Have you ever thought about all the Jews who did follow Jesus 2000 years ago?
CBN.com – We all know how Jesus mourned over Jerusalem, cursed Capernaum over its indifference, and was chased out of His hometown of Nazareth and unceremoniously asked to leave the Gadarenes.
From day one, the religious rulers of Israel were on his case. They abhorred his healing on the Sabbath day. They resented the fact that his disciples did not always carry out ceremonial washings before eating. Most of all they were intensely jealous of Jesus' popularity. And they found insufferable the possibility that their nation might turn to Him.
Moreover, Jesus hated the behavior of many of the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees. He condemned their love of fame and privilege, their desire to be venerated, adulated and adored. He found their self-righteousness and their ambition to keep power and position in their hands insufferable. He abhorred their love of money, their stealing from the poor among the Jewish people and their disregard of justice and true love of God.
But have we ever considered just how many Jewish citizens of Israel did love and follow him during those three short years that he ministered in Israel, healing the sick and preaching repentance from sin?
The Gospels tell us, as soon as Jesus began his full-scale ministry, He was immediately surrounded by literally thousands of Jewish people. The New Testament records some of the events that occurred while great multitudes listened, watched and followed Him.
They came from every part of Israel and walked days to see Him. Clearly, the multitudes were needy and spiritually hungry for the things of God.
As he taught and healed, the throngs grew and "there was a great multitude of His disciples, and a great throng of people from all Judea and Jerusalem and the coastal region of Tyre and Sidon [Lebanon],…and all the multitude were trying to touch Him… Luke 6:17,19
How can we imagine the feelings of the poor and the hopeless among the Jewish people who wanted to hear Him, but couldn't get close enough to do so… with no microphones, speakers or auditoriums? Yet the multitudes continued to come. They saw the sick healed and they said, "Nothing like this was ever seen in Israel." Matt. 9:33
Because of the crowds, men of faith climbed a roof of somebody's house, tore it apart, and let down a cot with a paralyzed man.
Because of the great crowds, Jesus got in a boat and taught the people on the shore so that more could hear His voice.
His own family, totally bewildered by the mammoth crowds, did not know what to make of Him.
And so the crowds continued, and the healings and teachings drew them to God: "Great multitudes came to Him,…the multitude marveled at the healings and miracles that the Lord performed, "and they glorified the God of Israel".
But just how big were these crowds? One of the two times we are given an actual number, we are told that a multitude followed Jesus around for three whole days in a desolate place - without food. Surely, then, this would have been one of his smaller crowds. Yet we are told that there were 4,000 men - anywhere from 8-12,000 people following Jesus.
At times, Jesus tried to get away from the crowd to be by Himself, but the multitudes wouldn't let Him. They followed Him everywhere. On one occasion, His disciples advised Jesus to send a mass of people home. Again, they were in a desolate place with no food. How many were in the crowd that Jesus Himself fed? The record says 5,000 plus women and children - probably between 10,000 - 15,000.
Luke says that "so many thousands of the multitude gathered together they were stepping on each other." 12:1 Another time, when Jesus reached the land by boat, "…the multitude welcomed Him, for they had all been waiting for Him." Luke 8:40
Imagine, waiting for a preacher or prophet to show up, not knowing when he would arrive - with no McDonalds, no pampers, no public bathrooms, no hotels nor motels. No water fountains, no paid vacation time. Nothing.
JESUS LOVED THESE CROWDS
When Jesus faced these huge, desperate crowds, compassion would well up inside Him, because He knew that these people "were distressed and downcast, like sheep without a shepherd." They were without true spiritual leaders. It was in response to such a scene that He said, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few."
"Many therefore of the Jews [here, read Judeans - vs. Galileans] who had come to Mary and beheld what He had done, believed in Him." John 11:45 In fact, so many Judeans became His followers that the chief priests and the Pharisees "convened a council, and were saying, 'What are we doing?… If we let Him go on like this, all men will believe in Him." John 11:47-48
Among these throngs of the people of Israel were religious leaders who did accept Jesus. Like Jairus, a Jewish synagogue official in Capernaum, who received his daughter back from the grave. Like Nicodemus in Jerusalem, who came at night to ask how to be born-again.
