A message for lurkers
Walt
some posters in this NG who are here simply to propagate the lies of
the Warren Commission.
Yes this is the alt CONSPIRACY news group, and NOT alt Warren
Commission Apologists NG but some posters are here just to disrupt and
derail discussions, and propagate the lies. Any reader of these
posts should be aware that any post by a man using the alias David Von
Pien isn't worth reading. He is the very epitomy of a bare faced
liar.
DVP has been informed many times that the information he posts is not
true factual information and he been given the facts many many times,
yet he persists in posting lies.
There are others who also propagate the lies but this liar David Von
Pien is the king of the liars.
robcap...@netscape.com
Nice post Walt, and I second that motion!
David Von Pein
>>> "Any reader of these posts should be aware that any post by a man using the alias David Von Pien [sic] isn't worth reading. He is the very epitomy of a bare faced liar [I'd have preferred "bald"-faced myself]." <<<
I challenge Walt to find a single post of mine where I have "lied" (an
occasional factual "mistake" doesn't count either...but even those are
rare).
Good luck.
BTW, the part about my name being an "alias" was a nice kook touch.
Any chance you can PROVE that my name is an "alias", Walt? There's
another challenge for you.
Good luck.
>>> "DVP has been informed many times that the information he posts is not true factual information and he been given the facts many many times, yet he persists in posting lies." <<<
Folks, the above sentence was written by a man (Walt) who has posted
so many untruths, half-truths, and distortions of the evidence and
witness testimony, it's practically impossible to keep up with all of
them.*
And yet I am the one being labelled a "liar".
Pot & Kettle would love this thread indeed.
* = Blatant example re-printed below:
============================================
BEATING A STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORY INTO THE BACKWOODS (WHERE IT
BELONGS)......
----------------------------------------------------------
A CONSPIRACY KOOK ("WALT") SAID --- He {Howard Brennan} DESCRIBED the
location where he saw the gunman aiming the rifle from the window, and
he did NOT describe the window on the EAST end of the sixth floor.
DVP (DAVID ROBERT VON PEIN; NOT A CONSPIRACY KOOK) --- This is total
nonsense, and anyone who reads all of Howard Brennan's testimony would
know that the CTer who wrote the above bullshit doesn't have the
slightest idea what he's talking about.
Brennan's testimony shows that Brennan saw a man (Lee Harvey Oswald)
in only ONE single window in the Texas School Book Depository on
11/22/63 -- and that window was the southeast corner window on the
sixth floor.
Any reasonable person who examines all of Brennan's Warren Commission
testimony would easily come to the conclusion that Brennan only saw a
man in the EAST-end window. And it's also easy to see that nobody was
manipulating Brennan's words, nor was David Belin preventing any "West
End" references from getting into the WC record.
But, just like almost all other conspiracy kooks who are charter
members of the popular "Anybody But Oswald" club, the CTer who wrote
the above remarks has no idea how to properly and objectively evaluate
physical evidence or witness testimony.
=====================================================
WALT --- Since David Belin did a good job of twisting Brennan's
testimony...
DVP --- Nobody is "twisting" Howard Brennan's testimony except a kook
named Walt. That's for damn sure.
Let's examine it more closely after having read through ALL of
Brennan's WC testimony (which I just now did)......
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brennan.htm
David W. Belin was in NO WAY trying to twist or manipulate Howard
Brennan's words during Brennan's WC session. That's obvious when you
read the transcript.
For, if Belin HAD been on a mission to "twist" Brennan's account of
the shooting (in order to keep any references to a WEST-END shooter
from entering the official record), would Belin have said this to Mr.
Brennan in such an OPEN-ENDED manner, which allows Brennan to say
anything he wants to say with regard any (supposed) WEST-SIDE
assassin?.....
BELIN: "Mr. Brennan, could you please tell the Commission what
happened from the time you sat on that retaining wall, what you saw?"
And would Belin have been willing to dangle this hot question in front
of Brennan if Belin and the WC had wanted to hush up info re. any
west-
end TSBD killer?.....
BELIN: "Did you see any other people in any other windows that you can
recollect?"
And here's yet another question that no idiot would have dared ask
Brennan if that person (Mr. Belin) had been wanting to choke off the
witness in some way.....
