy and of the SubGenmii who fought to subdue it.
The wisdom of those ancient SubGeniuses was never lost. Carried down
by secret oral traditions, it lies latent in many living people,
waiting only to be triggered by the Abnormality Revolution. Perhaps,
even as you read this, you can feel those ancestral powers and arcane
memories surging up from within your dankest brain gutters.
Ask yourself--don't you feel different at this exact moment than you
ever did before? Isn't it because you feel some vague but momentous
force emanating from this very piece of paper?
You didn't just wander into a bookstore and happend to notice this
Book. You were led to us, and we to you, by powers much greater than
Man and yet, seemingly more random than Fate. But the ways of the
great Manipulator in Space, Jevhovah-1 only appear random. Yes,! Our
pather crossed because it was PLANNED--plotted out aeons ago by alien
minds more bizzare than your wildest nightmares, as part of a
"WorkNet:" a cosmic scheme woven into such a complex web that not just
human history but the fabric of cause and and effect themselves was
disrupted. FACE IT-- the very fact of your eyes moving across this
page at this moment is inevitably and subatomically decreed. You are
locked into the machinations of a cosmic puppeteer who works your
strings so skillfully you never knew they were there.
Jerry Morgan
wrote:
>Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> was heard wispering through the
>grapevine:
>
>> Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except through
>> me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
>> need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on the day of
>> the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
>>
>
>Oh darn..does that mean I have to stop wearing my pentacle, and
>participating in monthly baby-sacrifices or annointing myself with
>the blood of a freshly slaughtered chicken???
>
Yep.
If I gotta' cut out the toga parties, orgies and virgin sacrifices you
got stop wearing your pentacle and also do away with the baby
sacrifices and the annointing with blood has already been declared a
no-no owing to the bio-hazard issues.
Also you need to spend at least 157 minutes a day practicing saying
the phrase "gee-ZUS lubs me, yes I know, for da' bible tales me so".
;-)
Also it might not hurt to toss a few bucks in the collection plate.
- - - - -
The Older I get - The better I *WAS*.
- - - - -
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3781D091...@ionet.net>...
>Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting
you so
>much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way
Jesus
life no man
>goes to the Father but by me".
>
ignorant twit like yourself who feels that she and she alone knows what it
means to be a "Christian." You're so ate up with yourself that you're blind
to the how others see your actions. Your words are full of hate and lies.
It takes more than going to church and singing hymns to be a Christian -- it
takes actions -- and your actions here speak volumes about how
un-Christian-like you are. I strongly suggest you do some serious Bible
study -- especially about the sections that deal with judging others.
Perhaps then you'll see how far short of the mark you fall when it comes to
being a REAL Christian.
Jerry Morgan
wrote:
>I am not one of Oral's mindless drones I am an independent Christian who Loves
What's "an independent Christian"? Is that something like a part time
christian, Sunday morning christian or similar?
>Jesus Christ with all my heart mind soul and strength. That is the greatest
>commandment. Your persecution doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing
>something right. And no I wont take it to a religious newsgroups.
What's with this "greatest commandment" stuff?
I always thought that they were numbered 1 to 10, disregarding that
little fiasco where numbers 11 - 20 got kinda' sorta' dropped.
>If you can
>worship satan here I can worship Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand
Who's been worshiping satan here?
And more importantly, IF you are free to worship that which you wish
why would you find fault with others worshiping as they wish?
>up and say WE are not going to take it off of satan anymore! I will continue to
Who's we?
And what are you "not going to take" anymore?
>worship my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus before
>its too late!
>
Too late for what?
This universe has been here for billions of years and probably will be
for billions more, what's the big deal with worrying about being "too
late"?
You are aware that this planet and the universe is older than 6,000
years - give or take a few years, aren't you?
- - - - -
Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.
George Carlin
ta...@xtra.co.nz
wrote:(in so many words) I want a spanking, Tarla, please give it to
me:
We may attack your beliefs. But only those who believe blindly,
greedily or half-heartedly will be bothered by our brand of mockery.
To question their beliefs threatens them; it makes a secret part of
them ashamed, and they get riled up and start smiting.
Of course, SHEER STUPID HATE isn't the only things that keeps people
away from the SubGenius Church. You may simply have more important
things to spend your time and money on--things like albums, going to
the movies, a new tape deck for your car--things you'd much rather
possess than, oh, say, life after death, reincarnality, psychic
powers, immortality, invisibility, nirvana, communication with Higher
Intelligences, SLACK, and so on. If those things are meaningless to
you, by all means, just give this Book to someone else. We're sorry
you even bothered.
You see, we're not trying to sell this to EVERYBODY. There are many we
don't want, and there are plenty we can't save because it's too late.
Hard-sell recruitment for this Church is too much trouble to bother
with, because by definition tru SubGenii are not "Joiners." They're
rightfully suspicious of herds. They don't want to be "members' of any
organization. It's a miracle that we've gotten even THIS far. Between
the cult's tendency towards secrecy and the one Law that the laws
change from minute to minute, it's not surprisng that there's no
man-on-the-street-soliciting and prosyletizing. Even our biggest
revivals are spur-of-the-moment, bacchanalian brawl-party affairs. The
telephone is used far more than the altar.
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3781D03A...@ionet.net>...
>No my soul is not in grave danger.I love Jesus Christ will everything I
have.
>You no more know me than the man in the moon. If you dont worship satan or
Jesus
>Christ then who do you worship. Are you hanging around the cross or are you
on
>the cross? I am not angry I am passionate there is a difference. if you
would
that
>we have on saturday night with our youth? i also have a cassette tape that
I
>thinkyou would enjoy it has several songs and testimonies it is a powerful
tape.
>It has changed many lives around the world. if you would like a copy email
me at
>And no I am not a '"so called" christian. I am a christian who is not
ashamed of
>the gospel of Jesus Christ.
