8 weeks on the 1kg-omer
Ros
amount. Everything is looking good and the loss is noticeably in the
middle area. Admittedly, I have been eating less than the 2lbs a day
because I want to lose weight, then when I'm down to my desired weight,
I'll continue on the daily 2lbs.
Though what I am wondering now is if there is any chance I'm losing
muscle as well as fat? My only exercise is walking about three days a
week for an hour or two, and just purchased a little stepper, hoping
this will help with my osteoporosis.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> I've lost 7 lbs since starting the 1kg (2lb) maximum daily eating
> amount. Everything is looking good and the loss is noticeably in the
> middle area. Admittedly, I have been eating less than the 2lbs a day
> because I want to lose weight, then when I'm down to my desired weight,
> I'll continue on the daily 2lbs.
Your eating less than 2lbs per day is the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> Though what I am wondering now is if there is any chance I'm losing
> muscle as well as fat?
The abdominal rectus muscle is bulky so that the inches you are losing
from the waistline is definitely VAT and not muscle. This has been
borne out in studies that have found the waistline to be the best
indirect measure of VAT.
If your healthy appetite is either intact or enhanced (ie no
hyperketonemia), this would serve as another reassuring sign that you
are not breaking down muscle, which would occur for gluconeogenesis
when there is not enough carbohydrates for running the Krebs cycle to
supply the reducing equivalents that are needed for the efficient
breakdown of fat without hyperketonemia.
> My only exercise is walking about three days a
> week for an hour or two, and just purchased a little stepper, hoping
> this will help with my osteoporosis.
Again, the main benefit of exercise is not for weight loss but for
fitness and general sense of wellbeing.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Ros
I googled hyperketonemia but still not sure what it means. However, I
usually go to bed feeling hungry and sometimes still feel a little
hungry after meals during the day. So I take it that is a healthy
appetite?
On my bathroom scales, my lowest BMI is 31 (which goes up at different
times of the day). As my weight is 119 lbs and height is 5'1", is this
BMI unhealthy? If it is, what would be my ideal BMI.
Thanks, Ros.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Ros wrote:
> > > I've lost 7 lbs since starting the 1kg (2lb) maximum daily eating
> > > amount. Everything is looking good and the loss is noticeably in the
> > > middle area. Admittedly, I have been eating less than the 2lbs a day
> > > because I want to lose weight, then when I'm down to my desired weight,
> > > I'll continue on the daily 2lbs.
> >
> > Your eating less than 2lbs per day is the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >
> > > Though what I am wondering now is if there is any chance I'm losing
> > > muscle as well as fat?
> >
Please note **correction**. Sorry about my error. Please forgive all
my iniquities.
> > from the waistline is definitely VAT and not muscle. This has been
> > borne out in studies that have found the waistline to be the best
> > indirect measure of VAT.
> >
> > If your healthy appetite is either intact or enhanced (ie no
> > hyperketonemia), this would serve as another reassuring sign that you
> > are not breaking down muscle, which would occur for gluconeogenesis
> > when there is not enough carbohydrates for running the Krebs cycle to
> > supply the reducing equivalents that are needed for the efficient
> > breakdown of fat without hyperketonemia.
> >
> > > My only exercise is walking about three days a
> > > week for an hour or two, and just purchased a little stepper, hoping
> > > this will help with my osteoporosis.
> >
> > Again, the main benefit of exercise is not for weight loss but for
> > fitness and general sense of wellbeing.
> >
> > May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear sister Ros whom I love
> > unconditionally.
<snip>
>
> I googled hyperketonemia but still not sure what it means.
It means excessively high ketone levels in the blood. Acetone would be
one of these ketones. Excessively high ketone levels stimulate the
breakdown of muscle and accelerates atherosclerosis by increasing lipid
peroxidation:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
> However, I
> usually go to bed feeling hungry and sometimes still feel a little
> hungry after meals during the day. So I take it that is a healthy
> appetite?
Yes, most assuredly without doubt.
"Blessed are you who hunger now for you will be satisfied." -- LORD
Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
> On my bathroom scales, my lowest BMI is 31 (which goes up at different
> times of the day). As my weight is 119 lbs and height is 5'1", is this
> BMI unhealthy?
Depends on how many pounds of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) is
included.
> If it is, what would be my ideal BMI.
When you have lost all the VAT.
Even just one ounce of VAT is harmful:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e352da8faa245013?
> Thanks
Thanks be to GOD.
Laus Deo !
c
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:1159687406....@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
<snip quackery>
> Even just one ounce of VAT is harmful:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e352da8faa245013?
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e352da8faa245013?
> >
> Not nearly as harmful as the quackery you spew forth.
Sorry my posts bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
lo...@thetruth.com
>
> Thanks to you for sharing.
Thanks be to GOD.
> Doubltess, many in the groups that you have
> posted this conversation to will have their lives enriched.
GOD's will be done and not my will.
> Pardon me for my foolishness
You are forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> , but I wonder what the point of posting it
> to a support group devoted to the low carb approach is.
Hyperketonemia occurs with the low carb diet.
> I am sure you
> claim divine inspiration and a need to evangelize both the Word of God
> and the 2PD-OMER (or here, the 2.2PD-OMER, since a kilo is more than 2
> lbs) to those in need.
No.
> But surely, as Christ was a fisher of men
Actually, Christ is GOD.
> and
> you are attempting to fish the unhealthy among those men, you might be
> able to approach better "waters," than asdlc.
The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to "fish."
> Perhaps just straight
> A.S.Diet.
Hyperketonemia is not associated with all diets.
> Perhaps some group on Christian Living (I wouldn't even
> hazzard guess as to where to find that. I am sure you know better than
> I). Perhaps on some general nutrition site.
See above.
> The title of this group is Alt.SUPPORT.Diet.Low-Carb. The key pieces of
> that for most of the people here would seem to be SUPPORT and Low-Carb.
> Since your post is neither supportive of anything in the low carb
> arena, I do not understand your desire to post here.
Simply an informative word to the wise.
> Please note: my browser and mind will filter any portion of any reply
> that quotes ANY outside source (Bible verse, link to previous posts,
> research studies, etc.). I am just curious to understand, in your own
> words, at this time, why you felt like posting this conversation to
> ASDLC.
See above.
> It is my feeling that, while all who seek information in good
> faith are welcome in ASDLC, you neither seek information nor distribute
> anything in good faith, vis-a-vis ASDLC.