BELIN: "Now, after you saw the man--well, just tell what else you saw
during that afternoon."
And below we have still another example of Belin's reckless
questioning tactics (if he'd been wanting to keep a bunch of stuff out
of the record...because how in the heck did Belin know how Brennan
would respond to this question?).....
BELIN: "Would you describe just exactly what you saw when you saw him
{the TSBD gunman} this last time?"
Below we have other indications that Howard Brennan was referring to
ONLY the southeast TSBD window.....
BRENNAN: "Spoke to Mr. Sorrels, and told him that those were the two
colored boys that was on the fifth floor, or on the next floor
underneath the man that fired the gun."
~~~~~~~~
BELIN: "Was the man that you saw in the window firing the rifle the
same man that you had seen earlier in the window, you said at least a
couple of times, first stepping up and then going back?"
BRENNAN: "Yes, sir."
BELIN: "About how far were you away from that window at the time you
saw him, Mr. Brennan?"
BRENNAN: "Well, at that time, I calculated 110 foot at an angle. But
closer surveillance I believe it will run close to 122 to 126 feet at
an angle."
~~~~~~~~
Notice the references to "THAT WINDOW" and "THE WINDOW" --- indicating
the ONLY window Brennan EVER refers to specifically throughout his
entire testimony....i.e., the SN/SE window on the 6th Floor.
~~~~~~~~
And then there's the "red pencil" demonstration done by Brennan on
CE482, which is a photo of the SN window, with Brennan marking the
approx. angle of the rifle he saw being fired FROM THAT EXACT WINDOW
(obviously)! .....
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/ce482.jpg
I guess Walt must think that Brennan marked a simulated rifle angle on
CE482 with a red pencil, even though Brennan knew that he was marking
the WRONG WINDOW! Right, Walt?.....
BELIN: "Now, I wonder if you would take on Exhibit 482, if you can
kind of mark the way the rifle was at the time you saw it. Here is a
red pencil. If you could put on Exhibit 482 the direction that you saw
the rifle pointing, sir."
BRENNAN: "I would say more at this angle. Maybe not as far out as
this."
BELIN: "You have put a line, and I have tried to make a little bit
darker line."
BRENNAN: "That is as close as I can get it."
BELIN: "This is on Exhibit 482--as to the angle at which you saw the
rifle. And you say perhaps it wasn't out of the window as far as this
line goes on Exhibit 482, is that correct?"
BRENNAN: "Right."
GERALD FORD: "That is the angle that you believe the rifle was
pointed?"
BRENNAN: "Yes."
ALLEN DULLES: "And that is from the area in the window from which the
rifle was pointing?"
BRENNAN: "Right."
~~~~~~~~
Please note that Brennan doesn't correct anyone on the Commission as
to CE482 being the WRONG WINDOW from where Howard had seen any gunman
firing a rifle.
And Brennan certainly had every opportunity to make such a correction
if one had been required. Obviously, none was required, because CE482
represented the exact window from which Brennan had seen Oswald firing
a weapon at President Kennedy.
And then we have these remarks made by Belin. (Is he lying his ass off
here?).....
BELIN: "What is the fact as to whether or not I told you what to say
or you yourself just told me what you wanted to tell me?"
BRENNAN: "You did not instruct me what to say at all. I told you in
the best words I could to explain exactly my movements and what
happened."
GERALD FORD: "And here today you have testified freely on your own?"
BRENNAN: "Right, I have."
~~~~~~~~
And then we get Allen Dulles asking Brennan the following loaded-full-
of-potential-dynamite question (if the WC had wanted to keep some
stuff out of the record, that is).....
DULLES: "Anything you would like to add?"
And then we can examine Howard Brennan's 11/22/63 affidavit, where we
can also find verbal indications of an EAST-end shooter (not WEST
end), when Brennan says this.....
BRENNAN: "In the east end of the building and the second row of
windows from the top I saw a man in this window. I had seen him before
the President's car arrived."
A little later in the same affidavit, we find.....
BRENNAN: "I then saw this man I have described in the window and he
was taking aim with a high-powered rifle."
Does Walt want the world to believe that when Brennan said "THE
WINDOW" in that last sentence above, Howard was REALLY referring to
the west end of the Depository, even though just a few sentences
earlier in the same affidavit he said "IN THE EAST END OF THE
BUILDING"?
