Re: HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO:.....the freaks
TooyT
>and dumping,
full barrel roll,wave off then dump, what do you consider a barrel roll in he
SPA2000
180 or a 360?
>Well if you consider freak flying valid >relative work, then can say that was
>a safe tracking stragty (for me at least)
I'm alive ain't I?
>Freeflying is, of course, as natural of a >type or relative sork
Yeah the funel was a result of bad RW.
>Though it is much more difficult.
Anybody can funnel
>though it is much more difficult.
Not, all you gota do is get unstable and fall out of your slot, hell it was so
easy a chain reaction usually started.
>As for safety you were doing was simply >increasing vertical seperation when
>horizontal seperation is, for obvious
>reasons, the better, more efficient,
>and alltogether smarter method of
>acquiring distance from skydivers
Not ifthe airsace is full of pull high AFF fairys.Seperation is seperation plus
I beat everybody to the ground, that means clear landing patterns and a choice
packing spot on the floor---like I said it worked for me
ya kin't ack snivels or malfunctions if you plan on using outlaw methods
though,
going for canopy below 1,000 ft at those speeds makes recovery times tight.
Quit projecting your fear, justlook at it as risky like high seed base jumping
or something That particular time there was a choice of taking it lowor
throwing out
with someoneright over me, looked over my shoulderand saw a shadow so I barrel
rolled to geta better look
hd just passed thru 2500ft when I rolled 360 degee's, took time to look and
damn I was below 2000
and still moving about 150 mph so I waved off and threw out didn't get in the
saddle till 800 ft. What would you have had me do, kill another skydiver with
his head up his ass just because it would have been the USPA's recommndation?
0~;->
TooyT
>glad you could admit that Jerry, a frightened Jackass at that if these stories
your making up on me opening on my back are a example
>Well if you consider freak flying >dangerous
No I consider it sloppy skydiving, hell anybody can funnel-I've seen Jack Burke
and Ron Mills brain lock and funnel.
>sucking it down only to open in the midst >of already opoen canopies.
>No that was not a break off track at about 6,000 feet. I decided to lurk a 4
way turning points that went out before us
hell I only had 38 jumps at the time...thought I might learn something by
watching them up close.
>Never said it was a breakoff track but >going after a formation, getting down
to >the bottom end of the dive and instead of >breaking off and going for
seperation, you >kept on going and in so doing, opened in
>their midst.
not, Iopened totir right and at leas t00ft
over their heads, they were flying singe file
atabout 2200ft I opened 100 ft feet above and just to the right of Christi
who is kinda high strung anyway.
>You almost caught them but then,
Not, all four of them didn't see me although
they probably all eard the opening crack.
Christi was theone that worked everybody into a frenzi because she was the
closest. Damn you wudda thoght I stold her canopys air or something the way she
yowled.
>you caught it later on the ground.
No, I saw them crying to Mad Dog who was S&TA at the time and snuck off the
drop zone, just threw my rig into my car unpacked and cut out---The other
people in my formation got their ass's reamed though, they all had more jumps
than me and shudda kept me on a leash because they knew better----it was funny
as hell.
Next weekend I'm looking all innocent & Carlos, Larry, Larrys brother in law
are all chewing my ass for getting them in trouble
but Mad Dog and Christi just spent the weekend scowling at me-didn't say a word
and neither did the DZ authoritys
Yup another one I got away with....being a fresh A does have its benefits
<snigger>
Jerry K.
>>Well, there is the vertical track down >below 2k, rolling on your back
>>and dumping,
>
>full barrel roll,wave off then dump, what do you consider a barrel roll in he
>SPA2000
>180 or a 360?
Oh. certainly a 360 for starters but what do you consider a jackass
stunt? It certainly couldn't be a vertical track away from an rw
formation breaking off horizontally, nevermind being unaware enough to
find yourself waving off and pulling below 2.
>
>>Well if you consider freak flying valid >relative work, then can say that was
>>a safe tracking stragty (for me at least)
>
>I'm alive ain't I?
Sure, every one of your personalities, it appears. What, now you're
responding to your own comments? As for being alive, is that what you
said on the ground when you caught shit for not being horizontal in
your track? Did this statement of the obvious (mental inactivity
notwithstanding) cause anyone to retract their opinion that you were a
jackass?
>
>
>>Freeflying is, of course, as natural of a >type or relative sork
>
>Yeah the funel was a result of bad RW.
The difference being that when belly-flyers funnel, they tend to
scatter themselves all over the place, out of control, and flailing to
get back to belly to earth, whereas when freeflyers "funnel," as you
put it, it's orchestrated, held, and held close with control - often
with grips, I might add.
>
>>Though it is much more difficult.
>
>Anybody can funnel
Oh, certainly you could funnel a belly-fly formation - that's common
knowledge, but as for keeping head or feet down and keeping close and
transitioning smoothly between the two, as well as varying with
control the fallrate during what you call this "funnel," no, you
never had the skill, discipline, or ability to do anything like that.
Going unstable off your belly, fighting to get it back, only to go
back over the edge even more? Few were as remarkable in that
"ability" as yourself - I'll give you that.
>
>>though it is much more difficult.
>
>Not, all you gota do is get unstable and fall out of your slot, hell it was so
>easy a chain reaction usually started.
>
Going unstable from off the belly is a world away from purposefully
flying and keeping the aspect vertical.
>>As for safety you were doing was simply >increasing vertical seperation when
>>horizontal seperation is, for obvious
>>reasons, the better, more efficient,
>>and alltogether smarter method of
>>acquiring distance from skydivers
>
>Not ifthe airsace is full of pull high AFF fairys.
Is that who you were jumping with, back in the legendeary 90's of only
a few some odd years ago? Is that what you said to the skydivers who
tore you a new asshole and called you a jackass for such dumb
behavior? Now, as to your assertion that vertical tracking is not
smarter, not better, and less efficient than horizontal tracking in
increasing seperation from other people opening their parachutes
because those other parachutes are opening high (no matter their FJC
training), parachutes opening on level and at distance are very
unlikely to fly into other opening canopies but some jackass opening
lower and with little to no horizontal seperation is more likely to
involves his jackass self with other opening canopies because canopies
do not open all the same except to say they all open vertically.
>Seperation is seperation plus
>I beat everybody to the ground,
No, vertical seperation between two vertically falling objects as each
of them deaccelerrate at unpredictable speeds does not automatically
equate to seperation. And I'm sure when you tried the seperation is
seperation argument the people chewing your ass for your latest round
of stupidity immediately apologized for calling you a jackass, right?
>that means clear landing patterns and a choice
>packing spot on the floor---like I said it worked for me
Nevermind that you've said you didn't pack on the floor but on the
tarp outside, under the trees. As for clear landing patterns, what,
you're saying you can only fly a landing pattern if you're the only
one in it. That fits.
>ya kin't ack snivels or malfunctions if you plan on using outlaw methods
>though,
Outlaw methods my ass. You were never an "outlaw" and the only method
you ever employed with any regularity was to blame others for your own
screwups - people remember.
>going for canopy below 1,000 ft at those speeds makes recovery times tight.
Which is why skydivers under ram-air canopies, as a matter of course,
don't see much point in taking it down into the basement.
>Quit projecting your fear, justlook at it as risky like high seed base jumping
>or something
Is that what you said when you were getting your regular dressing down
for pulling such stupid shit?
>That particular time there was a choice of taking it lowor
>throwing out
>with someoneright over me, looked over my shoulderand saw a shadow so I barrel
>rolled to geta better look
Are you sure you barrel-rolled or was this just you going unstable
while looking over your shoulder?
> hd just passed thru 2500ft when I rolled 360 degee's, took time to look and
>damn I was below 2000
And through a series of wrong decision working yourself into what is
called "the corner." It happens to everyone, sometime or another but
the difference between most everyone else and you is you never learned
from it and even tout it as something eminent and to be proud of
whereas the people who got to observe this latest episode of "Jinnie
Flying Without a Clue," probably weren't that impressed, eh? Too bad
"Jackass" hadn't made it to tv, eh? Hell of an audtion.
>and still moving about 150 mph so I waved off and threw out didn't get in the
>saddle till 800 ft.
Nice snivvle. You could depend on that snivvle, eh?
>What would you have had me do, kill another skydiver with
>his head up his ass just because it would have been the USPA's recommndation?
Is that what you fear would have occurred if you had executed a
horizontal track? I suppose this point caused the immediate cessation
of the ass-chewing you were experiencing as a result. DId you remind
your detractors this before or after you were pelted with numerous
nouns and adjectives containing the word, "jackass?"
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>and for all practical purposes, "I am a >jackass!"
>
>>glad you could admit that Jerry, a frightened Jackass at that if these stories
>your making up on me opening on my back are a example
>
>>Well if you consider freak flying >dangerous
>
>No I consider it sloppy skydiving, hell anybody can funnel-I've seen Jack Burke
>and Ron Mills brain lock and funnel.
While you respond to your own words, permit me to interject that yes
and sure, I've seen both go unstable and off their bellies but neither
has ever, as a matter of choice on exit, exitted and freeflew the
entire dive, though Ron has certainly sitflew before but when he has,
it wasn't because of a brainlock leading to a funnel but a conscious
decision to sitfly with others also participating in the sitflying
skydive.
>
>>sucking it down only to open in the midst >of already opoen canopies.
>
>>No that was not a break off track at about 6,000 feet. I decided to lurk a 4
>way turning points that went out before us
Something you had no business doing unless the group ahead of you had
been made aware that someone would be lurking their dive - and okay'd
it.
>hell I only had 38 jumps at the time...thought I might learn something by
>watching them up close.
Is that what you told them when they, too, called you a jackass later
on the ground?
>
>>Never said it was a breakoff track but >going after a formation, getting down
>to >the bottom end of the dive and instead of >breaking off and going for
>seperation, you >kept on going and in so doing, opened in
>>their midst.
>
>not, Iopened totir right and at leas t00ft
>over their heads, they were flying singe file
>atabout 2200ft I opened 100 ft feet above and just to the right of Christi
>who is kinda high strung anyway.
Seems to me that since you decided on your own accord to put yourself
into their airspace that the least you could do was get yourself out
of their airspace when they turned and tracked - instead of pitching
out right there as you realized they were opening.
>
>>You almost caught them but then,
>
>Not, all four of them didn't see me although
>they probably all eard the opening crack.
Oh, I know the girls on that jump - they saw you opening too near as
they were clearing their air.
>Christi was theone that worked everybody into a frenzi because she was the
>closest. Damn you wudda thoght I stold her canopys air or something the way she
>yowled.
It is not without reason that Christy has been skydiving without being
killed since 1969 and has over 7000 jumps. One of those reasons is to
read jackasses the riot act when their actions unduly threaten.
>
>>you caught it later on the ground.
>
>No, I saw them crying to Mad Dog who was S&TA at the time and snuck off the
>drop zone, just threw my rig into my car unpacked and cut out---
Discretion being the better part of valour (or vanity) in this case.
Unwilling to take your all too due lumps - classic Jinnie.
>The other
>people in my formation got their ass's reamed though, they all had more jumps
>than me and shudda kept me on a leash because they knew better----it was funny
>as hell.
