Lap-band restricts amount of food that can be consumed thereby curing type-2 diabetes.

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 9, 2008, 2:35:25 AM7/9/08
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"Each year, more than 6,000 obese Australians are fitted with a lap band device, an adjustable band that induces weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be consumed.

It is well established as a safe and effective treatment for obesity but the benefits for diabetes were less well understood.

Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their condition using drugs, low-calorie diets or exercise regimes.

"It seems that people who lose 10 per cent of their body weight generally go into diabetes remission but this is quite hard to do with medical intervention alone," he told the conference.

The results showed the lap band would also free patients of the so-called metabolic syndrome, a cluster of diseases which embody diabetes, hypertension and abnormal lipids in the blood."

Source:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Lap-band-can-cure-obese-of-diabetes/2007/05/08/1178390279164.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/63c8ra

It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

.. by being hungrier:

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Hunger is wonderful:

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It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ...

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"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

.. for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21...

http://TruthRUS.org/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

May all souls choose to become healthier:

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Here is a simple parable given in hopes of promoting much greater understanding:

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Be hungrier, which is healthier:

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Marana tha

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Uncle Frederik

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Jul 9, 2008, 12:13:54 PM7/9/08
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tr...@finder.com pretended :
> Our armchair gi expert opines:

>
> "Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital
> in Melb ourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the

> procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their
> condition using drugs, low-c alorie diets or exercise regimes."
>
> He goes on to say losing 10 percent of body weight produces the effect.
> Our "expert" adds:

>
> "It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to
> the ri
> ght amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to
> lose th
> e visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause
> of met
> abolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:"
> Truth:
>
>
> The weight loss by calorie restriction in the target population, such as
> the two pound diet, was already a failure.
>
> There is no cure for diabetes, one can only improve symptoms.
>
>
> There is no such thing as "black fat/vat". Having vat is normal, the
> poster has vat this very instant. It has a role to play in normal
> metabolism.
>
> Diabetes as a "cause" because of vat is not esbablished. 2/3 of those
> overweight do not get metabolic disorders including diabetes. It is
> widely accepted that beta cell genetic disposition plus obesity is the
> cause wich accounts for the 2/3 not getting diabetes.
>
> Another item in a now very long list of reasons to ignore the source.
>
> God bless.

Excellent and accurate.

Thanks.


tr...@finder.com

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Jul 9, 2008, 8:41:43 AM7/9/08
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Our armchair gi expert opines:

"Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital
in Melb ourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the


procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their

condition using drugs, low-c alorie diets or exercise regimes."

He goes on to say losing 10 percent of body weight produces the effect.
Our "expert" adds:

"It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to

the ri
ght amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to
lose th
e visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause
of met
abolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:"

Thorsten Schier

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Jul 9, 2008, 5:27:07 PM7/9/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

> "Each year, more than 6,000 obese Australians are fitted with a lap band device, an adjustable band that induces weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be consumed.
>
> It is well established as a safe and effective treatment for obesity but the benefits for diabetes were less well understood.
>
> Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their condition using drugs, low-calorie diets or exercise regimes.
>
> "It seems that people who lose 10 per cent of their body weight generally go into diabetes remission but this is quite hard to do with medical intervention alone," he told the conference.
>
> The results showed the lap band would also free patients of the so-called metabolic syndrome, a cluster of diseases which embody diabetes, hypertension and abnormal lipids in the blood."
>
> Source:
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Lap-band-can-cure-obese-of-diabetes/2007/05/08/1178390279164.html
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/63c8ra
>
> It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:
>

Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known
to be successful in the long run, because it focuses solely on the
amount eaten and not on what is eaten and therefore does not encourage
healthy eating patterns?