Hyperketonemia remains a concern for those who are using a low-carb
diet to suppress their appetite in order to lose weight.
> I do not question your belief
> in Christ and all that that is about... I mean good faith in the
> secular sense, which would be appropriate since this is a secular
> group.
The crossposting of this thread to ASDLC is analogous to crossposting
information about the harmful effects of smoking to
alt.support.keep-smoking if there were such a usenet NG.
Therefore, in truth and in spirit, this crossposting has been done in
good faith and good will toward others.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
>
> > > Andrew,
> <snip>
> > > , but I wonder what the point of posting it
> > > to a support group devoted to the low carb approach is.
> >
> > Hyperketonemia occurs with the low carb diet.
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7b5ebce36f904cea?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8262f34357a9f7e7?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bf4a29870be0b572?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1b3a64bc4b86f640?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/12a25e250e8a77f7?
May GOD keep your heart beating dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > The abdominal rectus muscle is **not** bulky so that the inches you are losing
>
> Please note **correction**. Sorry about my error. Please forgive all
> my iniquities.
>
You're forgiven as far as I am concerned ;-)
And thanks for all the info.
Ros
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > > > The abdominal rectus muscle is **not** bulky so that the inches you are losing
> >
> > Please note **correction**. Sorry about my error. Please forgive all
> > my iniquities.
> >
> You're forgiven as far as I am concerned ;-)
Many thanks and much praise to our LORD for the love that is in your
heart.
> And thanks for all the info.
You are welcome :-)
All thanks and praises belong GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength.
May HE continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear sister
tund...@hotmail.com
someplace else. Nobody here wants to hear your bullshit.
TC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Hey Asshole.
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
> Is the 1kg-omer low-carb?
The 2PD-OMER Approach can be dove-tailed with a low-carb diet.
In time, all will discover that with the 2PD-OMER Approach, the
low-carb dieting is not requiring for becoming lean&trim.
> No?
See above.
> Then fuck off and go post
> someplace else.
Sorry this post bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Nobody here wants to hear your bullshit.
My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to be heard.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
tund...@hotmail.com
board certified quack moron.
>
> > Is the 1kg-omer low-carb?
>
> The 2PD-OMER Approach can be dove-tailed with a low-carb diet.
So it isn't low-carb per se. Take it elsewhere. I repeat, mno-one here
is interested in your nonsense.
>
> In time, all will discover that with the 2PD-OMER Approach, the
> low-carb dieting is not requiring for becoming lean&trim.
All here know that your idiotic diet is an idiotic diet.
>
> > No?
>
> See above.
>
> > Then fuck off and go post
> > someplace else.
>
> Sorry this post bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> iniquities.
You and your holier than thou pseudo-religious-linguistic-crutch
bullshit bothers everyone here terribly. So either fuck off or quit it.
Asshole.
>
> > Nobody here wants to hear your bullshit.
>
> My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to be heard.
Then you deal with it. That is between you and your LORD, fuckwit. That
is your business and no-one elses. Keep it to yourself.
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
> unconditionally.
Shove it up your arse.
TC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Again, name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
tund...@hotmail.com
You may not have noticed, but your constant religious references are
*offensive*. Especially in the context of this ng and smn. They are
offensive to the extreme. Those of us who are not Christians do not
want to hear your pseudo-Christian pronouncements no matter how well
meaning you pretend to be about it. And those of us who are Christians
are offended by the way you continually use and abuse the scriptures
and the language of religion to push nonsensical bullshit as some kind
of miracle science.
If you want to discuss diet or nutrition, go for it, but keep your
religiosity the fuck out of it. It is not relevant and only serves to
offend people, not to mention that it makes you look like a completely
unscientific person (asshole) more prone to believe things on faith
rather than real world observations and science. If you need to fall
back on religious pronouncements to support your diet, then the whole
thing has no real-world credibility. You have lost the discussion the
moment you make your first pseudo-religious statement in the
discussion.
So quit fucking offending us. Take your god and go off to your church
and knock yourself out there. Or sit in your home and pronounce your
religious inanities to the closest wall to you until you get it out of
your friggin' system and are able to hold a conversation without
inserting that offensive crap into the conversation every two fucking
sentences.
You are either specifically trying to offend us or you are just too
bloody stupid to understand how it is offending us. Either way, shut
the fuck up about it and get on with the discussion in a non-religious
manner or just shut the fuck up.
TC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> *offensive*.
Sorry my choice to remain openly Christian offends you. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
tund...@hotmail.com
Then shut the fuck up. Show us how genuine your apology is by
refraining from offending readers.
Asshole.
TC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you.
Again, may GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you.
>
We have got Earthquack bang to rights here.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Name-calling simply shows that you continue to be lost.
"Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders you will never
believe." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 4:48)
Amen !
"You are close to death. Know that henceforth each heartbeat that you
will have will be a wonder to all given because Andrew asked for this
on your behalf in Jesus' name." -- Holy Spirit
Amen !
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f9b4caf338c73d45?
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Can you actually post a link, or the title of a research paper on the
> problems with Hyperketonemia?
"This study demonstrates that incubation of AA with normal RBCs in
phosphate-buffered saline (37 degrees C for 24 h) resulted in marked
GSH depletion, oxidized glutathione accumulation, hydroxyl radical
generation, and increased membrane lipid peroxidation. Increases in
oxygen radicals and lipid peroxidation and depletion of GSH in RBCs
were not observed with BHB or ACE treatments. Similarly, there was a
significant generation of superoxide ion radicals even in a cell-free
buffer solution of AA, but not in that of BHB. The presence of BHB
together with AA did not influence the capacity of AA to generate
oxygen radicals in a cell-free solution or the increase in lipid
peroxidation of RBCs incubated with AA."
"RESULTS: After normalization versus total lipids, levels of lipid
peroxidation were significantly higher in the plasma of hyperketonemic
diabetic patients (P < 0.05), but not in normoketonemic diabetic
patients, compared with age-matched normal volunteers. In addition, low
ketonemia was associated with lower lipid peroxidation levels when
lipid peroxidation and ketonemia were determined in the same patient (n
= 7) at two different clinic visits."
"Human umbilical venous endothelial cells (HUVEC) were cultured for 24
h at 37 degrees C with ketone bodies (acetoacetate,
beta-hydroxybutyrate). Acetoacetate, but not beta-hydroxybutyrate,
caused an increase in lipid peroxidation and growth inhibition in
cultured HUVEC. To determine whether ketone bodies generate oxygen
radicals, studies using cell-free buffered solution were performed.