~~~~~~~~
More useful tidbits from Brennan's WC session (with this being an
excellent question being asked by Mr. Belin, btw).....
BELIN: "You said you saw the man with the rifle on the sixth floor,
and then you said you saw some Negroes on the fifth floor."
BRENNAN: "Yes."
BELIN: "Did you get as good a look at the Negroes as you got at the
man with the rifle?"
BRENNAN: "Yes."
BELIN: "Did you feel that your recollection of the Negroes at that
time was as good as the one with the man with the rifle?"
BRENNAN: "Yes--at that time, it was."
~~~~~~~~
And then there's this regarding the issue of the color of the gunman's
clothing.....
BELIN: "Do you remember the specific color of any shirt that the man
with the rifle was wearing?"
BRENNAN: "No, other than light, and a khaki color--maybe in khaki. I
mean other than light color--not a real white shirt, in other words.
If it was a white shirt, it was on the dingy side."
~~~~~~~~
So, via the above words of Howard Brennan, the gunman could have been
wearing "light"-colored clothing...or "khaki"-colored clothing. But
there's the word "maybe" in there too. And that initial "no" to
Belin's question in the first place.
Plus -- Since we KNOW that Brennan saw the assassin (Oswald) through a
half-opened window on the southeast corner of the TSBD's 6th
Floor...and we also know that the windows in the TSBD were fairly
dirty on 11/22/63...I'm wondering if (just possibly) the "dirty"
status of the TSBD windows might have influenced the "dingy" remark
made by Howard Brennan above.
=====================================================
WALT --- Belin cleverly did not provide a photo that showed the entire
face of the TSBD as it appeared at 12:30 on 11/22/63. He gave Howard
Brennan photos that showed only windows on the upper east side,
forcing Brennan to use those photos to depict the events he witnessed.
DVP --- Oh sure. And Brennan, being the box of dumb rocks you must
think he was, decided to not say the following --- "Well, Mr. Belin,
this photograph doesn't depict the far-west-end window where I saw the
assassin shooting...but, what the fuck....I'll just pretend the
shooter was on the east end." --- right, Mr. Kook?
~LOL~
(And an even bigger: "LOL".)
:)
=====================================================
WALT --- If the truth be known, the gunman was probably planting the
spent shells when Brennan saw him.
DVP --- Yeah...and then these boobs decided they'd shoot from the
exact OPPOSITE end of the sixth floor from where the shells were
"planted", instead of merely using the pre-arranged patsy-creating SN
window.
Yeah, that makes sense .... if you're a Mega-Kook.
Plus -- There are Oswald's fresh prints on those SN boxes too...don't
forget. Were those being "planted" too? Or did the plotters just get
lucky with those prints?
=====================================================
WALT --- Belin twisted the events that happened BEFORE the shooting to
make it look like Brennan was talking about what he saw DURING the
shooting.
DVP --- And how was Belin supposed to prevent Brennan from using the
words "West End" or "The other end of the building is where I saw him
shoot from", etc.?
Belin just got lucky that the word "West" never escaped Brennan's lips
when Howard "DESCRIBED" the location within the TSBD where the
rifleman was located, huh?
=====================================================
WALT --- Brennan is saying that the shirt was a light-colored khaki
shirt; it could have been dingy white, and perhaps you know that dingy
white is a shade of WHITE.
DVP --- But khaki isn't. .... Kook.
=====================================================
WALT --- Early in his testimony Belin asked Brennan how he was dressed
that day, and Brennan said he was dressed in gray KHAKI work clothes.
So KHAKI is a type of material to Howard Brennan, not necessarily a
color.
DVP --- That must be why Brennan TWICE during his WC testimony utters
the specific word "color" immediately after uttering the word "khaki".
Right? But it's best if you just ignore those TWO times Brennan says
"khaki color".....
BRENNAN (Page 144): "...More of a khaki color."
BRENNAN (Page 160): "...And a khaki color."
=====================================================
WALT --- Now you admit the windows were dirty. So how did Brennan see
all of the details he DESCRIBED through TWO thicknesses of dirty
glass?