Thorsten

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 9, 2008, 5:48:31 PM7/9/08
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convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > "Each year, more than 6,000 obese Australians are fitted with a lap band device, an adjustable band that induces weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be consumed.
> >
> > It is well established as a safe and effective treatment for obesity but the benefits for diabetes were less well understood.
> >
> > Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their condition using drugs, low-calorie diets or exercise regimes.
> >
> > "It seems that people who lose 10 per cent of their body weight generally go into diabetes remission but this is quite hard to do with medical intervention alone," he told the conference.
> >
> > The results showed the lap band would also free patients of the so-called metabolic syndrome, a cluster of diseases which embody diabetes, hypertension and abnormal lipids in the blood."
> >
> > Source:
> >
> > http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Lap-band-can-cure-obese-of-diabetes/2007/05/08/1178390279164.html
> >
> > or
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/63c8ra
> >
> > It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

>
> Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known
> to be successful in the long run...

GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not promote.

It should be obvious to the most casual observer that with each
passing day that the seven figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER Approach
remains in force is an additional day of evidence that there is
success in the long run with eating less, down to the right amount:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/05c0d1705a57da26?

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a


blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is healthier.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Uncle Frederik

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Jul 9, 2008, 7:25:09 PM7/9/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD expressed precisely :

>> Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known
>> to be successful in the long run...
>
> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not promote.

But you are misinforming people...

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Uncle Frederik

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Jul 11, 2008, 9:19:24 AM7/11/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote on 10/07/2008 :
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1179
>
> <><
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/35588

More misinformation...


Thorsten Schier

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Jul 12, 2008, 3:53:26 AM7/12/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Each year, more than 6,000 obese Australians are fitted with a lap band device, an adjustable band that induces weight loss by restricting the amount of food that can be consumed.
>>>
>>>It is well established as a safe and effective treatment for obesity but the benefits for diabetes were less well understood.
>>>
>>>Prof O'Brien, who has performed 2,000 operations at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, said the diabetics who would benefit most from the procedure were those with a BMI over 30 who had failed to improve their condition using drugs, low-calorie diets or exercise regimes.
>>>
>>>"It seems that people who lose 10 per cent of their body weight generally go into diabetes remission but this is quite hard to do with medical intervention alone," he told the conference.
>>>
>>>The results showed the lap band would also free patients of the so-called metabolic syndrome, a cluster of diseases which embody diabetes, hypertension and abnormal lipids in the blood."
>>>
>>>Source:
>>>
>>>http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL/Lap-band-can-cure-obese-of-diabetes/2007/05/08/1178390279164.html
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/63c8ra
>>>
>>>It remains much smarter to simply and freely choose to eat less, down to the right amount, instead of being forced to eat less via surgery in order to lose the visceral adipose tissue (VAT or black fat) that is the proximate cause of metabolic syndrome, which leads to type-2 diabetes:
>>>
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?
>>
>>Then why are you promoting an approach to weightloss that is not known
>>to be successful in the long run...
>
>
> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not promote.
>
> It should be obvious to the most casual observer that with each
> passing day that the seven figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER Approach
> remains in force is an additional day of evidence that there is
> success in the long run with eating less, down to the right amount:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/05c0d1705a57da26?
>

If I remember correctly, the guarantee only kicks in, if someone has
actually followed the 2PD-Approach over an extended period of time. This
is, why this guarantee is meaningless. There are many diet or approaches
that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed.

For example, if someone restricts himself to 1500 kcal a day, they will
most likely lose weight and also keep the weight of, as long as they
restrict themselves to this amount.

The trouble is, that most overweight or obese people have a very hard
time to severely restrict their food intake over an extended period of time.

It is not enough to tell people to eat less. If it were that easy, there
wouldn't be so many overweight and obese people in the first place.

You have to educate people to make the right food choices. And that is,
where your approach really sucks. If restricted to 2 pound of food a
day, people will tend to choose salami over turkey breast, french fries
over vegetables, jelly beans over fruit. So your approach encourages
people to choose foods high in calories and more likely than not, high
in sugar or unhealthy fats.

> May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
> blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
> Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...
>
> ... by being hungrier:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
>
> Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

Hunger is not wonderful, because it leads to overeating.


Thorsten

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Not in the collective clinical experience of those of us who are
actively practicing physicians.

