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Lucky4040

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Nov 10, 2003, 10:26:36 PM11/10/03
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hey Treetop,,talked to the rev last night,,giggle,,i thinkin that he may be
after anther #,,he went and purchased,,well,, we"LL let him say,,but thinks he
bucking for another #,,and speaking of giving #'s i believe my skysistah Faye
Qualifies for a # also,,awaits ur word..BTW missed all this weekend,,wink
liv 2 luv
luv 2 liv
lucky SUMMO 1

LORD OF THE SKY

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Nov 10, 2003, 11:42:34 PM11/10/03
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"Lucky4040" <luck...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hey Lucky, we missed you guys too!
So what has Faye done to deserve a #?
Now the Rev,...He's going to beat out the Professor in number of
Fancy Lad #s earned! And I'd bet he'll be proud of it!!;>)LOL!!!

Y'all coming to Rome this weekend, Lucky?


Airman1270

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Nov 11, 2003, 6:53:30 AM11/11/03
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> Hey Lucky, we missed you guys too!
> So what has Faye done to deserve a #?
> Now the Rev,...He's going to beat out the Professor in number of
> Fancy Lad #s earned! And I'd bet he'll be proud of it!!;>)LOL!!!
>
> Y'all coming to Rome this weekend, Lucky?


Do be there, guys. My Dad's coming to town, and he enjoys a day
at the DZ, and I don't intend to let him down. Most likely Saturday,
weather permitting. I want to get in on that horny gorilla, Lucky!!!

Cheers,
Jon
FL #28

Peanut4040

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Nov 11, 2003, 8:22:17 AM11/11/03
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> I want to get in on that horny gorilla, Lucky!!!
>
>Cheers,
>Jon

jeeeseee,, you guys are as bad as those boyz from SEMO,, She aint getting in
no horny gorilla till she has had 50 skydives at least. No-, No, and LLLL NO

Peanut4040

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Nov 11, 2003, 8:25:43 AM11/11/03
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> Y'all coming to Rome this weekend, Lucky?
>

not sure. We got us a new trailer and it needs a road trip. However, Chris
at Tullahma is offering a free beer, and going away party for his Twin Bo. We
might want t support the local 40 miles down the road drp zone. We are in beer
rule negotiations currently with him now. It will depend how negotiations go.

Rev Jim

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Nov 11, 2003, 9:23:52 AM11/11/03
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"LORD OF THE SKY" wrote
>
> "Lucky4040" wrote

> > hey Treetop,,talked to the rev last night,,giggle,,i thinkin that he may
> be
> > after anther #,,he went and purchased,,well,, we"LL let him say,,but i

> thinks he
> > bucking for another #,,and speaking of giving #'s i believe my skysistah
> Faye
> > Qualifies for a # also,,awaits ur word..BTW missed all this
weekend,,wink

Tattletail!

>
> Hey Lucky, we missed you guys too!
> So what has Faye done to deserve a #?
> Now the Rev,...He's going to beat out the Professor in number of
> Fancy Lad #s earned! And I'd bet he'll be proud of it!!;>)LOL!!!

I don't know about proud, but honest? Yep.

Over the weekend, I drove to Skydive Greene County, just outside Xenia, OH,
for my ground training and first jump on a Bird Man suit. I'm hooked, and
bought the suit.
I then drove to Skydive Chicago and bought a new Hawkeye TM camera helmet,
as I don't think my previous camera helmet was safe enough. I can make this
one much more snag free.
The kicker, I guess, is I also bought a new Neptune altimeter, Alti-2's
version of the Protrack. Yep, a skydiving computer.

~sigh~ I must admit, I guess it is kinda fancy when you look at it all
together, even if the helmet and altimer are basic black and the suit is
white and blue.

Rev


Brokeneagle

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Nov 11, 2003, 9:26:25 AM11/11/03
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HHmmmm, I believe I have all the qualifications for a Fancy Lad #,
Tree, as I recall 'em from earlier Fancy Lad posts-- 'cepting th'
booties-- but can substitute my ability instead to translate the
French that issues from my good man John's butt cheeks for them
thangs-- and much thanks for the nomination, skysistah Sumo 1! Say,
Tree, wish ye would've stayed longer Sunday-- Senor Randy, John, Sue
and I attempted a Horny Gorilla to celebrate Ms. Sue's 44th birthday-
we flipped over into a perfect inverted 4-way sit-fly that held for
about 3 grand-- <grin> You were there with us in spirit, Lucky--
Yeti-man, we may not be there this weekend; depends on if John gets
back from S.C.--
Faye.

"LORD OF THE SKY" <lord...@ellijay.com> wrote in message news:<bopp1...@enews2.newsguy.com>...

jsk

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Nov 12, 2003, 9:46:10 AM11/12/03
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Hey - I got a number just for getting a new pair of gloves. A birdman
suit must be
worth 50 numbers by that reckoning.

ynotssor

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Nov 12, 2003, 5:37:58 PM11/12/03
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"jsk" <kal...@ameritech.com> wrote in message
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> Hey - I got a number just for getting a new pair of gloves. A birdman
> suit must be worth 50 numbers by that reckoning.