>
The Bible says that Christians are known by their actions. Your actions
here are hardly Christian-like -- unless your church believes that
repeatedly bearing false witness is Christian-like. You set a very poor
example of Christian-like behavior -- why should anyone want to follow your
example? You're young so maybe as you gain wisdom, you'll see how prideful
and hateful you appear to others.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
Sounds Crazy? You bet! The early Christians sounded SO crazy to the
Romans that they were used as lion fodder. Modern day Christians seem
to have forgotten that; plenty of them would like to see US thrown to
the bulldozers. Oh, sure, we blaspheme like crazyagainst the gods. But
that's exactly WHY this is the first religious text in history that
doesn't take "the Lord's name" in VAIN. For once, there's a REASON.
GOD HIMSELF CUSSES!! He's MAD! He's being falsely represented on
Earth! Jehovah-1's pretentions would be bad enough, but now all these
human preachers have gotten into the act, doling out notions of
"right" and "wrong" as if their peabrains could even BEGIN to sort
such things out. They've cornered the market and set things up so that
enligtenment in Their churches consists of four basic stages, each
more tortuous than the last, and when some poor devil finally does
ghet Illuminated he just reenters the world and goes back to basically
normal behavior.
SubGeniuses are BORN enlightened and so may remain in the world,
"acting norma" (it's all relative). They already KNOW the Big Secret
of most Mystery School: that "divine ecstacy" is arrived at just as
easily with a backrub, or a good screw, as it is through 20 years of
ascetic self-flogging in a cave--at least, AS LONG AS THERE IS SLACK.
By now, the average False Christian reader will assume that this whole
church is the Devil's work. But we're much too unpopular for the
Devil. He's strictly big time and doesn't mess wiht marked underdogs
like us. He uses those already in seats of power. The power of the
SubGenius is that WE DON'T NEED POWER. We don't even need brains. We
have "Bob," we have a Deal with JHVH-1, we have our own capacity to
blunder creatively. We're too disorganized for the Devil. If he's
anywhere, he's where you least expect him.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
word. What does it mean?
It means NOTHING! It's utterly ambiguous. All-purpose. It sure as hell
doesn't mean "just below genius level." To "Bob" and his mighty
friends in The Council of None, one happy idiot is worth far more than
ten A-bomb-inventing-geniuses. We throw most so-called geniuses OUT.
They're too nervous, they take themselves too seriously, they're
SNIDE. They do not truly know Slack.
Praise "Bob," there are as many idiot SubGenii as "smart" ones. Most
prevalent, however, are smart-asses. It isn't brains, but an
intuitive, anti-Pink, anti-cute ATTITUDE MUTATION. The Conspiracy has
proved that you can have high intelligence but still not be able to
THINK.
No, yes, SubGeniuses are merely The Chosen People-- the class which
cannot be classified, those who are different not only from others,
but from each other. If any two are the same, ONE MUST GO! We band
together only for strength, and only temporarily. The Conspriacy used
to KILL peopel who displayed SubGenius traits. Thanks to the countless
martyred evo-and devolution cults that pave d the way, nowadays you're
merely penalized FINANCIALLY, SOCIALLY, and SEXUALLY, for weirdness.
But at least we can come out and admit that there ARE people mutating
ahead, and they are US; and, because mutation is so unpredictable,
there will inevitably be unguessed other steps BEYOND SubGenius...but
only if we fulfill our genetic DESTINY.
Ultimately, it isn't Smart vs. Stupid or Cool vs. Uncool, but THE GOOD
GUYS vs. THE BAD GUYS. The free men against the robber barons.
Frankenstein's monster against the Villagers. Of course it's OUR
definition of "Good Guys," so if we aren't careful we'll end up as a
bunch of Hitlers instead of Robin Hoods.
Slugfish
--slg.
On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:00:18 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >NO I wont go to another newsgroups and no I dont want to commit murder. There
> >is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man
created
> >the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of the
> >liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want to.
> >IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of
> >the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
--
"Mmmf mmf mmmmmf mf, mfmmf mmf mf, mmmf mf mf, mf,
mmf mf ff mmmmmfmmmf mmf mmf mmf mmf mf mmmfmmmmf."
--Kenny McCormick
http://www.telepath.com/slugfish
Dodgers newsgroup FAQ and Other Crap
Jerry Morgan
>>
>>What's "an independent Christian"? Is that something like a part time
>>christian, Sunday morning christian or similar?
>>
>
> Well, I would hope an independent Christian is of the type that doesn't go
>around always poking the subjects of homosexuality, abortion, and porn down
>your throat, and instead focuses on the teachings of Jesus.
Are there any Christians like that, around here?
Maybe I slept through the coming and going of such a Christian in
ok.general. If so, all I can say is they sure didn't stay for long.
- - - - -
You *may* be addicted to coffee if you haven't slept
since the Johnson Administration or You wake up in the
middle of the night screaming,"Coffee! For the love of
God I need coffee!"
Timothy Melton
Jonathan Keepers <hei...@telepath.com> wrote:
>> Or on the day of
>> the rapture Who will be laughing last?
Blondie?
> The Last Southern Democrate
> Jonathan Keepers
Ever play Cordite and Steel?
Tim
--
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P.O. Box 721387 (405) 329-7475
Norman, OK 73070-8069 Fax: (405) 329-7734
Timothy Melton
Valerie Gould <valg...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
>I am not one of Oral's mindless drones I am an independent Christian who Loves
That's nice. But listening to you makes me think that you *are* a
mindless drone, albiet not necessarily following Oral...
>commandment. Your persecution doesn't bother me just shows that I am doing
Persecution? You have no idea what persecution is like,
>something right. And no I wont take it to a religious newsgroups. If you can
>worship satan here I can worship Jesus! IT is time for the Christians to stand
Who the hell is worshiping *anything* here? Much less Satan. Father
of Darkness, Destroyer of Light. All hail... err.. oops, sorry,
slipped up there for a second. I almost mentioned something about
being a government shill as well...
>up and say WE are not going to take it off of satan anymore! I will continue to
Take it off, Satan!
>worship my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anyway I please. come to Jesus before
>its too late!
Worship whoever, and whatever, however you please. But PLEASE do it
in an appropriate place. I, for one, don't care to listen to a simple
minded troll spouting mythylogical nonsense that she heard last Sunday
in church or has read in a politically motivated translation of a
thousands year-old book. You'll also find that folks are far less
likely to "persecute" you if you're "worshiping" in an appropriate
forum.
