Yes, amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/77109afdfa9455f5?
... and ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd4a3310cdc6e165?
Actually, insanity is simply a condition of being disconnected from
reality falsely thinking fiction is truth thereby suffering from
delusions.
For example, your quoting Albert Einstein's fictional definition of
insanity multiple times and applying it as if it were true serves well
as evidence that you really are becoming insane.
Ken wrote earlier in part:
>
> Schizophrenia can set in at any time but it's usual shows up in early
> adulthood.
>
> I'm predisposed due to my biological maw spending her adult life in a
> hospital as a paranoid schizophrenic before passing in '66
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/40a1fbe0d8ff812a?
Only the truth, Who is Jesus, can keep you from becoming more
delusional like your mom was.
There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
psychopathology:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?
Bottom line concerning you, Ken:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
And, so this bona-fide physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) freely
chooses to continue to pray for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Ken, a new heart and a
new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born
again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Personally, that saying isn't strictly correct.
You can do something over and over and get different results each time.
Sorry I don't read links --well not when you use them as a substitute for
communication.
And not when they are repeats, and not when you use this forum to flog your
religion.
carole
www.soiltheory.com
The http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER Approach is http://WDJW.net/NotDiet
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/586803cad1f9a3d2?
> If your theory is correct, how come they don't live longer and healthier
> lives?
They are eating less than the right amount (32 oz) of food per day.
Truth is simple.
Carole wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Carole wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497a868598f78e?
> >>
> >> Yes, but Andrew you are using the bible to prove that the bible is true.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > Testing what is written in the Bible happens outside the Bible and is
> > not using the Bible to prove that the Bible is true.
> >
> > With all due love and respect, can you, Carole, publicly say "Jesus is
> > LORD" with your mouth?
>
> But andrew ...
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56d1eedaf9326580?
Didn't think you could:
May GOD soften your heart so that you, Carole, would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
Haha, I was reading this and thought, "hey chung hasn't got communications
problems after all". Then I looked again and it was bob.
>
> Carole, when you take a coin and flip 100 times, the results are
> predictable to a point, in 100 or 1000, the result are nearly the
> same. to expect at sometime for something to fall out of the field of
> statistical prediction is insanity.
Sure, flipping a coin gives you 50% chance, but yet there are some odds
where something only occurs 1 in 100, or may even be random.
>
> Industry does use those statistic predictions to project Mean time
> failure rates. Life insurance Companies use the Statistical
> predictions to make sure they get the maximum use of your money while
> paying out the least amount of money in lifetime gained. Card
> Counters use Statistical tables to predict the odds of the cards in
> the draw based on Cards already shown in play. Casinos use the same
> odds table to determine when the best time is to reshuffle the deck.
Yes, I realise there are statistical probabilities for a whole range of
things.
It all depends on the test you're running. In life there can be long cycles
and short cycles, and cycles within cycles.
>
>>Sorry I don't read links --well not when you use them as a substitute for
>>communication.
>>And not when they are repeats, and not when you use this forum to flog
>>your
>>religion.
>
> <sigh>
>
> Evidence based medicine versus Conjecture based medicine, Carole,
> which comes closest to religion?
Real medicine or corrupted medicine, which one is the best?
The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch
www.healingcancernaturally.com/rockefeller-drug-empire-story.html
>
> Conjecture based medicine. Your use of soil theory is Conjecture
> based, Carole.
The germ theory was made for political reaons rather than any real science.
Science has been doctored, not just in medicine but to support the oil
industry.
Old man morgan didn't want Tesla's free energy because there was nowhere to
put a meter on it.
Like what goes on these days, the big boys influence the processes so they
can make big bucks.
>
> I will say you poking at Chung is one of the biggest cases of PKB on
> the net. And Funny to Boot.
There's just not much happening on mha at the moment.
All that is left is chung, ironjustice and jan.
I'm not going to poke fun at jan because she is one of the few alties left.
BTW PKB?
carole
www.conspiracee.com
>
>
> --
> Bob Officer
> Posting the truth
> http://www.skeptics.com.au
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/586803cad1f9a3d2?
Truth is simple.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56d1eedaf9326580?
May GOD soften your heart so that you, Carole, would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
HeartDoc Andrew <><
16"This is what the LORD has commanded, 'Gather of it every man as much as
he should eat; you shall take an omer apiece according to the number of
persons each of you has in his tent.'"
Omer = 3.3 liters.
Andrew Chung is a liar. This was not prescribed, it was not part of a diet.
It was not portion control. This was simple rationing with penalties if it
wasn't followed.
Andy misrepresents the Lord most High. He misrepresents The Most High God.
Andrew loves to lie about this.
3.3 liters = 111.59 US fluid ounces
Amen.
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect.
We have empirically determined that an omer of food that is ready to
eat (i.e. manna) is 32 ounces as evident by this physician's own life
( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32 oz of daily food since 1997
(13 years) along with many others who are doing the same.
Yes, amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Freckles wrote:
>
> >> Eat more whole grains for a better diet.
> >>
> >> http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/reap-the-benefits-of-whole-grains
> >
> > Eat the right amount (32 oz) per day for better health and wellbeing.
>
> That is a particularly ignorant/dumb statement.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
Not for the discerning who are familiar with Proverbs 25:16 which
teaches us that eating the right amount of food is more important for
health and wellbeing than what we are eating.
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
Here is another's opinion about you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
Bottom line concerning you, Peter:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/63d9553d4c7b8f7b?
>>>
>>> Carole, when you take a coin and flip 100 times, the results are
>>> predictable to a point, in 100 or 1000, the result are nearly the
>>> same. to expect at sometime for something to fall out of the field of
>>> statistical prediction is insanity.
>>
>>Sure, flipping a coin gives you 50% chance, but yet there are some odds
>>where something only occurs 1 in 100, or may even be random.
>
> Right, but they can be predicted. There is an entire profession based
> up developing these sort of predictions. That are called Actuaries.
