Snuffy's two big lies
Big Jim
never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
The mirror speaks back.
A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
He is now:
1. Claiming he is not a liar. The most bold face lie he's told to date.
2. Having some sick fantasy about beaingt up all the "punks" that gave him
shit at the dz, three at a time.
Including some Kung Fu guy that the "punks" hired to take care of him.
Dingleberry, maybe the VA can send you to a psychiatrist, you are going from
being a habitual liar to delusional. Get help.
the unknown flailer
> <I played my cards close to the vest though, knowing liars
> never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
>
> The mirror speaks back.
>
> A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
> Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
>
> He is now:
> 1. Claiming he is not a liar. The most bold face lie he's told to date.
> 2. Having some sick fantasy about beaingt up all the "punks" that gave him
> shit at the dz, three at a time.
> Including some Kung Fu guy that the "punks" hired to take care of him.
>
lessons around the DZ. What is it about DZ's that attract people
wanting to horn in on any money laying around and people too cheap or
broke to pay for their own lift tickets? His money making scheme went
in the toilet when that fancy ballet shit didn't work I'm surprised it
hasn't moved up to tailgate Tupperware party's. The two and three at a
time were just the typical weak modern kids that shirk hard work, live
on fast food and set in front of Video games, they have fast hand
reflex's but are weak, weak, weak. Must be them fruit flies coming up
from Florida spreading some kind of wussy boy virus. Wow Biggy you did
such a excellent imitation of Jerry K, I thought he had got home from
the ballunerfest with a extra amount of hot air. Like I said before
though, I ain't training any new bootee boy punks------Jerry is the
last.
> Dingleberry, maybe the VA can send you to a psychiatrist, you are going from
> being a habitual liar to delusional. Get help.
The VA is so understaffed and far behind in paperwork. I can remain
free to pass out my brand of wisdom for years to come. The military?
They are stretched pretty tight with those middle eastern wars so they
won't do anything. Blame
it on Congress, they allocate money to the VA and did away with the
draft----->You little sissy's wouldn't be here for me
to bother if not for that! ;)P
Mike Spurgeon
> <I played my cards close to the vest though, knowing liars
> never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
>
> The mirror speaks back.
>
> A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
> Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
>
> He is now:
> 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
How so. Give us a quote...
tom
This could be good...Tom
Mike Spurgeon
Could be, but it will probably be all egos and interpretation, instead
of facts...
the unknown flailer
They can't control their emotions Mike, the tears perhaps blur their
vision and lower reading comprehension.
I clearly called Jerry K a liar and provided the particular quote he
was being called on
The only admission made was to telling sea stories, a art learned from
over a decade of Naval service.
I doubt anyone without USN or USMC service understands what a sea
story is and immediately perceive
them as lies. As you probably know having been a Jar head they are
like fish stories-built on a kernel of
truth but becoming larger as time passé's. Meant mainly as
entertainment, they often drew laughs and
took minds off all those hours standing in line, bad chow, boring
tours of duty at the ass end of the world
These kids have little sense of humor and it makes them easy marks for
old men. They take their selves
far too serious
Big Jim
"Mike Spurgeon" <mi...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
news:4AE3BAEA...@spurgeon.net...
Okay Mike here it is
<<Another flaw you have besides fear is calling your seniors a liar. A
sure sign you are one yourself, thieves and liars most often accuse
others of the same behaviour...I've told a few sea stories in my time
but earned the right by long service in the far reaches of the world.>> J.
Smith 10/22/09
Typically, Mike, your denial takes the form of a hair splitting, semantics
based argument. My guess is that is the rebuttal, if any we will see here.
But, you asked, I answered.
the unknown flailer
> "Mike Spurgeon" <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
You were not around when the events leading to my sea stories occurred
kid. Also you don't understand what a sea story is----They are always
based on truth, just dramatized a bit, its clear you have issues---
Mostly based on no sea
stories of your own tsk tsk tsk
Mike Spurgeon
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Give us a quote where he says he's not a liar, since it's your claim,
and apparently your opinion.
the unknown flailer
I believe the post was mostly about a Jerry K post with quotes that
proved he lied years earlier. Every body lies
sooner or later, its a human carateristic....Read the post again all I
said about myself was "I tell sea stories" Which I haven't done in
years because it upset some one hitch boots. One USN, the other USMC.
So you are wrong Biggy butt and Mike is right, no where it that post
did I specifically claim "I was not a liar" as you stated. You kids
need
reading comprehension class's and some PROZAC suppository's or else to
quit reading what I have to say about
snot nosed punks and while your at it apologize to Mike you little
punk! Jesus they must push these kids through
school-----None of them know how to read----One other item you and
Jerry girl might remember. DZ politics don't
work on wreck.....So quit trying to make shit up heh heh
Winsor Naugler
>>>> never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
>>>> The mirror speaks back.
>>>> A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
>>>> Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
>>>> He is now:
>>>> 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
>>> How so. Give us a quote...
>>
>> This could be good...Tom
>
> Could be, but it will probably be all egos and interpretation, instead of
> facts...
What I can not figure out for the life of me is why anyone even pretends to
care what that malevolent cripple has to say. It sucks that there is
nothing left to this newsgroup after one killfiles the cretin and his
detractors.
Frankly, if whatsismuzzle dropped off the scope forever, I guarantee I would
never enquire as to why we had such good fortune as to be rid of him. There
is no chance that this newsgroup will ever recover from having been used as
his personal cesspool for years, since too many people have been nauseated
by his incessant flow of excreta.
Please killfile the cretin and those who are dumb enough to engage him, and
talk about skydiving and related activities. All this fanciful dreck of
"the older I get, the better I was," and "there I was, just me and Rambo,
achieving Peace with Honor in Southeast Asia" and so forth got old after the
first iteration. Ignore him as befits the nobody he is.
BSBD,
Winsor
the unknown flailer
> >>>> <I played my cards close to the vest though, knowing liars
> >>>> never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
> >>>> The mirror speaks back.
> >>>> A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
> >>>> Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
> >>>> He is now:
> >>>> 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
> >>> How so. Give us a quote...
>
> >> This could be good...Tom
>
> > Could be, but it will probably be all egos and interpretation, instead of
> > facts...
>
> What I can not figure out for the life of me is why anyone even pretends to
> care what that malevolent cripple has to say. It sucks that there is
> nothing left to this newsgroup after one killfiles the cretin and his
> detractors.
You seem to care, you posted to this thread, that indicates you follow
the cat fights occasionally.
Everything can't be like skydive dot com---Totally controlled by tight
ass modulators. Perhaps
if the USSR or Nazi Germany had survived but then again, maybe not----
Iran couldn't seem to
control the INTERNET or cell phones during their recent riots over the
election. The Chi Com seem
to have the most control. Why don't you move to Red China control
freak?
>
> Frankly, if whatsismuzzle dropped off the scope forever, > BSBD,
>
> Winsor
Not going to happen as long as I own Jerry's emotions, although it
might be quite for a while.
He should be in a half way decent mood after Ballonerfest. And Biggy
can't seem to
do a reach around and replace #1 bootee boy----All he does is alienate
other old men
by talking snotty to them rather than saying "Yes Sir, you were right.
he never claimed
he wasn't a liar in that post." "Forgive me Mike my emotions got the
best of me!"
Come on Biggy, MAN UP say it <snigger>.
the unknown flailer
> "Mike Spurgeon" <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>snip Biggy Jim's outburst of immaturity<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The elder community is waiting to see if your going to be a man Biggy
Mouth and apologize to M.S. for being wrong and arguing about it with
a wiser man. Put aside your emotional hard on for me and do the right
thing---Apologize to the Lodi Wiz! I won't laugh, if I do I would be a
liar for saying I won't then doing it...Come on do the right thing
kid. MAN UP!!!!
0~;)P
Big Jim
necessarily have to be literally stated.
I have already provided my quote.
You are an intelligent man and therefore there is no need to walk you thru
this. The implication is obvious.
Snuffy's assertion is obvious. If you don't want to see it or acknowledge
that you see it, that's your call to make.
I don't know Mr. Smith and don't know anyone who does. I do know that the
primary persona that he plays on rec. since I have been around (since 1999)
is one that consistently posts boastful fabrications that are obvious and
often posts contradictory claims that indicate that one or both posts are
lies.
The examples are numerous and that is fact, not opinion.
So, Mike, what is your opinion ? Do the facts indicate that the Snuffy
persona that Mr. Smith most frequently plays here on rec. is the persona of
an honest man?
"Mike Spurgeon" <mi...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
news:4AE4B27B...@spurgeon.net...
the unknown flailer
>
>
> So, Mike, what is your opinion ? Do the facts indicate that the Snuffy
> persona that Mr. Smith most frequently plays here on rec. is the persona of
> an honest man?
>
>
> news:4AE4B27B...@spurgeon.net...
>
>
>
> > Big Jim wrote:
> >>news:4AE3BAEA...@spurgeon.net...
> >>> Big Jim wrote:
>
> >>>> He is now:
> >>>> 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
> >>> How so. Give us a quote...
>
> >> Okay Mike here it is
>
> >> <<Another flaw you have besides fear is calling your seniors a liar. A
> >> sure sign you are one yourself, thieves and liars most often accuse
> >> others of the same behaviour...I've told a few sea stories in my time
> >> but earned the right by long service in the far reaches of the world.>>
> >> J. Smith 10/22/09
>
> >> Typically, Mike, your denial takes the form of a hair splitting,
> >> semantics based argument. My guess is that is the rebuttal, if any we
> >> will see here.
>
> > You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
>
> > Give us a quote where he says he's not a liar, since it's your claim, and
>
> - Show quoted text -
I believe I was clearly calling Jerry K a liar in that post, The fact
he claimed credit for someone else's Gold Medal when he began should
have been a red flag---I called him on the medal theft but let him
rock along for years lieing, then got tired of it. I'm beginning to
think if you are under 65, skydive and your mouth is moving---->You
should be considered a liar, its megalomania and youth that induces
this symptom. Let me make that post clear for kids who can't read:
(((JERRY K IS A LIAR)))
pants on fire!
the unknown flailer
>
>
>
> > Big Jim wrote:
> >> "Mike Spurgeon" <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
> >>news:4AE3BAEA...@spurgeon.net...
> >>> Big Jim wrote:
>
> >>>> He is now:
> >>>> 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
> >>> How so. Give us a quote...
>
> >> Okay Mike here it is
>
> >> <<Another flaw you have besides fear is calling your seniors a liar. A
> >> sure sign you are one yourself, thieves and liars most often accuse
> >> others of the same behaviour...I've told a few sea stories in my time
> >> but earned the right by long service in the far reaches of the world.>>
> >> J. Smith 10/22/09
>
> >> Typically, Mike, your denial takes the form of a hair splitting,
> >> semantics based argument. My guess is that is the rebuttal, if any we
> >> will see here.
>
> > You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
>
> > Give us a quote where he says he's not a liar, since it's your claim, and
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jim, Mike is a long time JM and Instructor---People like that tend to
develop a eye for detail.
