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J666

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Mar 25, 2008, 6:58:30 PM3/25/08
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Science versus faith flowchart from Chung's post

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.jesus.christ/msg/06e94253301fb76c

which cites:

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/images/Science_verses_faith_flowcharts.jpg

which shows that faith and science are different. Going on the basis
of the flow chart, the Chung, he himself, cites, the 2PD is faith and
not science.

monkfish

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Mar 25, 2008, 8:48:44 PM3/25/08
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So what?

~monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mar 26, 2008, 3:02:59 AM3/26/08
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friend monkfish wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:

Simply shows that satan's sockpuppets have no free will to do anything
but satan's will and obsess against the 2PD-OMER Approach, which is
per GOD's design.

GOD invented science :-)

May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a
blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus
Christ as the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

Sanity's Little Helper

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Mar 26, 2008, 7:32:10 AM3/26/08
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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:

> GOD invented science :-)

..and thereby demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that: if there was
any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment has long since
deserted him.

Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since God, as a
figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly outside the realm of
that which can be scientifically investigated, and can provide absolutely
no explanations for any natural phenomena. Those who become obsessed with
their own perverse desire to claim that this is not so, damage only
themselves, and their own credibility, and no amount of credential-waving
can alter that fact.

The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no
evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and
references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure ridicule.

--
David Silverman D.B.E.
BAAWA
aa #2208
Lord Mayor of Dis
Lawful copyright holder of the term "Earthquack".
Holder of rights to the stage musical "The Shining".

Not authentic without this signature.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mar 26, 2008, 9:28:58 AM3/26/08
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http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan

is still

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful

J666

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Mar 26, 2008, 9:45:32 AM3/26/08
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"I realize I can't begin to refute anything said here, so I'll simply
post meaningless links to nonsense I spewed earlier." Chung

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.flame.jesus.christ/browse_thread/thread/768856a9f7a454a8#


On Mar 26, 8:28 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"

> Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com

monkfish

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Mar 26, 2008, 1:03:13 PM3/26/08
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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>
>> GOD invented science :-)
>
> ..and thereby demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that: if there was
> any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment has long since
> deserted him.
>
> Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since God, as a
> figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly outside the realm of
> that which can be scientifically investigated, and can provide absolutely
> no explanations for any natural phenomena. Those who become obsessed with
> their own perverse desire to claim that this is not so, damage only
> themselves, and their own credibility, and no amount of credential-waving
> can alter that fact.
>
> The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no
> evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and
> references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure ridicule.
>


Do you believe in Justice?

~monkfish

Sanity's Little Helper

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Mar 26, 2008, 6:08:17 PM3/26/08
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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
news:S6OdnReDBetQHHfa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
26 Mar 2008:

Yes, why? Do you believe in truth?

Sanity's Little Helper

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Mar 26, 2008, 6:09:34 PM3/26/08
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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
news:S6OdnReDBetQHHfa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
26 Mar 2008:

> Sanity's Little Helper wrote:

Yes. Why? Do you?

monkfish

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Mar 26, 2008, 7:23:38 PM3/26/08
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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
> news:S6OdnReDBetQHHfa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
> 26 Mar 2008:
>
>> Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GOD invented science :-)
>>> ..and thereby demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that: if there
>>> was any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment has long
>>> since deserted him.
>>>
>>> Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since God,
>>> as a figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly outside the
>>> realm of that which can be scientifically investigated, and can
>>> provide absolutely no explanations for any natural phenomena. Those
>>> who become obsessed with their own perverse desire to claim that this
>>> is not so, damage only themselves, and their own credibility, and no
>>> amount of credential-waving can alter that fact.
>>>
>>> The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no
>>> evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and
>>> references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure
>>> ridicule.
>>>
>>
>> Do you believe in Justice?
>>
>> ~monkfish
>>
>
> Yes, why? Do you believe in truth?
>


Can you verify justice with science?

