Silent Night -> Holy Night -> Happy Holy Day -> Merry CHRISTmas :-)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was
lying in the manger." (Luke 2*16)
This manger that held the bably Jesus reminds us that there is one
right amount (2*16 = 32 oz) of food because we fill a manger to a
level that we learn corresponds to the right amount of grain for our
animals:
"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage;
they will be like the angels in Heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Mk
12/25)
Yes, Jesus is the way (John 14:6) to both spiritual (John 3:16) and
physical (Matthew 14:30) salvation. While the former is unconditional
the latter salvation requires obedience.
Obedience is being mindful of WDJW **and** doing what He wants:
"Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city
or household divided against itself will not stand." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Mt 12/25)
Yes, Jesus is the truth (John 14:6) Whose Word is sharper than a
double-edged sword cutting off all things not belonging to GOD. It is
when we are mindful of WDJW **and** are doing what He wants that we
are not cut off from Him and thus remain part of His Kingdom here on
Earth.
"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?" -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Lk 12/25)
Yes, Jesus is the life (John 14:6) and gives life abundantly to those
of us who are mindful of WDJW **and** are doing what He wants.
"The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his
life in this world will keep it for eternal life." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Jn 12/25)
Yes, it is when we are mindful of WDJW **and** are doing what He
wants, which includes loving Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and
strength, that He is willing to also save our body, which includes our
mind with its treasured memories of life in this world:
"LORD save me!" (Matthew 14:30)
"Holy is His Name." (Luke 1:49)
Amen.
December 25th, which is Christmas, is the Holy Day ...
... because it is His Birthday ...
... in remembrance of the day of the birth ...
... of the truth, Who is Jesus:
How do we know this?
Solus Scriptura cum Spiritus Sancti:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ba49e2dea6e14c58?
"In the sixth month, GOD sent the Angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in
Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a
descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The Angel went to her
and said, 'Greetings, you who are highly favored! The LORD is with
you.'" (Luke 1:26-28)
And, at the moment of the latter words being spoken (Matthew 1:23),
Jesus (Immanuel, which means the LORD is with us) was conceived in the
sixth month of the geological Hebrew lunar calendar which is numbered
starting with Tisri after Rosh Hashanah. This latter geological Hebrew
sixth month is the third month of our present-day solar calendar. Nine
months later for a full term pregnancy does place Jesus' birthday in
the current month of December!
The geological Hebrew lunar calendar beginning in Fall signifies our
fall into sin as described in Genesis, the Holy Day being in the dead
of Winter signifies our being dead in sin prior to Jesus' birth, and
Resurrection Sunday being in Spring signifies our being reborn
(Jn3:3&5) as new creatures in Christ Jesus with a new heart & spirit
(Ez11:19-20&36:26).
"Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city
or household divided against itself will not stand." -- Jesus
predicting the fall of every kingdom with the coming of His Kingdom
here on Earth (Mt 12/25)
Amen.
"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage;
they will be like the angels in heaven." -- Jesus again predicting the
rise of His Everlasting Kingdom here on Earth (Mk 12/25)
Amen.
"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?" -- Jesus
delivering His peace, which surpasses all worldly understanding (Lk
12/25)
Amen.
"The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his
life in this world will keep it for eternal life." -- Jesus delivering
His promise of eternal life for those who belong to Him and are thus
no longer of this world (Jn 12/25)
Amen.
Jesus is LORD!
And, His Birthday is the 25th of December!
Happy Birthday to Jesus!
Merry Christmas!
"Holy is His Name." (Luke 1:49)
Amen.
Happy Holy Day!
LORD Jesus Christ says "you are My friends if you do what I
command"(John 15:14) and "if you love Me, you will obey what I
command."(John 14:15)
The LORD commands His disciples, who are mindful of WDJW and are doing
what He wants, to "love each other as I have loved you."(John 15:12)
The LORD teaches "greater love has no one than this, that he lay down
his life for his friends."(John 15:13)
This is how we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile),
should love one another. We should be willing to die for each other
because our LORD has been willing to die for each of us and indeed has
died for each of us so that we may have eternal life.(John 3:16)
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD."(Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
life in remembrance of the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f882137d4e2858d8?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1
Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
GreatSageItchy
Chung, MD/PhD <ach...@emory.edu> wrote:
> Merry CHRISTmas and Happy Holy Day :-) Shalom :-)
FUCK YOU, YOU SPAMMING ASSHOLE. FUCK YOUR PHONY PIETY, FUCK THE PHONY
GOD YOU PRETEND TO WORSHIP, AND MOST OF ALL, FUCK THE JESUS YOU ALSO
PRETEND TO WORSHIP. FUCK HIM IN THE ASS, ANDREW. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.
Joseph H.
> Merry CHRISTmas and Happy Holy Day :-) Shalom :-)
>
> "So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was
> lying in the manger." (Luke 2*16)
>
> This manger that held the bably Jesus reminds us that there is one
> right amount (2*16 = 32 oz)
Onces did not exist at that time. Funny...
pegleg
wrote:
Pegleg:
You are mistaken or deceived, christmas is NOT a Holy Day.....ask any
Jew. The Holy Days were
given to Israel long before the birth of Christ.
> Cor12:3)http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
>
> What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Rod
> Merry CHRISTmas and Happy Holy Day :-) Shalom :-)
>
> "So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was
> lying in the manger." (Luke 2*16)
>
> This manger that held the bably Jesus reminds us that there is one
> right amount (2*16 = 32 oz) of food because we fill a manger to a
> level that we learn corresponds to the right amount of grain for our
> animals:
>
> http://WDJW.net/Parable
>
Have a wonderful christmas Andrew!
rod
>
> "So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was
> lying in the manger." (Luke 2*16)
>
> This manger that held the bably Jesus reminds us that there is one
> right amount (2*16 = 32 oz) of food because we fill a manger to a
> level that we learn corresponds to the right amount of grain for our
> animals:
>
> http://WDJW.net/Parable
>
Have a merry christmas Andrew!
Jimmy Alpha
sightwalker makes it up as he goes,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> Jimmy Alpha wrote:
>
>>>>http://T3WiJ.com
>>>>
>>>>Amen.
>>>
>>> Not a lie ...
>>
>> Indeed, Jesus is the truth (John 14:6).
>>
>>>... sightwalker.
>>
>> Lie.
>>
>> This licensed and board-certified cardiologist, who is actively seeing
>> patients like MU, would not be able to say "Jesus is LORD" as you have
>> witnessed firsthand if he were a sightwalker.
>>
>> Why do you choose to continue to sin by lying, Jimmy?
>
> Outside of being a full blown twit, it's all he's got. a bucket full of
> lies.
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/705accd9e311e8b6?
May Jimmy have the following etched onto his mind:
"Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Jn5:14)
Amen.
... and ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/144a9929eb37ee47?
May GOD bless you, MU, and your household more than ever keeping you
from harm, in Jesus' name. Amen :-) Shalom :-)
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/63d9553d4c7b8f7b?
Jimmy Alpha
mentally deranged sightwalker really must be? Perhaps as sick as another
sick physician, on the order of the US Army Dr. Nidal Malik Hasan or
even Dr. Earl Bradley?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Ken
Board-certified Spammer
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Ken wrote:
>
> > <obscenities snipped by Syd>
>
> I have been gone awhile, but I see things have not changed much. What purpose
> do these same attacks on Dr. Chung serve, repeated over and over? How about
> trying this for awhile: STFU!
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a661d740046cf958?