This is why no one has been willing to guarantee any weight loss diet
because diets work only for the short term and have invariably failed
over an extended period of time even in the research setting where it
is known with certainty through close supervision that they are
followed.

Your lack of understanding simply shows that you continue to be guided
by the spirit of error(self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely
right to convict you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Don Kirkman

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Jul 12, 2008, 5:08:40 PM7/12/08
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<c44835df-138e-4b40...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>:

> Thorsten Schier wrote:

>> If I remember correctly, the guarantee only kicks in, if someone has
>> actually followed the 2PD-Approach over an extended period of time. This
>> is, why this guarantee is meaningless. There are many diet or approaches
>> that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed.

>Not in the collective clinical experience of those of us who are
>actively practicing physicians.

Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
practicing physicians*.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 13, 2008, 4:17:59 AM7/13/08
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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c?

>
> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
> practicing physicians*.

Your false witness is forgiven by me.

Your lie simply shows that satan, who is the source of all lies,
continues to lead you by the nose:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray

for your perishing soul, dear Don:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Thom Madura

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Jul 13, 2008, 7:11:43 AM7/13/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c?
>> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
>> practicing physicians*.
>
> Your false witness is forgiven by me.
>
> Your lie simply shows that satan, who is the source of all lies,
> continues to lead you by the nose:


But - Andrew - You are not a practicing medical doctor - it as not a lie.
You are the one not telling the truth -

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 13, 2008, 7:41:52 AM7/13/08
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convicted neighbor Thom Madura wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c?
> >>
> >> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
> >> practicing physicians*.
> >
> > Your false witness is forgiven by me.
> >
> > Your lie simply shows that satan, who is the source of all lies,
> > continues to lead you by the nose:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?

>
> But - Andrew - You are not a practicing medical doctor

Your false witness is also forgiven by me.

This simply shows that you are also being led around by satan, who is
the source of your lie, so that your soul is in peril:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/414170c73b55c2e5?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray

for your perishing soul, dear Thom:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3cef85cf7bd411d0?

Uncle Frederik

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Jul 13, 2008, 10:44:27 AM7/13/08
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It happens that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated :

> convicted neighbor Thom Madura wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c?
>>>>
>>>> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
>>>> practicing physicians*.
>>>
>>> Your false witness is forgiven by me.
>>>
>>> Your lie simply shows that satan, who is the source of all lies,
>>> continues to lead you by the nose:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?
>>
>> But - Andrew - You are not a practicing medical doctor
>
> Your false witness is also forgiven by me.

Ok, so you think you won't die and are a practicing medical doctor?


Thorsten Schier

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Jul 13, 2008, 1:32:39 PM7/13/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:
> convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote:
>
>>Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
[...]

>>>It should be obvious to the most casual observer that with each
>>>passing day that the seven figure guarantee for the 2PD-OMER Approach
>>>remains in force is an additional day of evidence that there is
>>>success in the long run with eating less, down to the right amount:
>>>
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/05c0d1705a57da26?
>>
>>If I remember correctly, the guarantee only kicks in, if someone has
>>actually followed the 2PD-Approach over an extended period of time. This
>>is, why this guarantee is meaningless. There are many diet or approaches
>>that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed.
>
>
> Not in the collective clinical experience of those of us who are
> actively practicing physicians.
>
> This is why no one has been willing to guarantee any weight loss diet
> because diets work only for the short term and have invariably failed
> over an extended period of time even in the research setting where it
> is known with certainty through close supervision that they are
> followed.
>

Then please provide a reference to a study where a low calorie diet
failed to achieve sustained weight loss under close supervision. Would
be great if there was more than one patient in the study.

Thorsten

Don Kirkman

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Jul 13, 2008, 2:35:19 PM7/13/08
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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<0e15c9d0-5661-4181...@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/577937f1fc70e34c?

>> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
>> practicing physicians*.

>Your false witness is forgiven by me.