Then there were others who believed, but didn't act, just like today wherever the Gospel is preached: "Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God." John 12:42-43
As Jesus' ministry grew towards its close, Jesus left Galilee for Judea and crossed the Jordan River. Again, great crowds followed Him. The multitude caused the blind man in Jericho to wonder what was going on. When he heard, he instantly cried out, "Son of David [i.e. Messiah] have mercy on me." The commotion caused a hungry man, Zaccheus, to climb a tree to see just who this Man was.
THE PEOPLE LOVED JESUS
As He neared Jerusalem, Jesus stayed at different Jewish homes in Bethany - Simon the (former) Leper, Lazarus the former dead man along with his sisters Mary and Martha. Everywhere Jesus went, there were Jewish people who loved Him.
"And as the multitude followed Jesus up to Jerusalem, they spread their garments in the road, and others were cutting branches from the trees, and spreading them in the road. And the multitude going before Him, and those who followed after were crying out, saying,
'Hosanna to the Son of David; Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest!'" Matthew 21:8-9
Calling Him the Son of David meant they were calling him the Messiah, Root of Jessie, the Inheritor of the Throne of David.
The Bible says that when Jesus entered Jerusalem for the last time, the city was stirred as the multitude told everyone, "This is the prophet Jesus from Nazareth in Galilee."
As Jesus continued to preach and teach, the multitudes stayed with Him - in the Temple and everywhere He went. The chief priests, the scribes and the leading men among the people tried to humiliate him by catching him with some spiritual question that He couldn't answer. "They could not find anything that they might do, for all the people were hanging upon His words." Luke 19:47-48
To make matters more intense, Jesus strongly warned the people of the corruptness and hypocrisy of these same religious rulers. Finally, they had had enough and were determined to get rid of the Man who threatened to put them out of business. But they had a problem. "When they sought to seize Him, they feared the multitude, because they held Him to be a prophet." Mat. 22:15
"Then the chief priest and the elders of the people were gathered…and they plotted together to seize Jesus by stealth and kill him. And they were saying, "Not during the festival, lest a riot occur among the people." Matt. 26:3-4
WHY THEY CAME AT NIGHT
When the time came for His death, a great multitude with swords and clubs from the chief priests and elders of the people came and arrested Him. Jesus asked them why they came secretly at night to take Him…"Everyday I used to sit in the temple teaching and you did not seize Me." Matt. 26:55 The reason, of course, was that there were huge crowds of Jewish visitors during the Passover season, and many of them believed He was sent from God - so much so, that the religious leaders were afraid to arrest Him in daylight.
The multitude that clamored for Barabbas, is described as a multitude that was rounded up by the chief priests and the elders, not the average man on the street. Not the people who had laid the branches and clothes on the street and welcomed Him to Jerusalem.
What could these simple citizens have done against such determined, evil men in their government? Think of the laws that are passed today against God and His Word in civilized countries, even with the millions of born-again believers praying and working for morality and justice to prevail.
Hear the hopelessness in the voices of two Jewish men on the way to Emmaus as they spoke about these events to Jesus, not knowing it was He: "Are you the only one visiting Jerusalem and unaware of the things which have happened here in these days? The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people, and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him up to the sentence of death, and crucified Him. But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel." Luke 24:18, 21
We know that a short time after His crucifixion - 50 days to be exact - 3,000 Jews responded to Peter's message, and after that "the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were saved." Soon after, another 5,000 came to the Lord. In fact, years later, the Apostles told Paul, "You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed…." Acts 21:21
I remember reading years ago a book written by Abba Eban, Israel's former ambassador to the UN and a scholar. He stated that at
> Who is this "Jesus?" > Do you have forensic evidence that he existed? > Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the
eyewitness?
Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
-- Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it."
NF -- "The bris milah is not about sexual mutilation, but who but a sexually obsessed neanderthal would think is was? I what what 'surprises' one might find on your hard drive..."
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: "Ken McVay, OBC" spamfr...@nizkor.org >Date: 3/8/2004 10:12 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <c2id2h02...@enews2.newsguy.com>
>Who is this "Jesus?" >Do you have forensic evidence that he existed? >Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
I haven't had the 'honor' of a response from you in ages, Mr. McVay. How sad and downright pathetic that you would choose to break you silence with the posting of this infantile, ignorant rot.
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
In one age, called the Second Age by some, (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote in message <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com>:
>PERSPECTIVES >The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>By Shira Sorko-Ram >Maoz Israel Report
Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof?