Yeah, well - there's blame to go around but just because they caught
shit does not lessen in the slightest just how big of a jackass you
were for putting yourself and others into such a situation.
>Next weekend I'm looking all innocent & Carlos, Larry, Larrys brother in law
>are all chewing my ass for getting them in trouble
And for making no effort to avoid getting yourself and others into
worse trouble.
>but Mad Dog and Christi just spent the weekend scowling at me-didn't say a word
>and neither did the DZ authoritys
Well, Christy had already laid into you - nothing more need be said at
that point.
>Yup another one I got away with....being a fresh A does have its benefits
I wouldn't call putting yourself into the position of facing the wrath
of Christy as well as getting your ass chewed by the skydivers you
were hoping to jump with again as getting away with it. It was a
jackass maneuver and no matter how you sugarcoat the circumstances and
principals involved, it was still you, and only you, flying yourself
into another formation's airspace with forethought and opening in
their midst without having the good sense to clear it with the group
before the dive occurred. Never should have been there in the first
place but you were and it was no accident.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>and dumping,
>>full barrel roll,wave off then dump, what do you consider a barrel roll, a
180?
>Oh. certainly a 360 for starter
> but what do you consider a jackass
>stunt?
doing stupid shit below set up altitude
~hook turning~
> pulling below 2.
it happens at high speed sometimes, a hook is intentional.
>Well if you consider freak flying valid
looks like fun, but their gonna have to tightenthe formations up and turn some
points.
>As for being alive, is that what you
>said on the ground when you caught shit for not being horizontal in your
track?
The opening was so low, nobody noticed
My excuse was standard fo rthe time....
my altimeter was in a burble.
>Did this statement of the obvious
>cause anyone to retract their opinion that >you were a jackass?
The S&TA was a AFF/JM how did you expect him to feel about those altitudes?
>Anybody can funnel
>
>Oh, certainly you could funnel a belly-fly >formation
Yeah theu would git pissed ifI got bored
and stood up on the transition Bobby Vee
warned me not to pull any freak shit durning the 1995 POPS Nationals durning
competition so my likingfor mixing up the formation must have spread, or else
someone in Texas told on me before the meet.
>Oh, certainly you could funnel a belly-fly >formation - that's common
>knowledge, but as for keeping head or >feet down and keeping close
Wuzzn't no RW formation gonna fall fast enoughtokeepup with me standing up,
luckyI knew how to pop back up, that rattled people to; WHERE DID HE GO?
OH GEEZE HE'S ABOVE ME NOW AND COMING BACK IN WHERE I AM !! !!! !!
Front looping through the circle, back looping out of the
formation----everything pissed the RW people from the 80's off.
Fuk I thought skydiving was about having fun...So now they give awards for what
I used to do to break up the monotony?
CROCK OF SHIT
TooyT
>glad you could admit that Jerry but actually your a young fuddy ass, hope you
ain't got a no fear tee in your closet ya AFF creep
Oneryfart
>>No I consider it sloppy skydiving
>and sure, I've seen both go unstable and off their bellies but neither
>has ever, as a matter of choice on exit, exitted and freeflew the
>entire dive, though Ron has certainly sitflew before but
I was funny talking about when he funnled a RW formation, it was a hoot
>it wasn't because of a brainlock leading to a funnel but a conscious
>decision to sitfly
no,,,he didnt sitfly at the time, This was before you ever started skydivng
kid.It was a deguello 20 way pratice leading up to the nationals, belly down
all the way on transition he jut fell out...Its been over 15 years, probably
destroyed the film by now.
Mills is kinda vain for a guy with nohair you know <grin>
>open in the midst >of already opoen >canopies.
> I decided to lurk a chick 4 way
> that went out before us
>Something you had no business doing >unless the group ahead of you had
>been made aware that someone would >be lurking their dive
Don't ask and they cain't say no is my philosophy besides as long as you keep
the formation n sight till break off your alright and even though I was honking
on to catch up, they were under canopy by the time I got there so it wasn't a
true lurk was it? More a close encounter of the third kind. Bg UFO pops out of
hyperspace just
above and to the right of earthgirl with a canopy boom. Just scared them is
all, no danger.
TooyT
>that went out before us
>Something you had no business doing >unless the group ahead of you had
>>been made aware that someone would >be lurking their dive open in the midst
>of >already opoen canopies.
>
Quit being a drama queen Jerry, it was off to the right and at least 100 ft
high. And as long as I had them in sight there was no danger....you artta know
that being a professional lurker. Now if I hadn't been aware of where they were
it would have been a different story. As far as them being mad beyond belief
well you know how women are when you try to cop a feel without asking. That the
way most skydivers are, they don't like to be surprised and this was 4 RW
Queens from the old school....It was worth the ass chewing my buddys who had
nothing to do with it got from Murdock.... Gol damn was them heifers mad, every
woman on the dz was screaming YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING HIM WHILE WERE BUSY
at the guys <grin>
Jerry K.
>>below 2k, rolling on your back
>>and dumping,
>
>>>full barrel roll,wave off then dump, what do you consider a barrel roll, a
>180?
>
>>Oh. certainly a 360 for starter
>
>> but what do you consider a jackass
>>stunt?
>
>doing stupid shit below set up altitude
> ~hook turning~
I think you're just projecting your fears again.
>
>
>> pulling below 2.
>
>it happens at high speed sometimes, a hook is intentional.
Yes, but it is certainly the exception if altitude awareness remains a
factor and intentinal or not, the ground isn't gonna change its
opinion on intentionality. As for intentional hooks, absolutely - but
tell us what you know about the mechanics of hookturning and while
you're at it, tell us how you would practice high to pull below 2.
Keep in mind that one of the most usefull tools when hookturning is,
well whadya know - altitude awareness.
>
>>Well if you consider freak flying valid
>
>looks like fun, but their gonna have to tightenthe formations up and turn some
>points.
Pardon me for butting in on the conversation you're having with
yourself as you respond to segments of posts you've made previously
but do try to remember that freeflyers do indeed turn points or are
you saying they don't?
>
>>As for being alive, is that what you
>>said on the ground when you caught shit for not being horizontal in your
>track?
>
>The opening was so low, nobody noticed
>My excuse was standard fo rthe time....
>my altimeter was in a burble.
More classic Jinnie - blaming his own actions on something else - even
lie to deflect responsibility. Excuses are lame and deny the reality
of the situation. If you were so on top of things and confident in
the rightousness of your behavior, why bother making an excuse at all?
>
>>Did this statement of the obvious
>>cause anyone to retract their opinion that >you were a jackass?
>
>The S&TA was a AFF/JM how did you expect him to feel about those altitudes?
What, below 2K? I expect he felt that people who go below the
mandated 2k while blaming a burbled altimeter for a lack of altitude
awareness and potentially threatening the dropzone's very existance,
if not the pilot's license, is a jackass prone to altitude
unawareness.
>
>>Anybody can funnel
>>
>
>>Oh, certainly you could funnel a belly-fly >formation
>
>Yeah theu would git pissed ifI got bored
>and stood up on the transition Bobby Vee
>warned me not to pull any freak shit durning the 1995 POPS Nationals durning
>competition so my likingfor mixing up the formation must have spread, or else
>someone in Texas told on me before the meet.
And when people in different times, places, and circumstances declined
to include you in on their formations they were organizing, thus
becoming "skygods" by your reckoning, this surprised you?
>
>>Oh, certainly you could funnel a belly-fly >formation - that's common
>>knowledge, but as for keeping head or >feet down and keeping close
>
>Wuzzn't no RW formation gonna fall fast enoughtokeepup with me standing up,
And over time, given your record, there wasn't a rw formation that was
even going to have you along to find out.
>luckyI knew how to pop back up, that rattled people to; WHERE DID HE GO?
>OH GEEZE HE'S ABOVE ME NOW AND COMING BACK IN WHERE I AM !! !!! !!
>Front looping through the circle, back looping out of the
>formation----
Oh, yeah - the way you describe it, it's as if you were flailing that
way on purpose which, I know, was never the case. Simple poor flying
combined with undisciplined grips technique - but mostly poor flying.
They still tell stories about you, Jinnie - and while they ain't
pretty and people usually wince when the punch-line comes down,
they're funny in the telling.
>everything pissed the RW people from the 80's off.
Not eveything - just you, and the way I've heard it, there was little
surpise to the final outcome of your skydiving abilities.
>Fuk I thought skydiving was about having fun...So now they give awards for what
>I used to do to break up the monotony?
> CROCK OF SHIT
Quit your whining. You were a solo act and if you wanted an award for
that you shoulda bore down and learned the nuances of S&A. As it was
you thought you could fly rw which, given your regular habit of
blaming everything under the sun except yourself for when you screwed
up, pissed people off and made them wary of having to deal with you.
As for freeflying, no, you have no idea (much less ever had the
ability) about what it takes to fly head or feet down from altitude to
breakoff, varying fallrate in the process, and being able to
transistion cleanly and closely from foot to head. So you could stand
- wuptyshit. Stand from thrirteen down to four with heading control,
straight down? The fact that you suggest it's easier than
belly-flying is clear proof you never could.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>and for all practical purposes, "I am a >jackass!"
And again, note the quotes. Grade school technique, Jinnie - it don't
complete arguments.
>
>>glad you could admit that Jerry but actually your a young fuddy ass, hope you
>ain't got a no fear tee in your closet ya AFF creep
Make much jumps of late, Jinnie? No? Why is that? Fear of coming to
terms with seeing freeflyers taking grips?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Well if you consider freak flying >dangerous
>
>>>No I consider it sloppy skydiving
>
>>and sure, I've seen both go unstable and off their bellies but neither
>>has ever, as a matter of choice on exit, exitted and freeflew the
>>entire dive, though Ron has certainly sitflew before but
>
>I was funny talking about when he funnled a RW formation, it was a hoot
One of those "welcome to my world" things, eh? Did you feel
vindicated?
>
>>it wasn't because of a brainlock leading to a funnel but a conscious
>>decision to sitfly
>
>no,,,he didnt sitfly at the time,
He has since..
>This was before you ever started skydivng
>kid.It was a deguello 20 way pratice leading up to the nationals, belly down
>all the way on transition he jut fell out...Its been over 15 years, probably
>destroyed the film by now.
>Mills is kinda vain for a guy with nohair you know <grin>
I've seen him fall out since and it happens but one thing Ron enver
did was blame it on someone or something else and he never did it
because he was bored, wanted attention, or felt like fucking up the
skydive.
>>open in the midst >of already opoen >canopies.
>
>> I decided to lurk a chick 4 way
>> that went out before us
>
>>Something you had no business doing >unless the group ahead of you had
>>been made aware that someone would >be lurking their dive
>
>Don't ask and they cain't say no is my philosophy
Hell, if you don't ask if you can pile into them at freefall speeds, I
guess they can't say no either. So, since you didn't ask and they
didn't say no, and therefore there was no foul to worry about, how
come you slunk off?
>besides as long as you keep
>the formation n sight till break off your alright
And you got to see 'em up close and under canopy. Sure, no harm, no
foul, eh?
>and even though I was honking
>on to catch up, they were under canopy by the time I got there so it wasn't a
>true lurk was it?