>
> Random really doesn't exist. What we call random is really not
> random. It has the appearance of being random becuase the time base
> we use is too short and lack of enough observations.
ok, I can see that although random is a concept and it must exist.
>
>>> Industry does use those statistic predictions to project Mean time
>>> failure rates. Life insurance Companies use the Statistical
>>> predictions to make sure they get the maximum use of your money while
>>> paying out the least amount of money in lifetime gained. Card
>>> Counters use Statistical tables to predict the odds of the cards in
>>> the draw based on Cards already shown in play. Casinos use the same
>>> odds table to determine when the best time is to reshuffle the deck.
>>
>>Yes, I realise there are statistical probabilities for a whole range of
>>things.
>>It all depends on the test you're running. In life there can be long
>>cycles
>>and short cycles, and cycles within cycles.
>
> You almost there, Carole.
>
>>>
>>>>Sorry I don't read links --well not when you use them as a substitute
>>>>for
>>>>communication.
>>>>And not when they are repeats, and not when you use this forum to flog
>>>>your
>>>>religion.
>>>
>>> <sigh>
>>>
>>> Evidence based medicine versus Conjecture based medicine, Carole,
>>> which comes closest to religion?
>>
>>Real medicine or corrupted medicine, which one is the best?
>
> Real medicine is the one which is back by statistics, evidence,
> unbiased observation and repeatable experimentation.
No, if I can get rid of all my complaints with nutritional remedies, what
use for drugs?
>
> Conjecture based medicine is cellsalts, Homeopathy, chiropractic, and
> the other forms of quackery you seem to favor. It isn't Based on
> evidence, repeatability, or Statistics. in short it is called
> Con-med, and doesn't work.
Sorry, I disagree. Do some research outside from another viewpoint.
>
>>The truth about the Rockefeller drug empire
>>The Drug Story - by Hans Ruesch
>>www.healingcancernaturally.com/rockefeller-drug-empire-story.html
>
> You keep posting this even after it has been shown to be part of "the
> big lie" fallacy, Have you no shame?
But you obviously haven't read it - you don't want to know anything that
contradicts your viewpoint.
>
>>>
>>> Conjecture based medicine. Your use of soil theory is Conjecture
>>> based, Carole.
>>
>>The germ theory was made for political reaons rather than any real
>>science.
>
> You have zero evidence to back that statement. if you recite the
> Rockefeller article, it has been debunked already. the entire Article
> is a post hoc fallacy. we are to accept this writers conjecture and
> claims on his say-so alone? The second fallacy then is you use of the
> appeal to false authority.
The system is stuffed.
>
>>Science has been doctored, not just in medicine but to support the oil
>>industry.
>
> Really? and your evidence is what? How can one doctor science.
> Experiments can alway be repeated and verified. The Data check and
> recheck. You see you are using someone else's say so. you have
> admitted you can not follow complex thinking, math and "science is
> too complicated" even though you complain about it being dumbed down
> to your level.
My evidence is that I can get rid of so many complaints by using nutritional
remedies.
>
> You see Carole your own words show you are a person which should be
> ignored. you are not an expert and have no fucking idea what you are
> talking about. You do not have the skills or the desire to gain the
> skills necessary to even be part of the debate.
You're beginning to piss me right off, blob. You obviously haven't read the
bit about the Rockefeller drug empire where he gave massive donations to
medical schools in exchange for a say in their curriculum. What you're
saying is right except for the fact that the system has been bought and
sold. You think it is all above board which it is not. All the major
organisations have pharmaceutical friendly people within them and decisions
aren't unbiased.
>
> If you are an example of the altie, well I hope you never reproduce.
> The gene pool can't help but be cleaner and humanities IQ will move
> up a few points.
Oh, get off your fucking high horse you ignoramus.
You have no idea what you're talking about - the system is rotten at the
core.
They aren't looking for cures for anything, just ways to make more drugs for
more diseases and half the time the drugs and all the pollution in our
society are causing the diseases.
>
>>Old man morgan didn't want Tesla's free energy because there was nowhere
>>to
>>put a meter on it.
>
> Sorry you blathering again. There is no such thing as free energy.
> All energy has to come from something. be converted processed and
> transferred.
Yes, it just doesn't sink into that THICK skull of yours, mr I see no evil,
I hear no evil.
The system is corrupted plain and simple, and you're blathering on about
scientific testing which has nothing to do with anything.
>
>>Like what goes on these days, the big boys influence the processes so they
>>can make big bucks.
>
> Everyone makes money why do you consider it wrong.
Because all the major medical institutions are in effect, run by the
pharmaceutical cartel.
>
> If you don't work, then you are living on dole, someone else pays you
> way.
>
>
>>> I will say you poking at Chung is one of the biggest cases of PKB on
>>> the net. And Funny to Boot.
>>
>>There's just not much happening on mha at the moment.
>
> It doesn't change a thing Carole. PKB is PKB. I don't see much
> difference between the two of you, except Chung seems to have some
> sort of education, and you don't.
>
>>All that is left is chung, ironjustice and jan.
>>I'm not going to poke fun at jan because she is one of the few alties
>>left.
>>
>>BTW PKB?
>
> That's funny.
>
> Jan isn't an altie. she is an anti medicine. She hates vaccines
> becuase they work. If the Alt medicine worked she would hate that.
>
> Years ago, Jan had a chain of Child care centers. then the
> government passed a law and required workers in health cares centers
> to be vaccination, have tests screening and for tb & hepatitis. Jan
> sold her business about that time. I wonder if she either failed the
> screening tests or refused the required vaccinations?
>
> Oh well. Jan isn't an altie, no matter what you think.
I think she is.
Yes, it was a bit low corrected answer below.
> We have empirically determined that an omer of food that is ready to
> eat (i.e. manna) is 32 ounces as evident by this physician's own life
> ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32 oz of daily food since 1997
> (13 years) along with many others who are doing the same.