No matter what you think and write, Andrew, the truth always becomes
evident. Increasingly you make yourself appear to be the spawn of the
liar you invoke so regularly
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

tr...@finder.com

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Jul 13, 2008, 7:24:50 PM7/13/08
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Our armchair word squeeser opines:

> >> Lucky for the world that *you* are not one of *those* *actively
> >> practicing physicians*.
> >
> > Your false witness is forgiven by me.

Truth:

If onegives ones daughter an aspirin onecan say they are practicing. One
can have some friends and relatives who seek advice or even a
prescription, but that is far from having a practice in the business and
income sense. One relative getting a prescription does not a practice
make, or choose any number and the result is the same.

Too often face saving word play is used which is but all too obvious
obfuscation of the larger reality.

God bless.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 13, 2008, 7:57:32 PM7/13/08
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You made the claim earlier that "there are many diet or approaches


that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed"

but now have unwittingly backpedalled to only one, which happens to be
eating less (i.e. the 2PD-OMER Appproach).

Indeed, folks eating less, reducing the amount of daily food eaten,
have reduced their caloric intake independently of the diet they may
choose to follow.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly support the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is simply
eating less down to the right amount (32 ounces).

Your mistake again shows that you continue to be guided by the spirit
of error (self) so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b584f9c6852c5fd?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear Thorsten:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7316eef341ebd83a?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
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Uncle Frederik

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Jul 13, 2008, 8:04:03 PM7/13/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD expressed precisely :

<snip>

>> Then please provide a reference to a study where a low calorie diet
>> failed to achieve sustained weight loss under close supervision.
>
> You made the claim earlier that "there are many diet or approaches
> that will lead to long term weight loss, as long as they are followed"
> but now have unwittingly backpedalled to only one, which happens to be
> eating less (i.e. the 2PD-OMER Appproach).

Incorrect. If it were, it would be called the Eating-less-approach -
not 2 pound diet approach.

Truth is simple and you're a liar.

tr...@finder.com

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Jul 13, 2008, 8:52:49 PM7/13/08
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Our armchair dietition promotes the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc.:

Truth:

It can not work as has been demonstrated here many times. It violates
God's laws of energy and human matabolism. God could care less how many 7
figure prizes are said to exist. He is saddened by the rhetorical
footwork,ex. over 600 k success stories, used in its promotion.

It would be amusing if it were not so sad to retell again the step by step
invention of the two pound diet as it morphed into its present day trash
science and distortions/misuses of scripture. That has been done before
in detail. At each step in its evolution its inventor was mistaken in
points of logic and fact, which when each new point was added to those
before only amplified the gross errors in logic and fact going before.

It is sad also as it parallels the progression over time of several years
of a human disorder from which the inventor suffers. As it progressed the
two pound diet became less andless tied to reality and was more and more a
symptom of the distortions of perception the disorder presents.

One could draw parallel curves for the progression of the disorder and the
growing unreality of the two pound diet almost in a stepwise manner over
the same period of years.


I suggest we pray for he who suffers. May God bless and protect and heal.
Amen

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Uncle Frederik

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Jul 13, 2008, 10:19:22 PM7/13/08
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After serious thinking tr...@finder.com wrote :

A very interesting observation indeed. Thanks.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 14, 2008, 6:36:32 AM7/14/08
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Aaron

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Jul 15, 2008, 8:40:57 AM7/15/08
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No, he is NOT any kind of doctor. Any real doctor and most diabetics
know that restricting the amount of food eaten will not cure type 2
diabetes.

Also, Chung is obsessed with Satan - just looks at the titles of his
posts. "When you become obsessed with the enemy, you become the
enemy." Hmm...

Personally, I suspect that Chung may be mentally retarded and
psychotic. Of course, it could just be one of those two. Then again
maybe he is an Atheist who thinks it is funny to make Theists look
foolish?


>

Truth

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Thorsten Schier

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD schrieb:

Yes.