Right - falls more under the heading of "Jackass Stunt."
>More a close encounter of the third kind.
No, CE3 is contact which you only almost achieved - not for lack of
trying.
>Bg UFO pops out of
>hyperspace just
>above and to the right of earthgirl with a canopy boom.
One would suspect that a race hyperspace capabilities would ahve
control of just where and when it would pop into sublight - you were
making it up as you went along. The interstallar equivalent of coming
out of light close to too deep inside of a stellar mass' gravity well.
>Just scared them is
>all, no danger.
Ah, well - just scared them, didn't injure them, just injured them,
didn't kill em, just killed one, not everyone. Rationalizing your own
decision to put someone else's health in un-askedfor peril. The stuff
of jackasses.
A nearsighted child without warning takes a rifle and shoots at a fly
he hears hovering over your head - wanted to see if he could do it and
besides - only a fly - no danger. Do you beat his ass? Tell him
you're fine with flies? Take the gun away? Keep an eye on him
anytime he gets near a gun when the flies are out? Congratulate him
for thinking of the idea?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>I decided to lurk a chick 4 way
>>that went out before us
>
>>Something you had no business doing >unless the group ahead of you had
>>>been made aware that someone would >be lurking their dive open in the midst
>>of >already opoen canopies.
>>
>
>Quit being a drama queen Jerry, it was off to the right and at least 100 ft
>high.
And you chose to drive in without their permission and they were
unaware of this new addition to the equation. Further, when they
broke off, instead of breaking off yourself, you contiuned to drive in
and then open. Sounds like a jackass stunt to me.
>And as long as I had them in sight there was no danger....
Hell, as long as you didn't impact into them there was no danger,
either.
>you artta know
>that being a professional lurker.
If there's one thing I've learned about playing around in a highspeed
environment is that things can happen very quickly and smart people,
people who aren't jackasses, respect this fact and think things
through. If I'm shooting vid, I'll dump when they turn. If I'm in
the formation, I'll track when we turn. I followed formation out and
watched them fall when I had 20-30 jumps but I asked if I could and I
remained altitude aware about it and at a certain altitude above where
they were planning to turn and track, I turned and tracked and got out
of there instead of, unlike you, being so hell bent on driving in I
put myself into their opening airspace. No, keeping them in sight
isn't the magic bullet. Sometimes you might get to see things up
close and personal and they never asked for that.
>Now if I hadn't been aware of where they were
>it would have been a different story.
Were you aware of their altitude, where they planned to turn and
track, and where they planned to open? Were they aware of you before
they openend?
>As far as them being mad beyond belief
>well you know how women are when you try to cop a feel without asking.
Beyond belief - so, you think they were just blowing off steam and
taking out their frustrations on innocent you, eh? Do you think that
with their number of jumps and years in the sport, certainly as
compared to yours, they might just have a slightly better clue about
what the deal was and what your decisions represented than you and
maybe were justifiably put out by your behavior? I'd give them the
benefit of the doubt way before you.
>That the
>way most skydivers are, they don't like to be surprised and this was 4 RW
>Queens from the old school....
Say you're in the airplane, climbing to altitude, and another skydiver
decides he wants to see what the inside of your reserve pilot chute
looks like and pulls your silver handle while you were distracted
checking someone else's gear or something? Surprised?
>It was worth the ass chewing my buddys who had
>nothing to do with it got from Murdock....
Oh, yeah - easy for you to say - you slunk off. Kinda cowardly given
your present rationalizations for the whole episode - you'd think you
woulda stood your ground and taken your lumps since it was so worth
it.
>Gol damn was them heifers mad, every
>woman on the dz was screaming YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE WATCHING HIM WHILE WERE BUSY
>at the guys
Understandably and good on them for spreading the blame around - if
they had just dropped it all on you it's clear you would have just
blown it off to skygods trying to feel big. As it was, it was people
you were wanting to jump with having to lay down the law and hope it
sticks. These same people also ended up being ultimately relegated to
skygod status and jumping with others, if I recall how the story went?
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>
>Grade school technique, Jinnie
Yeah thats always been the dz way
has to be because its like sandlot baseball
you gotta play choozie to get a team together, that why you took up the camera
you no grip AFF tweet? fear of the lineup?
Oneryfart
>No I consider it sloppy skydiving
>open in the midst >of already opoen >canopies.
not true, do the math, their under canopy
I'm in a balls to the wall down track
chasing them, it was eithe pass under
or pop over, their glide ratio was better
than my track under them sabre's, my canopy was bigger though so I whipped it
out high and to the right, unfortunately it always made a loud crack boom noise
below 2,000 ft. One they could hear through them full face helments, had to be
ground reflection cause nobody ever seemed to hear it up high--gad you wudda
thought I pulled my dong out the way those heifers went crazy...It appears
Christi never got over it ;->
Oneryfart
>that went out before us
>
>Something you had no business doing
Well I am a ex sailor you know-chasing chicks no matter how ugly is my nature
>And you chose to drive in without their >permission
Yeah, how was I supposed to know they were dykes, ya gotta recon shit and take
your lumps, no big deal a Dyke beat me up on the Plaza in San Diego once for
getting to close to her girlfriend in a resturant and striking up a
conversation, no pain no gain--I should have known something was wrong, all the
marines were advoiding her--
Jerry K.
>>jackass!"
>>
>
>>Grade school technique, Jinnie
>
>Yeah thats always been the dz way
Riiiight - When someone says what another says, someone is actually
saying for themselves what the other is saying. Nope, wasn't like
that back when you were jumping and not like that now, either. As a
matter of fact, it's the argument of a six year old and not too many
six year olds setting dz "ways."
>has to be because its like sandlot baseball
>you gotta play choozie to get a team together,
Perhaps it seemed that way to you when organziers were casting around
to fill the final slot and bypassed you for someone else but few
people choosing for sandlot go for the dingleberry with a rep for
dropping the ball and missing the bases when he got bored with the
game.
>that why you took up the camera
>you no grip AFF tweet? fear of the lineup?
No, I learned to fly camera because a friend of mine was being spread
too thin and wanted the help. Essentially this guy was playing the
entire outfield and figured I could assist in helping him run down the
line shots and flys. As for "no grip," no, I take grips and I've
spent a lot more dives doing that than you have dives period. It just
chaps you and it is a lame angle of detraction that I can fly camera
when the truth is I can fly grips as well.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>I decided to lurk a chick 4 way
>>that went out before us
>>
>
>>Something you had no business doing
>
>Well I am a ex sailor you know-chasing chicks no matter how ugly is my nature
Right, a sailor chasing women - not only is this a instance of
maintaining the fiction, it is also an example of a sailor doing
something he has no business doing.
>
>>And you chose to drive in without their >permission
>
>Yeah, how was I supposed to know they were dykes,
Right - and you were driving in for some sort of bootie-call? I
hardly buy this from a sailor.
>ya gotta recon shit and take
>your lumps,
Not that you reconned or even hung around to take your lumps.
>no big deal a Dyke beat me up on the Plaza in San Diego once for
>getting to close to her girlfriend in a resturant and striking up a
>conversation,
Are you sure it wasn't just another couple of sailor boys?
>no pain no gain--I should have known something was wrong, all the
>marines were advoiding her--
Then this confirms they were definitely other sailors you were hitting
on and hitting you.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Well if you consider freak flying >dangerous
>
>>No I consider it sloppy skydiving
>
>>open in the midst >of already opoen >canopies.
>
>not true, do the math, their under canopy
>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>chasing them, it was eithe pass under
>or pop over,
Nevermind that the non-jackass approach would be to, upon seeing them
turn and begin their track would be to also track horizontally away or
even open right there, depending on the altitude and how much
seperation there was between their formation and the formation you
originally exitted with. The smart thing to do would be to make the
decision to not even approach their airspace before you had made them
aware that you would like to do so.
>their glide ratio was better
>than my track under them sabre's,
Right and if you had taken care of business before you put yourself
opening close to them, you never would have opened close to them and
your ass would have never been chewed and you wouldn't have had to
slink off the dz with your tail between your legs and if you had
practiced some discipline and just not invaded their airspace before
letting them in on the desire, glide ratio consideration would not
even need to be factored.
>my canopy was bigger though so I whipped it
>out high and to the right,
When the smart thing to do would have been to track off when they
began to turn for their track or open there before your diving track
brought your approach any closer to their imminent openings. Of
course, you could have just waited for the next dive to ask them if
you could watch their dive so everyone could be on the same page.
>unfortunately it always made a loud crack boom noise
> below 2,000 ft. One they could hear through them full face helments,
Nevermind a 40 jump wonder taking down below 2, you must have opened
pretty close given them being able to hear your opening and, of
course, the resultant ass chewings.
>had to be
>ground reflection cause nobody ever seemed to hear it up high--
Ground reflection - that's a stretch. More likely hardly dissipated
soundwaves driving through their helmets and impacting their eardrums.
>gad you wudda
>thought I pulled my dong out the way those heifers went crazy...
Nothing like a toddler with a loaded gun to get people's attention,
eh?
>It appears
>Christi never got over it
Well, she had been jumping at that point for 20-30 years and probably
had a real good idea as to what is just near and what is stupidly
close and she'd probably seen here share of jackasses in her time.
Sometime later she did actually share a comment about you and the
whole episode - something about jackass taking the cake or near to.
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>>chasing them, it was eithe pass under
>>or pop over,
>Nevermind that the non-jackass .>approach would be to, upon seeing them
>turn and begin their track would be to lso >track horizontally away or
>even open right there
oh you were there that day? Wait, you didn't start skydiving till 5 years
later...
OK Mr. no it all where were the other formations and canopys, it was a string
of 4 ways, we were 3rd out...I knew where the heifers were cuz I had been
tracking after them....you want me to turn into another group breaking off or
perhaps open high and have somebody eat my canopy?
Nope, continuing on towards the canopys
I saw and popping canopy on their fring
was the safe action....to bad they were at 1800 ft and I was onlLY 10 jumps
into my fresh A because that violated BSR's on a Novices hard deck----otherwise
it was the right thing to do nobody else was even close and they had 100 ft
vertical clearence and 25 ft of horizonal...Why it scared them I understand.
later when I had a D got into the saddle arond 1700 ft, begin unstowingmy
toggles and here comes a sheep that had been on the am 18 way sniviling by
about 10 ft away up at
SDD..The kid sniveled down far, I thought he was gonna bounce.aw hi later, he
had pulled a hamstringon the landing, I didn't say much ,just loaned him a Ace
bandage out of m emergency kit..I knew his canopy was welll worn...I did remark
"hope yournot roling the nose r tail on that rag. He saidhe didn't s commened
"You need to think about pulling above 3500 ft
then" and that was that....See I'm from a different school than you drama
queens.
