Re: Diabetes in India article
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> > Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
> > I sincerely hope they are able to
> > stem this tide through education or something.
> >
>
> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
brother Richard whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Jeff
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Uncle Enrico wrote:
>> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>> > Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
>> > I sincerely hope they are able to
>> > stem this tide through education or something.
>> >
>>
>> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
>
> One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
That's a bad solution. A much better solution is good diet and excercise. If
I am incorrect, please provide scientific articles in the peer-reviewed
press.
Until you are able to provide intelligent responses, I will not respond to
you again in this thread.
Jeff
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > Uncle Enrico wrote:
> >> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> >> > Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> > : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
> >> > I sincerely hope they are able to
> >> > stem this tide through education or something.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
> >
> > One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
> >
>
> That's a bad solution.
For some, it may be the only solution:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d?
> A much better solution is good diet and excercise.
There is no evidence that either or both helps people achieve lasting
weight loss.
Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> If
> I am incorrect, please provide scientific articles in the peer-reviewed
> press.
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Jeff whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
> Until you are able to provide intelligent responses, I will not respond to
sechumlib
<lov...@thetruth.com> said:
> Uncle Enrico wrote:
>> "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:ee9j3b$pcp$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>>> Uncle Enrico <Un...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> : http://tinyurl.com/e6c7x
>>> I sincerely hope they are able to
>>> stem this tide through education or something.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sure this problem will be solved eventually.
>
> One solution is the 2PD-OMER Approach:
Oh, bullshit.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
GrandpaChuck wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> >>
> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
> >
> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
> >obesity would have decelerated.
>
> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
entirely opposite effect.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >
> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
> >
> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>
Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
> Resurrection of the dead was also a common belief in many splinter
> religious groups throughout that part of the world at the time.
>
>
> --
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
> Americans killed in Iraq as of September 12, 2006 is 2,672. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
> More than 18,777 Americans wounded.
> 09/13/2006 it's 1232 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
> More Americans have died in Iraq and Afghanistan then died in the attacks on 9/11. For what?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 17:08:34 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Uh, why not in God's love and yours?
> >> >
> >> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
> >> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
> >>
> >> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
> >
> >Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
> >Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
> >informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
> >stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
> >placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
> >the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
> >Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
>
> people such as the Popes with an agenda down through the centuries.
No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
> >> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
> >> >
> >> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
> >> >obesity would have decelerated.
> >>
> >> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
> >
> >This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
> >entirely opposite effect.
>
> recommended when it was something they did not want to do?
Yesterday.
No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.
The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
experts.
They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
exercising" is a false mantra for lose weight.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
Al
> Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
> Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
> informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
> stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
> placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
> the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
> Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
>
FICTION!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> On 13 Sep 2006 18:03:33 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >> >Indeed, since the mantra "eat right and exercise" was issued by
> >> >> >> >physicians in the 1980's, rates of obesity have accelerated.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Do you have empirical evidence that is true for people who have
> >> >> >> followed the "eat right and exercise" advise? I doubt it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If the mantra were a true way to help folks lose weight, the rates of
> >> >> >obesity would have decelerated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not really, with human nature being what it is.
> >> >
> >> >This would explain a reduction in the anticipated effect and not an
> >> >entirely opposite effect.
> >>
> >> When did you last meet any person who did 100% of what a doctor
> >> recommended when it was something they did not want to do?
> >
> >Yesterday.
> >
> >No one wants to take the medicine their doctor has prescribed for them.
>
Your question is nonetheless answered.
> Following the
> doctor's advise about diet and exercise is entirely different and much
> harder to do.
Different but not necessarily harder to do.
Eating right: Many people have no problems with eating more fruits and
vegetables as doctors are advising.
Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
>
> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
exercise."
> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
> >experts.
>
> A very small minority of people, that is.
Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
indicate otherwise.
> >They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
> >exercising" is a false mantra for losing weight.
>
> Show proof. There isn't any.
The proof is in the documented acceleration in rates of obesity since
the mantra was issued in the 1980's:
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
> >love unconditionally.
>
> I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
> working.
You wouldn't know the difference.
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >
> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
>
No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
Don Kirkman
article <1158221637.1...@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
>based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
>experts.
SB *some* people are . . . . It's obvious most are not eating right and
exercising--obvious from observing people in their native habitat and
obvious by reading both media reports and academic studies.
>They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
>exercising" is a false mantra for lose weight.
They are gaining weight because, by and large, they are *not* following
the mantras.
**Mantras** are at best memory aids, and at worst magic. It's the
action suggested by a mantra that may or may not produce results.
This is true of all mantras, including the multitudes you post here.
--
Don Kirkman
Don Kirkman
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
>> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
>Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
>Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
>informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
>stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
>placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
>the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
>Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
In the phrase "would not believe it" the "it" is the appearance of Jesus
alive that Thomas doubted, not whether or not he was God's Son. He was
agnostic about the other disciples claim that they had seen Jesus, not
about theology.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Christian Agnostic "Doubting"
> >> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>
> >> I do not understand that statement at all. Please explain.
>
> >Thomas had missed out on the first appearance of the risen Christ
> >Jesus. When he rejoined his fellow disciples after this fact and was
> >informed about Jesus' appearance, Thomas refused to believe it and
> >stated that he would not believe it until he saw this for himself and
> >placed his fingers into the holes of our LORD's hands and his hand into
> >the wound in our LORD's side. Basically, he did not believe that LORD
> >Jesus Christ is GOD until the moment quoted above.
>
> In the phrase "would not believe it" the "it" is the appearance of Jesus
> alive that Thomas doubted, not whether or not he was God's Son. He was
> agnostic about the other disciples claim that they had seen Jesus, not
> about theology.
"Because you have seen ME, you have believed; blessed are those who
have not seen and yet have believed." -- LORD Jesus Christ speaking to
Thomas after he declares that Jesus is his GOD.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have time
to find the way, dear neighbor Don whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >
> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
> >>
> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
> >
> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
>
You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
> Americans killed in Iraq as of September 14, 2006 is 2,675. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 115.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
> More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
> 09/13/2006 it's 1233 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished in Iraq."
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
> Do you know the people that
> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >>
> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >
> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >exercise."
>
> Few and far between.
It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
and exercise" are "few and far between."
The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
is exactly what is happening.
Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
one for helping people lose weight.
> >> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
> >> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
> >> >experts.
> >>
> >> A very small minority of people, that is.
> >
> >Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
> >the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
> >indicate otherwise.
>
> So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?
Most of the people I know in Atlanta are my patients, who are among the
leanest&trimmest people around because they have been using the
2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight while "eating right and exercising" to
become more fit.
> >
> >> >They are gaining weight even faster because "eating right and
> >> >exercising" is a false mantra for losing weight.
> >>
> >> Show proof. There isn't any.
> >
> >The proof is in the documented acceleration in rates of obesity since
> >the mantra was issued in the 1980's:
> >
> >http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
> >
> >> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
> >> >love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> I pray my heart does not keep beating after my brain has ceased
> >> working.
> >
> >You wouldn't know the difference.
> >
> >> >
> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
> >
> >Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
>
> BULSHIT!
Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Just another superstition.
Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.
> Buddha never claimed to be a god.
Correct.
> I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
> put words in his mouth.
Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
> >> >>
> >> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
> >> >
> >> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >> I disagree completely.
> >
> >You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
> >all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>
Only the Creator has such infinite power and will and love and mercy
and grace.
> >
> >> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
> >
> >There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
>
> You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
GOD is an infinite Being with many names able to assume many forms and
to be present at multiple places simultaneously.
Most assuredly without doubt, GOD is omnipotent and omniscient.
> You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
> Jesus for it.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >>
> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
> >
> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
>
There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
> Many obese
> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
> >
> >> Do you know the people that
> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
> >
> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
>
> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
> was what I was talking about.
You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
have access to such places.
> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >> >>
> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >> >
> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >> >exercise."
> >>
> >> Few and far between.
> >
> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
>
> Exactly.
>
> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
> >is exactly what is happening.
>
> I don't believe that for one second.
Logically, it is undeniable.
> About as long as I believe in
> your phony two pound diet mantra.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
less" from the outset.
If the latter mantra had been on the lips of doctors since the 1980s,
there would not have been the acceleration in rates of obesity that we
have seen:
http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/trend/maps/
> >
> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
> >one for helping people lose weight.
>
> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
> Simmons is a prime example.
Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
> >> >> >Most assuredly without doubt people are "eating right and exercising"
> >> >> >based on the recommendations of their doctors and other obesity
> >> >> >experts.
> >> >>
> >> >> A very small minority of people, that is.
> >> >
> >> >Your own comments earlier about alcoholics/addicts and the fact that
> >> >the "eat right and exercise" industry is making billions of dollars
> >> >indicate otherwise.
> >>
> >> So you are seeing many fewer overweight people in the Atlanta area?
> >
> >Most of the people I know in Atlanta are my patients, who are among the
> >leanest&trimmest people around because they have been using the
> >2PD-OMER Approach to lose weight while "eating right and exercising" to
> >become more fit.
>
> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> If I understand your
> so called diet if I drink four eight ounce glasses of sugar free drink
> per day I wouldn't be allowed to eat anything. Right?
Incorrect.
> That is just
> plain assinine IMNSHO.
It is simply incorrect.
>
> >> >> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >>
> >> >> Prayerfully in Buddha's amazing love; and mine too.
> >> >
> >> >Buddha is dead, while Christ Jesus lives and saves.
> >>
> >> BULSHIT!
> >
> >Sorry the truth bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> >iniquities.
>
> Truth doesn't bother me at all.
Your use of profanity betrays what is in your heart.
> I just don't like to see the lies of the churches repeated as being
> fact when they are lies.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >> Just another superstition.
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, LORD Jesus Christ is the risen Savior.
>
> "Without doubt"?
Correct.
> As non-Christians if they believe that.
Born-again Christians know it.
> >> Buddha never claimed to be a god.
> >
> >Correct.
> >
> >> I don't believe Jesus did either, but the writers of the New Testament
> >> put words in his mouth.
> >
> >Actually, LORD Jesus Christ has been identified as GOD by several
> >witnesses that have reliably testified about the truth.
>
> So what?
The truth is absolute.
> Many people have claimed to have personally seen Buddha in
> the flesh long after his death too..
As you have written, he is not GOD.
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Don't quote your bible to me or other non-Christians please. I find it
> offensive.
What I have written above is what I have heard while in the Holy
Spirit.
To understand this, simply surf the links below my sigs.
> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
> >Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
>
> And many people in the Middle East and Greece areas that were members
> of other sects claimed to have seen risen dead holy people too.
None have been identified as GOD.
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Curing my diabetes?
Yes.
> Gimme a break!
Which leg ?
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >
> >Andrew <><
>
> Prayerfully in Gods Unconditional Love that you may find the truth of
> that love and accept all people as the brothers and sisters of God.
Those who do the will of my heavenly Father are already my brothers and
sisters.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have the
time you need to find the way, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> On 14 Sep 2006 01:13:51 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >No. In the Holy Spirit, I have seen this firsthand.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Everyone's spirit is holy, is it not?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No. There is only one Holy Spirit.
> >> >>
> >> >> I disagree completely.
> >> >
> >> >You have the free will generously given to you by GOD, Whom I love with
> >> >all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> >>
> >> And what makes you think my free will was given to me by God?
> >
> >Only the Creator has such infinite power and will and love and mercy
> >and grace.
>
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >> >> If there is only one God how can you claim there are three?