~monkfish

monkfish

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Mar 26, 2008, 7:25:07 PM3/26/08
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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
> news:S6OdnReDBetQHHfa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
> 26 Mar 2008:
>
>> Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GOD invented science :-)
>>> ..and thereby demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that: if there
>>> was any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment has long
>>> since deserted him.
>>>
>>> Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since God,
>>> as a figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly outside the
>>> realm of that which can be scientifically investigated, and can
>>> provide absolutely no explanations for any natural phenomena. Those
>>> who become obsessed with their own perverse desire to claim that this
>>> is not so, damage only themselves, and their own credibility, and no
>>> amount of credential-waving can alter that fact.
>>>
>>> The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no
>>> evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and
>>> references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure
>>> ridicule.
>>>
>>
>> Do you believe in Justice?
>>
>
> Yes. Why? Do you?
>


Not even sure what it is.
How about you?

~monkfish

Smiler

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Mar 27, 2008, 12:47:15 AM3/27/08
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> Android Chung wrote:

Nothing of any value.

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279


Smiler

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Mar 27, 2008, 12:48:36 AM3/27/08
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Sanity's Little Helper

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Mar 27, 2008, 5:10:02 AM3/27/08
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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
news:-KWdnZiu1KFoR3fa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
26 Mar 2008:

Duh! Can you say "forensic"?

Sanity's Little Helper

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Mar 27, 2008, 5:23:31 AM3/27/08
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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
news:-KWdnZuu1KHQRnfa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
26 Mar 2008:

The cornerstone of justice is the truth, and there are various
methodologies for discerning the truth, none of which comprise faith and
belief. The material substance of truth is evidence, which is a body of
verifiable facts that are independant of any person's point of view.

Ever heard the Indian fable about the blind men and the elephant?

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 12:45:05 PM3/27/08
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Your justice seems to be rather limited.

Can you verify love with science?

~monkfish

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 12:51:08 PM3/27/08
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Ever heard of "victor's justice"?

Do you believe in "affirmative action"?

~monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mar 27, 2008, 3:38:29 PM3/27/08
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satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> friend monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> >> friend monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote::

> >>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> >>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4eb4de46df65eb0d?

>
> >>>> ..and thereby demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that: if
> >>>> there was any vestige of discernment on his part, such discernment
> >>>> has long since deserted him.

As if you (satan) were ever discerning.

> >>>> Science, of necessity, abandons God as a relevant entity, since
> >>>> God, as a figment of superstitious speculation, is thoroughly
> >>>> outside the realm of that which can be scientifically investigated,
> >>>> and can provide absolutely no explanations for any natural
> >>>> phenomena.

Lie.

Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be
GOD.

Clearly you are the liar who is the source of all lies as described in
the Bible:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Liarsatan

> >>>> Those who become obsessed with their own perverse desire
> >>>> to claim that this is not so, damage only themselves, and their own
> >>>> credibility, and no amount of credential-waving can alter that
> >>>> fact.

You (satan) have been projecting your own perversity:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Dirtysatan

> >>>> The 2PD-OMER approach/diet/whatever is a case in point. There is no
> >>>> evidence-based, precisely measured and observed basis for it, and
> >>>> references to scriptures render it a legitimate object of pure
> >>>> ridicule.

Lie.

The evidence has been publicly presented multiple times:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/Governor

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/2PD-OMER

http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeHungryBook

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee/Criteria

This simply shows that you remain the liar who is the source of all
lies:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Fakersatan

May the following simple parable help people understand your evil:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

So that they can then wisely choose to be smart:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart

> >>> Do you believe in Justice?
> >>
> >> Yes. Why? Do you?
> >
> > Not even sure what it is.
> > How about you?
>
> The cornerstone of justice is the truth, and there are various
> methodologies for discerning the truth, none of which comprise faith and
> belief. The material substance of truth is evidence, which is a body of
> verifiable facts that are independant of any person's point of view.

You (satan) failed to define justice.

This should not have surprised anyone:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan

Justice is the righting of wrongs that have been perpetrated by those
who are not doing what GOD desires. The perpetrators are those who
either have strayed from being in GOD's will or have never been in
GOD's will.