You assume a risk when you skydive,
no use getting upset if theirs a close call
Just be glad nobody got hurt.....close only counts in horse shoes and
handgrenades you know....Why get bent out of shape and scream----a gentle tip
will do, I'm sure the kid was doing his best, not fukking with other people as
was my intention most of the time and missing by 10 ft was good as a mile....If
grips and getting close bothers lurkers like you and them freaks so much their
in the wrong sport. Shit is going to happen, skydive acording to your nature
and quit screaming bitching and whining over close calls sissy bitchs
TooyT
>that went out before us
>Something you had no business doing
As long as I was gonna be over 100 ft away with no intention of getting in it
was free airspace I am a ex sailor you know-chasing chicks no matter how ugly
is my nature
>
>an example of a sailor doing
>something he has no business doing.
Yeah right, I've heard that at Captains Mast before how was I supposed to know
they were dykes
>Right - and you were driving in for some >sort of bootie-call?
No to scare them and it was tracking after
not driving in, they mean two different things you know WAIT your a lurker, you
may not now.
>gotta recon shit and take
>your lumps,
>Not that you reconned or even hung around to take your lumps.
Thats the idea, your not supposed to be seen or heard, the noise that wopping
ass falcon made gave me away....My buddies were to far away having landed out
to know what was going down so they walked right into the hornets nest when
they walked in the hanger----I was long gone, saved by a down track and heads
up attitude when I peeked into the hanger and saw the posse.
~It pays to be a winner~
0~;->
Jerry K.
>>>not true, do the math, their under canopy
>>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>>>chasing them, it was eithe pass under
>>>or pop over,
>
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass .>approach would be to, upon seeing them
>>turn and begin their track would be to lso >track horizontally away or
>>even open right there
>
>oh you were there that day? Wait, you didn't start skydiving till 5 years
>later...
And since that time I learned pretty early on that 1) chasing after
formations you weren't on in the first place without their knowledge
and persmission, and 2) finding skydivers below you starting their
turn and track and not also tracking away as well or dumping there,
depending on airspace relating to other skydivers in the area, are
both jackass-type stunts.
>OK Mr. no it all where were the other formations and canopys,
Well, as for the formation you left, higher and further along, up the
line of flight. As for the formation you were chasing, shorter along
the line of flight and below you. As for the canopies you opened near
to, also below you - but not for lack of trying to get nearer on your
part.
>it was a string
>of 4 ways, we were 3rd out...I knew where the heifers were cuz I had been
>tracking after them....you want me to turn into another group breaking off or
>perhaps open high and have somebody eat my canopy?
Of course not but what I am saying is the less-jackassed approach
would be to choose not to chase after a formation that wasn't your own
without that formation's knowledge and permission and, barring that -
which should have squelched the idea in the first place, - as they
were turning and tracking, for you to also turn and track as flat and
as hard as you were able towards a part of the sky closer to you than
to them and at an angle between two quarters of their formation's 90
degree vectors. But the chief thing is to not put yourself and them
into the siuation in the first place.
>Nope, continuing on towards the canopys
>I saw and popping canopy on their fring
>was the safe action....
No, it was a jackass stunt, as the resultant ass-chewing from multiple
quarters does seem to bear out. But the uspa was different back then,
eh?
>to bad they were at 1800 ft and I was onlLY 10 jumps
>into my fresh A because that violated BSR's on a Novices hard deck
As well as common sense concerning opening seperation considerations.
>----otherwise
>it was the right thing to do nobody else was even close and they had 100 ft
>vertical clearence and 25 ft of horizonal...
If a person falls around a thousand feet every 6.2 seconds at terminal
then it follows that they fall around a hundred feet every .62 seconds
at terminal. Now, you've already said you fall faster than most so I
would say, putting yourself around a half second of hitting someone at
terminal as they open is the stuff of jackasses. You didn't and
that's good but nothing to be proud of and it still is indicative of
jackass behavior.
>Why it scared them I understand.
>later when I had a D got into the saddle arond 1700 ft, begin unstowingmy
>toggles and here comes a sheep that had been on the am 18 way sniviling by
>about 10 ft away up at
>SDD..The kid sniveled down far, I thought he was gonna bounce.aw hi later, he
>had pulled a hamstringon the landing, I didn't say much ,just loaned him a Ace
>bandage out of m emergency kit..I knew his canopy was welll worn...I did remark
>"hope yournot roling the nose r tail on that rag. He saidhe didn't s commened
>"You need to think about pulling above 3500 ft
>then" and that was that....See I'm from a different school than you drama
>queens.
Sure but this different school sure has a habit of pretend grandeur
when personal jacakss decision are brought into scrutiny.
>You assume a risk when you skydive,
Yes, but this does not change the idea of sanctioning against some who
who would extend that risk to include others without their permission
and knowledge.
>no use getting upset if theirs a close call
Try not to confuse upset with trying to impress upon someone the
parallels between the "Jackass" television program and his own
skydiving activities. I'm thinking what you construed as upset was
just everyone else trying to help your skydiving career not be cut
short due to your own ignorance and inexperience.
>Just be glad nobody got hurt.....
I'm sure they were but tell me this, as you were getting your ass
chewed did this realization that no one did get hurt in any way lessen
the point of the ass chewing?
>close only counts in horse shoes and
>handgrenades you know...
I would say within a half second of collision without informing them
who you would collide with, while certainly not a collisison is
certainly jackassed in its self-centered asurpment of their right to
make a decision as to whether they would like to have another skydiver
roughly a half second away from colliding with them.
>.Why get bent out of shape and scream----a gentle tip
>will do,
Guessing that the gentle tips when you screwed up previously didn't
seem to make an impression so greater decibels were tried. Besides,
if you mean me - I ain't screaming - just analyzing the parallels
between past skydiving events of yours and likening them as
conceibvably suitable for that television show, "Jackass," which you
said you enjoy.
>I'm sure the kid was doing his best, not fukking with other people as
>was my intention most of the time and missing by 10 ft was good as a mile....
Right - by your description he had a gear issue - what you were doing
apparently flying back up the line of flight instead of towards the
landing area in this circumstance is something else entirely. But,
back to your bailing on your formation to chase another - you may not
have been trying to fuck with the 4way you opened near but, you still
opened near and earned the ass chewing.
>If
>grips and getting close bothers lurkers like you and them freaks so much their
>in the wrong sport.
Oh, nothing wrong with gripping and getting close but it is kinda
jackassed to blow off one's own formation to go chasing after another
- especially without informing anyone beforehand.
>Shit is going to happen, skydive acording to your nature
>and quit screaming bitching and whining over close calls sissy bitchs
Shit is certainly going to happen but there is a big difference
between equipment failure shit and in this case - with forethough,
flying yourself away from the formation you are with, into another
formation's airspace and doing so without the other formation having
knowledge of this, let alone permission and besides, methinks you're
protesting too much, Ms. McB.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>I decided to lurk a chick 4 way
>>that went out before us
>
>>Something you had no business doing
>
>As long as I was gonna be over 100 ft away with no intention of getting in it
>was free airspace I am a ex sailor you know-chasing chicks no matter how ugly
>is my nature
A hundred feet away at freefall speeds - you were in their airspace
and though they had a right to know it, this right was usurped -
hence, another ass-chewing.
>>
>
>>an example of a sailor doing
>>something he has no business doing.
>
>Yeah right, I've heard that at Captains Mast before how was I supposed to know
>they were dykes
Didn't you say you observed the Marines avoiding them?
>
>>Right - and you were driving in for some >sort of bootie-call?
>
>No to scare them
Which is also a jackassed stunt. Why would you want to do that?
>and it was tracking after
>not driving in, they mean two different things you know WAIT your a lurker, you
>may not now.
Tell me the difference if distance between is being closed. Are you
saying that they were sliding acorss the sky fast enough to where you
had to remain in a track just to keep them from sliding further away
or are you saying that your track was so weak that you had to track to
maintain the distance you were away or are you saying you only know
how to fly in a track or are you saying that when you turned away from
your formation they were right there and with your weak track you only
had to stick your legs out to maintain that 100' distance?
>
>>gotta recon shit and take
>>your lumps,
>
>>Not that you reconned or even hung around to take your lumps.
>
>Thats the idea, your not supposed to be seen or heard, the noise that wopping
>ass falcon made gave me away....
Nevermind that a wopping ass Falcon further away might make a softer,
perhaps even inaudible noise as heard by the people that heard it.
>My buddies were to far away having landed out
>to know what was going down so they walked right into the hornets nest when
>they walked in the hanger----I was long gone, saved by a down track
Nevermind that it was the downtrack coupled with your decision to
leave your formation to chase another which stirred up the hornet's
nest in the first place.
>and heads
>up attitude
Which, apparently, never translated into the air.
>when I peeked into the hanger and saw the posse.
> ~It pays to be a winner~
And discretion is the better part of valour, or vanity in this case.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>Nevermind that the non-jackass .>approach would be to, upon seeing >them
Hell I was chasing them boy, get a clue.
> 2) finding skydivers below you starting >their turn and track and not also
tracking >away as well or dumping there,
Since you weren't thereand were in fact a wuffo in 1991 you don't have a
concept of
the distance I had to track to catch them
or even what the vertical seperation was.
Another USPA2000 know it all is my
value judgement of your ignorance.
.>I am saying is the less-jackassed >approach would be to choose not to >chase
after a formation that wasn't you
All my prior military training and very soul
required I push the edge, normal skydiving was kinda boring---I needed a
challange and some self important sissys to screw with--that jump filled both
requirements.
>without that formation's knowledge
yup, they wudda come off the step
tracking or pulled at 12 grand if they knew I was gonna follow them in FF
<grin>
>the chief thing is to not put yourself and >them into the siuation in the
first place.
Perhaps your not reading closely.
#1 I was trained to go for broke.
#2 I didn't care what a bunca AFF fuds thought.
You thought I cared?
>Nope,
good choice.
>it was a jackass stunt,
a novice stunt no doubt but only jackass if it had failed, it just took more to
give me a pump, the shit storm in the hanger later was just gravy.
> common sense concerning opening >seperation considerations.
I stayed one lic ahead of the recommened
atitude or mine part of pushing the envelope, you don't progress quickly unless
you stretch besides my first exit after FJC was under the Novice opening
altitude, on one just off S/L I got canopy at 1200 ft, well below the D hard
deck.
Typical of the time I had a distain for the higher AFF opening
altitudes---Finally the JM/I got on me, explaining squares were more unstable
than rounds and talked about terminal speeds and how they cut down the bounce
cushion and I straightened up enuff to get off student status.....I just
couldn't get the ground rush other people speak of, my mind is put together
differently-----can't you tell? <g>
Jerry K.
>>do the math, their under canopy
>>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>>>chasing them, it was eithe pass >>under or pop canopy over
>
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass .>approach would be to, upon seeing >them
>
>Hell I was chasing them boy, get a clue.
Yeah, I know you were chasing them - it's what lead to the asschewing
- remember? Stands to reason if people were a lot more laid back,
less controlling, and not so fearful as you suggest they are now then
you musta really screwed the pooch to earn their irate interest back
then, eh?
>
>
>
>> 2) finding skydivers below you starting >their turn and track and not also
>tracking >away as well or dumping there,
>
>Since you weren't thereand were in fact a wuffo in 1991 you don't have a
>concept of
>the distance I had to track to catch them
No, but as I am a skydiver now, thirteen years later with just under
ten years of skydiving behind me (knock wood), I can certainly
understand the elements all boiling down to the ass chewing and
jackass parallel. Hell, for that matter, you weren't on a freefly
dives (where they don't take grips, eh?) so you don't have a concept
of how images of them happen to exist.