You are not the measuring stick of the Bible, and you are not the final say
on the Bible. There is no empirical study needed for measurements. An inch
is an inch, a foot a foot unless it is stuck in your mouth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer_(unit)
Definition of Omer = 3.64 liters, got it yet?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_ounces_are_in_one_liter
1 liter equals approximately 33.81402 US liquid ounces.
3.64 X 33.8 = 128.032 OZ
Simple math calculator, hit the buttons and go. No empirical study
necessary.
So Andy, how about you apologizing to everyone for 30 days in the hopes that
you can correct your wrongs over many years with so many people?
BTW, that is eight pounds buddy boy.
Amen.
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. It is described in Scripture that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to learn about it. As we all know, the Ark of the
Covenant has been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years) along with many others who are
doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for all according
to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
Holding to an omer of food per day is amount control.
Yes, amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is amount control.
Yes, amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/77109afdfa9455f5?
... and ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd4a3310cdc6e165?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/40a1fbe0d8ff812a?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Ken, a new heart and a
new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born
again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Rations due the errors of the Jewish nation and the fact that they now had
to wander for 40 years through the desert. As I stated before and with
Scripture it was also to teach them dependency on Him and also His proof
that He will provide and take care of them as long as they fulfilled His
teachings.
>> >
>>
>> 16"This is what the LORD has commanded, 'Gather of it every man as much
>> as
>> he should eat; you shall take an omer apiece according to the number of
>> persons each of you has in his tent.'"
>
> Amen.
>
>> Omer = 3.3 liters.
>
> Incorrect. It is described in Scripture that an omer of manna was
> sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
> future generations to learn about it. As we all know, the Ark of the
> Covenant has been lost to us.
>
You have a PhD and are that ignorant? Try reading the Word of God for once,
please!?
An omer is a unit of measurement. Got it? Are you really trying that hard to
steer people away from the Lord Most High with your own religious fraction?
It would seem so. You lay claim to the most bizarre things known to man, you
do not walk by faith, you do not study His WORD. Fact is that you are
totally ignorant in most things written in the Bible. You pull things out of
context, twist meanings and vainly broadcast that you were given specially
knowledge. Fool, know you not that the God of Abram, Issac and Jacob is NO
respecter of persons? He doesn't give out special secrets for us to benefit
from, whatever we learn is to be shared with the Church at large. Now in
your case you mainly follow the cult of the SDA, yet on occasion you like to
deny them even when they support your website.
The manna in the sealed jar was lost to all but God. It will more than
likely be found shortly.
> Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
> of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
> by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
> oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years) along with many others who are
> doing the same.
>
"Us" as in you and your spiritual demons? I have provided you with more than
one link for reference sake and especially so that others can follow it and
see your naked folly. I eat 32 oz of food daily as well, but I also eat a
whole lot more that that. I can say that honestly and without deceit. You
cannot. Hopefully only a few get sucked in by your folly and error. I bet
that there is not one that lasted honestly for a year unless stuck in a
moorish prison.
> An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for all according
> to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
>
Oh really? Now you call an omer the "right AMOUNT of food"? You are not
calling it a unit of measurement?
When are you going to understand the correct amount translated to today's
terms? HUH?
Do you not know that the Mannah from Heaven was created by God Himself,
specially prepared for HIS people?
Where is your Holy food? Eh? Where is the perfect diet that sustaineth for
40 years being strong and in good health, looking healthy, feeling full not
emaciated looking and weak without stamina?
Such folly you propose, and you propose it all in total error under the
guise of following a God that you know not.
The NT warns against people like you and the SDA who try to maniulate the
spirituality of others via diet and other rituals.
If anyone wants to know the truth then ask the Almighty God Himself. Read
and study His Word both the Old and New Testaments. Do not get suckered into
rituals, chants, spiritual diets, religious concepts. Gods Word will explain
it all. If you lack wisdom and understanding when reading it, then ask the
Almighty via Jesus Christ His Son. He has promised it several times in the
Bible and will give it freely and upbraideth not for screwing it up before.
No doubt handy Andy will snip much of this post in his reply, if he replies.
To anyone reading this, follow the thread, in my previous posts I supplied
links and gave the translated measurements which handy Andy cut out. One
would think he would be grateful as he now could eat 32 oz per meal, but
noooooooo, he denied in one place that omer was a measurement then stated in
another that it is.
WOW! you gave him a "*", he out to be smiling, I'll give him a "-". :)
Post editing is incorrect and immoral.
You are so ignorant about the things of the Lord that the obvious truth of
an omer being a unit of measurement totally escapes your "reality".
You cannot delete my post, so the truth still stands. You cannot delete this
thread in which my posts reside, so the Truth still stands. Most of all you
cannot change the Word of God so His Truth Stands against your shame and
folly. Sorry that you are not doing as well, but you were warned.
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
Yes indeed.
Chung does that when he implicitly concedes the debate, and post a
generic message just for the sake of having the last word in a thread.
It's a narcissistic behaviour, and a clear sign of his mental sickness.
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/77109afdfa9455f5?
... and ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd4a3310cdc6e165?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/40a1fbe0d8ff812a?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Ken, a new heart and a
new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born
again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
You are so ignorant about the things of the Lord that the obvious truth of
an omer being a unit of measurement totally escapes your "reality".
You cannot delete my post, so the truth still stands. You cannot delete this
thread in which my posts reside, so the Truth still stands. Most of all you
cannot change the Word of God so His Truth Stands against your shame and
folly. Sorry that you are not doing as well, but you were warned.
=================================================
No rebuttal from the Word Andy? Not too surprising, You goofed up on this
one big time, we all know Gods Spirit never makes a mistake so the mistake
HAS to me on your part. Which then means you are a fraud.
Any spiritual understanding is now truly suspect when weighed against the
Bible.
It also causes one to doubt the integrity of your medical degrees which no
one here has seen other than via your sockpuppet.