He is right, you are wrong. No where in that post did I say I wasn't a
liar--All I said about myself
was "I tell sea stories. What you think of me doesn't matter to anyone
but you." It takes a big man to admit their wrong, are you going to
man up and apologize to Mike or be small about it? I shall call you
small Jim until you square away and
get right with the Lodi kid to prove you deserve big in front of your
Christian name! 0~ ;-*
Big Jim
apology for?
Mike and I are having a discussion, that's all.
BTW the discussion is ABOUT you, not FOR you.
Surly, you are too ignorant to understand the difference, it's just a little
bit subtle.
Fact is, you are butting in with some irrelevant opinion.
Further fact is your opinion and $19.95, plus shipping, will get 25 barf
bags at www.barfbagstore.com
"the unknown flailer" <thu...@iwon.com> wrote in message
news:9329014b-3db9-4a5a...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
Big Jim
To come here and expect anything that is or won't soon become an encounter
with Snuffy is either naive or the act of a newby.
You are neither. As you so eloquently put it, this is Mr. S's personal
cesspool and will never be anything else. Different people have different
motivations for being involved with rec. But, if you are going to be
involved with it, involvement with J. Smith is inevitable. It has been shown
time and time again that kill files or other forms of ignoring him are
futile. He comes with the territory.
One could make a strong argument that he is the territory.
It's about obsolescence. The obsolete rule this obsolete portal in an
obsolete corner of the internet.
Love it or leave it.
"Winsor Naugler" <dog...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:qbmdnVt_9PbfennX...@earthlink.com...
the unknown flailer
> Winsor-
>
> To come here and expect anything that is or won't soon become an encounter
> with Snuffy is either naive or the act of a newby.
> You are neither. As you so eloquently put it, this is Mr. S's personal
> cesspool and will never be anything else. Different people have different
> motivations for being involved with rec. But, if you are going to be
> involved with it, involvement with J. Smith is inevitable. It has been shown
> time and time again that kill files or other forms of ignoring him are
> futile. He comes with the territory.
> One could make a strong argument that he is the territory.
>
> It's about obsolescence. The obsolete rule this obsolete portal in an
> obsolete corner of the internet.
>
> Love it or leave it.
>
slapped come over here to big daddy.
Winsor has control issues and Mike is too intelligent for you to deal
with, come to BIG DADDY, he's got some shit to teach you about manning
up!!! Hoowah 0~;-*
Big Jim
"manning up". I know you get your ideas of
manliness from your days in the "old Navy", you know, the Navy that didn't
have any women around. There, your ideas of manliness
were like the prison systems concept of manliness. You know, like you and
your instructor in his bunk... That kind of manliness is not my thing.
You want to "man me up" send around a good lookin' grand daughter.
"the unknown flailer" <thu...@iwon.com> wrote in message
news:19376b61-a633-4c19...@a31g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
the unknown flailer
> You been running your yap allot recently about "being a manly man" and
> "manning up". I know you get your ideas of
> manliness from your days in the "old Navy", you know, the Navy that didn't
> have any women around. There, your ideas of manliness
> were like the prison systems concept of manliness. You know, like you and
> your instructor in his bunk... That kind of manliness is not my thing.
Nope from before that, the early, early 1950's before I went into the
Navy. The days of 20 cent a pack cigarettes, nickle coffee and nickle
coke's. Flat head Fords, fender skirts and moon caps, -- 28 or 30
cent gas, Duck tails and leather jackets. The Navy had a different set
of rules---They shaved our heads and kicked butt. Called it squaring
away-----BTW the Navy had women, they were called WAVES, none on Ships
or in Combat commands---Mostly clerks, dental technicians and
disbursing types. They joined the Navy hoping to meet a man I'm
thinking. Dunno I never had State side shore duty. Back coming out of
the 1940's when a handshake sealed most deals, you didn't need lawyers
unless you ran afoul of the law. Back when a man was only considered
as good as his word. I guess that leaves 99.9% of the USPA out. You
really need to apologize to Mike for being wrong and then being a
asshole about it, come on make the first step toward manning up punk!
Looks like your in the batters box....The other girly man went to
Ballunerfest and either fell in with rich skydivers he could mooch off
of for a while or got picked up by Federal Agents for cheating on his
tax's. Till he resurfaces, looks like you're the new bitch. Try not to
be so anal, it won't hurt as much that way. <eg>
the unknown flailer
> Winsor-
>
> To come here and expect anything that is or won't soon become an encounter
> One could make a strong argument that he is the territory.
In my own defense, if you move along and don't interfere with my right
to a opinion or become snotty. Its quite safe to post here
>
> It's about obsolescence. The obsolete rule this obsolete portal in an
> obsolete corner of the internet.
>
> Love it or leave it.
My sentiments exactly----let the wussies cut and run, we will stay and
duke it out.
>
> "Winsor Naugler" <dog...@ix.netcom.com>
And Winsor is part of the problem, he blames on me and my
punks.....UK.skydiving got their own board and skydiver dot com
started up along about the same time.....Winsor ran over there and
stuck his nose up somebody's ass for a moderator slot---Its now seems
to be part of his duty to come over here act onerous and run wreck
down adding nothing positive to it....Thats so USPAish tsk tsk tsk but
it does give me a woody and thats always good! 0~;)P
Big Jim
some sort of homo dominant fantasy and you prove my point by yapping about
bitches and how much it will hurt.
You proved my point !news:2e557fc8-32b4-441c...@k17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Big Jim
>
> To come here and expect anything that is or won't soon become an encounter
> with Snuffy He comes with the territory.
> One could make a strong argument that he is the territory.
"In my own defense, if you move along and don't interfere with my right
to a opinion or become snotty. Its quite safe to post here"
It's your right to have an opinion - its my right to point out how fucked up
your opinion is.
Safer than what- you gonna come hit with your purse ?
>
> It's about obsolescence. The obsolete rule this obsolete portal in an
> obsolete corner of the internet.
>
> Love it or leave it.
"My sentiments exactly----let the wussies cut and run, we will stay and
duke it out."
>
Don't get the wrong idea. This latest flurry of attention is just a result
of my doing a lot of computer work. On some of my mini breaks from it,
I come around here and fling some baseballs at your fat ass.
the unknown flailer
> You are a total dumbfuck. I bust you balls over how your "manly man" rant is
> some sort of homo dominant fantasy and you prove my point by yapping about
> bitches and how much it will hurt.
I told you it would hurt, quit bitching ;)P
the unknown flailer
> > To come here and expect anything that is or won't soon become an encounter
> > with Snuffy He comes with the territory.
> > One could make a strong argument that he is the territory.
>
> "In my own defense, if you move along and don't interfere with my right
> to a opinion or become snotty. Its quite safe to post here"
>
> It's your right to have an opinion - its my right to point out how fucked up
> your opinion is.
> Safer than what- you gonna come hit with your purse ?
>
>
>
> > It's about obsolescence. The obsolete rule this obsolete portal in an
> > obsolete corner of the internet.
>
> > Love it or leave it.
>
> "My sentiments exactly----let the wussies cut and run, we will stay and
> duke it out."
>
>
>
> Don't get the wrong idea. This latest flurry of attention is just a result
> of my doing a lot of computer work.
No wonder you lack a sense of humor, you set on your ass all day &
that puts pressure on young brains.
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Oct 24, 9:41�pm, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote:
>> Big Jim wrote:
>> > <I played my cards close to the vest though, knowing liars
>> > never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
>>
>> > The mirror speaks back.
>>
>> > A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
>> > Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
>>
>> > He is now:
>> > 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
>>
>> How so. �Give us a quote...
>
>They can't control their emotions Mike, the tears perhaps blur their
>vision and lower reading comprehension.
What, emotional "control" like, "~We must have this creeps blood~" and
"blood must be spilled" ? That what you mean, hypocrite?
>I clearly called Jerry K a liar and provided the particular quote he
>was being called on
That you suggested I had lied somewhere or when, you did that - the
whole "Thieves and liars often accuse other people of their own
weaknes" copout - but "clearly?" That's another load of crap. Quote?
There was no quote, "particular" or otherwise. As a matter of fact,
the closest you got to a "particular quote" - and it's not close at
all - was some asinine idea regarding a dubious connection of Mike to
the word, "punk" on my part - nevermind that it was ~you~ who first
made that connection - you flat out called him one - I've just been
shoving your low forehead and slack jaw into it whenever it shines the
very telling light offering remarkable perspective on what you might
be gassing on about at the moment. Great stuff like how you call a
"spade a spade," and the like. Clearly, you're out of your league.
Here's what you said:
"Well, that makes what you said before a lie, which I knew it was
because the sport is so transient, new people
coming in old leaving or moving on....Taking into consideration if you
haven't jumped with them lately, your forgotten.
I used to see it all the time, folks who had other things to do or
could only afford to come out every few months.
Nobody knew who the fuck they were----They were ignored, even treated
with suspicion. You were dragging up names of
people who just about had to be retired by now or at least slacked off
or moved on. I played my cards close to the vest though, knowing liars
never remember all their lies and get out of sync. And now you have
busted yourself. Brings to mind my psych profile of motive.....Because
you are always calling me a liar-----Remember: "Thieves and liars
often accuse other people of their own weakness?" This also brings to
mind how many times you have connected Mike to the
word punk by constantly dragging something up, I apologized for years
ago. tsk tsk tsk Book Him Danno!"
* * *
Nothing in there which anyone who wasn't an intellectually dishonest
assclown could honestly describe as a "particular quote" illustrating
a lie on another's part. No reference to what was said before which
constituted some "lie," and as a matter of fact, in the course of this
latest load of crap of yours, and not surprisingly, another lie from
you in the form of your assertion that you "apologized" to Mike for
calling him a punk "years ago" - nevermind that you called Mike a punk
in July of 2008 which was ... how many "years ago," princess?
>The only admission made was to telling sea stories, a art learned from
>over a decade of Naval service.
>I doubt anyone without USN or USMC service understands what a sea
>story is and immediately perceive
>them as lies.
There's tall tales and then there's just flat lying - you're lamely
trying to blur the stark difference between the two.
>As you probably know having been a Jar head they are
>like fish stories-built on a kernel of
>truth but becoming larger as time pass�'s.
Oh, so like when you said the biggest formation you ever saw you
watched from the ground later gets mentioned by you in terms of you
were actually on this formation, there in is the "fish story" with the
"kernel of truth" being there once was this formation. Call it what
you want - it's still lying about your skydiving. Not even a good
try, princess.
>Meant mainly as
>entertainment, they often drew laughs and
>took minds off all those hours standing in line, bad chow, boring
>tours of duty at the ass end of the world
>These kids have little sense of humor and it makes them easy marks for
>old men. They take their selves
>far too serious
Ah, so when you were talking about starting skydiving in "89 or 90,"
after saying it was a two years prior to 1995, it was a "sea story" -
a joke - "meant mainly as entertainment." Got to admit, I'm still
laughing - at you, not with you. Telling "sea stories" about your
supposed service (mr." left UDT") is one thing, banal that it is on a
skydiving newsgroup on the usenet, but telling lies about your
skydiving - undeniable, flat out, and no "kernel of truth" lies to
skydivers and calling them "sea stories," as if changing the name
dismisses the lie - well, slight regard and contempt for your puerile,
little act is only fitting. At the dz it'd be sitsuit solos and
wedgies for lying posers like you.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
What "lie," what "quotes," what proof?