>or even what the vertical seperation was.
>Another USPA2000 know it all is my
>value judgement of your ignorance.
>
>.>I am saying is the less-jackassed >approach would be to choose not to >chase
>after a formation that wasn't you
>
>All my prior military training and very soul
>required I push the edge, normal skydiving was kinda boring---
Loosly translated, undisciplined and with no control over yourself or
your jackass inclinations.
>I needed a
>challange and some self important sissys to screw with--that jump filled both
>requirements.
And so it boils down to you and your own selfish desires and to hell
with anyone who might get screwed along the way, eh? Are you
surprised you were passed over on so many sandlot skydives?
>
>>without that formation's knowledge
>
>yup, they wudda come off the step
>tracking or pulled at 12 grand if they knew I was gonna follow them in FF
><grin>
They woulda said yes or they woulda said no - you never gave them the
chance but then, it's all about you and filling your "requirements,"
eh?
>
>>the chief thing is to not put yourself and >them into the siuation in the
>first place.
>
>Perhaps your not reading closely.
>
>#1 I was trained to go for broke.
So, it wasn't up to you and you aren't to blame but up to your
training and it is to blame. Ya know, sometimes a jackass is a
product of his environment but that still doesn't mean he's any less a
jackass.
>
>#2 I didn't care what a bunca AFF fuds thought.
As is evident by your decision to pursue the course you took without
letting them in on the idea. You did apparently care enough to slink
away to avoid the asschewing coming your way, though. But, let me get
this straight, are you saying Madolyn and Christy went AFF when the
took their FJC?
>
>You thought I cared?
No, not really, as is evidenced by the present jackass example but
should you have cared? Well, anyone other than a jackass would have.
>
>>Nope,
>
>good choice.
While you respond to segments of your own post let me suggest you, 1)
consider that you were a jackass, and 2) you and the present example,
though there are certainly others, would I believe, provide for
classic "Jackass" episodes.
>
>>it was a jackass stunt,
>
>a novice stunt no doubt but only jackass if it had failed,
Novice certainly but it is the jackass who pretends that it was done
for the sake of scaring others or chasing bootie or even because he
got bored with his own, original formation and it is, somehow because
of this, less reprehensible because of the motives behind the action.
If you had failed it would have been described as something else
entirely.
>it just took more to
>give me a pump, the shit storm in the hanger later was just gravy.
>
Gravy which you opted to run away from instead of standing there and
taking it "because it was worth it."
>> common sense concerning opening >seperation considerations.
>
>I stayed one lic ahead of the recommened
>atitude or mine part of pushing the envelope,
And regularly got your ass chewed while being relegated to jackass
status because of it.
>you don't progress quickly unless
>you stretch besides my first exit after FJC was under the Novice opening
>altitude,
And for the sake of a half second, one way or the other, you wouldn't
have progressed at all - which is the risk you take and your decision
but don't expect to include others in your "quick progression" unless
you're cool with being relegated to jackass status - if you're lucky.
>on one just off S/L I got canopy at 1200 ft, well below the D hard
>deck.
Got your ass chewed for that too, did ya?
>Typical of the time I had a distain for the higher AFF opening
>altitudes---
Nevermind that "higher AFF opening altitudes" had nothing to do with
you making a jump after your S/L. Oh, what a point Jinnie is making
by opening low - that'll make those AFF people think! ...or maybe it
was just a matter of a flailing lack of altitude awareness?
>Finally the JM/I got on me, explaining squares were more unstable
>than rounds and talked about terminal speeds and how they cut down the bounce
>cushion and I straightened up enuff to get off student status.....
Which they hadn't explained before up to that point? Guessing they
did unless S/L back in that time was a lot more substandard than I'm
sure it wasn't.
>I just
>couldn't get the ground rush other people speak of, my mind is put together
>differently-----can't you tell
If you wanted groundrush you shoulda got a season pass at Six Flags
and ridden the ferris wheel all day as opposed to involving yourself
in a high-speed sport where things can happen very fast and where with
actions there are consequences. The least of which being you being
known as a jackass - you should write the show - they could use your
experience.
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>>>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>
>Nevermind that the non-jackass .>approach
you don't get the full enjoyment outta the sport do you, if your going to jump
like a old lady, might as well take up knitting.
>Hell I was chasing them boy, get a clue.
>Yeah, I know you were chasing them - >it's what lead to the asschewing
rattled civilians rarely ever jump the right person if he's scarey.....3 other
guys with
more jumps than me got their ass chewed for being with me when I hatched the
crime---came back next weekend and got a few glares across the hanger floor
which was also the packing area...shit I thought it was just white collar twits
bringing their office problems to the dz or because I hurt them financially by
going S/L....Only after Larry told me about the ass chewing him and his
brothern law got did I realize the injustice of DZ politics and the AFF
crowd(another tool I could use against them in a psyops war)----Hell the guys
with me had just carryed on with a three way about a quarter of mile away after
I tracked off in search of trouble, unfortunately they were B's and should
have talked me out of it..They had some idea about it going down cuz I
said...."watch me scare the hell out of them deguello girls over there on that
4 way!".
>it's what lead to the asschewing.
I done told you, no ass chewing, I caught more guff for going S/L from that
crowd
then stunting over the dz, specially Christi-I think she was doing off side JM
at the time
>-Stands to reason if people were a lot >more laid back, less controlling, and
not >so fearful as you suggest they are now >then you musta really screwed the
pooch >to earn their irate interest back
>then, eh?
No, these were AFF people, they have always been anal.....say didn't you go
AFF? Your kin I do believe, it must be hereditary cuz you seem kinda high
strung....I thought it was because skydiving was the only thing you ever did
that wasn't ho-hum, you don't strike me as having much life experiance or ever
pushing the extream edge, I bet you got seat belt on your trike sonny.
>finding skydivers below you
I didn't find them, knew where they were
and went straight for them like a cruise missle.
>I am a skydiver now, thirteen years later
no your a dz whore is what you are.
> with just under ten years of skydiving >behind me
and your causing inflation around dz's
by being part of the problem----stick em for all their worth right?.Shit thats
not skydiving to me, your a twit-not a sport jumper, might as well be working
at a wind tunnel Jerry-less chance of getting hurt, quicker turn around.
>all boiling down to the ass chewing
told you there was no ass chewing, I think they secretly liked bad old men.
>Hell, for that matter, you weren't on a >freefly dive
No that was considered funneling back then and that would get your ass
chewed...Everything taught was directed towards stability, not creating
turbulence griping without reaching and flying you slot with the minimum of
hand or body movement FACE DOWN---Their was something called free style but
that was a woman and cameramans event. Other than that? D style....a set
programnof 360's barrel rolls, front loop, back loop etc in a set time
period...this was related to RW
and could be used to get a D in lew of a Falcon because it was considered
survival trainingbused to get out of the way of other flying bodies
>where they don't take grips, eh?
No they had grips and funnled, now everybodys trying to get out of each others
way---the barrel roll gives you a 360 degree view sky to ground at whats
coming, quick 360's give you a 360 of the horizon. front loops and back loops
allow you to advoid on coming meat bombs or intersecting a cross track at the
junction---it also checked your return speed to belly down stability...I
praticed the shit out of them
cause their usefull for shaking people up also...got so good at flipping around
in the air-ran two D style's in the test time allowed for one at just over 40
jumps, Art filmed it and took a lotta glee in showing it to the skygods,,,,I
told him to quit, never let the enemy know your capabilitys. He sez, they ain't
the enemy. Oh yeah? wait till I cannon ball or front flip through a skygod way
to spice things up!
Oh well, in that case I don't know you snuffy
WTF you were my SL/JM Art.
Not not notttt and we never had this conversation, don't even want to know what
your planning dammit I'M STAFF HERE 0-;>
Jerry K.
>>do the math, their under canopy
>>>>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>>>>>chasing them, it was eithe pass >>under or pop canopy over when I got there
>>
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass .>approach
>
>you don't get the full enjoyment outta the sport do you, if your going to jump
>like a old lady, might as well take up knitting.
Just because I liken this particular episode in your sordid career as
a candidate for the "Jackass" television program does not in any way
suggest that I "don't get the full enjoyment outta the sport," unless
you mean, as in this circumstance and unlike you, an unwillingness to
put other people in peril so I can further my own selfish ends
qualifies as not getting "full enjoyment outta the sport." No, I've
done crazy, stupid shit, most people have, but bearing that in mind,
only jackasses try to rationlize the legitimacy of their actions.
Jackasses don't learn from their mistakes, either. Some even go on to
crow about how their habits which others would typify as jackass in
nature, are badges of honor and somehow sets them apart in some sort
of superior way. Right - like anyone other than a jackass is going to
chase after a formation not of his own originally for the purpose of
"scaring them" or wanting to "push the envelope" or "live on the edge"
or any one of a number of self-involved excuses for poor decision
making abilities and a lack of discipline.
>
>>Hell I was chasing them boy, get a clue.
>
>>Yeah, I know you were chasing them - >it's what lead to the asschewing
>
>rattled civilians rarely ever jump the right person if he's scarey.....
Or in your case - if he slunk off before the boom which was due could
be lowered.
>3 other
>guys with
>more jumps than me got their ass chewed for being with me when I hatched the
>crime---came back next weekend and got a few glares across the hanger floor
>which was also the packing area...shit I thought it was just white collar twits
>bringing their office problems to the dz or because I hurt them financially by
>going S/L....
Remember - early 90's - GM/DZO plots only happen in USPA2000 time
frames. Remember?
>Only after Larry told me about the ass chewing him and his
>brothern law got did I realize the injustice of DZ politics and the AFF
>crowd
Yeah, well - it was only after you managed to open close to the
formation ahead of you that they realized that S/L had somehow let a
jackass slip through the cracks and that unless something was said so
something would be done, this jackass was going to conclude it was
okay for him to do what he did and might very well be encouraged to
repat the experiment and might every well get even closer to them
while opening, with a little practice. DZ politics and AFF crowd -
right. They are to blame, not you, oh no.
>(another tool I could use against them in a psyops war)----
You're the biggest tool imaginable - any other tool would be
redundant, if not overkill (so to speak).
>Hell the guys
>with me had just carryed on with a three way about a quarter of mile away after
>I tracked off in search of trouble,
And here you are bitching about dz politics and AFF after you found
it. Do you ever suppose that dz politics and the AFF crowd are in
reality just pushing the envelope and just looking for trouble when
they so often and so annoyingly do everything within their collective
power to keep you down?
>unfortunately they were B's and should
>have talked me out of it..
Yeah, it was their fault entirely! The prudent thing to do would have
been to leave you on the ground. As it was, you didn't contribute
much to their skydive, anyway - though you were the star of the
post-dive debrief, by all accounts.
>They had some idea about it going down cuz I
>said...."watch me scare the hell out of them deguello girls over there on that
>4 way!".