May the following promote understanding of what it means to be in
GOD's will:

http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight

Only those who know and understand the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ, can elect to be used by HIM to bring about the justice which I
know, most assuredly without doubt, HE enjoys (Jeremiah 9:24).

The truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ, is not the cornerstone of justice
but rather the Instigator/Enforcer of justice.

"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
14:6).

Amen.

> Ever heard the Indian fable about the blind men and the elephant?

Irrelevant, because GOD remains forever beyond your reach, satan,
since HE cast you out of heaven:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Stupidsatan

... and so you are forever doomed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

May we, who are Jesus' disciples continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

J666

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Mar 27, 2008, 4:07:26 PM3/27/08
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On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew

> Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be
GOD.>

Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt
used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.

So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then
God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced
a cite which says there is no God.

No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be
that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed
earlier.

You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best
thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop
digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are
not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you.

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 4:40:38 PM3/27/08
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You are mistaken about God.
God is prior to the existence of all beings.
God is prior to existence.

Do you have any idea what does that mean?

~monkfish

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 4:51:08 PM3/27/08
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You are mistaken about God.
God is prior to the existence of all beings.
God is prior to existence.

Do you have any idea what that means?

~monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mar 27, 2008, 6:12:01 PM3/27/08
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friend monkfish wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed in despair:

> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
> > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan

> >
> > Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt
> > used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.
> >
> > So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then
> > God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced
> > a cite which says there is no God.

Usenet forgeries are worthless like satan is worthless:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan

> > No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be
> > that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed
> > earlier.

Clearly satan is not among the discerning.

> > You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best
> > thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop
> > digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are
> > not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you.

Unlike satan, I have no sockpuppets:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets

of

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Stupidsatan

> You are mistaken about God.

It all started when archangel Lucifer unwisely blasphemed against the
Holy Spirit thereby becoming satan and it has been the pits of hell
ever since:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Crazysatan

> God is prior to the existence of all beings.

GOD is prior to all time because HE created time.

> God is prior to existence.

GOD is non-temporal.

HIS existence is not dependent on time.

HE is timeless.

Instead, time's existence is dependent on HIM.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning
and the End." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 22:13).

LORD Almighty GOD remains sovereign.

> Do you have any idea what that means?

Yes.

Our dear Jesus is KING of kings and LORD of lords (Revelation 19:16).

We expect satan to lie about this to his bitter end when he is thrown
into the lake of fire as it is written (Revelation 20:10):

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

Marana tha

Paul Hands

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Mar 27, 2008, 6:19:44 PM3/27/08
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You are pathetic - god is existenceless.

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 6:56:27 PM3/27/08
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Paul Hands wrote:
> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.


I guess your imagination is
too limited to handle "something"
that is prior to existence.

Isn't all space wet
to the fish in the ocean?

~monkfish

Cary Kittrell

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>
> J666 wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew
> >
> > > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be
> > GOD.>
> >
> > Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt
> > used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.
> >
> > So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then
> > God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced
> > a cite which says there is no God.
> >
> > No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be
> > that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed
> > earlier.
> >
> > You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best
> > thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop
> > digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are
> > not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you.
> >
>
>
> You are mistaken about God.
> God is prior to the existence of all beings.
> God is prior to existence.
>
> Do you have any idea what that means?


Well, logically it means that this thing you call "God"
does not exist.


-- cary

Cary Kittrell

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Mar 27, 2008, 7:06:18 PM3/27/08
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In article <532f15d7-c623-43b7...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> writes:
> friend monkfish wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed in despair:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthCutssatan
> > >
> > > Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt
> > > used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.
> > >
> > > So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then
> > > God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced
> > > a cite which says there is no God.
>
> Usenet forgeries are worthless like satan is worthless:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/TruthBeatssatan
>
> > > No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be
> > > that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed
> > > earlier.
>
> Clearly satan is not among the discerning.

Well, THAT sentence was three words too long.