They showed a significant superoxide dismutase (SOD) inhibitable
reduction of cytochrome C by acetoacetate, but not by
beta-hydroxybutyrate, suggesting the generation of superoxide anion
radicals by acetoacetate. Additional studies show that Fe2+ potentiates
oxygen radical generation by acetoacetate. Thus, elevated levels of
ketone body acetoacetate can generate oxygen radicals and cause lipid
peroxidation in endothelial cells, providing a possible mechanism for
the increased incidence of vascular disease in diabetes."
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Atheist wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you.
> > >
> >
> > We have got Earthquack bang to rights here.
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you continue to be lost.
>
I was talking about you, not to you.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > Your heart would stop beating if I stopped praying for you.
> > > >
> > >
> > > We have got Earthquack bang to rights here.
> >
> > Name-calling simply shows that you continue to be lost.
>
> I was talking about you, not to you.
Actually, this is unmoderated usenet which is closer akin to a bulletin
board than a watercooler:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b52dcee3ebf75dfb?
holy spirit, Batman!
> Actually, this is unmoderated usenet which is closer akin to a bulletin
> board than a watercooler:
So, in other words, you can't hear the hunderds of people laughing at
you in incredulous amusement?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Actually, this is unmoderated usenet which is closer akin to a bulletin
> > board than a watercooler:
> >
>
> So, in other words, you can't hear the hunderds of people laughing at
> you in incredulous amusement?
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f9b4caf338c73d45?
"Nothing audible will come from the lips of the dead." -- Holy Spirit
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
tund...@hotmail.com
You are an offensive prick of the first magnitude.
TC
www.pulpitfire.org
in article <1159975465.6...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
tund...@hotmail.com wrote:
I would like to ask a favor of everyone who responds to Chung, to
please put his name in the Subject line, so I can automatically
kill-file threads that contain his posts.
Thank you
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this finished work alone for salvation (1 Cor. 15:1-3;
Eph. 2:8-10).
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Can you actually post a link, or the title of a research paper on the
> > > problems with Hyperketonemia?
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/j9l4q
> >
**emphasis** added.
> > phosphate-buffered saline (37 degrees C for 24 h) resulted in marked
> > GSH depletion, oxidized glutathione accumulation, hydroxyl radical
> > generation, and increased membrane lipid peroxidation. Increases in
> > oxygen radicals and lipid peroxidation and depletion of GSH in RBCs
> > were not observed with BHB or ACE treatments. Similarly, there was a
> > significant generation of superoxide ion radicals even in a cell-free
> > buffer solution of AA, but not in that of BHB. The presence of BHB
> > together with AA did not influence the capacity of AA to generate
> > oxygen radicals in a cell-free solution or the increase in lipid
> > peroxidation of RBCs incubated with AA."
>
> So, my understanding here is what the concluded:
> "This study demonstrates that elevated levels of the ketone body AA can
> increase lipid peroxidation and lower GSH levels of RBCs in people with
> type 1 diabetes."
The in vitro study was done using RBCs from normal people. See
**emphasis** above.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/j9l4q
> > > >
> > > > "This study demonstrates that incubation of AA with **normal** RBCs in
> >
> > **emphasis** added.
> >
> > > > phosphate-buffered saline (37 degrees C for 24 h) resulted in marked
> > > > GSH depletion, oxidized glutathione accumulation, hydroxyl radical
> > > > generation, and increased membrane lipid peroxidation. Increases in
> > > > oxygen radicals and lipid peroxidation and depletion of GSH in RBCs
> > > > were not observed with BHB or ACE treatments. Similarly, there was a
> > > > significant generation of superoxide ion radicals even in a cell-free
> > > > buffer solution of AA, but not in that of BHB. The presence of BHB
> > > > together with AA did not influence the capacity of AA to generate
> > > > oxygen radicals in a cell-free solution or the increase in lipid
> > > > peroxidation of RBCs incubated with AA."
> > >
> > > So, my understanding here is what the concluded:
> > > "This study demonstrates that elevated levels of the ketone body AA can
> > > increase lipid peroxidation and lower GSH levels of RBCs in people with
> > > type 1 diabetes."
> >
> > The in vitro study was done using RBCs from normal people. See
> > **emphasis** above.
>
In truth, there is no mistake here.
You have been warned.
You may certainly choose to proceed at your own peril.
You will have no one to blame except yourself for the consequences that
will arise.
The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your behalf
is done.
Please consider yourself informed in your choice to continue with a
low-carb diet.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating.
Hollywood
Please demonstrate my error. I have gone to great pains to try to
explain where I think you are in the wrong on this matter. I feel that
if you are going to make blanket statements like "In truth, there is no
mistake here," you are going to have to make an attempt to explain
yourself. No one will heed your advice or follow your diet if you
cannot refute people like me. Hell, I don't even have a PhD or an MD.
If I had gone to Evil Medical School, I am sure I could break your
hypothesis down a lot more aggressively. But really, that's not the
point. The point was to understand the motivation for your continued
assaults on a SUPPORT newsgroups.
> You have been warned.
If I develop Type 1 diabetes (maybe if I get in a car accident and hurt
my pancreas), I will be sure to heed your warning.
> You may certainly choose to proceed at your own peril.
I don't feel that you have demonstrted a peril for anyone who can
produce insulin internally.
> You will have no one to blame except yourself for the consequences that
> will arise.
I promise to report to you regularly on my misery as my health falls
apart. Thus far, I have lowered my blood pressure from 128/83 to
108/72, while taking a medication with a side effect of RAISING my BP.
I have shed 20.5 lbs. I have altered the composition of my body from
32% fat to 29% fat (using the waist-wrist method, the
waist-hips-forearm-wrist method and my electrical impedance scale,
which all agreed at 32% and all agree at 29% currently). I have, to
date, only moderately increased my exercise (I now sit on a ball
instead of a chair for 1/2 the work day, and use stairs instead of the
elevator. More changes to come soon). I feel wonderful. We shall see
how my autoimmune diseases are responding over time, though I am
treating one of them with replacement hormone. Since I haven't fallen
into a hard coma yet, I assume they are doing their thing.
> The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your behalf
> is done.
Can we interpret this as, "I am done crossposting everything I write to
ASDLC?" If so, my work here is done, and I can go back to sharing
recipes and tips.
> Please consider yourself informed in your choice to continue with a
> low-carb diet.