>Every body lies
>sooner or later, its a human carateristic.
While this is as may be, recognizing this "carateristic" does nothing
to take away the fact that you are a liar nor does it establish that
anyone other than yourself is or has been lying about their skydiving.
>...Read the post again all I
>said about myself was "I tell sea stories"
And now you're lamely attempting to blur the sharp difference between
telling flat out lies and embellishing a story - as if such would make
your lies any less lies.
>Which I haven't done in
>years because it upset some one hitch boots.
That's a load of crap and in of it self, a lie - or would you like to
cast this latest stinking pile of yours as another "sea story," too,
dumbass?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/620cab7050588705
<Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT)>
"I got a sea story about that boot shit. About 8 years
into my service me..."
* * *
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/5ad62cc0e083d6cc
<Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:17:58 -0700 (PDT)>
"I have a sea story on the M.I. only thing, got the shit beat out of
myself up at A.P. Hill because I..."
* * *
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/ddfd9c1cec4599e1
<Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 00:02:37 -0700 (PDT)>
"I got a sea story about a retired Master Chief, that won't talk to me
anymore Here goes: Stopped at a yard sale a few years ago..."
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"Haven't done in years" ? Simply pathetic. Just the same, there's a
huge gulf between embellishing a story and flat out lies - you, of
course, do both while trying to cast the lies - especially when you
get busted for those lies - as simply "sea stories" and it's
transparent as hell.
>One USN, the other USMC.
>So you are wrong Biggy butt and Mike is right, no where it that post
>did I specifically claim "I was not a liar" as you stated.
While you did not specifically claim in "that post" "(you were) not a
liar," this does specifically illustrate just what an enormous
hypocrite you are as you, without citation, assert others are lying
when they 1) haven't, and 2) have in the past presented- and can
present again clear examples of you indeed lying - as opposed to you
simply telling a "sea story."
>You kids
>need
>reading comprehension class's
This from the same assclown who for whatever reason called Mike a punk
when Mike asserted where he works is likethe bar business - recession
proof. Reading comprehension? Either you meant Mike was a punk or
you couldn't comprehend who you were responding to - which are you
going to man up and admit to, princess? This newsgroup is littered
with examples of you "reading" something and getting it wrong.
>and some PROZAC suppository's or else to
>quit reading what I have to say about
>snot nosed punks and while your at it apologize to Mike you little
>punk!
Let's be clear here - are you calling the BigE a punk or Mike?" The
criteria for such a label has been somewhat nebulous in the past, at
least when you're throwing it around.
>Jesus they must push these kids through
>school-----None of them know how to read-
1800skydive or 1800skyride, hypocrite?
>---One other item you and
>Jerry girl might remember. DZ politics don't
>work on wreck.....So quit trying to make shit up
This from the same assclown whose bread and butter is "trying to make
shit up." Try again, hypocrite.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Cut the crap, liar. Where is the "truth" in your saying you started
skydiving in "89 or 90" when you also said it was two years before
1995? Blurring the difference between a big, fat lie and somethng else
by calling the big, fat lie something else doesn't make it any less a
big, fat lie. The "truth" you base your skydiving "sea stories" on?
Well, that skydiving does exist is true - after that, what you spew in
here vs. the truth is justly called what it is - big, fat lies.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 06:21:15 -0700 (PDT), the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >On Oct 24, 9:41 pm, Mike Spurgeon <m...@spurgeon.net> wrote:
> >> Big Jim wrote:
> >> > <I played my cards close to the vest though, knowing liars
> >> > never remember all their lies and get out of sync.>- J. Smith 10-23-09
>
> >> > The mirror speaks back.
>
> >> > A rainy Saturday here in Sunny South Fla.
> >> > Read some of Snuffy's latest drivel.
>
> >> > He is now:
> >> > 1. Claiming he is not a liar.
>
> >> How so. Give us a quote...
>
> >They can't control their emotions Mike, the tears perhaps blur their
> >vision and lower reading comprehension.
>
> What, emotional "control" like, "~We must have this creeps blood~" and
> "blood must be spilled" ? That what you mean, hypocrite?
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Well Well my darling little Punk is back....Small jim couldn't cut the
mustard, he lashed out at Mike. Mikes a detail
man, he will kill you on details so you have to have them right. Thats
the JM in him I guess, dunno it might be part of his normal
personality, he's been a JM so long its hard to tell. Got a streak of
honesty in him too so its best you punks
don't try pulling your crybaby & lying shit on him. I can see the
problem. I warp young minds, did it to Chuck, do it to you all the
time....Small jim? He's a computer geek, they might be good with
binary codes but other wise their pretty simple minded. I could make
him believe night was day with my Psyops training...Look, he's already
seeing shit that ain't there!
The blood thing? I'm old school from the early part of last century
and believe in blood atonement. Think of me as a old
back wards Mafia don sticking by the old codes. I'm not Italian nor
have ever been a wise guy, unless you count
whacking enemy's of the State in war---Which I now regret. Nope its
the back woods way and no other for me--Now having said that, "squeal
like a pig for me boy!" heh heh I know you like it and I got plenty of
it you lying little punk! 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
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Dunno, I based the time line on how long it took me to get the D. 4 or
5 years I'm thinking. My logbook got gummed up in a white water
kayaking roll over...The pages are still stuck together...Made me sad
when it happened but now I see it as Gods blessing, I can stir the
punks into a frenzy trying to recollect the time line. Yep its kinda
fun, are you having fun yet kid? Let me see now...ummmm I remember
competing at the POPS Nationals in 1995 and doing a few other things
that required a D, oh yeah.....Did I tell you the 4-way team I was on
won a bronze that year? I was on kid not some kind of made up shit
like you pulled on your long dead ego page trying to steal former team
members medals tsk tsk tsk.
But the up side is me and the Chicago god frog shut that little Jerry
K scheme down HOOWAH HA HA HA
Oh well it was about time for some honesty in the sport and on wreck,
glad to point a double dealer like you out
punk. Just call me the enforcer! Yah Yah squeel like a pig for me boy!
0~;-*
Big Jim
kayaking roll over...>
Why would you take your skydiving log book with you to go kayaking ????
Or ..., could this be one of those sea stories you don't tell anymore.
This is one of the lamest excuses you have ever made.
You gonna "corner" me again??
the unknown flailer
> <My logbook got gummed up in a white water
> kayaking roll over...>
>
> Why would you take your skydiving log book with you to go kayaking ????
>
hang around DZ's so I drove over to Comel County,
picked her up-----Went to SDSM made a few jumps, left, went
elsewhere...rented a Kayak and took off down the GLR
Put in below the dam, ran Slumber and Waco, picked a spot...Pitched
camp etc..The log book was with me because
I planned to catch it up along the way. Jumped with some interesting
people that Sat. (one of them nicknamed Couch) and wanted to fill in
details. Broke camp, loaded the Kayak and hit the river
again....Rolled the bastard about noon.
Anyway to make a long story short, finally caught up with the paddles
and made the rondo with her mother at a
bridge crossing, She took our daughter home. Went on down the river
alone and pulled it out at the agreed place...The rental people had
prepositioned my car in the woods and would come along and pick up
their kayak later. Bitching weekend, only bad part was my log book and
pistol got wet. The pistol cleaned up nice but that log book was a
sodden mess..Why are you a cop or something? Perhaps you are writing a
book? Well leave that chapter out small jim. ;)P
Mike Spurgeon
reality escapes a few people here...
the unknown flailer
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These kids live in small worlds, they lack life experience to the
point of almost being like dumb animals. I feel sorry for the poor
things-----Do my best to broaden their world but it just seems to piss
them off. I think perhaps its because they can't schedule and multi
function work/family responsibilities and sports. I can see the small
wheels between his ears turning.
"Why did he drop his daughter off at a bridge instead of taking her
home? Well young ignorant Jim. My job was
250 miles away and I had to be there at 7:15 Monday morning. Her
mother was nice enough to meet us and pick her up.
That saved me another 80 miles on top of the 250. Her mother was a non
adventurous city girl and couldn't wait to get her back, afraid she
would get killed hanging with me. I had it great for a while, taught
her to pack when she was 9....She felt important and didn't mind the
DZ's so much then because she felt involved. Her mom ruined that.
"L.J. don't feel bad if your dads chute don't open because you packed
it." DAMN Wuffo mothers! Dumb as the punks hanging around the sport in
some ways. L.J. was afraid to pack my main anymore. I lost time, had
to pack between loads rather than schmooze
with the few people I liked. I had all weekend packing going on there
for a hug here and there - the price of a hamburger and coke for a
few years there. Plus it built a lot of trust and made here feel
important. Ahhhh well by the time she became a teen she would have
probably been demanding $5 a pack from her poor old daddy. Its been my
experience omething or somebody always seems to come along and screw
up a good deal, thats life I guess. ;-0
Jerry K.
>taught her to pack when she was 9....
>by the time she became a teen she would have
>probably been demanding $5 a pack from her poor old daddy.
>I had all weekend packing going on there for a hug here and there -
>the price of a hamburger and coke for a few years there.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/1bd24d49fdf4e340
"When my daughter was 11 she started packing to checkpoints for me. As
a reward she got an observers ride at 13."
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Reality does indeed escape a few people here.
...bsrp
...jlk
Big Jim
Right, and your dog ate your homework.
Your credibility quotient is zero.
If the jump with Couch, was so interesting, why didn't you log it at the DZ
and get Couch to sign it ?
I am not a cop, if I were writing a book, you would not be in it and if I am
small because of some perceived (by you) , shortcomings
you as perceived (by me) are fucking microscopic.
Jerry K.
wrote:
I'm enjoying the (lack of) planning aspects.
Sure - going kayaking on the Guadalupe. Horshoe, Hueco, Slumber
rapids among others - "No, getting wet won't happen to me."
Shit, I've been down from the dam to Gruene a half dozen times in my
life but even if I hadn't, I'd kinda consider the idea of getting wet
being at very least a possibility and take simple steps to keep the
stuff I didn't want to get wet separated from water - you know - using
baggies, ziplocs, and garbage bags, or even - "Hmm, kayak on water
with rapids from time to time - maybe leave logbook in car."
And then there's the part of the story where his cheap labor parachute
packer gets picked up and Jinnie forges on - what happened to her
kayak? Left for the outfitters? The ex take it back to the
outfitters? Jinnie towed it to the pickup point? Abandoned?
And then there's this gem:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/a03fc9223251966f
"When I rolled the kayak my first thought was "oh shit! my
logbook!" That was my sign things were getting out of ballance The
best ones arta be burned into yer memory just relax and go ohm ohm ohm
they will come back and besides if yew got a D no one needs to sign
yer logbook, just get their names off of maniefest and log them down.
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The river ate Jinnie's homework.
...bsrp
...jlk
Big Jim
Need I remind you that on another occasion the dingleberry's lack of
planning,
resulted in the tarmac eating his face.
Jerry K.
wrote:
><<I'm enjoying the (lack of) planning aspects.>>
The 10th Anniversary of such being this very Sunday, no less.
Jerry
Big Jim
If I had a pail of bullshit, I would hoist it in his honor. If he runs true
to form, I presume he will leave several pails full around here by Friday.