Only if he wears it into a bar that's not familiar with skydivers, on a
Saturday night.

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Peanut4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 1:15:17 AM11/13/03
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>> for my ground training and first jump on a Bird Man suit. I'm hooked, and
>> bought the suit.

you are growing tooo fast, and yew need to slow the Puck down.

Rev Jim

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Nov 13, 2003, 7:50:33 AM11/13/03
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"Peanut4040" wrote

Many condemn what they do not fully understand. BirdMan got a bad name from
a few people that either pushed too damn hard, were not properly prepared,
or were just plain idiots. You telling me that, Peanut, is the same as a
whuffo telling you you are an idiot for jumping.

I, right up until last wekeend, was ready to downsize. I had a new rig lined
up, as well as a smaller (1.75 to 1 wingload), fully eliptical airlocked
canopy. Do I think I'm ready for it? Hell yea! Am I going to buy it, now
that I have the suit? Hell no! Wingsuits, if not flown perfectly, are
subject to extreme spinners on opening. For that reason, I'm staying big
(reletively speaking, 1.4 to 1) and square (original Sabre), as I don't
enjoy the thought of spinning on my back in a suit that doesn't
automatically allow access to my risers.

Say what you want Peanut, I'm not putting away the suit. In fact, right now
it's the only discipline I'm jumping.

Rev


peanut

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Nov 13, 2003, 5:18:36 PM11/13/03
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> Say what you want Peanut, I'm not putting away the suit. In fact, right now
> it's the only discipline I'm jumping.
>
> Rev

Well, I guess, its all about learning, and as i have said many times
in thirty years of coaching wrestling. The teacher always learns more
than the student. Even though the students are always younger,
faster, stronger. I can not stop the effects of the adranaline drug.
In some ways, i've been the pusher, so who the LLL am i to judge the
student.? I worry about you kid.

I have learned to respect my sign-off.--- and will use it more
sparingly in the future. I must use good judgement in the future, and
you must be careful.

Rev Jim

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Nov 13, 2003, 6:34:26 PM11/13/03
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"peanut" wrote

I respect you Peanut, but you seem to forget one small thing. The "A" card
you signed off was over 2 years ago. I've grown since then, a fact you would
have seen had you accepted my invites to both the WFFC this year, and
Skydive Greene County this last weekend. You have not seen what I am doing
now. In fact, you had no clue. I have since been signed off for my "B" and
"C", and actually filed my "C". Those were signed off by two people other
than you, dad. Two people, I might add, that know what I can do, for they
have seen my jumping recently. I also have met all the qualifications for
the "D", except for the sheer number of jumps. In all actuallity, I feel the
"D" is not necessary for me at this time, and thus am in no hurry to get it.

We never stop learning, Peanut. I'm just learning something now that scares
the daylights out of you. I understand that. Fear can be a good thing. I
helps keep people from making stupid decisions. For example, Peanut is
afraid of a wingsuit. That is good, for it keeps him away. I am afraid,
right now, of picking the wrong canopy for my discipline of choice. I almost
did, by the way. If this wingsuit does nothing else, it keeps me under a
nice, stable square canopy for the forseeable future.

Everyone gets a shot of adrenaline just from the exit, Peanut. The
difference with a wingsuit is that's about where it ends, for me. The actual
flight is calming. 70 mph winds in your face vs. 120+ is a big difference.
When was the last time you were able to talk loudly in freefall (not yell,
just talk with a loud voice) and have those around you hear every word, and
reply? I can answer that for you bud, never.

I agree, wingsuits are a whole new world, and not for everyone. They are for
me though, and that is not changing anytime soon.

Rev Jim
C-33989


JimBo

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Nov 13, 2003, 6:41:58 PM11/13/03
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>Subject: Re: fancy lad #
>From: "Rev Jim" isky...@charter.netNOSpAmoLa
>Date: 11/13/2003 3:34 PM Pacific

>I respect you Peanut, but you seem to forget one small thing. The "A" card
>you signed off was over 2 years ago. I've grown since then,

>You have not seen what I am doing


>now. In fact, you had no clue.

>I have since been signed off for my "B" and
>"C", and actually filed my "C".

>In all actuallity, I feel the


>"D" is not necessary for me at this time, and thus am in no hurry to get it.
>

Wow....this is like rereading a book or.watching an old movie again.
Dont let that ego kick your ass Jimbo.
posted and mailed


Jim D-10154
funjumper ...retired hoe
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.

Rev Jim

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Nov 13, 2003, 6:51:03 PM11/13/03
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"JimBo" wrote

> >Subject: Re: fancy lad #
> >From: "Rev Jim"
> >Date: 11/13/2003 3:34 PM Pacific
>
> Dont let that ego kick your ass Jimbo.
> posted and mailed
>

I've calmed way down since those old book days. I'm happy under a square,
and equally happy learning what to me is a totally new frontier.

I was simply telling Peanut how I feel. I was hoping to keep ego out of it
this time, without hurting his.

I feel comfortable, relaxed even in freefall now. I'm no longer tense, I
smile all the time, and I really, really enjoy what I'm doing.

That's all, really.

