Tandem Passengers and Skydivers
Kevin Keenan
It seems that there are sometimes negative results from having tandem
passengers exposed to "normal" jumpers. I know that there must be
extremes in both directions. There are jumpers who go out of their way
to gross out or scare tandems, and there are TMs and DZOs who are very
sensitive to the tandems' feelings.
My question to jumpers and TMs is this. Has anyone experienced any
problems from either extreme of these cases ?
kevin
D16842
>There are jumpers who go out of their way
>to gross out or scare tandems, and there are TMs and DZOs who are very
>sensitive to the tandems' feelings.
>
>My question to jumpers and TMs is this. Has anyone experienced any
>problems from either extreme of these cases ?
>
>kevin
For the most part, the razzing of tandem students is well received. They are
doing a "crazy" once in a life time thing, and I think they expect us to be
crazy as well.
A couple of times I have seen the students were on overload and couldn't deal
with it. The TM's and other skydivers noticed and calmed things down.
Tom B
Jim Bozarth
>From: Kevin Keenan kke...@atlantic.net
>My question to jumpers and TMs is this. Has anyone experienced any
>problems from either extreme of these cases ?
In all my years as a TM , I cant remember anyone overtly trying to gross out or
scare one of my passengers. I wouldnt have put up with it anyway.
A little kidding by the experience jumpers is ok....as a rule they know when to
stop.
,,
jim
D-10154
TM/I
GW
DW
kr...@philly.infi.net
time tandem student by scaring the shit out of them is not merely the
mark of an inconsiderate skydiver. Rather, it goes above that. Such
behavior is the trademark of an insensitive and rude human being.
Thank God I've never seen anyone on a dz act in such a childish manner
... and I hope I never do.
Blue skies!
--rita
In article <397129D1...@atlantic.net>,
Kevin Keenan <kke...@atlantic.net> wrote:
> Here's a thread that may be worth some discussion.
>
> It seems that there are sometimes negative results from having tandem
> passengers exposed to "normal" jumpers. I know that there must be
> extremes in both directions. There are jumpers who go out of their
way
> to gross out or scare tandems, and there are TMs and DZOs who are very
> sensitive to the tandems' feelings.
>
> My question to jumpers and TMs is this. Has anyone experienced any
> problems from either extreme of these cases ?
>
> kevin
>
>
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Rhonda Baker
2 weeks ago my sister and a cousin made their first tandem jumps. Prior to
the jump, my fiancee and I showed them video of he and I jumping plus the
Quincy 99 Video, Mike McGowan's videos, Chronicle III, etc. so that they
would get a good idea what it would be like and what could happen. The day
of the jump, we jumped twice before them and they watched us open and
land. They didn't get to jump until past 1pm so it really put their mind
at ease to watch other jumpers land over and over again with no problems.
They were both very calm (and also somewhat bored from waiting) when they
boarded the plane and just couldn't wait to experience it for themselves.
They each experienced perfect jumps and beautiful stand-up landings and now
my cousin is hooked for life. I swear she had a better arch then I have
even now!
I think it greatly benefitted them to get a little exposure to the sport
from experienced jumpers before jumping. When I made my first tandem, I
had no clue what to expect and when they showed me a sample tandem video my
mind was just in a blur...I was so scared that I kept my eyes shut during
the entire freefall and it took me a year to do it again!
Rhonda
The slick old Coyote
whines:
>the
>mark of an inconsiderate skydiver. Rather, it goes above that. Such
>behavior is the trademark of an insensitive and rude human being
> Kevin Keenan <kke...@atlantic.net> wrote:
>> Here's a thread that may be worth some discussion. It seems that there are
sometimes negative results from having tandem
>> passengers exposed to "normal" jumpers. I know that there must be
>> extremes in both directions. There are jumpers who go out of their
>way to gross out or scare tandems, and there are TMs and DZOs who are very
>> sensitive to the tandems' feelings.
>>
>> kevin
>>
Whoaaaaa a mainstreamer that doesn't understand what its all about! Mean
skydivers? Nah they just want to share the full experiance with the wuffo's
that got balls enuff to climb aboard. Pilots even like to git involved, When my
daughter was 11 she started packing to checkpoints for me. As a reward she got
an observers ride at 13. It wuz at SDSM, she's in a pilots emergency rig with a
round after ground training all morning & seeing the T-bo burried nose down at
the entrance then hearing the story of the 80 year old wuffo lady that had to
bail the week before. We exit, the pilot looks at her and sez "So, ever flown
before?" "nnnnnno." He rolls the twin over and dives. HAHAHAHAHA....... I
tipped him for that. Now my point is if skydivers will do that to their own
kids, What chance does a Tandem dummy have? ANSWER: none!! :-* snuffy
RULE #1 PULL AT ALTITUDE!!!
pratice emergency proceedures
DON'T WORRY BE READY! :)
ohm ohm ohm
jim
Povl H. Pedersen
>Here's a thread that may be worth some discussion.