Unless his dog eats his keyboard...
"Jerry K." <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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the unknown flailer
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:45:00 -0500, "Big Jim" <lisaj...@the-beach.net>
Thats probably because you're a pussy toober, you probably never went
past City Park, thats where they make the toobers get out....We canoed
the San Marcus also, all it had was Class one rapids. No drunks, no
toobers, no punks.
I found kayak and canoe people although mostly young are a better
group overall than skydivers.. Their not as hyper
or ego ridden, more willing to help each other---I think its the
education. Less Engineering and Technical degrees and
more Liberal Arts degree's
>
>
> The river ate Jinnie's homework.
and cell phone but that was insured by lock line
>
> ...bsrp
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Yep, still have it but the pages are glued together-Some good memories
& signatures are in there of people who are now dead...Cheap ass USPA
products tsk tsk tsk. And I think she quit packing around 11. Packed
neater than I did, thats for sure but the check point system is the
way I trained her...She asked about pro packing and I said "nope, not
only are you too short but only punks pro pack." I didn't know how
anyway--Not many people pro packed back then.---If you saw someone pro
packing it was a pretty good bet they were a asshole or else a pack
rat, had always flat packed with the roll pack being my favorite. I'm
surprised you didn't jump on the earlier packing threads when I said I
always packed my own, never used a packer.....Your slipping sonny boy,
next thing you know the gears in your head will be stripped like small
jims. ;)P
the unknown flailer
> <<I'm enjoying the (lack of) planning aspects.>>
>
> Need I remind you that on another occasion the dingleberry's lack of
> planning,
I guess you little city fellows can't survive without a REI catalog
eh? small you should call them and see if they have teflon gears to
replace the cheap plastic melted ones between your ears ;->
the unknown flailer
>Why are you a cop or something? Perhaps you are writing a
> book? Well leave that chapter out small jim. ;)P>>>>>>
>
> Right, and your dog ate your homework.
>
> Your credibility quotient is zero.
> If the jump with Couch, was so interesting, why didn't you log it at the DZ
> and get Couch to sign it ?
I did, but always added comments later----Couch was what skydiving
used to be about...A gathering of eccentrics
>
> I am not a cop, if I were writing a book, you would not be in it and if I am
> small because of some perceived (by you) , shortcomings
> you as perceived (by me) are fucking microscopic.
Geezer, here I try to help you kids out with your emotions and medical
problems pop up.
You get too much information and it causes migraines, I come up with a
pool pin award for Jerry to alleviate the craving he has for
recognition and suddenly he has acid reflux, yawl are worse than women
with female problems. ;-*
Jerry K.
Naw, I've kayaked and canoed in Texas, elsewhere in the US, and in
other countries and my logbooks have all remained entirely
unsubmerged.
>you probably never went
>past City Park,
Sure, but what if I hadn't? How is that relevant?
>thats where they make the toobers get out....We canoed
>the San Marcus also, all it had was Class one rapids. No drunks, no
>toobers, no punks.
So, what - based on your conception of who might be a punk you're
saying they'd make Mike get out?
>I found kayak and canoe people although mostly young are a better
>group overall than skydivers..
Ya know, princess, there are kayak and canoe usenet groups but of
course, that doesn't matter - skydiving chewed you up and spit you out
and all that's left is you trying to prove that you're still bigger
and tougher than skydiving and any old skydiver still skydiving (or at
least has more than two jumps in the past thirteen plus years) - that
you beat skydiving because you got skydivers on the usenet who give
you attention as they call you on your crap. Sure beats skydiving, eh
pricess?
>Their not as hyper
>or ego ridden, more willing to help each other---I think its the
>education. Less Engineering and Technical degrees and
>more Liberal Arts degree's
What, you take a poll? Shit too funny! So, tell us, Jinnie - what's
the blanket opinion and collegiate assessment on skydivers who ALSO
kayak and canoe? How about kayakers and canoers who skydive? Same as
it ever was - Jinnie's just spewing crap because he thinks it sounds
good.
>>
>> The river ate Jinnie's homework.
>
>and cell phone but that was insured by lock line
"Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - going kayaking with stuff that shouldn't get
wet ... Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - not bothering to put it in a bag or
anything else water resistance - Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - rapids in duh
river but everything'll be fine - Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - other people
overturn but it won't happen to me - Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb!" Gurgle.
Stupid is as stupid does, ya know?
>Yep, still have it but the pages are glued together-Some good memories
>& signatures are in there of people who are now dead...Cheap ass USPA
>products tsk tsk tsk.
Oh, the product's fine - USPA just made the mistake of not
idiot-proofing their logbooks against the prospect of boneheads who
for all practical purposes throw them into rivers, bonehead.
> And I think she quit packing around 11. Packed
>neater than I did, thats for sure but the check point system is the
>way I trained her...She asked about pro packing and I said "nope, not
>only are you too short but only punks pro pack.
So, you're suggesting Mike pro-packs? Good for him if he does - it's
a perfectly useful method of packing. I pro-pack a few times a year
just to remind myself I still can.
>" I didn't know how
>anyway
One would ithink that with all those "punks" at dropzones pro-packing
and with your low rent packing racket, you would have had ample time
to take like three minutes to see how it's done. Hate to break it to
you, dumbass, (not really) but pro-packing is very, very similar to a
flat-pack except it's done without a quarter twist to the lines as the
flakes are going on and overall pro-packing isn't near as anal
retentive in terms of visually lining up things just so.
>--Not many people pro packed back then.---If you saw someone pro
>packing it was a pretty good bet they were a asshole or else a pack
>rat,
More classic Jinnie - it's not the person himself, what he does, his
actions, which are the measure but simply what method he has chosen to
pack a parachute which tells the tale. How many malfunctions you
have, dipshit? And over what space of time?
>had always flat packed with the roll pack being my favorite. I'm
>surprised you didn't jump on the earlier packing threads when I said I
>always packed my own, never used a packer.
Naw, I've jumped you on that inconsistancy before - admitting to paid
packers, ect and besides, if your idea of quality familiy time is
making your kid pack your parachute because you're too lazy to do it
yourself, hell, it's your family and not mine (thank God).
>....Your slipping sonny boy,
>next thing you know the gears in your head will be stripped like small
>jims.
You wish but the reality is, the BigE has been calling your bluffs and
handily throwing your crap back in your face for a good, long time
now. But if you want to play pretend that "gears" are "stripped" or
whatever, you have a party - it's not reality but it sure beats
skydiving, eh, junior?
FIve days til the 10th anniversary of Jinnie's lunch-date with tarmac
flavored destiny.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
><The 10th Anniversary of such being this very Sunday, no less.>
>
>If I had a pail of bullshit, I would hoist it in his honor. If he runs true
>to form, I presume he will leave several pails full around here by Friday.
>
>Unless his dog eats his keyboard...
>
Given the dingleberry types with the same hand he wipes with and
guesses for grabs how he washes that thing, a dog might.
Jerry
the unknown flailer
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:30:52 -0500, "Big Jim" <lisaj...@the-beach.net>
> wrote:
>
> ><The 10th Anniversary of such being this very Sunday, no less.>
>
> >If I had a pail of bullshit, I would hoist it in his honor. If he runs true
> >to form, I presume he will leave several pails full around here by Friday.
>
> >Unless his dog eats his keyboard...
>
> Given the dingleberry types with the same hand he wipes with and
> guesses for grabs how he washes that thing, a dog might.
>
> Jerry
you two girls really need to go out and get a couple of boyfriends,
tagging along with a old flailer worrying about how he wipes his ass
can't be good for your reputation. Should have excepted the pool pin
idea kid, now you got nothing.
Jerry K.
Don't you worry your pointy, little head over another's "reputation,"
princess - especially in terms of what simply amounts to slapping down
your stupid, little act in a backwater of the usenet. Besides, if you
were actually mindfull of "reputation" you wouldn't let yourself get
busted so often and so clearly for all those stupid lies, poses,
errant stupidities ("nothing is recession proof punk!"), hypocrisies,
and contradictions. That ain't rhetoric - I can cite examples
illustrating each and every charge.
>Should have excepted the pool pin
>idea kid, now you got nothing.
Oh, woe (sarcasm, dummy) - Jinnie gurgles into "being" simply a
concept of a "pool pin" which ostensibly one would wear to display
having been in a camera pool at a meet and more importantly for Jinnie
- pose and preen with, only to announce it no longer being available
because this "pool pin," nevermind it never moving beyond BS stage,
was not "excepted." Imagine my <sarcasm, dummy> disappointment.
Especially since <reality, dummy> being in a camera pool on multiple
occasions is not outside my realm of experience. Of course, Jinnie
during the short period of time he jumped made damn for sure to afix
anything possible to his custom fashioned BodySport because, as
shallow as he is, it's always been the cover one must judge the book
by. Loser.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Think they might have kayaks with logbook sized waterproof
compartments for idiots too stupid to consider the pitfalls of
transporting irreplaceable documents down a river dotted with rapids?
Moron.
...bsrp
...jlk
Big Jim
problems pop up.>
And, you gave me this migrane, how ? The only medical condition I've ever
had associated with you is sometimes I get I pain below my ribs from
laughing when you are
the brunt of a particularly funny joke or insult. Or, sometimes I laugh at
you trying to crawfish your way out of not being able to keep your lies
straight. ( Note, the operative word here is "at")
BTW, I note you refer to you "logbook" (singular) most of my logbooks(more
than 1) only have space for 300 jumps or so. Oh thats right, you never made
300.
Have I reminded you lately, that, in the modern world, you would not even
qualify for your precious D, that you are constantly bragging about having.
Not enough jumps.
Don't cry, it doesn't matter much anyway, like Peter L. pointed out the
other day, it's merely an indication of how much money you have spent
skydiving.
the unknown flailer
>
> Dingleberry, maybe the VA can send you to a psychiatrist, you are going from
> being a habitual liar to delusional. Get help.
They can send me any where they want...They pay for everything then
send me pocket money. I reckon they are afraid to send me for a psych
eval, might have to raise me to 100% service related disability
because the Navy trained me, taught me to think, give 110%-- trained
for pain all the way, every day----They must read wreck skydiving and
like the results because out of no where they raised my monthly check
$248. I now get $2369 a month from the Govt. The VA Office ain't cheap
Charlie's they send you to outside specialists at the drop of a
hat.....Just think Jerry had a offer to get with the program but
turned yellow & peed his pants . Now he's hanging around DZ's
chiseling nickles and dimes like some two bit punk! tsk tsk tsk I am
appalled Texas and the United States of America could turn out a sissy
boy like that! 0~;->
Jerry K.
Tell us again about climbing up that tree and ultimately escaping to
the parking lot and off the property as a couple of irate girls were
seeking you towards the purpose of merely "getting in your face,"
Jinnie? Hypocrite.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:55:11 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
You perhaps have me mixed up with big city people? I rented the damn
thing, took what they had...I ain't no flogging
city yup driving around with a bicycle rack or kayak on a fancy
foreign car and the out fitter wasn't prepared for a
skydiver with log book to protect. He knew I was crazy though because
he kept saying get out at the portage
and leave our equipment there, don't go over the Dam! Your car will be
nearby. GET OUT BEFORE THE DAM!