> >> >
> >> >There is only one GOD, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> >>
> >> You very statement names three gods after claiming there is only one.
> >
> >GOD is an infinite Being with many names able to assume many forms and
> >to be present at multiple places simultaneously.
>
> God is present in all things and all beings at all times.
HE is not present in satan.
> >Most assuredly without doubt, GOD is omnipotent and omniscient.
>
> So, you are saying there is no such being as Satan
No.
> and God is
> responsible for all things.
HE is sovereign and at this moment HE is tolerating evil:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7b6760d1e3827fcc?
> >
> >> You continuously talk out of both sides of you mouth and then blame
> >> Jesus for it.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>
> Your truth; not mine.
There is only one truth, and HE is absolute.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to find
the truth, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
> >> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
> >> >
> >> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
> >>
> >> And for poor people without access to transportation.
> >
> >There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
>
> single fitness center is at least four to five miles from the part of
> the city where most of the people we are talking about live.
Walking to a from the grocery store is exercise especially when
carrying groceries.
> >> Many obese
> >> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
> >> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
> >
> >Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
>
> What an assinine statement.
> Fitness centers are their busiest at night.
Not late weeknights.
> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> or less.
One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
these days.
> >> >> Do you know the people that
> >> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
> >> >
> >> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
> >>
> >> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
> >> was what I was talking about.
> >
> >You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
> >have access to such places.
>
> Try living in reality.
In reality, there is a school with a track or baseball field nearby.
> To quote Robin Williams, "Reality! What a concept!"
That reminds me of the nearby concept malls too. All perfect venues
for a regular exercise program. Mall walkers abound everywhere in the
U.S.
> >> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >> >> >exercise."
> >> >>
> >> >> Few and far between.
> >> >
> >> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
> >> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
> >> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
> >>
> >> Exactly.
> >>
> >> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
> >> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
> >> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
> >> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
> >> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
> >> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
> >> >is exactly what is happening.
> >>
> >> I don't believe that for one second.
> >
> >Logically, it is undeniable.
>
> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
You are untruthful.
> >> About as long as I believe in
> >> your phony two pound diet mantra.
> >
> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
>
> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
As if eating less were dangerous.
> >Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
> >less" from the outset.
>
> Which every one of them is. Duh.
No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
>
> >> >
> >> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
> >> >one for helping people lose weight.
> >>
> >> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
> >> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
> >> Simmons is a prime example.
> >
> >Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
>
> Exactly my point.
Hardly.
> He has eaten right and exercised.
That is not the reason he has lost weight.
> You can't be the stupid or dense.
Correct.
> <snip>
> >> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
> >> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
> >
> >In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
>
> Oh really?
Yes.
> Where then did all those links that others have posted come
> from?
>From untruthful people.
> >
> >Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
> links for years?
Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
Bottomline: You are untruthful.
Your bearing false witness is again forgiven as far as I am concerned.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating so that you will have time
to find the way to the truth, dear neighbor Chuck whom I love
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> According to your religious beliefs; not mine.
> >
> >Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Let us make a bargain. You come up with a good reason for me to
> continue this discourse within the next 24 hours. If not, I may decide
> to reopen that little room called KILLFILE and put you in it; by
> yourself for now, but soon your sock puppets will follow.
You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Exercising: Many people have no problems these days exercising because
> >> >> >> >gyms have become commonplace with some even staying open 24/7.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Have you checked into the cost recently?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes. Many around here are offering free trial memberships.
> >> >>
> >> >> And for poor people without access to transportation.
> >> >
> >> >There is always walking, which would be what they are already doing.
> >>
> >> I don't know about the area of Atlanta where you live, but here every
> >> single fitness center is at least four to five miles from the part of
> >> the city where most of the people we are talking about live.
> >
> >Walking to a from the grocery store is exercise especially when
> >carrying groceries.
>
> The nearest grocery store to much of the poor area of town is two to
> three miles. Can't you just see a grossly obese person who can barely
> walk at all making that round trip of four to six miles and carrying
> groceries too?
Morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first place
because of significant risk of injury.
This fact automatically discredits the false weight loss mantra "eat
right and exercise."
> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >> >> Many obese
> >> >> people have flatly said they will not go into such a place where there
> >> >> are so many lean people just so people can make fun of them.
> >> >
> >> >Then they can go late at night when there are fewer people.
> >>
> >> What an assinine statement.
> >> Fitness centers are their busiest at night.
> >
> >Not late weeknights.
>
> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
> weight 24/7.
Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
place because of significant risk of injury.
Again, this fact automatically discredits the false weight loss mantra
"eat right and exercise."
> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> >> or less.
> >
> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
> >these days.
>
> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
> per year at each.
There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
the larger chains.
> >> >> >> Do you know the people that
> >> >> >> need it the most are the poorest with no access to such places?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The poorest in this world are not obese. Think about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not all over the world; in the United States. I thought you knew that
> >> >> was what I was talking about.
> >> >
> >> >You did not make it clear because the poorest in the United States do
> >> >have access to such places.
> >>
> >> Try living in reality.
> >
> >In reality, there is a school with a track or baseball field nearby.
>
> Pick up those two sand bags and try it for a few days. If you aren't
> in the cardiac ward as a patient let us know how you feel and post
> pictures that are day and time marked on your web page.
Yet again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the
first place because of significant risk of injury.
Yet again, this fact automatically discredits the false weight loss
mantra "eat right and exercise."
> >> To quote Robin Williams, "Reality! What a concept!"
> >
> >That reminds me of the nearby concept malls too. All perfect venues
> >for a regular exercise program. Mall walkers abound everywhere in the
> >U.S.
>
> Tell that to the people that have to use a walker and then the
> electric wheel chairs once they get into the store or mall.
Instead, I would tell them that all they need to do to lose weight is
to eat less rather than feel doomed because of their inability to
exercise.
> >> >> >> >> >The reason they do is because they wish to feel better.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The same reason alcoholics/addicts drink and/or use.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The same reason obese folks are following the mantra "eat right and
> >> >> >> >exercise."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Few and far between.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >It seems you would claim that the reason for the accelerating rates of
> >> >> >obesity is because the number of people following the mantra "eat right
> >> >> >and exercise" are "few and far between."
> >> >>
> >> >> Exactly.
> >> >>
> >> >> >The problem with this claim is that logically the rates of obesity
> >> >> >would remain steady if either the mantra had no effect or the number of
> >> >> >practitioners of the mantra were so "few and far between" that there
> >> >> >were essentially no practitioners. OTOH, the accelerating rate of
> >> >> >obesity is explicable only if "eating right and exercising" were
> >> >> >actually causing its practitioners to gain weight. Indeed, the latter
> >> >> >is exactly what is happening.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't believe that for one second.
> >> >
> >> >Logically, it is undeniable.
> >>
> >> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
> >
> >You are untruthful.
>
> YOU are the liar - not me.
Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
> >> >> About as long as I believe in
> >> >> your phony two pound diet mantra.
> >> >
> >> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is neither a diet nor a mantra.
> >>
> >> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
> >
> >As if eating less were dangerous.
>
> Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
> dangerous.
Your hedging with "probably" reveals what is in your heart.
> >> >Instead of "eat right and exercise", the mantra should have been "eat
> >> >less" from the outset.
> >>
> >> Which every one of them is. Duh.
> >
> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
>
> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
Proof:
Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Bottomline: The oft-heard mantra "eat right and exercise" is a false
> >> >> >one for helping people lose weight.
> >> >>
> >> >> Only so long as it isn't put into practice. Everyone of us knows
> >> >> people who have done just that and lost tremendous amounts. Richard
> >> >> Simmons is a prime example.
> >> >
> >> >Richard Simmons clearly has eaten less.
> >>
> >> Exactly my point.
> >
> >Hardly.
> >
> >> He has eaten right and exercised.
> >
> >That is not the reason he has lost weight.
> >
> >> You can't be the stupid or dense.
> >
> >Correct.
>
> If you are not that stupid or dense then you are simply baiting me.
Neither.
It remains simply my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >
> >> <snip>
> >> >> I find it difficult to believe that you have any patients that know of
> >> >> you background and loss of hospital privileges.
> >> >
> >> >In truth, I have never lost hospital privileges.
> >>
> >> Oh really?
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >> Where then did all those links that others have posted come
> >> from?
> >
> >>From untruthful people.
> >
> >> >
> >> >Your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> >>
> >> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
> >> links for years?
> >
> >Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
>
> They appear to have very valid proof.
Their appearances are a deception.
> We you fired from a hospital where you practiced?
In truth, I have never been employed by a hospital.
> (If you were asked to leave it is the same thing.)
(correct).
> >
> >Bottomline: You are untruthful.
>
> Prove it.
See above.
> If you believe that, why then do you continue to blather with me?
Because though you are untruthful, I have not judged you to be a liar.
> >
> >Your bearing false witness is again forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> One man's lie is another man's truth.
Actually, truth is absolute.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love uncondtionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
>
> given by god?
Because HE is the truth.
> <snip>
> >
> >> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
> >
> >Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >>
> >> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
> >> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
> >> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
> >> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
> >> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
> >> weight 24/7.
> >
> >Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
> >place because of significant risk of injury.
>
> So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
> exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
> allow them to die?
Neither.
If they choose to have their doctor(s) supervise their use of the
2PD-OMER Approach, in time they will most certainly without a doubt be
cured of their obesity.
> >> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> >> >> or less.
> >> >
> >> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
> >> >these days.
> >>
> >> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
> >> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
> >> per year at each.
> >
> >There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
> >the larger chains.
>
> Not here.
Then there is not the demand perhaps because your community is using
the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less to lose weight rather than buy into
the false promise of exercise for weight loss.
> >> >> Logically it is a bald faced lie.
> >> >
> >> >You are untruthful.
> >>
> >> YOU are the liar - not me.
> >
> >Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
>
> Name-calling?
Yes.
> I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
> are a liar.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
One of us is untruthful.
Even the undiscerning can grope this one out with logic.
> >> >> What then do you call it? How about "Dangerous Eating Plan"?
> >> >
> >> >As if eating less were dangerous.
> >>
> >> Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is probably very
> >> dangerous.
> >
> >Your hedging with "probably" reveals what is in your heart.
>
> Okay. I will change it. Eating and drinking only two pounds per day is
> very dangerous.
Bottomline: You remain consistently untruthful.
We have more than 625,500 people whose > 5 yr experiences with the
2PD-OMER Approach prove that eating less down to the optimal amount is
not dangerous.
Indeed, writing firsthand as someone who has been using the 2PD-OMER
Approach for 9 years, it is the safest method of lasting weight loss on
the planet.
> >> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
> >>
> >> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
> >
> >Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
> >because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
> >
> > However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
> >
> > Proof:
> >
> > Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
> > this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
> > yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?
Your question is incoherent.
> >> >> Bearing false witness for repeating what has been shown on a number of
> >> >> links for years?
> >> >
> >> >Repeating the false witness of others is bearing false witness.
> >>
> >> They appear to have very valid proof.
> >
> >Their appearances are a deception.
>
> Are they?
Yes.
>
> >> One man's lie is another man's truth.
> >
> >Actually, truth is absolute.
>
> Not always.
Always.
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.
HE is LORD.
HE is GOD.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
Christ Jesus
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> >>
> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> >> given by god?
> >
> >Because HE is the truth.
>
In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> <snip>
> >> >
> >> >> You are purposely being obtuse and I tire of it.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry this discussion tires you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> So you do not deny purposely being obtuse?
> >
> >Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> By you using the Bible rather than your own mind your opinions are
> without merit and useless.
