hard landing incident
Vedfolnir
their not kicking you in the ass breaking these bad wuffo habits? Talk to the
JM/I
about getting a more experianced mean assed bastard to help you. On the other
hand you have to realize skydiving takes some work on your part and bo bo's
come with the sport, specially while your learning the basics...you can be
doing everything right and still get skint up...suck it up and either quit or
drive on ;(
the old Philosopher
S?an
programme is perhaps different. For such an extreme sport as
skydiving, I guess that I am a little surprised that there seems to be
such little training (at least where I jump.) I was taught my PLF on
day of training which was mid June but never once has it been
mentioned to me since. In fact, I have only gone through my emergency
cut away procedures once since then. There have been long breaks
between my jumps due to bad weather. On the day of my jump, the owner
of the DZ said that I may not get a jump due to the winds being
unpredictable. I think he let me jump in the end because I have been
going to the DZ almost every weekend and have often missed out due to
the weather. I aked my JM if perhaps I should have radio assistance
because it had been some time since my previous jump and also because
the winds were so changeable. He said that he thought I'd be fine
without it.
I'm a bit bored now of talking about my accident. The irony is that I
have landed on my feet on every single jump except the last one. I
guess my ego told me to put my hand down when I slid. The actual jump
went well and I am now just four good jumps away from Cat 8. I managed
to do four jumps on the weekend of my training which could not have
gone better. The weather was perfect, in fact my first ever jump was
on the sunset lift. I look forward to have more weekends like that
one. It is end of season here in the UK and so I shouldn't miss too
much of next season assuming my wrist heals quickly. Until then I can
continue the practice of using my left hand. At least masturbation has
taken on a whole new dimension .
>:-p
afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir) wrote in message news:<20031128201155...@mb-m24.aol.com>...
Vedfolnir
mid >June but never once has it been
>mentioned to me since.
Thats the way we got it, once...on the FJC day, falling off folding
chairs...Thats why its important to move forward quickly or have
some old knock kneed bums around to make you do ground drills if your jumps are
delayed, cuz automatic motor skills are learned by repetition. SPX was strict
about student minimums though...most of the old jumped out dz bums have been
run off, not cuz they were a big expence...5 bucks to sign off a students
pack..a free meal or jump once in a while to drill the students and keep an
eye on them cuz they said what they thought and hurt both staff & youngsters
feelings...wudda done it for free it basically just gave them an excuse to come
out to the DZ. The BPA don't require packing skills to be signed off, Yawl are
going upscale also huh? ;)P
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>>I should have mentioned that I am in the >UK where the training programme is
>>perhaps different. I jump.) I was taught >my PLF on day of training which was
>mid >June but never once has it been
>>mentioned to me since.
>
>Thats the way we got it, once...on the FJC day, falling off folding
>chairs...Thats why its important to move forward quickly or have
>some old knock kneed bums around to make you do ground drills if your jumps are
>delayed, cuz automatic motor skills are learned by repetition. SPX was strict
>about student minimums though...most of the old jumped out dz bums have been
>run off,
Which is bullshit. You don't know. You haven't been to dropzones for
years. I say that there's lots of experienced people still at
dropzones who haven't been run off, who do help others - students,
friends, each other.
>not cuz they were a big expence...5 bucks to sign off a students
>pack..a free meal or jump once in a while to drill the students and keep an
>eye on them cuz they said what they thought and hurt both staff & youngsters
>feelings...
Funny - nowadays the same people do it not in some sort of expectation
of some sort of gratuity but because they feel like it - it's a good,
proper, and when all is said and done, constructive thing to do for
skydivers new to the sport and for the sport in general as a whole.
>wudda done it for free it basically just gave them an excuse to come
>out to the DZ.
Nevermind the excuse of going out to the dz to skydive. Nevermind
that.
>The BPA don't require packing skills to be signed off, Yawl are
>going upscale also huh? ;
I don't know about the BPA but I would think that a demonstration of
packing skills is required to be signed off though, the imagined lack
of it as well as the presence of some imagined concept of "old dz
bums" being run off does serve your purpose of denigrating the sport
and its people so that the sport which, through your own idiocy and
shortcomings is no longer a viable outlet for you, is not so large of
a loss.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>perhaps different. I jump.) I was taught >my PLF on day of training which
>was
>>mid June but never
>Thats the way we got it, once...on the >FJC day, falling off folding
>chairs...Thats why its important to >move forward quickly
>Which is bullshit. You don't know. You >haven't been to dropzones for
>years.
>Thats the way we got it, once<---note
you wuzzn't even around then kid, didn't even start till after SPX Leauge City
shut down, what the fuk do you know about it? ;)P
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
Oh, the whole folding chair thing I can believe - I jumped off the 2nd
floor inside the building at Waller to practice the PLF for my round
jump but what's bullshit is your contention that "all the old jumped
out dz bums have been run off," -unless you're saying that running off
old jump bums was rampant at SPX back in and before the mid 90's?
...bsrp
...jlk
Tuppz
when was your last hard landing?
Falling out of the outhouse on a binder
"Jerry K." <sky...@pdq.net> wrote in message
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Vedfolnir
> ya didn't even start till after SPX Leauge >City shut down, what the fuk do
you >know about it?
>
>Oh, the whole folding chair thing I can >believe - I jumped off the 2nd
>floor inside the building at Waller
>to practice the PLF for my round
>jump but what's bullshit is your >contention that "all the old jumped
>out dz bums have been run off,"
Jumped off the skywalk at waller leading to the training room to pratice eh?
there in lies the bullshit...FULL OF SHIT AWARD
goes to Jerrysheep ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Thats the way we got it, once...on the >FJC day, falling off folding chairs
>Thats why its important to move forward >quickly, either way your next time
will be for real and thats why the student minimums should be followed closely
I'd even take them out and make them pratice PLF's the day of their first jump
cuz ya don't always git to jump on FJC day due to weather and size of class...
The radios are often useless because their ears are unused to sudden altitude
changes therefore stopped up or their so pumped they kin't follow directions
correctly if they accidently do hear them ;)
>Which is bullshit.