Rev Jim
C-33989
posted, and, um posted.
(Charter won't let me cc with a munged email address)


JimBo

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Nov 13, 2003, 6:59:40 PM11/13/03
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>Subject: Re: fancy lad #
>From: "Rev Jim" isky...@charter.netNOSpAmoLa

>I was simply telling Peanut how I feel. I was hoping to keep ego out of it
>this time, without hurting his.
>

The nut was showing genuine concern in his Alabama way.....you came back as an
egotistical know it all.

>I feel comfortable, relaxed even in freefall now. I'm no longer tense, I
>smile all the time, and I really, really enjoy what I'm doing.

Theres nothing wrong with enjoying youself and having a great
time.....but....understand when someone shows the concern that was generated
from viewing another youngster.....just like you......crushed and broken, in a
field somewhere ,because his ego led him astray.

Lucky4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 7:32:05 PM11/13/03
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WELLLLLLLLLLLL Treetop you going to give her #??? You going to Rome this
weekend??


liv 2 luv
luv 2 liv

lucky SUMMOO 1
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Capt. hook

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Nov 13, 2003, 7:45:47 PM11/13/03
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>"Rev Jim"

>The "A" card
>you signed off was over 2 years ago

>I have since been signed off for my "B" >and "C", and actually filed my "C".

;-]still time to git an SCR/SCS kid [-;

> I also have met all the qualifications for
>the "D", except for the sheer number of >jumps.

New rule on D's kicks in and your'e gonna think sheer...Ya might even acidently
git the SCS before the D now heh heh ha ha ho ho snerk o~;)P


"Fit Via Vi"
Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche

Mike Spurgeon

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Nov 13, 2003, 8:30:48 PM11/13/03
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Rev Jim wrote:

> "peanut" wrote

>> I worry about you kid.
>>
>>I have learned to respect my sign-off.--- and will use it more
>>sparingly in the future. I must use good judgement in the future, and
>>you must be careful.

> I respect you Peanut, but you seem to forget one small thing. The "A" card
> you signed off was over 2 years ago. I've grown since then, a fact you would
> have seen had you accepted my invites to both the WFFC this year, and
> Skydive Greene County this last weekend. You have not seen what I am doing
> now. In fact, you had no clue. I have since been signed off for my "B" and
> "C", and actually filed my "C". Those were signed off by two people other
> than you, dad. Two people, I might add, that know what I can do, for they
> have seen my jumping recently. I also have met all the qualifications for
> the "D", except for the sheer number of jumps. In all actuallity, I feel the
> "D" is not necessary for me at this time, and thus am in no hurry to get it.

So you've less than 200 jumps, in over two years, and you're
ready for a wingsuit?

It scares Peanut and others for some very good reasons.

Unfortunately, it doesn't scare you for the same very good reasons.

If memory serves, that's always been your attitude...

Capt. hook

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Nov 13, 2003, 8:46:23 PM11/13/03
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>Rev Jim wrote:
>
>> "peanut" wrote

snip>So you've less than 200 jumps, in over two years, and you're

>ready for a wingsuit?
>
>It scares Peanut and others for some very good reasons.
>
>Unfortunately, it doesn't scare you for the same very good reasons.

>Mike Spurgeon

and on top of everything else the young loudmouth peckerwood cuddn't even git
in a 8 way to score the SCR and he's already got the C lic. tsk tsk tsk sad sad
sad
o~;->

Peanut4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 8:51:18 PM11/13/03
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>
>I respect you Peanut, but you seem to forget one small thing. The "A" card
>you signed off was over 2 years ago. I've grown since then, a fact you would
>have seen had you accepted my invites to both the WFFC this year, and
>Skydive Greene County this last weekend.

i have SINNNEDDDD-
i WONT offer up any excuses. That for which i did to you was wrong, I admit
it., I am a human being just like we all are. Now, I apologise, I fucked up.
My reserves had already been penciled in twice, and my rigger is going to give
me hell this weekend.

You have not seen what I am doing
>now. In fact, you had no clue.

I agree,, you have grown, and i agree, that i do not know your skill level
currently,,,,,and my argument is you are growing to "quickly", -->because of a
skydive bum, who was interested in selling you a suit, that fit you like a
glove. In the words of Jack Guthrie, Utah, (parachutist a couple months back
we need to make those skydive bums responsible who sell gear to people who do
not have the experiece to jump it.

I have since been signed off for my "B" and
>"C", and actually filed my "C". Those were signed off by two people other
>than you, dad.

Yeppers, i know those guys, and I LOVEEEE them,,, but they still wont give me
their bud lite.

. In all actuallity, I feel the
>"D" is not necessary for me at this time, and thus am in no hurry to get it.

AWWWW,, WE AGREEE,, yew dont NEEED no stinking DEEEEEE, WHY you wont to give
uspa any more money?


>We never stop learning, Peanut. I'm just learning something now that scares
>the daylights out of you.

YESSS---I agree,, and honestly rev,, Think about this --i have a base of 800
skydives. A 'rookie' by many IN this sport. And you know, I just did my furst
crew canopy skydive a week or so ago, with a world champion. (Thanks chris) I
figure, i'l l start learning to fly on my head and butt with all that freaky
shit, when i Hit 1,000. From 1000 to 2000 I'll get good with the freaking
chit.