DVP --- During the shooting, Brennan no doubt saw Oswald crouching
behind the MC rifle BELOW THE LEVEL OF THE DIRTY WINDOWS, i.e.,
through the open bottom half of the SN window, even though Brennan was
of the false impression that Oswald was "standing".
But don't forget he ALSO thought the Negroes on the 5th Floor were
"standing" as well, which is equally (but consistently) as incorrect.
Now, quite obviously, while watching Oswald aim and fire the last
rifle shot, Brennan could have easily seen many of the details
regarding Oswald's general appearance.
But evidently to a kook like Walt ALL of the pertinent data re.
Oswald's clothes and appearance HAD to be witnessed through ONLY the
CLOSED (upper-half) of the SN window.
Go figure.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/ce482.jpg
=====================================================
WALT --- You're not really this obtuse....are you?!!
DVP --- No, I'm not. But you sure are. Obtuse, kooky, nutty, Oswald-
loving, evidence-skewing....you name it. You're it.
=====================================================
WALT --- We are in total agreement....Brennan was not lying.
DVP --- Yeah...Walt must think that Howard Brennan was merely
MISINTERPRETED when he gave his WC testimony....but not lying.
Brennan circled ONE SINGLE WINDOW on a Commission Exhibit where he saw
A MAN on the 6th Floor...not TWO windows. Just one. And that one
window was the SN window in the SE corner of the building.
Walt thinks that Brennan must have FORGOTTEN about seeing the gunman
in the WEST window DURING the shooting...which is THE most important
information (of course) given by Brennan during his testimony to the
WC. But Brennan never bothered to say this to Mr. Belin:
"Oh, by the way Mr. Belin, that window I circled in CE477 isn't where
I saw the gunman actually shooting from. No, I saw the man firing a
gun from this west-end window over here. Sorry, I didn't mean to
confuse you."
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo3/exhibits/ce477.jpg
Brennan saw the man/assassin (later positively IDed by Brennan as Lee
Harvey Oswald) in only ONE window on 11/22/63....that's obvious by his
testimony and by his WINDOW-CIRCLING actions on CE477....and that
window was the SN window on the southeast side of the TSBD.
Walt, being a revisionist CT kook, will continue to make up his own
unique brand of Assassination (Il)Logic (and made-up witness testimony
evidently) in order to promote his own forever-skewed idea that a
gunman was located on the WEST side of the 6th Floor of the Texas
School Book Depository at 12:30 on 11/22/63. (Even though, per Walt,
Oswald was going to be FRAMED AS THE LONE PATSY at a DIFFERENT window
in the building in the southeast corner. Go figure that crackpot pre-
assassination logic, huh?)
=====================================================
YoHarvey
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> read more »
Interesting how Walt confuses DVP and Chico Jesus/Robcap, THE PREMIER
lying misfit on this newsgroup. Of course, since Jesus/Robcap is a
CT, no matter how much he lies, Walt will overlook it. Walt? Keep
fighting mental health.
justm...@gmail.com
Walt is trying so hard to turn his fantasies into fact that he will
stoop to calling DVP a liar for posting the FACTS from the Warren
Commission and all other FACTUAL evidence in this case. Walt probably
agrees with the garbage and errors on Rossleys web site too.
Anything ....ANYTHING, Walt can use to show his hatred for LBJ he will
try. Walt is a man who HATES the US Gov't so much that he gets his
jollies blaming the entire assassination on the highest political
positions of the government in 1963.
Gil Jesus
to be one, one must KNOWINGLY propagate LIES. As Walt has stated, Von
Pinhead is not just a misguided or uninformed ignoramus. He ignores
any and all evidence that indicates his position is wrong and at the
same time perpetrates the very LIES that he has been corrected on.
"I say it's true and if you don't believe me, I refer you to.......me"
He makes a statement, an opinion or a conjecture, then copies and
pastes it for future reference in another post. He uses himself as a
source. This is not only unorthodox it is not accepted anywhere in the
research community.
Von Pinhead has been thrown out of every legitimate JFK forum that he
has joined. I personally know for a FACT that he was expelled from JFK
Lancer for disruption. His constant childish name-calling directed to
anyone who disagrees with him has always been, and continues to be his
trademark.
I've noticed lately that his posts are receiving fewer and fewer
responses.
This is one of those trolls that is well worth killfiltering. His mind
is stuck in 1964 and he'll argue nothing past that year.