Everybody doesn't start out a skygod Jer
besides Thats the way we got it at SPX back in 90, once you wuzzn't even around
then you little looser ;)P
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>>I should have mentioned that I am in the >UK
>
>>Thats the way we got it, once...on the >FJC day, falling off folding chairs
>>Thats why its important to move forward >quickly, either way your next time
>will be for real and thats why the student minimums should be followed closely
>I'd even take them out and make them pratice PLF's the day of their first jump
>cuz ya don't always git to jump on FJC day due to weather and size of class...
>The radios are often useless because their ears are unused to sudden altitude
>changes therefore stopped up or their so pumped they kin't follow directions
>correctly if they accidently do hear them ;)
>
>>Which is bullshit.
>
>Everybody doesn't start out a skygod Jer
>besides
Yeah, true (aside from the selective cut n' paste) but it's still
bullshit to suggest that all the old dz bums have nowadawys been run
off.
>hats the way we got it at SPX back in 90, once you wuzzn't even around
>then you little looser
Ah, so back in those glorious "outlaw 90's" salad days when old dz
bums were being run off at SPX - something I wasn't around to
experience is somehow a valid argument suggesting nowadays all the old
dz bums have been run off.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Nope, there were witnesses and it was that 2nd floor walkway at the
top of the spiral stairs, above the packing area leading to the
upstairs classroom, the rigging loft, couple of bunkrooms, and further
up on the 3rd floor, Dick's apartment - the 2nd floor above the
packing area and off into a PLF down in the packing area. I think
someone video'd it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>>there in lies the bullshit...FULL OF >>SHIT AWARD goes to Jerrysheep
> I think
>someone video'd it.
>
>...bsrp
Put the video up...you think don't git it ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>>
>Everybody doesn't start out a booty wearing skygod Jer besides
>Yeah, true (aside from the selective cut >n' paste) but it's still
>bullshit to suggest that all the old dz >bums have nowadawys been run
>off.
well you said Mike Smith is a dz bum and that cleary indicates you don't know
what a true early 90's dz bum was ;)P
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
And you said the old dz bums have been run off and that clearly
indicates you don't know what truly is happening (in this case, not
happening) today.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>>Jumped off the skywalk at waller to >>pratice for a round jump eh?
>>>there in lies the bullshit...FULL OF >>SHIT AWARD goes to Jerrysheep
>
>> I think
>>someone video'd it.
>>
>>...bsrp
>
>Put the video up...you think don't git it
I don't have the video but I have witnesses. Ask Russell Webb - it
was his round and he was there. Otherwise, get your stupid self out
to Waller and *I'll do it again* right before I jump the round again
(with Russell's permission, of course).
You see - I can back up and am willing to back up any or all of what I
say about myself whereas you - you're just backed up.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>what a true early 90's dz bum was
>
>And you said the old dz bums have been run off and that clearly
>indicates you don't know what truly is happening (in this case, not
>happening) today.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
>
Mike was a JM/I, pilot & master rigger he started SPX and has given a lot to
the sport over the years, he chose to do this even though he had a Pharmacy
degree and cudda lead a more secure life...has prolly forgotten more than you
will ever know...that goes without saying cuz your'e young, self involved and
one dementional with just video skills...you represent what I see as a dz bum,
a dz hustler...ya just want your jumps payed for...hell yer not even a pure
funjumper, just a little long haired kid looking for a handout! ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>I think someone video'd it.
>Put the video up...a you think don't git it
>
>I don't have the video
well you didn't do it then o~;->
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>>well you said Mike Smith is a dz bum >and that cleary indicates you don't know
>>what a true early 90's dz bum was
>>
>
>>And you said the old dz bums have been run off and that clearly
>>indicates you don't know what truly is happening (in this case, not
>>happening) today.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>>
>
>Mike was a JM/I, pilot & master rigger he started SPX and has given a lot to
>the sport over the years, he chose to do this even though he had a Pharmacy
>degree and cudda lead a more secure life...
Uh, I think he did both and you forgot to mention that he was also one
of those big, bad, only in it for the money and screw the rest, TwinT
dzo's complete with AFF.
>has prolly forgotten more than you
>will ever know...
That's true. You been taking my suggestion and chewing the prozac, I
see.
>that goes without saying cuz your'e young, self involved and
>one dementional with just video skills...
Oh, wait - nevermind. Must have been a random synapse accidentally
firing. I'm just a current skydiver with more than a clue about
what's the deal than you ever did or, barring currency on your part,
ever will.
>you represent what I see as a dz bum,a dz hustler...ya just want your jumps payed for.
But, all the dz bums were run off! How'd they miss me? Hustler, hell
- I don't make any promises I can't deliver on and people aren't
forced to have video or surprised with a bill at the end of the day -
all their choice. I just provide a service. Hustling is doing
something like telling some student they were backsliding or trying to
take a bunch of novices up on a bigway while it was the "big
experienced organizer D" who was flailing across the sky.
>..hell yer not even a pure
>funjumper,
Ah, the political, caste conscious slant rears its scaley head. I
would say that on all my funjumps that I am a funjumper and in my
experience, most of my non-funjumps (like with cameras strapped to my
head with a specific mission in mind), they were fun too.
>just a little long haired kid looking for a handout!
No more of a handout than a dzo charging for a ticket, an instructor
charging for their experience, a rigger charging for their expertise,
or a packer charging for their ability. I don't take a thing which
wasn't earned. It all comes down to choice. No one forces video
(except for comeptition rw where it's kind of necesarry and the
camerageek's a member of the team.)
...sbrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>FULL OF SHIT AWARD goes to Jerrysheep
>
>>I think someone video'd it.
>
>>Put the video up...a you think don't git it
>>
>
>>I don't have the video
>
>well you didn't do it then
Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub of it and it did happen but
let's take it further - I suppose all your brown water adventures
which you are only too pleased to relate to others here, (or even you
standing up a landing), Oh yes, all on video, eh?