Not to the discerning.
> >> >>
> >> >> Try this: Put two one hundred pound sacks of sand on your shoulders.
> >> >> Then walk to a fitness center that is at least three miles one way
> >> >> from you house. Work out of two hours, not putting the sacks down for
> >> >> even on second. Now walk back home and tell me how great you feel.
> >> >> People that are grossly obese often carry at least that much excess
> >> >> weight 24/7.
> >> >
> >> >Again, morbidly obese people have no business exercising in the first
> >> >place because of significant risk of injury.
> >>
> >> So you want to force them into the hospital until they are able to
> >> exercise, or do you just want to throw them out with the trash and
> >> allow them to die?
> >
> >Neither.
>
> You certainly did not propose any workable solution for them.
Anyone can eat less.
> >If they choose to have their doctor(s) supervise their use of the
> >2PD-OMER Approach, in time they will most certainly without a doubt be
> >cured of their obesity.
>
> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
> >> >> >> Also, the trial memberships you suggest are normally for thirty days
> >> >> >> or less.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >One can then switch to a competitor ad infinitum. Lots of competitors
> >> >> >these days.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wrong again. There are two large chains here and they share
> >> >> information. The most time a person could get free would be a month
> >> >> per year at each.
> >> >
> >> >There are the smaller independents who do not share information with
> >> >the larger chains.
> >>
> >> Not here.
> >
> >Then there is not the demand perhaps because your community is using
> >the 2PD-OMER Approach to eat less to lose weight rather than buy into
> >the false promise of exercise for weight loss.
>
> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
That is not what I discern.
> >> I merely stated a truth. That being the you lie and thus
> >> are a liar.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >
> >One of us is untruthful.
>
> How can you be sure? You can't.
Such is the utility of a discerning heart.
> >Even the undiscerning can grope this one out with logic.
>
> It is far more logical to realize what is truth to one person is
> falsehood to another and that both are valid to that person.
"Validity does not replace veracity. Veracity does replace validity."
-- Holy Spirit.
> >We have more than 625,500 people whose > 5 yr experiences with the
> >2PD-OMER Approach prove that eating less down to the optimal amount is
> >not dangerous.
>
> If that were true we would have seen you on The Today Show, Oprah
> Winfrey, Dateline and every other news and talk show.
They know about the 2PD-OMER Approach. It seems they fear my walk with
Christ Jesus because they know my walk is an open one with HIM. When
was the last time an openly Christian person has been featured on one
of these shows?
Fwiw, the networks hold the opinion that an openly Christian person is
a "radical" ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43e932f3b88df7b5?
You will not hear anything about the 2PD-OMER Approach on network
television until GOD wills it, if HE ever does.
HIS will be done and not mine.
> >Indeed, writing firsthand as someone who has been using the 2PD-OMER
> >Approach for 9 years, it is the safest method of lasting weight loss on
> >the planet.
>
> You will excuse me if I do not believe you one iota.
That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
generously given you.
> >
> >> >> >No. "Eat right and exercise" is not simply "eat less."
> >> >>
> >> >> No, but eating less is part of it. Duh!
> >> >
> >> >Actually, "eating less" is not part of "eat right and exercise",
> >> >because "what you eat" is not the same as "how much you eat."
> >> >
> >> > However, people have been brainwashed into thinking they are the same.
> >> >
> >> > Proof:
> >> >
> >> > Simply ask someone "How much did you eat yesterday?" and witness how
> >> > this someone will typically answer with much detail about what they ate
> >> > yesterday but NOT how much unless they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >>
> >> You haven't listened to doctors who recommend this approach, have you?
> >
> >Your question is incoherent.
>
> No it is perfectly clear.
When my physician colleagues speak to me, I listen.
When my patients speak to me, I also listen.
Whether I listen is not contingent on either the topic being about the
2PD-OMER Approach or the identity of the speaker.
Your question remains incoherent.
> >> >> One man's lie is another man's truth.
> >> >
> >> >Actually, truth is absolute.
> >>
> >> Not always.
> >
> >Always.
> >
> >> >
> >> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >>
> >> Jesus wasn't a Lord. He was a peasant.
> >
> >HE is LORD.
> >
> >HE is GOD.
>
> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
lords."
> >
> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
> >Christ Jesus
>
> And Alice's house landed on the wicked witch.
It would be your choice to place your faith in fiction and my choice to
place my faith in the truth.
May GOD continue to keep heal your heart by healing your diabetes, dear
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> >> >>
> >> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> >> >> given by god?
> >> >
> >> >Because HE is the truth.
> >>
> >> When did She/He/It tell you this?
> >
> >In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
> >and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
The Bible does not speak.
> I want to know when
> God told you in person this is true.
Ever since I place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ in 1977.
> The Bible was written and revised by men - no women allowed - who had
> an agenda. It most certainly was not written by God. God don't own no
> printing presses.
The Bible is GOD-breathed.
> >> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
> >
> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
>
> I don't care what you call it, it is a diet, aka meal plan.
In truth, it is not. No instructions on **what** to eat is given with
the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
> >
> >That is not what I discern.
>
> Well of course not since it is your plan and you have attempted to
> spread it with no regard to its dangerous nature.
No one has ever been harmed by their using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Indeed, many have been cured of their metabolic syndrome and type-2
diabetes so that there has been only benefit without any risk of
injury.
> >You will not hear anything about the 2PD-OMER Approach on network
> >television until GOD wills it, if HE ever does.
> >
> >HIS will be done and not mine.
>
> You are one sick person who is to be pitied.
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE continues to keep me
completely well.
> >That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
> >generously given you.
>
> God didn't give it to me; my mama did.
In truth, your mother did not give you your free will. Nor could she
have taken GOD's gift away from you.
> >> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
> >lords."
>
> But not to non-Christians. You can't be that dense.
On the LORD's Day of Judgment, every head will bow and every knee will
bend to acknowledge that HE is "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
> >> >"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- "Doubting" Thomas upon seeing the risen
> >> >Christ Jesus
> >>
> >> And Alice's house landed on the wicked witch.
> >
> >It would be your choice to place your faith in fiction and my choice to
> >place my faith in the truth.
>
> What truth?
Your question reminds me of Governor Pontius Pilate asking the same.
The Governor was just as lost.
> Where did you find this "truth" of yours?
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >May GOD continue to keep heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> What?
Yes.
> Can't you pray for yourself?
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus and not
leave HIS side.
> Must you invoke someone else's name
> to make it valid?
It remains my choice to pray in HIS name.
> That is just plain sick!
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Chuck whom I
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>blablabla 2PD-OMER blablabla
Dear Mr. Chung,
Thank you for your interest in becoming an official Troll
for the alt.support.diabetes newsgroup. While your credentials
are most impressive and the examples of your work
(which we thank you for providing) do display considerable
effort on your part, we are sorry to inform you that we are
seeking a candidate with a different skill-set for the position
of Newsgroup Troll.
We will keep your on-line application on file for consideration
of any future openings. We will contact you if there are any
future openings for which we deem you suitable.
Thank you for your interest in alt.support.diabetes.
Sincerely
The alt.support.diabetes Human Resources Department.
cc:file
--
The Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better,dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Greatfully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin, Actos, Lizard Spit
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >You have the free will that GOD has generously given you to do as you
> >> >> >> >please and not as your friends and neighbors would have you do.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Since all sentient beings have free will why should we believe it was
> >> >> >> given by god?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Because HE is the truth.
> >> >>
> >> >> When did She/He/It tell you this?
> >> >
> >> >In the Holy Spirit, after placing my faith in Christ Jesus as my LORD
> >> >and Savior, the following was witnessed firsthand:
> >> >
> >> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >>
> >> I don't want to know what your Bible tells you;
> >
> >The Bible does not speak.
>
It is the truth Who speaks.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
HE is the living Word of GOD.
Through HIM all things have been created.
"My LORD **and** my GOD ! " -- Archetypal Agnostic Christian "Doubting"
Thomas upon seeing the risen Christ Jesus.
> >> I want to know when
> >> God told you in person this is true.
> >
> >Ever since I place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ in 1977.
>
> And did God - not Jesus - come to you in a vision and tell you this?
All knowledge and wisdom comes from the LORD.
> >> The Bible was written and revised by men - no women allowed - who had
> >> an agenda. It most certainly was not written by God. God don't own no
> >> printing presses.
> >
> >The Bible is GOD-breathed.
>
> What the heck does that mean?
It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
> >> >> No caring physician would even consider such a dangerous meal plan.
> >> >
> >> >The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a meal plan.
> >>
> >> I don't care what you call it, it is a diet, aka meal plan.
> >
> >In truth, it is not. No instructions on **what** to eat is given with
> >the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> Do you not tell people to limit their intake to two pounds per day?
The 2PD-OMER Approach is written plainly.
Diets and meal plans instruct people on **what** to eat.
Again, the 2PD-OMER Approach does not do this.
Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
diet.
Indeed, the fact it can be dovetailed with either Ornish or Atkins (two
diametrically opposite diets) is proof that the 2PD-OMER Approach is
not a diet.
> >> >> I have never met anyone who has heard of your idiotic plan.
> >> >
> >> >That is not what I discern.
> >>
> >> Well of course not since it is your plan and you have attempted to
> >> spread it with no regard to its dangerous nature.
> >
> >No one has ever been harmed by their using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> Probably because very few people have done it and of those that have
> almost none have stuck to it for more than a short time.
Actually, there have been more than 625,550 people with more than 5
years experience using the 2PD-OMER Approach to achieve sustained
weight loss.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/press.asp
> >Indeed, many have been cured of their metabolic syndrome and type-2
> >diabetes so that there has been only benefit without any risk of
> >injury.
>
> That is just plain lying by someone who claims to be a physician and
> is probably malpractice of the worst kind.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
In time, ASD's own Chris Malcolm will be among those who have been
cured by GOD through using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
> >> >That is your choice. Again, you have the free will that GOD has
> >> >generously given you.
> >>
> >> God didn't give it to me; my mama did.
> >
> >In truth, your mother did not give you your free will. Nor could she
> >have taken GOD's gift away from you.
>
> My mom taught me to talk and read and find things for myself. God had
> nothing to do with it.
GOD picked out your mom for you.
> >> >> Not to we non-Christians, so don't pretend he is.
> >> >
> >> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know HE is "KING of kings and LORD of
> >> >lords."
> >>
> >> But not to non-Christians. You can't be that dense.
> >
> >On the LORD's Day of Judgment, every head will bow and every knee will
> >bend to acknowledge that HE is "KING of kings and LORD of lords."
>
> There will be no "LORD'S Day of Judgement" since god is UNCONDITIONAL
> LOVE and would never set in judgement of any of us.
John 3:16
GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >> Where did you find this "truth" of yours?
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Alright, so where did you find it?
http://HeartMDPhD.com/healer.asp
> >> Can't you pray for yourself?
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus and not
> >leave HIS side.
>
> Good for you.
> God walks with me and everyone that I know regardless of their
> religion if they even have one. I do not need some one between me and
> Her/Him/It.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/dad0ac3a8863795b?
> >> Must you invoke someone else's name
> >> to make it valid?
> >
> >It remains my choice to pray in HIS name.
> >
> >> That is just plain sick!
> >
> >Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> There you go quoting that book that you claim does not speak again.
The above is an understanding and not a quote.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed?
P.S. Cross-posted to AUK, sister newsgroup to ASD per Vicki B:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/93f11c183e291abe?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Are you aware of what kind of trouble you can get in with your ISP for
> cross-posting all the time? I seldom do it so far as I know and yet my
> ISP threatened to shut down my account because of it.