>
>problems from either extreme of these cases ?
Nope, but a local first jump tandem passenger got real scared yesterday,
as the pilot (who knew him up front) really kicked the plane around
just before jumprun. It was enough to also make me feel a little dizzy,
but it was gone again by the time the door opened.
Also been at another DZ where the TM asked the pilot to do a little
acrobatics in the C-182. This passenger had no trouble though.
graham1352
consisted of mostly very fast flat spins,first CW,thenCCW. I
absolutely loved it,and thanked my TM for the "little extra".Although
I'm sure he was probably just trying to add a little scare to the
experience. I can't wait to go again. YeeHaw
Ben
freeflyer
>
> Also been at another DZ where the TM asked the pilot to do a little
> acrobatics in the C-182. This passenger had no trouble though.
We did the same thing here. Not a lot of acrobatics, just a
short zero-G dive. The tandem passenger turned into a slight
shade of grey and proceded to throw up inside the plane. The
door was opened and he continued to throw up out of the
door. Upon the question "Do you want to go back down?" the
response was very clear "Nope. I didn't get this far just to
let an upset stomach stop me!". The freefall and canopy ride
was pretty uneventful, but he was laying on the ground
blowing chunks for about 15 minutes after they had landed.
Talk about grossing out the experienced jumpers :o)
Espen
ALF#1
TY
was just the opposite. Everyone at the DZ went out of their way to help me
out. I was EXTREMELY nervous and it was quite apparent to everyone there.
The staff, especially my video man, was very sensitive to my needs and
helped me get myself mentally ready to jump. A bunch of the experienced
skydivers gave me encouragement and thumb's ups and winks and smiles
beforehand and afterwards seemed almost as excited for me as I was! It was
a wondeful feeling and I'll never forget it. Felt like one big, crazy
family and was part of what drew me back for more!!
blues,
TY
Kevin Keenan wrote:
> Here's a thread that may be worth some discussion.
>
> It seems that there are sometimes negative results from having tandem
> passengers exposed to "normal" jumpers. I know that there must be
> extremes in both directions. There are jumpers who go out of their way
> to gross out or scare tandems, and there are TMs and DZOs who are very
> sensitive to the tandems' feelings.
>
> My question to jumpers and TMs is this. Has anyone experienced any
> problems from either extreme of these cases ?
>
> kevin
bil...@qualcomm.com
freeflyer <free...@start.no> wrote:
> "Povl H. Pedersen" wrote:
> >
> > Also been at another DZ where the TM asked the pilot to do a little
> > acrobatics in the C-182. This passenger had no trouble though.
>
> We did the same thing here. Not a lot of acrobatics, just a
> short zero-G dive. The tandem passenger turned into a slight
> shade of grey and proceded to throw up inside the plane.
i have found that aerobatics and students often don't mix. even
when you ask them, they a) don't know what it entails and b) often are
unwilling to say no, since they have psyched themselves up to _not_ say
no to jumping.
though those zero-g parabolas in the king air were awesome - we
could get 15 seconds easily, enough time to toss dave nagy to the front
of the plane and haul him back again. this was on an experienced jumper
only load, for the above reasons.
-bill von
kr...@philly.infi.net
Tell me, did she ever go up in the airplane again? :)
Blue ones!
--rita
In article <20000716104256...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
Alan Binnebose
now at 16 she is a SL grad. Snuffy would be glad to know she had the option
to do AFF. She chose SL. Smart kid. She is one of the true.
--
Blue Skies,
Alan Binnebose D17868
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LOL ... I was an "adventuresome" kid ... but I doubt I'd have had the
"balls" at 14 to take a ride with Mullins. :)
Blue ones!
--rita
In article <8IKc5.367808$VR.53...@news5.giganews.com>,
freeflyer
>
> > We did the same thing here. Not a lot of acrobatics, just a
> > short zero-G dive. The tandem passenger turned into a slight
> > shade of grey and proceded to throw up inside the plane.
>
> i have found that aerobatics and students often don't mix. even
> when you ask them, they a) don't know what it entails and b) often are
> unwilling to say no, since they have psyched themselves up to _not_ say
> no to jumping.
Some clarification here. The pilot didn't pull off a lot of
stunts for a minute or two. He pulled one zero-g that lasted
less than three seconds. It should have been just enough to
make the student feel some butterflies. The people in the
plane didn't know that the passenger (they're not "students"
in Norway IMO) had a history of motion sickness.
But I agree with you, aerobatics and tandem passengers or
first time students usually don't mix very well. It's not
done too often at my dz either.
> though those zero-g parabolas in the king air were awesome - we
> could get 15 seconds easily, enough time to toss dave nagy to the front
> of the plane and haul him back again. this was on an experienced jumper
> only load, for the above reasons.
Now that sounds like a blast!
Espen
ALF#1
Rita
Trust me, the pilot will be retching before I will. :)
Blue skies!
--rita