-- cary

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 7:13:56 PM3/27/08
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
> In article monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes:
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Will a raindrop make the ocean wetter?

~monkfish

Cary Kittrell

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Mar 27, 2008, 7:20:16 PM3/27/08
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Does yellow itch?

-- cary

monkfish

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Mar 27, 2008, 7:33:39 PM3/27/08
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I guess you didn't get it.

God is the ground of all being.
For a creature to doubt His existence
is like a raindrop to question
the wetness of the ocean.

~oxtail

Sanity's Little Helper

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Mar 28, 2008, 7:27:44 AM3/28/08
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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir-
iGu3HanZ2dn...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008:

So, your entire belief system is a giant appeal to solipsism, therefore,
you are a figment of your own imagination, and are of no significance to
anybody else.

Suits me!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Mar 28, 2008, 8:46:20 AM3/28/08
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Mike Mordant

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Mar 28, 2008, 11:35:54 AM3/28/08
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On Mar 28, 7:46 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan

You should have studied theology at Emory.

But then again, you absolutely lack the humility to be truly
teachable.

Mike Mordant

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Mar 28, 2008, 11:38:30 AM3/28/08
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Oh but it does have value - as a diagnostic tool to determine what's
wrong with Chung's mind.

monkfish

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Mar 28, 2008, 1:48:55 PM3/28/08
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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir-
> iGu3HanZ2dn...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008:
>
>> Paul Hands wrote:
>>> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.
>>
>> I guess your imagination is
>> too limited to handle "something"
>> that is prior to existence.
>>
>> Isn't all space wet
>> to the fish in the ocean?
>>
>> ~monkfish
>>
>
> So, your entire belief system is a giant appeal to solipsism, therefore,
> you are a figment of your own imagination, and are of no significance to
> anybody else.
>
> Suits me!
>
>

Ever heard of ontology?

~monkfish

Cary Kittrell

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The Aremeanti Cephalopods of Vertign VVII, as it
turns out, are actually the ground of all existence

For you to doubt that, and them, is like a zypher
doubting the atmosphere.


-- cary

monkfish

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>> I guess you didn't get it.
>>
>> God is the ground of all being.
>> For a creature to doubt His existence
>> is like a raindrop to question
>> the wetness of the ocean.
>>
>
> The Aremeanti Cephalopods of Vertign VVII, as it
> turns out, are actually the ground of all existence
>
> For you to doubt that, and them, is like a zypher
> doubting the atmosphere.
>

You know you are not sincere;
you also know I am sincere.

Try again, please.

~monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sanity's Little Helper

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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
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28 Mar 2008:

Yes. Ever heard of dialectical materialism?

J666

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GOD is timeless so if He, or She, wore watch, that would solve the
problem, that is, if S/He exists.

Maybe God, if S/He exists, is a Shemale

Father Haskell

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No one can prove S/He wasn't one.

dzho

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Just curious, but what reason is there to thing that gender applies to God?

monkfish

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Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
> news:xIidndkBfLEasnDa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
> 28 Mar 2008:
>
>> Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
>>> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir-
>>> iGu3HanZ2dn...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008:
>>>
>>>> Paul Hands wrote:
>>>>> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.
>>>> I guess your imagination is
>>>> too limited to handle "something"
>>>> that is prior to existence.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't all space wet
>>>> to the fish in the ocean?
>>>>
>>>> ~monkfish
>>>>
>>> So, your entire belief system is a giant appeal to solipsism,
>>> therefore, you are a figment of your own imagination, and are of no
>>> significance to anybody else.
>>>
>>> Suits me!
>>>
>>>
>> Ever heard of ontology?
>>
>
> Yes. Ever heard of dialectical materialism?
>
>


Does it explain love?

~monkfish

Libertarius

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Paul Hands wrote:
> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.

===>God exists!
There is one in the mind of every believer who created his/her
own idol to worship. -- L.

--
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monkfish

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Libertarius wrote:
> Paul Hands wrote:
>> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.
>
> ===>God exists!
> There is one in the mind of every believer who created his/her
> own idol to worship. -- L.
>


Do you worship money?