> but now have unwittingly backpedalled to only one,

I did this because you seemed to claim that _any_ weight loss diet would
work only for the short term, even if it where followed under close
supervision in a study. Therefor I chose the kind of weight loss diet
that is easiest to designe and where success is almost guaranteed,
although not the easiest to adhere to, that is a low calore diet that
focuses on counting calories and sets the limit of calories sufficiently
low. There are other diet and approaches that would work, like low carb
diets, but there is more room for variation and error and it might be
possible to make a badly designed study on such an an approach, where
people don't keep their weight off.

> which happens to be
> eating less (i.e. the 2PD-OMER Appproach).
>

No, I didn't ask for a study or an approach where people ate "less", in
the sense you mean, that is lower weight. In fact, I believe that those
diets are most successful in the long run are the ones that allow people
to avoid being hungry. One way to achieve this is to encourage low
calorie foods like broccoli, cabbage and lean meat. A diet based on such
foods would be satieting and low in calories and thus be leading to
weight loss, but it would not be low in weight or volume.

So, not every low calorie diet involves a reduction in the amount eaten.

> Indeed, folks eating less, reducing the amount of daily food eaten,
> have reduced their caloric intake independently of the diet they may
> choose to follow.

If people reduce the amount they eat, without changing their diet
composition, they will consume fewer calories, that much is true, it's a
matter of simple mathematics. This does not say anything about whether
the reduction is enough to induce significant weight loss or whether the
resulting diet is healthy at all. More likely than not, people who are
asked to eat less, _will_ change what they eat and will tend to choose
foods higher in calories in order to avoid hunger.


Thorsten

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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convicted neighbor Thorsten Schier wrote in part:
> Andrew,in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/56f2a06af6c93344?

>
> If people reduce the amount they eat, without changing their diet
> composition, they will consume fewer calories, that much is true, it's a
> matter of simple mathematics. This does not say anything about whether
> the reduction is enough to induce significant weight loss or whether the
> resulting diet is healthy at all. More likely than not, people who are
> asked to eat less, _will_ change what they eat and will tend to choose
> foods higher in calories in order to avoid hunger.

If the latter were true, the lap-banding surgery would not be working
because the patient "will tend to choose foods higher in calories in
order to avoid hunger" when physically forced to eat less because the
banding has reduced the pain-free capacity of their stomachs.

Instead, people tend to choose food that they enjoy eating, which
makes them want even more so that they are hungrier (healthier).

This is why lap-banding invariably works.

This is also why the 2PD-OMER Approach invariably works.

It remains logically consistent that being forced to eat less should
be the same as freely choosing to eat less as far as the body is
concerned.

May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is healthier.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

%

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are women attracted to you


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 15, 2008, 5:33:17 PM7/15/08
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convicted neighbor % wrote:
> are women attracted to you

My wife is attracted to me :-)

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray

for your perishing soul, dear %:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

%

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

well everybody makes mistakes i guess ,
oh and don't pray for me i don't need it ,
save it for someone that does or i'll killfile you


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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> well everybody makes mistakes i guess ,

If you still end up in hell, it would be your choice and not our
mistake for praying that you be moved to make the right free-will
choice of seeking GOD's forgiveness...

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven

... by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcb058da12bb3f3d

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

%

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>>
>> well everybody makes mistakes i guess ,
>
> If I still end up in hell, it would be my choice and not yours
>

i'm sorry you made such a big mistake


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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convicted neighbor % wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e18bed3765e1110c?

> >
>
> If I still end up in hell, it would be my choice and not yours

As it was for our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/144a9929eb37ee47?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray
for your perishing soul, dear %:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/13497233ce5242cd?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

%

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> convicted neighbor % wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> If I still end up in hell, it would be my choice and not yours
>
> As it was for our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio:
>


i'm sorry your life is so sad


tr...@finder.com

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Jul 16, 2008, 1:20:14 PM7/16/08
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Our armchair logician scratches his head and opines:

"This is why lap-banding invariably works.

This is also why the 2PD-OMER Approach invariably works.