The fact that you actually had people willing to jump with you just
wasn't enough, was it - you had to go and put other's lives into a
circumstance which they would not be aware was occurring (half a
second, one way or the other) until all was said and done. Doing it
because you're a novice and don't know any better is one thing - but
with malice and forethought now? Good way to get your ass kicked and
your ass thrown off - if you're lucky. But then, it was different in
the 90's, eh? "Hahahaha - barrel of laughs - that was funny! You
opened close to us!"
>
>>it's what lead to the asschewing.
>
>I done told you, no ass chewing, I caught more guff for going S/L from that
>crowd
You already said you caught hell from the other three because they
caught hell for your jackass demonstration. As for S/L guff - early
90's? A decade prior to USPA2000 and the GM/DZO plot was already in
full swing?
>then stunting over the dz, specially Christi-I think she was doing off side JM
>at the time
Yeah, well - you expect to have a student forget how to fly and lose
awareness or come across some crazy idea and follow it from time to
time but it doesn't say much for S/L that you managed to fall through
the cracks. I can well imagine Christy giving you the stink eye - if
you're lucky.
>
>>-Stands to reason if people were a lot >more laid back, less controlling, and
>not >so fearful as you suggest they are now >then you musta really screwed the
>pooch >to earn their irate interest back
>>then, eh?
>
>No, these were AFF people, they have always been anal.....
Back in the early 90's? I thought the S/L and old-timer outlaw crowd
and cadre was far too unified and strong to allow that sort of thing
on a dropzone.
>say didn't you go
>AFF?
Yep, just as Christy and Madolyn went S/L, I went AFF - solo'd on jump
#8. How 'bout you?
>Your kin I do believe, it must be hereditary cuz you seem kinda high
>strung....
Hell, I didn't go S/L like they did - damn yoyos are scared of
freefall and kinda freaky about being able to deploy their own rigs.
>I thought it was because skydiving was the only thing you ever did
>that wasn't ho-hum,
I never said that. I've done and still do a whole bunch of things
which ain't ho-hum - this just happens to be the skydiving newsgroup.
If there was a moderator who's only stricture was either no jumps or
being current to post, you'd be screwed and relegated back to the RV
newsgroup.
>you don't strike me as having much life experiance or ever
>pushing the extream edge, I bet you got seat belt on your trike sonny.
So you'd like to imagine but just because I argue how only a jackass
would with malice and forethought end up opening close to a formation
out ahead after chasing it down from another formation, without
warning or permission, does not mean that I am without "life
experiance or ever "pushing the extream edge." Nor am I so wrapped up
in myself that bragging about whatever might fall into that criteria
is something I'll fall back on as a means of argument, either. You're
suggesting that your behavior makes you "extream" and you "push the
edge." Well, wupty shit and have another Mountain Dew but try to keep
in mind that while you see yourself as laudibly "extream" and "on the
edge" there's many other who remember and who still see you as simply
a jackass.
>
>>finding skydivers below you
>
>I didn't find them, knew where they were
>and went straight for them like a cruise missle.
Cruise missles fly with control though they could, if aware, blame
their flying decision on someone else so perhaps the cruise missle
analogy is apt, not so much in a control sense but certainly in an,
after the fact, gotta blame this on something besides myself, sense.
So, when you knew when they were turning for their track, nevermind
putting yourself there in the first place, you continued on and
opened when they opened, instead of getting out of there and the
result was close proximity to an open canopy as you were opening.
>
>>I am a skydiver now, thirteen years later
>
>no your a dz whore is what you are.
Tough-tittie, Jinnie - got close to ten times the number of jumps you
ever made, more time in the sport, jumped in more places, with more
people, in larger formations, turned more points, and earned more
hardware than you ever did but all that doesn't mean too much beyond
all the fun I've had getting from there to here because, when you get
down to it - I'm current.
>
>> with just under ten years of skydiving >behind me
>
>and your causing inflation around dz's
>by being part of the problem----
Quit you're whining you big girl. Ain't seen you at the dz making any
sort of attempt to remedy this "problem." Get off your ass and make a
difference instead of bitching about it.
>stick em for all their worth right?.
And then some but ya know? No one's ever asked for their money back
because I've been lucky enough to do a job (when I bother to fly
cameras, that is) that was worth the money they paid.
>Shit thats
>not skydiving to me,
Yeah, well - I don't give a rat's ass what you think is skydiving and
is not. It's out of your control. See you at the dz where I'll be
skydiving - wait, guess not.
>your a twit-not a sport jumper, might as well be working
>at a wind tunnel Jerry-less chance of getting hurt, quicker turn around.
Blow it out your ass, tarmac-boy. I can fly camera *and* take grips.
What have you done lately?
>
>>all boiling down to the ass chewing
>
>told you there was no ass chewing, I think they secretly liked bad old men.
Aside from the other three you were with chewing yur ass - you did
mention that they were somewhat put out for catching your shitstorm
for you.
>
>>Hell, for that matter, you weren't on a >freefly dive
>
>No that was considered funneling back then and that would get your ass
>chewed...
Not that getting your ass chewed was ever an impediment to your
actions or decision making. So, since you weren't on a freefly dive,
you weren't there when they built that formation with all those points
and since you weren't there, I guess you can't say they didn't build
the formation with all those points because you just don't know - not
even sure what it all means, eh? So, tell me - when did the change
come about in your own head from freefly is funneling to you buying
your very own sitsuit and finding yourself whistling in a low register
from exit to whenever you were about to open?
>Everything taught was directed towards stability, not creating
>turbulence griping without reaching and flying you slot with the minimum of
>hand or body movement FACE DOWN---
How come the training didn't stick with you?
>Their was something called free style but
>that was a woman and cameramans event. Other than that? D style....a set
>programnof 360's barrel rolls, front loop, back loop etc in a set time
>period...this was related to RW
>and could be used to get a D in lew of a Falcon because
>it was considered
>survival trainingbused to get out of the way of other flying bodies
If you saw them coming that is.
>
>>where they don't take grips, eh?
>
>No they had grips and funnled,
I thought you said funnel-flyers don't take grips. You're stepping on
your tail again, monkeyboy.
>now everybodys trying to get out of each others
>way---the barrel roll gives you a 360 degree view sky to ground at whats
>coming, quick 360's give you a 360 of the horizon. front loops and back loops
>allow you to advoid on coming meat bombs or intersecting a cross track at the
>junction---it also checked your return speed to belly down stability...I
>praticed the shit out of them
>cause their usefull for shaking people up also...
Doing a lot of solos, were ya?
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>Just because I liken this particular >episode in your sordid career as
>a candidate for the "Jackass" television >program
And what you got? nothing cuz I got nothing to hide in the typical USPA fashion
that politically correct USPA twits your used to huh kid? I just let it all
hang out, some geek sez did you really do that? I say yeah, you don't like it
tough titty bite my ass pussy.. Then little fans like you use their vivid
immagination and claim stupid shit like opened on his back,
in the middle of another formations canopys---none of which is true,Any trained
skydiver will tell you I would be dead if I actually did that rolloverand open
on my back type shit you come up with and anyone with more than one year in the
sport will recognize it for what it is, dz style politics where as I recognize
it for what it is really is ~f e a r~ so I correct your misinformation and say
tough titty kid you don't lke it bite me, what you gonna do get me kicked out
of the USPA? bwoooooohahaha your a weak candy ass sonny, a underachiver, you
only do one thing-----shoot video-----your a fukking non grip lurker and on top
of that you do it for chump change If not for AFF you would stillll be a wuffo
cuz SL filtered out the weak, it took charater to climb out alone and hang the
strut...you cain't push the edge cuz you live in fear the strut wudda been the
ledge you couldn't cross, You've been jumng like a old lady for 10 year, why do
you pretend to be a extream skydiver ya citypuss? Shit you don't even pack your
own half the time, so your not only afraid and projecting that fear on others
just out having fun on a day off, your lazy, like a begger you have your hand
stuck out and your saying..any money for me? Parasite
Jerry K.
>>>you don't get the full enjoyment outta >the sport do you, if your going to
>>>jump like a old lady, might as well take >>up knitting.Jerry
>
>>Just because I liken this particular >episode in your sordid career as
>>a candidate for the "Jackass" television >program
>
>And what you got?
Well, I got you dancing for starters.
>nothing cuz I got nothing to hide in the typical USPA fashion
>that politically correct USPA twits your used to huh kid?
Oh, no - heaven forbid - not you hiding a thing. So, when the
shitstorm was striking and they were looking for you, where were you?
Hiding?
>I just let it all
>hang out,
No, you're more of hemmorage in practice.
>some geek sez did you really do that? I say yeah, you don't like it
>tough titty bite my ass pussy..
I didn't know your ass was a pussy. No, you rationalize your screwups
and it's okay to screw up - everyone does some time or another - but
you can't accept your mistakes are mistakes nor do you take
responsibility for them and that is exceedingly weak.
>Then little fans like you use their vivid
>immagination and claim stupid shit like opened on his back,
Aw, gee - I bothering someone yet? Just fucking with you, Jinnnie.
How's it go? Dish it out but can't take it?
>in the middle of another formations canopys---
Are you now saying you didn't leave your formation to go scare another
formation and in so doing, put others in a position you had no right
to put them in? This is "letting it all hang out?" I'm just saying
that it's jackass enough to be on "Jackass" and if you don't like it,
well - tough tittie - write the show.
>none of which is true,Any trained
>skydiver will tell you I would be dead if I actually did that rolloverand open
>on my back type shit
You did roll over on your back and open. True, you continued the roll
on to your stomach but pretty anal of you to get all bent out of shape
about it.
>you come up with and anyone with more than one year in the
>sport will recognize it for what it is, dz style politics
Oh yeah - you fuck with someone and you're just fucking with them.
Anyone fucks with you and it's "dz style politics." Stop you're
whining, bitching, and your cheap excuses...and wipe the spittle from
your chin while you're at it. Hey - is that a bug in your mouth?
>where as I recognize
>it for what it is really is ~f e a r~
So, care to tell us what you have to fear so much about freeeflying
that you feel you have to assert that freeflyers don't and can't take
grips and care to tell us how this fear is so deep and ingrained that
even when you are provided with hardcore proof that freeflyers indeed
can and do take grips you feel you have to find some other angle such
as the nature of the formation or whether the formation was a record
or not, or even if all the freeflyers were in the formation as a means
to either change the subject away from the obvious or to invalidate
the whole concept of freeflyers taking grips? Are you afraid that
this threatens your pretense?
>so I correct your misinformation
Misinformation? Please, call it psyops if you will.
>and say
>tough titty kid you don't lke it bite me,
No, you make rationalizations attempting to describe your actions as
rightous while attempting to change the subject. I just take your
words and shine the light of reality - not my fault your words can't
thrive in such an environment. Adapt, evolve, get a grip, and get
real.
>what you gonna do get me kicked out
>of the USPA?
Naw, better to just continue to merely fuck with and divert you here.
How's it go again? Tough tittie and if you don't like it, gum me.
>bwoooooohahaha your a weak candy ass sonny, a underachiver, you
>only do one thing---
So you often say but you actually have no idea what I do. Been to a
dz lately?
>-shoot video----
Well, that's one of the things I can do and one of the things I do but
it is not all that I do. What could you do and more telling, what
have you done lately?
>your a fukking non grip lurker
One who takes grips, too - burns, don't it.