Have a nice day,
Timothy Melton
DRDANJ <drd...@aol.comatose> wrote:
>Well, I dont want to start a flame war here, and I am not taking sides at
>all....but, what would be considered on topic/off topic in
ok.general?
Read the charter. I'd guess that almost anything is fair game for
this group if it relates to Oklahoma.
>Also, some people consider worshipping anything other than God (ie., buhdda) to
>be worshipping a false God, hence satan in disguise.
And some people may worshipa giant ball of twine. So what? Ha ha!
See who's laughing when we're in the great ball of twine in the sky
while you're thrashing in the fraying pits...
>And as far as paranoid is concerned....if Michael was approached by some drunk
>rednecks who were shouting anti-homosexual rants at him, would his fear not be
>a product of paranoia?
No, it wouldn't. It would be a product of experience. If he were
frightened of the group prior to their shouts and insults, it could be
seen as a product of paranoia, though.
>Next...<whew> what lifestyle or thought process does one need to be considred
>"Christian" anyway? Does that mean they have to be perfect and sin-free?
Of course not.
>Everyone is a sinner, Xtian or not. I know very few christians who sin as
>often as I do, yet I still consider myself one.
That's nice. Let's have a contest here to see who sins the most. As
I am witout sin, I shall cast the first stone <smirk>.
>Last but not least, what type of people ARE welcome in a newsgroup called
>ok.general? I thought it would be anyone in Oklahoma with any general
>interests. I didnt happen to see a requirements list on my way in. Is there a
>FAQ I can read?
Who knows. There should be a charter around somewhere. Hey, Jerry?
You seen the charter around?? In any case, I'm always amused by folks
that claim that certain posts here are "off topic".
Brant Shallenburger
Being a Christian myself (and yet feeling no need to preach to those who don't
want to hear it - my words and actions tend to speak for me) I have a feeling
that our local Jesus Freak is rather new in her belief. Not that I condone her
relentless fanaticism, but perhaps I will cut her some slack and tell her, as a
"brother" that sometimes what you say in attempting to promote Jesus does
nothing but turn people off all the more. So, a word of advice: Let it go. The
people in this group obviously don't want to hear it. Don't force it. You will
only defeat your purpose.
And now back to Lurkerville.
Boomerlake
Boomerlake
>No my soul is not in grave danger.I love Jesus Christ will everything I have.
>You no more know me than the man in the moon. If you dont worship satan or
>Jesus
I think a lot of people worship their TVs, especially when Jan and Paul
Crouch and their guest stars are on it. There's no time for Jesus and Satan
then.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
Shallenburger) wrote:
Not only that, but every post in which she attempts to shove her
religion down our collective throats will result in my posting a
followup from the BOSG, thus assuring her that her obnoxious behavior
will only end up promoting a "satanic" group, the CoSG.
Jerry Morgan
Melton) wrote:
<snip>
>Who knows. There should be a charter around somewhere. Hey, Jerry?
>You seen the charter around?? In any case, I'm always amused by folks
>that claim that certain posts here are "off topic".
>
>Tim
There is no charter for ok.general.
There's also no FAQ.
To the best of my knowledge there's also no list of "on topic" or "off
topic" subjects.
That doesn't mean however that spammers, forgers and other net abusers
won't get the bum's rush. ;-)
Here's the "birthing announcement" for ok.general
[begin quote]
From que...@qns.com Tue Sep 5 00:56:01 1995
Path:
uunet!in1.uu.net!news.roundabout.org!news.demon.co.uk!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!mercury.galstar.com!bubba.ucc.okstate.edu!qns3.qns.com!qns2.qns.com!not-for-mail
From: que...@qns.com
Newsgroups: ok.general
Subject: cmsg newgroup ok.general
Control: newgroup ok.general
Date: 4 Sep 1995 23:27:21 -0500
Organization: Questar Network Services
Lines: 12
Sender: que...@qns2.qns.com
Approved: que...@qns.com
Message-ID: <42gjj9$a...@qns2.qns.com>
Xref: uunet control.newgroup:1377
ok.general is an unmoderated newsgroup approved by the
ok-...@qns.com mailing list.
For your newsgroups file:
ok.general Topics of general interest in Oklahoma
There is no charter for this newsgroup.
--
Quentin Conner (que...@qns.com) http://www.qns.com/~quentin
Questar Network Services -------> Public Internet Access for
Oklahoma
5900 Mosteller Drive, 15th Floor in...@qns.com or (405) 848-3228
Oklahoma City, OK 73112 (405) 843-9434 fax (405) 843-9395
data
[end quote]
This was followed by "boosters" on 9/7/95 and 9/8/95.
But wait, as an extra added attraction here's the "birthing
announcement" for ok.tulsa.general.
[begin quote]
From jmc...@galaxy.galstar.com Tue Mar 28 01:03:58 1995
Path:
uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!qns1.qns.com!telepath!mercury.galstar.com!galaxy.galstar.com!jmccorm
From: jmc...@galaxy.galstar.com (Josh McCormick)
Newsgroups: ok.tulsa.general,ok.general
Subject: cmsg newgroup ok.tulsa.general
Control: newgroup ok.tulsa.general
Date: 28 Mar 1995 05:21:02 GMT
Organization: GALSTAR - Tulsa's Public Access Internet
Lines: 11
Message-ID: <3l86bu$6...@mercury.galstar.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: galaxy.galstar.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
Xref: uunet control:1826039
For your control file:
ok.tulsa.general Tulsa area discussions and topics.
--
====================================================================
=== Josh McCormick Galaxy Star Systems of Tulsa ===
=== jmc...@galstar.com Providing Quality Internet Access ===
=== Systems Administrator WWW: http://www.galstar.com ===
====================================================================
From que...@qns.com Tue Sep 5 01:05:05 1995
Path:
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From: que...@qns.com
Newsgroups: ok.tulsa.general
Subject: cmsg newgroup ok.tulsa.general
Control: newgroup ok.tulsa.general
Date: 4 Sep 1995 23:27:22 -0500
Organization: Questar Network Services
Lines: 12
Sender: que...@qns2.qns.com
Approved: que...@qns.com
Message-ID: <42gjja$a...@qns2.qns.com>
Xref: uunet control.newgroup:1380
ok.tulsa.general is an unmoderated newsgroup approved by the
ok-...@qns.com mailing list.