"Peter B." wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>
> Post editing is incorrect and immoral.
>
> You are so ignorant about the things of the Lord that the obvious truth of
> an omer being a unit of measurement totally escapes your "reality".
G is Silent in the Ancient Text, Gomer was of NOAH!
Also the House of GOG!
And what has that to do with omer, a unit of measurement?
The examples you gave although incorrect is very poor at best. Look at The
examples you gave with "G" in it. Linguistically speaking even if the letter
"G" was silent it would still be included with the printed word. Look at the
Latin languages for plenty of todays examples.
Using your logic one could put the letter "G" in front of every Word in the
OT. GNOAH, GISSAC, GABRAHAM, GISRAEL, GANDY GCHUNG, and so on. Gdo gyou
gwant gto gtry gthat gagain?
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
You have no proof of that.
2 Peter 1:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)
20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of
one's own interpretation
Can you read that Andy? God does not allow you to make something up. He
gives you no private or empirical interpretation. God is a God of truth, not
lies.
The Omer of Exodus 16:16 is a unit of measurement. Now an omer is the tenth
part of an ephah. Exodus 16:36 Got it? God stated that, do you dare differ?
ephah also epha n. An ancient Hebrew unit of dry measure, equal to a tenth
of a homer or about one bushel (35 liters)
So you see? 1/10th of a bushel = 3.5 liters, Have you the presence of mind
to clearly understand that?
Now lets convert a liter to ounces, ok? 3.5 liters times 33.8 oz equals
118.3 oz. Now lets put that into quarts, ok? 118.3 divided by 32 oz = 3.7
quarts.
Now anyone can see that you fraudulently base your diet plan on the Bible.
The closest you could come to truth would be to offer up 3.7 gallons a day
of Manna as a diet plan. With twice that on Friday since it was not to be
gathered on Saturday, nor baked or boiled on that day. We all now it is not
within your power nor intelligence to do that.
Now, you think that you are smarter than the Most High God? Dare you state
that God gave you empirical judgment contrary to His Word?
God holds the copyright on His Word, it may not be modified, nor its meaning
twisted to suit the purpose of one sniveling little man. I haven't a clue
about your 2 million approach but I suspect you are mimicking someone else's
diet plan on the Internet.
So now please "revisit' your falsely based diet plan and let it be known to
all that it is simply the figment of your imagination.
After you have acknowledged that the Word of God is true, that you are
wrong, then let us discuss your preying on weak women and your lusting after
the flesh. Every woman should be aware of your fantasies and sexual desires
outside of the Word of God.
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
> of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
> by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
> oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
> else who have been doing the same.
>
> An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
> according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
>
> Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
>
> Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
> sophisticated and smarter:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
"Yes, I would agree, and as I've posted in the past, I've discovered
by experiment that with my typical kind of diet, 2lbs is about the
threshold for me above which I gain weight and below which I lose it.
I'm sure, however, that you can recall a number of doctors
disagreeing with your diet on the grounds that a member of the public
couldn't be trusted not to eat 2lbs of ice cream and think they were
following your diet."
See, there's proof. Just because you have you Ph.D. doesn't mean you
can't succumb to the most ridiculous of arguments.
MU
*2lb Eating Plan mixed with An Ounce Of Common Sense*
Moreover, Bob Pastorio, who has argued the most against the
http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER Approach, did not even have a Ph.D. unless one
in the culinary arts has been since posthumously conferred upon him.
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Moreover, Bob Pastorio, who has argued the most against the
http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER Approach, did not even have a Ph.D. unless one
in the culinary arts has been since posthumously conferred upon him.
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
This has all been about http://WDJW.net/TheTruth
May GOD continue to save the souls of those who are around this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) by giving them a new heart and
a new spirit (Ez11:19-20&36:26) so that they would be born again of
water and Spirit (Jn3:3&3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven by Him so that
they would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the Truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
"Peter B." wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> > Peter B. wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >> > The Great Physician is always right and He prescribes the
> >> > Approach (Exodus 16:16) which is amount control.
> >> >
> >>
> >> 16"This is what the LORD has commanded, 'Gather of it every man as much
> >> as
> >> he should eat; you shall take an omer apiece according to the number of
> >> persons each of you has in his tent.'"
> >
> > Amen.
> >
> > Source:
> >
> >
> >> Omer = 3.3 liters.
> >
> > Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna
What is MANNA???
Murder those who know eh!
MU wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:54:09 -0400, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
> > of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
> > by this physician's own life of eating 32
> ( > oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
> > else who have been doing the same.
> >
> > An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
> > according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
> >
> > Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
> >
> > Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
> > sophisticated and smarter:
> >
>
St Albanes, and the Internet Hackers are not CORRECT, they are Fellowship Breakers,
and BIGOTS!
You were replying to Chung, try again.
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control.
Yes, the right amount control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Cat has you tongue, eh?
You cannot answer the question so you try and ignore it by snipping it out.
It will not be buried in a thread, it will have its own new thread for
everyone to see. Your sin has been made obvious to all, your error of
deception can be seen by children.
You now have no scripture to back up your falsehoods.
You wrote nothing, it was all pasted in.
Deception is your game, the Bible upsets you, again you cannot defend your
actions out of the Word. Your prayers are meaningless, hollow, empty.
"Peter B." wrote:
> "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote in
> message >
> >
> > "Peter B." wrote:
> >
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
> >> > Peter B. wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > The Great Physician is always right and He prescribes the
> >> >> > Approach (Exodus 16:16) which is amount control.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> 16"This is what the LORD has commanded, 'Gather of it every man as
> >> >> much
> >> >> as
> >> >> he should eat; you shall take an omer apiece according to the number
> >> >> of
> >> >> persons each of you has in his tent.'"
> >> >
> >> > Amen.
> >> >
> >> > Source:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Omer = 3.3 liters.
> >> >
> >> > Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna
> >
> > What is MANNA???
> > Murder those who know eh!