NOW, before the freaks start busting my chops about the freak air chit,, let me
say,, [ CAN PARTY ALLLLLL YEW YOUNG,snotty nose, comode hugging brats, piss
aint WHIPPER SNAPPERS INTO THE BONFIRE. Yew dont know HOWWW to party
(course, i aint wearing a Andy dew)

I understand that. Fear can be a good thing. I
>helps keep people from making stupid decisions.

uhmmm,,, have yu got it yet?

. If this wingsuit does nothing else, it keeps me under a
>nice, stable square canopy for the forseeable future.
>

I have not argument to keeping you under a safe canopy. As its been said a
million times here. NOBODY should ever die from a fully functioning
parachute. Only STUPID people die that way. I have watched two die.,, and
both those two, had accompanying people who went on vacation for a long time.
I am glad you have made a smart decision on canopy size.

>Everyone gets a shot of adrenaline just from the exit, Peanut. The
>difference with a wingsuit is that's about where it ends, for me. The actual
>flight is calming. 70 mph winds in your face vs. 120+ is a big difference.
>When was the last time you were able to talk loudly in freefall (not yell,
>just talk with a loud voice) and have those around you hear every word, and
>reply? I can answer that for you bud, never.

Smile,,, yes,,, i was wondering what i was going to learn between 2,000 and
3,000 skydives. You've sold me.. Sign me up Rev, to find me a bargain suit,
from a skydive bum, that i can buy cheap, and put in the closet for a couple of
years.

>I agree, wingsuits are a whole new world, and not for everyone. They are for
>me though, and that is not changing anytime soon.
>
>Rev Jim
>C-33989
>

you are "younger, faster, stronger, with more imagination" than i am. I"m
forty fat and frisky,. with a lot of wisdom.

Capt. hook

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Nov 13, 2003, 8:57:01 PM11/13/03
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>Rev

>In all actuallity, I feel the
>"D" is not necessary for me at this time, >and thus am in no hurry to get it.

good cuz yer gonna need what? 500 jumps
to git it HAHAHAHAHAHA ya fukking non
SCR/SCS sheep

>"D" is not necessary for me at this time,

what a fukking phony! ;)P

Peanut4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 8:58:21 PM11/13/03
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>
>So you've less than 200 jumps, in over two years, and you're
>ready for a wingsuit?
>

laughing,, and yes,, i want to know the name of the distinquished skydiver
individual who sold him this suit--> posted on this NG.
Somebody whisper me his name, i'lll post it. Rev wont tell me, hehehehehe

LORD OF THE SKY

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"Lucky4040" <luck...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> WELLLLLLLLLLLL Treetop you going to give her #??? You going to Rome this
> weekend??

She definitely deserves one Lucky!

Hey Rev, do we have any numbers left for Faye Taylor?

I'll be at Rome early on Saturday,Doll. Look forward to seeing you in the
air!

"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY


Lucky4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 11:54:36 PM11/13/03
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>New rule on D's kicks in and your'e gonna think sheer...Ya might even
>acidently
>git the SCS before the D now heh heh ha ha ho ho snerk o~;)P
>
>
> "Fit Via Vi"
> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

he prbabably will and then some,,don't need no stinkin "D"
lucky

Lucky4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 11:57:33 PM11/13/03
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> Do be there, guys. My Dad's coming to town, and he enjoys a day
>at the DZ, and I don't intend to let him down. Most likely Saturday,
>weather permitting. I want to get in on that horny gorilla, Lucky!!!
>
>Cheers,
>Jon
>FL #28
>
>
>
>
>
>cheers yeti man,,we are planning on being there,,u are god i can't remember
what my FL # is,,,Rev keeper of the #'s what is my #??


Lucky4040

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Nov 13, 2003, 11:59:38 PM11/13/03
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>jeeeseee,, you guys are as bad as those boyz from SEMO,, She aint getting in
>no horny gorilla till she has had 50 skydives at least. No-, No, and LLLL NO

snickers i got my "A" lic i guessin that qualifies my for a horney
gorilla,,WAHOO..gotta find me a full face helmet,,grinn

Lucky4040

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Nov 14, 2003, 12:24:21 AM11/14/03
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> Hey Rev, do we have any numbers left for Faye Taylor?
>
> I'll be at Rome early on Saturday,Doll. Look forward to seeing you in the
>air!
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
>
smiles,,,bought time u give her a #,,guess everyone still arguing about the
rev's other # but,, while they are hashing it out i think the rev could do with
another #,,chitt ifin one can git # for new gloves,,think the rev can git
nother # for uhhh,,chitt lost my train of thought..ya know what i mean..see ya
this weekend..and iffin it really cold u keep close..wink

Capt. hook

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Nov 14, 2003, 4:52:17 AM11/14/03
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>New rule on D's kicks in and your'e >gonna think sheer...Ya might even
>>acidently
>>git the SCS before the D now heh heh ha ha ho ho snerk o~;)P
>>
>>
>>"Fit Via Vi"
>>
>he prbabably will and then some,,don't >need no stinkin "D"
>lucky
>
>
yuh.....well nutman won't even let yew join the USPA will he? Vain little
twerps like the Rev are another story...No matter how high, it will be lower
than someones/someday the number will mean a lot to the little cityboy ;)P

Rev Jim

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Jerry K.