For your newsgroups file:
ok.tulsa.general Topics of general interest in Tulsa, Oklahoma
There is no charter for this newsgroup.
--
Quentin Conner (que...@qns.com) http://www.qns.com/~quentin
Questar Network Services -------> Public Internet Access for
Oklahoma
5900 Mosteller Drive, 15th Floor in...@qns.com or (405) 848-3228
Oklahoma City, OK 73112 (405) 843-9434 fax (405) 843-9395
data
[end quote]
And as Paul Harvey would say, "now you know the rest of the story."
;-)
- - - - -
The Older I get - The better I *WAS*.
Dy Ziegler
Timothy Melton
Jerry Morgan <jmo...@bubbaworld.com> wrote:
>There is no charter for ok.general.
Is there at least an FAQ?
>There's also no FAQ.
Oh. Well is there at least a list of on and off-topic subjects?
>To the best of my knowledge there's also no list of "on topic" or "off
>topic" subjects.
Oh. Wel could we write one on old parchment, bury it in the ground,
and then dig it up and proclaim it to be the holy writ of ok.general?
>That doesn't mean however that spammers, forgers and other net abusers
>won't get the bum's rush. ;-)
<chuckle>
>Here's the "birthing announcement" for ok.general
>
>[begin quote]
>
>From que...@qns.com Tue Sep 5 00:56:01 1995
I didn't know that Quentin started ok.general. You learn something
new every day.
>[end quote]
>
>And as Paul Harvey would say, "now you know the rest of the story."
So, Quentin was the Creator. He spoke and gave us life. Before
Quentin, the was no ok.general. All hail the Creator! He who cast
out his net upon the great dark waters of the 'Net and pulled us from
the morass and spake to us and said "Go forth and post. But post ye
only on topic to ok.general. For mine is the Word and the Light. I
am the creator of this newsgroup and give it to you freely. Use it
wisely and in good health. Defend it from the heathens who would
bring SPAM and trolls to it. For this is my gift to you."
<sniff>
Pretty powerful stuff.
Jerry Morgan
Melton) wrote:
>In article <378330c...@news3.newscene.com>,
>Jerry Morgan <jmo...@bubbaworld.com> wrote:
>
<snip>
><chuckle>
>
>>Here's the "birthing announcement" for ok.general
>>
>>[begin quote]
>>
>>From que...@qns.com Tue Sep 5 00:56:01 1995
>
>I didn't know that Quentin started ok.general. You learn something
>new every day.
>
>>[end quote]
>>
That's the really neat thing about being open minded and willing to
listen, that's how we learn. Of course there's also those such a the
person that originated this thread that are so closed minded they will
probably never learn, but then that's usenet. ;-)
>>And as Paul Harvey would say, "now you know the rest of the story."
>
>So, Quentin was the Creator. He spoke and gave us life. Before
>Quentin, the was no ok.general. All hail the Creator! He who cast
>out his net upon the great dark waters of the 'Net and pulled us from
>the morass and spake to us and said "Go forth and post. But post ye
>only on topic to ok.general. For mine is the Word and the Light. I
>am the creator of this newsgroup and give it to you freely. Use it
>wisely and in good health. Defend it from the heathens who would
>bring SPAM and trolls to it. For this is my gift to you."
>
><sniff>
>
Inspiring isn't it?
What's really strange is that ok.tulsa.general was "birthed" before
ok.general, at least according to the "birthing announcements".
Also, when Josh "birthed" ok.tulsa.general he didn't mention a
charter. When Quentin did the "booster" he clarified the situation by
stating there is no charter. Good housekeeping and all that. ;-)
>Pretty powerful stuff.
>
Yes it is.
Now where you wanna' bury that parchment containing the charter. My
back yards full of buried spammers, so we can't do it here. ;-)
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Jerry Morgan
wrote:
>t...@quest1.questconsult.com (Timothy Melton) was heard wispering
>through the grapevine:
>
>> Who the hell is worshiping *anything* here? Much less Satan. Father
>> of Darkness, Destroyer of Light. All hail... err.. oops, sorry,
>> slipped up there for a second. I almost mentioned something about
>> being a government shill as well...
>
>OH NO!! Do you realize what you just *did*? Now Carl will
>want to jump on the bandwagon, tinfoil hat and all!!!
>
Rumor has it that Carl, while attempting to dry his hair, suffered
severe injuries as a result of forgetting to remove his tinfoil hat
prior to sticking his head into his microwave.
Those injuries, compounded by the cuts and abrasions resulting from
shoving his head through the glass door of the microwave, are
according to these same rumors hampering Carl's efforts at spreading
his version of "THE WORD".
Of course these are all rumors and as such have no more credibility
than anything Carl might post.
- - - - -
Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.
George Carlin
robert lindsay
What, the mininatures game?
>Tim
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mahab...@my-deja.com
Nwy...@excite.com wrote:
>
> Try looking through those trees for that forest there, Valerie. It
> is the very notion of separation of church and state that gives you
> the freedom to worship as you choose. What religious nuts like you
> always fail to acknowledge is that the separation ideal works both
> ways - just as one religion cannot force itself to be mandated by the
> government, the government cannot interfere with religion. Church and
> state must be separate in order for you to have freedom of religion.
Yes. In May of this year, a federal district judge ruled that a
Westchester County (New York) school district had violated its students'
First Amendment right to religious freedom by having third graders make
likenesses of a Hindu god (Ganesha, the one with an elephant head) and
reciting New Age prayers at a high school Earth Day celebration. The
Constitutional provision that protects Christian children from being
forced to make graven images also protects Hindu children from over-
zealous Christians. <g> Sounds like the Golden Rule in action.
"[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom ... was
finally passed, ... a singular proposition proved that its protection of
opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that
coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our
religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word "Jesus
Christ," so that it should read "a departure from the plan of Jesus
Christ, the holy author of our religion." The insertion was rejected by
a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the
mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and
Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination." - Thomas
Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821.