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: nationalfron...@aol.comNoHoaxes (National Front) >Date: 3/8/2004 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <20040309012936.06694.00000...@mb-m05.aol.com>
>>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >>From: "Ken McVay, OBC" spamfr...@nizkor.org >>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism >>Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:12:56 -0800 >>Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org >>Message-ID: <c2id2h02...@enews2.newsguy.com> >>References: <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com> >>Reply-To: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamf...@nizkor.org> >>NNTP-Posting-Host: p-403.newsdawg.com
> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah > >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net > >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time > >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
> >> Who is this "Jesus?" > >> Do you have forensic evidence that he existed? > >> Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> >> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the > >eyewitness?
> >Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death! > Well, there is a vast difference between 'these' eyewitnesses and your typical > holocaust 'eyewitness' -
What eyewitnesses would that be, Bellinger?
-- Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it."
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/9/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <abd98e5e1415c06dd82a31c15d1eb...@news.teranews.com>
>In one age, called the Second Age by some, > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) > someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote > in message <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com>:
>>PERSPECTIVES >>The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>By Shira Sorko-Ram >>Maoz Israel Report
>Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical >facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof?
Why don't you copyright your usual chant, Rogie? LOL!
In one age, called the Second Age by some, (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote in message <20040309180908.06638.00000...@mb-m25.aol.com>:
>From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/9/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <abd98e5e1415c06dd82a31c15d1eb...@news.teranews.com> >>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >> in message <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com>: >>>PERSPECTIVES >>>The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>>By Shira Sorko-Ram >>>Maoz Israel Report >>Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical >>facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof? >Why don't you copyright your usual chant, Rogie? LOL!
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net >Date: 3/9/2004 2:30 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <bAr3c.221760$jk2.784742@attbi_s53>
>"Debunks2005" <debunks2...@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20040309170855.22733.00001093@mb-m10.aol.com... >> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >> >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net >> >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time >> >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/9/2004 3:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <af8ed7099d570509f51a5cd3bf2d8...@news.teranews.com>
>In one age, called the Second Age by some, > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) > someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote > in message <20040309180908.06638.00000...@mb-m25.aol.com>:
>>From: Roger roger@. >>Date: 3/9/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <abd98e5e1415c06dd82a31c15d1eb...@news.teranews.com>
>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >>> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >>> in message <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com>:
>>>>PERSPECTIVES >>>>The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>>>By Shira Sorko-Ram >>>>Maoz Israel Report
>>>Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical >>>facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof?
>>Why don't you copyright your usual chant, Rogie? LOL!
>Why don't you respect the law and netiquette?
Netiquette? I am not the one always calling people 'liars' or resorting to profanity here.
In one age, called the Second Age by some, (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote in message <20040311034013.20206.00001...@mb-m27.aol.com>:
>From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/9/2004 3:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <af8ed7099d570509f51a5cd3bf2d8...@news.teranews.com> >>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >> in message <20040309180908.06638.00000...@mb-m25.aol.com>: >>>From: Roger roger@. >>>Date: 3/9/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time >>>Message-id: <abd98e5e1415c06dd82a31c15d1eb...@news.teranews.com> >>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >>>> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >>>> in message <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com>: >>>>>PERSPECTIVES >>>>>The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>>>>By Shira Sorko-Ram >>>>>Maoz Israel Report >>>>Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical >>>>facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof? >>>Why don't you copyright your usual chant, Rogie? LOL! >>Why don't you respect the law and netiquette? >Netiquette? I am not the one always calling people 'liars' or resorting to >profanity here.
No, but you *are* the one always violating copyright and posting off topic articles which *you* have not even read.
> Who is this "Jesus?" > Do you have forensic evidence that he existed? > Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
### No, or at least I don't have seen them. I also do not have an forensic examination on the murder weapon, the cross. All this is said to have happened about 2000 years ago. But then there are others that cannot present anything like that for millions of alleged murders supposed to be commited in 'gas chambers' 60 years ago. And you know what: These people attack and smear anyone who dares to question there story (something that is also side about scientology). ----
Here ya go,big shot. This is at least the 6th time I've posted this:
_Chronicle of Higher Education_, January 8, 1998. P A6
HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION ISSUES STATEMENT DEPLORING EFFORTS TO DENY HOLOCAUST by Ellen K. Coughlin Chicago
The governing council of the American Historical Association, meeting at the group's annual conference here last week, unanimously approved a statement condemning recent claims that the Nazi extermination of Jews in WWII is a myth. "The AHA council strongly deplores the publicly reported attempts to deny the Holocaust," the statement said. "No serious historican questions that the Holocaust took place." Over the past year, efforts by neo-Nazis and others to deny the Holocaust--through such means as advertisements placed in student newspapers--alarmed scholars. Last fall, however, the 13-member AHA council declined to issue a statement explicitly asserting the truth of the Holocaust, largely because of the strong feeling of some of the that the association should not be in the business of certifying historical facts. Instead, the council called on historians to "encourage the study of the significance of the Holocaust."