Dammit. Saw it in my eyes I suspect. He was right, I walked down and
looked at what he called a dam after I pulled the boat out. Looked
like a 75 foot high spillway with a 45 degree face to me. Shit I may
be trained to take risks like I was crazy but I ain't stupid, been
caught in hydraulic action before....It can whip Superman's ass, I saw
better men than I
drown while being held down by the force of high speed water at the
bottom of a drop. ;-P
the unknown flailer
>
>
> BTW, I note you refer to you "logbook" (singular) most of my logbooks(more
> than 1) only have space for 300 jumps or so. Oh thats right, you never made
> 300.
Funny, this one was loose leaf spiral flip book style and had room for
600 jumps although I saw one guy get 800 logged jumps in one, then
their was this 30 something compulsive type with the old hard back
style log book and he just logged numbers, with no writing, no telling
how many he got in his,
> Have I reminded you lately, that, in the modern world, you would not even
> qualify for your precious D, that you are constantly bragging about having.
> Not enough jumps.
>
> Don't cry, it doesn't matter much anyway, like Peter L. pointed out the
> other day, it's merely an indication of how much money you have spent
> skydiving.
And it used to be said by old timers....All that USPA number was
designed for was to keep track of the membership
administratively...New comers turned it into a ego thing. They were
right, I saw the same thing at a camping club.
People walking around, strutting because their number was lower than
some one elses...In many cases it just
meant they joined sooner but probably camped less. Such is human
nature.....But look here, I'm lobbying to
get your girlfriend Jerry a pool pin---You trying to queer it?
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 4:22�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:55:11 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 23, 6:06�pm, "Big Jim" <lisaj...@the-beach.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Think they might have kayaks with logbook sized waterproof
>> compartments for idiots too stupid to consider the pitfalls of
>> transporting irreplaceable documents down a river dotted with rapids?
>> Moron.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>You perhaps have me mixed up with big city people?
No, there is no mix up in the slightest and it's clear that it was
some self described non "big city person" who could have benefitted
from such a kayak. Or did your logbook not become submerged after you
took it with you onboard your rental kayak lacking such a waterproof
compartment and later into river rapids?
>I rented the damn
>thing, took what they had.
Allthe while not even considering what all would get wet if you lost
control and overturned.
>..I ain't no flogging
>city yup driving around with a bicycle rack or kayak on a fancy
>foreign car
You mean perhaps an experienced kayaker - you know, experienced enough
to have his own kayak as opposed to some green tourist looking for a
rental?
>and the out fitter wasn't prepared for a
>skydiver with log book to protect.
The skydiver certainly wasn't prepared enough to protect it. Yep, not
enough congitive ability, let alone abstract thought to be able to
consider how to protect his logbook from being submerged.
>He knew I was crazy though because
>he kept saying get out at the portage
>and leave our equipment there, don't go over the Dam! Your car will be
>nearby. GET OUT BEFORE THE DAM!
Of course he knew you were "crazy." Because you imagine he just must
have known. "Crazy" AND a mind reader, no less <sarcasm, dummy>. Why,
to the sane people he surely encourages them to remain in the portage,
keep the equipment, and go over the dam. No - it was clearly an
example of keeping after company property in the face of another
greenhorn pretending to be some whitewater afficinado.
>Dammit. Saw it in my eyes I suspect.
One would think he would be more interested in his rented out kayak
and its proximity to the dam.
>He was right, I walked down and
>looked at what he called a dam after I pulled the boat out. Looked
>like a 75 foot high spillway with a 45 degree face to me. Shit I may
>be trained to take risks like I was crazy but I ain't stupid, been
>caught in hydraulic action before....It can whip Superman's ass, I saw
>better men than I
>drown while being held down by the force of high speed water at the
>bottom of a drop.
So, I would suggest, given your admitted ignorance of what lay ahead
at the time, when he was yelling at your green ass it wasn't so much
an expression of acknowledgement as to you purported "crazy" but an
expression of wanting to save his rented kayak from going over the dam
with or without the ignorant renter. But, no - it just had to be all
about an affirmation that you were "crazy" and as such, you were to be
treated with the caution and deference afforded to actual "crazy"
people. Reality? Just another outfitter trying to keep from having
to deal with the hassle of retreiving his property on the low side of
the dam. Guess he saved your life. Too bad they didn't have those
special kayaks with waterproof logbook compartments for the kayak and
mentally challenged, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:42:57 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> >> compartments for idiots too stupid to consider the pitfalls of
> >> transporting irreplaceable documents down a river dotted with rapids?
> >> Moron.
>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
>
recollections now....... pause...... huh? < evil grin>
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 4:24�pm, "Big Jim" <lisaj...@the-beach.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> BTW, I note you refer to you "logbook" (singular) most of my logbooks(more
>> than 1) only have space for 300 jumps or so. Oh thats right, you never made
>> 300.
>
>Funny, this one was loose leaf spiral flip book style and had room for
>600 jumps although I saw one guy get 800 logged jumps in one, then
>their was this 30 something compulsive type with the old hard back
>style log book and he just logged numbers, with no writing, no telling
>how many he got in his,
>
>> Have I reminded you lately, that, in the modern world, you would not even
>> qualify for your precious D, that you are constantly bragging about having.
>> Not enough jumps.
>>
>> Don't cry, it doesn't matter much anyway, like Peter L. pointed out the
>> other day, it's merely an indication of how much money you have spent
>> skydiving.
>
>And it used to be said by old timers.
Who says they're not still saying it
>...All that USPA number was
>designed for was to keep track of the membership
>administratively...New comers turned it into a ego thing.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/b18cdf693b07873d
"Eats your ass up don't it, just like my D number being lower
than yours does don't it? "
"Whats your D # punk, I want to see how
many thousands I am below you.."
* * *
<regarding some "New comer" named Bob Sinclair>
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/944fcbc115dde5ba
"always signed with his C number cuz he said the PCA fukked him on his
D number"
* * *
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/e115658841231fde
"Even old Bob Sinclare liked to sign with a number other than his D
which was pretty damn low. I asked him why once out at Waller. "Ah
they fucked me on my D number!"
* * *
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/734305368e9cdffa
< Oct 26 1995, 1:00 am>
"Just started two years ago "
Snuffy D-17105
* * *
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/974bb70459d18e96
<Dec 02 2003>
>Hey Snuff, what's your D number?
"7105
the old Philosopher"
* * *
Stupid "New comers!" LOL!
>They were
>right, I saw the same thing at a camping club.
>People walking around, strutting because their number was lower than
>some one elses...In many cases it just
>meant they joined sooner but probably camped less. Such is human
>nature.....But look here, I'm lobbying to
>get your girlfriend Jerry a pool pin---You trying to queer it?
heheheh - can't be "queered" anymore than it already has with you in
the mix. LOL!!!
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
I recollect that it is now four days until the 10th anniversary of
your lunch date with tarmac flavored destiny. After your
commemorative ride around the neighborhood in the ambulance, Jinnie,
maybe you can have a bowl of rice crispies for their snap-crackle pop!
LOL!
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
If you never ended up looking at the bottom of a river while the
bottom of your kayak was sky side up you haven't truly kayaked
>
> >> Shit, I've been down from the dam to Gruene a half dozen times in my
> >> life but even if I hadn't, I'd kinda consider the idea of getting wet
> >> being at very least a possibility and take simple steps to keep the
> >> stuff I didn't want to get wet separated from water - you know - using
> >> baggies, ziplocs, and garbage bags, or even - "Hmm, kayak on water
> >> with rapids from time to time - maybe leave logbook in car."
>
> >Thats probably because you're a pussy toober,
>
> Naw, I've kayaked and canoed in Texas, elsewhere in the US, and in
> other countries and my logbooks have all remained entirely
> unsubmerged.
>
> >you probably never went
> >past City Park,
>
> Sure, but what if I hadn't? How is that relevant?
It shows your skill level or lack of for one thing...No pool pin and
damn No kayaking pin either, what kind of extreme sportsman do you
think you are anyway? Get over there and warm the bench punk!
>
> >thats where they make the toobers get out....We canoed
> >the San Marcus also, all it had was Class one rapids. No drunks, no
> >toobers, no punks.
>
> So, what - based on your conception of who might be a punk you're
> saying they'd make Mike get out?
>
> >I found kayak and canoe people although mostly young are a better
> >group overall than skydivers..
>
> Ya know, princess, there are kayak and canoe usenet groups but of
> course, that doesn't matter - skydiving chewed you up and spit you out
> and all that's left is you trying to prove that you're still bigger
> and tougher than skydiving and any old skydiver still skydiving (or at
> least has more than two jumps in the past thirteen plus years) - that
> you beat skydiving because you got skydivers on the usenet who give
> you attention as they call you on your crap. Sure beats skydiving, eh
> pricess?
>
> >Their not as hyper
> >or ego ridden, more willing to help each other---I think its the
> >education. Less Engineering and Technical degrees and
> >more Liberal Arts degree's
>
>
>
> >> The river ate Jinnie's homework.
>
> >and cell phone but that was insured by lock line
>
> "Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - going kayaking with stuff that shouldn't get
> wet ... Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - not bothering to put it in a bag or
> anything else water resistance - Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - rapids in duh
> river but everything'll be fine - Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb - other people
> overturn but it won't happen to me - Dum-dee-dum-dee-dumb!" Gurgle.
> Stupid is as stupid does, ya know?
>
> >Yep, still have it but the pages are glued together-Some good memories
> >& signatures are in there of people who are now dead...Cheap ass USPA
> >products tsk tsk tsk.
>
> Oh, the product's fine - USPA just made the mistake of not
> idiot-proofing their logbooks against the prospect of boneheads who
> for all practical purposes throw them into rivers, bonehead.
Didn't throw it into the river dummy, the river came into the kayak
and got it----Shit happens sometimes
>
> > And I think she quit packing around 11. Packed
> >neater than I did, thats for sure but the check point system is the
> >way I trained her...She asked about pro packing and I said "nope, not
> >only are you too short but only punks pro pack.
>
> So, you're suggesting Mike pro-packs?
Mike has the seniority to pack anyway he wants, since he is also a TM/
JM and probably carrying quite a load for his age already he shouldn't
even have to pack...His drive for attention to detail says he probably
does either pack his own or supervise who ever does
> >--Not many people pro packed back then.---If you saw someone pro
> >packing it was a pretty good bet they were a asshole or else a pack
> >rat,
>
> More classic Jinnie - it's not the person himself, what he does, his
> actions, which are the measure but simply what method he has chosen to
> pack a parachute which tells the tale. How many malfunctions you
> have, dipshit? And over what space of time?
>
Ummmm 3 or 4 I think one was caused by a rigger trainee who used too
much cable on the pin...It was a Javelin with soft cable housings and
it never occurred to him that too much cable might form a U and bind
up the reserve cable. Wow
what a rush!
> >had always flat packed with the roll pack being my favorite. I'm
> >surprised you didn't jump on the earlier packing threads when I said I
> >always packed my own, never used a packer.
>
> >....Your slipping sonny boy, next thing you know the gears in your head will be stripped like small
> >jims.