B.
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Bud
Michael OKC wrote in message <378c7778...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:45:30 -0500, in <3781D03A...@ionet.net>,
>Valerie Gould expressed the following:
>
>>No my soul is not in grave danger.I love Jesus Christ will everything I
have.
>>You no more know me than the man in the moon.
>
true
>and that you "no more know me than the man in the moon?" And yet you have
the
>audacity to claim that I worship satan? Making blanket and incorrect
>statements about a prospect is certainly an asinine way to "lead them into
the
>fold." So many of you "christians" can't seem to grasp the simple concept
of
>flies, honey, and vinegar.
Well said. I thought it was ironic of Valerie to make claims we worship
Satan without a speck of evidence to support her claim, yet she denies
bearing false witness even though it's in black and white for all to see.
Valerie appears to be another "liar for Jesus."
>
>>If you dont worship satan or Jesus Christ then who do you worship.
>
>Is worshiping a requirement? Will you grant me the right to be free from
>worship or must I choose to worship? If I must then I choose... umm, Zeus.
>I've always rather preferred the mythology of the Greeks over the Jewish
>flavor.
I'd like to know what makes Valerie thinks that she has the right to ask the
question in the first place. I certainly don't feel the need to share my
personal beliefs with a hateful, arrogant like b*tch like Valerie. It's
people like her that give Christianity a bad name.
Bud
Michael OKC wrote in message <378b7620...@enews.newsguy.com>...
>On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:00:18 -0500, in <3780E4A2...@ionet.net>,
>Valerie Gould expressed the following:
>
There
>>is no separation of church and state read the Constitution please. Man
created
>>the separation not our founding fathers. Please dont fall for the lie of
the
>>liberals. I will worship My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ anywhere I want
to.
>>IF you can worship satan here I can worship Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed
of
>>the gospel for it is the power of God unto salvation.
>
>
<snip founding fathers on religion>
Good job Michael! The sad thing is I doubt if a mindless sheeple like
Valerie will be able to appreciate the information.
Kim Elmore
a compendium of these available? If so, where?
And, I agree with Jerry: you should get the Golden Mallet for
this truly artful whacking!
Kim Elmore
ta...@xtra.co.nz
>On 7 Jul 1999 13:06:05 -0500, in <3784963b...@news3.newscene.com>,
>Jerry Morgan expressed the following:
>
>>On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:47:28 GMT, Michael OKC wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>
>>>Stuff these in your pipe and smoke 'em, Val:
>>>
>>
>><snip founding fathers on religion>
>>
>>This has got to be one of the finest jobs of loon whacking I've ever
>>seen and one truly deserving of nomination for the "Golden Mallet
>>Award".
>>
>>I salute you sir.
>>
>>
>>S-A-L-U-T-E !!!!
>
>Coming from the originator of the award this means a lot. <sniffle>
>
>I shall cherish this as long as I live! ;-)
>
>I have lots of material for this debate so if Val wants to continue down this
>path I might just win the "Mallet" twice in the same thread! :-)
>
I'm just glad old John Adams felt the way he did. I'm a direct
descendant of his and glad to know the genes breed true.
Amie or KRC
>On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:41:27 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
>wrote:
>religious spew which I will replace with my own
>
>"You may have heard the term "SubGenius" sometime before, buy you
>might not be able to quite put your finger on it--almost as if it were
>some dim racial memory, some archetype from Neandertal times. That may
>very well be the case.
Bob bless the mighty Rev. Ivan Stang!
KRC
Jerry Morgan
<snip>
>Yes. In May of this year, a federal district judge ruled that a
>Westchester County (New York) school district had violated its students'
>First Amendment right to religious freedom by having third graders make
>likenesses of a Hindu god (Ganesha, the one with an elephant head) and
>reciting New Age prayers at a high school Earth Day celebration. The
>Constitutional provision that protects Christian children from being
>forced to make graven images also protects Hindu children from over-
>zealous Christians. <g> Sounds like the Golden Rule in action.
>
If only Christians, as a whole, were willing to accept the fact that
everyone has the same right to either practice the religion of their
choice or to refrain from practicing any religion we'd all be much
better off.
Although I'm not familiar with all or even the majority of religions,
I doubt there is any religion as fanatical in its denunciation of all
other religions as are Christians.
It seems that religious tolerance and freedom of religious choice are
not mainstays of Christianity.
- - - - -
How many Southern Baptists does it take
to change a Light bulb? Ten. One to change
it and nine others to curse the darkness.
ta...@xtra.co.nz
Oh, Stanky ain't all that mighty. He's just a tool, remember. He's a
clever tool, though and I like him a lot. Our children mate in the
future, creating the actual Mighty strain of SubGenii.
*****
A lady came up to me on the street and pointed at my
suede jacket. 'You know a cow was murdered for that
jacket'? She sneered. I replied in a psychotic tone
'I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I'll have
to kill you too.'
*****
Valerie Gould
late. I would hate for you to miss the rapture and be left behind. I want to see everyone
around the throne of God rejoicing not waiting judgment.
Dy Ziegler wrote:
> Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net> was heard wispering through the
> grapevine:
>
> > Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting you so
> > much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way Jesus
> > intended it to be? Remember Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life no man
> > goes to the Father but by me".
>
> Actually the reason you are pissing of most of the people here is
> because of
> your own ignorance. You continue to spew...errr...preach to those who
> have
> no desire to be preached to and who are completely satsified with the
> way their
> lives are now. I for one, could care less what *your* saviour has
> planned for
> MY life!!!
>
> ------
> Dy Ziegler
> dyn...@webzone.net
>
> [AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Jul 6, 1999 @ 13:21:33 CTZ
> Network management is like trying to herd cats.
>
> I set half the clocks in my house ahead an hour and the other half
> back an
> hour Saturday and spent 18 hours in some kind of space-time continuum
> loop,
> reliving Sunday (right up until the explosion). I was able to exit
> the loop
> only by reversing the polarity of the power source exactly e*log(pi)
> clocks
> in the house while simultaneously rapping my dog on the snout with a
> rolled
> up Times. Accordingly, I will be in late, or early.