It remains logically consistent that being forced to eat less should
be the same as freely choosing to eat less as far as the body is
concerned."

Truth:

The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. violates God's laws of energy and human
metabolism.

Two pounds is 907 grams. Carbohydrates and protein have 4 calories per
gram while fat has 9.

It takes about 10calories of food per pound of weight to maintain present
body weight with little or no activity. Increased activity adds to that
number.

907 grams of fat is 8163 calories and carb/protein are 3628 calories.

A six foot person at the top end of the normal range is 185 pounds.
Which means that with little or no activity he needs 1800 calories to stay
at that weight.

Now how about a 5 foot person who at the top of the normal range is 130
pounds and needs 1300 calories with little or no activity?

The arithmetic tells the story.

Depending on two pounds of what foods of what calorie density and how tall
one is and how active, two pounds of intake can cause either gain or loss
of weight.

The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc. violates God's laws of energy and human
metabolism.

God bless.

trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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HELL now that is a concept. What is your concept of
HELL Mister Chung. Is it devils with pitchforks doing the
Lord's work of punishing sinners or is it the oblivion of
non-existence that goes forever and forever or is HELL
simply the figurative abode of the dead from which the
dead arise on the Last Day?

Please enlighten us..

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 16, 2008, 10:49:31 PM7/16/08
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convicted neighbor % wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68ad61fa7eb7?

>
> i'm sorry your life is so sad

Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of
sadness.

GOD remains the Source of all joy and happiness.

There is no joy and happiness in your having type-2 diabetes.

Such is life not doing what GOD desires.

May all who read this also understand this.

Uncle Frederik

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended :

>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68ad


>>
>> i'm sorry your life is so sad
>
> Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of
> sadness.

For you, perhaps. Obviously not for % .

> GOD remains the Source of all joy and happiness.

For you, perhaps. Obviously not for % .


%

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68ad
> >>
> >> i'm sorry your life is so sad
> >
> > Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of
> > sadness.
>
> For you, perhaps.

For all Christians (either Jew or gentile).

> Obviously not for % .

Dear convicted neighbor % has not been doing what GOD desires.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
rebuke you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful


2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know what GOD desires, which is all that is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is healthier.

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?

Uncle Frederik

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After serious thinking Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD pretended :

>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68a
>>>>

>>>> i'm sorry your life is so sad
>>>
>>> Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of
>>> sadness.
>>

>> For you, perhaps. Obviously not for % .


>
> % has not been doing what GOD desires.

He won't be doing what you or anyone desires for that matter. It seems
you're having a hard time dealing with this fact. Unfortunately you
have no control over this.


monkfish

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Uncle Frederik wrote:


Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung?


--
monkfish
* alt.atheism is removed from the groups header.

Uncle Frederik

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monkfish formulated the question :

Oops. Has
something I
said bothered
you??

:-)


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 17, 2008, 6:57:13 AM7/17/08
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convicted friend monkfish wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dd7c68a
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i'm sorry your life is so sad
> >>>>
> >>>> Doing what GOD desires results in joy and happiness instead of
> >>>> sadness.
> >>>
> >>> For you, perhaps. Obviously not for % .
> >>
> >> % has not been doing what GOD desires.
> >
> > He won't be doing what you or anyone desires for that matter. It seems
> > you're having a hard time dealing with this fact. Unfortunately you
> > have no control over this.
>
> Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung?

That is not possible for those who have blasphemed against the Holy
Spirit thereby killing their souls:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?

monkfish

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Uncle Frederik wrote:


I do appreciate the chance to be magnanimous;
but you really should not make enemies
of people who try so hard to love you.

Are you allowed to love those who love you
in your deprived scheme of things?

Uncle Frederik

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monkfish laid this down on his screen :

Why are you feigning
love?


Don Kirkman

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article
<01e24719-fc8a-4928...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:

>convicted friend monkfish wrote:

>> Would you like to be able to love Dr. Chung?

