Re: Scripture and Discernment
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Scripture and Discernment
In the Holy Spirit, this bond-servant is guided to write the following
in response to what you have written. This is done with a discerning
heart not unlike the spiritual gift that was given to King Solomon when
he asked for it (1 Kings 3:9).
> Christians turn to the Bible in order to get our story right.
Actually, we turn to the Bible as one might turn to a road map.
*B*asic
*I*nstructions
*B*efore
*L*eaving
*E*arth
> The New
> Testament passes along the testimony of those who knew Jesus and His
> mission in person.
Except for Mark, Luke, and Apostle Paul who did not know Christ Jesus
prior to HIS crucifixion and yet were still called by HIM to pen large
amounts of the New Testament.
> For the early church after the apostles, for the
> Reformers, and for us today, we turn to Scripture because we know the
> Spirit speaks there.
Actually, the Holy Spirit guides us directly when we have GOD's love in
our hearts just as HE guided Mark, Luke, and Apostle Paul **before**
the Gospels were even written. This HE did to show us that HIS power
and authority does not come from Scripture but that the power and
authority of Scripture comes from HIM.
Without GOD's love in our hearts, there is no counsel from the Great
Counselor, Who is the Holy Spirit.
> It is Scripture that shows us the Spirit's
> priorities, and Scripture that shares with us the vision of the coming
> Kingdom. The Spirit works through Scripture, not against it. Through
> Scripture, we discover wisdom and direction. Without it, we fail to
> distinguish God's Purposes and Word from our purposes and words. This is
> true of what we think and do today, and it's also true of the past,
> including the traditions we most treasure. If the new or the old stands
> against Scripture or is used to thwart its central thrusts, we must
> stand with Scripture, or we will fall for anything.
There are those who have fallen for the textbook while forsaking the
Teacher. Without the Teacher Who is our GOD, the meaning of the
textbook is sealed just as it is sealed for the atheists and agnostics
who loiter about aimlessly here and there:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/213405b65c04ea11?
> This 'Scripture principle' is not there to hold the Spirit in chains. It
> is to be used in the light of freedom in Christ, knowing that Scripture
> does not directly address most matters. Instead of demanding direct
> 'Scriptural warrant' for a practice or course of action, it's better to
> seek these :
>
> 1.. that Scripture does not speak against it;
Scripture simply does not speak. The speaking you hear are the sounds
from the wagging tongues of those who would speak for GOD.
> 2.. that the practice or teaching conveys the Gospel, and is fully in
> keeping with the root and heart of Christian belief found in Scripture;
The heart of worship beats during ones walk with Christ Jesus and not
during the search through Scripture for something to justify ones
thoughts.
> 3.. that it turns the focus onto Christ, not persons, ideas,
> ideologies, organizations, wondrous signs, or activities;
This would be your free will, that generous gift from GOD given to all
souls.
> 4.. that it is truthful, not rooted in a lie or distortion.
This would be known only to those who have asked for and received a
discerning heart from the Holy Spirit.
> If these are all true, then no direct warrant is needed from Scripture,
> tradition, or for that matter, sometimes even from common sense. The
> Spirit has every right to lead us into new things that look like folly.
> The Holy Spirit is sovereign. Discernment is our finding out if it's the
> Holy Spirit and not someone else's folly.
A discerning heart is a spiritual gift from GOD that HE gives us when
we ask for it through prayer in Christ Jesus' name.
> There are some people who could stuff themselves with Scripture until it
> came out their noses, and they'd still refuse to let the Spirit teach
> them anything. They're seeking support, not truth. For the rest of us,
> the patient, prayerful, steady study of Scripture brings many rewards.
> The Spirit rewards such diligent listening by developing within us an
> understanding of why God acted in the past. Since the same God is acting
> today toward the same purposes, this gives us a sense of what God is
> doing now and what role we may have in it.
Studying the Holy Bible is not enough:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/213405b65c04ea11?
> The Scripture principle is not a substitute for the Spirit. It works
> only because the Spirit works through Scripture. We rely on that truth
> when we read the Scriptures in earnest prayer. Without the Spirit's
> action, the Bible's pages would lay still, moving your life no more than
> a dictionary or encyclopedia. If the Spirit is working in us, the Bible
> is aflame with truth and vision for every corner of our lives and for
> the whole world we live in. The Spirit wants us to study, to trust, and
> to shape our lives according to what is in Scripture; to steep it into
> our souls, to live by the contours and the world vision of the
> Scriptures. Noone can prove that the Bible is the authentic story of
> God's dealings with humanity. That has to be shown to each of us by the
> Holy Spirit.
Just as each person's walk with Christ is different, each person's
experience with the Holy Spirit will be different.