>and on top
>of that you do it for chump change
Well, yeah - it's not like a make a living from flying cameras or
anything. You saying now it would be all right if I raised my rates?
Hot damn - the union has spoken and looks like Christmas is on,
afterall!
>If not for AFF you would stillll be a wuffo
Hmmm - actually if I had no choice I woulda gone S/L. I mean, the
desire was there and I still had to climb outside the airplane before
I jumped. Does this mean that it could be said if were not for S/L,
you'd still be skydiving? I mean, look at the results - you did your
little S/L thing, did whatever number of jumps plus whatever for
repeats to get off student status, 300 or so some odd jumps later
you're out. I do my little AFF thing, solo on #8, 3000 some odd jumps
later I'm still jumping and I expect to be at the dz later on in the
week. Just based on this very specific and unscientific sample alone,
S/L kinda blows, doncha think?
>cuz SL filtered out the weak,
Please, spare us the rhetoric, for once. Taking you as an example, it
didn't seem to filter out the stupid, the arrogant, or even one of the
jackasses.
>it took charater to climb out alone and hang the
>strut...
Well, by that token, I could say it also took charactor to exit off
and hope that me and my training or my JM's and their training would
be on top of things enough for me to get my parachute out - instead of
relying on some static line and gravity. But, I'm not arguing the
relative merits of either program - just a familiar sideshow on your
part - but, as ever, if you want to pursue this angle for the
rhetorical bounty which it doth provide, by all means, go to it. I
mean, it might be a pleasant change of subject for you from the whole,
"Your antics would be perfect for that show "Jackass," angle of
fuckwith.
>you cain't push the edge cuz you live in fear
Geez - settle down Beavis. Does this idea make you feel better since
you so obviously can or could? The truth is you have no idea about
what sort of edges I might or might not be pushing but I will admit, I
have never pushed the edged of flying myself from one formation to the
one out before me so I could fly over and scare them and the reason I
never pushed this edge was not so much fear but respect for my fellow
skydivers - no one has any right to take from them the ability to
choose who they have in the sky with them or not. Yeah, yeah -
accidents happen and skydiving is unpredictable but as sure as the sun
rises in the east, if a skydiver told me he was going to fly over to
the next formation that exitted earlier so he could go scare them I'd
tell him he was a jackass and predict he'd be opening his canopy
closer to their formation then he would have otherwise. Respect. If
you can't respect yourself, you can't respect others and it's clear
that during your short term skydiving, you had very little, if any at
all, self-respect - kinda plays into the whole self-affirmation thing
you got going on. You feel so bad about yourself you got to be so on
top of showing everyone how bad you really weren't - and if reality
gets in the way? Fuck it.
>the strut wudda been the
>ledge you couldn't cross,
You'll never know for sure, will you. Aff tends to filter out the
jackasses - not saying it's a catchall but it's hard to fake your
flying or rationalize what was going on when the JM's are right there.
I think you woulda been all right on level one if you kept after your
altitude and remembered to arch - most do but I think level 2 woulda
been a repeat. Three, probably repeat. Four, definitely repeat.
Five, once you had nailed down four, maybe -maybe not on the first
attmept. Six and Seven, no - I think the going unstable part, well -
the getting back to stable woulda held you up for a repeat or two. Of
them all - I think four woulda been the ledge you couldn't cross but
like your little S/L dream for me, we'll never know, will we?
>you've been jumng like a old lady for 10 year,
No, I've done my share of stupid shit - probably not as chronically as
you but the real difference is I never made a habit of it, never tried
to rationalize it, never tried to bullshit the responsibility for my
actions elsewhere, always took the lumps I had coming, and consciously
made an attempt to learn from my mistakes so I could get better and so
I could continue on in the sport for as long as possible (knock wood).
>why do
>you pretend to be a extream skydiver ya citypuss?
Who says I'm pretending. I'm just a skydiver - one with more years in
the sport and way more jumps than you and hopefully (knock wood,
bigtime) I'll be able to continue in the sport for a real long time.
Why do you pretend that your "extream" activities made involving
others unknowingly into participation in them makes you a skydiver
when, quite simply, it just makes you a jackass?
>Shit you don't even pack your
>own half the time,
No, and to steal a page from your book of finding a little, niggling
point in an attempt (I'll do the real work in a moment) to negate an
argument, I pack my parachute more than half the time. As a matter of
fact, I pack for myself all the time unless I'm doing back to backs
and that sort of thing only happens really, maybe 3-4 weekends a year,
tops. Hell, I packed myself at Nationals thirty two times but no big
deal - I had the time, wasn't back to backing, and I trust my own
packing more than others. Does that mean I'm afraid? Heavens.
Busted. Afraid of packers. Dear me. How ever will I be able to show
my face on the newsgroup again?
>so your not only afraid and projecting that fear on others
>just out having fun on a day off
Naw, I'm just suggesting your antics are jackass-worthy. What others
do with it is their own lookout.
>, your lazy, like a begger you have your hand
>stuck out and your saying..any money for me? Parasite
Gee - I bothering someone yet? Besides, I'm not lazy, I'm current.
As for money, it's more of a, "Can you shoot us all day Saturday?" and
if I'm gonna spend a day flying cameras when I could be fun-jumping
without cameras perched above my neck, hell yeah - I'm gonna get paid
but, you see - you gotta do a good job to get paid and there's no
rationalizing a formation back into frame when it's out - though I'm
sure you would love to imagine things otherwise.
Jam some prozac down your gullet or take soem Flintstones Chewable
Morphine or something - you've been getting awful strident of late.
Ummm you do realize freeflyers take grips - there's even pictures of
it - no shit!
...bsrp
...jlk
Oneryfart
>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>Nevermind that the non-jackass >approach would be to, upon seeing >them
I woulda ended p over a quarter of a mile away and not pissed them off, wheres
the fun in that? Hell I was chasing them boy, get a clue.
>Yeah, I know you were chasing them - >it's what lead to the asschewing
>- remember?
No ass chewing, I knewthe rules at less than 40 jumps and dissapeared to let
them fume over it ;>
>Stands to reason if people were a lot >more laid back, less controlling, and
not >so fearful as you suggest they are now.
Only the crowd left around from the
60's and us new SL/pigs were casual
about shit---The AFF crowd from the 80's
had fall down hissy fits on a regular basis.
>you musta really screwed the pooch to >earn their irate interest back
>then, eh?
No, all you had to do was be under 5/5 and within sight and they shit, I was
tracking under 5/5 trying toclose the distance and they heard the canopy open
below 2/5 a no no for A's so I fucked their AFF minds up. They thought I was
right on top of them, hell I wast least 75 or 100ft away from their line of
canopy flight and thats as good as a miss... "Mutche todew about nothng" if you
ask me,it was all inn their smal minds 0~;->
Jerry K.
>>do the math, their under canopy
>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>>chasing them, it was eithe pass >>under >or pop canopy and fly along with
>
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass >approach would be to, upon seeing >them
>
>I woulda ended p over a quarter of a mile away and not pissed them off, wheres
>the fun in that? Hell I was chasing them boy, get a clue.
Well, if you're saying that skydiving for you was all about being a
jackass then I see your point but this doesn't explain why you slunk
away later and avoided the ass chewing when if you had remained on the
dz, you could have taken advantage of pissing them off even further -
as well as working the jackass angle that much more. You know - they
start to lay in and you just stand there smiling and then you call
them a bunch of AFF twits or something and they go apeshit and all
probably pass out in frustration while you are manifesting for the
next load - not in the least affected by their bogus, AFF twit ass
chewings. Golden opportunity lost, Jinnie. Surprised you ran from
that...or were there other reasons you buggered off?
>
>>Yeah, I know you were chasing them - >it's what lead to the asschewing
>>- remember?
>
>No ass chewing, I knewthe rules at less than 40 jumps and dissapeared to let
>them fume over it
Aside from the berating you got from the others who caught the flak
meant for you. As for knowing the rules which pertain at less than 40
jumps, was this decision to bolt a matter of avoiding your due or a
matter of working the jackass angle?
>
>>Stands to reason if people were a lot >more laid back, less controlling, and
>not >so fearful as you suggest they are now.
>
>Only the crowd left around from the
>60's and us new SL/pigs were casual
>about shit---The AFF crowd from the 80's
>had fall down hissy fits on a regular basis.
Maybe the "AFF crowd" was just chasing you in order to scare you and
piss you off and the 60's crowd who weren't, weren't really interested
in taking this idea to the edge and pushing the envelope.
>
>>you musta really screwed the pooch to >earn their irate interest back
>>then, eh?
>
>No, all you had to do was be under 5/5 and within sight and they shit, I was
>tracking under 5/5 trying toclose the distance and they heard the canopy open
>below 2/5 a no no for A's so I fucked their AFF minds up.
Naw, I think they were chasing you because they wanted to scare you.
>They thought I was
>right on top of them, hell I wast least 75 or 100ft away from their line of
>canopy flight and thats as good as a miss...
Well, it was a miss and it worked out but it's a highspeed sport and
at freefall speeds, 75-100 feet comes down to about a half second of
margin. Armchair quarterbacking but it's true that a half second
later on throwout or a half second longer deployment or a half second
longer opening means the closest lower canopy is a hundred feet closer
to the other opening canopy and anyone who says they were in control
and on top of things while they pursued this course of putting others,
without their knowledge or permission, into a half second window of
collision is a jackass.
>"Mutche todew about nothng" if you
>ask me,it was all inn their smal minds
Nevermind that the to do about nothing started in your mind when you
decide to leave your formation and chase down the one ahead of you,
further on down - ostensibly for the jackassed purpose of "scaring
them."
...bsrp
...jlk
TooyT
>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>Nevermind that the non-jackass >approach would be to, upon seeing >them
that woulda been on the climbout, they were already gone
>Well, if you're saying that skydiving for >you was all about being a jackass
No it was about pushing the limits, The sport seemed to mundane to me.
>if you had remained on the
>dz, you could have taken advantage of >pissing them off even further -
oh yeah, if not for the stroke I'd no doubt be dead from being hung by the
neck. I could really upset them.. All I had to do was look at some of the
shakey ones like Christi and say "gee I'm on your load! Then grin and they flew
apart....real emotional types & she wasn't the only one. I could make what hair
Ron Mills had on his head stand up, all three of them 0~;)
Jerry K.
>>do the math, their under canopy
>>I'm in a balls to the wall down track
>>chasing them with the idea of giving them more thrill for their money
>
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass >approach would be to, upon seeing >them
>
>that woulda been on the climbout, they were already gone
But not forgotten.
>
>>Well, if you're saying that skydiving for >you was all about being a jackass
>
>No it was about pushing the limits, The sport seemed to mundane to me.
What, not enough scary collisions and close calls for you? Lemme
guess - I like Nascar as much as anyone but you must LOVE it.
>
>>if you had remained on the
>>dz, you could have taken advantage of >pissing them off even further -
>
>oh yeah, if not for the stroke I'd no doubt be dead from being hung by the
>neck.
Not with your habit of cutting and running when things start to get
warm.
>I could really upset them.. All I had to do was look at some of the
>shakey ones like Christi and say "gee I'm on your load!