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>>funjumper,
>Too bad that you never had enough skill or talent
>to get your jumps paid for. Any one who does, is not a skydiver in your
>skydiving anal's
>
>
thank god you mean....git paid and it becomes a job...I went to the dz to git
my knee's in the breeze and away from
the daily grind...The little m'fer is tied down, not a true sportsman..he might
as well be working at Burger King ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>
>Put the video up...a you think don't git it
>I don't have the video
>
>well you didn't do it then
>
>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub of it
ha likely story FULL OF SHIT AWARD goes to Jerrysheep
>I think someone video'd it.
>
then you just think you did it huh?
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>
>well you didn't do it then
>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub >of it
likely story, video geek didn't dub his own stupid trick? FULL OF SHIT AWARD
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
don't >know what truly is happening (in this >case, not happening) today.
the old one dementional bums who, cut grass, fueled planes, checked student
packing, did odd jobs. They fell by the wayside when things went mainstream and
you suberban twits moved in big time
and didn't leave the fuk your buddie habits at home..People like Lodi Mike and
Mike Smith ain't dz bums..their still teaching and are storehouses of USPA
knowedge.
You only have one skill-----video and ya ain't even smart enuff to know when to
dub
Yeah I see you as a dz bum kid o~;->
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>>>you represent what I see as a dz bum,
>>>a dz hustler...ya just want your jumps >>payed for...hell yer not even a pure
>>>funjumper,
>
>>Too bad that you never had enough skill or talent
>>to get your jumps paid for. Any one who does, is not a skydiver in your
>>skydiving anal's
>>
>>
>thank god you mean....git paid and it becomes a job...
Do nothing but and have your rent hang on the dive and the weather -
that's a job - but still, there are worse jobs I suppose. Sour grapes
- you never got asked. Were never considered capable.
>I went to the dz to git
>my knee's in the breeze and away from
>the daily grind...
Which doesn't make you special.
>The little m'fer is tied down, not a true sportsman..he might
>as well be working at Burger King
True sportsman? Hell, I've competed regionally in and across Texas,
at Collegiates, and multiple Nationals - as well as a whole slew of
little throw together fun and scrambles meets in 3way, 4way, 8way,
10way speed, 16way, and 20way. Tied down? No, I do what I want, when
I want - skydiving is an option. But not for you - the root of your
sour grapes.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>I think someone video'd it.
>>
>
>>Put the video up...a you think don't git it
>
>>I don't have the video
>>
>
>>well you didn't do it then
>>
>
>>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub of it
>
>ha likely story FULL OF SHIT AWARD goes to Jerrysheep
When I looked down at the group gathering to watch me bust my ass I
saw someone with a camera but it never crossed my mind to get a dub -
unless, of course, I actually *had* busted my ass - or stood it up.
>
>>I think someone video'd it.
>>
>
>then you just think you did it huh?
No, I'm positive it happened - I was there and unlike you, with no
pretense struggling to be made in order to set about some lameass
self-aggrandizing with the purpose of proving somehow how "special" I
believe myself to be, why would I lie about something so inane as
jumping off the 2nd floor to practice a plf prior to jumping a round?
You see, not everyone tells stories trying to prove themselves.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>I don't have the video
>>
>
>>well you didn't do it then
>
>>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub >of it
>
>likely story, video geek didn't dub his own stupid trick? FULL OF SHIT AWARD
>
Well, yeah - it was a stupid trick but it served its purpose - I had
never jumped a round, had no idea how fast I'd be coming down, and
what the hell - I hadn't jumped off a roof since I was a kid and the
2nd floor inside is lower than the roof, why not? Label it as shit
all you want, it still will not change the reality - videogeek with a
talent for tearing down your pitiful excuses for arguments and a
doggedness to not go away jumped about 10'-15'(?) to practice a plf
prior to jumping a round. Here's the best part - while this annoying
fly in your ointment was descending towards the packing area, like
you, he was without any ability to steer, slow, or control his descent
(once he had leapt off) but, unlike you - after he he landed, instead
of being carted off to a hospital in an ambulance to begin a stay of
several days, he went back outside and practiced capewell and belly
reserve emergency procedures for a while. This shit get better every
day.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>I don't have the video
Where have I heard that before?
>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub of it
yeah right and they've prolly taped over it by now right? FULL OF SHIT AWARD
>When I looked down at the group >gathering to watch me bust my ass I
>saw someone with a camera
Sounds like skydiver pricks D story
"Well I was quallfied in 81 but didn't get it till the 90's" FULL OF SHIT.
>I think someone video'd it.
Just like prick thinks he artta have a 1981
D licence....Let me tell yawl the facts of modern American culture...If you
ain't got the proof, it ain't the truth so no use talking about it ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
by window and picked up his D 10 years sooner
>True sportsman? Hell, I've competed >regionally in and across Texas,
>at Collegiates, and multiple Nationals
Thats a personal search for glory...at the rate yawl drop teams to better your
position it has little to do with teamwork
or fun jumping...kinda like party jumpers
calling theirselves fun jumpers...afraid my
parameters are tighter than yawls. You either is or ain't, explain that to
skydiverprick on the licence issue...he eithe applied in 81 or didn't...WOW he
threw away 10 years of skydiving and has the Texas Terror on his young ass now,
shudda turned in the paper work! At least you know how to dummy up your
skydiving awards web....Can you git into USPA' hard drive and fix Pricks D
number problems?
While yer at it change the coaching rule...
Skydive U needs a break, you soory young m'fers need to learn to stick together
and git ywe story straight ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>well you didn't do it then
>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub >of it
>likely story FULL OF SHIT AWARD
>Well, yeah - it was a stupid trick but it >served its purpose
you got no video so it serves no purpose
Always git a copy of stupid tricks kid.
>I had never jumped a round, had no idea how fast I'd be coming down.
your not jumping with a combat load..so depending on diamiter of round, weight,
mosture and temp...not very hard at all..
If your weight is anywhere near your IQ I'd say way less than 18fps What a puss
;)P
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
>>And you said the old dz bums have been >run off and that clearly indicates you
>don't >know what truly is happening (in this >case, not happening) today.