Syd, let us continue to pray for Ken because only GOD can help him:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/48a6260163715e59?
There are others like you who have also been observing his
psychopathology:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?
Bottom line concerning Ken:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite his irrational efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give Ken a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and
36:26) so that he would be born again of water and Spirit (John 3:3
and 3:5) so that he would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
Ken
Board-certified Spammer
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Schizophrenia can set in at any time but it's usual shows up in early
> adulthood.
>
> I'm predisposed due to my biological maw spending her adult life in a
> hospital as a paranoid schizophrenic before passing in '66
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9b45c529b13d6477?
Only the truth, Who is Jesus, can keep you from becoming more
delusional like your mom was.
There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
psychopathology:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?
Bottom line concerning you, Ken:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?
Truth is reality ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?
... despite your efforts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, Ken, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20
and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John
3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Thommadura
>> Schizophrenia can set in at any time but it's usual shows up in early
>> adulthood.
>>
>> I'm predisposed due to my biological maw spending her adult life in a
>> hospital as a paranoid schizophrenic before passing in '66
>
> Source:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9b45c529b13d6477?
>
> Only the truth, Who is Jesus, can keep you from becoming more
> delusional like your mom was.
Sorry - but the christ is a belief
TRUTH is something that can be PROVEN
ANd YOU and all the other theists of the world have yet to prove any god
exists in a testable and verifiable way that can be repeated by all
regardless of their beliefs.
When YOU call the christ - truth - your a lying - pure and simple.
If you claim otherwise - by all means provide the PROOF
However - theists like you - when asked for proof do one or more of
three things
1 - YOU change the subject
2 - YOu attack the question
3 - YOu attack the questioner
BUT - in doing so - you admit that you have no proof and that your
christ is NOT TRUTH.
QJ
(in article <4b3a06e7$0$5020$607e...@cv.net>):
> Sorry - but the christ is a belief
>
> TRUTH is something that can be PROVEN
>
> ANd YOU and all the other theists of the world have yet to prove any god
> exists in a testable and verifiable way that can be repeated by all
> regardless of their beliefs.
What is true to a scientist and what is true to a person of faith are
different.
What a scientist knows and what a person of faith knows are different.
What a scientist believes and what a person of faith believes are different.
Both may use similar words, but the words have different meanings as many
words do.
ThomM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:26 -0600, Thommadura wrote
>
> > Sorry - but the christ is a belief
>
> > TRUTH is something that can be PROVEN
>
> > ANd YOU and all the other theists of the world have yet to prove any god
> > exists in a testable and verifiable way that can be repeated by all
> > regardless of their beliefs.
>
> What is true to a scientist and what is true to a person of faith are
> different.
Sorry - but that is simply NOT TRUE
THe word TRUTH is a simple english word with a very basic meaning that
can easily be understood by first graders - if not before. Although
apparently NOT by theists
True means to be consistent with FACT and accurate. No statements
about gods or the supernatural aspects of religion have been so
established and they are NOT TRUTH - they are only BELIEF.
If you defined TRUTH as something of faith beleived in - on an English
test - you would FAIL the test.
>
> What a scientist knows and what a person of faith knows are different.
Again - you are wrong
>
> What a scientist believes and what a person of faith believes are different.
TRUE - since you use the word BELIEVE - but is NOT pertinent to the
subject - TRUTH is not BELIEF.
TRUTH is FACTUAL - and things that are not proven to be true are not
established to be truth - period.
> Both may use similar words, but the words have different meanings as many
> words do.
Sorry - but if the word truth meant something that a person of faith
believes -= then ALL of the gods of the world would be true - and all
of the religions of the world would be true - since they were ALL
believed by person's of faith at one time or another.
So - based on YOUR statement -there are over 28 million TRUE gods -
and hundreds of thousands of true religions - simply because people of
faith believe in them.
And since the many religions of the world CONTRADICT each other on
many basic things - that CANNOT be true.
So - again - belief and truth are two different things
and the christ is a belief - not a truth -
QJ
(in article
<2d6a53d0-7787-44ea...@g12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 29, 9:10ï¿œam, QJ <qjmac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:26 -0600, Thommadura wrote
>> (in article <4b3a06e7$0$5020$607ed...@cv.net>):
>>
>>> Sorry - but the christ is a belief
>>
>>> TRUTH is something that can be PROVEN
>>
>>> ANd YOU and all the other theists of the world have yet to prove any god
>>> exists in a testable and verifiable way that can be repeated by all
>>> regardless of their beliefs.
>>
>> What is true to a scientist and what is true to a person of faith are
>> different. ￜ
>
>
> Sorry - but that is simply NOT TRUE
>
> THe word TRUTH is a simple english word with a very basic meaning that
> can easily be understood by first graders - if not before. Although
> apparently NOT by theists
>
> True means to be consistent with FACT and accurate. No statements
> about gods or the supernatural aspects of religion have been so
> established and they are NOT TRUTH - they are only BELIEF.
>
>
> If you defined TRUTH as something of faith beleived in - on an English
> test - you would FAIL the test.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> What a scientist knows and what a person of faith knows are different. ￜ
>
>
> Again - you are wrong
>
>
>>
>> What a scientist believes and what a person of faith believes are different.
>
> TRUE - since you use the word BELIEVE - but is NOT pertinent to the
> subject - TRUTH is not BELIEF.
>
> TRUTH is FACTUAL - and things that are not proven to be true are not
> established to be truth - period.
>
>> Both may use similar words, but the words have different meanings as many
>> words do.
>
>
> Sorry - but if the word truth meant something that a person of faith
> believes -= then ALL of the gods of the world would be true - and all
> of the religions of the world would be true - since they were ALL
> believed by person's of faith at one time or another.
>
> So - based on YOUR statement -there are over 28 million TRUE gods -
> and hundreds of thousands of true religions - simply because people of
> faith believe in them.
>
> And since the many religions of the world CONTRADICT each other on
> many basic things - that CANNOT be true.
>
> So - again - belief and truth are two different things
>
> and the christ is a belief - not a truth -
>
>
>
>
To people of faith, their faith is as true to them as a fact to scientist.
I think in certain parts of the county and world, if you were to ask a first
grader if God did actually exist, many would say yes it was true.
A scientist will never be able to scientifically convince a person of faith
that their beliefs are wrong just as a person of faith will never be able to
convince a non-believer to believe.
It is an argument without end that has been going on for a long long time.
ThomM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:32:34 -0600, ThomM wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 9:10 am, QJ <qjmac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:26 -0600, Thommadura wrote
> >> (in article <4b3a06e7$0$5020$607ed...@cv.net>):
>
> >>> Sorry - but the christ is a belief
>
> >>> TRUTH is something that can be PROVEN
>
> >>> ANd YOU and all the other theists of the world have yet to prove any god
> >>> exists in a testable and verifiable way that can be repeated by all
> >>> regardless of their beliefs.
>
> >> What is true to a scientist and what is true to a person of faith are
> >> different.
>
>
> > THe word TRUTH is a simple english word with a very basic meaning that
> > can easily be understood by first graders - if not before. Although
> > apparently NOT by theists
>
> > True means to be consistent with FACT and accurate. No statements
> > about gods or the supernatural aspects of religion have been so
> > established and they are NOT TRUTH - they are only BELIEF.
>
> > If you defined TRUTH as something of faith beleived in - on an English
> > test - you would FAIL the test.
>
> >> What a scientist knows and what a person of faith knows are different.