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Nov 14, 2003, 2:50:11 PM11/14/03
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Numbers may have meant a lot to you but these days it comes down to
experience and ability which, as far as the sport is concerned, is the
barometer of legitimacy.

...bsrp
...jlk

Capt. hook

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Nov 14, 2003, 3:05:50 PM11/14/03
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>New rule on D's kicks in and your'e >gonna think sheer...Ya might even
>acidently git the SCS before the D now >heh heh ha ha ho ho snerk o~;)P

>Numbers may have meant a lot to you >but these days it comes down to
>experience and ability

the number didn't mean shit but the D itself
did...it wuz a bitch for big ole clumsy Static Liners to git, that made it
worth while plus ya cud move freely and git into
any boogie...nobody gave ya much shit back then, they were just glad to have
another fun jumper around...D or not, we were more of a family than yawl are,
yawl
seem to be a buncha AFF fuk yer buddys
and tattle tales to me. o~;)P
"Fit Via Vi"
Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche

Jerry K.

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Nov 14, 2003, 4:10:06 PM11/14/03
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On 14 Nov 2003 20:05:50 GMT, to...@aol.com (Capt. hook) wrote:

>>New rule on D's kicks in and your'e >gonna think sheer...Ya might even
>>acidently git the SCS before the D now >heh heh ha ha ho ho snerk o~;)P
>
>>Numbers may have meant a lot to you >but these days it comes down to
>>experience and ability
>
>the number didn't mean shit but the D itself
>did...

The D can mean many things (nevermind we were talking about D number
equating to relative legitimacy) but included in those many things,
and less common than it used to be, is the blowhard idiot who because
he now has a D, like so many of his betters, somehow assumes himself
the be all and know all about all - which, of course, is hardly
accurate.

>it wuz a bitch for big ole clumsy Static Liners to git,

It's not easy for anyone but that said, not impossible nor is it any,
in of itself, badge of complete mastery, legitmacy, or even knowledge.

>that made it
>worth while plus ya cud move freely and git into
>any boogie...

It's worthwhile to get just like any other hard fought goal, as well
as usefull in gaining entrance into competition - still, possession
does not ever equate to some retarded, caste conscious supposition
that because one has while another does not automatically equates to
one being better or worse, legitmate or less legitimate than any
other. Skill and experience.

>nobody gave ya much shit back then,

Which contradicts earlier statement you've often made about the
"old-timers" constantly giving the newer jumpers a lot of shit. Geez
- you should read your own press releases before you start your
blathering in one direction or another.

>they were just glad to have
>another fun jumper around...D or not,

Yeah, and in your world you imagine boogies, dz's, where and whenever
skydiving is going on now, comes the D license possession question
when it is still very true - it's good to have another fun jumper
around.

>we were more of a family than yawl are,
>yawl

So you say, but you base this contention on being years out of the
sport so you really have no idea whatsoever about what really is going
on a dropzones and how much of a "family," one way or the other,
places might be and skydivers are.

>seem to be a buncha AFF fuk yer buddys
>and tattle tales to me. o~;)P

Yeah, well - if you were at dropzones you would know for sure as
opposed to concluding that things "seem" to be.

...bsrp
...jlk

Capt. hook

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>New rule on D's kicks in and your'e >gonna think sheer Rev heh heh ha ha ho
>ho snerk o~;)P

>Numbers may have meant a lot to you >but these days it comes down to
>experience and ability

>the number didn't mean shit but the D >itself did...it ment freedom to the
Gypsy
Jumpers...I traveled a Texas trail like a cattle drive. Leauge City, Anuach,
Beaumont, LLC, SDSM, SDD....this spread the pissed off people problems out.
Skydivers in the real world have mostly short attention spans Slick huh?

>plus it wuz a bitch for big ole clumsy >Static Liners to git, No waviers back
then like they have for the whiners now.

> git into any boogie...yes the D was worth having, it represented freedom more
than the other 3 and that E? Sucked cuz like the AFF & TM/JM endorcement's it
was about money and made you a total whore...not the thing for a fun jumper to
have ;)

>It's worthwhile to get just like any other >hard fought goal


actually its all in the head plus airtime airtime airtime....shit it seems hard
but shit just snaps in around 170 jumps even if your a late bloomer....gitting
shit on as a novice is a skydiving right of passage and make ya stronger
mentally...What the RW
gods don't tell ya is "everybody sucks in the beginning, don't feel bad about
it."
Just relax and have fun....a lotta skydivers loose sight of the fact its about
fun, fuk kid
its your nickle have a ball.

>nobody gave ya much shit back then,
>
>Which contradicts earlier statement >you've often made about the
>"old-timers" constantly giving the newer >jumpers a lot of shit.


they were teaching like they got taught is all....ya kin't have a buncha titty
babys
wandering around the formation...they gotta fish or cut bait...most of the
blocks are mental anyway and theirs always gonna be a certain amount of
assholes playing head games around a dz... thats just the city way doode.