> >
>
> You were replying to Chung,
NO!
> try again.
Why, so Hackers can continue to insult the TRUTH!
Howdy, Andrew, Pastorio's only degree was in the level of assclown he
obtained.
Full fledged imo i.e. FF.A.
MU
Meet Bob Pastorio's palindrome, Peter B.
BP (Bob Pastorio) --> PB (Peter B.)
A mirror image:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/af1f2d9f004b20ed?
Just a BP could not comprehend the fact that the ephah did not exist
at the time of Moses and the writing of Deuteronomy for us to remove
the parentheses (for parenthetical) from around what is found at
Exodus 16:36 neither can PB.
36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
Source:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2016:36&version=NIV
"An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
Exodus 16:36
Amen.
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
So you are stating that you are just as knowledgeable of the Bible as Chung
is?
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
Yes, the right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Satan creates his own truth as do you.
Your ego prevents you from acknowledging the truth and it gnaws at your
belly.
Then lets see a little bit that is in your data banks.
Meet Bob Pastorio's palindrome, Peter B.
BP (Bob Pastorio) --> PB (Peter B.)
A mirror image:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/af1f2d9f004b20ed?
Just as BP could not comprehend the fact that the ephah did not exist
at the time of Moses and the writing of Deuteronomy for us to remove
the parentheses (for parenthetical) from around what is found at
Exodus 16:36 neither can PB.
36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
Source:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2016:36&version=NIV
"An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
Exodus 16:36
Amen.
Link to originating thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b016994e4732e3f6?
Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?
Over 90% of the worlds top scientists today are openly non-theist and
that percentage is rising. Over 50% of all scientists today are openly
non-theist and that percentage is also rising.
Futhermore, the vast majority of serious studies of the relation between
intelligence and creativity on the one hand versus religiousity on the
other report a definitely negative correlation between them with the
dimmest being, in general, the most religious.
Those who are still trying to hawk theism are losing market share,
particularly among the more intelligent and creative.
"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church
ruled.
This time was called the Dark Ages."
--Richard Lederer
All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the
politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher.
-- Lucretius
"We must conduct research and then accept the results.
If they don't stand up to experimentation, Buddha's own words must be
rejected."
Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama, 1988
"An Atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a
church.
An Atheist believes that deed must be done instead of a prayer said.
An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.
He wants disease conquered, poverty vanished, war eliminated."
Madalyn Murray O'Hair
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and
willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Epicurus
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived.
-- Isaac Asimov
"All thinking men are atheists"
-Ernest Hemingway
"It is said that men may not be the dreams of the Gods, but rather that
the Gods are the dreams of men."
- Carl Sagan
"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with
reality at any point."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"The first clergyman was the first rascal who met the first fool"
-Voltaire
"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who
had to drown His own?"
- Robert G. Ingersoll
A mirror image:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/af1f2d9f004b20ed?
Source:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2016:36&version=NIV
Amen.
Link to originating thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b016994e4732e3f6?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Then a diet of the right amount of pure sugar should be as healthy as
any other diet, and one's intake of vitamins and minerals must also be
totally irrelevant.
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
Yes, the right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Freckles wrote:
>
> >> Eat more whole grains for a better diet.
> >>
> >> http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/reap-the-benefits-of-whole-grains
> >
> > Eat the right amount (32 oz) per day for better health and wellbeing.
>
> That is a particularly ignorant/dumb statement.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
Not for the discerning who are familiar with Proverbs 25:16 which
teaches us that eating the right amount of food is more important for
health and wellbeing than what we are eating.
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
Here is another's opinion about you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
Bottom line concerning you, Peter:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/63d9553d4c7b8f7b?
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit
Is a drunk!!!
It is because Deuteronomy was written after Exodus that the words
which the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) has guided this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) to write has much weight :-)
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
>
>> 36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
>>
>> Source:
>>
>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2016:36&version=NIV
>>
>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>> Exodus 16:36
>
> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Nonsense! There is no healthy amount to eat if the only thing one has to
eat is sawdust.
Why do you make such things up? Are you stating that the Bible errs in verse
36? Are you stating that there should be no mention of an "omer" in Exodus?
If so then your 32oz=1 omer is incorrect even in your terms.
Tell me Andy, when God commanded the Israelites to gather no more than an
omer per person in their family, and 2 omers on Friday and the punishment
that would follow for those that erred, then how would they know when enough
is enough, too little of too much. They would all be in huge trouble,
especially since you weren't there to advise them.
As mentioned before, Exodus was written well before Deuteronomy.
It is because Deuteronomy was written after Exodus that the words
which the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) has guided this
physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) to write has much weight :-)
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
>
>> 36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
>>
>> Source:
>>
>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2016:36&version=NIV
>>
>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>> Exodus 16:36
>
> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > The Great Physician (GOD) is always right and He prescribes the
> > http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER Approach (Exodus 16:16) which is amount control.
> >
>
> 16"This is what the LORD has commanded, 'Gather of it every man as much as
> he should eat; you shall take an omer apiece according to the number of
> persons each of you has in his tent.'"
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
Yes, the right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Freckles wrote:
>
> >> Eat more whole grains for a better diet.
> >>
> >> http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/reap-the-benefits-of-whole-grains
> >
> > Eat the right amount (32 oz) per day for better health and wellbeing.
>
> That is a particularly ignorant/dumb statement.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
Not for the discerning who are familiar with Proverbs 25:16 which
teaches us that eating the right amount of food is more important for
health and wellbeing than what we are eating.
Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
you, Peter B.:
2 Peter 2:22
Yes, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
Here is another's opinion about you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
Bottom line concerning you, Peter:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
May GOD give you, Peter B., a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel
11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and
Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth,
Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/63d9553d4c7b8f7b?
You screw up the attributions really bad with your snipping and pasting. You
make lies out of posts. No one can figure out who is who, Have some dignity,
OK?