--
monkfish

dzho

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Libertarius wrote:
> Paul Hands wrote:
>> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.
>
> ===>God exists!
> There is one in the mind of every believer who created his/her
> own idol to worship. -- L.
>

Allowing for the spelling error, existence involves being finite, having
a viewpoint, et. al. God is infinite, and doesn't have a point of view,
so in that sense at least, He doesn't exist.

monkfish

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It's more proper to say that


God is prior to existence.

--
monkfish

J666

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On Mar 28, 7:55 pm, Father Haskell

> No one can prove S/He wasn't one.

Very good point - so God is a Shemale until they prove otherwise.

J666

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On Mar 28, 8:15 pm, dzho

>Just curious, but what reason is there to thing that gender applies
to God?

I suppose "Our Father who art in ..." and the Trinity - Father, Son
and Holy Spirit. The Bible was written by men before there was
woman's lib. But there is no reason God, if s/he exists, could not be
a female.

Ken Kubos

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Buddhism says there is NOT a God.

--

Ken

"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."

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monkfish

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Is your space-time continuum curved?
Is your credit green?

You do believe in money, don't you?

--
monkfish

Pastor Dave

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:15:49 -0500, dzho <dz...@nospam.nett>
spake thusly:


>Just curious, but what reason is there to think that
>gender applies to God?

Because He is always called "He".

--

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is staying together.


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monkfish

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Ken Kubos wrote:
> Buddhism says there is NOT a God.
>


Buddhism uses awareness
as the main frame of reference.
It is debatable
whether it would come around
to the ultimate point of reference
that is God.

--
monkfish

Ken Kubos

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http://my.execpc.com/~kubos/buddhism.htm

--
Your Buddy,
Ken

"Buddhism elucidates why we are sentient."
"Buddhism follows thought throughout the Universe."
"Karma means that you don't get away with anything."

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Wiser to believe in GOD and seek HIS will:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/JesusChrist

HE is the way and the truth and the life:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay

HE has proven this to us:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/John3_16

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
A latter-day disciple of the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/DiscipleNow

J666

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For people who believe in God, it is even wiser to believe in GOD and
seek HER will:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/GodIsSHE


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Father Haskell

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On Mar 27, 4:40 pm, monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote:
> J666 wrote:
> > On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew
>
> > > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be
> > GOD.>
>
> > Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt
> > used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.
>
> > So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then
> > God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced
> > a cite which says there is no God.
>
> > No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be
> > that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed
> > earlier.
>
> > You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best
> > thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop
> > digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are
> > not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you.
>
> You are mistaken about God.
> God is prior to the existence of all beings.
> God is prior to existence.
>
> Do you have any idea what does that mean?

It means you don't know, either.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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monkfish

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It might mean that
God is the mysterious creativity.

Isn't life marvelous?

--
monkfish

Father Haskell

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Yeah, isn't it.

Who created god?

monkfish

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God is not something
that can be created.

It might be easier for you to comprehend
if you think of God as the ultimate point of reference.

--
monkfish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>
> Who created god?

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
you to unwittingly reveal that you have no understanding of what it
means for GOD to be non-temporal.

This simply shows that GOD is the Source of all knowledge, wisdom,
intelligence, and understanding so that without HIM, you are ignorant,
unwise, stupid, and obtuse.

Laus Deo ! ! !

http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo

Clearly you remain doomed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, Who is, and Who was, and Who is to
come, the Almighty." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:8)

Amen.

"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the
spring of the water of life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 21:6)

Amen.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning
and the End." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Revelation 22:13)

Amen.

HE is the Author of all reality including the alternate ones.

"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
14:6)

Amen.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

A simple parable for the wise and discerning:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Marana tha

Father Haskell

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People create them every day.

> It might be easier for you to comprehend
> if you think of God as the ultimate point of reference.