>
>
> >> What a scientist believes and what a person of faith believes are different.
>
> > TRUE - since you use the word BELIEVE - but is NOT pertinent to the
> > subject - TRUTH is not BELIEF.
>
> > TRUTH is FACTUAL - and things that are not proven to be true are not
> > established to be truth - period.
>
> >> Both may use similar words, but the words have different meanings as many
> >> words do.
>
> > Sorry - but if the word truth meant something that a person of faith
> > believes -= then ALL of the gods of the world would be true - and all
> > of the religions of the world would be true - since they were ALL
> > believed by person's of faith at one time or another.
>
> > So - based on YOUR statement -there are over 28 million TRUE gods -
> > and hundreds of thousands of true religions - simply because people of
> > faith believe in them.
>
> > And since the many religions of the world CONTRADICT each other on
> > many basic things - that CANNOT be true.
>
> > So - again - belief and truth are two different things
>
> > and the christ is a belief - not a truth -
>
> To people of faith, their faith is as true to them as a fact to scientist.
>
> I think in certain parts of the county and world, if you were to ask a first
> grader if God did actually exist, many would say yes it was true.
> It is an argument without end that has been going on for a long long time.
SO - What YOU are saying is that because Over 1 billion people of
faith believe it - then ISLAM is truth
ANd in Islam - they believe that the christ is NOT a god - and the
christ was NOT the some of a god - and the christ did not die on a
cross
And because this is all believed by people of faith - then it is true
- and YOUR religion is therefore false
And interesting admission
And if you disagree with that - then you admit your statement is
wrong
Pick one
ThomM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 08:32:34 -0600, ThomM wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 9:10 am, QJ <qjmac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:39:26 -0600, Thommadura wrote
> >> (in article <4b3a06e7$0$5020$607ed...@cv.net>):
>
> >>> Sorry - but the christ is a belief
>
> >>> TRUTH is something that can be PROVEN
>
> >>> ANd YOU and all the other theists of the world have yet to prove any god
> >>> exists in a testable and verifiable way that can be repeated by all
> >>> regardless of their beliefs.
>
> >> What is true to a scientist and what is true to a person of faith are
> >> different.
>
>
> > THe word TRUTH is a simple english word with a very basic meaning that
> > can easily be understood by first graders - if not before. Although
> > apparently NOT by theists
>
> > True means to be consistent with FACT and accurate. No statements
> > about gods or the supernatural aspects of religion have been so
> > established and they are NOT TRUTH - they are only BELIEF.
>
> > If you defined TRUTH as something of faith beleived in - on an English
> > test - you would FAIL the test.
>
> >> What a scientist knows and what a person of faith knows are different.
>
Nonsense
If what YOU say is true THEN
What you are saying is that because over 1 billion people of faith
believe in it - then Islam is True.
And since in their belief - the christ is NOT a god - the christ is
not the son of a god - and the christ did not die on a cross - that
also must be true
SO your religion is therefore false as well.
An interesting admission
And if You disagree with the above - you PROVE your statement NOT to
be true.
Pick one!
QJ
(in article
<37f0cb98-d627-4dde...@u37g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>):
> On Dec 29, 9:59ï¿œam, QJ <qjmac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> To people of faith, their faith is as true to them as a fact to scientist.
>>
>> I think in certain parts of the county and world, if you were to ask a first
>> grader if God did actually exist, many would say yes it was true. ￜ
>>
>> A scientist will never be able to scientifically convince a person of faith
>> that their beliefs are wrong just as a person of faith will never be able to
>> convince a non-believer to believe. ￜ
>>
>> It is an argument without end that has been going on for a long long time.
>
> Nonsense
>
> If what YOU say is true THEN
>
> What you are saying is that because over 1 billion people of faith
> believe in it - then Islam is True.
>
> And since in their belief - the christ is NOT a god - the christ is
> not the son of a god - and the christ did not die on a cross - that
> also must be true
>
> SO your religion is therefore false as well.
>
> An interesting admission
>
> And if You disagree with the above - you PROVE your statement NOT to
> be true.
>
> Pick one!
Faith is believing in something that cannot be known. Unlike science where a
theory can be proved or disproved, faith cannot be proved or disproved.
People of faith view that their beliefs are real and true.
To each person of faith, the fact that others have different faiths, or even
no faith, is irrelevant to how strongly they hold their beliefs to be real
and true.
ThomM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:16:33 -0600, ThomM wrote
> (in article
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 9:59 am, QJ <qjmac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> To people of faith, their faith is as true to them as a fact to scientist.
>
> >> I think in certain parts of the county and world, if you were to ask a first
> >> grader if God did actually exist, many would say yes it was true.
>
> >> that their beliefs are wrong just as a person of faith will never be able to
> >> convince a non-believer to believe.
>
>
> > Nonsense
>
> > If what YOU say is true THEN
>
> > What you are saying is that because over 1 billion people of faith
> > believe in it - then Islam is True.
>
> > And since in their belief - the christ is NOT a god - the christ is
> > not the son of a god - and the christ did not die on a cross - that
> > also must be true
>
> > SO your religion is therefore false as well.
>
> > An interesting admission
>
> > And if You disagree with the above - you PROVE your statement NOT to
> > be true.
>
> > Pick one!
I note you did not answer the question about Islam
THat is because YOU cannot
>
> Faith is believing in something that cannot be known.
THat happens to be reality as well - there are LOTS of things that are
unknown
However - if something is UNKNOWN - it has NOT been established to be
TRUE - and that is the subject of MY post - you claim something is
true - when it is NOT - it is ONLY BELIEF
>Unlike science where a> theory can be proved or disproved, faith cannot be >proved or disproved.
Again - NONSENSE
IF a belief has things in it that are proven NOT TO BE TRUE or CANNOT
HAPPEN - then faith can be disproven.
For example - not matter how much faith you have that the earth is the
center of the universe and everything else - including the sun -
revolves around the stationary earth - the FACT IS - that is NOT
TRUE. And that makes that faith disproved
There were a number of FAITHS that the world would end in 1984 - and
since it is passed 1984 and the world has not ended - that faith was
proven wrong as well.
In times past - mariners had faith that the world was FLAT - and that
they could sail over the edge of the earth. Of course - the earth is
NOT flat - and they never did that - so their faith was wrong as well.
Another example
A god is everywhere
If that were true - we ALL would see that god.
Claiming the god is a spirit that cannot be seen - only admits that
the god is not in the area of visibility to humans - and is therefore
NOT everywhere.
Also - no matter how much faith you have - if claims of that faith
CONTRADICT each other - that faith is also disproven.
For instance - a god is almighty - and all knowing - and eternal.
Define those terms as the religion does (in the baltimore catechism
for instance)
Almighty means the ability to do anything and everything - ie - there
is NOTHING the god cannot do
All Knowing - means the god knows everthing past - present and future
- wihout exception
Eternal - means NO beginning and no end
So - no god can be all three of these things since they contradict
each other in many ways
1 - An eternal god is incapable of ending its own existence - so there
is something it cannot do. (Of course - an eternal god was NEVER born
(No beginnning) - and never died (No end) - so the story of the christ
is also impossible in that respect as well. Note - an eternal god is
ALWAYS a god -and cannot become human as well.
2 - A god that is ALL KNOWING - knows everything that will happen for
all time - and is therefore incapable of doing anything other than
what it already knows it will do. Again - that means that god is NOT
almighty - since it cannot change its mind and do something other than
what it already knows. THat also eliminates free will - since we can
only do what that god already knew before we were born - and that
means we really had no choice.