>That is not possible for those who have blasphemed against the Holy
>Spirit thereby killing their souls:

Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
newsgroups.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

monkfish

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Uncle Frederik wrote:


You really should learn to be grateful for everything
and appreciate the love of others toward you.

Uncle Frederik

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monkfish formulated on Thursday :

Can you
learn to
stop pretending
and post
properly?


Pastor Dave

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:08:42 GMT, "%" <per...@gmail.com>
spake thusly:

Listen, would you please do me a favor and add something
to your handle? A lot of software can't kill file a % sign
when there's nothing else with it.

It's not that I'm saying you're an idiot or anything. It's
just that I download messages into a separate piece of
software and so, I kill file folks who consistently talk about
things that have no relevance to groups I read, to cut down
on the amount of messages to sift through and frankly,
I've had enough of the "Chung" threads.

I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. I'm not judging
you, nor the content of your posts. It is just not what I
personally wish to see and so, I would like to kill file you
for that purpose only and not because you've been rude
or anything, so please do not feel as if I am attacking you.

I would really appreciate it and thank you in advance,
should you decide to grant my request. It is your handle
and so, I realize that you have the right to refuse my
request. I have just found that most people use that
type of handle for the purpose of avoiding kill files and
if that is your desire, then I'm sure you'll keep your
handle the same. :) But if that wasn't your reason,
maybe you will be kind enough to grant my request. :)

--

Life has many choices. Eternity has two. What's yours?

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Cary Kittrell

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Hey, Andy puts in a full day of sanctimonious condescension
and lugubrious shows of feigned concern. Giving love on
top of all that would be a bit much to ask, don't you think?


-- cary


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8?

>
>Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
>impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
>newsgroups.

GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others.

It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me.

This includes joining other Christians (either Jew or gentile) praying for your perishing soul, dear Don:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

Don Kirkman

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in
article <1216321...@alibistextweb.com>:

>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:

>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8?

>>Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
>>impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
>>newsgroups.

>GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others.

>It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me.

Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving
according to what I was taught about what God desires of a man: ". .
. to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your
God?"

Which of those do you feel you are you fulfilling in your
self-centered attempts to discredit your fellow men?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8?
>
> >>Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
> >>impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
> >>newsgroups.
>
> >GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others.
>
> >It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me.
>
> Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving...

Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

Your difficulties simply show that you continue to be guided by the
spirit of error(self)...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6c3ca11187d0eb9e?

... so that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a7141ac3ac967fc5?

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray


for your perishing soul, dear Don:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/134aca053227804c?

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4128be9f9918d825?

Cary Kittrell

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In article <288bc68f-1ebd-4613...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> writes:
> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8?
> >
> > >>Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
> > >>impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
> > >>newsgroups.
> >
> > >GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others.
> >
> > >It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me.
> >
> > Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving...
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses,
you'd have no responses at all.


-- cary

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jul 17, 2008, 10:20:54 PM7/17/08
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convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> wrote:
> > > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8?
> > >
> > > >>Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
> > > >>impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
> > > >>newsgroups.
> > >
> > > >GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from others.
> > >
> > > >It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me.
> > >
> > > Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving...
> >
> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses,
> you'd have no responses at all.

Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).

May we, who are Christians (either Jew or gentile), continue to pray

for your perishing soul, dear Cary:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5c7bedfac3f61358?

Uncle Frederik

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Jul 17, 2008, 10:34:08 PM7/17/08
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It happens that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD formulated :

> convicted neighbor Cary Kittrell wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> convicted neighbor Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3d8b70be3f42c3e8?
>>>>>> Oh, surely they aren't the only ones who find it **very** hard, if not
>>>>>> impossible, to love you. You neither give nor receive love in these
>>>>>> newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>>> GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to garner love from
>>>>> others. It remains my choice to lovingly do that which GOD desires of me.
>>>>
>>>> Well, for my part I don't recognize anything you do as loving...
>>>
>>> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>>
>> And without your reptilianly mechanical, rote canned responses,
>> you'd have no responses at all.

I think he just proved your point.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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