Valerie Gould
evidence of things unseen. And it also says that a fool says in his heart there is no
God. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of my God are you ashamed of yours?
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:46:58 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting you so
> >much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way Jesus
> >intended it to be? Remember Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the life no man
> >goes to the Father but by me".
>
> Now you've gone and done it:
>
> "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the kind of person I'm
> preaching TO."
>
> "We believe the planet is being led to destruction by a race of
> inferior creatures who place blind trust in their own culturally
> dictated concept of 'intelligence.'
>
> The World ends tomorrow and YOU MAY DIE.
>
> Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
> Too Much is Always better than not enough
> Pull the Wool over your OWN eyes
> You'll pay to know what you really think
> Give me Slack, or give me food, or kill me
> If I can't whup it, I'll go down
> If you act like a dumbshit, they'll treat you like an equal.
>
> The Church of the SubGenius could save your sanity.
Valerie Gould
speak to them. I speak the truth and no I am not into myself . I am into Jesus
Christ the living God. He is my everything. I am nothing in myself but I am
everything in Jesus. I am nothing but dirt but Jesus chose to die for me on the
cross 2000 years ago. I said nothing about sunday school . Going to sunday
school doesn't save you, Getting baptized doesn't save you, Having a decree of
ordination doesn't save you. Only Jesus and his shed blood can save you. Just
because you walk into a church doesn't make you a christian.
Bud wrote:
> Valerie Gould wrote in message <3781D091...@ionet.net>...
> >Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting
> you so
> >much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way
> Jesus
> >intended it to be? Remember Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the
> life no man
> >goes to the Father but by me".
> >
> I for one have no problem with Jesus. I do, however, have a problem with an
> ignorant twit like yourself who feels that she and she alone knows what it
> means to be a "Christian." You're so ate up with yourself that you're blind
> to the how others see your actions. Your words are full of hate and lies.
> It takes more than going to church and singing hymns to be a Christian -- it
> takes actions -- and your actions here speak volumes about how
> un-Christian-like you are. I strongly suggest you do some serious Bible
> study -- especially about the sections that deal with judging others.
> Perhaps then you'll see how far short of the mark you fall when it comes to
> being a REAL Christian.
Valerie Gould
God.
Valerie Gould
says I am the way the truth and the life no man goes to the father but by me. I did
not die on the cross for you Jesus did.
Michael, OKC wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:46:58 -0500, in <3781D091...@ionet.net>,
> Valerie Gould expressed the following:
>
> >Jesus loves you and has a plan for your life. Why are my posts upsetting you so
> >much? Are you feeling convicted? Are you realizing your life is not the way Jesus
> >intended it to be?
>
> Are you dumb or simply stupid, Val? The people here are upset because they've
> put up with countless bible thumpers over the years and they have no desire to
> listen to yet another one. Religion is a deeply personal issue to most people
> and when some half-wit such as yourself parades into a room and starts telling
> people they're going to hell if they don't believe exactly as you do you're
> going to have to expect to piss off more than a few people. This is basic
> interpersonal relationship theory, psychology, and sociology... if you can't
> grasp it there is little any of us can do to help you.
>
> Michael OKC
Valerie Gould
mayrter. That is the highest honor in heaven. I am not ashamed of the
mayrters.
And there will be more in our day.
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> more from the BOSG:
>
> Sounds Crazy? You bet! The early Christians sounded SO crazy to the
> Romans that they were used as lion fodder. Modern day Christians seem
> to have forgotten that; plenty of them would like to see US thrown to
> the bulldozers. Oh, sure, we blaspheme like crazyagainst the gods. But
> that's exactly WHY this is the first religious text in history that
> doesn't take "the Lord's name" in VAIN. For once, there's a REASON.
> GOD HIMSELF CUSSES!! He's MAD! He's being falsely represented on
> Earth! Jehovah-1's pretentions would be bad enough, but now all these
> human preachers have gotten into the act, doling out notions of
> "right" and "wrong" as if their peabrains could even BEGIN to sort
> such things out. They've cornered the market and set things up so that
> enligtenment in Their churches consists of four basic stages, each
> more tortuous than the last, and when some poor devil finally does
> ghet Illuminated he just reenters the world and goes back to basically
> normal behavior.
>
> SubGeniuses are BORN enlightened and so may remain in the world,
> "acting norma" (it's all relative). They already KNOW the Big Secret
> of most Mystery School: that "divine ecstacy" is arrived at just as
> easily with a backrub, or a good screw, as it is through 20 years of
> ascetic self-flogging in a cave--at least, AS LONG AS THERE IS SLACK.
>
> By now, the average False Christian reader will assume that this whole
> church is the Devil's work. But we're much too unpopular for the
> Devil. He's strictly big time and doesn't mess wiht marked underdogs
> like us. He uses those already in seats of power. The power of the
> SubGenius is that WE DON'T NEED POWER. We don't even need brains. We
> have "Bob," we have a Deal with JHVH-1, we have our own capacity to
> blunder creatively. We're too disorganized for the Devil. If he's
> anywhere, he's where you least expect him.
Valerie Gould
it is the power of God unto salvation.
says How can darkness have fellowship with light?
ta...@xtra.co.nz wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:55:39 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:(in so many words) I want a spanking, Tarla, please give it to
> me:
>
> We may attack your beliefs. But only those who believe blindly,
> greedily or half-heartedly will be bothered by our brand of mockery.
> To question their beliefs threatens them; it makes a secret part of
> them ashamed, and they get riled up and start smiting.
>
> Of course, SHEER STUPID HATE isn't the only things that keeps people
> away from the SubGenius Church. You may simply have more important
> things to spend your time and money on--things like albums, going to
> the movies, a new tape deck for your car--things you'd much rather
> possess than, oh, say, life after death, reincarnality, psychic
> powers, immortality, invisibility, nirvana, communication with Higher
> Intelligences, SLACK, and so on. If those things are meaningless to
> you, by all means, just give this Book to someone else. We're sorry
> you even bothered.
>
> You see, we're not trying to sell this to EVERYBODY. There are many we
> don't want, and there are plenty we can't save because it's too late.