Some 300 Signatures Collected
The councils latest action, taken on the closing day of the association's annual meeting, came in response to a groundswell of support among historians at the conference for a more forceful statement against the so-called "Holocaust revisionists." Approximately 300 signatures were collected on a petition, circulated informally at the conference, calling on the AHA council to take a public position against attempts to deny the fact of the Holocaust. "If we'd had the time and the personnel, I think we could have gotten 3,000 signatures." said John W. Chambers, associate professor of history at Rutgers University, who spearheaded the petition effort. Mr. Chambers said many who signed the petition were alarmed at the presence of people at the presence of people at the enterance of the convention hotel handing out pamphlets purporting to refute historical claims about the Nazi concentration camps. Others at the meeting expressed dismay at the AHA's council's earlier failure to take a stronger stand against the revisionist position.
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/11/2004 1:59 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <1f985e156a3e59dbbc00ff92d1005...@news.teranews.com>
>In one age, called the Second Age by some, > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) > someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote > in message <20040311034013.20206.00001...@mb-m27.aol.com>:
>>From: Roger roger@. >>Date: 3/9/2004 3:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <af8ed7099d570509f51a5cd3bf2d8...@news.teranews.com>
>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >>> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >>> in message <20040309180908.06638.00000...@mb-m25.aol.com>:
>>>>From: Roger roger@. >>>>Date: 3/9/2004 2:03 PM Pacific Standard Time >>>>Message-id: <abd98e5e1415c06dd82a31c15d1eb...@news.teranews.com>
>>>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >>>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >>>>> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >>>>> in message <20040308123910.29604.00001...@mb-m21.aol.com>:
>>>>>>PERSPECTIVES >>>>>>The Jews Who Did Not Deny Jesus
>>>>>>By Shira Sorko-Ram >>>>>>Maoz Israel Report
>>>>>Which violation of copyright has *what* to do with the historical >>>>>facts of the Holocaust and your mindless denial thereof?
>>>>Why don't you copyright your usual chant, Rogie? LOL!
>>>Why don't you respect the law and netiquette?
>>Netiquette? I am not the one always calling people 'liars' or resorting to >>profanity here.
>No, but you *are* the one always violating copyright and posting off >topic articles which *you* have not even read.
Some I have read in full, others I have glanced through and posted for purposes of discussion. So what?
> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah > >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net > >Date: 3/9/2004 2:30 PM Pacific Standard Time > >Message-id: <bAr3c.221760$jk2.784742@attbi_s53>
> >"Debunks2005" <debunks2...@aol.com> wrote in message > >news:20040309170855.22733.00001093@mb-m10.aol.com... > >> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah > >> >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net > >> >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time > >> >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
> >> >> Who is this "Jesus?" > >> >> Do you have forensic evidence that he existed? > >> >> Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
> >> >> ...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the > >> >eyewitness?
> >> >Eyewitnesses writing 50-100 years after his death!
> >> Well, there is a vast difference between 'these' eyewitnesses and > >your typical > >> holocaust 'eyewitness' -
> >What eyewitnesses would that be, Bellinger? > Phillip Friedman, for one?
So you have no eyewitnesses! That would indeed make them different from actual eyewitnesses.
-- Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it."
Discussion subject changed to "Nizkor Project Director Engaging in Christ Denial and Anti-Christism? aka Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah" by Fred Ziffel
>Who is this "Jesus?" >Do you have forensic evidence that he existed? >Do you have medical reports of his autopsy?
>...or are you simply falling back on that old canard, the eyewitness?
Looks like you are not only a communist sympathizer and a communist front (proven below with archives) as well as a person arrested for grand theft auto and who lies about his funding (again all proofs contained in the archives below) BUT you are an Anti-Christ which explains why you associate with the enemies of Christ!
ANTI-CHRISTS IDENTIFIED: 1 John 2: 18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists."
1 John 2: 22,23 "Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ [or Messiah]? These things I write you about those who are trying to mislead you!"