Again - my statement above is also true
IF truth is simply established by people of faith believing it - then
ALL the 28 million gods so far named by humans are true since there
was someone who believed in them
And that means that YOUR god is not the one true god - since there are
MILLIONS of true gods.
And you admitting that is true - means that your faith is disproven as
well.
QJ
(in article
<23a9f803-f7f3-4a9c...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>):
> I note you did not answer the question about Islam
> THat is because YOU cannot
The fact that 1, 10, 100, 1000, 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 people believe
something does not make it true in the scientific way and to the person of
faith it usually does not matter if they are the only one.
The remainder of your post is related to the issue is that when people of
faith talk/write about what is true, it is not the same as what is true in
the physical and scientific world.
A person of faith does not need proof to know something they take on faith is
"true" as opposed to a scientist who does
Yes, they may be using the word, "true", in a different connotation/meaning,
but language is not something etched in stone, but varies over time.
When two opposing groups are not using the same word in the same
connotation/meaning, no discussion is possible and that is the case with
people of faith (and do not need a religion to have faith) and people on
non-faith have with these types of discussions. Each side has not, cannot,
and will continue not to be able to give an answer that the other can accept.
To paraphrase a George Bernard Shaw quote: these are two groups separated by
a common language.
ThomM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:28:10 -0600, ThomM wrote
> (in article
>
> > I note you did not answer the question about Islam
> > THat is because YOU cannot
>
> The fact that 1, 10, 100, 1000, 1,000,000 or 1,000,000,000 people believe
> something does not make it true in the scientific way and to the person of
> faith it usually does not matter if they are the only one.
Ah - but we are talking about a religious belief that people believe
in faith - and then YOU claim to be true
If your statement is true
Then ALL relgiions and ALL gods are true - since they are ALL believed
by people of faith
Either you AGREE or you do not -
Pick one
>
> The remainder of your post is related to the issue is that when people of
> faith talk/write about what is true, it is not the same as what is true in
> the physical and scientific world.
No - sorry - but again the rest of my post was about religion and the
claims of religion
You said that a faith cannot be unproven
And I gave specific situations where a faith CAN be disproven
SO you are wrong - period
>
> A person of faith does not need proof to know something they take on faith is
> "true" as opposed to a scientist who does'
Since something taken in faith is NOT proven to be true - it is not
established TRUTH -period
It has nothing to do with science or faith
>
> Yes, they may be using the word, "true", in a different connotation/meaning,
> but language is not something etched in stone, but varies over time.
Sorry - but FACTS are FACTS - that the earth is NOT flat is a fact
THat your religion claimed it was - and it was believed by people of
faith - did not make that true - period.
>
> When two opposing groups are not using the same word in the same
> connotation/meaning, no discussion is possible and that is the case with
> people of faith (and do not need a religion to have faith) and people on
> non-faith have with these types of discussions. Each side has not, cannot,
> and will continue not to be able to give an answer that the other can accept.
>
> To paraphrase a George Bernard Shaw quote: these are two groups separated by
> a common language.
THere is NO separation of the the word TRUTH
If something cannot be established to be factual - it has NOT been
determined to be truth
And to say something is true just because you BELIEVE it to be true is
still a LIE - nothing more - nothing less.
And your dancing around still doesn't change that.
If something is true - it is TRUE for everyone - and faith has NOTHING
to do with it.
And religion does not meet that criteria in any way - so you are
simply wrong again.
QJ
(in article
<d8cb0a31-8935-4451...@r14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>):
> THere is NO separation of the the word TRUTH
Your problem is you cannot realize/accept that for people of faith and
theologists the word "truth" has a different meaning than what those of
nonfatih and scientists use.
The scientific point of view about the world and the theology point of view
of the world, real and spiritual, are different.
Just as some scientists cannot accept the theological point of view, there
are theologists who cannot accept the scientific point of view. My
impression is that many, on each side, can accept and do live, without any
trouble, with both views in their life.
ThomM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:59:09 -0600, ThomM wrote
> (in article
>
> > THere is NO separation of the the word TRUTH
>
> Your problem is you cannot realize/accept that for people of faith and
> theologists the word "truth" has a different meaning than what those of
> nonfatih and scientists use.
YOUR problem is that you are claiming something that is NOT TRUE
IF your statement was true - then you would agree that ALL religions
and ALL gods are truth - since they are ALL believed by people of
faith
Either YOU agree with that statement or you do not
Now - either you claim that ALL religions and gods are true
OR
YOU do not
Pick ONE
IF you claim that only YOUR religion is true and the others are not -
then YOU are lying - period.
ThomM
> (in article
>
> > THere is NO separation of the the word TRUTH
>
> Your problem is you cannot realize/accept that for people of faith and
> theologists the word "truth" has a different meaning than what those of
> nonfatih and scientists use.
Sorry - but you are simply being DISHONEST
IF the word TRUTH - as defined by theists (as you did above)- means
that something is true because it is believed by a person of faith -
then YOU would have to agree that EVERY statement of every religion
and ABOUT every god is TRUE - since all are believed by person's of
faith
That would mean that you cannot reject any of them.
IF you reject any of them - that means you do not agree with your own
definition.
That people of religion regularly IMPROPERLY use the word truth -
where the word BELIEF belongs without question - but that does not
change the correct meaning of the word TRUTH - since something that is
true - is TRUE for everyone.
SO - either you agree with ALL religions and all gods being true
OR YOU DO NOT.
Pick one.
QJ
(in article
<75441309-7f59-4bca...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>):
I was not being dishonest when I wrote that to people of faith and
theologists that the word "truth" has a different definition than your.
I was not being dishonest when I wrote that there are differences between
what different faiths view as what they call the "truth."
I was not dishonest when I wrote that scientists and theology use different
meanings of the same words and so they cannot really carry on a discussion
without agreement as to the definitions of words
I was not dishonest when I wrote that many scientists and theologists can
accept and live with, even in their own life, with these differences.
I was not dishonest when I wrote that some people cannot accept the other
view - your comments show that.
I have made no statements about where I personally stand on this issue and so
will not "pick one" know - if that is not acceptable to you, so be it.
Thommadura
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:05:16 -0600, ThomM wrote
> (in article
> <75441309-7f59-4bca...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>):
>
Actually - there is NO QUESTION that you were being DISHONEST
YOU defined a truth as something that people believe in faith - to
people of faith
And YOU do not actually agree with that statement
IF you did agree with that statement - then it would be appplied to
EVERY thing people believe in faith.
However - YOU do not accept every thing people believe in faith to be
TRUE - only what YOU believe in faith
IF other people happen to agree with what YOU say - you will agree with
them.
However - if other people believe in faith that YOU are wrong - you do
not agree with them and do not accept what they beleive in faith to be true.
Therefore -what YOU are doing is providing a personal definition of the
word as YOU apply it ONLY to what YOU believe.
However - the word "TRUTH" does NOT have different meanings for a real
theologist(who is non-aligned to a particular belief) - since THEY
accept that theology is BELIEF not truth. ANd they describe things to be
"TRUE" only in the overall context of a BELIEF - and do not actually say
any of it is TRUE in actuality. So - for instance - it is true that the
catholic religion has the only pope who speaks for the christ in
encyclicals - that is based on the belief of catholics - and it is NOT a
real truth - just part of a belief. In the real world it is no more than
fiction - not truth at all.