> Hard-sell recruitment for this Church is too much trouble to bother
> with, because by definition tru SubGenii are not "Joiners." They're
> rightfully suspicious of herds. They don't want to be "members' of any
> organization. It's a miracle that we've gotten even THIS far. Between
> the cult's tendency towards secrecy and the one Law that the laws
> change from minute to minute, it's not surprisng that there's no
> man-on-the-street-soliciting and prosyletizing. Even our biggest
> revivals are spur-of-the-moment, bacchanalian brawl-party affairs. The
> telephone is used far more than the altar.
Valerie Gould
Michael, OKC wrote:
> On 7 Jul 1999 13:06:05 -0500, in <3784963b...@news3.newscene.com>,
> Jerry Morgan expressed the following:
>
> >On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:47:28 GMT, Michael OKC wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >>
> >>Stuff these in your pipe and smoke 'em, Val:
> >>
> >
> ><snip founding fathers on religion>
> >
> >This has got to be one of the finest jobs of loon whacking I've ever
> >seen and one truly deserving of nomination for the "Golden Mallet
> >Award".
> >
> >I salute you sir.
> >
> >
> >S-A-L-U-T-E !!!!
>
> Coming from the originator of the award this means a lot. <sniffle>
>
> I shall cherish this as long as I live! ;-)
>
> I have lots of material for this debate so if Val wants to continue down this
> path I might just win the "Mallet" twice in the same thread! :-)
>
> Michael OKC
Valerie Gould
God. Jesus came in the flesh he was the word made flesh.
The true christians who live the word in their lives and are on the cross would not make
Jesus throw up and he doesn't have to come back to get sick He is sickened in heaven all
by himself at the lukewarm attitudes of religious christians.
Amie or KRC wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 06:35:08 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Jesus is the way the truth and the light no man goes to the father except through
> >me.... That is the most awesome message to give to Buddhists, Jews, and Muslims they
> >need Jesus. YOu can worship whoever you want but it better be Jesus. Or on the day of
> >the rapture Who will be laughing last? Come to Jesus while you still can.
>
> And just what makes you so sure that Jesus is the ONE WAY? So far,
> I've seen very little physical proof of any of the folk tales in the
> Bible being anything more than that. Just because you believe Jesus
> is your savior, which is fine by me, does not negate or supercede the
> beliefs of those who do not. Islam is quickly becoming the largest
> religion in the world (if it's not already) - what makes them wrong
> and you right? I'll tell you what - your belief. Hell, I can believe
> the Earth is flat, doesn't make me right. Telling people they're
> going to burn in hell because they don't subscribe to YOUR image of
> Jesus isn't helping anyone come around to Christianity. For the
> record, I am more or less and agnostic with some atheistic tendencies,
> so you'll probably think I'm Satan incarnate, anyway - which would be
> tough for me to buy as I don't believe in a Satan in the first place,
> but that's another arguement. I think Jesus probably did exist, and
> whether or not he was the son of God or God in an earthly form, I
> don't know. But what I do know is that he had some pretty cool ideas
> that the likes of you have perverted over nearly two millenia.
>
> KRC
>
> "If Jesus was to come back today and see all the things going on in
> his name - he'd never stop throwing up."
>
> - Max Von Sydow, in Woody Allen's "Hannah and Her Sisters"
Valerie Gould
The word says in Genesis "The Earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof".
And the word says Only a fool says in his heart there is no God.
Amie or KRC wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:59:08 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >The word says :I am the way the truth and the life NO man goes to the father but by me.
> >Jesus is the only way to heaven and to the father. NO other way. Islam did not die on the
> >cross for you, Muslim did not die on the cross for you. Buddhism did not die on the cross
> >for you 2000 years ago. IT was Jesus Christ the Son of God!
> >Any other religion is dead works. Read Genesis " In the beginning was the word and the
> >word was with God and the word was God. IT didnt say The word was with
> >Mohammed or Buddhism It said the word was God. Jesus Christ came in the flesh he was the
> >word made flesh.
>
> Again, that's what you believe. There is no proof that anything in
> the Bible is true other than one believing it is so. You got people
> running around claiming they saw Elvis at Burger King last week, and
> they're totally convinced that what they saw is true. What makes them
> any more or less crazy than you? You believe that Jesus died for you,
> which is fine. But there are many of us who think otherwise. Why is
> it so difficult for people like you to accept that fact and let others
> be? Why do you have to insult them by labelling them Satanists or
> saying that the religions of others aren't legitimate?
>
> KRC
Valerie Gould
I am not a baby christian. God bless you
Brant Shallenburger wrote:
> <I feel no need to qoute the preaching>
>
> Being a Christian myself (and yet feeling no need to preach to those who don't
> want to hear it - my words and actions tend to speak for me) I have a feeling
> that our local Jesus Freak is rather new in her belief. Not that I condone her
> relentless fanaticism, but perhaps I will cut her some slack and tell her, as a
> "brother" that sometimes what you say in attempting to promote Jesus does
> nothing but turn people off all the more. So, a word of advice: Let it go. The
> people in this group obviously don't want to hear it. Don't force it. You will
> only defeat your purpose.
>
> And now back to Lurkerville.
Valerie Gould
I have never seen so many responses to a post since I have been reading these.
Praise God!!!
Bln246 wrote:
> Jesus Christ wants to come into your life. Only He can be your true
> satisfaction. The Bible says that "God so loved this world (all of us) He gave
> His only Son (Jesus) that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have
> eternal life." To believe in Jesus is to believe that He is The Son of God and
> to give yourself to Him completely. Read the Bible and pray daily. This is
> the only way to overcome evil. Remember there is a Heaven to gain and A REAL
> HELL TO AVOID. WE WILL LIVE FOREVER SOMEWHERE. ONLY THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF
> JESUS CAN CLEANSE AWAY SIN. May The Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, The Love
> of God and The Fellowship of The Holy Spirit be with you.
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3783A16C...@ionet.net>...
>IT is not my beliefs that I am getting across.
Sorry, but it is YOUR BELIEFS that your are trying to get across. You
"believe" that your religious convictions are more valid than those of a
Jew, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Hindu or any other religious belief.