In that, nothing has changed from last week. Or the week before that.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating.
And yours as well.
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
Now, the discussion of this could probably fill encyclopediae. I leave
that for the less secularly inclined.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>From the PDF of the full article:
"Blood was collected into tubes containing EDTA from normal human
volunteers
according to a protocol approved by the Institutional Human Experiments
Review Committee. The EDTA blood was centrifuged, and the clear plasma
and
the buffy coat were discarded. The RBC suspension was filtered through
cotton
wool to remove any leftover leukocytes. The resultant cells were washed
with a
cold 0.15 mol/l sodium chloride solution three times after a 1:10
dilution."
Source:
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/reprint/48/9/1850.pdf
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your behalf
>is done.
Excellent! Then you will be leaving?
--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Gratefully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspertame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your behalf
> >is done.
>
> Excellent! Then you will be leaving?
When the LORD wills it.
GOD's will be done and not my will.
May HE continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>> >The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your behalf
>> >is done.
>>
>> Excellent! Then you will be leaving?
>
Are you claiming that your "lord" wills you to troll and cause
offense?
>GOD's will be done and not my will.
Does this "god" of yours present himself to you as a voice in your
head?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your behalf
> >> >is done.
> >>
> >Gene Goldman wrote:
> >> Excellent! Then you will be leaving?
> >
> >When the LORD wills it.
>
> Are you claiming that your "lord" wills you to troll and cause
> offense?
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
> >GOD's will be done and not my will.
>
> Does this "god" of yours present himself to you as a voice in your
> head?
No.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
THY will be done and not my will:
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Gene whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > "Blood was collected into tubes containing EDTA from normal human
> > volunteers according to a protocol approved by the Institutional Human Experiments
> > Review Committee. The EDTA blood was centrifuged, and the clear plasma
> > and the buffy coat were discarded. The RBC suspension was filtered through
> > cotton wool to remove any leftover leukocytes. The resultant cells were washed
> > with a cold 0.15 mol/l sodium chloride solution three times after a 1:10
> > dilution."
>
Data is data and not a strawman's argument.
Truth is simple.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Blood was collected into tubes containing EDTA from normal human
> > > > volunteers according to a protocol approved by the Institutional Human Experiments
> > > > Review Committee. The EDTA blood was centrifuged, and the clear plasma
> > > > and the buffy coat were discarded. The RBC suspension was filtered through
> > > > cotton wool to remove any leftover leukocytes. The resultant cells were washed
> > > > with a cold 0.15 mol/l sodium chloride solution three times after a 1:10
> > > > dilution."
> > >
> > > This is ultimately a strawman.
> >
> > Data is data and not a strawman's argument.
>
That this is data is obvious to the most casual observer.
> Your WHOLE argument on this subject is a
> strawman.
My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either argue
or to convince.
You have been informed of data that show that "hyperketonemia causes
lipid peroxidation."
Now see the "Subject:" line to complete the proof on your own.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear neighbor Brenda whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Brenda (NZ) wrote:
> OH DEAR
>
> After not reading alt.support.dite.lowcarb for a few years, i came back here
> because I am desperate, and I've been thinking for months that I should go
> back low carb again. I was one of the founding members of this NG (1998).
> Anyone remember Debbie Cusick, Diva, Rosie, Myra, Cali, and others?
>
> All the swearing and nastiness in this posts reminds me of why I left. I
> thought it was just the 1500 posts per day :-) and I came back to see if
> that number had lessened a bit, gotten more manageable. But reading this, I
> don't want to take part.
>
> If anyone from the old days remembers me (Brenda) feel free to drop me a
> line. brenda at ihug.co.nz.
>
> Brenda (at an all time high and feeling [as I said] desperate)
>
>
>
> >
> >> Hey Asshole.
> >
> > Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
> >
> >> Is the 1kg-omer low-carb?
> >
> > The 2PD-OMER Approach can be dove-tailed with a low-carb diet.
> >
> > In time, all will discover that with the 2PD-OMER Approach, the
> > low-carb dieting is not requiring for becoming lean&trim.
> >
> >> No?
> >
> > See above.
> >
> >> Then fuck off and go post
> >> someplace else.
> >
> > Sorry this post bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> > iniquities.
> >
> >> Nobody here wants to hear your bullshit.
> >
> > My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to be heard.
> >
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
> > unconditionally.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> > Andrew <><
> > --
> > Andrew B. Chung
> > Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
> >
> > As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> > unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
> >
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Hollywood wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Blood was collected into tubes containing EDTA from normal human
> > > > > volunteers according to a protocol approved by the Institutional Human Experiments
> > > > > Review Committee. The EDTA blood was centrifuged, and the clear plasma
> > > > > and the buffy coat were discarded. The RBC suspension was filtered through
> > > > > cotton wool to remove any leftover leukocytes. The resultant cells were washed
> > > > > with a cold 0.15 mol/l sodium chloride solution three times after a 1:10
> > > > > dilution."
> > > >
> > > > This is ultimately a strawman.
> > >
> > > Data is data and not a strawman's argument.
> >
> > You didn't prove that.
>
> That this is data is obvious to the most casual observer.
The part of the data that you fail to mention, the anti-oxidant
inhibition of the lipid peroxidation process, is the part that causes
your entire argument to be a strawman. The requirements of doing any of
the major LC diets that I have reviewed (Atkins, ProPower, ProPower
LifePlan) would supply the antioxidant vitamins and such that will
prevent the peroxidation. That makes MOOT your entire argument. If you
didn't clip my arguments and X-post them very wide, it would be clear
to ANYONE who read it. In your view of the world, the LORD knows it
already, since HE would be omniscient. HE (if He existed) knows that
you are very wrong, a terrible X-poster, a butcher or arguments, and
completely lost on this subject.
> > Your WHOLE argument on this subject is a
> > strawman.
>
> My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either argue
> or to convince.
We have been informed that you don't really understand what you are
reading, have an agenda, or havebeen tricked by the devil. That
information has been well spread by now. So, quit posting to our group.
Keep it in some group like Alt.Nonsense.Religion.Nutrition.Junk.
> You have been informed of data that show that "hyperketonemia causes
> lipid peroxidation."
And that AntiOxidants prevent peroxidation in a hyperketonemic
environment. Therefore, I shouldn't worry, getting plenty of them as
part of my LC diet.
> Now see the "Subject:" line to complete the proof on your own.