When you add the word THEOLOGICAL to the word truth - ie - Theological
Truth - it means that the statement is true ONLY in the world of
theology - NOT IN THE REAL WORLD
I am still talking about the single 5 letter word "TRUTH" = without
conditional adjectives - there is NO difference to its meaning in any
way - no matter what YOU claim.
As I noted - IF you really agree that things that are accepted in faith
are truth
then YOU would have to agree that the following are TRUTH
1 - ALLAH is the ONLY true god
2 - THE universe was created by Brahma for Vishnu
3 - THe christ was not a god - was not the son of a god - nor did be die
on a cross.
4 - THere are no gods (Several religions - among them Buddhism and
Confucianism do not have them)
ALL of these things are statements that people have accepted in FAITH.
So - if you claim I am wrong - then YOU tell ME in your post that YOU
agree that ALL of the above are TRUTHS. AND I know YOU will not do that one.
RJ
Certainly in the real world, we know as a truth that two parts
hydrogen and one part oxygen gives water. It can be scientifically
proved and is reproducible.
Also in the real world, we know that historical people like, Julius
Caesar, Mozart and George Washington and others existed, but we do not
have first hand proof, but only documents written after the fact and
they and what they did is not reproducible like H2O. So is their
existence and what they did not the true. There may be some specific
instances where there is a difference of opinion amongst historians,
but that does not change the whole picture.
Theology really deals more with the spiritual world which is different
from the real world. There are differences between theologists as to
what is the spiritual world, but not that there is one.
This thread seems to have become bogged down in semantics.
MoSn
(in article
<d83c1746-e41a-4508...@d32g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>):
Some atheists are just as "in your face" about what they think as some
theists are about what they think.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
d83c1746-e41a-4508...@d32g2000yqf.googlegroups.com
> This has become an interesting thread.
Indeed!
> Certainly in the real world, we know as a truth that two parts
> hydrogen and one part oxygen gives water. It can be scientifically
> proved and is reproducible.
It is actually only reproducible if done under the same conditions. It
is a restricted view on reality.
> Also in the real world, we know that historical people like, Julius
> Caesar, Mozart and George Washington and others existed, but we do not
> have first hand proof, but only documents written after the fact and
> they and what they did is not reproducible like H2O. So is their
> existence and what they did not the true. There may be some specific
> instances where there is a difference of opinion amongst historians,
> but that does not change the whole picture.
Correct. Nobody would doubt that the people you mentioned above really
existed, although there is no direct proof, or that their existence
could be empirically proved in reproducible experiments.
> Theology really deals more with the spiritual world which is different
> from the real world. There are differences between theologists as to
> what is the spiritual world, but not that there is one.
Correct.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Fred Thomas
> RJ rjone...@gmail.com wrote in
> d83c1746-e41a-4508...@d32g2000yqf.googlegroups.com
>> This has become an interesting thread.
>
> Indeed!
>
>
>> Certainly in the real world, we know as a truth that two parts
>> hydrogen and one part oxygen gives water. It can be scientifically
>> proved and is reproducible.
>
> It is actually only reproducible if done under the same conditions. It
> is a restricted view on reality.
>
Ahhhhhhhh...........no. There are many conditions that produce water.
Thommadura
I do not know who "TOM" is but nothing above in this thread was posted
by me
However -
WE do have first hand proof of George Washington - and Mozart - and
Julius Caesar =- we actually have statements - either in print - or in
the case of Caesar - in carvings - that are dated to their actual time
of existence. WE have actual document signed by Washington - and LOTS of
eye witness accounts that can be dated to his time.
WE have such things for ancient Pharoahs - and we also have their
mummies as well. We KNOW where Washington was buried - we have documents
he actually signed - we have original manuscripts of Mozart.
YET - for a person who is supposed to be an all knowing all powerful god
- we have nothing like that for the christ.
WE have a story about a supposed GOD - who was born (the christian god
is supposed to be ONE GOD and eternal - no beginning and no end - so it
could not be born) from parents Nazareth - but Nazareth was - according
to archeologists - was not a city as described at the time this
supposedly happened. THe reason they were at bethlehem was supposed to
be a Roman census - but there is NO record of any roman census at that
time either. THe closest roman census we know of was 6 years later - and
the romans did not take census in the middle of winter - they did so at
the end of the harvest so they could collect taxes. (OF course - we also
know that the idea that the christ was born at the Winter Solstice is
just a celebration since the date of his birth is unknown as well)
There is NOT A SINGLE record of the birth life or death of that supposed
god that WE HAVE from during his supposed lifetime from any source -
religous or otherwise. WE have not a single manuscript of HIS - nothing
he wrote or signed. We have NO BODY - NO BODY of either of his earthly
parents - nothing. Even the crypt he was supposedly buried in was
someone else's - and his name was not on it in ancient times.
The claim of religion is that he was TOTALLY human so he could sacrifice
himself - to himself - The christian god is supposed to be one god in
three manifestations - itself a bunch of nonsense. If you read the
religous MYTH book about he - he always talks of the FATHER god as a
separate person. If they were actually ONE god - he would have said -
GEE _ WHY HAVE I FORSAKE MYSELF? Of course - if he had to ask WHY he
was forsaken - he is apparently not all knowing as well. After all -
why did he NOT KNOW it was not fig season either?
Of course - this totally human being was still able to perform miracles
like the raising of a rotting corpse from a grave. GEE -even back then -
IF THAT HAPPENED - it would have made the news. WE are talking about a
time of the Roman age when communication and historians were plenty.
Of course - no other HUMAN can do that one -another fact that christians
ignore in the story. Either he was human or he was not.
YET - we have no record of that act either anywhere outside of religous
fiction. And yes - I can call it fiction - since it not only is
composed of deliberate fiction - called parables(Fictional stories that
have a moral message) - but there are lots of things in it - especially
in creation - that are NOT TRUE. IT is just as likely that the whole
story of the christ is one big parable - because we do not actually know
who wrote most of the bible. WE certainly do not have any source
material for the old testament - those ancient legends and myths were
not even written down until about 450 BCE according to the Talmud - and
the basic source used by the christians for it was not written until 200 CE.
Now this supposed god was supposed to be the jewish messiah - but he -
even in the story - did not fulfill the prophecies to actually be that
- and is not recognized by his own supposed religion to be the messiah.
He did not rebuild the temple - he did not bring back all the jews to
the Holy land - he did not unite the world under ONE faith (WHich was
supposed to be Judaism - NOT christianity) - and he did not get the
whole world to admit that their beliefs were wrong - nor did he RULE
over the earth after establishing complete peace - all of which was
supposed to happen DURING his lifetime - no second coming was ever
mentioned in the jewish writings. Of course it would have taken a real
god to perform those feats - and the christians could not change the
historical records enough to make it seem like those things happened
either.
HE is recorded as having taught in the HIghest Jewish Temple of
Jerusalem - but ONLY a trained RABBI was able to do that - and to become
a Rabbi - he would have to be married. Yet - according to christians -
he was not married.
THen we are told that this god - who could raise people from the grave -
but is still totally human (ROFL) - came to "save" us. The story is -
his father - who is another manifestation of ONE GOD - sent his son to
earth - so that he could be killed by still other people (Not the jews -
but the Romans) so that sins could be forgiven and to show his love!
That part makes no sense at all.
WE do not show love for another person by allowing our sons to be killed
by a still third party - there is NO logic in that one. Worse - it is an
actual MURDER. OF course -since he was a god - he could not actually die
- since the ONE god of christianity is ETERNAL and cannot die.