>Geez you should read your own press >releases before you start your


>blathering in one direction or another.

well hell I never realized I had a one man fan club keeping notes out there
kid, hell I ain't perfect....just better than you USPA2000 types o~;)P

Lucky4040

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>I'll be at Rome early on Saturday,Doll. Look forward to seeing you in the
>air!
>
> "Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
>
>WE gonna miss u this weekend..after struggling all day getting the DOG HOUSE
ready t go and then getting call from sandor saying that frank was nt going to
be there(he has our rigs) we decided to wait till next weekend and we will
definately will be there..have a great weekend<hug)

liv 2 luv
luv 2 liv
lucky SUMMOOOO 1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Dave Miller

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Capt. hook said:

> the number didn't mean shit but the D itself did...


Funny, if you were still jumping, you probably wouldn't have enuogh jumps to
have a D.


> it wuz a bitch for big ole clumsy Static Liners to git


You shouldn't concern yourself with static liners AFF boy.


> nobody gave ya much shit back then,


Back when, way back in the 90's when you were a jumper? Tell us all again
how you invented skydiving... please.


> D or not, we were more of a family than yawl are,


Read the news group old man, there is more care and concern than in a lot of
families I know.


Dave Miller

JimBo

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>Subject: Re: fancy lad #
>From: "Dave Miller" dav...@nni.com

>> D or not, we were more of a family than yawl are,

After he says in the past...he didnt party with the folks on the dz.....hung by
hisself out under the big ole tree......banged pots and pans to wake up the
drunk "family"
They were more of a family then....but you werent part of it.

Jim D-10154

Capt. hook

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>Capt. hook said:
>
>> the number didn't mean shit but the D itself did...
>
>
>Funny, if you were still jumping, you >probably wouldn't have enuogh jumps to
>have a D.

and you would be wrong...You shouldn't concern yourself with static liners AFF
boy.
>

> D or not, we were more of a family than yawl are,
>

>Read the news group old man, there is >more care and concern than in a lot of
>families I know.
>
>
>Dave Miller

you don't have the ability to read between the lines I see...no matter its
always been a rather dysfunctional family at best...we were just fewer and
considered fringe element thereby forced to stick together
Just like family gatherings at Thanksgiving
theres always some kind of power struggle going on...Even old Bob Sinclare
liked to sign with a number other than his D which was pretty damn low. I asked
him why once out at Waller. "Ah they fucked me on my D number!" ;->

Capt. hook

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>D or not, we were more of a family than >yawl are,
>
>After he says in the past...he didnt party with the folks on the dz.....hung
>by
>hisself out under the big ole tree......banged pots and pans to wake up the
>drunk "family"
>They were more of a family then....but you werent part of it.
>
>Jim D-10154
>

Party jumpers? nope I wuzzn't part of that family, they delayed first loads and
skipped last loads to hog the best beer, not serious fun jumpers imho and by
the way their were quite a few tree packers...
I wuzzn't alone out there...the pots and pans were a git even tactic plus I
just flat like to fuk with youngsters...I'd drink a couple of beers and be in
bed by 2200 and here cums the young hoot owls rolling in from the Hill at 3 in
the morning waking my old butt up...Its always been my habit to get up before
daybreak but not at 0300. ;)P

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Capt. hook said:

>>Funny, if you were still jumping, you >probably wouldn't have enuogh jumps
to
>>have a D.

>and you would be wrong...


I think the rev is out pacing you in number of jumps per year... by a lot.


> you don't have the ability to read between the lines I see...no matter its
> always been a rather dysfunctional family at best...we were just fewer and
> considered fringe element thereby forced to stick together


Stop saying we, you weren't there. When Jimbo said

"he didn't party with the folks on the dz.....hung by


hisself out under the big ole tree......banged pots and pans to wake up the

drunk "family"".

You weren't there in the "old days" and when you did come along, you
separated yourself from the family.

Dave Miller


Dave Miller

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Capt. hook said:
>
> what a fukking phony! ;)P

Hey David Ferree, where are you with an irony score?

Dave Miller


Tom B

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"Mike Spurgeon" <mi...@spurgeon.net> wrote in message
news:cfWsb.509$Zy6.28...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...

Ignoring the current discussion for a moment, does anybody here have data to
accurately compare the difference in risk from a camera jump and a board or
wing suit jump? If so, please post it.

Tom B
>


Jerry K.

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Nov 15, 2003, 12:46:04 AM11/15/03
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On 14 Nov 2003 22:08:12 GMT, to...@aol.com (Capt. hook) wrote:

>>New rule on D's kicks in and your'e >gonna think sheer Rev heh heh ha ha ho
>>ho snerk o~;)P
>
>>Numbers may have meant a lot to you >but these days it comes down to
>>experience and ability
>
>>the number didn't mean shit but the D >itself did...

And I say the D, while not meaning nothing, means far less than the
stock you place in it.

>t ment freedom to the
>Gypsy
>Jumpers...I traveled a Texas trail like a cattle drive. Leauge City, Anuach,
>Beaumont, LLC, SDSM, SDD....this spread the pissed off people problems out.
>Skydivers in the real world have mostly short attention spans Slick huh?


Hmmm...all USPA dz's it appears. How 'bout that? Hell, you coulda
done all that with an A.