1 John 4: 2,3 "You gain knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God, Furthermore this is the antichrist's inspired expression which you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
Everyone compare the last two scriptures to Ken McVay's own words:
>Who is this "Jesus?" >Do you have forensic evidence that he existed?
Not only are you an Anti-Christ but you are a communist sympathizer and a communist front who is in part funded by B'nai Brith who has provided the communist agenda with financial support:
Your Anti-Christic views mirror those of both B'nai Brith and its ADL who also "grieved" the collapse of communism as being a source of rising anti-semitism!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm0... Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial... Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08h...@4ax.com> Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well! http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=1i7810p 7itigphaaq2aogggv9r7mjlg...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125 Message-ID: <1i7810p7itigphaaq2aogggv9r7mjlg...@4ax.com> Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
---Collapse of Communism contributing to the rise of anti-Semitism?--- http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASInt_13/2966_13.asp (Link active January 21, 2003. Archived locally as: 2966_13) Press Release Anti-Semitism-International "...The collapse of communism has brought rapid, often radical change throughout Central and Eastern Europe and poses a growing threat to the security of the reemerging Jewish communities in the region," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director." <END> What is Abe Foxman suggesting? Is he suggesting communism was a guardian of Jews? Here is B'nai Brith making a shocking revelation: www.bnaibrith.org/randa/unesco3.html (Link was active December 2001. Now expired) The web page was archived complete with graphics by Web Archives Org as: http://web.archive.org/web/20010221074926re_/www.bnaibrith.org/randa/... (Link active December 20, 2003. Archived locally as: unesco3_archive-org) [unesco3_archive-org is a true copy] Excerpt: "MEASURES AND INITIATIVES TAKEN TO COMBAT ANTISEMITISM, 1991 - '94 Introduction. Antisemitism - World Trends, 1991 - '94 The period of 1991-'94 was marked by a rise in expressions of antisemitism, resulting mainly from the collapse of the communist block in Europe and the reunification of Germany." <END> <<I thought communism was supposed to be an oppressor of Jews so why should communism's collapse be viewed negatively by Jews? Anyone care to answer that?!>> Also see: http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=nj3a009 i4aj9ba7vo42enr206bjf366...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en Subject: If Communism Was/Is so Oppressive to Jews then Why Don't Jews Treat it the Same as They Do Nazism? V3,0b S_0114 Message-ID: <nj3a009i4aj9ba7vo42enr206bjf366...@4ax.com> Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:56 GMT
It is no secret that Jews are the founders of the communist ideology and the first totalitarian state!
It is no mystery to me why we never see Jews in general and their lackeys such as you Ken McVay ever condemning communism YET Jews in general and their lackeys such as you Ken McVay speak negatively of Christ. IOW you have more regard for communists and communism than you do Christians and Christianity!
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=51smtvg jk7u1kfqdota1b1eq60kqi5a...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en Subject: Anti-Christ Lubavitcher Jews Prophesy Non-Jews Being in Servitude to Jews (First Posting) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:02:19 -0600 Message-ID: <51smtvgjk7u1kfqdota1b1eq60kqi5a...@4ax.com>
BUT what can one expect from a person who has been arrested for car theft and was jailed
~~Famous Last Words from Jail Bird Ken McVay~~ http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=c1dhpk0 1...@enews4.newsguy.com&lr=&hl=en (Archived locally as: McVayCarThief_1 AND McVayCarThief_2) From: "Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfr...@nizkor.org> Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,can.taxes Subject: Re: Bracegirdles Both Deserve Jail,Also Auditors-Crown Appeals Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:46:13 -0800 Organization: The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
"Ken McVay, OBC" <spamfr...@nizkor.org> did write:
>It seems Bill Grosvenor is still afraid to publish under his own name. >That's because he has no evidence that I have ever been arrested, let alone >convicted, of any crime,
Is that so? Did this Jewish web site lie when it reported this?