>
>
the unknown flailer
>thuythu wrote
> <... here I try to help you kids out with your emotions and medical problems pop up.>
>
Gave you more information than your narrow mind could process, oh
well~could have been worse, your lucky I didn't tell a sea story which
would be totally beyond your comprehension due to limited experience
heh. We used to have two boots on here---one Navy the other USMC, one
hitch wonders,,,The sailor had never been to sea or out of CONUS, the
Jar head
claimed to have been to Vietnam---My sea stories set their ass's on
fire and I enjoyed that, am I a wicked old man or what?
>
.
> Have I reminded you lately, that, in the modern world, you would not even
> qualify for your precious D,
Thats OK I'm Grandfathered under the old rules and you can bet your
ass if I was still jumping I'd be rubbing it in. 0~;->
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't recall climbing a tree, no need to, it was dusk~evening shadows
were gathering. SPX League City had
a open front hanger---Thats where we packed. The inside was well lit
so you could see what you were doing
while packing....A small crowd of jumpers had gathered outside the
Hangers gaping door and were peering in.
I walked up behind them and looked over their heads. There stood
Christie and Mad Dog in the middle of that
packing floor...Mad Dog was S&TA back then. Christi was dancing around
crying & blubbering while waving her
arms in the air...All I could hear was "THAT CRAZY SON OF A BITCH,
ALMOST KILLED US!!!!, HE TRACKED
INTO THE MIDDLE OF OUR CANOPY FORMATION AND THREW OUT, IF YOU DON'T DO
SOMETHING I'M
GOING TO SCRATCH HIS EYES OUT!" Mad Dog had a frown on her face and
was saying..."I know, I know,
he's a bad old man...I'll chew him out when I catch him!" heh heh My
momma didn't raise no fools, I simply
walked away--Threw my unpacked parachute in my pickup and left the
scene of the crime.
Mad Dog never did say anything to me, she either forgot which I doubt
because Christi walked around glaring at me for several months. I
think Mad Dog just liked bad old boys. We did tend to liven up the DZ
and make life interesting.
I wasn't the only hood around SPX back then you know.....Just the
oldest hooligan.
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nope carry me to the VA, the room/board & medical treatment there is
free for me and they will bring ice cream to my bed side---If I want
Pizza they will order that to. You coulda been a Vet too kid but you
cut and run when our country called ;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:55:54 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> >People walking around, strutting because their number was lower than
> >some one elses...In many cases it just
> >meant they joined sooner but probably camped less. Such is human
> >nature.....But look here, I'm lobbying to
> >get your girlfriend Jerry a pool pin---You trying to queer it?
>
> heheheh - can't be "queered" anymore than it already has with you in
> the mix. LOL!!!
>
> ...bsrp
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dunno about that, two young fudge packing bootee boys or one straight
arrow old man...I believe yawl can queer the hell out of things better
than I can 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:42:57 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
>
>
>
>
> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 24, 4:22 pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>
>
> >..I ain't no flogging
> >city yup driving around with a bicycle rack or kayak on a fancy
> >foreign car
>
> You mean perhaps an experienced kayaker - you know, experienced enough
> to have his own kayak as opposed to some green tourist looking for a
> rental?
Own a kayak and rack? Good kayaks don't come cheap & skydiving ate up
most of my money....I jumped out of planes
a hell of a lot more often than I got to a fast river, perhaps if I
had lived next to white water the expense might have made
sense, as it was I worked 70 hour's in 5 days then drove on a
percentage rainy weekends hauling paper from the mill to warehouse
around Houston, made good money but that money went to gear, lift
tickets and beer, rent, child support
etc etc etc the normal everyday things plus side trips like the kayak
thing and a train trip to Glacier to snow mobile
with my daughter on her birthday....I guess the way you think----I
should have bought my own snow mobiles huh?
You are a fucking idiot kid. I worked hard and played hard, having
diverse interests can be expensive if you buy your own gear for
each------>Do the math and I think you will find renting is cheaper if
your into more than one thing...Oh yeah
Snuffy liked to ride the rails, he used to hop the boxcars as a young
man then buy sleeper car tickets as he aged because his little girl
demanded more comfortable travel arrangements. Why didn't he buy his
own train? Yep you kids are definitely simple minded, you don't live
in the real world. Not to mention your both too too lazy to do half of
what I've done.
T.S. Elliot wrote: "To do the useful thing, to say the courageous
thing, to contemplate the beautiful thing, that is enough for one mans
life." By those standards I've lived more than one mans life and more.
I've not only hunted man but have been
hunted by man. After coming home from the Asian wars I never hunted
for meat again and I used to love hunting as a kid.
My rule after the war was ~If it don't hunt me, I'm not hunting it.~
You little girly boys haven't lived and with those narrow minded pussy
outlooks you have you never will truly live...Oh you will skydive but
your faking real life. You avoid
responsibility or any real danger like it was the plage...You are just
taking up space and wasting other peoples money you little titty
babies and thats another thing......Your both faking being men, thats
why you seem effeminate to me most of the time and I'm thinking "gee
they must be gay" HAW HAW HAW
>
> >and the out fitter wasn't prepared for a
> >skydiver with log book to protect.
>
> The skydiver certainly wasn't prepared enough to protect it. Yep, not
> enough congitive ability, let alone abstract thought to be able to
> consider how to protect his logbook from being submerged.
Yes that was a shame but now seems a blessing because we have to go by
my recollection of the jumps & various incidents now and I know thats
going to drive you crazy hahaha
>
> >He knew I was crazy though because
> >he kept saying get out at the portage
> >and leave our equipment there, don't go over the Dam! Your car will be
> >nearby. GET OUT BEFORE THE DAM!
>
> Of course he knew you were "crazy."
Nottttttt, I'm certified....got papers that say I'm not crazy---Been
examined by mental health teams. All they could come up with was I
don't think like #1 I'm expected to---- #2 I'm third culture to the
point of being different. in other words I walk my own path, live by
my own code....Lucky the code I live by is stricter than society's or
I might have been a psychopath.
I myself believe I may be to some extent because I don't give a spit
what other people think of me, often thinking of people
like you punks as inferior and my feelings were numbed somewhat by the
suffering and death I saw in S.E. Asia. This
brings something to mind I want to discuss with you Jerry: When I was
agitating you about pool video and that a pin should be awarded for
that kind of work...You said you made enough money to buy the damn
pin. Nobody ever sat
you down and explained the difference between right and wrong as a
kid? If the Navy let sailors buy their warfare
qualifications (pins) instead of earning them a lot of ships and men
might be lost when the hammer drops. Submarines
and their crews operate in a hostile environment from the time they
reach submersible depths...Would you want to
be on one if people were skipping the schools & training by buying
their pins? Oh I forgot, you were afraid to join the Navy!
Experience has proved, people who buy their way in or attempt to are
poor performers to the point of being detrimental.
History shows that, Century's ago many English and European Officers
bought their commissions. They got their own troops killed or wasted
their effectiveness more often than not, lost battles even lost
Colony's. You still feel like buying your way into the pool pin elite
dummy?
>
> One would think he would be more interested in his rented out kayak
> and its proximity to the dam.
>
> >He was right, I walked down and
> >looked at what he called a dam after I pulled the boat out. Looked
> >like a 75 foot high spillway with a 45 degree face to me. Shit I may
> >be trained to take risks like I was crazy but I ain't stupid, been
> >caught in hydraulic action before....It can whip Superman's ass, I saw
> >better men than I
> >drown while being held down by the force of high speed water at the
> >bottom of a drop.
>
> So, I would suggest, given your admitted ignorance of what lay ahead
> at the time, when he was yelling at your green ass it wasn't so much
> an expression of acknowledgement as to you purported "crazy" but an
> expression of wanting to save his rented kayak from going over the dam
> with or without the ignorant renter. But, no - it just had to be all
> about an affirmation that you were "crazy" and as such, you were to be
> treated with the caution and deference afforded to actual "crazy"
> people. Reality? Just another outfitter trying to keep from having
> to deal with the hassle of retreiving his property on the low side of
> the dam. Guess he saved your life.
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nope, the decision to try it or not was mine....I hold the power to
give or save my life, its no longer some one else's decision. Not
since I left the military that is....Looked at the falls and decided
against it---Glad he gave me a heads up it was there though! 0~;)P
the unknown flailer
> On Nov 24, 4:24 pm, "Big Jim" <lisaj...@the-beach.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > BTW, I note you refer to you "logbook" (singular) most of my logbooks(more
> > than 1) only have space for 300 jumps or so. Oh thats right, you never made
> > 300.
>
you it didn't have 600 in there, you couldn't stand reading or posting
to wreck then! You would just be another quitter hiding behind a kill
file. Think of me as a old deranged sheep dog with to much Coyote
blood in my veins, rather than bunching the flock up I like scattering
them into little kill file pens. 0~;->
Big Jim
Deranged, yes sheepdog, no.
Although I will admit that you are good at getting people to kill file you,
now are you claiming that you do it intentionally?
I think that you would actually prefer that more people read your swill,
got your message to more so to speak.
If you had your 600 jump book filled up, I would think you were an idiot
with 600 jumps,
rather than an idiot with 319.
----- Original Message ----- This was a 600 jump log book, the flip binder
Jerry K.
The telling thing about this assertion is who is always bringing up
the subject in the first place - rank imagination as a substitution
for reality followed by protestations of being "one straight arrow"
Jinnie: You're gay and I'm not! <wipes nose>
Response: And this is an issue for you and you're bringing this up
because ... ?
Clearly some latent personal issues burbling to the surface - as if
that custom colored BodySport done up in multi-tone pastels wasn't
indicator enough - LOL!
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Of course you "don't recall."
Here, I'll refresh your memory, dumbass.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/133ffb0e92c21f8c
"run out the back and hid in a tree while she was looking for me. When
she found the tree, I was gone in my car, my tires were on fire."
* * *
<Jinnie's spin of what he was hiding from (pissed off skydiving
chicks) snipped>
* * *
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/b876d5bb5dd7b82b
snuck off the drop zone, just threw my rig into my car unpacked and
cut out.
* * *
Cutting and running from irate girls, hiding in trees, burning rubber
off the property ... not even bothering to pack - and later spinning
the whole affair as rightous on his part. Parse it anyway you can,
coward - you screwed up, got caught, and ran and hid and got the hell
out of there like a fat palmetto bug when the lights come on. All
illustrated with your own words. And to think the US Navy "could turn
out a sissy boy like that." Tsk tsk tsk. Hypocrite.
Oh, btw - here's a lovely quote:
"Mad Dog was S&TA back in 93, while I was just
off student status ..."
When did you start skydiving again, you big, fat liar and oh, how
inconvienent the truth can be, eh, poser-boy?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Nov 24, 10:29�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:42:57 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <thuy...@iwon.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 24, 4:22�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >..I ain't no flogging
>> >city yup driving around with a bicycle rack or kayak on a fancy
>> >foreign car
>>
>> You mean perhaps an experienced kayaker - you know, experienced enough
>> to have his own kayak as opposed to some green tourist looking for a
>> rental?
>
>Own a kayak and rack? Good kayaks don't come cheap & skydiving ate up
>most of my money....I jumped out of planes
>a hell of a lot more often than I got to a fast river,
Given your low time in the sport, not tht much more.