>
>the old one dementional bums who, cut grass, fueled planes, checked student
>packing, did odd jobs. They fell by the wayside when things went mainstream and
>you suberban twits moved in big time
I don't know how one demensional any of them are, I think it varies
from person to person but they haven't fallen by the wayside and what
happened to your earlier description of the old dz bums who also used
to jump with the novices (until they were run off by uspa and the dz)?
>and didn't leave the fuk your buddie habits at home..People like Lodi Mike and
>Mike Smith ain't dz bums..their still teaching and are storehouses of USPA
>knowedge.
So, since you're now assigning the politically incorrect angle to the
whole idea of the old dz bum (and dropping the used to jump with
novices until they got run off by uspa and the dz's part of the
description), why were you bitching earlier about uspa and the dz's
running them run off?
>You only have one skill-----video
No, there's the crew and the rw and the vrw (not really skilled in vrw
but I can do it) - and the host of shit outside of skydiving - like
easily splashing your ass with reality whenever you're taking a dump -
heh, but unlike you, I don't assign self worth to demonstration of
some skill in a recreational past-time
>and ya ain't even smart enuff to know when to
>dub
Whoopty shit - I practiced a plf - I suppose you got video of yourself
jumping off of folding chairs?
>Yeah I see you as a dz bum kid
Wait, the approved kind that jumped with novices until uspa and dz's
ran them off or the other kind that merely falls under that label by
the nature of the fact that they call you on your bullshit?
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>The little m'fer is tied down, not a true >sportsman..he might as well be
>working >at Burger King...just like skydiver prick shudda went by their drive
>by window and picked up his D 10 years sooner
>
>>True sportsman? Hell, I've competed >regionally in and across Texas,
>>at Collegiates, and multiple Nationals
>
>Thats a personal search for glory...
No, it's sport jumping with friends and the joy of teamwork and
friendly competition.
>at the rate yawl drop teams to better your
>position it has little to do with teamwork
>or fun jumping...
Hmmm...been on the same team for longer than a season - never left a
team for another, teamwork was always evident, and the jumps were
always fun.
>kinda like party jumpers
>calling theirselves fun jumpers...afraid my
>parameters are tighter than yawls.
Call it what it is - you're just anal.
>You either is or ain't,
Right, and you weren't ever a true sportsman outside of your own
defenition which shifts, changes, and contradicts itself, depending on
the nature of the argument.
>explain that to
>skydiverprick on the licence issue...he eithe applied in 81 or didn't...
But he still made the jumps. No application made or not changes that
fact.
>WOW he
>threw away 10 years of skydiving
Threw away perhaps in the sense of them being recognized in some way
by some entity (which is what you're all about - paperwork is an
acceptable substitute for reality) but that still does not change the
fact that they were made nor does it change the experience which was
gained. You're just chapped that here's a guy with way the fuck more
experience than you ever had, who started way the fuck long before you
ever started, calling you on your crap and delivering unto you the due
ration of shit you have coming to you.
>and has the Texas Terror on his young ass now,
You're not from Texas and you're more like a pimple on the ass of an
elephant when it comes to you somehow concluding a personal ability
and experience greater and more relevant than his. Not that it's
relevant but he is sadly lacking in his tarmac munching experience -
you applied to uspa for that cudo yet?
>shudda turned in the paper work!
Well, yeah - if the goal was having some sort of document with which
to wave about and thus hopefully prove some sort of relevancy but you
see, that's not necesarry when you've already proved it in the air.
>At least you know how to dummy up your
>skydiving awards web....
Ah, that old fallback angle and so again it goes - no awards were ever
misrepresented on the team's webpage - specifically before I was a
member of that team which you suggest that web page was representing
at the time and certainy not after I came on board, either. Neither
was I ever the webmaster but that's neither here nor there - call it
what it is - a bullshit attempt to convey some sort of targeted
failing to prove a bullshit argument which never carried water in the
first place. But then if you got video to prove it...snark.
>Can you git into USPA' hard drive and fix Pricks D
>number problems?
Don't know of any problems. He got the D long before you did - oh,
that's the problem.
>While yer at it change the coaching rule...
Why do that? It ain't broke so no fix is necesarry. But feel free to
run the argument off on that tangent if that suits ya - I've pasted
you all across the floor before on this subject too and sure as shit,
I'm ready and capable of doing it again. Go for it!
>Skydive U needs a break,
No probs with SkyU, either, as near as I can tell. I work with a
couple who does it every now and then and the SkyU students all seem
to think it's worthwhile and the postive results of the program are
clearly discernable.
>you soory young m'fers need to learn to stick together
>and git ywe story straight
Discussing stratagy with your personalities is hardly a subsitute for
an argument. Might I suggest you mention to them to come together,
get out to a dropzone, and get a clue? Until then one is just going
to keep contradicting the other - often in the same sentence. Two
steps forwards, three steps back.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Put the video up...a you think don't git it
>
>>I don't have the video
>
>Where have I heard that before?
>
>>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub of it
>
>yeah right and they've prolly taped over it by now right? FULL OF SHIT AWARD
I dunno, I never asked but I can find out. WHen I get the video, you
gonna buck up and come out and see it?
>
>>When I looked down at the group >gathering to watch me bust my ass I
>>saw someone with a camera
>
>Sounds like skydiver pricks D story
>"Well I was quallfied in 81 but didn't get it till the 90's"
Well, yeah - both accounts are true.
>
>>I think someone video'd it.
>
>Just like prick thinks he artta have a 1981
>D licence...
He never said that - he said he qualified for it in '81 but didn't
actually apply for it until later. Pay attention.