I completed it in the subject, so you will be sure to take note.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
> unconditionally.
In the interest of scientific discovery, I want you to take a month off
from praying for all of our hearts to keep beating. We can monitor
heart stoppages over that time to see if your prayers have any effect.
Since my heart beat for 33 years before you started praying for it, I
suspect it can handle another month without divine intervention on your
behalf.
-Hollywood, who appologizes for the X-post, but when your weasle is
both bringing it broader and cutting your words, you have to go to the
masses yourself. I'm sorry.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Blood was collected into tubes containing EDTA from normal human
> > > > > > volunteers according to a protocol approved by the Institutional Human Experiments
> > > > > > Review Committee. The EDTA blood was centrifuged, and the clear plasma
> > > > > > and the buffy coat were discarded. The RBC suspension was filtered through
> > > > > > cotton wool to remove any leftover leukocytes. The resultant cells were washed
> > > > > > with a cold 0.15 mol/l sodium chloride solution three times after a 1:10
> > > > > > dilution."
> > > > >
> > > > > This is ultimately a strawman.
> > > >
> > > > Data is data and not a strawman's argument.
> > >
> > > You didn't prove that.
> >
> > That this is data is obvious to the most casual observer.
>
> The part of the data that you fail to mention
The rest of the data neither contradicts nor supports the understanding
that:
"Hyperketonemia causes lipid peroxidation."
For this reason, it remains my choice to continue to focus on the harm
that is being perpetrated on the unsuspecting low-carbers out there who
are developing atherosclerosis because of their low-carb diet only to
be later subjected to blame from you and your accursed ilk for not
taking enough of the right kinds of anti-oxidants.
Pray tell what are the right anti-oxidants and the right amount of each
that a person should take to prevent the harm that is occurring?
No need to answer this rhetorical question for which only GOD knows the
answer.
"Wise is the man who seeks the infinite will of GOD through prayer." --
Holy Spirit
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Hollywood wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Hollywood wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Blood was collected into tubes containing EDTA from normal human
> > > > > > > > volunteers according to a protocol approved by the Institutional Human Experiments
> > > > > > > > Review Committee. The EDTA blood was centrifuged, and the clear plasma
> > > > > > > > and the buffy coat were discarded. The RBC suspension was filtered through
> > > > > > > > cotton wool to remove any leftover leukocytes. The resultant cells were washed
> > > > > > > > with a cold 0.15 mol/l sodium chloride solution three times after a 1:10
> > > > > > > > dilution."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is ultimately a strawman.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Data is data and not a strawman's argument.
> > > > >
> > > > > You didn't prove that.
> > > >
> > > > That this is data is obvious to the most casual observer.
> > >
> > > The part of the data that you fail to mention
> >
> > The rest of the data neither contradicts nor supports the understanding
> > that:
> >
> > "Hyperketonemia causes lipid peroxidation."
>
That is what I wrote along with that it does not add anything more to
the understanding.
> But you IGNORE their finding about
> antioxidants.
We already know that in vivo, antioxidants have failed to deliver on
the in vitro promise of preventing lipid peroxidation.
> I suspect it is impossible for GOD to let you figure that
> out.
Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > For this reason, it remains my choice to continue to focus on the harm
> > that is being perpetrated on the unsuspecting low-carbers out there who
> > are developing atherosclerosis because of their low-carb diet only to
> > be later subjected to blame from you and your accursed ilk for not
> > taking enough of the right kinds of anti-oxidants.
>
> This is a SUPPORT group. It is not a sales group. We do not recruit.
> People come, seeking knowledge.
This advisory provides knowledge.
>They are always told, buy the book,
> read the book, live the book before you freelance.
Wiser would be to not buy any book that advocates harmful
hyperketonemia as a means of suppressing appetite.
> I cannot recall
> anyone developing atheriosclerosis and then being blamed for doing the
> diet incorrectly.
You opened the door by writing that:
"The requirements of doing any of the major LC diets that I have
reviewed (Atkins, ProPower, ProPower LifePlan) would supply the
antioxidant vitamins and such that will prevent the peroxidation."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/c1d3852fb8d20046?
> I simply haven't seen that happen.
Writing as a cardiologist, I have.
> The only person
> here selling a half baked diet is actually you.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a book for sale.
> You are actively
> recruiting people to live very hungry lives
Hungry people are healthier people.
A healthy appetite is hunger.
>, the long term results of
> which are unknown.
Actually, the long term results are known:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
> It is possible, according to the reading that I
> posted a couple posts back, that your diet could induce hyperketonemia.
Again, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
Because of the requirement of physician supervision, folks are general
steered away from low-carb diets to avoid the possibility of
hyperketonemia.
> That would prove there is a GOD to me. Since practitioners are limited
> on their input on your diet, it is possible that they wouldn't have
> room for enough anti-oxidant rich foods to combat their lipid
> peroxidation.
Carbohydrates, by driving the Krebs cycle to produce reducing
equivalents (NADH and NADPH), prevent the hyperketonemia in the first
place plus they restore levels of reduced glutathione to mop up oxygen
radicals that normally arise from aerobic respiration.
> I suspect that this might very well be a problem
> 2.2LB-OMER diet practitioners could face.
The healthy appetite of those using the 2PD-OMER Approach to reduce
their intake to the optimal amount proves there is no hyperketonemia or
any other harm befalling these blessed folks.
> > Pray tell what are the right anti-oxidants and the right amount of each
> > that a person should take to prevent the harm that is occurring?
>
> This would certainly be a good area for subsequent study.
In truth, it has already been studied. The answer is that oral
antioxidant supplements fail to provide any benefit toward reducing
cardiovascular events. Please be sure to let me know if you would like
the PubMed citations that show their failure.
Hollywood
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
I discern no Lord, save those knighted by the Queen of England or other
monarchs. When you offer a peer reviewed proof, I will accept your
LORD. Till then, all of our fantasies are meaningless according to
Ecclesiastes.
> This advisory provides knowledge.
Nothing that anyone with an IQ of 12 couldn't find for themselves.
Thanks for providing it. It's unwelcome and nothing new. Much like your
continued posting to ASDLC. How many people have described their
displeasure with your continued presence, your false holiness, your
bogus nutriotional advice, your advocacy of hunger and everything else?
They cannot ALL be wrong.
> You opened the door by writing that:
>
> "The requirements of doing any of the major LC diets that I have
> reviewed (Atkins, ProPower, ProPower LifePlan) would supply the
> antioxidant vitamins and such that will prevent the peroxidation."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/c1d3852fb8d20046?