If might be plausible if it was a single consistent story that everyone
agreed upon - but even the bible cannot agree on simple things - like
the last three words of the christ before he died - supposedly written
down by eye witnesses. THe bible cannot agree on who found the tomb
empty - or even state why it was left alone by the followers. I would
have expected them to stay around it until he rose again! But even
according to the bible - when the christ supposedly rose - no one was
there. ANd who found the crypt empty - well we have several choices in
the bible alone.
As a former christian - who knows the stories - was well educated in the
religous belief - it simply makes no sense. IF you ask in faith - you
will receive - yet millions of people have asked in faith for lots of
pious things - the end to war - famine - disease - death - and we still
have famines - wars - disease - and death.
Why is it that no pious person who prays in faith to the god who is said
to give when you do so - has never regrown a missing limb?
Now - we have over 39,000 different sects of religions - plus millions
of people here - claiming that they are the ONE true church - or know
that ONE TRUE meaning of what all of this - and they argue and fight
over the meaning of even basic english words like "TRUTH". If you put
together the posts of Michael christ - and Pastor Dave - ANd Andrew
Chung - and ANdrew - and Gladys - and Gabriel - And Duke - you find that
they cannot agree on most things themselves - and they claim to believe
this. OF COURSE - they do not actually accept EVERYTHING in the bible -
they choose to only accept what supports their chosen beliefs.
ANd just reading the posts between to so called BELIVERS in this group
as they snipe at each other and call each other liars - and claim the
others misinterpret the word - is COMICAL in nature.
YOU people - and what you say - is proof enough of the lack of validity
of your religion.
MU
Semantics is all atheists have to play with considering they believe in
nothing.
MU
> YOUR problem is that you are claiming something that is NOT TRUE
>
> IF your statement was true - then you would agree that ALL religions
> and ALL gods are truth - since they are ALL believed by people of
> faith
>
> Either YOU agree with that statement or you do not
>
> Now - either you claim that ALL religions and gods are true
>
> OR
>
> YOU do not
>
> Pick ONE
>
> IF you claim that only YOUR religion is true and the others are not -
> then YOU are lying - period.
You post like a retard with all the idiotic spacings and Caps On cAPS
OFF crap.
You've pretty much tanked on this particular issue there "Junior".
It was inevitable because you were running blind without a principal,
having absolutely no experience and not bothering with anything
that even remotely resembled thinking critically. You really don't
have a clue. You even managed to embarrass yourself by abandoning
common sense.
So are you going to continue this charade, or save what little face
you have left? Up to you....
pegleg
> On 12/29/2009 5:06 PM, QJ wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:05:16 -0600, ThomM wrote
> > (in article
>
Pegleg:
I got one for ya......8-)
God has the RIGHT to select the ones He wants to have a love affair
with!
Just as you or I.
I keep trying to tell you....it's doesn't matter what man says....it
alll goes to
what God says.
Allah is a god....but he is not the GOD
Thommadura
Sorry - but there is NO god to do that - that you have proven to exist.
And - if a god actually did that - then your god is not perfect then -
since we do have DIVORCE!
More reason not to believe your nonsense
Thommadura
I have great grandchildren - JUNIOR.
THe problem with YOU is that when you cannot actually answer a question
you do what all theists do - you do one or more of three things
1 - YOU attack the questioner
2 - YOu attack the question
3 - YOu change the subject
The statement was made that TRUTH is what a person believes in faith
and that statement is a FRAUD.
THe person who claimed it LIED -because she does NOT believe it appplies
what everyone believes in faith - only to the things SHE believes in faith
THere are LOTS of people who beleive in faith that ALLAH is the only
true god
THere are just as many Confucians and Buddhist who believe in FAITH that
there are NO GODS at all.
Either she accepts BOTH as true - or she does not believe her own statement
Of course - BOTH cannot be true either
So - she is being DISHONEST because she does not apply the defintion to
everyone in faith - and the word should be the same for ALL.
pegleg
Pegleg:
So, who do u think is more perfect than God? Silly, that's because
God is the only perfect one in the relationship! 8-)
Oh, He does do just that....He has done just that all along....8-)
He is awesome...
Thom, are u having a hard time understanding what I am saying? 8-(
.....or do u understand and it worries u...that u do?
> More reason not to believe your nonsense- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
MU
> On 12/30/2009 11:08 AM, MU wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:41:40 -0800 (PST), ThomM wrote:
>>
>>> YOUR problem is that you are claiming something that is NOT TRUE
>>>
>>> IF your statement was true - then you would agree that ALL religions
>>> and ALL gods are truth - since they are ALL believed by people of
>>> faith
>>>
>>> Either YOU agree with that statement or you do not
>>>
>>> Now - either you claim that ALL religions and gods are true
>>>
>>> OR
>>>
>>> YOU do not
>>>
>>> Pick ONE
>>>
>>> IF you claim that only YOUR religion is true and the others are not -
>>> then YOU are lying - period.
>>
>> You post like a retard with all the idiotic spacings and Caps On cAPS
>> OFF crap.
>>
>> You've pretty much tanked on this particular issue there "Junior".
>> It was inevitable because you were running blind without a principal,
>> having absolutely no experience and not bothering with anything
>> that even remotely resembled thinking critically. You really don't
>> have a clue. You even managed to embarrass yourself by abandoning
>> common sense.
>
> I have great grandchildren - JUNIOR.
Then act your age, GranPappy
QJ
(in article <hhftn7$etv$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
So are you an anti-semanite?
Atheists say you do not need a god so why make one up.
QJ
(in article <hhg9np$pcb$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
> Then act your age, GranPappy
So MU, from many of your childish retorts and comments, your must be in the
fourth grade
ThomM
No reason for him to - my father will never act like an old man
However - he has given up the childish belief in MYTHICAL characters
like Santa Claus - and the Easter Bunny - and Gods -
When will you do the same - ??????
ThomM
Again - atheists do not say we do not need a god - they say there are
NO gods - so why make them up?
Fred Thomas
Fred Thomas
formal name god is bigger, stronger? That sounds like little kids at school with
the one up-mans game of my dad can beat your dad.......So tell me, how do you
know god is "the god"? What cha got?
MoSn
(in article <hhgj17$au8$3...@news.eternal-september.org>):
>>
>> Semantics is all atheists have to play with considering they believe in
>> nothing.
> LOL! Do you realize what you just said???
Certainly is nice to see a lot people posting some funny stuff - maybe there
is hope for this to become a joke group since there is little else here.
pegleg
Pegleg:
That's right.....8-) Smarter, too....8-)
~~~~
That sounds like little kids at school with
> the one up-mans game of my dad can beat your dad.......So tell me, how do you
> know god is "the god"? What cha got?-
Pegleg:
Well, right off the bat.....He allowed all those little gods to be
created. 8-)
I figure it's because He uses them to bring about His
will.....wouldn't u think that? 8-)
MU
>>> I have great grandchildren - JUNIOR.
>>
>> Then act your age, GranPappy
>
> No reason for him to - my father will never act like an old man
?????????????
> However - he has given up the childish belief in MYTHICAL characters
> like Santa Claus - and the Easter Bunny - and Gods -
Well you will have family in Hell.
> When will you do the same - ??????
Santa and Jesus really aren't in the same belief class...except to you,
of course.
Fred Thomas
Then why cant this god get his story straight?