In the Holy Spirit, I do not fear anything that is of this world.
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >The Bible is GOD-breathed.
> >>
> >> What the heck does that mean?
> >
> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
>
> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
> worse kind of blasphemy.
The Bible remains holy.
<snip occurred>
> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
> >diet.
>
> Pure twisting of words.
Incorrect.
> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
> choose to call it.
In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >Actually, there have been more than 625,550 people with more than 5
> >years experience using the 2PD-OMER Approach to achieve sustained
> >weight loss.
>
> If that were true it would have been all over the news. Me thinks you
> bear false witness.
Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >In time, ASD's own Chris Malcolm will be among those who have been
> >cured by GOD through using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
>
> That too would have been all over the news.
It will happen. He already is essentially euglycemic without
medications.
> >> My mom taught me to talk and read and find things for myself. God had
> >> nothing to do with it.
> >
> >GOD picked out your mom for you.
>
> ROFLMAO!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
> My dad picked my mom.
GOD picked out your dad for you too.
<snip occurred>
> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
>
> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
> senseless.
Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
It should have read:
GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
John 3:16
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
> >> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
> >> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
> >> worse kind of blasphemy.
> >
> >The Bible remains holy.
>
> believing they were following directions from god of their
> understanding.
Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
> ><snip occurred>
> >
> >> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
> >> >diet.
> >>
> >> Pure twisting of words.
> >
> >Incorrect.
> >
> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
> >> choose to call it.
> >
> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is
> a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
Incorrect.
Noone would believes that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
amount) a diet.
Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
portion size) a diet.
Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
> >>
> >> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
> >> senseless.
> >
> >Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> There is nothing to forgive.
There was my typing error which led you to be confused.
> >It should have read:
> >
> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
> >
> > John 3:16
>
> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
> to look at them.
That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
TransWench
alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.christnet.evangelical, and
alt.usenet.kooks, when The Goddess Eris Herself suddenly made me reply to
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD:
>> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you choose to call it.
>> >
>> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is a
>> diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
>
> Incorrect.
No, it's correct.
> Noone would believes that a fast (restricting food intake to zero amount)
> a diet.
Ever heard of "crash" diets? They're fraudulent, in terms of what is
claimed about them, but they do involve fasting.
> Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> portion size) a diet.
ROMFFLMMFAOUIPMMFP!!!! "No one" herein defined as "everyone who is
Andrew B. Chung, quack, fraud, and k0oK".
> Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
No, therefore, Andrew B. Chung is full of shit, as per usual. ASD
snecked from followups.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >It means that the Holy Spirit guided all the writers of the Holy Bible.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many, many books have been written due to the influence of God, Holy
> >> >> Spirit, or whatever people chose to call it that inspired those books.
> >> >> The point is, God did not write any of them. To claim otherwise is the
> >> >> worse kind of blasphemy.
> >> >
> >> >The Bible remains holy.
> >>
> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
> >> understanding.
> >
> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>
> I don't understand the term at all.
What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
plainer.
> >> ><snip occurred>
> >> >
> >> >> >Therefore, most certainly without doubt, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a
> >> >> >diet.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pure twisting of words.
> >> >
> >> >Incorrect.
> >> >
> >> >> It is clearly a diet regardless of what you
> >> >> choose to call it.
> >> >
> >> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is
> >> a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
> >
> >Incorrect.
> >
> >Noone would believe that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
> >amount) is a diet.
>
> If the person is consuming nourishing food or drink then it is
> definitely a diet.
You just contradicted what you had written 7-8 lines earlier.
> >Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> >portion size) a diet.
>
> Everyone who does it considers it their diet.
Actually, most folks describe it as their WOE.
> >
> >Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> Trying to tell you something is like trying to explain color to a
> person who has always been blind.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by pretending to
describe colors to the seeing.
When someone says they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently
lose weight, their diet can be any of the following:
(1) Regular
(2) Vegetarian
(3) Southern
(4) Mediterranean
(5) Atkins
(6) South Beach
(7) Ornish
(8) Vegan
(9) Low-fat/cholesterol
(10) Low sodium
.
.
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> >
> >> >> >GOD is infinitely more that unconditional love:
> >> >>
> >> >> That sentence makes no sense, but then many things you say are
> >> >> senseless.
> >> >
> >> >Sorry for the typo... c/that/than Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> There is nothing to forgive.
> >
> >There was my typing error which led you to be confused.
>
> And I did not need to have you ask for forgiveness.
My choice.
> With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
Most assuredly without doubt, there is sin.
> >> >It should have read:
>
> I don't click on links in a discussion like this. They are a huge
> waste of time.
Your choice.
> >> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >> >
> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
> >> >
> >> > John 3:16
> >>
> >> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
> >> to look at them.
> >
> >That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
> >reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
> >our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
> >including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
>
> There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
> you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
There is always free online access.
> >
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
> May your drugs cure your psychosis.
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
Again, may GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >> >
> >> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that is a
> >> diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
> >
> > Incorrect.
>
> No, it's correct.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > Noone would believe that a fast (restricting food intake to zero amount)
> > is a diet.
>
> Ever heard of "crash" diets?
Yes.
> They're fraudulent, in terms of what is
> claimed about them, but they do involve fasting.
The latter is incorrect.
For example:
> > Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> > portion size) a diet.
>
> ROMFFLMMFAOUIPMMFP!!!!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
> "No one" herein defined as "everyone who is
> Andrew B. Chung, quack, fraud, and k0oK".
Non sequitur.
> > Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>
> No, therefore, Andrew B. Chung is full of shit, as per usual.
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
The God of Odd Statements
state:
> TransWench wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >In truth, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>> >>
>> >> If you restrict your food intake to a certain amount every day that
>> >> is a diet, regardless of what YOU choose to call it.
>> >
>> > Incorrect.
>>
>> No, it's correct.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Without facts, your words are meaningless.
>> > Noone would believe that a fast (restricting food intake to zero
>> > amount) is a diet.
>>
>> Ever heard of "crash" diets?
>
> Yes.
Oh, good.
>> They're fraudulent, in terms of what is claimed about them, but they do
>> involve fasting.
>
> The latter is incorrect.
No, it's correct, and you are a liar.
> For example:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/s4xj4
That sounds like your kind of "fasting", alright.
>> > Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
>> > portion size) a diet.
>>
>> ROMFFLMMFAOUIPMMFP!!!!
>
> Written laughter is silent despair.
<quotes removed, because it originates with Andrew Chung, and no one else>
This is a text medium. What kind of laughter were you expecting?
>> "No one" herein defined as "everyone who is Andrew B. Chung, quack,
>> fraud, and k0oK".
>
> Non sequitur.
Having trouble with dem word meanings, huh?
>> > Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
>>
>> No, therefore, Andrew B. Chung is full of shit, as per usual.
>
> Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly.
Your apology is not accepted.
> Please forgive all my iniquities.
Consider yourself unforgiven.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor whom I love
> unconditionally.
Until you are more forthcoming with teh sex0r, I don't want to hear about
it.
--
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"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
'BAWAHAHA'" -- Dustbin "Outer Filth" K00k's delusions of grandeur
reached new heights, in Message-ID:
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> >> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
> >> >> understanding.
> >> >
> >> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
> >>
> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
> >> I don't understand the term at all.
> >
> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
> >plainer.
>
What you have snipped.
> Your answer?
Yes.
> I do not recall seeing one.
Would suggest you inform your doctor(s) about your recall difficulties.
> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
> >> >Noone considers portion control (restricting food intake to a visual
> >> >portion size) a diet.
> >>
> >> Everyone who does it considers it their diet.
> >
> >Actually, most folks describe it as their WOE.
>
> I suppose they would considering the meaning of the word.
WOE is an acronym for "Way of Eating."
> woe (wo)n. 1. Deep distress or misery, as from grief;
> wretchedness. See Synonyms at regret. 2. Misfortune; calamity:
> economic and political woes.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Excerpted from American Heritage Talking Dictionary
> Copyright © 1997 The Learning Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Non sequitur.
> >> >
> >> >Therefore, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> >>
> >> Trying to tell you something is like trying to explain color to a
> >> person who has always been blind.
> >
> >You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by pretending to
> >describe colors to the seeing.
> >
> >When someone says they are using the 2PD-OMER Approach to permanently
> >lose weight, their diet can be any of the following:
> >
> >(1) Regular
> >
> >(2) Vegetarian
> >
> >(3) Southern
> >
> >(4) Mediterranean
> >
> >(5) Atkins
> >
> >(6) South Beach
> >
> >(7) Ornish
> >
> >(8) Vegan
> >
> >(9) Low-fat/cholesterol
> >
> >(10) Low sodium
> >
> > et cetera
> And as you just said, it is a DIET.
No. I have written down 10 diets that could be dovetailed with the
2PD-OMER Approach which is not a diet else the dovetailing would not be
possible.
> So you have contradicted yourself again.
Hardly.
> >> With God's Unconditional Love there is no such thing as sin.
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, there is sin.
>
> In your mind, but not in god's eyes.
Neither you nor I are GOD though it seems to be your choice to pretend
to see through HIS eyes.
> >> >> > GOD is infinitely more than unconditional love:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/293523ed00491108?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > John 3:16
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't bother to post links to me. I don't have the time or inclination
> >> >> to look at them.
> >> >
> >> >That would be your choice to not look at the wheel that I choose not to
> >> >reinvent. Others following this thread may choose differently. Such is
> >> >our respective free wills that GOD has generously gifted all souls
> >> >including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
> >>
> >> There you go, quoting the damned bible again even though I have told
> >> you I don't own one and don't want one and don't believe in it at all.
> >
> >There is always free online access.
>
> Now you are being purposely obtuse again. I don't care to read the
> bible. I was forced to read it as a child and got my belly full of it
> and the contradictions contained in it.
"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
> >> May your drugs cure your psychosis.
> >
> >In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE keeps me completely well.
>
> Is that your psychiatrists opinion or your own self delusion at work
> again?
Neither.
Simply the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Don Kirkman
>GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
>> >> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
>> >> >> understanding.
>> >> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
>> >> I don't understand the term at all.
>> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
>> >plainer.
[. . .]
>"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
"Under socialism only those who work shall eat, except those who are
physically incapacitated. Each one receives according to what he puts
in. Socialism being but a transition towards communism, it still
contains certain vestiges of the capitalist past, since under socialism
not full equality is obtained, but only a mechanical equality."
http://www.weisbord.org/conquest17.htm
"Those who do not work do not eat, to paraphrase Marx."
http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=256
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>
> >> >> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
> >> >> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
> >> >> >> understanding.
>
> >> >> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>
> >> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
> >> >> I don't understand the term at all.
>
> >> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
> >> >plainer.
>
> [. . .]
>
> >"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
>
> "Under socialism only those who work shall eat, except those who are
> physically incapacitated. Each one receives according to what he puts
> in. Socialism being but a transition towards communism, it still
> contains certain vestiges of the capitalist past, since under socialism
> not full equality is obtained, but only a mechanical equality."
> http://www.weisbord.org/conquest17.htm
>
> "Those who do not work do not eat, to paraphrase Marx."
> http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=256
Even blind squirrels will eventually find a nut.
Without the LORD, all that a man accomplishes is meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Don whom I
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
<Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>
> > Chuck wrote:
> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
> >
> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>
> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
about the truth.
Don Kirkman
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> >> No more so, nor less than many other books written by men and women
>> >> >> >> believing they were following directions from god of their
>> >> >> >> understanding.