>perhaps if I
>had lived next to white water the expense might have made
>sense, as it was I worked 70 hour's in 5 days then drove on a
>percentage rainy weekends hauling paper from the mill to warehouse
>around Houston, made good money but that money went to gear, lift
>tickets and beer, rent, child support
>etc etc etc the normal everyday things plus side trips like the kayak
>thing and a train trip to Glacier to snow mobile
>with my daughter on her birthday....I guess the way you think----I
>should have bought my own snow mobiles huh?
Shit you can spend it on Falcon AFF canopies and custom colored
BodySports for all I care - all I'm saying is when you start gassing
about "I ain't no flogging city yup driving around with a bicycle rack
or kayak on a fancy foreign car" that those guys perhaps are more
experienced - maybe they even "truly kayak" - than some fat tourist
spashing around in a rental.
>You are a fucking idiot kid. I worked hard and played hard, having
>diverse interests can be expensive if you buy your own gear for
>each------>Do the math and I think you will find renting is cheaper if
>your into more than one thing...
Perhaps if you had invested in your own kayak instead of a tourist
rental your logbook wouldn't have gotten so soggy, ya think? But
then, there still remains the very simple and very economical options
of proofing your logbook against submerstion ...thinking it through
for starters - maybe a spray skirt on the rental or even a plastic
bag for the logbook or the most unthinkable - literally, in your case
- leaving the logbook - the unique record of skydives - on shore?
>Oh yeah
>Snuffy liked to ride the rails, he used to hop the boxcars as a young
>man then buy sleeper car tickets as he aged because his little girl
>demanded more comfortable travel arrangements. Why didn't he buy his
>own train?
Spent too much money on a tourist rental kayak or was too distracted
by your sodden logbook. That, or you did try to buy a train but
didn't think it through until they asked for a bank statement.
>Yep you kids are definitely simple minded, you don't live
>in the real world.
Which "real world" do you mean, oh projecting one? The real world
where people shoot at skydivers as they land to foster dz business or
perhaps the "real world" where maybe you started skydiving in "89 or
90?" Certainly not the "real world" where some bitter and
self-centered braggart trolls a skydiving newsgroup, making it up as
he goes along, calling for "blood" even, while having no previous
skydiving experience for the preceding DECADE or so. "Simple minded?"
I wanna hear again how a camere flier can "film out" a missed grip.
>Not to mention your both too too lazy to do half of
>what I've done.
Whoopty shit. I and the rest of the world have experiences you'll
never have, will have experiences you'll never have, and have done
things you're too lazy to do. Thinking things through, for example.
Just the same, your experiences are your own and if they make you feel
better about yourself, fine - but it's the shallow and the stupid who
conclude that their own experiences - and worse, raising those
experiences as some bragging rights totem of absolute legitimacy or
superiority, which somehow is supposed to suggest one is better than
someone else.
>T.S. Elliot wrote: "To do the useful thing, to say the courageous
>thing, to contemplate the beautiful thing, that is enough for one mans
>life."
He also wrote: "Truth has rough flavours if we bite it through." It's
Eliot, btw doofus - one 'l'. If you're gonna quote poets and latch
onto their platitudes, the least you could do is show respect and
spell their name right.
>By those standards I've lived more than one mans life and more.
"Standards" which you often ignore, even as you say you "live" them.
That you do or say, or contemplate these platitudes you've adopted is
one thing but this newsgroup is littered with you doing the very
opposite - doing the useless thing, saying the cowardly thing,
contemplating the horrible thing - and that, too, appears to be
"enough for your life."
>I've not only hunted man but have been
>hunted by man. After coming home from the Asian wars I never hunted
>for meat again and I used to love hunting as a kid.
>My rule after the war was ~If it don't hunt me, I'm not hunting it.~
Whoopty shit - you're still a fat tourist who was too stupid to
consider what happenes during white-water kayaking - oh, sorry -
"truly" kayaking - to your logbook's demise.
>You little girly boys haven't lived and with those narrow minded pussy
>outlooks you have you never will truly live.
Ah, I see - there's "living" and then there's "truly living." Clutch
hard to those experiences, Jinnie. Wave them around as a pretense for
what sets you apart and makes you better <sarcasm, dummy> than other
people and most importantly, makes you feel better about yourself.
Yes, indeed - the pissing contest has descended to the level of, "My
life is (was) better or more significant or more "true" than your
life!" If you're happy with it, princess, if waving it around like a
patch sewn to your pastelled BodySport for anyone to see, take note
of, and respect you for (ha!) is what sustains you, if living in the
past is what you've chosen because the present is too bleak to
consider, you have a party with it but, whoopty shit - in all my life
the real deals never had a reason to herald and proclaim how real
their deal was and that, along with the numerous lies you absolutely
have been busted for, casts your take on who has "truly lived" and who
hasn't as just another self-serving line of watery crap cut with
methane.
>..Oh you will skydive
And boy, howdy that does seem give you major-league hemmoroids.
> but
>your faking real life. You avoid
>responsibility or any real danger like it was the plage.
Responsibility is one thing - and as you project in that regard,
bigtime, you don't know what you're talking about - as usual. You,
whose m.o. is to cast blame and point fingers in every direction save
only yourself are the absolute poster child for the avoidance of
personal responsibility. As for "danger," skydiiving is what one
makes of it, princess. Anyone who engages in it specifically seeking
out danger for danger's sake and more stupidly, to demonstrate how
they face danger is a poser and a moron - glance in the mirror and you
will see who I'm talking about.
>..You are just
>taking up space and wasting other peoples money you little titty
>babies
I would guess that you're taking up more space than a lot of people,
princess, and as for "wasting other peoples money," you're gibbering
nonsense (again). Whose money is being "wasted?" Who are these
"other people?" How is their money being "wasted?" And as you are a
shut-in, your determination that somone is "wasting other peoples
money" is being made on second hand (at best) information or
information gleaned from a whopping two skydives in almost fourteen
years or most likely, is simply based upon rank imagination towards
the purpose of making you feel better about yourself and your
circumstances.
>and thats another thing......Your both faking being men, thats
>why you seem effeminate to me most of the time and I'm thinking "gee
>they must be gay" HAW HAW HAW
And back we are to Jinnie ruminating on a subject near, and apparently
dear, to his heart - that is, the idea that strangers on the usenet
must have a politically incorrect lifestyle - but not Jinnie, oh no -
why, he's a "straight arrow!" As much as you raise that dumb canard
out of the muck surrounding you, Jinnie, it just becomes more and more
an indicator that you have some personal issues you've never worked
out, as you project your turgid imagination upon total strangers. Be
sure to wash your hand when you're done, princess.
>>
>> >and the out fitter wasn't prepared for a
>> >skydiver with log book to protect.
>>
>> The skydiver certainly wasn't prepared enough to protect it. �Yep, not
>> enough congitive ability, let alone abstract thought to be able to
>> consider how to protect his logbook from being submerged.
>
>Yes that was a shame but now seems a blessing because we have to go by
>my recollection of the jumps & various incidents now and I know thats
>going to drive you crazy hahaha
Of course you "know" this because it's your imagination determining
what you wish were the case. The reality is, as you contradict
yourself and get busted for lies, and you commencing with the
requisite crawfishing, backpeddling, and further lies attempting to
rationalize the lies further, that much more will you be isolating
yourself. And that falls exactly into line with the corralling of
your dumb ass going on here. You have no contemporary skydive
experience so you make it up as you go along - with predictable
results. When you do pull from the past, it is either rendered
irrelevant given the distance in time, shown to be a lie when held
against previous statements of yours which are a matter of record on
this newsgroup, or are shown to simply be contradictory with what you
may have said before, showing yourself to be a hypocrite or unable to
keep up, or they'll be just, flat out wrong, showing you to be a
major-league fool, not for not knowing about something, but for
opening your mouth and removing all doubt.
>> >He knew I was crazy though because
>> >he kept saying get out at the portage
>> >and leave our equipment there, don't go over the Dam! Your car will be
>> >nearby. GET OUT BEFORE THE DAM!
>>
>> Of course he knew you were "crazy." �
>
>Nottttttt, I'm certified.
Yeah, whatever - why'd you even bring up the guy who "knew (you) was
crazy" in the first place? Simply to suggest that you enagaged in
activities which others might think is crazy and thus preen and pose
over your self-suggested daring. Whoooa - a fat tourist splashing
iround in his rental kayak ... AWESOME <sarcasm, dummy>. It's not
like this bullshit isn't transparent, poser.
>...got papers that say I'm not crazy---Been
>examined by mental health teams. All they could come up with was I
>don't think like #1 I'm expected to---- #2 I'm third culture to the
>point of being different. in other words I walk my own path, live by
>my own code....Lucky the code I live by is stricter than society's or
>I might have been a psychopath.
Nothing in this "code" about abject lying, posing, hypocrisy, racism,
bragging, and being a run of the mill troll, apparently.
>I myself believe I may be to some extent because I don't give a spit
>what other people think of me, often thinking of people
>like you punks as inferior and my feelings were numbed somewhat by the
>suffering and death I saw in S.E. Asia.
While I believe you are simply an affirmation and attention starved
troll, all too willing to prostrate yourself down to the depths of
hypocrisy, dishonesy, and abject posing to sate your feelings of
inadequacy.
>This
>brings something to mind I want to discuss with you Jerry: When I was
>agitating you about pool video and that a pin should be awarded for
>that kind of work...You said you made enough money to buy the damn
>pin. Nobody ever sat
>you down and explained the difference between right and wrong as a
>kid?
Certainly, but there is a huge difference between the actions one
takes and the actions one knows one would be capable of taking while
all you can see is that the abstract idea of a capability equates to
actual commission. Here's what I said, moron:
"if I was so affirmation starved as you are to the point to where a
stupid pin stands as a substitute for legitimacy - "look at me and my
pin!!!" I could just buy a stupid pin with the money I make on just a
single jump."
In other words, you raised the bogus idea as simply another stupid
line of crap towards the purpose of suggesting one is unqualified for
such while I knew that I was - if it existed that is - which it
doesn't - and even if I wasn't qualfied for such, recognizing the
unimportance of baubles and trinkets with which to adorn towards the
purpose of a preening some sort of bogus legitimacy - which apparently
is important to you, the abusrdity of your stupid pin and the idea of
adorning one's self with it is highlighted with the abstract notion
that one could still, if it existed, buy this stupid pin of your
imagination if they wanted to, just the same.
>If the Navy let sailors buy their warfare
>qualifications (pins) instead of earning them a lot of ships and men
>might be lost when the hammer drops.
Oh, yeah - <sarcasm, dummy> they'd all be too distracted shining the
emblems proudly (and hurriedly) affixxed for all to see and mincing
around, looking for others to notice them and show awe and for those
without such to brag at and belittle, instead of paying attention to
anything else. Got news for you, Jinnie - with a pin or without, if
the experience is there a silly pin, least of all a silly pin only
imagined by you, isn't going to change a single thing "when the hammer
drops."
>Submarines
>and their crews operate in a hostile environment from the time they
>reach submersible depths...Would you want to
>be on one if people were skipping the schools & training by buying
>their pins?