The diet is rich in antioxidants from food sources when done to spec.
You would know this if you took a day to read what you complain about.
> Writing as a cardiologist, I have.
How many patients have you treated with these symptoms? Personally? As
a cardiologist? Till you give this number, you have nothing and not
even your GOD will love you. And GOD supposedly loves everybody, so HE
wouldn't even count if he existed.
> The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a book for sale.
Then stop advocating it. Your advocacy is a sales job. There may be no
cash exchanged, but you are selling your goofy, starvation diet
none-the-less. You are actively recruiting. IF you weren't, you every
post would not have links to your goofiness. Your every post would not
mention the 2PD-OMER DIET.
As for it being a diet, here's a quote from your very own website:
"His 2 pound diet is a service..." Jerome Long (likely you)
Additionally, you post around DIET newsgroups with your advocacy of
your "approach" as the god given alternative to their current DIETS. If
you are the alternative to all DIETS, doesn't that make you a DIET too?
> Hungry people are healthier people.
Tell that to the kids in rural India. Ethiopia. Wherever.
> A healthy appetite is hunger.
Hunger is nature's way of telling you to eat something. Staying hungry
is your way of saying, ignore nature.
> Actually, the long term results are known:
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
5-years, no peer review. If it wasn't peer reviewed, it didn't happen.
Also, what was the total mortality of the 2PD-OMER Diet vs. people on
anything else 5 years out? How about mood? Anything? Your press release
doesn't give much info. They are also very poorly written. It's like
you didn't know what to write without your usual twenty lines of
religion clap trap.
PS- No one believes that 100% of anyone stays with anything except
breathing and dying. It reeks of lies.
> > It is possible, according to the reading that I
> > posted a couple posts back, that your diet could induce hyperketonemia.
>
> Again, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
Symantics. I assumed you could do better Andy. I dunno. Maybe you
can't.
> Because of the requirement of physician supervision, folks are general
> steered away from low-carb diets to avoid the possibility of
> hyperketonemia.
My physician is fully on board with my LC. My friend, a doctor at a
major hospital in a major east coast city, was the one to get me
started with LC. My father's doctor was also very supportive of his
adoption of LC. Oh, by the way, he is five years out and in much better
health than whe he started. We haven't seen any of the signs of lipid
peroxidation.
> Carbohydrates, by driving the Krebs cycle to produce reducing
> equivalents (NADH and NADPH), prevent the hyperketonemia in the first
> place plus they restore levels of reduced glutathione to mop up oxygen
> radicals that normally arise from aerobic respiration.
That's not what the leading scientists working on the problem say. In
fact, they are suggesting that ketones are pretty harmless, your three
studies (two of which were terribly flawed for the purposes you are
using them for) not withstanding.
> The healthy appetite of those using the 2PD-OMER Approach to reduce
> their intake to the optimal amount proves there is no hyperketonemia or
> any other harm befalling these blessed folks.
Doubtful. I assume the prayer keeps their metabolic syndrome in check.
> In truth, it has already been studied. The answer is that oral
> antioxidant supplements fail to provide any benefit toward reducing
> cardiovascular events. Please be sure to let me know if you would like
> the PubMed citations that show their failure.
The crux of the issue. You might have said this last week and several
posts ago. But you didn't. Because you know the answer already. LC is
high in antioxidants naturally. We eat berries that are high. We eat
meat with zinc and selenium. If I can't get it from food, and I can't
get it from oral supplements, I guess I don't need it to live, since I
can't get it anywhere.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
> understand this, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
May GOD hit you with a lightning bolt to the head and show you where
you've gone so horribly wrong.
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Vain prayers are meaningless in HIS eyes, I'm told. I personally don't
believe in bedtime stories for kids, so I wouldn't know.
> As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
> unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
> (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
This would be the meaningless types of repetition that Jesus, via
Matthew, was talking about in Matthew 6:1-8.
Hollywood, amazed.
"Men go crazy in congregations, they only get better one by one."
-Gordon Sumners.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f6a0e23edf9b7a32?
> > Without the LORD, your fantasies are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> I discern no Lord
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by listing what
he does not see:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/213405b65c04ea11?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
>resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
"People without the truth"?
It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
> >resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
>
> "People without the truth"?
Yes.
> It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
> resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
Yes, that is what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Gene whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Gene Goldman
wrote:
>> >It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
>> >resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
>> "People without the truth"?
>Yes.
I see. From where do you claim to have derived the authority to Judge
who is with and who is without truth?
>> It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
>> resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
>Yes, that is what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write.
I see. This "spirit" of yours guides you to call people names?
Interesting.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
> >> >resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
> >> "People without the truth"?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> I see.
Actually, you don't:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/213405b65c04ea11?
> From where do you claim to have derived the authority to Judge
> who is with and who is without truth?
Having a discerning heart is a spiritual gift from GOD:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3fa4ecde07979a5a?
> >> It is sad to see people without the truth lacking the strength to
> >> resist the temptation of descending into name-calling.
> >
> >Yes, that is what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write.
>
> I see.
Actually, you don't.
> This "spirit" of yours guides you to call people names?
No:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15abbb67b6ccdd62?
> Interesting.
Such is the power of prayer.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> I found some apples for you.
>
> "The results of this study indicate that an antioxidant supplemented
> drink can reduce lipid peroxidation and LDL oxidation..."
> So, they gave some smokers tomato juice. They pulled the Folgers
> Anti-Oxidant fortification switch and didn't tell any of their smokers
> about it. And they found that the markers of LPO dropped in the people
> with the fortification group. Amazing. You can have your cake and smoke
> it too.
> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_n9_v17/ai_21199566
Wiser to simply stop smoking.
Similarly wiser to avoid hyperketonemia.
> "An increased risk was also seen for legumes, salad, eggs, cheese,
> yogurt, protein and ///TOTAL CARBOHYDRATE INTAKE///, while a decreased
It is wise to avoid overeating.
This can be done by using the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
> risk was found for **breads**, fruit other than those rich in carotenoids
**emphasis** added.
> or ascorbic acid and wine." emphasis mine.
> Apparently Carbs have problems, especially potatoes. Meanwhile, our
> good old LC fruits (the ones without carotenoids and ascorbic acid) and
> the liquid art known as wine (encouraged on PPLP) cut your LPO.
> Amazing. I could swear I said something to that effect.
> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_12_22/ai_112210293
"Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our
daily **bread**..." -- LORD Jesus Christ teaching HIS disciples how to
pray.
Amen.
See **emphasis** above.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you
to supply proof that HE is indeed our Creator.
> "This study is the first to demonstrate that daily intake of red wine
> reduces the susceptibility of plasma and LDL to lipid peroxidation,
> while daily intake of white wine increases it."
> Buy red. BTW, I dunno if I mentioned it, but PPLP encourages you to
> drink the red color of the liquid art. I admit, this is an easy part of
> the Approach to do. I cannot speak for the current iteration of Atkins,
> but I do recall that you were allowed the product of the vintner's hand
> if you could fit it.
> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0887/is_n4_v14/ai_16896771
Wiser to avoid hyperketonemia especially if you have hypertension which
would be worsened by daily red wine intake.
> "Results of the present study demonstrated that vitamin E decreases LDL
> susceptibility to oxidation in both normotensive subjects and
> hypertensive patients." and "Our data suggests a protective effect for
> antioxidative treatment with vitamin E on the increased risk of
> vascular disease caused by a reduction in the oxidative modification of
> LDL. Thus, as LDL oxidation plays a key role in the development of
> atherogenesis, antioxidants may act as potential antiatherogenic
> medications."
> I want you to note that they gave their hypertensives and normotensives
> their Vitamin E orally, with breakfast. So, so much for that theory
> too. Their findings are on page 3. Then, there are three pages of
> endnotes. Fascinating that they could be so well researched and not
> come to your conclusions.
> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3874/is_200301/ai_n9211227/pg_1
The HOPE trial has proven that vitamin E is of zero benefit in
preventing cardiovascular events. Subsequent smaller follow-up trials
produced data that suggest even possible harm.
> I could post and post and post what I found, but with your 2LB
> approach, I figured your stomach capacity has probably decreased and
> more might fill you to overfull.
Neologism does not bode well for your cognitive functioning.
> SIDE NOTE: The 2PD-OMER diet would seem to be a diet, per the American
> Herritage 4th edition's second definition of the noun form of the word.
> That reads "A regulated **selection** of foods, as for medical reasons or
**emphasis** added.
> cosmetic weight loss." Since you claim that the 2PD-OMER diet involves
> restricting the intake of food in general, will effect weight loss and
> have great health benefits, I believe we can definitely call it a diet.
See **emphasis** above.
>
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/36/D0213600.html
>
> Since most LC plans that I have read include at least an exercise
> regimen in conjunction with the dietary restriction on carbs, I think
> we can fairly call them approaches rather than diets. In fact, the
> Protein Power Life Plan works through 7 different areas including
> stress management, exercise, stretching, learning and diet, I think we
> cannot call it simply a diet. The diet portion is the fabled Pareto
> Portion (the 20% that gives 80% of the results), but if you are not
> doing the rest, you are not living the Life Plan. As we say around
> here, Read the book, do the plan.
Wiser to understand that "eat right and exercise" is a false mantra and
that "eat less" is the true one.
> How do you like them apples?
There are no apples here.
> I pray for your enlightenment to reality.
Without the LORD, all that you do is meaningless (Ecclesiastes)
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to find
the truth, dear neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Hollywood
Apparently, if you are a man, and you take the supplement as described,
you can lower your incidence of cancer by a third. You can also drop
your total mortality by 37%.
The author also makes note about one of your widely circulated,
frequently cited studies on Vitamin E toxicity. First off, you need to
be clear on the dose, since we are talking 400IU in your toxic study. I
take 100IU in my multi + 20IU in my EFA. These are, by the way, mixed
tocopherols and tocotrienols. The studies that demonstrate risk use
high dose of Alpha tocopherol.
While we're here, peep this one:
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/19
Lemme give you their summation of their findings. They write it better
than I could.
"There were no group or interaction (fiber × time) main effects, but
significant time effects were observed for several variables. Energy
intake was spontaneously reduced (-30.5%). This was accompanied by an
increase in protein intake (96.2 ± 29.8 g/d to 107.3 ± 29.7 g/d) and
methionine intake (2.25 ± 0.7 g/d, to 2.71 ± 0.78 g/d; P < 0.001).
Trans fatty acid intake was significantly reduced (-38.6%) while
dietary folate was unchanged, as was plasma homocysteine. Bodyweight
(-7.5 ± 2.5 kg) was reduced as was plasma Lp(a) (-11.3%). Changes in
plasma Lp(a) correlated with reductions in LDL-cholesterol (r = .436, P
< 0.05) and fat loss (r = .385, P < 0,05). At wk 12, both CRP (-8.1%)
and TNF-a (-9.3%) were reduced (P < 0.05) independently of weight
loss. IL-6 concentrations were unchanged."
They then conclude:
"A diet based on restricting carbohydrates leads to spontaneous caloric
reduction and subsequent improvement in emerging markers of CVD in
overweight/obese men who are otherwise healthy."
Wow! So, you switch the carb flow off, and you find that they eat less.
That'd be in line with your recommendation, except they probably were
not hungry all the time. Then, they kept the carbs out and most of
their "new" markers for CardioVascularDisease went down. Their
traditional markers were observed in another study. Their LDL go down.
Their TriGlycerides too. Their HDL go up. Their big and medium VLDL go
down. And their remaining LDL got all big and puffy and cotton
candy-like. Rather than hard and mean and BB like. Oh yeah, their
patients lost 7.5KG, which is 16.5LBS here in the US and reduced their
abdominal fat (that really bad stuff that supposedly shows you are
hurting your heart) by 20-Freaking-percent! All that in 12 weeks!!!
Tell me I can get those results with the 2PD-OMER diet. In 12 weeks.
Amazing. Those folks rock. Like I said, I can find em and post em until
the break of dawn (somewhere).
-Hollywood, reminding you that Genesis 45:18 suggests the fat of the
land was something worth schlepping from Egypt to Canaan and back for.
I think I'll eat some high fat almonds in their memory.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_261/ai_n13471780/print
>
> Apparently, if you are a man, and you take the supplement as described,
> you can lower your incidence of cancer by a third. You can also drop
> your total mortality by 37%.
The findings of this study are likely spurious for four reasons:
(1) There were no statistically significant differences between the
treatment and control groups despite large number of subjects (more
than 17,000) and long duration of follow-up (more than 7 years).