>> >> >> >Your question about the Bible being GOD-breathed has been answered.
>> >> >> What do you mean by god-breathed.
>> >> >> I don't understand the term at all.
>> >> >What has been written to explain this to you can not be rewritten any
>> >> >plainer.
>> [. . .]
>> >"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
>> "Under socialism only those who work shall eat, except those who are
>> physically incapacitated. Each one receives according to what he puts
>> in. Socialism being but a transition towards communism, it still
>> contains certain vestiges of the capitalist past, since under socialism
>> not full equality is obtained, but only a mechanical equality."
>> http://www.weisbord.org/conquest17.htm
>> "Those who do not work do not eat, to paraphrase Marx."
>> http://www.anti-state.com/article.php?article_id=256
>Even blind squirrels will eventually find a nut.
Let me be sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying that the
Holy Spirit gave the same truth to Marx and Lenin as It did to you?
Or are you saying they came to the same truth without the intervention
of the Holy Spirit?
Since you say there is no such thing as luck I assume you will agree
that they didn't stumble onto it because they were lucky.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
No. Moreover, HE is GOD.
> Or are you saying they came to the same truth without the intervention
> of the Holy Spirit?
Blinds squirrels do not find nuts without GOD's help.
> Since you say there is no such thing as luck I assume you will agree
> that they didn't stumble onto it because they were lucky.
It is what the Holy Spirit has guided me to write. There is no such
thing as luck (Proverbs 16:33).
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>
It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
there can be no pride.
> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
This does keep me from rambling.
> >> > Chuck wrote:
> >> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> >> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
> >> >
> >> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>
> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
> original texts.
Nothing happens unless permitted by GOD.
> >> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
> >> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
> >> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
> >> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
> >
> >None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
> >about the truth.
>
> You could not be more wrong if you tried.
Only those who are guided by the Holy Spirit can come closest to being
right all the time.
Even then, we fall short of HIS glory.
It is in our shortcomings that GOD's perfection is fully realized.
Most assuredly without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.
> Which of them have you read?
One does not need to read a book in its entirety to know that it is not
filled with information about the truth.
> After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
> every one of them from cover to cover.
As if one needs to drink the entire ocean to know whether it is filled
with salt water.
> >
> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Chung never has an original thought.
Correct. All knowledge and wisdom comes from GOD.
> He has to quote things that were
> written down at least two hundred years after the person being quoted
> was executed.
In the Holy Spirit, I was there to hear my LORD say this firsthand.
> May the Force be with you too.
The Holy Spirit is infinitely more than a force.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
>
> >> Did so proudly too.
>
> >It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
> >there can be no pride.
>
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> You ego is so large that I am surprised you head
> has not exploded.
Then what you are witnessing is a miracle from your perspective.
The only explanation for you is that Christ Jesus with Whom I am
walking is keeping me completely well.
> >> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
>
> >This does keep me from rambling.
>
> What keeps you from rambling? Nothing I have yet seen.
Yes, you are blind.
> >> >> > Chuck wrote:
> >> >> >> Other books have been written down through the ages too and many of
> >> >> >> them much more factual than anything in that tome you call Bible.
>
> >> >> >Go ahead a name one book that is more truthful than the Bible.
>
> >> The bible is filled with legends, contradictions and out-and-out lies
> >> perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in its miss translating the
> >> original texts.
>
> >Nothing happens unless permitted by GOD.
>
> And yet SHE allows your brethren to kill and maim the followers of
> Islam every day all in the name of George W. Bush and God's name.
The brethren of Christ are swordbearers and not swordspersons. There
has been neither killing nor maiming by those who walk with Christ
Jesus though some did leave HIS side to harm others and consequently
were no longer brethren when they did this.
> >> >> Conversations With God (Books 1 thru 3. Perhaps more if there are
> >> >> more) The Teachings of Buddha. How to Know God, by Depak Chopra, The
> >> >> Art of Peace by the Dahli Llama, Alcoholics Anonymous (aka The Big
> >> >> Book), Webster's New World Dictionary, and more.
>
> >> >None of these books that you have listed are filled with information
> >> >about the truth.
>
> >> You could not be more wrong if you tried.
>
> >Only those who are guided by the Holy Spirit can come closest to being
> >right all the time.
>
> So, according to you, Unitarians are not true Christians no matter how
> much they love God?
It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
> >Even then, we fall short of HIS glory.
>
> Never. God never judges any of His/Her children.
Finite beings such that we are fall short of the glory of an infinite
Being such that HE is.
> >It is in our shortcomings that GOD's perfection is fully realized.
>
> Read Conversations With God and then get back to me on that. You have
> read it, haven't you
Yes.
>, since you have judged it as being less honest
> than your old book?
The author, Neale Donald Walsch, did not write truthfully:
"Listen to your feelings. Listen to your Highest Thoughts. Listen to
your experience. Whenever any one of these differ from what you've
been told by your teachers, or read in your books, forget the words.
Words are the least reliable purveyor of Truth." - anonymous spirit
misrepresented as GOD by the author (Book 1, page 8)
This is essentially a commandment for self-worship which would be
inherently contradictory coming from LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of
heaven and earth so that even those without discerning hearts can grope
out the truth using just logic.
"There are many spirits in the world but only One Holy Spirit." -- Holy
Spirit
> >Most assuredly without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
> >right.
>
> Yes She is. May the Force be with you in all things.
My LORD is Christ Jesus.
> >> Which of them have you read?
>
> >One does not need to read a book in its entirety to know that it is not
> >filled with information about the truth.
>
> Answer the question I asked or admit you know nothing of the books.
> Come on. Which one(s) have you read and how much of it did you read?
> Stop avoiding the question or admit you haven't read them.
See above for an example. Fwiw, I enjoy reading and am a trained
speed-reader 950+ words/minute.
> >> After all you cannot pass judgement unless you have read each and
> >> every one of them from cover to cover.
> >As if one needs to drink the entire ocean to know whether it is filled
> >with salt water.
>
> Meaningless drivel.
The truth is meaningless to the untruthful.
> >> >"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> >> Chung never has an original thought.
>
> >Correct. All knowledge and wisdom comes from GOD.
>
> God also gave you the power of independent thought. If He/She wanted
> you to be a thoughtless slave you would be pond scum.
There is no power in independent thought (free will). Actuation of
independent thought is via the infinite will of GOD, Who has all the
power.
Independent thought is not original thought.
> >> He has to quote things that were
> >> written down at least two hundred years after the person being quoted
> >> was executed.
>
> >In the Holy Spirit, I was there to hear my LORD say this firsthand.
>
> Then why did you not hear it from God?
LORD Jesus Christ is GOD.
> Why did you have to hear it
> from some spirit?
The Holy Spirit took me there to hear the words of Christ Jesus, GOD
the Son, firsthand.
> >> May the Force be with you too.
>
> >The Holy Spirit is infinitely more than a force.
>
> There is nothing stronger in all of the Universe than the Force's
> unconditional love.
The Force is a fictional entity from a work of fiction, titled Star
Wars written by George Lucas.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
> >> >> Did so proudly too.
> >> >It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
> >> >there can be no pride.
> >> Oh my how you lie.
> >It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>
> time after time.
One of us is untruthful.
Even those without discerning hearts can figure this out logically.
> >> >> Tis the only way to shorten chung's ramblings.
> >> >This does keep me from rambling.
> >> What keeps you from rambling? Nothing I have yet seen.
> >Yes, you are blind.
>
> Quite the opposite is true.
"Nothing I have yet seen." is your statement not mine.
> Since I found the Unconditional Love of God
There is a very serious problem here for you...
Most assuredly without doubt, love arises from free will. This
includes GOD's love with one important difference:
HIS will is infinite whereas ours is not.
Thus, HIS love is infinite whereas ours is not.
Either HE chooses to love you or HE does not.
Again, this is because GOD has infinite free will.
GOD's love is not yours to find but is HIS to give to those whom HE
chooses.
> and realized ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL AND STAY EQUAL in God's
> eyes
This false realization is arising from the false premise that you have
found GOD's unconditional love.
In truth, GOD's love has never been lost but remains in HIS one and
only begotten Son, LORD Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Fount of living
water, which is GOD's infinite love, which confers eternal life (John
4:14).
GOD's love is yours for the asking if you know HIS one and only
begotten Son (John 4:10) and HIS Gift (John 3:16).
GOD's love is not lying around to be found as you claim.
Indeed, GOD's love though infinite is not unconditional as you claim
because of the conditions that you know "the Gift of GOD" (John 3:16)
and HIS one and only begotten Son (John 4:10).
"GOD's infinite love given to HIS brethren becomes unconditional love
for all." -- Holy Spirit
> whether they are religious or not, my eyes have been wide open.
Actually we have established above that you are not seeing though you
believe your eyes are wide open.
"Nothing I have yet seen." -- Your words.
> Too bad yours are not.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by denying the
vision of the seeing.
<rest of your post read, noted, snipped and to be addressed later, LORD
willing>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> ><Chuck's floundering snipped here and elsewhere>
> >> >> >> Did so proudly too.
> >> >> >It remains my choice to die to self daily. Where there is no self,
> >> >> >there can be no pride.
> >> >> Oh my how you lie.
> >> >It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >>
> >> If it is your choice then why do you fail to do so. Instead you lie
> >> time after time.
> >
> >One of us is untruthful.
>
Your name-calling and use of profanity below shows otherwise.
> >> Since I found the Unconditional Love of God
> >
> >There is a very serious problem here for you...
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, love arises from free will. This
> >includes GOD's love with one important difference:
> >
> >HIS will is infinite whereas ours is not.
> >
> >Thus, HIS love is infinite whereas ours is not.
> >
> >Either HE chooses to love you or HE does not.
>
> Totally false, aka a bald faced lie.
It seems you would claim that GOD does not have the free will to choose
whom HE will love.
Most assuredly without doubt, such a claim is false.
> God would never refuse to love anyone regardless of what others may
> think.
It remains HIS choice. Not only does GOD have free will, HIS free will
is infinite.
Why are you attempting to place limits on HIS infinite will ?
> >Again, this is because GOD has infinite free will.
> >
> >GOD's love is not yours to find but is HIS to give to those whom HE
> >chooses.
>
> And God chooses to give it to everyone without any conditions on it.
That would be **your** choice for HIM.
You would make GOD do your will and not HIS.
GOD's will be done and not our will.
Amen.
> >> and realized ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL AND STAY EQUAL in God's
> >> eyes
> >
> >This false realization is arising from the false premise that you have
> >found GOD's unconditional love.
>
> You are a fool and a twit.
Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
> I have found the unconditional love of God in all things.
You actually mean you have invented unconditional love from a god that
is also of your own invention.
You are practicing idolatry.
This is sin.
> Hitler is in heaven and so will you be one day.
This will be up to GOD.
HIS will be done and not my will:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
> >In truth, GOD's love has never been lost but remains in HIS one and
> >only begotten Son, LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> Yet another lie on your part.
The truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> > Jesus is the Fount of living
> >water, which is GOD's infinite love, which confers eternal life (John
> >4:14).
> >
> >GOD's love is yours for the asking if you know HIS one and only
> >begotten Son (John 4:10) and HIS Gift (John 3:16).
>
> God's love is everyone's whether they ask for it or not.
The love of GOD's brethren is everyone's whether they ask for it or
not.
> >GOD's love is not lying around to be found as you claim.
>
> Oh quite the opposite; it is here and now all of the time in
> everything in the universe.