>Let me tell yawl the facts of modern American culture...If you
>ain't got the proof, it ain't the truth so no use talking about it
You got proof you used to jump off of folding chairs to practice your
plf's? Not that I really give a shit, just holding you to your own
standard. C'mon, put up or shut up.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>I don't have the video
>
>>well you didn't do it then
>
>>Oh, it's on video - I just never got a dub >of it
>
>>likely story FULL OF SHIT AWARD
>
>>Well, yeah - it was a stupid trick but it >served its purpose
>
>you got no video so it serves no purpose
Yeah, right - like video of a practice plf negates any purpose of
practicing a plf. Oh, I see - you place all importance in being able
to show off you did something as opposed to just doing something and
gaining the experience sought in doing it. Not bad - you have not
contradicted yourself (yet). You are remaining constant in your
suggestion that documents and paraphenalia have more importance and
more relevancy than real experience. For you it's all about being
able to *tell* someone rather than being able to really *show*
someone.
>Always git a copy of stupid tricks kid.
No, if I had busted my ass it would have been stupid but as it was, I
just fell and plf'd and it prepared me for what to reasonably expect
when I came down under the round and hour or so later. Not a stupid
trick. Just an exercise.
>
>>I had never jumped a round, had no idea how fast I'd be coming down.
>
>your not jumping with a combat load..so depending on diamiter of round, weight,
>mosture and temp...not very hard at all..
Ah, well - by that stupid argument those students practicing their
plf's aren't coming down under combat loads either and depending on
loading, moisture, and temperature, why - there's no reason to
practice since they won't be coming down very hard either.
>If your weight is anywhere near your IQ I'd say way less than 18fps What a puss
How it was loaded is beside the point to the current argument - it was
a parachute system I had never jumped before so it was wiser to
practice a plf than to expect not having to. Hell, you expected you
wouldn't have any problem unstowing and steering (nevermind plf'ng)
the last canopy you jumped. Surprise! Too bad you didn't practice.
What an idiot.
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
> Just like prick thinks he artta have a 1981
> D licence....
Never said any such thing. I'm sure that my D number's lower than yours
anyway. I have more cut-aways than you have stand up landings.
SkydiverRick
> your not jumping with a combat load..so depending on diamiter of
> round, weight, mosture and temp...not very hard at all..
> the old Philosopher
Hey Snuff, I'll bet that I have more round jumps than you. My guess is that
Jerry does too.
SkydiverRick
> What an idiot.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
An extreme example of stating the obvious.
Vedfolnir
>>my knee's in the breeze and away from
>>the daily grind.
>That little m'fer Jerry/K is tied down, not a true sportsman...he basically
does the same thing at the dz that he does 9 to 5.
>So what's your excuse now...........>besides I'm just an old, broken up man,
>with fits of uncontrollable rage when you >don't get your way? Chuck
I think its funny, yawl take yerself way too serious, ifin I wuz a Canadian I
cud makk a million selling Prozak to USPA twits ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>D licence....
>Never said any such thing
good thing cuz ya didn't git one and you will never have one now, cuz ya
cuddn't fill
out the paperwork or sumthang
> I'm sure that my D number's lower than yours
Your balls are prolly smaller too cuz ya didn't have the stones to go for a D
in the 80's Suckkkkkkkkker...make a fish motion with yer mouth kid...cum on
pucker like a perch stoopid o~;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Hey Snuff, I'll bet that I have more round jumps than you. My guess is that
>Jerry does too.
>
If your story about being D quallified in 81 but not gitting it is true you
might be right
cuz the first time I checked out a dz in the 70's, they wanted you to do 200
rounds to quallify to jump a foil FUK DAT...As far a jerry goes I doubt it,
made my first in 1961 did 18 non combat jumps and that was it...he seems to be
naturally stupid & a coward besides doubt pounding in under rounds gave him
ADD or he has more than one o~;)P
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
>> prick thinks he artta have a 1981
>> D licence....
>
>> Never said any such thing
>
> good thing cuz ya didn't git one and you will never have one now, cuz
> ya cuddn't fill
> out the paperwork or sumthang
I thought that you were anti USPA? You change your mind more often than a
little girl.
>
>> I'm sure that my D number's lower than yours
>
> Your balls are prolly smaller too cuz ya didn't have the stones to go
> for a D in the 80's Suckkkkkkkkker...make a fish motion with yer
> mouth kid...cum on pucker like a perch stoopid o~;->
>
Is that the same fish motion that you made when you was munching tarmac in
Beaumont?
SkydiverRick
>> Subject: Re: hard landing incident
>> From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>> Date: 12/2/03 8:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>> Message-id: <20031202204636...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>>
>
>> .As far a jerry goes I doubt it,
>> made my first in 1961 did 18 non combat jumps and that was it...he
>> seems to be
>> naturally stupid & a coward besides doubt pounding in under rounds
>> gave him
>
> can tell, you never jumped until you took up skydiving, Mr. Bullshit.
18 non combat jumps in the navy? Sniffy should have joined the airforce. At
least he could get above that big pile of bullshit that he produces.
Vedfolnir
>tell, you never jumped until you took up >skydiving, Mr. Bullshit.
got any proof chuck? sayyyy ain't we danced this dance before? AND YOU GOT YOUR
TOES STEPPED ON HAHAHAHA
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>out the paperwork or sumthang
>I thought that you were anti USPA? You >change your mind more often than a
>little girl.
The USPA I was in in the early 90's was ok more than ok if you ask me...it
wuzzn't untill little suberban phoneys like Jerry K got in and started voting
that it went to shit
Yuh the USPA your in sucks Rickyprick
without a doubt you suck by association,
look for you to run for Regional Director
any day now...zowee shudda applied for that D IN 81 pogey bait o~;-*
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
...you can be doing everything right and still get skint
> up...
> the old Philosopher
Or in Snuffy's case everything wrong.
Vedfolnir
>on a web page..........let others decide.........Mr. YOU GOT THE WRONG
>GUY..........boo hoo, give a release
>to Joe and let him publish his
>information.
I suppose you would like me to co sign for a car or house while I'm at it to
huh city fellow? Think I fell off the turnip wagon?
I GOT THE POWER AND PLAN ON KEEPING IT suckeeeeeer o~;-*
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
> look for you to run for Regional Director
Doesn't pay enough.
SkydiverRick
Think I fell off the turnip wagon?
Yes!
Jerry K.