I would say that would be a worse scenario than being in a situation
where there were people who went through the "schools & training" but
weren't adorned with the baubles signifying whatever and certainly,
I'd rather be among people who focus on the job at hand than people
who are more interested in making sure they're wearing as much shiny
baubles of adornment as they can. Baubles do not equate to
experience or even ability, bonehead, but that's not how it works in
your sordid, little world - if there's no pin, they haven't done it
and in the case of this latest round of your watery crap, that I don't
have one of your stupid "pool pins." not that you ever earned one or
that they even exist - the fact that I don't have one, nevermind not
wanting or needing one, equates for you as my never having actually
earned one. It's a stupid, little world of intellectual dishonesty you
live in, kid - no "pool pin" exists outside of your imagination but
there is real experience which would qualify for one if it did exist
and someone was interested. But all you can see is one doesn't have
what you imagine and lacking that imagined emblem of bullshit
legitimacy, not that you ever would qualify for one, the idea that
anyone could buy one with "pool pin" experience or not if it existed -
which it doesn't - equates in your mind that someone would. You're
just ill-equipped, is all.
>Oh I forgot, you were afraid to join the Navy!
Not that you know for sure, one way or the other, but if I was never
in the navy, it was because I knew better - look how you turned out,
for instance. Been skydiving much, Jinnie? No? Yeah, thinking
things through wasn't what I would call your longsuit - just ask your
logbook - LOL!
>Experience has proved, people who buy their way in or attempt to are
>poor performers to the point of being detrimental.
Would this be anyting like a fat tourist renting a kayak and
concluding he's a kayaker "truly kayaking" as his logbook takes a swim
to its detriment?
>History shows that, Century's ago many English and European Officers
>bought their commissions. They got their own troops killed or wasted
>their effectiveness more often than not, lost battles even lost
>Colony's. You still feel like buying your way into the pool pin elite
>dummy?
If your stupid and imaginary bauble for "pool pin elite" existed,
dumbass, naw, not that I ever felt "like buying" your stupid imaginary
pin - but just the same, I've been in multiple pools and no stupid
pin, least of all one imagined by you, will take away that experience
but if it did exist, I could buy it with money made on one jump.
Gotta love it - Jinnie admits he didn't know the falls were there yet
denies the outfitter he rented his tourist kayak from who was warning
him about the falls saved his life with the warning. You see, Jinnie
apparently made the decision not to "try it" before he 1) knew the
falls were there and 2) before he knew the nature of the falls - both
of which he was unaware of until warned by the outfitter. So, ummm
... you held "the power to give or save" the life of your logbook or
was the river too much for you (and ultimately your logbook) or was
the lack of thinking things through the reason your logbook took its
fatal swim?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Ah, so fuck the logbook and fuck even considering keeping it out of
harm's way - at least you "truly kayaked." Ya know, with a little
forethought and planning you could have demonstrated and later bragged
about having "truly kayaked" without "truly" drowning your logbook at
the same time.
>
>>
>> >> Shit, I've been down from the dam to Gruene a half dozen times in my
>> >> life but even if I hadn't, I'd kinda consider the idea of getting wet
>> >> being at very least a possibility and take simple steps to keep the
>> >> stuff I didn't want to get wet separated from water - you know - using
>> >> baggies, ziplocs, and garbage bags, or even - "Hmm, kayak on water
>> >> with rapids from time to time - maybe leave logbook in car."
>>
>> >Thats probably because you're a pussy toober,
>>
>> �Naw, I've kayaked and canoed in Texas, elsewhere in the US, and in
>> other countries and my logbooks have all remained entirely
>> unsubmerged.
>>
>> >you probably never went
>> >past City Park,
>>
>> Sure, but what if I hadn't? �How is that relevant?
>
>It shows your skill level or lack of for one thing..
Who says I "never went past City park" and for that matter, how is
kayaking "skill level or lack of" relevant - especially in terms of,
nevermind the newsgroup, whether someone allowed objects which would
be ruined by submersion in water (and were) to become submerged when
one had ample opportunity to ensure that they would not come into
contact with water? My logbooks and cel phone remain unsubmerged to
this day, dingleberry - how'd it go for you? "Skill level or lack of"
seems a bit lacking in the thinking things through department on your
end.
>.No pool pin and
>damn No kayaking pin either, what kind of extreme sportsman do you
>think you are anyway?
Who says I think I am but that stupid canard of yours aside, for
topical example: one with more whitewater experience than simply
localized Texas hill-country streams and for inconvienent example:
one whose logbooks and cel phone, unlike your logbook and cel, remain
entirely dry, having never been submerged in the first place.
>Get over there and warm the bench punk!
Is that anything like the bench reserved for mediocrities who crashed
their dumb asses out of skydiving forever and ever for lack of
thinking things through? You know, the one your fat ass is spread
across?
Yo, dumbass - , who put the kayak carrying the logbook into the river?
Who was uanble to keep the river from coming into the kayak and
getting the logbook, and further - who was the bonehead who put the
logbook in the kayak which would be certain of encountering rapids in
the first place? Like I said, bonehead you for all practical purposes
threw your logbook into the river - just another fat tourist renting
from outfitters and who couldn't think things through, that's who.
"Dis ain't so hard - I kin handle dis kayucking stuff better'n anyone
with a kayak on their foreign car ... splash glug splash gurgle - MY
LOGBOOK!!!" Shit happens? Tantamount to digging a latrine, filling
the latrine with shit, diving into the latrine, and shrugging one's
shoulders - "How'd I get all covered in shit? - Oh, shit happens." You
didn't know what you were doing and you didn't think it through - a
pattern which would not suprisingly be repeated by you in skydiving.
Bonehead.
>>
>> > And I think she quit packing around 11. Packed
>> >neater than I did, thats for sure but the check point system is the
>> >way I trained her...She asked about pro packing and I said "nope, not
>> >only are you too short but only punks pro pack.
>>
>> So, you're suggesting Mike pro-packs?
>
>Mike has the seniority to pack anyway he wants, since he is also a TM/
>JM and probably carrying quite a load for his age already he shouldn't
>even have to pack...His drive for attention to detail says he probably
>does either pack his own or supervise who ever does
So, if "only punks pro pack" and if Mike ever pro-packed, - as per
your statement, "only punks pro pack" - Mike would still be a punk.
Unless you're going to back off from your stupid broad brush
characterization such that, "only punks pro pack." You're just
ill-equipped, is all.
>
>
>> >--Not many people pro packed back then.---If you saw someone pro
>> >packing it was a pretty good bet they were a asshole or else a pack
>> >rat,
>>
>> More classic Jinnie - it's not the person himself, what he does, his
>> actions, which are the measure but simply what method he has chosen to
>> pack a parachute which tells the tale. �How many malfunctions you
>> have, dipshit? �And over what space of time?
>>
>Ummmm 3 or 4 I think one was caused by a rigger trainee who used too
>much cable on the pin...It was a Javelin with soft cable housings and
>it never occurred to him that too much cable might form a U and bind
>up the reserve cable. Wow
>what a rush!
Three or four over what, three years and three hundred jumps? That's
some awesome <sarcasm, dummy> packing. Not the flatpack's fault -
operator error. Even better - soft cable housing - a provenly
inefficient system and not even "old-timey" - a "modern innovation,"
no less, which was at the time regarded as very cool as they presented
a sleeker "look," without the more efficient, reliable, and bulky hard
cable housing. Why did you opt for modern soft housings, Jinnie, as
you threw the tried and true "old technology" under the bus? Another
shroud of Jinnie's hypocritical pretense vanishes like a fart in the
wind.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
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>
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Damn boy, either google is having seizers or you are still pissed off
over something I was going on about a week ago.
Also you seem to be over come with homophobia...When I say straight
arrow, its not a straight versus gay reference.
I mean your getting it straight, no namby pamby politically correct
pap. I'm telling you exactly what I think on any particular subject.
In other words a straight shooter. What? Did you think straight arrow
meant my dick was hard for you or something? tsk tsk tsk I'm
appalled......notttttttt 0~;->
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Dec 2, 11:19�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>Snip because its a week out of date<<<<
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>
>Damn boy, either google is having seizers or you are still pissed off
>over something I was going on about a week ago.
As usual, you are confusing a refutation and complete deconstruction
of your lame, litle act with being "pissed off." No, and as a matter
of demonstrated fact, anyone disagreeing with you - or even having an
opinion you don't like ("we must have this creeps blood") tends to
piss you off - examples of such are not rare. No, what you blather in
here and how hypocritical you are brings laughter - at you, not with
you.
>Also you seem to be over come with homophobia...When I say straight
>arrow, its not a straight versus gay reference.
You're projecting again, moron, and cut the crap - you're not fooling
anyone except yourself, obviously. Here's what you said:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/c3dd2f0562afe9e3
"Dunno about that, two young fudge packing bootee boys or one straight
arrow old man...I believe yawl can queer the hell out of things better
than I can "
* * *
Sure<sarcasm, dummy>, moron - what you were really saying wasn't
what you said, nevermind the context and words. Idiot. You think
this shit just disappears? You stepped in it again. " its not a
straight versus gay reference" Yeah, <sarcasm, dummy> the "straight
arrow" of intellectual dishonesty is pointing straight at ------> you.
>I mean your getting it straight, no namby pamby politically correct
>pap.
Blown "straight" out your ass, princess. What you said, in context,
is what you said and what you said is not what you are now saying you
said. As a matter of fact, what you are saying now is just more of
your stock and trade crayfishing. You get cornered, dont have any
answers to your crap being thrown back in your face and presto, right
on schedule, off you go making suggestions of alternative lifestyles
amongst detractors with, of course, the rote assertion of how
un-alternative, a'la "straight arrow" you consider yourself to be.
This gets called for the watery and transparent line of crap that it
is and here you are now, crayfishing that you "mean" something else.
Just making it up as you go along, Jinnie, aren't you? Pathetic.
>'m telling you exactly what I think on any particular subject.
Which explains how what you're "telling" lacks substance and how what
you tell, as an echo of what you "think" consists of empty, errant,
and ill-conceived stupidities
>In other words a straight shooter.
You also "straight" shot Mike as a "punk" and "straight" shot that he
should "know better" to say what he said before you "straight" shot
and called him a "punk," moron. When did you start skydiving - what
hear was it again, "straight shooter?" No one's buying your lame,
little act, Jinnie, and "straight shooters" don't get busted for fat
lies, let alone make them.
>What? Did you think straight arrow
>meant my dick was hard for you or something?
Nothing of the kind - if you must ruminate on the state of your dick,
have a party, princess - but when you out of the blue drop such
"straight arrow" slang like "fudge packing" and a few words later dub
yourself a "straight arrow," followed in the same sentence with "queer
the hell out of things better than I can," it's clear you got some
serious personal issues you've yet to work out, the least of which is
denial, as you blather and backpeddle that you "mean" something else
while making accusations of "homophobia," nevermind that you brought
up the subject in the first place.
>tsk tsk tsk I'm appalled......notttttttt
It's your imagination leading you to bring up and focus on your dick
and gay sex, princess - maybe you should work out your personal issues
before you go around chirping you're a "straight arrow," huh?
...bsrp
...jlk