If I didn't know better, I'd say that he's on someone's payroll.
David Von Pein
>>> "Walt is trying so hard to turn his fantasies into fact that he will stoop to calling DVP a liar for posting the FACTS from the Warren Commission and all other FACTUAL evidence in this case." <<<
Yeah, that's a hoot, ain't it?
I guess I should be citing Armstrong, King-Kook Garrison, Fetzer,
Lifton, and Mellen....instead of citing organizations like the WC and
the HSCA.
Right, Walter?
After all, Lifton's body-alteration theory makes total sense and can
be proven to be FACT. And so can Armstrong's double-Oswald crappola in
"Harvey & Lee". And what about Garrison's New Orleans-based plot,
headed up by Eyebrows Ferrie and Clay Shaw--even though Garrison never
once told the jury in '69 what role Shaw actually supposedly played in
the death of the President...kinda odd for the prosecutor not to even
know, huh?
Here's a re-post of something I put together in December of 2007,
illustrating the type of idiot we're dealing with when we deal with
Walter The Mega-Kook:
=========================================
Here are some examples of Walt's "honesty" (IOW, an example of the
bullshit he's invented without a stitch of evidence to support such
crap). All of these are verbatim quotes from the e-lips of "Honest
Walt" (aka: one of the most despicable CTers ever to utilize a
computer keyboard)......
"David Belin did a good job of twisting Brennan's testimony."
"Belin twisted the events that happened BEFORE the shooting to
make it look like Brennan was talking about what he saw DURING the
shooting."
"Belin cleverly did not provide a photo that showed the entire
face of the TSBD as it appeared at 12:30 on 11/22/63. He gave Howard
Brennan photos that showed only windows on the upper east side,
forcing Brennan to use those photos to depict the events he
witnessed."
"There are also photos which show a rifle protruding from that
window BEFORE the motorcade arrived....But there was NOBODY in that
{southeast 6th-Floor} window at the time of the shooting."
[DVP INTERJECTION -- LOL time. But at least Walt's being "honest" when
it comes to the massive amount of hard evidence that he's flushing
right down the toilet with respect to a rifle being fired from
Oswald's Sniper's-Nest window on November 22, right Walter? He'll just
ignore or skew every last speck of that evidence. A nice "honest"
approach by Walt-Kook, isn't it?]
"If the truth be known, the gunman was probably planting the
spent shells when Brennan saw him."
"Do you think that Howard {Brennan} was hallucinating??.....That
the 35 year old, 175 pound gunman who was dressed in a WHITE shirt and
trousers was merely a figment of his imagination?"
[DVP INTERJECTION -- Nice "honesty" depicted above about what Brennan
actually said, huh?]
"There WAS a 35 year old, 175 pound man, dressed in a white
shirt and trousers, visible in that window just a few minutes prior to
the shooting."
[DVP INTERJECTION -- Walt again thinks he can place such exactitude on
such things as "age" and "weight" and even "clothing", all the while
mangling the actual words uttered by Howard Brennan. Lovely "honesty"
once more, eh?]
"He {Howard Brennan} DESCRIBED the location where he saw the
gunman aiming the rifle from the window, and he did NOT describe the
window on the EAST end of the sixth floor."
"I believe the so called "Sniper's Nest" was nothing more than a
hidden "Smoker's Nook" that a TSBD employee had constructed so that he
could goof off and smoke without being seen by the boss."
[DVP INTERJECTION -- This particular brainstorm of Walter's, uttered
on August 6, 2006, deserves some extra attention from those "LOL"
initials once more!]
"There's no doubt about it.....Howard Brennan saw a man who was
NOT Lee Oswald on the sixth floor of the TSBD. He saw him in the
partly open S.N. window BEFORE the motorcade arrived, and he saw him
firing a rifle from a WIDE OPEN during the shooting."
[DVP INTERJECTION -- "There's no doubt about it", folks. That's
because Walt is an "honest" person when it comes to fairly and
reasonably evaluating and assessing the physical evidence in the case
and the testimony of one Howard Leslie Brennan. Right, Walt-Kook?]