"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot
tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone
born of the Spirit." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 3:8)
> Anyone who denies the authority of the written Word in/for the church is
> also denying the Christ who is the living Word of God, and who is what
> the written Word is about. We cannot just nakedly 'go by the fruit',
> because it is Scripture which tells us what fruit we are to look for,
> and in what contexts they are the work of the Spirit.
Actually, it is the Holy Spirit Who guides us possibly through
Scripture or through anything else of HIS choosing.
> Scripture shapes an authentic Spirit-led experience, and sets the bounds
> for it.
Actually, nothing bounds a Spirit-let experience though Scripture may
enrich the experience. It is all up to the Holy Spirit. It is all up
to GOD's infinite will as it should be. HIS will and not our will.
> When we're looking for the course and purposes of what God is
> doing, Scripture ranks first.
No.
LORD Jesus Christ ranks first:
"KING of kings and LORD of lords." (Revelation 19:16)
Amen !
Laus Deo !
Marana tha !
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Vera whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
blackr...@yahoo.com
calv...@sysko.com
emotional state about any topic and refusal of any external corrective
reference. This includes conflating the pagan doctrine of "chi" taken
from the pagan religion taoism with the Holy Spirit and the magical
powers, including "discernment", it is said to provide when properly
applied.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Why don't you give it a try and see if your faith is strong enough.
>
> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51760
Reminds me of Simon Peter needing LORD Jesus Christ to rescue him when
he started sinking with doubt while walking on water.
In the Holy Spirit, things are simply done most assuredly without
doubt.
To see the usenet equivalent of walking on water, simply surf the links
below my sigs.
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Lisa whom I love
blackr...@yahoo.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> You have no doubts, do you?
In the Holy Spirit, there is no doubt.
> So why not give it a try?
In the Holy Spirit, far greater and more amazing things have already
been done.
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1156998137....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> ::: veralein ::: wrote:
>> Scripture and Discernment
>
> In the Holy Spirit, this bound-lunatic is guided to write the following
> in response to what you have written. This is done with a damaged
> mind not unlike the spiritual gift that was given at Jonestown and Waco.
>> Christians turn to the Bible in order to get our story right.
>
> Actually, we turn to the Bible as a fool might turn to the Three Stooges.
I think your mind is healing. Dear Andrew.
Morona Thon!
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1157041708.4...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> blackr...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Why don't you give it a try and see if your faith is strong enough.
>>
>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51760
>
> Reminds me of Simon Peter needing LORD Jesus Christ to rescue him when
> he started sinking with doubt while walking on water.
It does, huh? ;-))
He just didn't know jebus' trick.
> In the Holy Spirit, things are simply done most assuredly without
> doubt.
A good magician gets all the kinks worked out before going in front of the
audience.
> To see the usenet equivalent of walking on water, simply surf the links
> below my sigs.
We want to see YOU try, "fasting" boy.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <snip>
>... this bound-lunatic is guided to write the following
> in response to what you have written. This is done with a damaged
> mind not unlike the spiritual gift that was given at Jonestown and Waco.
You serve as an example of how atheism can quickly lead to satanism.
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1157081381.4...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>>... this bound-lunatic is guided to write the following
>> in response to what you have written. This is done with a damaged
>> mind not unlike the spiritual gift that was given at Jonestown and Waco.
>
> You serve as an example of how atheism can quickly lead to satanism.
Hahaahahahha.
Loss of sense of humor is a sign of possession by demons.
> May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love
> unconditionally.
Written love is closeted gayness.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1157081381.4...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
> >
> >> <snip>
> >>... this bound-lunatic is guided to write the following
> >> in response to what you have written. This is done with a damaged
> >> mind not unlike the spiritual gift that was given at Jonestown and Waco.
> >
> > You serve as an example of how atheism can quickly lead to satanism.
>
> Hahaahahahha.
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear neighbor Kurt whom I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Kurt Gavin
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157081381.4...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >
>> >> <snip>
>> >>... this bound-lunatic is guided to write the following
>> >> in response to what you have written. This is done with a damaged
>> >> mind not unlike the spiritual gift that was given at Jonestown and
>> >> Waco.
>> >
>> > You serve as an example of how atheism can quickly lead to satanism.
>>
>> Hahaahahahha.
>
> "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
What's the chapter and verse on that? I don't believe that's in the bible
any more than the Ecclesiastes quip you used to use.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Feather Forestwalker" wrote:
>
> > Christ Jesus' resurrected Body, for all intents and purposes, IS PHYSICAL,
> > or THOMAS would not have been able to touch His wounds.
>
> ... but it is also not purely physical because it appears out ofg nowhere in
> locked rooms.
>
> What happened to the physical body?????
It remains the resurrection body of GOD the Son.
> > John 20: 24 - 29
>
> Near the same passage in John's gospel it states ...
>
> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and your
> God"
>
> Does God have a God??????