"Hate and the Internet by Kenneth S. Stern On-Line Approaches "My whole agenda is to try and remove their market, as it were. They have an agenda to sell. If, by demonstrating that they are lying about a specific issue, I can remove a few hundred people from their potential market place, then I’ve done them some harm." – Ken McVay, Project Nizkor In 1956 Ken McVay stole his father’s car and ran away from home. Apprehended, he spent his 16th birthday in a Bellingham, Washington, jail.... <END> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Oooops looks like you have been caught lying again McVay! The "American Jewish Committee" reported: "Ken McVay, Project Nizkor In 1956 Ken McVay stole his father’s car and ran away from home. Apprehended, he spent his 16th birthday in a Bellingham, Washington, jail" YET you stated above: "he has no evidence that I have ever been arrested, let alone convicted, of any crime"! Isn't being "Apprehended" the same thing as being "arrested"? WordNet 2.0 Vocabulary Helper: apprehended The verb apprehend has 3 senses (first 2 from tagged texts) 1. (2) get the picture, comprehend, savvy, dig, grasp, compass, apprehend -- get the meaning of something; ``Do you comprehend the meaning of this letter?'' 2. (1) collar, nail, apprehend, arrest, pick up, nab, cop -- (take into custody; ``the police nabbed the suspected criminals'' ) 3.
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net >Date: 3/11/2004 4:06 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <qa74c.7279$zS4.60441@attbi_s51>
>"Debunks2005" <debunks2...@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20040311033924.20206.00001343@mb-m27.aol.com... >> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >> >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net >> >Date: 3/9/2004 2:30 PM Pacific Standard Time >> >Message-id: <bAr3c.221760$jk2.784742@attbi_s53>
>> >"Debunks2005" <debunks2...@aol.com> wrote in message >> >news:20040309170855.22733.00001093@mb-m10.aol.com... >> >> >Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >> >> >From: "Philip Mathews" philipmath...@comcast.net >> >> >Date: 3/8/2004 2:18 PM Pacific Standard Time >> >> >Message-id: <Qi63c.210143$uV3.821145@attbi_s51>
In one age, called the Second Age by some, (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote in message <20040313201918.26449.00001...@mb-m20.aol.com>:
>Phillip Friedman, one of your star holocaust eyewitnesses!~ LOL
Are you sure he didn't "discover" the Holocaust, too? Because the Philip (one "l") Friedman I am familiar with as a historian never claimed to have personally witness the events about which he writes IIRC...
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/13/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <85eaf010fd9a343ee316be99cf4e0...@news.teranews.com>
>In one age, called the Second Age by some, > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) > someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote > in message <20040313201918.26449.00001...@mb-m20.aol.com>:
>>Phillip Friedman, one of your star holocaust eyewitnesses!~ LOL
>Are you sure he didn't "discover" the Holocaust, too? Because the >Philip (one "l") Friedman I am familiar with as a historian never >claimed to have personally witness the events about which he writes >IIRC...
You ought to better acquaint yourself with the literature you profess to be an expert in, then.
In one age, called the Second Age by some, (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote in message <20040314141622.10096.00001...@mb-m17.aol.com>:
>From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/13/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <85eaf010fd9a343ee316be99cf4e0...@news.teranews.com> >>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >> in message <20040313201918.26449.00001...@mb-m20.aol.com>: >>>Phillip Friedman, one of your star holocaust eyewitnesses!~ LOL >>Are you sure he didn't "discover" the Holocaust, too? Because the >>Philip (one "l") Friedman I am familiar with as a historian never >>claimed to have personally witness the events about which he writes >>IIRC... >You ought to better acquaint yourself with the literature you profess to be an >expert in, then.
Funny that you cannot cite anything that he was supposed to have eyewitnessed...
And are you going to continue running from the Gospel contradictions thread and hope no one notices?
>Subject: Re: The Jews who did not deny the Messiah >From: Roger roger@. >Date: 3/14/2004 11:17 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <cde89a4c6c1c7dde00f7a05e2fdfa...@news.teranews.com>
>In one age, called the Second Age by some, > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) > someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote > in message <20040314141622.10096.00001...@mb-m17.aol.com>:
>>From: Roger roger@. >>Date: 3/13/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <85eaf010fd9a343ee316be99cf4e0...@news.teranews.com>
>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some, >>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past) >>> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote >>> in message <20040313201918.26449.00001...@mb-m20.aol.com>:
>>>>Phillip Friedman, one of your star holocaust eyewitnesses!~ LOL
>>>Are you sure he didn't "discover" the Holocaust, too? Because the >>>Philip (one "l") Friedman I am familiar with as a historian never >>>claimed to have personally witness the events about which he writes >>>IIRC...
>>You ought to better acquaint yourself with the literature you profess to be >an >>expert in, then.
>Funny that you cannot cite anything that he was supposed to have >eyewitnessed...
>And are you going to continue running from the Gospel contradictions >thread and hope no one notices?
There are no important contradictions in the Gospels if you properly understand them. Obviously you don't.