>
>
>
>>plus it wuz a bitch for big ole clumsy >Static Liners to git, No waviers back
>then like they have for the whiners now.
>
>> git into any boogie...yes the D was worth having, it represented freedom more
>than the other 3 and that E? Sucked cuz like the AFF & TM/JM endorcement's it
>was about money and made you a total whore...not the thing for a fun jumper to
>have ;)
>
>
>
>>It's worthwhile to get just like any other >hard fought goal
>
>
>actually its all in the head plus airtime airtime airtime....

Yeah, like I been saying - you got yourself a D and in your head you
somehow magically remained a less than master skydiver, despite what
it said on the card.

>shit it seems hard
>but shit just snaps in around 170 jumps even if your a late bloomer....

Yeah, like taking half those jumps just learning how to stand up a
landing. <snerk>

>gitting
>shit on as a novice is a skydiving right of passage and make ya stronger
>mentally...

So, this "rite of passage" by your very words didn't happen much back
then.

>What the RW
>gods don't tell ya is "everybody sucks in the beginning, don't feel bad about
>it."

Actually, they do.

>Just relax and have fun....a lotta skydivers loose sight of the fact its about
>fun, fuk kid
>its your nickle have a ball.

It's a fair distance from a dz that imagines that what you have
written above is not ever said today.

>
>>nobody gave ya much shit back then,
>>
>>Which contradicts earlier statement >you've often made about the
>>"old-timers" constantly giving the newer >jumpers a lot of shit.
>
>
>they were teaching like they got taught is all....

So, they either gave shit or they didn't - you've suggested both. I
was there in the "outlaw" 90's (which it wasn't - the one's I know
from before attest to that) and shit was handed out - just as it is
now. That hasn't changed - human nature - but that part of skydiving
also pleases you to imagine as being gone when of course, it's still
there.

>ya kin't have a buncha titty
>babys
>wandering around the formation...they gotta fish or cut bait...

Sure you can - it's part of the learning process - you just can't have
it from the same people over and over.

>most of the
>blocks are mental anyway and theirs always gonna be a certain amount of
>assholes playing head games around a dz... thats just the city way doode.

Heh - and I suppose people giving others shit back then because they
flew less than their capability wasn't some sort of head game back
then - especially when it came to the blocks which you just suggested
were mental anyway.

>
>>Geez you should read your own press >releases before you start your
>>blathering in one direction or another.
>
>well hell I never realized I had a one man fan club keeping notes out there kid,

Notes, hell - I just got a memory is all.

>hell I ain't perfect....

Few are but I'll remember that statement too.

>just better than you USPA2000 types

Ah, well - so you say. Stand up any landings recently?

...bsrp
...jlk

Jerry K.

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Nov 15, 2003, 12:59:19 AM11/15/03
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On 15 Nov 2003 03:21:23 GMT, to...@aol.com (Capt. hook) wrote:

>>D or not, we were more of a family than >yawl are,
>>
>>After he says in the past...he didnt party with the folks on the dz.....hung
>>by
>>hisself out under the big ole tree......banged pots and pans to wake up the
>>drunk "family"
>>They were more of a family then....but you werent part of it.
>>
>>Jim D-10154
>>
>
>Party jumpers? nope I wuzzn't part of that family,

Heh - I'm suspecting your family tree looks like a stump.

>they delayed first loads and
>skipped last loads to hog the best beer,

What, they were chugging the good beer before load one? What a bitch!

>not serious fun jumpers imho

Serious fun jumpers. Stay serious! This is fun! Pay no attention to
the contradiction! You! Is that a frown!?

>and by
>the way their were quite a few tree packers...
>I wuzzn't alone out there...

But I think you were probably the only one packing outside for purely
political reasons.

>the pots and pans were a git even tactic plus I
>just flat like to fuk with youngsters...

Do you imagine that maybe those jumpers were drinking up the beer and
delaying the loads as some sort of get even tactic of their own?

Hmmm...

"This'll piss off that dumbass - hey, run that landing of his again!
Turn it up! I wanna hear the impact! There-twice. That ain't no
echo. See the dust? Shit too funny!!!"

>I'd drink a couple of beers and be in
>bed by 2200 and here cums the young hoot owls rolling in from the Hill at 3 in
>the morning waking my old butt up...Its always been my habit to get up before
>daybreak but not at 0300.

You want quiet - sleep in a Holiday Inn or wear earplugs. You sleep
in the packing area of a dz, you get what you get.

...bsrp
...jlk

Lucky4040

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>and you would be wrong...You shouldn't concern yourself with static liners
>AFF
>boy.

don't git static liners cnfused with AFF
SUMMO 1

ynotssor

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"Tom B" <d16...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ... does anybody here have data to accurately compare


> the difference in risk from a camera jump and a board or
> wing suit jump? If so, please post it.

Yes, the fall rate is substantially slower in a wingsuit, so one is more
likely to remain intact after impact.

(Yes, I'm a poet, and I know it, right down to my feet ... they're long
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Capt. hook

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>"he didn't party with the folks on the dz..

I was there to jump, not party

>You weren't there in the "old days"
>

I clearly stated the 90's, that would be the old days for you tenny boppers.