>>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>>> Exodus 16:36
>>
>> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
>
> Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
> gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
>
Any discerning believer knows that God does not contradict himself, not by
any means, whether through His spirit (who speaks not on his own) nor by
speaking directly to a person, nor via His Bible.
> 36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
Why do you make such things up? Are you stating that the Bible errs in verse
36? Are you stating that there should be no mention of an "omer" in Exodus?
If so then your 32oz=1 omer is incorrect even in your terms.
Tell me Andy, when God commanded the Israelites to gather no more than an
omer per person in their family, and 2 omers on Friday and the punishment
that would follow for those that erred, then how would they know when enough
is enough, too little of too much. They would all be in huge trouble,
especially since you weren't there to advise them.
As mentioned before, Exodus was written well before Deuteronomy.
Why do you have such a problem answering posts? People see what you do even
more than what I do.
Man up if you can.
Why are you posting this question-begging stupidity on alt.atheism?
One has to wonder about your sensitivity about the subject.
It was one of your own that added the link somewhere along the line, I just
hit reply without paying much attention to the headers unless there is an
error.
Feel free to KF threads, set them to ignore or whatever turns you on.
>"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:403m56hs5r060k111...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:01:21 -0700, "Peter B." <.@.> wrote:
>>
>>>"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote in message
>>>news:g18l565vr2hd4glg0...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>You screw up the attributions really bad with your snipping and pasting.
>>>You
>>>make lies out of posts. No one can figure out who is who, Have some
>>>dignity,
>>>OK?
>>>
>>>>>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>>>>>> Exodus 16:36
>>>>>
>>>>> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
>>>>
>>>> Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
>>>> gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
>>>>
>>>
>>>Any discerning believer knows that God does not contradict himself, not by
>>>any means, whether through His spirit (who speaks not on his own) nor by
>>>speaking directly to a person, nor via His Bible.
>>
>> Why are you posting this question-begging stupidity on alt.atheism?
>
>
>One has to wonder about your sensitivity about the subject.
One has to wonder why so many theists cross-post their bullshitt into
a supposedly theism-free zone. A group set up by atheists to discuss
ouwn issues, of which there are plenty due to living in a
predominantly theist society.
>It was one of your own that added the link somewhere along the line, I just
>hit reply without paying much attention to the headers unless there is an
>error.
No, liar. We don't start Chung's threads lat alone add alt.atheism to
them. The lunatic cross-posts them to all and sundry.
>Feel free to KF threads, set them to ignore or whatever turns you on.
We shouldn't need to if you religious narcissists could think outside
yoiur religion.
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Then a diet of the right amount of pure fat, or pure sugar should be as
healthy as any other diet, and one's intake of vitamins and minerals
must also be totally irrelevant.
Over 90% of the worlds top scientists today are openly non-theist and
that percentage is rising. Over 50% of all scientists today are openly
non-theist and that percentage is also rising.
Futhermore, the vast majority of serious studies of the relation between
intelligence and creativity on the one hand versus religiousity on the
other report a definitely negative correlation between them with the
dimmest being, in general, the most religious.
Those who are still trying to hawk theism are losing market share,
particularly among the more intelligent and creative.
We non-theists, by being merely skeptics and not raging dogmatists like
you, avoid any need for supporting proofs of our right to doubt whatever
does not have unequivocal proof of its own truth.
You theists, of whatever dubious flavor, by being raging dogmatists and
not mere skeptics like us, have a dire need for, but singular lack of,
unequivocal proofs of your dogmas.
Scientific theories all have the common property of saying that certain
events are impossible, and become falsified if such events are actually
observed to occur. It is the fact that such theories can be falsified if
they do not agree with reality which makes them both reliable (bad ones
get falsified) and valuable (good ones tell us a lot about how we can
control the future).
"Creator-did-it" theories lack both those virtues of scientific theories:
(1)"Creator-did-it" theories are not falsifiable when they are wrong.
(2)"Creator-did-it" theories do not help us control the future.
It is not so much our being non-theist as our being pro-science that
leads us to be anti-creationist. One of the things that creationists try
not to be aware of is that the vast majority of Christians, and members
of most other religions, are as pro-science as atheists.
"Peter B." wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote in message
>
> Satan creates his own truth as do you.
No the CHURCH does that!
SATAN, is GODS most BELOVED Angel, the BEAST according to DEU 33: is GODS
"CHOSEN WEAPON" so Kill the Beast!
And people wonder why the world is so screwed up!
"Peter B." wrote:
> "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote in
> message > No, but I seem to know more that many others!
> >
>
> Then lets see a little bit that is in your data banks.
Hackers already do!
I am the Y'O'Shua, the BHEARE, who is the PALE RIDER, talking of a Name no one
knows and everyone laughs at!
The One Man, in failure to understand the Nobility of, will rush in on and
Murder!
Murder and Kill, two different things, know the difference?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
>
>> 36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
>>
>> Source:
>>
>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2016:36&version=NIV
>>
>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>> Exodus 16:36
>
> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > The Great Physician (GOD) is always right and He prescribes the
> > http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER Approach (Exodus 16:16) which is amount control.
> >
>
> 16"This is what the LORD has commanded, 'Gather of it every man as much as
> he should eat; you shall take an omer apiece according to the number of
> persons each of you has in his tent.'"
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
Incorrect. What is described in Scripture is that an omer of manna was
sealed in a jar and placed in the Ark of the Covenant by Aaron for
future generations to possibly learn about it. As we all know, the Ark
of the Covenant has since been lost to us.
Thankfully, GOD has allowed us to empirically determine that an omer
of food that is ready to eat (i.e. manna) weighs 32 ounces as evident
by this physician's own life ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) of eating 32
oz of daily food since 1997 (13 years to date) along with everyone
else who have been doing the same.
An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
Yes, the right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Peter B. wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
2 Peter 2:22
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>> Exodus 16:36
>
> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
>
>> 36 (An omer is one tenth of an ephah.)