"The Croft photo...shows a tiny piece of JFK's white shirt being
blown out through his suit jacket by the exiting bullet. .... The
bullet hole in JFK's jacket is EXACTLY where the tiny piece of white
shirt appears in the CROFT photo. .... The bullet was a TINY (perhaps
55 grain) .22 caliber bullet. A bullet this size will lose its energy
very rapidly. .... Therefore, after passing through JFK's body, it's
[sic] energy was pretty well spent. When it passed through one of the
grill openings {of the SS follow-up car} and struck some metal behind
the grill, it didn't have much more energy than a BB fired from a BB
gun. It simply fell into the area behind the grill of the Caddy."
[DVP INTERJECTION -- The above is a good example of a Mega-Kook's
imagination run amok in Dealey Plaza. Walt thinks JFK suffered a
"throat-thru-back" bullet wound at approx. Z161 on the Zapruder Film.
Can Walt's "honest" and fair and reasonable approach to President
Kennedy's injuries possibly get any more idiotic than in his quote
above? And yet Walt expects people to be open and respectful to such
moronic and unsupportable bullshit like that. He actually seems to
think that such utter nonsense ISN'T worthy of being ridiculed. Go
figure.]
"Everyone can have a theory about why Tippit was there and why
he was killed. .... The one thing we can be sure of is Oswald was NOT
the killer."
[DVP INTERJECTION -- This completes the "Anybody But Oswald" circle
for "honest" kooks like Walter. Not only is Lee Oswald completely
innocent of shooting President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza per these
nutcases like Walt, but the "ABO" kooks also want to have the
obviously-guilty Oswald innocent of Officer Tippit's murder as well.
It's so "honest" of Walt to tell us to totally ignore that pile of
"LHO Killed Tippit" evidence, isn't it? Just toss it out, says
Walt....including the Tippit murder weapon, which every kook's
favorite patsy had ON HIM when arrested just a half-hour after
Tippit's murder.
Summarizing......
Don't ya love watching a researcher approach the JFK evidence in an
"open" and "honest" manner like Walt has done via the "Kook Kwotes" I
have provided above? Just lovely isn't it?
I can "honestly" say this without fear of embarrassment --- Walt is an
"honest"-to-goodness idiot when it comes to his forum posts regarding
the murders of John F. Kennedy and J.D. Tippit.]
David Von Pein
December 2007
YoHarvey
roflmao. I'm sure DVP is on somebody's payroll. Unlike our resident
misfit Jesus/Robcap, DVP works for a living.
Gil Jesus
> Anyone who visits this news group should be informed that there are
> some posters in this NG who are here simply to propagate the lies of
> the Warren Commission.
>
> Yes this is the alt CONSPIRACY news group, and NOT alt Warren
> Commission Apologists NG but some posters are here just to disrupt and
> derail discussions, and propagate the lies. �
LET ME INTRODUCE ONE:
THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR KNOWN AS YOHARVEY
1.It was YoHarvey, under the screenname baileynme who claimed that the
Oswald rifle had no scope when found. Baileynme-spiffy-YoHarvey wrote:
"The scope was NOT on the MC when it was found. It was laying
alongside the weapon."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e3aedb4b219289ad
But a photo of Lt. Day in the TSBD picking the rifle up by the strap
SHOWS a scope ATTACHED:
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1Lw8sYt--F*VUv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
YOHARVEY AS A SNEAK
2. he/she tried to infiltrate JFKconspiracy under a different
screenname
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
3. he/she claimed that Operation White Star began in Cambodia in 1962,
when in fact it began in Laos in 1958 and ended with the Declaration
of Neutrality in 1962
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f1e7c24a013b01d0
at which time I corrected his/her lack of historical knowledge
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fc6cacfb427769c5
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
4. he/she posted a false "letter" and attributed the author as my
third grade teacher, who claimed to have me in her class at a time
when I was in kindergarten, proving himself/herself once again as a
liar.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4f6f846cc8f05f54
YOHARVEY AS A SNEAK
5. posted an article by Dave Reitzes
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100custody.html
as his own without giving Reitzes any credit
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/293de06a42d2729e
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
6. Then he/she perpetrated a falsehood that:: " In the mid 1950's Lee
Oswald spoke about killing an American President. Palmer MacBride
testified to the WC, in 1956 he befriended Oswald and they often
discussed politics. MacBride said that one central theme discussed was
the "exploitation of the working class" and one one occassion after
they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement
that he would like to kill the President because he was exploiting the
working class.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/275a8c64ca997ce4
but in fact: McBride's affidavit given to the FBI alleged that Oswald
made the statement in "late 1957 or early 1958", not in 1956 as
YoHarvey claimed. The 1957-58 timeframe conflicted with Marine records
that clearly showed that Oswald was in Japan at that time.