What? Somebody taking this here electronic newsgroup serious? Shit,
just because some of us ain't slapping little girl cahtroom emoticons
at the end of our stuff, left and right, is no reason to think this
shit's all serious.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: hard landing incident
>>From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>>Date: 12/2/03 8:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20031202204636...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>>
>
>>.As far a jerry goes I doubt it,
>>made my first in 1961 did 18 non combat jumps and that was it...he seems to
>>be
>>naturally stupid & a coward besides doubt pounding in under rounds gave him
>
>I'd like to see some proof of the 1961 18 jumps, got any? As far as I can tell,
>you never jumped until you took up skydiving, Mr. Bullshit.
I wanna see the video. Until then, it's all just another trip into
the Magic Kingdom...or NeverLand.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: hard landing incident
>>From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>>Date: 12/2/03 9:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20031202214623...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>
>>got any proof chuck? sayyyy ain't we danced this dance before? AND YOU GOT
>>YOUR
>>TOES STEPPED ON HAHAHAHA
>>the old Philosopher
>
>We were dancing before you laid down. Send that release, I will put what I have
>on a web page..........let others decide.........Mr. YOU GOT THE WRONG
>GUY..........boo hoo, give a release to Joe and let him publish his
>information.......remember "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you
>free."
>RIGHT
Don't back him into a corner Chuck - I mean, he can't bite or anything
but the stink glands go apeshit. Oh wait - it's a big stink with
little Snuffie glands. That's right. One of Nature's cruel mistakes.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>the old one dementional bums who, cut >grass, fueled planes, checked student
>packing, did odd jobs. They fell by the >wayside when things went mainstream
>and you suberban twits moved in
>I don't know how one demensional any of >them are,
thats cuz their gone dummy
>what happened to your earlier description >of the old dz bums who also used
>to jump with the novices (until they were >run off by uspa and the dz)?
their knee's were about the size of basket balls and they were creaky...didn't
jump much just looked after the novices...ya spent more time on the ground
between jumps dirt diving then...thats why 90's guys know more than yawl quick
turn around punks.
>why were you bitching earlier about uspa >and the dz's running them run off?
they were the lifeguards an important link was cut when hot water, designer TP
& AC came to the dz.
>You only have one skill-----video
>I guess you wudda made a great dz bum
Jer too bad their gonna run you off in the end ;->
>No, there's the crew and the rw and the >vrw (not really skilled in vrw
>but I can do it)
not well enuff to pass it on I rukun
>heh, but unlike you, I don't assign self >worth to demonstration of
>some skill in a recreational past-time
>
so you don't take skydiving seriously? Good thing their gonna run you off later
;)
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>He never said that - he said he qualified >for it in '81 but didn't
>actually apply for it until later. Pay >attention.
and now he's kicking hizself in the ass
I pay a little too much attention if yew ask
some people...ya he know he a fool o~;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>you got no video so it serves no purpose
>Yeah, right - like video of a practice plf >negates any purpose of
>practicing a plf.
nahhh it just negates your bragging rights
an important point in skydiving circles ;)P
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>the Magic Kingdom...or NeverLand.
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk
oh yeah right Mr. I failed to git video of my 20 ft ff and plf videoman...it
wudda been 8mm wind up black and white back then
for personal use and 16 or 35mm movie tone for military but nobody had thought
of mounting cameras on helments...I rukun if a A1 Spad had made a gun run
behind the R5D off Point Magoo they wudda got us on film...shit Brownies were
still $2.98 when I went in Bought a 35 mm half frame years later but got more
pictures with the brownie...the lens cap on the 35mm kept fukking my pictures
up o~;)
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>I think its funny, yawl take yerself way >too serious, ifin I wuz a Canadian I
>cud makk a million selling Prozak to >USPA twits
>What? Somebody taking this here >electronic newsgroup serious? Shit,
Looks like I got a cult following then
also Rinkydink is upset about his not a 1981 D situation, he's respomded over
15 times tonight alone o~;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>Think I fell off the turnip wagon?
>> the old Philosopher
>
>Yes!
it could happen ;)
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
Hey Snuff, what's your D number?
Vedfolnir
>>> actually apply for it until later. Pay >attention.
>>
>> and now he's kicking hizself in the ass
>> I pay a little too much attention if yew ask
> some people...ya he know he a fool o~;->
>> the old Philosopher
>
>Hey Snuff, what's your D number?
>
7105
the old Philosopher
Jerry K.
There you have it folks - Chuck is in possession of dingleberry's war
record but because releasing it without dingleberry's permission is
illegal (and morally wrong) it will never see the light of anyone's
day except Chuck's. Why would we care? What could this dossier tell
us that hasn't already been talked up and down ad nauseum for a good
long time now? We'll never know (Chuck does but cannot say - so don't
waste your time trying to get him to tell ya) because dingleberry is,
how should I put this?...somewhat hesitant to let his military record
potentially be compared with his personal version of it here.
Without proof either way, and knowing what I know about how ignorant
he actually is on actual skydiving matters - I'm pretty convinced he
spent his enire military career scraping paint and barnacles by day
while assuming the role of the finest drag queen in the fleet by
night.
...bsrp
...jlk
Vedfolnir
>also Rinkydink is upset about his not a >1981 D situation, he's respomded
>over 15 times tonight alone o~;->
>What can we say, you're the bell of the >ball Snuffster
>
I still got the mojo....used to do this same shit at the dz...I THE MOJO KING
;->
the old Philosopher
Vedfolnir
>R5D off Point
>What is an R5D Snuffy?
Navy version of the DC3 or Army C47,
before your time boot ;-*
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
...the lens cap on the 35mm kept fukking my pictures up o~;)
> the old Philosopher
What a shame. Probably didn't get those pictures of you beating Roosevelt up
San Juan hill.
SkydiverRick
Nice of you to keep track. (16)
Jerry K.