What you describe is your own invention.
See above.
> God is present in every one of us even if
> we do not see it.
GOD's love is not present in everyone, however.
> >Indeed, GOD's love though infinite is not unconditional as you claim
> >because of the conditions that you know "the Gift of GOD" (John 3:16)
> >and HIS one and only begotten Son (John 4:10).
>
> Stop quoting that old book.
Actually, what I have written is an understanding from the Holy Spirit.
The Scriptural citations simply serve to show that this understanding
is indeed from the Holy Spirit.
> You know and I know that it is filled with
> lies and half truths.
The Bible remains truthful and holy.
> Use your own brain and try having an original thought.
GOD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> >"GOD's infinite love given to HIS brethren becomes unconditional love
> >for all." -- Holy Spirit
>
> God really doesn't care what you call Her, so if it makes you feel
> good to call her a holy spirit have at it.
Your not knowing GOD's gender does not bode well for your current
status in GOD's will.
> >> whether they are religious or not, my eyes have been wide open.
> >
> >Actually we have established above that you are not seeing though you
> >believe your eyes are wide open.
>
> We have established that YOU chung is the one who has eyes and does
> not see.
"Nothing I have yet seen." -- Your words describing yourself.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for having compelled
you to write these words.
> I tire of your constant harping and lying.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Sorry your unsuccessful attempts at countering the truth have tired you
out. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> You refuse to reason at all.
It remains my choice to remain on the side of Christ Jesus, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
Most assuredly without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.
Indeed, HE is the Source of the strength that you are witnessing.
My LORD is the Source of all knowledge, wisdom, and strength.
> I think it is time for me to tell you to fuck off and leave you to your rantings.
Your choice made through the free will that GOD has generously given
all souls including those belonging to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
It remains GOD's infinite will that all souls retain HIS generous gift
of free will.
The victory will be forever HIS.
"Vengeance is mine." -- GOD
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >One of us is untruthful.
> >>
> >> And it isn't me.
> >
> >Your name-calling and use of profanity below shows otherwise.
>
Name-calling and the use of profanity are not truthful and serve to
show that you are untruthful.
May GOD help folks bear this in mind as they read what follows:
> My use of it shows nothing
> except my loss of patience with you refusing to give any credence to
> anything I have to say.
>
> >> >> Since I found the Unconditional Love of God
> >> >
> >> >There is a very serious problem here for you...
> >> >
> >> >Most assuredly without doubt, love arises from free will. This
> >> >includes GOD's love with one important difference:
> >> >
> >> >HIS will is infinite whereas ours is not.
> >> >
> >> >Thus, HIS love is infinite whereas ours is not.
> >> >
> >> >Either HE chooses to love you or HE does not.
> >>
> >> Totally false, aka a bald faced lie.
> >
> >It seems you would claim that GOD does not have the free will to choose
> >whom HE will love.
>
> You clearly did not read all of "Conversations With God." Do you even
> remember how he came to write the book?
>
> It is not a case of the Higher Power not having free will to choose
> whom he loves. He just chooses to love everything in the universe.
> That is by its very nature UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Is that so hard for you
> to wrap you mind around?
>
> >
> >Most assuredly without doubt, such a claim is false.
>
> For you to claim otherwise is an out and out lie and you know it.
>
> >
> >> God would never refuse to love anyone regardless of what others may
> >> think.
> >
> >It remains HIS choice. Not only does GOD have free will, HIS free will
> >is infinite.
>
> As is Her unconditional love.
>
> >
> >Why are you attempting to place limits on HIS infinite will ?
>
> You are the only one here doing that - not me.
>
> >
> >> >Again, this is because GOD has infinite free will.
> >> >
> >> >GOD's love is not yours to find but is HIS to give to those whom HE
> >> >chooses.
> >>
> >> And God chooses to give it to everyone without any conditions on it.
> >
> >That would be **your** choice for HIM.
>
> No, it is HER choice for all of us.
>
> >
> >You would make GOD do your will and not HIS.
>
> Liar.
>
> >
> >GOD's will be done and not our will.
>
> Exactly.
>
> >
> >> >> and realized ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL AND STAY EQUAL in God's
> >> >> eyes
> >> >
> >> >This false realization is arising from the false premise that you have
> >> >found GOD's unconditional love.
> >>
> >> You are a fool and a twit.
> >
> >Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
>
> Liar. It simply shows how I feel about you being so freaking
> bullheaded.
>
> >
> >> I have found the unconditional love of God in all things.
> >
> >You actually mean you have invented unconditional love from a god that
> >is also of your own invention.
>
> I invented nothing. I awakened, Huge difference.
>
> >
> >You are practicing idolatry.
>
> How can you lie and blaspheme like that? I have no graven images that
> I worship. If you pray before a cross you certainly do, though.
>
> >
> >This is sin.
>
> Sin is a false concept.
>
> >
> >> Hitler is in heaven and so will you be one day.
> >
> >This will be up to GOD.
>
> God has already said he is there. Guess you didn't read the book after
> all.
>
> >
> >HIS will be done and not my will:
>
> I ask Her every day to show me Her will for me. She usually does in
> one way or another.
>
> >
> >http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
>
> There you go worshiping three gods again.
>
> >
> >> >In truth, GOD's love has never been lost but remains in HIS one and
> >> >only begotten Son, LORD Jesus Christ.
> >>
> >> Yet another lie on your part.
> >
> >The truth.
>
> Liar.
>
> >> God's love is everyone's whether they ask for it or not.
> >
> >The love of GOD's brethren is everyone's whether they ask for it or
> >not.
>
> Yes, God's unconditional love. Get it? No conditions whatever.
>
> >
> >> >GOD's love is not lying around to be found as you claim.
> >>
> >> Oh quite the opposite; it is here and now all of the time in
> >> everything in the universe.
> >
> >What you describe is your own invention.
>
> Wrong again. It is God's invention and intention. Not mine.
>
> >
> >See above.
>
> I needn't look above. God's love is an integral part of each and
> everyone of us. I look within. I look at the wonders in my yard, etc.
>
> >
> >> God is present in every one of us even if
> >> we do not see it.
> >
> >GOD's love is not present in everyone, however.
>
> Liar.
> Just because many people do not see it does not mean it isn't there.
>
> >
> >> >Indeed, GOD's love though infinite is not unconditional as you claim
> >> >because of the conditions that you know "the Gift of GOD" (John 3:16)
> >> >and HIS one and only begotten Son (John 4:10).
> >>
> >> Stop quoting that old book.
> >
> >Actually, what I have written is an understanding from the Holy Spirit.
> > The Scriptural citations simply serve to show that this understanding
> >is indeed from the Holy Spirit.
>
> Still worshiping three gods while claiming to worship only one, I see.
>
> >
> >> You know and I know that it is filled with
> >> lies and half truths.
> >
> >The Bible remains truthful and holy.
>
> Then why are there so very many contradictions in it and why has it
> been changed so many times down through the centuries?
>
> >
> >> Use your own brain and try having an original thought.
>
> If you believe that then you also must believe that the words I write
> to you were put in my head by God. Right?
>
> >
> >GOD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
>
> So you got your medical degree by studying only the bible?
>
> >
> >> >"GOD's infinite love given to HIS brethren becomes unconditional love
> >> >for all." -- Holy Spirit
> >>
> >> God really doesn't care what you call Her, so if it makes you feel
> >> good to call her a holy spirit have at it.
> >
> >Your not knowing GOD's gender does not bode well for your current
> >status in GOD's will.
>
> God has no gender, you idiot.
>
> >
> >> >> whether they are religious or not, my eyes have been wide open.
> >> >
> >> >Actually we have established above that you are not seeing though you
> >> >believe your eyes are wide open.
> >>
> >> We have established that YOU chung is the one who has eyes and does
> >> not see.
> >
> >"Nothing I have yet seen." -- Your words describing yourself.
>
> I believe you have quoted me out of context. Please do refresh my
> memory as to the entire paragraph where you claim I said that.
>
> >
> >Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for having compelled
> >you to write these words.
>
> All of them you twit.
>
> >
> >> I tire of your constant harping and lying.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>
> You haven't done that yet. Mack proved that you were fired in Florida,
> yet you lied about it.
>
> >
> >Sorry your unsuccessful attempts at countering the truth have tired you
> >out. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> Go take your hallucinogens and see what else you can come up with.
>
> >
> >> You refuse to reason at all.
> >
> >It remains my choice to remain on the side of Christ Jesus, Whom I love
> >with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>
> Fine. That does not mean you are forbidden from reasoning.
>
>
> >
> >The victory will be forever HIS.
>
> HERS.
> ITS.
> HIGHER POWER.
> THE FORCE.
>
> >
> >"Vengeance is mine." -- GOD
>
> God does not take vengeance on anyone. Never has. Never will. So you
> may as well stop wishing it on others. By the way since you believe in
> sin, to wish that vengeance on someone is a mortal sin.
>
> >
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
> You are a fuggin liar.
>
> >
> >Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> One of your three gods.
There is only One GOD in three Persons and there are three Persons in
GOD: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
"The Father is in ME as I am in the Father. Now that you know ME, you
also know MY Father." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Gene Goldman
wrote:
>You are practicing idolatry.
Interesting Judgment you make there, Mr. Chung. Sure you want to put
yourself in a position to Judge others like that?
--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better,dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Gratefully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin and Lizard Spit
Gene Goldman
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>You are practicing idolatry.
Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost and belong with
the other denizens of AUK who have become deluded into thinking they
are in charge.
Reminds me of the Gary Larson cartoon of zoo animals sitting in
recliners to watch the human visitors.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Gene Goldman wrote:
> > Michael wrote:
> >
> >> In any case, my current theory about Ch*ng is that he's a borderline
> >> cultist Christian
> >
> > Borderline?
> >
> Perhaps I'm being charitable, perhaps I'm optimistic.
>
> I was using the term "Cult" in the strict term as I just found at
> dictionary.com:
> > a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist,
> > with members often living outside of conventional society under the
> > direction of a charismatic leader.
> The only thing I've read from Ch*ng that was unorthodox was when I
> questioned him on his definition of an OMER. He said something to the
> effect that --the Holy Spirit revealed to me than an omer is really a
> measure of weight, not a measure of volume as described in Exodus--
In truth, the description of omer being a volume measure in Exodus was
not in the original text and in the NIV this is denoted by parentheses.
It remains a stumbling block for those who are not being counseled by
the Holy Spirit in their understanding of Scripture.
In the Holy Spirit, I know that an omer of manna is a weight measure
that different from an omer of grain which is a volume measure. Manna
was not grain afterall.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Michael whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >One of us is untruthful.
> >> >>
> >> >> And it isn't me.
> >> >
> >> >Your name-calling and use of profanity below shows otherwise.
> >>
> >> What is wrong with common street talk?
> >
> >Name-calling and the use of profanity are not truthful and serve to
> >show that you are untruthful.
>
Would suggest you look up name-calling.
>From the online Merriam Webster dictionary at http://www.m-w.com ...
"the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce
rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective
consideration of the facts "
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >You are practicing idolatry.
>
> Name-calling
Recognizing sin is neither name-calling nor judging.
"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to
convict, and my job to love." -- Reverend Billy Graham
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
Robert Baker
wrote:
>On 21 Sep 2006 16:10:47 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung" <lo...@thetruth.com>
>wrote:
>
>>You are practicing idolatry.
>
>Interesting Judgment you make there, Mr. Chung. Sure you want to put
>yourself in a position to Judge others like that?