Please phone a doctor, religion has turned your brains
into a gelatinous substance resembling the insides of
a ripe Hubbard squash.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sanity's Little Helper

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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
news:e6mdnfSQJZpyBXDa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 29
Mar 2008:

> Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
>> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
>> news:xIidndkBfLEasnDa...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on
>> 28 Mar 2008:
>>
>>> Sanity's Little Helper wrote:
>>>> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in news:JeydnWOir-
>>>> iGu3HanZ2dn...@ptd.net to sci.med.cardiology on 27 Mar 2008:
>>>>
>>>>> Paul Hands wrote:
>>>>>> You are pathetic - god is existenceless.
>>>>> I guess your imagination is
>>>>> too limited to handle "something"
>>>>> that is prior to existence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't all space wet
>>>>> to the fish in the ocean?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~monkfish
>>>>>
>>>> So, your entire belief system is a giant appeal to solipsism,
>>>> therefore, you are a figment of your own imagination, and are of no
>>>> significance to anybody else.
>>>>
>>>> Suits me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ever heard of ontology?
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Ever heard of dialectical materialism?
>>
>>
>
>
> Does it explain love?
>

Why do you need an explanation for love? Are you a psychopath?

--
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Ben Cramer

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly hissed:

> GOD does not exist.

HE not only exists...

... HE created you and casted you out of heaven:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Justice

... so you remain doomed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

Amen.

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthier

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Ben Cramer

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:949ba1b8-66a0-4007...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Andrew B Chung (Noodle Nigger) despairingly hissed:
>

GOD does not exist.


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sanity's Little Helper

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heart...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in
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sci.med.cardiology on 29 Mar 2008:

> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Whinersatan

I wasn't discussing anything with you, fucknuts.
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/

monkfish

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Why do you need an explanation for God?
Are you a fool?

Shouldn't you be using God to explain everything?

--
monkfish

monkfish

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In what sense?

Does science exist?
Does government exist?
Does money exist?
Does self exist?

--
monkfish

dzho

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J666 wrote:
> On Mar 28, 8:15 pm, dzho
>
> >Just curious, but what reason is there to thing that gender applies
> to God?
>
> I suppose "Our Father who art in ..." and the Trinity - Father, Son
> and Holy Spirit. The Bible was written by men before there was
> woman's lib. But there is no reason God, if s/he exists, could not be
> a female.

Well, what if adjectives like "infinite" come into play [1]? If you're
infinite then you don't have a body, which would include sexual organs,
hormones, etc. Words like male and female would then be out of place. We
would only be using them because we need some sort of reference like that.

[1] Granted, if "omniscient" is one of those adjectives, my wife would
deny the male gender.

monkfish

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Too difficult to understand?
You can take an introductory course
in theology or philosophy.

What's your field?

--
monkfish

dzho

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Pastor Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:15:49 -0500, dzho <dz...@nospam.nett>
> spake thusly:
>
>
>> Just curious, but what reason is there to think that
>> gender applies to God?
>
> Because He is always called "He".
>

That makes God male? I didn't know we could decide things like that just
by using words inappropriately.

In fact, God is not always called "He". There are, in fact, people who
call God "She". There are people who think all sorts of things about
God. So what is God to do? Does He really have to live up to our
misconceptions?

ne...@buffy.sighup.org.uk

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In alt.atheism Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly reveal that you have no understanding of what it
> means for GOD to be non-temporal.

So god is like the undetectable elephants that live under the bed?

--
2001 Census: 1 in 7 people in the UK is a declared atheist.

J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 8:28:02 -0500, monkfish


> Why do you need an explanation for God?
> Are you a fool?

Some would think a fool is one who believes in God and does not need/want an
eplanation because they accept God on faith.

Lee

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote in message
news:08a1893c-bf4c-40ac...@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...

> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>>
>> Who created god?
>
> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling
> you to unwittingly reveal that you have no understanding of what it
> means for GOD to be non-temporal.
>
> This simply shows that GOD is the Source of all knowledge, wisdom,
> intelligence, and understanding so that without HIM, you are ignorant,
> unwise, stupid, and obtuse.

Why would not believing in HIM make you fat?