Yeah, but who's counting? Cult following? Sure, the cult of
villagers chasing the creature while you go, "Arrrr!" and cast and
ugly shadow.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: hard landing incident
>>From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>>Date: 12/2/03 11:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20031202232917...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>>
>
>>Looks like I got a cult following then
>>also Rinkydink is upset about his not a 1981 D situation, he's respomded over
>>15 times tonight alone o~;->
>>the old Philosopher
>
>What can we say, you're the bell of the ball Snuffster
The Queen of the Dance.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Just like prick thinks he artta have a >>1981 D licence...
>
>>He never said that - he said he qualified >for it in '81 but didn't
>>actually apply for it until later. Pay >attention.
>
>and now he's kicking hizself in the ass
Probably chortling more likely - his D number is still lower than
yours and he still has more jumps under rounds than you ever made,
period.
>I pay a little too much attention if yew ask
>some people.
Of course, some people would consider such habits as anal.
>..ya he know he a fool
With more jumps, experience, and a decided lack of knowledge as to the
thrills of wearing pink tights, backwards underwear, and the acrid
taste of tarmac.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
You shouldn't brag about standing up your landings.
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
Bullshit!
Jerry K.
>>I wanna see the video. Until then, it's all >just another trip into
>>the Magic Kingdom...or NeverLand.
>>
>>...bsrp
>>...jlk
>
>oh yeah right Mr. I failed to git video of my 20 ft ff and plf videoman...
more like 10-12 feet and I didn't do it for the video mister tarmac
muncher I gotta show everyone so I can be relevant.
>it
>wudda been 8mm wind up black and white back then
>for personal use and 16 or 35mm movie tone for military but nobody had thought
>of mounting cameras on helments...
It woulda - you mean you didn't get video of that one time you stood
up a landing. Well, fuck - it never happened and BTW - Good o'l Bob
Bucquor was mounting equipment of helmets back in the 60's - long
before you were sport jumping.
>I rukun if a A1 Spad had made a gun run
>behind the R5D off Point Magoo they wudda got us on film...
Bullshit. Never happened...unless you got proof?
>shit Brownies were
>still $2.98 when I went in Bought a 35 mm half frame years later but got more
>pictures with the brownie...the lens cap on the 35mm kept fukking my pictures
I can't belive that one who has such a hardon for documenting
accomplishments never documented yours. Oh, wait - accomplishments.
nevermind.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Subject: Re: hard landing incident
>>From: afan...@aol.com (Vedfolnir)
>>Date: 12/2/03 11:25 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20031202232534...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>
>>A1 Spad had made a gun run
>>behind the R5D off Point Magoo they wudda got us on film..
>
>What is an R5D Snuffy?
I'm thinking he means R4D - Navy version of the C47. Jumped one more
n' you Snuffgirl - and yes, because you're sgonna be uch an anal
girlie about it - on video.
...bsrp
...jlk
SkydiverRick
> I still got the mojo....used to do this same shit at the dz...I THE
> MOJO KING ;->
> the old Philosopher
Translation: I sure am glad that the real skydivers haven't kill-filed me.
SkydiverRick
>> Message-id: <20031202235604...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>
>>> Hey Snuff, what's your D number?
>>>
>
>> 7105
>> the old Philosopher
>
> All anyone has to do is call USPA and ask for you license numbers,
> they give that information out. I see that you tore down your AOL
> profile with your license numbers. I hired a PI to confirm/deny your
> aassertions. You got an F, compared to your version of your life's
> story. Time to stop the bullshit.
He would have had to get it in the late 70's. Maybe he left the 1 off of the
front.
SkydiverRick
> great education from the full of shit guy.
Better know as, Dances with Tarmac.
SkydiverRick
>> Looks like I got a cult following then
>> also Rinkydink is upset about his not a 1981 D situation, he's
>> respomded over 15 times tonight alone
>
> Yeah, but who's counting? Cult following? Sure, the cult of
> villagers chasing the creature while you go, "Arrrr!" and cast and
> ugly shadow.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Reminds me of that scene in Frankenstein when they chase the monster with
their torches.
Vedfolnir
>>the old Philosopher
>come on Snuff, I posted your D number and that isn't it. 7105 shit.
awwww hell the 1 mussta fell off HAHAHA
go figger
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
I bet that I've jumped out of more of them than Stuffy.
SkydiverRick
BTW - Good o'l Bob
> Bucquor was mounting equipment of helmets back in the 60's - long
> before you were sport jumping.
> ...jlk
He would know that if he really had an SCR. Probably lying about that too.
ynotssor
news:20031203000131...@mb-m28.aol.com
>> What is an R5D Snuffy?
>
> Navy version of the DC3 or Army C47,
> before your time boot ;-*
Actually, a military variant of the DC-4, or C-54 "SkyMaster".
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Vedfolnir
> BTW - Good o'l Bob
>Bucquor was mounting equipment of >helmets back in the 60's
yeah but he was a civilian, even though he drownded...the military didn't take
to hippie ways back then and PCA people were considered watta yew call it
Bohemians?
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
> awwww hell the 1 mussta fell off HAHAHA
> go figger
> the old Philosopher
Which end did it fall off of?
Joe Walther
"SkydiverRick" <Skydiv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:pPezb.77030$Ek.5...@twister.austin.rr.com...
> Jerry K. wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking he means R4D - Navy version of the C47. Jumped one more
> > n' you Snuffgirl - and yes, because you're sgonna be uch an anal
> > girlie about it - on video.
> >
> > ...bsrp
> > ...jlk
>
> I bet that I've jumped out of more of them than Stuffy.
Walther responds...
The official designation for the Douglas "Skymaster" was R5D-3; R5D-4 and it
was the Navy version of the C-54. They were also used for LORAN testing as
EC-54U's and for photographic mapping as RC-54V's.
I was under the impression that the last Navy Skymaster (R5D-3, designated
as C-54Q) was retired in 1974. I am not 100% certain about this, though.
Regards
Walther
Vedfolnir
>Hey Snuff, what's your D number?
>7105
>the old Philosopher
>come on Snuff
>He would have had to get it in the late 70>'s. Maybe he left the 1 off of the
>front.