In other news, the S.S. _Titanic_ may be in a spot of bother. :-)
(Follow-ups set, required by my news-server; you may want to clear
them before replying.)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >One of us is untruthful.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And it isn't me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Your name-calling and use of profanity below shows otherwise.
> >> >>
**emphasis** added
> >> >Name-calling and the use of profanity are not truthful and serve to
> >> >show that you are untruthful.
> >>
> >> That is completely untrue.
> >
> > Would suggest you look up name-calling.
> >
> >>From the online Merriam Webster dictionary at http://www.m-w.com ...
> >
> >"the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce
> >rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective
> >consideration of the facts "
>
> When those names fit the person they are addressed to (you chung) they
> do not fit into the definition at all.
Your denial **after** becoming educated about the definition is very
telling.
See **emphasis** above where you accepted the fact that you engaged in
name-calling and attempted to downplay it by calling it **common street
talk**.
Yes, **common street talk** is untruthful.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear Chuck
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Gene Goldman wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >You are practicing idolatry.
> >>
> >> Name-calling
> >
> >Recognizing sin is neither name-calling nor judging.
>
Recognizing sin is not a right but an ability.
Indeed, this is a ability that everyone has though they might choose to
deny the ability along with denying sin. This is analogous to what an
ostrich chooses to do about danger.
> Judge not lest thee be judged asshole.
Name-calling simply shows that you remain untruthful and lost:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d69dce9d2e5d8641?
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
>
> Grandpa Chuck
> -ô¿ô-
> ~
> Americans killed in Iraq as of September 21, 2006 is 2,695. United Kingdom = 118 Other = 116.
> Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents.
> More than 19,910 Americans wounded.
The God of Odd Statements
state:
> It remains my choice to continue writing, truthfully.
IFYPFY. YCTML.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >Your name-calling and use of profanity below shows otherwise.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What is wrong with **common street talk**?
> >
> >**emphasis** added
>
The Holy Spirit's timing is infinitely better than mine as is evident
below. It remains my choice to continue to receive guidance from HIM in
everything I say, do, and write.
> >> When those names fit the person they are addressed to (you chung) they
> >> do not fit into the definition at all.
> >
> >Your denial **after** becoming educated about the definition is very
> >telling.
>
> You are not answering the question asked.
Actually I have. See below.
> >See **emphasis** above where you accepted the fact that you engaged in
> >name-calling and attempted to downplay it by calling it **common street
> >talk**.
>
> And it is.
>
> >Yes, **common street talk** is untruthful.
>
> No, it is not.
When there is name-calling and profanity, it is untruthful.
Please know now that your question about what is wrong with **common
street talk** has been answered.
> Walk through the ghetto, or across a school yard and
> then try to tell me you do not hear it most of the time.
In truth, there has been more name-calling and profanity in discussions
here with you about GOD on usenet. It seems to be your choice to
stereotype the poor with **common street talk** when most actually
won't engage in name-calling and profanity when discussing GOD.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Gene Goldman wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >You are practicing idolatry.
> >> >>
> >> >> Name-calling
> >> >
> >> >Recognizing sin is neither name-calling nor judging.
> >>
> >> And what gives you the right to say what is and is not a sin?
> >
> >Recognizing sin is not a right but an ability.
>
Ability is not authorized but is gifted.
> Yours?
No.
> Your religion?
No.
> That is not my religion so
> it does not apply to me.
Actually, you do not know my religion though I know yours to be
self-worship.
> >
> >Indeed, this is an ability that everyone has though they might choose to
> >deny the ability along with denying sin. This is analogous to what an
> >ostrich chooses to do about danger.
>
> What might that have been? The idea of an ostrich sticking its head in
> the sand to avoid danger is and old wives tale and a lie.
It remains a choice for ostrich and people.
> You know, just like the garbage you spew forth.
It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >> Judge not lest thee be judged asshole.
> >
> > Name-calling simply shows that you remain untruthful and lost:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d69dce9d2e5d8641?
>
> Calling you an asshole is very appropriate considering what comes from
> you and it resemblance to fecal matter.
Bottomline: You are consistently untruthful.
> Why did you not answer my questions about comparing your spiritual
> awakening with mine?
There can be no spiritual awakening in the untruthful ... only
delusional thinking.
> Mine is certainly just as valid as yours.
Without the truth, there is no validity.
> I do
> believe you are fearful of answering it as it might bring your beliefs
> into doubt.
Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
In the Holy Spirit, there is no fear of anything that is of this world.
> Now you are not only an asshole, but a cowardly one at that.
See above.
> I challenge you to find the post and answer my questions as fairly as
> you are capable of doing. I don't think you can do it.
See above again.
The Demon Prince of Absurdity
screamed:
> On 21 Sep 2006 16:10:47 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
>>You are practicing idolatry.
>
> Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost and belong with the
> other denizens of AUK who have become deluded into thinking they are in
> charge.
Oh, not quite -- I know who's in charge: teh Mighty FNVW! He is the
ultimate arbiter of all those nominated k00ks who make it onto the final
ballot. If he decides a KOTM-nomiated k00k isn't kooky enough, they don't
make it.
> Reminds me of the Gary Larson cartoon of zoo animals sitting in
> recliners to watch the human visitors.
Describes AUK quite nicely. Humans is der craaaaaaziest peoples!
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >Gene Goldman wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >You are practicing idolatry.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Name-calling
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Recognizing sin is neither name-calling nor judging.
> >> >>
> >> >> And what gives you the right to say what is and is not a sin?
> >> >
> >> >Recognizing sin is not a right but an ability.
> >>
> >> On whose authority?
> >
> >Ability is not authorized but is gifted.
>
In truth, it is my answer to your question.
We all have the ability to recognize sin.
The seeing who believe in GOD know the ability to recognize sin comes
from HIM just as their ability to see comes from HIM.
Just as there is no need to be authorized to see, there is not need to
be authorized to recognize sin.
> Answer the question.
See above.
It seems you believe that if you don't like an answer, you can always
pretend it is not an answer and it will disappear if you pretend hard
enough.
Iran's President Aminedinejad has applied the same logic to Israel.
> >> Yours?
> >
> >No.
>
> Then whose?
No authority required to use GOD's gift. Simply see above.
All that is required is just choice arising from free will that GOD has
generously given to all souls including those belonging to fig trees
(Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> >> Your religion?
> >
> >No.
>
> Then whose?
No religion required to use GOD's gift. Again, simply see above.
All that is required is just choice arising from free will that GOD has
generously given to all souls including those belonging to fig trees
(Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> >> That is not my religion so
> >> it does not apply to me.
> >
> >Actually, you do not know my religion though I know yours to be
> >self-worship.
>
> Quite the opposite.
Ok, what is my religion ?
> You could not be more wrong.
We shall see in your answer to the above question.
> I have no religion, only a very personal relationship with god.
Self-worship is personal.
> We
> communicate every single day in ways you will never understand.
You forget that yours is the default condition.
> >> >Indeed, this is an ability that everyone has though they might choose to
> >> >deny the ability along with denying sin. This is analogous to what an
> >> >ostrich chooses to do about danger.
> >>
> >> What might that have been? The idea of an ostrich sticking its head in
> >> the sand to avoid danger is and old wives tale and a lie.
> >
> >It remains a choice for ostrich and people.
>
> No ostrich ever did that.
Many thanks and praises to GOD for compelling you to confirm in what
you write that indeed it remains a choice for ostrich and people.
Whether you believe that this choice has even been made by an ostrich
is immaterial.
> OTOH, you are quite good at it.
It remains my choice to continue standing by the truth and not stray
from HIS side.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
> >> You know, just like the garbage you spew forth.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
>
> When do you intend to start?
Have not stopped:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
> >> >> Judge not lest thee be judged asshole.
> >> >
> >> > Name-calling simply shows that you remain untruthful and lost:
> >> >
> >>
> >> Calling you an asshole is very appropriate considering what comes from
> >> you and it resemblance to fecal matter.
> >
> >Bottomline: You are consistently untruthful.
>
> Liar.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/6ffa6c4909292ce8?
> I consistently tell the truth and you just can't take it.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/1c8afb7e7581fe77?
> >> Why did you not answer my questions about comparing your spiritual
> >> awakening with mine?
> >
> >There can be no spiritual awakening in the untruthful ... only
> >delusional thinking.
>
> See? More lies.
The truth which you clearly are unable to discern:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/cc18ffa32b2571ae?
> >> Mine is certainly just as valid as yours.
> >
> >Without the truth, there is no validity.
>
> And my relationship with god as I understand her is as valid as your
> with him.
There is no validity in your make believe.
> >> I do
> >> believe you are fearful of answering it as it might bring your beliefs
> >> into doubt.
> >
> >Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Liar.
The writer of the book of Ecclesiastes is not me.
> Afraid to give a real answer, aren't you?
Again, it seems you believe that if you don't like an answer, you can
always pretend it is not an answer and it will disappear if you pretend
hard enough.
Again, Iran's President Aminedinejad has applied the same logic to
Israel.
> >In the Holy Spirit, there is no fear of anything that is of this world.
>
> Worshiping three gods again, I see.
No. There is only one GOD in three persons, the Father, the Son, and
the Holy Spirit.
> >> Now you are not only an asshole, but a cowardly one at that.
> >
> >See above.
>
> You have written nothing of substance above, here or below.
Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >> I challenge you to find the post and answer my questions as fairly as
> >> you are capable of doing. I don't think you can do it.
> >
> >See above again.
>
> You have written nothing of substance above, here or below.
Again, without the LORD, your opinions will remain meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
> You are a coward and afraid to give an honest answer. You have proven
> once more what a terrible liar you are.
Again, name-calling simply shows how lost you remain. Your being
unable to avoid this suggests you may have lost your free will via
demonic possession.
> I do not hate anyone, but with
> you it might be easy to do. OTOH, you aren't worth the effort. You
> have proven yourself to not be a follower of Jesus Christ's teaching.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
> Thus you are not a Christian at all. If you were you would not be
> afraid of my relationship with God's unconditional love.
My pointing out your idolatry is not fear but the choice to use the
ability to recognize sin.
This choice is via the free will that generously given all souls
including those belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> You are not only and asshole, but you are a dirty one to boot.
Yet again, name-calling simply shows that you remain untruthful and
lost.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
> --
The Demon Prince of Absurdity
cha-cha, and screamed:
> GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> >Gene Goldman wrote:
>> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >You are practicing idolatry.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Name-calling
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Recognizing sin is neither name-calling nor judging.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And what gives you the right to say what is and is not a sin?
>> >> >
>> >> >Recognizing sin is not a right but an ability.
>> >>
>> >> On whose authority?
>> >
>> >Ability is not authorized but is gifted.
>>
>> Not an answer.
>
> In truth, it is my answer to your question.
>
> We all have the ability to recognize sin.
>
> The seeing who believe in GOD know the ability to recognize sin comes from
> HIM just as their ability to see comes from HIM.
>
> Just as there is no need to be authorized to see, there is not need to be
> authorized to recognize sin.
So it's just your delusion, then. Thanks for the clarification.
Gene Goldman
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>you may have lost your free will via
>demonic possession.
Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost and belong with
the other denizens of AUK who have become deluded into thinking they
are in charge.
Reminds me of the Gary Larson cartoon of zoo animals sitting in
recliners to watch the human visitors.
--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >you may have lost your free will via
> >demonic possession.