J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 8:57:07 -0500, dzho


> Well, what if adjectives like "infinite" come into play [1]? If you're
> infinite then you don't have a body, which would include sexual organs,
> hormones, etc.

Why can't an infinite have a body - couldn't God do anything S/He wants.

monkfish

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We have to start somewhere.
Some are foolish enough
to start with an awareness
that barely lasts one hundred years.
Others are foolish enough
to start with a mind
that can be perished by a bullet.

What else do you got?

Wouldn't it be wise
to start with the ultimate point of reference?

--
monkfish

J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:02 -0500, monkfish


> Wouldn't it be wise
> to start with the ultimate point of reference?


Why?

The idea that there is a God may seem wise or be comforting, does not make it
so.


dzho

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Because there's a logical contradiction there. A body is a finite thing.
It has boundaries, limits.

That's not to define what God can or can't do, but it does define what
we can say, and when we start saying meaningless things.

J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:37:29 -0500, dzho


> Because there's a logical contradiction there. A body is a finite thing.
> It has boundaries, limits.
>
> That's not to define what God can or can't do, but it does define what
> we can say, and when we start saying meaningless things.

But God could still have sexual powers, male and/or female.

We define ourselves in terms of "sex" and so we tend to define God likewise,
but do not have to. So we would need to refer to God as He, She or It. I
somehow think It would not go over in a big way and since men wrote the
Bible, they decided God was a He and not a She or It.

So we can define God as He, She or Shemale or It.

Why don't we use the term "It" as that removes this question of the sex of
God.

Sanity's Little Helper

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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
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29 Mar 2008:

A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

John Locke

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:43:42 +1000, "Ben Cramer" <be...@home.com>
wrote:
>GOD does not exist.
..only in the deranged minds of the religious.


"It is far better to grasp the Universe
as it really is than to persist in delusion,
however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

dzho

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J666 wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:37:29 -0500, dzho
>
>
>> Because there's a logical contradiction there. A body is a finite thing.
>> It has boundaries, limits.
>>
>> That's not to define what God can or can't do, but it does define what
>> we can say, and when we start saying meaningless things.
>
> But God could still have sexual powers, male and/or female.

Ok, maybe I'm missing your point. In what way would it make sense to say
that an infinite being has sexual powers, given that "sexual powers" is
an attribute of finite human beings?

> We define ourselves in terms of "sex" and so we tend to define God likewise,
> but do not have to. So we would need to refer to God as He, She or It. I
> somehow think It would not go over in a big way and since men wrote the
> Bible, they decided God was a He and not a She or It.

Personally, I think there's more to it than just that (although that's
probably one reason). In human terms, male and female had certain well
defined relationships. The male was the provider, the leader, the
father. I don't mind if you want to say that's outmoded, but I think
things were revealed that way so that people could understand the
relationship between them and God the way He wanted them to.

> So we can define God as He, She or Shemale or It.

We can define God in whatever way we want, but our definitions are just
that.

> Why don't we use the term "It" as that removes this question of the sex of
> God.

I like what Augustine said. If I can take some liberty paraphrasing him,
whatever we say about God is wrong

http://www.catholicculture.org/library/fathers/view.cfm?recnum=3330

We depend on Him, He doesn't depend on us.

monkfish

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We have to start somewhere.
Our awareness seems to be certain
but clearly does not last that long.
It even goes to sleep everyday.
Our mind is so fragile as to go crazy
if we don't eat for several days.
Wouldn't it be better
if we start with the ultimate frame of reference,
whatever that might be?

So, let's call it God,
and give it all the power it needs
to help us understand life;
until we know better, of course.

We can start by saying that
the universe is created
by a mysterious creativity
that is prior to all existence.
We are created in its "image".
So, we can "listen" to it
if we do so with humility and patience.

Got any better ideas?

--
monkfish

monkfish

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You have an attitude problem.
You are not seeking the truth.
You are trying to sell your blind faith.

Let's reason about this.
What is the most certain thing you know?
What is it that you are certain that it does exist?