WELL I'LL BE DAMN THE ONE FELL OFF HAHAHAHAHAHA o~;>
the old Philosopher
SkydiverRick
> "Vedfolnir" <afan...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20031203000131...@mb-m28.aol.com
>
>>> What is an R5D Snuffy?
>>
>> Navy version of the DC3 or Army C47,
>> before your time boot ;-*
>
> Actually, a military variant of the DC-4, or C-54 "SkyMaster".
Check this out http://seagifts.com/seagifts/dougr4d5ques.html
ynotssor
news:20031203011310...@mb-m02.aol.com
>>>> What is an R5D Snuffy?
>>>
>>> Navy version of the DC3 or Army C47,
>>> before your time boot ;-*
>>
>> Actually, a military variant of the DC-4, or C-54 "SkyMaster".
>
> R4D was a 2 engine version of the C-47 with 9 cyl engines instead of
> the 14 on the C-47. A Dc4 has 4 engines.
That's correct. Basic data for the DC-4, R5D and C-54, according to
http://www.boeing.com/history/mdc/dc-4.htm :
First Flight: Feb. 14, 1942
Wingspan: 117 feet 6 inches
Length: 93 feet 5 inches
Height: 27 feet 7 inches
Operating Altitude: 10,000 feet
Range: 4,200 miles
Weight: 82,500 pounds
Power plant: Four 1,450 horsepower Pratt & Whitney R-2000 "Twin-Wasp"
engines
Speed: 207 mph
Accommodation: 44 to 80 passengers
Jerry K.
>>And you said the old dz bums have been >run off
>
>>the old one dementional bums who, cut >grass, fueled planes, checked student
>>packing, did odd jobs. They fell by the >wayside when things went mainstream
>>and you suberban twits moved in
>
>>I don't know how one demensional any of >them are,
>
>thats cuz their gone dummy
No, there's still people at dropzones who cut grass, fueled planes,
checked student packing, did odd jobs and did not "fall by the wayside
when things went mainstream and suberban twits moved in," loosly
translated: when I crashed my stupid butt out of the sport and
couldn;t skydive anymore.
>
>>what happened to your earlier description >of the old dz bums who also used
>>to jump with the novices (until they were >run off by uspa and the dz)?
>
>their knee's were about the size of basket balls and they were creaky...
They? A whole herd of them, eh?
>didn't
>jump much just looked after the novices...ya spent more time on the ground
>between jumps dirt diving then...
And they got "run off." Told to never come back. Kicked out on the
street. Court ordered to never again come near.
>thats why 90's guys know more than yawl quick
>turn around punks.
What, less jumps equates to knowing more? Well, I mean, they might
know more about dirt-diving, by your little description - I can see
that.
>
>>why were you bitching earlier about uspa >and the dz's running them run off?
>
>they were the lifeguards an important link was cut when hot water, designer TP
>& AC came to the dz.
Oh yeah - and like there aren't any lifeguards now - they just up and
split (ran off) by water heaters, TP on a roll, and climate control.
Bullshit - people you describe are still around, people do look after
each other but what's obvious is, people could hardly give a rats ass
about wondering what type of toilet paper might be on the roll and hot
showers? Cold showers may have been your Saturday night habit but
I've never heard of anyone blowing off a dz because one's shower was
any more or less dynamic than another. A.C? Skydiviers got the bst
AC in the world - straight up two miles or so. All this dropzone
froo-froo doesn't mean shit to skydivers (though it pleases you to
imagine it so - thus further buttressing your sandcastle of Paradise
Lost so that Paradise will be less missed. Sour grapes.
>
>>You only have one skill-----video
>>I guess you wudda made a great dz bum
>Jer too bad their gonna run you off in the end ;->
>
>
>
>>No, there's the crew and the rw and the >vrw (not really skilled in vrw
>>but I can do it)
>
>not well enuff to pass it on I rukun
Sure, I pass it on - what the fuck do you know? You're not at dz's.
What, is the level of credibility now measured at giving tips on the
usenet (which I've done, btw) as opposed to communicating with people
where it counts - at dropzones? People ask me a question and if I got
the answer, I'll share it but more importantly, if I don't know the
answer I'll try to guide them to someone who does instead of, like
you, making shit up and pretending I know the answer while suggesting
the person with the question is an idiot. You see - you would pretend
to pass stuff on so you could say you pass stuff on so others might
think you're cool, while real people with their heads on straight pass
on what they pass on because it's the right thing to do - they do it
for others - not for themselves. You just have personal affirmation
issues which you try real hard to hide by telling everyone just how
*fill in the blank* you are on this or that.
>
>>heh, but unlike you, I don't assign self >worth to demonstration of
>>some skill in a recreational past-time
>>
>
>so you don't take skydiving seriously? Good thing their gonna run you off later
Oh, I take it seriously. I mean, it's fun of course, I wouldn't be
doing it otherwise but there comes a time before, during, and after
every jump where certain things need to happen and if they don't
happen then certain other things need to happen. There's a time and
place for everything. I don't think the fact that I skydive makes me
any more special than anyone else just as the fact that you once
skydived (or anything else you imagine you've done) makes you any more
or less special than anyone else. Assigning self worth because of
such activity is a clear indicator of a personal belief in a lack of
self worth. It's regularly and successfully arguing your brand of
rhetorical bullshit into the ground on an electronic newsgroup which I
don't take seriously.
...bsrp
...jlk
ynotssor
news:Kefzb.77041$Ek.1...@twister.austin.rr.com
>>>> What is an R5D Snuffy?
>>>
>>> Navy version of the DC3 or Army C47,
>>> before your time boot ;-*
>>
>> Actually, a military variant of the DC-4, or C-54 "SkyMaster".
>
> Check this out http://seagifts.com/seagifts/dougr4d5ques.html
Hah! I like that: "Loose Parts: (not suitable for young children)"
tony
Vedfolnir
>What is an R5D Snuffy?
>>Navy version of the DC3 or Army C47,
>> before your time boot ;-*
>Actually, a military variant of the DC-4, or C-54 "SkyMaster".
>
correct the other one was a R4D, fuk its been over 40 years o~;)
the old Philosopher