> IT is the word of Jesus Christ.the word
And the fact that you "believe" IT IS the word of Jesus is proof that you
are arguing belief versus fact. You can no more prove your beliefs are the
only real truth than you can disprove that Thor is not a God.
>
>says I am the way the truth and the life no man goes to the father but by
me. I did
>not die on the cross for you Jesus did.
>
And guess what -- you're doing a p*ss poor job of it. It is clear that
your ignorance of the Bible is only matched by your arrogance and pride.
Yes pride -- when you think that you and you alone stand between us and
eternal damnation. And remember what the Bible says -- pride goes before
the fall -- and you're well on the way to a big, big fall.
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3783A5D1...@ionet.net>...
>If you dot think Jesus created you then how did you come into being?
>The word says in Genesis "The Earth is the Lord's and the fullness
thereof".
So?? Every religion and every culture has a creation story -- and the
details vary greatly. What proof do you have to back up your claim?
Bud
Valerie Gould wrote in message <3783A86D...@ionet.net>...
>Amen brother!
>I have never seen so many responses to a post since I have been reading
these.
>Praise God!!!
>
Pete
> the christians around the Roman Era were martyrs. I would be proud to be a
> mayrter. That is the highest honor in heaven. I am not ashamed of the
> mayrters.
> And there will be more in our day.
What about islamic martyrs... who die blowing up buses, innocent people,
etc. in Jihads? They worship the same god you do... and see dying as a
martyr as the highest honor in heaven too.
so are they going to your heaven too?
pete
Pete
> I have been a christian for nine years. I am on-fire and inlove with Jesus.
> I am not a baby christian. God bless you
I was on-fire and inlove with a girl once - but penicillin cleared me up.
Pete
Bud
Pete wrote in message ...
I doubt that Valerie believes that they (or any other Muslims) are going to
Heaven since they don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. If Valerie is
like most other fundies I've come across, there are only going to be a
handful of folks in heaven since Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus won't be
there. And the same goes for gays, adulterers, and anyone who doesn't hold
the same views on creation, literal interpretation of the Bible and any
other views on Christianity that she does.
Personally, I'd like to see Valerie prove that she is a real Christian using
the test in the Mark 16:18
" He who has faith and is given baptism will get salvation; but he who has
not faith will be judged. And these signs will be with those who have faith:
in my name they will send out evil spirits; and they will make use of new
languages; They will take up snakes, and if there is poison in their drink,
it will do them no evil; they will put their hands on those who are ill, and
they will get well."
If Valerie is willing to be tested and survives, then I might be willing to
listen to her.
Jerry Morgan
wrote:
>I too have lots of materials I have the Holy Word of God.
>
Valerie you are the person that dragged out the "founding fathers", it
was Michael that destroyed your arguments with the very words of the
founding fathers advising against the very actions in which you
engage.
You got whacked big time and you know it.
- - - - -
The Older I get - The better I *WAS*.
Jerry Morgan
ROTFLMAO !!!!!
Maybe Val needs one or is it fourteen of those shots of penicillin.
Jerry Morgan
wrote:
>The Bible says IN the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was
>God. Jesus came in the flesh he was the word made flesh.
>The true christians who live the word in their lives and are on the cross would not make
>Jesus throw up and he doesn't have to come back to get sick He is sickened in heaven all
>by himself at the lukewarm attitudes of religious christians.
>
Carl?
Carl, is that really you??
When did you get a real computer Carl???
Anyhow, how's the noggin?
Jerry Morgan
wrote:
>Amen brother!
>I have never seen so many responses to a post since I have been reading these.
>Praise God!!!
>
Heck, this is nothing.
You ought to be around to see the "hog farm thread", "the anti-Winslow
thread", the "TWA Flight 800 thread" or the "Scientology thread" (tm -
El Ron Whosehisface).
Don't flatter yourself Valerie. Until a thread passes 500 posts it
isn't even in the running for consideration of a "thread from hell".
But thanks for playing...
- - - - -
Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out
of it alive.
Bud
Jerry Morgan wrote in message <378b1e04...@news3.newscene.com>...
>On Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:20:14 -0500, Valerie Gould <sgo...@ionet.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Amen brother!
>>I have never seen so many responses to a post since I have been reading
these.
>>Praise God!!!
>>
>
>Heck, this is nothing.
>
>You ought to be around to see the "hog farm thread", "the anti-Winslow
>thread", the "TWA Flight 800 thread" or the "Scientology thread" (tm -
>El Ron Whosehisface).
>
>Don't flatter yourself Valerie. Until a thread passes 500 posts it
>isn't even in the running for consideration of a "thread from hell".
>
>But thanks for playing...
>
Bill Ziegler
Bill Ziegler
Bill Ziegler
Now, now, dear, be nice. She's but a sinner, lost in hypocrisy....
[AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Jul 7, 1999 @ 23:41:37 CTZ
He can't even run his own life- I'll be damned if he'll run mine!
"I don't know why you set up this particular straw man but somewhere
there is pig unable to build his house."--Andrew Warriner
Bill Ziegler
> late. I would hate for you to miss the rapture and be left behind. I want to see everyone
> around the throne of God rejoicing not waiting judgment.
Sister, are you confused? Have you misread the Scriptures? I've
tried to enlighten you, have you no knowledge of the Word?
> > have
> > no desire to be preached to and who are completely satsified with the
> > way their
> > lives are now. I for one, could care less what *your* saviour has
> > planned for
> > MY life!!!
Hiss! Spit! My little pagan, you must learn tolerance. Especially
for heretics, such as Valerie.....
[AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Jul 7, 1999 @ 23:45:53 CTZ
Areyou Thrrrreatning me???
Don't get suckered in by the comments--they can
be terribly misleading. Debug only code.
--Dave Storer
Bill Ziegler
> evidence of things unseen. And it also says that a fool says in his heart there is no
> God. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I am not ashamed of my God are you ashamed of yours?
We will pray for you, in the darkeness of your error and heresy,
sister...
[AUTOSIG 1.0] Message Composed= Jul 7, 1999 @ 23:47:10 CTZ
Statue on campus.
If a virgin sashays past,
Pandemonium!