>>
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
>> "An omer of manna weighs 32 ounces." -- Holy Spirit referring to
>> Exodus 16:36
>
> You just blasphemed The Holy Spirit.
Not for the discerning who realize from the above that indeed this
gentile Christian disciple really is in the Holy Spirit:
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Then a diet of the right amount (up to 32 oz. per day) of pure fat, or
pure sugar, or even sawdust should be as healthy as any other diet, and
one's intake of vitamins and minerals and protein must also be totally
irrelevant.
Let Chung see how long he can thrive on 32 ounces of sawdust per day and
nothing else.
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Then a diet of the right amount of pure fat, or pure sugar should be as
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Then a diet of the right amount of pure fat, or pure sugar should be as
healthy as any other diet, and one's intake of vitamins and minerals and
protein must also be totally irrelevant.
Lets see Chung stay healthy on 32 oz. of sawdust per day.
Charlie is doing his diet thing for his own agenda it would
seem, who thinks it's for anything other than his own glory?
If he cared about people he'd spend more time behind his
stethoscope and less time on the net.
Jimmy Alpha
US? There is no "US". God did not punish you for your lie, yet. He is
patient. However, you have started blaspheming His Holy Spirit. Like Ananias
and Saphira you have conceived in your heart to defraud any who read your
writings, and blame your false understanding on Gods Spirit. God is not
mocked, what you sew, so shall you reap.
> An omer of food is simply the right amount of food for every person
> according to what is written at Exodus 16:16.
>
> Holding to an omer of food per day is the right amount control:
>
Now an omer is the tenth part of an ephah.
ephah also epha n. An ancient Hebrew unit of dry measure, equal to a tenth
of a homer or about one bushel (35 liters)
So you see? 1/10th of a bushel = 3.5 liters, Have you the presence of mind
to clearly understand that?
Now lets convert a liter to ounces, ok? 3.5 liters times 33.8 oz equals
118.3 oz. Now lets put that into quarts, ok? 118.3 divided by 32 oz = 3.7
quarts.
Now anyone can see that you fraudulently base your diet plan on the Bible.
> Peter B. wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > Freckles wrote:
>>
>> >> Eat more whole grains for a better diet.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/features/reap-the-benefits-of-whole-grains
>> >
>> > Eat the right amount (32 oz) per day for better health and wellbeing.
>>
>> That is a particularly ignorant/dumb statement.
>
32 oz is a measurement, just like omer. Manna was not whole grains. God
commanded that they eat no more than an omer of Manna a day, each person.
Child to grandparent.
God does not reccommend a diet for all peoples. Satan does tho.
> Not for the discerning who are familiar with Proverbs 25:16 which
> teaches us that eating the right amount of food is more important for
> health and wellbeing than what we are eating.
>
Proverbs 25:16 (New American Standard Bible)
16Have you found honey? Eat only what you need,
That you not have it in excess and vomit it.
Do you see any measurement there? No one else does. It also does not mention
nor teach about "the right amount of food is more importan and well being
than what we are eating." This is another of your self-righteous addons, out
of context and misleading. one might as well say, don't just taste the
stuff, eat as much as you can until your needs are fulfilled. That might be
2 oz for a kid and 8 oz for an adult depending on the menu.
> Here again is that Spirit-guided thought about faux-christians like
> you, Peter B.
>
You are not the author nor finisher of my faith. You even lie when you state
you are being led or taught by Gods spirit. God does not contradict himself,
nor any part of the God-head.
Let us see how many (Everyone else's) there are on the Net. K?
Only valid email addresses need respond. No socks of Dr. Who?
"Peter B." wrote:
> "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote in
> message >
> >
> > "Peter B." wrote:
> >
> >> "Lady Azure, Baroness of the North Pole" <laddie'o'lugh@gall's.org> wrote
> >> in
> >> message > No, but I seem to know more that many others!
> >> >
> >>
> >> Then lets see a little bit that is in your data banks.
> >
> > Hackers already do!
> > I am the Y'O'Shua, the BHEARE, who is the PALE RIDER, talking of a Name no
> > one
> > knows and everyone laughs at!
> > The One Man, in failure to understand the Nobility of, will rush in on and
> > Murder!
> >
> >
>
> Murder and Kill, two different things, know the difference?
YEP, the same to GOD, only MAN makes the Distinction.
Self Defense ain't Murder!
So it, unlike any other is Forgivable!
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
2 Peter 2:22
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
> calories.
Then a diet of the right amount of pure fat, or pure sugar should be as
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
2 Peter 2:22
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ of
Nazareth,
> Peter B. wrote:
>> Andrew, in a fit of pique, vomited:
>>> MU attempted more shit stirring with:
>>>> Andrew, while searching for his vestigial happy button, crapped:
>>>> > MU exercised his sociopathy with:
>>>> >> Andrew, and discovering it gone, uncontrollably defecated:
Peter, Chung transformed himself into a nasty compulsive nutcase years
ago. Welcome to Chungworld.
Welcome to the Wacky World of Andrew B Chung
In Chungworld you get to throw away a promising career after 88 days by
getting dismissed with cause from Emory. Then if you're feeling hard done
by you can post a private email on your website (the now infamous Dr.
Hildner email, repeated from the website into Usenet and so forever
archived by Google). The great thing is that in Chungworld you can
actually go around believing this email makes you look good.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/5a8f36628c734909
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/fcc64b7a7b861413
But hey, the fun's just starting. If Science doesn't work for you, then
use Jesus and The Holy Spirit. With The Holy Spirit, everything you
assert will be RIGHT, and nobody will be able to convince you otherwise.
You can invent the 2 Pound Diet after an inspirational afternoon watching
TV, and later insist that it's called an "eating approach" after it's
pointed out that your diet is incredibly unsafe unless it's used in
conjunction with a balanced diet.
Whoops! The criticism of the 2PD Diet/Approach is mounting, especially
since you're spamming it several times a day across a bunch of newsgroups.