>when you did come along, you
>separated yourself from the family.
>
>Dave Miller
>

apparently you don't understand cult dynamics kid...prolly cuz yer a follower

Capt. hook

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>Hmmm...all USPA dz's it appears. How >'bout that? Hell, you coulda
>done all that with an A.

not back then in this part of Texas plus
the boogie rules knocked A's and B's outta
all the best jumps...like 24/5's...nah at the time a D was the pass to have ;)P

Capt. hook

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>the pots and pans were a git even tactic >plus I just flat like to fuk with
youngsters...

>I'd drink a couple of beers and be in


>>bed by 2200 and here cums the young hoot owls rolling in from the Hill at 3
>in the morning

>You want quiet - sleep in a Holiday Inn or wear earplugs. You sleep


>in the packing area of a dz, you get what >you get.

actually I slept outside under the tree's on my packing tarp..or in a old 76
Ventura SJ I had converted to a dz car by ripping the right bucket and back
seat out so beating on the pots and pans at daybreak wuz just a mean old man
thing... o~;->

Tom B

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"ynotssor" <"ynotssor"> wrote in message
news:3fb5e...@corp.newsgroups.com...

> "Tom B" <d16...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:olhtb.5470$uw5...@fe2.columbus.rr.com
>
> > ... does anybody here have data to accurately compare
> > the difference in risk from a camera jump and a board or
> > wing suit jump? If so, please post it.
>
> Yes, the fall rate is substantially slower in a wingsuit, so one is more
> likely to remain intact after impact.

Thanks, I will try to keep that in mind.... :)
Actually I was looking for some numbers to show some 50 jump wonders that a
camera is not such a good idea for them yet.

Tom

Jerry K.

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Nov 15, 2003, 2:51:48 PM11/15/03
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On 15 Nov 2003 15:04:35 GMT, to...@aol.com (Capt. hook) wrote:

>>Hmmm...all USPA dz's it appears. How >'bout that? Hell, you coulda
>>done all that with an A.
>
>not back then in this part of Texas plus
>the boogie rules knocked A's and B's outta
>all the best jumps...like 24/5's...nah at the time a D was the pass to have ;)P

What this part of Texas? I mean, Texas is a pretty large state, you
know.

But what happened to the whole concept that people were just happy
that there were people there to jump - license notwithstanding and,
for that matter, what happened to a jump is a jump, no matter the
jump, and what's this anal attitude "best jump" line - especially when
you promised more than you could deliver?

Is it possible that you angled for the D in the (misguided) hope that
people would give you any less shit than you already had coming?

Oh, wait - the revered "rite of passage" of giving people shit didn't
happen much back in the "outlaw" 90's, eh?

...bsrp
...jlk

Jerry K.

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Nov 15, 2003, 2:51:53 PM11/15/03
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On 15 Nov 2003 15:00:47 GMT, to...@aol.com (Capt. hook) wrote:

>>"he didn't party with the folks on the dz..
>
>I was there to jump, not party

And to fuck with other people and politically posture, mustn't forget
that.

>
>>You weren't there in the "old days"
>>
>
>I clearly stated the 90's, that would be the old days for you tenny boppers.

The 90's were only less than four years ago. Sure, there are people
who've been jumping less than that time but I would say that there's a
good amount who have been jumping longer.

>
>>when you did come along, you
>>separated yourself from the family.
>>
>>Dave Miller
>>
>
>apparently you don't understand cult dynamics kid...prolly cuz yer a follower

And what were you with your uspa membership, your pursuit of cult
status, and your participation in the cult's activities? A leader?
Hell, you didn't even have a rating. What were you, a dzo? A
director? Or were you just someone who didn't have what it took to
remain in the cult?

...bsrp
...jlk

Jerry K.

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Nov 15, 2003, 2:51:50 PM11/15/03
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On 15 Nov 2003 15:11:38 GMT, to...@aol.com (Capt. hook) wrote:

>>the pots and pans were a git even tactic >plus I just flat like to fuk with
>youngsters...
>
>>I'd drink a couple of beers and be in
>>>bed by 2200 and here cums the young hoot owls rolling in from the Hill at 3
>>in the morning
>
>>You want quiet - sleep in a Holiday Inn or wear earplugs. You sleep
>>in the packing area of a dz, you get what >you get.
>
>actually I slept outside under the tree's on my packing tarp..or in a old 76
>Ventura SJ I had converted to a dz car by ripping the right bucket and back
>seat out


Okay - I'll add the addendum: you sleep in a parking lot on a
dropzone (or anywhere on a dropzone), you get what you get. Don't be
a victim.

>so beating on the pots and pans at daybreak wuz just a mean old man
>thing...

A mean old man *attention getting* thing, you mean.

...bsrp
...jlk

Peanut4040

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Nov 16, 2003, 10:26:02 PM11/16/03
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>
>Thanks, I will try to keep that in mind.... :)
>Actually I was looking for some numbers to show some 50 jump wonders that a
>camera is not such a good idea for them yet.

Thanks, AND can you throw in some stuff about a 150 jump wonders switching over
to bird man suits. --My illigimate child is growing up and --->crazy on me.

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