(2) Breaking out the men resulted in a large statistically significant
all cause survival benefit in the treatment group compared to the
placebo group without a counterbalancing effect in the opposite
direction for the women suggesting that there are internal
inconsistences in how the breakout analysis was done.
(3) There was no reduction in cardiovascular deaths which was the
prospective focus in the study design. Retrospective re-looks at other
things when the prospective focus yielded naught are notoriously
unreliable.
(4) Similar findings have not been seen elsewhere in other studies.
> The author also makes note about one of your widely circulated,
> frequently cited studies on Vitamin E toxicity. First off, you need to
> be clear on the dose, since we are talking 400IU in your toxic study. I
> take 100IU in my multi + 20IU in my EFA. These are, by the way, mixed
> tocopherols and tocotrienols. The studies that demonstrate risk use
> high dose of Alpha tocopherol.
The author also makes note that they "finally" have a study to justify
anti-oxidant supplements. It is wise to regard such bias warily.
> While we're here, peep this one:
> http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/19
>
> Lemme give you their summation of their findings. They write it better
> than I could.
>
> "There were no group or interaction (fiber × time) main effects, but
> significant time effects were observed for several variables. Energy
> intake was spontaneously reduced (-30.5%). This was accompanied by an
> increase in protein intake (96.2 ± 29.8 g/d to 107.3 ± 29.7 g/d) and
> methionine intake (2.25 ± 0.7 g/d, to 2.71 ± 0.78 g/d; P < 0.001).
> **Trans fatty acid intake was significantly reduced (-38.6%)** while
**emphasis** added.
> dietary folate was unchanged, as was plasma homocysteine. Bodyweight
> (-7.5 ± 2.5 kg) was reduced as was plasma Lp(a) (-11.3%). Changes in
> plasma Lp(a) correlated with reductions in LDL-cholesterol (r = .436, P
> < 0.05) and fat loss (r = .385, P < 0,05). At wk 12, both CRP (-8.1%)
> and TNF-a (-9.3%) were reduced (P < 0.05) independently of weight
> loss. IL-6 concentrations were unchanged."
>
> They then conclude:
> "A diet based on restricting carbohydrates leads to spontaneous caloric
> reduction and subsequent improvement in emerging markers of CVD in
> overweight/obese men who are otherwise healthy."
>
> Wow! So, you switch the carb flow off, and you find that they eat less.
> That'd be in line with your recommendation, except they probably were
> not hungry all the time. Then, they kept the carbs out and most of
> their "new" markers for CardioVascularDisease went down. Their
> traditional markers were observed in another study. Their LDL go down.
> Their TriGlycerides too. Their HDL go up. Their big and medium VLDL go
> down. And their remaining LDL got all big and puffy and cotton
> candy-like. Rather than hard and mean and BB like.
These favorable changes in lipid profile likely are due primarily to
the decrease in trans fat intake and not reductions in carbohydrate
intake. See **emphasis** above.
> Oh yeah, their
> patients lost 7.5KG, which is 16.5LBS here in the US and reduced their
> abdominal fat (that really bad stuff that supposedly shows you are
> hurting your heart) by 20-Freaking-percent! All that in 12 weeks!!!
> Tell me I can get those results with the 2PD-OMER diet. In 12 weeks.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
The average weight loss for the overweight in 12 weeks using the
2PD-OMER Approach is around 15 lbs, VAT (visceral adipose tissue aka
intra-abdominal fat) first followed by SCAT (sub-cutaneous adipose
tissue) and no muscle loss. This means a typicall loss of 100% of the
VAT for the overweight.
> Amazing.
Not really. The intra-abdominal fat (aka visceral adipose tissue or
VAT) is caused by over-eating and not by eating carbs. Address the
cause directly and you get direct results. VAT is the last fat to
accumulate and with eating less, it is the first fat to be used up.
All other approaches don't address the cause directly and so the
results are less that satisfactory. 20% is not satisfactory when every
ounce of VAT is clearly harmful.
The analogy is this:
If you are lost in the woods, the way back out is retracing your steps.
> Those folks rock. Like I said, I can find em and post em until
> the break of dawn (somewhere).
The truth will trump all your efforts to deceive. Such is the utility
of a discerning heart.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
> -Hollywood, reminding you that Genesis 45:18 suggests the fat of the
> land was something worth schlepping from Egypt to Canaan and back for.
> I think I'll eat some high fat almonds in their memory.
The fat of the land described in Genesis 45:18 was the stored up grain
which would have been eaten as bread.
GOD is great.
Laus Deo ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
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cha-cha, and screamed:
> Gene Goldman wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >The work of informing you that GOD would have me do here on your
>> >> >behalf is done.
>> >>
>> >Gene Goldman wrote:
>> >> Excellent! Then you will be leaving?
>> >
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >When the LORD wills it.
>>
>> Are you claiming that your "lord" wills you to troll and cause offense?
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
Your thin skin simply shows that you are dishonest.
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Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>> I see.
>Actually, you don't:
Mr. Chung,
How do you claim to know what I see and what I do not? Do you claim
to be omniscient?
>> From where do you claim to have derived the authority to Judge
>> who is with and who is without truth?
>Having a discerning heart is a spiritual gift from GOD:
So you think this god of yours wants you to judge others?
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Gene whom I
>love unconditionally.
Your homosexual fantacies notwithstanding, your desire for me is none
of my business.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> I see.
> >Actually, you don't:
>
> Mr. Chung,
> How do you claim to know what I see and what I do not?
Such is the utility of a discerning heart:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9de1111c4a805445?
> Do you claim to be omniscient?
No. Only GOD the Father is omniscient:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4dee2b3057fe9ec?
> >> From where do you claim to have derived the authority to Judge
> >> who is with and who is without truth?
> >
> >Having a discerning heart is a spiritual gift from GOD:
> >
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3fa4ecde07979a5a?
>
> So you think this god of yours wants you to judge others?
It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Gene whom I
> >love unconditionally.
>
> Your homosexual fantacies notwithstanding, your desire for me is none
> of my business.
You are projecting the contents of your carnal mind:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a244cbad01caec33?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
Demon Lord of Confusion
issue further by squeaking:
>> Again, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> Symantics.
Um. "Semantics." HTH, HAND. M.;-{P}
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"Demon Lord of Confusion" <verwa...@verwirren.confused> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:57:05 -0700, Hollywood attempted to confuse the
> issue further by squeaking:
>
>>> Again, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> Symantics.
>
> Um. "Semantics." HTH, HAND. M.;-{P}
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