Christy? Shaky? Over 7000 jumps made since 1969 and a Nationals
medallist if I recall - there's a reason she's skydived for so long,
many reasons, one of them being not suffering jackasses.
>Then grin and they flew
>apart....real emotional types & she wasn't the only one. I could make what hair
>Ron Mills had on his head stand up, all three of them
Well, whadya know - been on teams with Ron, too and Ron used to have
the habit of going up to jackasses who had pulled some stunt after
being warned not to and pulling their silver handle - effectively
grounding them until they could get a repack or another rig - he ever
make a reach for the left side of your rig?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass >approach
>
>you only live once why not live to the fullest rather than in fear?
Nothing wrong with that - everything wrong with including others
without first asking them if they'd care to participate.
>
>>Stands to reason if people were a lot >more laid back, less controlling, and
>not >so fearful as you suggest they are now
>
>what you fail to realize is AFF was around
>and the people out of the 80's that jumped on the band wagon were pretty anal,
So the whole uspa2000 line of rhetorical posing actually predates the
90's.
>plus
>AFF was letting more and more suberban
>anal retentives in
Something which S/L never, ever would allow, eh?
>then along comes Tandem jumping behind AFF..
Nevermind that tandem skydiving pre-dates your entry into the sport
and as a concept put into practice, predates Aff.
>The S/L filter
>could be byassed,
I say this S/L filter is chock full of holes - I mean, just using
yourself as an example. Sure, you climbed a strut and say you did
other rhetorically magnificent things but S/L also failed to filter
out Madolyn and Christy - the very same skydivers you were trying to
scare - now why would you want to do that to a couple of S/L
graduates? I mean, they climbed the strut, passed the test, and made
the grade.
>prices stated going up
>and sleeze which was in the background all the time like a ebola virus ready to
>pounce hooked up with mainstream politcal correctness & staight talk became a
>thing of the past
Never let it be said that you were ever accused of being guilty of
straight talk.
>burried in a thing called the grey area by libera ass
>politicall sissys
Is this kinda like the gray area that exists between putting other
skydivers in peril without them knowing about it being okay because
it's all about being on the edge and pushing the envelope of the
"extream?"
>Now look what you got a bunch of greedy no risk fucks who it
>just happens worship
>money---the raggity old 1 percenters & other oddballs are about gone
You'd think that the 1 percenters could easily stand up to and turn
back the "greedy no risk fucks." Do you think they're training might
be to blame?
>~UPA2000
>is a direct result of that~ I am appalled
Nevermind that the USPA's mission stated here:
"The United States Parachute Association and its 34,000 member
skydivers enjoy and promote safe skydiving through parachuting
training, rating, and competition programs. USPA represents parachute
jumping from aircraft and helps keep skydivers in the air."
predates all this bitching and moaning and much of the issues you're
bitching and moaning about appear to predate 2000 by over a decade.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
wrote:
>>Nevermind that the non-jackass >approach
>
>>you only live once, ride like hell
>
>>Nothing wrong with that - everything >wrong with including others
>>without first asking them if they'd care to >participate.
>
>They weren't invited nor clued in cuz they had skygod attitudes----The blade
>cuts both ways you know
Sorry, including others without first asking them if they'd care to
participate because you don't like something so insignificant as their
attitude, because you feel the blade cuts both ways, because you see
it as a matter of payback apparently, is real jackass.
"They got skygod attitudes so I'm gonna go over there and SCARE them!"
It'd be real tough to prove in a whuffo court but in a skydiver court,
say you had admitted what you had done for the reasons you say after
say someone had been killed? Sound like Voluntary Manslaughter?
Judge - you listening? As it is, sounds like Reckless Endangerment.
Surprised you didn't get thrown off after getting an assbeating. That
shit ain't cool.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jackass award guy
>Nothing wrong with that - everything >wrong with including others
>without first asking them if they'd care to >participate.
>they weren't invited nor clued in cuz they >had skygod attitudes----The blade
>cuts both ways you know
>Sorry, including others without first >asking them if they'd care to
>participate because you don't like >something so insignificant as their
>attitude
Happens all the time in the sport and the real world both Jerry, they weren't
Miss America types you know, When I think ugly, I'm more often than not
thinking about more than attitude. <snarf>
**DISCLAIMER**
Don't do as I did, you may not have my luck
your'e a weaker generation so.
don't skate the edge, stick to the BSR's
Jackass award guy
>you only live once, ride like hell
>Nothing wrong with that - everything >wrong with including others
>without first asking them if they'd care to >participate.
They weren't invited nor clued in cuz they had skygod attitudes----The blade
cuts both ways you know ;-o
Jackass award guy
>that woulda been on the climbout, they >were already gone
>
>But not forgotten.
>
It pays to be single minded sometimes.
>Well, if you're saying that skydiving for >you was all about being a jackass
not quite that extream but the same basic principles apply.
>What, not enough scary collisions and >close calls for you?
I weighed 268 pounds wearing gear and was built like a line backer from loading
freight, those little RW bumps you call collisions were with under 200 pound
lightweights, didn't hardly notice them.
A full track collision probably wudda hurt though.
Scary? I had to work at it hard to scare myself usually just a uneasy feeling
cuz I was a thinking type who knew right from wrong---something was wrong in
that part of my brain, it either got burnt out on the training ranges or melted
in the 2nd IndoChina war...The sport seemed repetative and rather mundane to
me. So it
became about pushing the limits. I understood the consquices of a serious
mistake in the air and always looked at the stunt and calculated the odds
so..its not like I'm crazy or anything
Just a risk taker
Jackass award guy
you only live once why not live to the fullest rather than in fear?
>Stands to reason if people were a lot >more laid back, less controlling, and
not >so fearful as you suggest they are now
what you fail to realize is AFF was around
and the people out of the 80's that jumped on the band wagon were pretty anal,
plus
AFF was letting more and more suberban
anal retentives in then along comes Tandem jumping behind AFF..The S/L filter
could be byassed, prices stated going up
and sleeze which was in the background all the time like a ebola virus ready to
pounce hooked up with mainstream politcal correctness & staight talk became a
thing of the past burried in a thing called the grey area by libera ass
politicall sissys Now look what you got a bunch of greedy no risk fucks who it
just happens worship
money---the raggity old 1 percenters & other oddballs are about gone ~UPA2000
is a direct result of that~ I am appalled ;(
SkydiverRick
> I understood the consquices of a
> serious mistake in the air and always looked at the stunt and
> calculated the odds so..its not like I'm crazy or anything
> Just a risk taker
Your calculations were a little off on that last jump.
David Ferree
Don't worry, Snuff, Ricky's assuming everyone else is a young, stupid,
pussy like him. From his point of view, anything resembling life
outside the comfort zone of what's acceptable to his pussy friends and
family is a miscalculation.
Jackass award guy
more to do with old age and blood pressure over 200 I'm thinking rinkydink
Some chick had paniced in the close confines of the T-bo and started screaming
LET ME OFF LET ME OFF while we were
just lifting off---my bp must have shot up
cause my vison began to blur and by the time we had exited and were on the
ground again I was staggering goldamn AFF tweets
Jackass award guy
> I always understood the consquices
>of mistakes at fast speeds
>Your calculations were a little off on that >last jump.
>Don't worry, Snuff, Ricky's assuming >everyone else is a young, stupid,
>pussy like you From his point of view, >anything resembling life
>outside the comfort zone of what's >acceptable to his pussy friends and
>family is a miscalculation.
Rinkydink claims to have been a DZM
so he artta be sharp enough, he's lazy
though---won't cut grass, clean commodes or sweep the packing carpet, hat
pretty smart butttttttmay bewy he snot a
current empoyee-so being a lazy young pussy, yeah he qalifys
Slam man
>serious mistake in the air
>Your calculations were a little off on that >last jump.
Well the last jump was 3 years after my last jump & I was disabled by the
stroke and left a Hemi-P, Jeebo offerd me a DC-5 and that probably wouldn't
have landed hardenuff to clean snap my tib & fib then shatter a ankle on the
bad leg but I'da been dead from landing in that refinery just west of
Beaumont's LZ. with a wopper 5 cell canopy backing up on me. A no uppers day
might have been nice but if you think I'm just going to jump a couple of times
a year when the winds just right in Texas---than you truely don't know my
charater rinkydink..The planes in the loading area, I'm gonna get on, pilot
hollars door and it goes up I'm getting out cuz I'm chasing zen---nothing else
matters. It worked out though....When they plated my leg bones up I didn't need
that stinking AFO to walk anymore----it was eating the calf of my leg up and a
bitch to put on one handed ya fukking AFF
puss
***DISCLAIMER***
Ask DZ staff for advice or follow the BSR's
Want gear advice ask your JM or a Rigger
~Its dangerous~
to take advice from faceless strangers
Feel free to hurl insults at them though ;)
Jerry K.
>> I understood the consquices of a
>>serious mistake in the air
>>i just didn't care
>
>>Your calculations were a little off on that >last jump.
>
>Well the last jump was 3 years after my last jump & I was disabled by the
>stroke and left a Hemi-P, Jeebo offerd me a DC-5 and that probably wouldn't
>have landed hardenuff to clean snap my tib & fib then shatter a ankle on the
>bad leg but I'da been dead from landing in that refinery just west of
>Beaumont's LZ. with a wopper 5 cell canopy backing up on me.
All about thinking it through - what do you have to work with, what's
good under the circumstances to jump, and where do you spot it?
>A no uppers day
>might have been nice but if you think I'm just going to jump a couple of times
>a year when the winds just right in Texas---than you truely don't know my
>charater rinkydink..
You gotta start somewhere and you have said in the past the idea was
to get back to your "125 or so jumps a year," but you didn't plan a
dime's worth on making it happen and happen right - you just made it
happen with predictable results. Don't get me wrong - I admire the
desire to jump and probably thousands of people every year take that
step and make the jump but only fools do it without thinking things
through.
>The planes in the loading area, I'm gonna get on, pilot
>hollars door and it goes up I'm getting out cuz I'm chasing zen---
With predictable results - real zen would have been to consider and
plan for the overall picture.
>nothing else
>matters.
Like I said - I can respect that but only that. If the plan, as you
said, was to get back to a hundred plus jumps a year then it is clear
that there were other things which mattered. Thinking things through
for starters.
>It worked out though....When they plated my leg bones up I didn't need
>that stinking AFO to walk anymore----it was eating the calf of my leg up and a
>bitch to put on one handed ya fukking AFF
>puss
And never to jump again - a fair tradeoff I suppose - I'd rather be
able to hobble than otherwise but this is only a silver lining of
falling short of the original goal. BTW - Rick went S/L. - many years
before you ever did. Guess that kinda makes you a boot in the S/L
scheme of things, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
> BTW - Rick went S/L. - many years
> before you ever did. Guess that kinda makes you a boot in the S/L
> scheme of things, eh?
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Actually, my first jump was a solo freefall from 3200'. I was supposed to
count to five and pull but it took me nine seconds. I've never jumped S/L or
AFF except as an instructor. AFF wasn't invented yet anyway, which was the
point that you were trying to make.
Jerry K.
Wups - my mistake!
...bsrp
...jlk