> That sounds like little kids at school with
>> the one up-mans game of my dad can beat your dad.......So tell me, how do you
>> know god is "the god"? What cha got?-
>
> Pegleg:
>
> Well, right off the bat.....He allowed all those little gods to be
> created. 8-)
>
What you have to show evidence of this?
> I figure it's because He uses them to bring about His
> will.....wouldn't u think that? 8-)
>
>
No, this bigger god of your is just a myth, just like all the others.
MoSn
(in article <hhgtb4$4ff$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
Which is the one more believable.
See how much more fun we can have without having Chung involved
pegleg
Pegleg:
Why? Only those with eyes to see and ears to hear.....can do so. 8-(
~~~~
> > I figure it's because He uses them to bring about His
> > will.....wouldn't u think that? 8-)
>
> No, this bigger god of your is just a myth, just like all the others.
>
>
> > Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Fred Thomas
Thats the point, you don't.
pegleg
Pegleg:
U wish.....
Fred Thomas
pegleg
Pegleg:
8-).....now, I will give u the last word.....8-)
::: Jesus is LORD :::
hhfdio$2i4$1...@news.eternal-september.org
> On 12/29/2009 10:29 PM, ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>> RJ rjone...@gmail.com wrote in
>> d83c1746-e41a-4508...@d32g2000yqf.googlegroups.com
>>> This has become an interesting thread.
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>>
>>> Certainly in the real world, we know as a truth that two parts
>>> hydrogen and one part oxygen gives water. It can be scientifically
>>> proved and is reproducible.
>>
>> It is actually only reproducible if done under the same conditions.
>> It is a restricted view on reality.
>>
>
> Ahhhhhhhh...........no. There are many conditions that produce water.
"Many" are not "all". Water has three states of which we know, and who
might say how many more?
An empirical experiment is only valid if it is always reproducible under
the same conditions. However, if the conditions are be different, the
result might be, too. So what is one empirically proven result compared
with all the others that would have been possible?
See it as you want to, but such a proof alwas comes from a RESTRICTION
of the reality, so it does not work for the whole, just for a tiny part.
Faith goes beyond that, you see? It is something on a different level,
so debating faith on the same level as science (which seems to be all
you can do) is vanity. You will never be able to understand what
believers say, unless you are a believer.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Fred Thomas wrote:
> >
> > Ahhhhhhhh...........no. There are many conditions that produce water.
>
> "Many" are not "all". Water has three states of which we know, and who
> might say how many more?
>
> An empirical experiment is only valid if it is always reproducible under
> the same conditions. However, if the conditions are be different, the
> result might be, too. So what is one empirically proven result compared
> with all the others that would have been possible?
>
> See it as you want to, but such a proof alwas comes from a RESTRICTION
> of the reality, so it does not work for the whole, just for a tiny part.
>
> Faith goes beyond that, you see? It is something on a different level,
> so debating faith on the same level as science (which seems to be all
> you can do) is vanity. You will never be able to understand what
> believers say, unless you are a believer.
With all due respect, can you, Vera, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
using your mouth?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Fred Thomas
> Fred Thomas fr...@aol.com wrote in
> hhfdio$2i4$1...@news.eternal-september.org
>> On 12/29/2009 10:29 PM, ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>> RJ rjone...@gmail.com wrote in
>>> d83c1746-e41a-4508...@d32g2000yqf.googlegroups.com
>>>> This has become an interesting thread.
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Certainly in the real world, we know as a truth that two parts
>>>> hydrogen and one part oxygen gives water. It can be scientifically
>>>> proved and is reproducible.
>>>
>>> It is actually only reproducible if done under the same conditions.
>>> It is a restricted view on reality.
>>>
>>
>> Ahhhhhhhh...........no. There are many conditions that produce water.
>
> "Many" are not "all". Water has three states of which we know, and who
> might say how many more?
>
Water has four states, the fourth plasma.
> An empirical experiment is only valid if it is always reproducible under
> the same conditions. However, if the conditions are be different, the
> result might be, too. So what is one empirically proven result compared
> with all the others that would have been possible?
>
The combining of hydrogen and oxygen occurs every day under many circumstances.
Running your car for example produces water. One of the gases emitted when
welding is water. The by product of a working fuel cell is water. Hydrogen and
water atoms combine by catalytic reaction and also by introducing some amount of
energy.
> See it as you want to, but such a proof alwas comes from a RESTRICTION
> of the reality, so it does not work for the whole, just for a tiny part.
>
Your head has been so manipulated you have very little true understanding of the
physical and world of science.
> Faith goes beyond that, you see?
Faith is nothing more than believing something with out any evidence it is true.
Faith=lazy.
>It is something on a different level,
> so debating faith on the same level as science (which seems to be all
> you can do) is vanity.
I made no debate using "faith", you made an incorrect comment on the
reproduction of water. I replied to that comment. The fact is you can not debate
science using "faith", faith being that you took some ones word at face value
and believed it with out actually testing the words. So If I told you the sky
appears green you would believe it and spread it around.
> You will never be able to understand what
> believers say, unless you are a believer.
>
I understand full well what "believers" say, it's not deep by any measure. So If
I told you the sky appears green you would believe it and spread it around.
ver...@gefinden.com
using your mouth?"
With all due respect, can you say that you do not sin?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "With all due respect, can you, Vera, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
> using your mouth?"
Am not Vera.
> With all due respect, can you say that you do not sin?
Am wonderfully hungry :-)
The reason why this is the right answer to your question is as
explicated at:
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5f5ff7d4356941dc?
<><
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
ver...@gefinden.com
"Am wonderfully hungry :-)
The reason why this is the right answer to your question is as
explicated at:
No, a poor dodge of the question at best. Do you sin? Answer
previously given can be provided to refresh your memory.
®
ver...@gefinden.com <ver...@gefinden.com> wrote:
> "With all due respect, can you, Vera, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
> using your mouth?"
Romans 10:9 NIV
(9) That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and
believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will
be saved.
"confess" is in the aorist, not present tense. It does not
therefore mean that you have to keep on confessing Jesus as Lord,
at the ongoing demand of some man, in order to be saved.
1 Corinthians 12:3 NIV
(3) Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the
Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus
is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
"say" is also in the aorist, not present tense. It does not,
therefore mean that unless you continually say Jesus is Lord, at
the demand of some man, you therefore do not have the Holy Spirit.
If Jesus were your Lord, you would not tempt people to make vain
repetitions of their confession, on your demand, after they have
already publicly confessed Jesus is Lord with their mouth.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
______________________________________________
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "With all due respect, can you, Vera, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
> using your mouth?"
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ce81bbd75986e5d3?
Am not Vera.
> With all due respect, can you say that you do not sin?
Am wonderfully hungry :-)
The reason why this is the right answer to your question is as
explicated at:
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5f5ff7d4356941dc?
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic, for which there is
no vaccine, at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a Pan-Flu virus deadlier than the current H1N1
Pandemic virus (i.e. one for which there is no vaccine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
life in remembrance of the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
ver...@gefinden.com
"No."
> Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
> and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> A sockpuppet wrote:
>
>> "With all due respect, can you, Vera, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
>> using your mouth?"
>
>Romans 10:9 NIV
>(9) That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and
>believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will
>be saved.
Amen.
Now, with all due respect, can you, Randy, publicly say once and for
all (i.e. not vainly) that "Jesus is LORD" using your mouth?
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
plus the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/63d9553d4c7b8f7b?
Thommadura
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:06:36 -0800 (PST), ThomM wrote:
>
>>>> I have great grandchildren - JUNIOR.