http://www.jfkresearch.com/jfk_101.html
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
7. In one post YoHarvey calls the Education Forum the "research
community"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48acfed5de8ec2ac
then he refers to it as a "demented group of misfits"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f100f49279807b0e
in another post he refers to it as "major kook central"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/605057d1f9873de2
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
8. YoHarvey lied when he/she said that I was arrested in March 1994
for not paying a cable TV bill. He/she would like the reader to
believe that the theft of cable TV would go on for 2 or 3 years
without their knowing. He/she provides no evidence to support this
charge except his say so. No links to any police records, court
records, newspaper accounts of the theft. No links. No info.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/515311a1bd65759b
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
9. YoHarvey lied when he said that I believed that Santos Trafficante
meant that JFK was going to be hit by Jackie because she found a bra
under JFK's pillow. I never said that. YOHARVEY DID THEN ATTRIBUTED IT
TO ME!! Here's the link to YoLarvae's ridiculous post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aeddd4f800150a44
and my response was:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8140300091f92867
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
10. YoHarvey claimed that I said that Connally shot JFK. The post that
was cited is here.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd783b571f900c24
But as the post shows, I didn't actually say it. In fact, if you do a
search of this newsgroup of the phrase "Connally shot JFK", you'll
find that most, if not all of the posts were made by the trolls and
that I never actually said any such thing. I put to rest any notion
that I ever actually said any such thing here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/25bc946d919d2937
causing another round of troll tears.
11. YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
YoHarvey produces a fake newspaper story that claims that I was being
questioned for killing JFK, even though I was only 9 when he was
murdered.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d202c8da08ea114f
YoHarvey/justme1952 makes up LIES as he/she goes along...like these:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bc526ae91bd97331
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/54b99cbd78e1b516
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c31913883d98d97a
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/22423b43ea270314
Not only is he/she a liar, he/she admits to living a lie:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d8a4e3914459a3e9
ANTICHRIST YOHARVEY POKING FUN OF THE CRUCIFIXION
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3e955da36f61d10f
Given his/her propensity for being a sneak, an idiot and lying, can we
believe ANYTHING YoHarvey/baileynme/spiffy says ?
tomnln
"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e05a21e6-20ff-42e4...@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
DVP is paid a pittance by the 17 of us mopping up when we finish with your
wife.
Wanna address these?>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
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tomnln
David Von Pein
>>> "Von Pinhead (as I call him) is a disinformation specialist." <<<
Well, at least I'm considered "special[ist]". That's kinda nice.
>>> "His constant childish name-calling directed to anyone who disagrees with him has always been, and continues to be his trademark." <<<
Kettle....meet pot.
>>> "This is one of those trolls that is well worth killfiltering. His mind is stuck in 1964 and he'll argue nothing past that year." <<<
Look! Jesus gets another one wrong. (I guess Guinn's NAA stuff is
circa "1964", eh Gil?).....
THE HEAD SHOT, THE BULLET FRAGMENTS, AND DR. GUINN'S NAA ANALYSIS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d0bc5be11042a291
MORE ABOUT DR. GUINN AND THE NAA BULLET-FRAGMENT TESTS:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a1f839000eb145ad
>>> "If I didn't know better, I'd say that he's on someone's payroll." <<<
I thought you knew by now. I already told everybody this just last
month:
RE-POST:
A CTer SAID: "You spend all of your waking hours here to silence the
kooks?"
DVP SAID: "No. Mainly just to ridicule them. (And to earn my VB-
sponsored "shill" salary. $2000 per week now, btw. Vince is no
cheapskate.)"
www.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/cf891b42179602c2
INSTANT REPLAY:
>>> "If I didn't know better, I'd say that he's on someone's payroll." <<<
If I didn't know better, I'd swear Gil Jesus was a genius.
aeffects
minutes and he'll be responding to himself, AGAIN...
ROTFLMFAO!