--
monkfish

Sanity's Little Helper

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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
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Mar 2008:

No, that's you, fucknuts.

> Let's reason about this.
> What is the most certain thing you know?

That you are hell bent on making an abject fool of yourself,

> What is it that you are certain that it does exist?
>

Your absolute lack of intellectual and moral honesty and integrity.

monkfish

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Can you at least prove that you exist?

--
monkfish

Sanity's Little Helper

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monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in
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29 Mar 2008:

Yes.

Cary Kittrell

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In article <juSdndAYf7yjy3Da...@ptd.net> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes:
> Cary Kittrell wrote:
> > In article <tsmdndq3KuNOs3Ha...@ptd.net> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes:
> >> Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >>> In article <tsmdnd23KuOpt3Ha...@ptd.net> monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes:
> >>>> Cary Kittrell wrote:

> >>>>> In article monkfish <monkfish@nowhere> writes:
> >>>>>> J666 wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2:38 pm, "Andrew
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> > Science is essentially the search for the truth, Who happens to be
> >>>>>>> GOD.>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Science uses the scientific method - which is the method you no doubt
> >>>>>>> used for your PhD thesis when you got your PhD.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So, until you can use the scientific method to prove God exists, then
> >>>>>>> God is a belief and not a truth. Of course you have already referenced
> >>>>>>> a cite which says there is no God.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No doubt if you respond rather than ignoring the question, it will be
> >>>>>>> that you will simply post meaningless links to nonsense you spewed
> >>>>>>> earlier.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You do seem to be getting in deeper and deeper - generally the best
> >>>>>>> thing to do when you find yourself stuck in a hole is to stop
> >>>>>>> digging. Pretty soon even your supporters, if there are any, who are
> >>>>>>> not your sockpuppets, will have a hard time supporting you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> You are mistaken about God.
> >>>>>> God is prior to the existence of all beings.
> >>>>>> God is prior to existence.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you have any idea what that means?
> >>>>> Well, logically it means that this thing you call "God"
> >>>>> does not exist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- cary
> >>>> Will a raindrop make the ocean wetter?
> >>>
> >>> Does yellow itch?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I guess you didn't get it.
> >>
> >> God is the ground of all being.
> >> For a creature to doubt His existence
> >> is like a raindrop to question
> >> the wetness of the ocean.
> >>
> >
> > The Aremeanti Cephalopods of Vertign VVII, as it
> > turns out, are actually the ground of all existence
> >
> > For you to doubt that, and them, is like a zypher
> > doubting the atmosphere.
> >
>
> You know you are not sincere;

About the molluscs? You are right: I'm not.

About demonstrating that anything at all could
be plugged into your statements, and they
would undergo no change in logical force?
Deadly so.


-- cary


> you also know I am sincere.
>
> Try again, please.
>
> ~monkfish


J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:10:36 -0500, Sanity's Little Helper


> A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

Some confuse a long answer or questions as evide3nce of intellect rather than
a simple answer. But, actually the simplest answer is often the wisest one.

Sort of an Occam's razor for responses.


oxtail

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What does it mean for you to exist?
What does it mean for money to exist?
What does it mean for love to exist?
What does it mean for God to exist?

--
Oxtail

monkfish

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Do you even know what God is?

--
monkfish

Cary Kittrell

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Well, my better idea would be simply to forego
the self-indulgance of existential angst.


-- cary

monkfish

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Nobody is telling you
to become a priest or a theologian.
So long as you are not acting like one.

I'll be removing sci.med.cardiology
from the header soon.

--
monkfish

J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:19:11 -0500, dzho

> We depend on Him, He doesn't depend on us.

That statement assumes the existence of a God.

J666

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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:20:45 -0500, monkfish


> Got any better ideas?

Why do we need the "comfort" of a God rather than just realizing that we are
of little real significance and we are here by chance - a different sperm or
a different egg at a different time, and we would not be here.

Over the vastness of the universe and the vastness of time, the odds are
great enough to explain our existence here on Earth and even existence of
other different life on other planets in the universe.

It is our ego which makes us want to feel important and special.


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