>>>
>>> Then act your age, GranPappy
>>
>> No reason for him to - my father will never act like an old man
>
> ?????????????
>
>> However - he has given up the childish belief in MYTHICAL characters
>> like Santa Claus - and the Easter Bunny - and Gods -
>
> Well you will have family in Hell.
No such place is proven to exist - as well as your gods
>
>> When will you do the same - ??????
>
> Santa and Jesus really aren't in the same belief class...except to you,
> of course.
Since they are both FICTIONAL characters - you are correct
Far more people believe in Santa Claus
I
<whatever>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No-one came to my New Year's Eve Praise Fest Party except my dog whom I
kicked. I ate the crisps and drank all the cordial by myself. The police
came to my door after the neighbours complained about a crazy person
shouting out "Korrect!" for hours on end. The police asked me if I was that
crazy peson and I answered "Korrect!". They explained that I could spend a
night in a cell if I didn't shut up. @%%(&*(%%!!!!! I'm being persecuted for
guarding my faith!!!! At least my bible luvs me.
from
http://faithguard-moi.blogspot.com/2009/12/new-years-eve-praise-fest-party-poorly.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
--
Read the adventures of Rundy Bullspitfire - where every post is archived.
http://faithguard-moi.blogspot.com/
MU
> On 12/30/2009 8:04 PM, MU wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:06:36 -0800 (PST), ThomM wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have great grandchildren - JUNIOR.
>>>>
>>>> Then act your age, GranPappy
>>>
>>> No reason for him to - my father will never act like an old man
>>
>> ?????????????
>>
>>> However - he has given up the childish belief in MYTHICAL characters
>>> like Santa Claus - and the Easter Bunny - and Gods -
>>
>> Well you will have family in Hell.
>
> No such place is proven to exist - as well as your gods
Then you have no worries other than you will die old /and/ stupid.
ThomM
I am at least smart enough not to believe anything you say will
happen.
It is a stupid person who accepts fairy tales about omnipotent gods
without any proof.
As Bill Gates said - Just in terms of allocation of time resources,
religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing
on a Sunday morning.
MU
>>
>> Then you have no worries other than you will die old /and/ stupid.
>
> I am at least smart enough not to believe anything you say will
> happen.
Works for me.
*plonk*
No time for stupid, little children.
I
<snip usual nonsense>
Repetition of the OCD kind seems to be Randy Young �'s life
considering his DUPLICATED emails from this newsgroup posters at
- http://groups.google.com.au/group/faithguard?hl=en
- http://www.faithguard.org/
- http://www.hopeguard.org/
- http://pulpitfire.blogspot.com/
4 907 posts in each of the four sites which is a TOTAL: of 19 628 DUPLICATED
posts on his sites!!!!!
Randy Young � also spams this newsgroup with the same replies over and over
every day.
Ask yourself what normal person does such a thing.
Randy Young � thinks this daily abuse is "guarding the faith". I quote from
http://groups.google.com.au/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=DiLFqxQAAAABcCxRJnfNjIMMZ6pfmxxyOPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A
#######################################################
There's little I enjoy more than coming into these groups to guard the faith
#######################################################
IS "guarding the faith" abusing Christians and calling Christian women
"whores" on this newsgroup and reporting them to their ISPs over trivial
matters??????
My ISP calls Randy Young's daily rants "ABUSE". I quote:
############################################
I just got an email from your ISP saying it was returned for innappropriate
language. ... talking about the headers where Randy is calling *[Christian
women] whores.
MAILER...@tpg.com.au to me
show details 8:04 PM (3 minutes ago)
Your message has been prevented from delivery because it contains language
that is not appropriate. TPG reserves the right to protect its staff and
members from this type of abuse.
You are encouraged to re-write your message before sending it again. A copy
of your original message is below.
##############################################
RANDY YOUNG �'s HATE SPEECH ADVOCATING SPOUSAL RAPE ......
#########################################
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.prayer
From: Randy <pulpi...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:00:42 -0500
Local: Wed, Sep 27 2006 9:00 am
Subject: Re: Daily prayer needed
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:13:40 GMT,
in article <o5eSg.3763$pq4.3...@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
...
I don't need to, because she believes what 1 Corinthians 7 says when
it says the husband's body belongs to the wife, and not to himself,
and the wife's body belongs to the husband, and not herself, and that
benevolence is "due" as a command of God for the promotion of holy
living. The only way you can commit "rape" in a marriage, is if you
deny what the Bible teaches when it says the husband's and wives'
bodies belong to each other, but not to themselves, and the fact God
has commanded benevolence, calling it "due", in favor of the laws and
customs of those who deny the authority of the Bible.
###############################################
--
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." ---Blaise Pascal
--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1
Thommadura
So - why don;t you kill yourself - christians do that more often than
anyone else
::: Jesus is LORD :::
4b3f5ea4$0$32579$607e...@cv.net
...while atheists have a lot of love for others, so we should all trust
them - which you have just showed.
--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://the-beauty-of-the-psalms.blogspot.com
http://jesus-christ-is-my-lord-and-my-god.blogspot.com
http://bible-prophecy-and-revelation.blogspot.com/
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "With all due respect, can you, Vera, publicly say "Jesus is LORD"
> using your mouth?"
Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ce81bbd75986e5d3?
Am not Vera.
Am wonderfully hungry :-)
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5f5ff7d4356941dc?
<><
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
Thommadura
> Thommadura tomm...@optonline.net wrote in
> 4b3f5ea4$0$32579$607e...@cv.net
>> On 1/1/2010 8:52 PM, MU wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:28:42 -0800 (PST), ThomM wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you have no worries other than you will die old /and/ stupid.
>>>>
>>>> I am at least smart enough not to believe anything you say will
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Works for me.
>>>
>>> *plonk*
>>>
>>> No time for stupid, little children.
>>
>>
>> So - why don;t you kill yourself - christians do that more often than
>> anyone else
>
> ...while atheists have a lot of love for others, so we should all trust
> them - which you have just showed.
>
No different than the nonsense stories theists constantly talk about -
just READ the old testament for examples of how their god is LOVE
Samuel 15:3
"Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do
not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and
sheep, camel and donkey."
Kill children and infants - this is GENOCIDE
Genocide, murder or any killing that is not necessary to defend another
person's life is not justified.
Your god advocated the wiping out of whole populations of people.
Numbers 31:17-18
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women
children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for
yourselves".
KILL every make - even the little ones (Children) = but keep the young
virgin women for yourselves
YOU cannot explain this away as "love"
Psalm 137:8-9
"O daughter of Babylon, you devastator! Happy shall
they be who pay you back what you have done to us! Happy shall they
be who take your little ones and dash them against the rock!"
Not only - take the little ones and dash them against a rocks - but then
CELEBRATE killing them.
AND this is the god YOU worship - and want others to worship!
Shame on YOU
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?
<><
LORD Jesus Christ says "you are My friends if you do what I
command"(John 15:14) and "if you love Me, you will obey what I
command."(John 14:15)
The LORD commands His disciples, who are mindful of WDJW and are doing
what He wants, to "love each other as I have loved you."(John 15:12)
The LORD teaches "greater love has no one than this, that he lay down
his life for his friends."(John 15:13)
This is how we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile),
should love one another. We should be willing to die for each other
because our LORD has been willing to die for each of us and indeed has
died for each of us so that we may have eternal life.(John 3:16)
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
life in remembrance of the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our
Messiah, the Son of Man:
Be hungrier, which truly is healthier for the heart, soul, and mind:
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