In a science group, someone asks where the peer reviewed of proof that the
2PD Diet is safe and works. Fortunately Jesus comes with a handbook for
just such occasions and you blithely claim that such a review sits on your
desk waiting for the appropriate moment of revelation (there must be a
fair amount of dust on it by now). To add credibility to your claim,
state that 625,550 people participated in the study. To add strength to
your argument omit the idea that these people who wandered the desert for
40 years didn't die of anything else either
(accidents,measles,snakebite,meteor strikes,etc).
Meanwhile Dr. Stephen Nagler is being a bit of a nuisance. Avoid
critising any supporters who phone Dr. Nagler and his family at their
home. Maintain support by expressing your appreciation to the likes of MU
and Rod. MU loves argument and harassment, don't be surprised if you find
multiple MU sockpuppets in the same thread each supporting the other.
Still finding 2 Pound Disbelievers? No problem, claim that God set the
example when He fed 2 Omer of manna to each person. All you need to do is
claim that the Omer (a biblical unit of volume) is exactly equal to 2
modern pounds. When people laugh at you and point out that you have
confused weight with volume (something which you would normally stop doing
in grade school), claim the unit has been redefined to you by the Holy
Ghost. At this point it's probably best to ignore your own repeated
statements about the consequences of blaspheming the Holy Ghost.
Assisduously ignore invitations to compare the weight of an omer of helium
with an omer of iron.
Ignore the fact that Jesus in all His teachings never mentioned the 2 Omer
eating amount. Ignore the fact that 2 pounds might be too much for a
premature infant and too little for an olympic athelete at the height of
his training. It's Chungworld and you get to set the rules!
In Chungworld you can strengthen your credibility by claiming
"discernment" while falling for Ron Wyatt's scam about the Red Sea
crossing. You've enhanced your Christian credentials massively by
throwing away all those years of scientific investigative discipline and
falling face first for a kookology even 'Answers in Genesis' won't touch.
If someone tries to point out that you've fallen for a scam, throw them
the strawman that their trying to discredit the actual biblical account.
http://www.truthrus.org/RedSea/
In Chungworld you can accuse anyone of anything, for example of being
homosexual. All it needs is poorer quality evidence than that needed to
claim that Sly Stallone is actually a Vietnam Veteran called Rambo and
that therefore Sly is guilty of multiple murders. Back it up with "In the
Holy Spirit, I know..." and you can blast away Righter than Right.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7c270e3664959bbd
In Chungworld you can perform remote diagnosis on people you've never met.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6d4abea877843280
In Chungworld unmoderated groups are fair game for repeated spamming. If
an ISP such as Bell South is uncouth enough to TOS you off their service,
claim their subsequent demise as an act of God. If a moderated group such
as Sermo TOSses you, then simply pray that their day will come.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/86fc4dcac13a3206
Still got some spare time? why not dabble in a little exorcism via
usenet? You can practice on one of your own sockpuppets and then later
change your (barely functioning) mind and spend even more time denying
that you ever attempted exorcism in the first place!
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.bible/msg/42625165cb82d87f
Have a great time in Chungworld, spam your nonsense across multiple
newsgroups and giggle madly at the furore that results. Go nuts and try
whatever comes into your little noggin next...
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/0bcb71ebf4136d58
======
Chungworld comes with a public health warning. Read instructions before
use.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
> In article <2qln5655cgtigu0ce...@4ax.com>,
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
>
>> In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
>> WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
>> calories.
>
> Then a diet of the right amount of pure fat, or pure sugar should be as
> healthy as any other diet,
You know better but hey, why get in the way of a good lie, eh?
> and one's intake of vitamins and minerals and
> protein must also be totally irrelevant.
You know better but hey, why get in the way of a good lie, eh?
> Lets see Chung stay healthy on 32 oz. of sawdust per day.
Sawdust isn't food. You know better but hey, why get in the way of a
good lie, eh?
You have empty words, thoughts and phrases. Repetition does not enhance them
nor make them true.
You are running, running from Gods word since you have nothing to back up
your stuff other than shame, distortion and lies.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/49a31d5cd1d9c361?
Amen.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/229a001f65628263?
> Omer = 3.3 liters.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d740c3a4191d3e1b?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/443f61cdd0473b11?
2 Peter 2:22
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8ad3ab8bf96435b6?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/abf1b9d597143cff?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
and then...
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ of
Nazareth,
Again I snipped your meaningless cut n paste post, done repetitiously since
you are lacking in knowledge.
You have empty words, thoughts and phrases. Repetition does not enhance them
nor make them true.
You are running, running from Gods word since you have nothing to back up
your stuff other than shame, distortion and lies.
Obviously you lack a sword.
Mostly, Chung lacks a conscience.
I'm sure you do.
>Don't you love cookies, Chung ?
No.
Instead, this physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) enjoys eating
fresh-baked cookies that taste good with the condition that he is not
overeating.
>I'm sure you do.
Wouldn't be http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry otherwise.
Olrik wrote:
> a sockpuppet wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/90668b5bf621a8a9?
>>
>> You never, ever have anything interesting to say.
>> Go play with your -- parakeet.
>
> A parakeet in Andy's care would soon starve to death.
That which is fed the right amount thrives with less illness and
better health possibly living twice as long instead of dying from
anything including starvation.
Eating the right amount is the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER Approach which
is clearly http://WDJW.net/NotDiet
Truth is simple :-)
Bottom line concerning you, Olrik:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be560056c6c1a223?
This physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) prays for you as outlined
per the amazing Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation
earlier:
May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Olrik, a new heart and
a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born
again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...
and then...
so that there will be...
Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:
Mathematical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946
Historical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946
Medical:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946
Psychological:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946
So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" ( http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry ) whenever we
are greeted:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality
I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state
ok some call it DEAD
that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.
Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat….but
not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few things,
as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.
Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.
Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.
Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.
In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.
I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?