Ask and answered already:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffdcc1ac23bd6ff3?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mark whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
MEHSC Moberator
>> > Christ Jesus' resurrected Body, for all intents and purposes, IS
>> > PHYSICAL,
>> > or THOMAS would not have been able to touch His wounds.
>> ... but it is also not purely physical because it appears out ofg nowhere
>> in
>> locked rooms.
>> What happened to the physical body?????
>
> It is the physical body of GOD.
God doesn't have a physical body as God is spirit.
>> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and
>> your
>> God"
>>
>> Does God have a God??????
>
> Asked and answered already:
Nope!
God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
Jesus of Nazareth has a God because Jesus is not God.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> > Christ Jesus' resurrected Body, for all intents and purposes, IS
> >> > PHYSICAL,
> >> > or THOMAS would not have been able to touch His wounds.
> >> ... but it is also not purely physical because it appears out ofg nowhere
> >> in
> >> locked rooms.
> >> What happened to the physical body?????
> >
> > It is the physical body of GOD.
>
> God doesn't have a physical body as God is spirit.
The Holy Spirit is only one of GOD's three persons.
GOD the Son has a physical resurrection body as will each of HIS
brethren.
> >> John 20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and
> >> your
> >> God"
> >>
> >> Does God have a God??????
> >
> > Asked and answered already:
>
> Nope!
Then why did you change your handle and snip the link to feign
ignorance ?
Here is the link again:
Message-ID: <1158888130.9...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffdcc1ac23bd6ff3?
> God (Yahweh) does NOT have a God!!!!
GOD the Father has GOD the Son.
> Jesus of Nazareth has a God because Jesus is not God.
GOD the Son has GOD the Father.
"The Father is in ME just as I am in the Father. Now that you know ME,
you also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
Mark T
>> >> Does God have a God??????
>> > Asked and answered already:
>> Nope!
...
Yahweh has no other God. Read ya bible .........
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Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
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Jesus said that Yahweh is spirit. "God is spirit, and those who worship Him
must worship him in spirit and truth" John 4: 24
Is Jesus of Nazareth (a human) really Yahweh (spirit) who brought the tribe
of Israel out of Egypt?????
Prove it.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >> Does God have a God??????
> >> > Asked and answered already:
> >> Nope!
Yes.
GOD the Father has GOD the Son.
> Yahweh has no other God. Read ya bible .........
>
> ################################################################
> Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who brought
> you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have NO
> GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
> ################################################################
There is only one GOD...
...GOD the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> Jesus said that Yahweh is spirit. "God is spirit, and those who worship Him
> must worship him in spirit and truth" John 4: 24
And so we, the brethren of Christ, worship GOD in the Holy Spirit and
in the Truth (LORD Jesus Christ).
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> Is Jesus of Nazareth (a human) really Yahweh (spirit) who brought the tribe
> of Israel out of Egypt?????
Yes. LORD Jesus Christ is GOD.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus
> Prove it.
"Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke with him (Moses), and
HE took of the Spirit that was on him (Moses) and put the Spirit on the
seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but
they did not do so again." (Numbers 11:25).
"Look, HE is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see HIM, even
those who pierced HIM; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn
because of HIM. So shall it be ! Amen." (Revelation 1:7).
Mark T
>> ################################################################
>> Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who
>> brought
>> you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have
>> NO
>> GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
>> ################################################################
....
>> Is Jesus of Nazareth (a human) really Yahweh (spirit) who brought the
>> tribe
>> of Israel out of Egypt?????
>
> Yes.
Prove it!
> "Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke with him (Moses), and
> HE took of the Spirit that was on him (Moses) and put the Spirit on the
> seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but
> they did not do so again." (Numbers 11:25).
The LORD in this passage is Yahweh not Jesus of Nazareth.
Do you speak more than one language? Think about translation.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> ################################################################
> >> Then God spoke all these words. He said: 'I am Yahweh your God who
> >> brought
> >> you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have
> >> NO
> >> GODS (INCLUDING JESUS) EXCEPT ME.' - Exodus 20: 1-2
> >> ################################################################
> ....
> >> Is Jesus of Nazareth (a human) really Yahweh (spirit) who brought the
> >> tribe
> >> of Israel out of Egypt?????
> >
> > Yes.
>
> Prove it!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2aa5f5b69a06b0e6?
> > "Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke with him (Moses), and
> > HE took of the Spirit that was on him (Moses) and put the Spirit on the
> > seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but
> > they did not do so again." (Numbers 11:25).
>
> The LORD in this passage is Yahweh not Jesus of Nazareth.
Christ Jesus is "KING of kings and LORD of lords." (Revelation 19:16)
> Do you speak more than one language?
Yes.
> Think about translation.
"KING of kings and LORD of lords." (Revelation 19:16)
Think about the Rosetta stone.