>
> Name-calling
Suspecting possible demonic possession is not name-calling.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Gene whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >Gene Goldman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > You are practicing idolatry.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Name-calling
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Recognizing sin is neither name-calling nor judging.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And what gives you the right to say what is and is not a sin?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Recognizing sin is not a right but an ability.
> >> >>
> >> >> On whose authority?
> >> >
> >> > Ability is not authorized but is gifted.
> >>
> >> Not an answer.
> >
> > In truth, it is my answer to your question.
> >
> > We all have the ability to recognize sin.
> >
> > The seeing who believe in GOD know the ability to recognize sin comes
> > from HIM just as their ability to see comes from HIM.
>
> superior to them.
"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to
convict, and my job to love." -- Reverend Billy Graham.
> What a terrible way to go through life.
Life while walking with Christ Jesus is an awesomely abundant life that
never ends.
> >> Answer the question.
> >
> > See above.
>
> Which is not a true answer at all, but just a Bushite diversion.
Sorry you don't like my answer to your question. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> > It seems you believe that if you don't like an answer, you can always
> > pretend it is not an answer and it will disappear if you pretend hard
> > enough.
>
> No pretense at all. You just refuse to actually give a clear answer.
The answer given was written plainly.
> >> >> Your religion?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> Then whose?
> >
> > No religion required to use GOD's gift. Again, simply see above.
>
> Organized religions are a curse on modern society put there by men who
> want to rule the world and feel superior to all others.
It remains my choice to refrain from judging others, including the
religious, per the kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ
(Matthew 7:1-2).
> >> >> That is not my religion so
> >> >> it does not apply to me.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, you do not know my religion though I know yours to be
> >> > self-worship.
> >>
> >> Quite the opposite.
> >
> > Ok, what is my religion ?
>
> You claim to be a Christian and yet you prove daily that you are the
> antithesis of a real Christian.
Yours would be an example of an answer that is so unclear that many
would deem it to be a non-answer.
Fwiw, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the risen
LORD Jesus Christ, Who actually has a religion though only those in the
Holy Spirit know the name of HIS religion. Most assuredly, without
doubt, HIS religion is my religion.
If your god were real with the powers of a god instead of a figment of
your imagination, s/he/it would help you out here by giving you the
correct answer.
Again, what is my religion ?
> >> I have no religion, only a very personal relationship with god.
> >
> > Self-worship is personal.
>
> Self-worship?
Yes.
> I am but a humble part of god's unconditional love.
Those who claim to be humble automatically are not.
> That
> most certainly is not self-worship.
Love for oneself is part of self-worship.
> You always being ready to judge
> others, such as me, proves you inferiority complex and your fear that
> you may just be wrong.
Observing your self-worship is not the same as judging you for your
idolatry.
May GOD forgive you for you know not what you are doing.
> >> We
> >> communicate every single day in ways you will never understand.
> >
> > You forget that yours is the default condition.
>
> That statement makes no sense whatever. What do you mean by "default
> condition"?
When someone first chooses to place his/her faith in someone to
worship, s/he starts with faith in himself/herself. Yes, egocentricity
is the default condition.
Been there... done that... understand your delusion after having
experienced self-delusion firsthand many years ago before my choice to
die to self and place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ instead.
> >Whether you believe that this choice has even been made by an ostrich
> >is immaterial.
> >
> >> OTOH, you are quite good at it.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue standing by the truth and not stray
> >from HIS side.
>
> Unlike the legendary ostrich that stuck his head in the sand you stick
> yours in your fundament and just can't get it out of there.
See above.
> >> >> You know, just like the garbage you spew forth.
> >> >
> >> > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> >>
> >> When do you intend to start?
> >
> > Have not stopped:
>
> You cannot stop something you have not yet done.
Correct.
Many thanks and praise to GOD for compelling you to recognize that it
remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
It is my hope that you will soon overcome your delusion that you have
been truthful.
> >> And my relationship with god as I understand her is as valid as your
> >> with him.
> >
> >There is no validity in your make believe.
>
> My truth may very well not be yours. That does not mean it is not true
> and valid for me.
The truth is absolute. You would have known HIM had you been able to
discern HIM.
> >> Afraid to give a real answer, aren't you?
> >
> > Again, it seems you believe that if you don't like an answer, you can
> > always pretend it is not an answer and it will disappear if you pretend
> > hard enough.
>
> You have yet to give any real answer.
In the truth, an answer to a question is a real answer.
> Instead you quote some one
> else's words from some book proving that you don't have the ability to
> think and answer for yourself.
Actually, citing a written reference that supports ones answer simply
serves to prove that there is no self-delusion.
> >> >In the Holy Spirit, there is no fear of anything that is of this world.
> >>
> >> Worshiping three gods again, I see.
> >
> >No. There is only one GOD in three persons, the Father, the Son, and
> >the Holy Spirit.
>
> That is three gods even if you fail to admit it.
"MY Father is in ME just as I am in MY Father. Now that you know ME,
you also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ
One GOD in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
> >> You have written nothing of substance above, here or below.
> >
> >Without the LORD, your opinions are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> See? Once again you cannot answer for yourself.
See above.
> >> >> I challenge you to find the post and answer my questions as fairly as
> >> >> you are capable of doing. I don't think you can do it.
> >> >
> >> >See above again.
> >>
> >> You have written nothing of substance above, here or below.
> >
> >Again, without the LORD, your opinions will remain meaningless
> >(Ecclesiastes).
>
> See? Once again you cannot answer for yourself.
Again see above.
> >> You are a coward and afraid to give an honest answer. You have proven
> >> once more what a terrible liar you are.
> >
> >Again, name-calling simply shows how lost you remain.
>
> On the contrary it shows just how clearly I see you for what you are.
You remind me of the blind man who would feign vision by pretending to
see the seeing.
Please let me know when you believe your god has helped you to figure
out what my religion is.
Hint (again): It is the same as Christ Jesus' religion. All who have
learned the name of HIS religion have immediately recognized the name
to be true.
> You don't like my name calling, as you call it
Actually, your bearing false witness is forgiven as far as I am
concerned.
What is forgiven is forgotten.
> , yet you cannot ignore it.
What is forgotten is automatically ignored.
> If you had from the beginning I probably would have done it a
> whole lot less.
It remains my choice to not stick my head in the sand but continue to
recognize sin.
> It is a fun way to pull your chain and watch you dance
> like a puppet on a sting.
Sorry to ruin your fun. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> > Your being
> >unable to avoid this suggests you may have lost your free will via
> >demonic possession.
>
> ROFLMAO!!
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit.
> The only demons that exist are those in your own psyche.
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE has destroyed all demons who
have dared to approach.
> >> I do not hate anyone, but with
> >> you it might be easy to do. OTOH, you aren't worth the effort. You
> >> have proven yourself to not be a follower of Jesus Christ's teaching.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus, Whom I love
> >with all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
>
> Really?
Yes.
> Then why do you act so much differently than he did?
I am not GOD.
> >> Thus you are not a Christian at all. If you were you would not be
> >> afraid of my relationship with God's unconditional love.
> >
> >My pointing out your idolatry is not fear but the choice to use the
> >ability to recognize sin.
>
> How can my relationship with god be idolatry when there are no
> symbols?
Indeed, self-worship is idolatry, which is the worship of a false god
(self).
> >
> >This choice is via the free will that generously given all souls
> >including those belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
>
> See? Once again you cannot answer for yourself.
See above.
> >> You are not only and asshole, but you are a dirty one to boot.
> >
> >Yet again, name-calling simply shows that you remain untruthful and
> >lost.
>
> On the contrary it shows just how clearly I see you for what you are.
See above.
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
>
> May god help your doctor to find the proper drugs to cure your
> delusions.
In my continued walk with Christ Jesus, HE continues to keep me
completely well.
> Take the weekend off and go roll in the flowers naked and enjoy the
> love of god to be found in nature. A nice large patch of poison ivy
> should work quite well. ;-)
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ Jesus, Whom I love
with all my being.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > Andrew wrote:
> >
> >>you may have lost your free will via demonic possession.
>
> his followers to desecrate a cemetery and then spent the next several
> months apologizing for his criminal act.
It remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind and
helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
> now this nutter is talking about demonic possession. is the type of
> nutter someone would want giving them medical advise?
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Mack whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
><The truth snipped>
>
> You spent 367 lines to say absolutely nothing of any value. What a
> waste of bandwidth and of oxygen.
Without the LORD, your opinions will remain forever meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >><The truth snipped>
> >>
> >> You spent 367 lines to say absolutely nothing of any value. What a
> >> waste of bandwidth and of oxygen.
> >
> >Without the LORD, your opinions will remain forever meaningless
> >(Ecclesiastes).
>
> then they are mine not something out of a phony book.
Such are the delusions of the self-worshipper:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1f1d81f188184a20?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/8112479e93db87f9?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Chuck wrote:
> > Andrew wrote:
> > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/b4c49b5dbca42234?
> >
> >Just more unneeded and unwanted proselytizing that I will not dignify
> >by reposting it.
>
> so why bother commenting on it all?
Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth worshipping the
wrong god:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1f1d81f188184a20?
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Mack whom I love unconditionally.
Gene Goldman
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>It is my hope that you will soon overcome your delusion that you have
>been truthful.
Name-calling simply serves to show that you are lost and belong with
the other denizens of AUK who have become deluded into thinking they
are in charge.
Reminds me of the Gary Larson cartoon of zoo animals sitting in
recliners to watch the human visitors.
--
The 10mg Lizard-Spit Approach is not a diet.
It does help people manage their Diabetes Mellitus (DM) possibly preventing long-term complications resulting from poor control.
Bottomline: I remain peanut-free.
May your BG and A1c get better, dear neighbor whom I communicate with unconditionally.
Gratefully, in Lizard-Spit's amazing love,
Consuming copious amounts of Aspertame-laden soft drinks with reckless abandon!
Be well, travel with a light heart and a low A1c [Gene, 3:16]
Gene Goldman
T2
Metformin, Lizard-Spit, Aspertame, Nutrisweet, Sacarin
Give me NutraSweet over peanuts any day!
Internet newsgroup posting. Copyright 2006. All rights reserved.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >It is my hope that you will soon overcome your delusion that you have
> >been truthful.
>
> Name-calling
No. Simply look it up here...
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/name-calling
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor whom I love unconditionally.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Ma¢k wrote:
> >> Chuck wrote:
> >> > Andrew wrote:
> >> > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/b4c49b5dbca42234?
> >> >
> >> >Just more unneeded and unwanted proselytizing that I will not dignify
> >> >by reposting it.
> >>
> >> so why bother commenting on it all?
> >
> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth worshipping the
> > wrong god:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1f1d81f188184a20?
>
In a word: Projection.
Sorry about your reading this making you sad and ill. Please forgive
all my iniquities.
> There are no "sides" to god.
Correct.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.
HIS side is the right side.
> She loves us all unconditionally and without restrictions.
Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other female god
of your creation exists.
> >May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
> >neighbor Mack whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Jesus never hated anyone.
Correct.
> Too bad chung cannot honestly make that claim.
It remains my choice to continue obeying my LORD and love everyone
including my enemies unconditionally as HE has commanded.
May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear
neighbor Chuck whom I love unconditionally.
Gene Goldman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth worshipping the
> >> > wrong god:
>
> >
> >In a word: Projection.
>
Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
> >> There are no "sides" to god.
> >
> >Correct.
> >
> >
> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without restrictions.
> >
> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other female god
> >of your creation exists.
>
> In your mind.
Clearly projecting again.
> God has no gender.
Actually, GOD's gender is male.
> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
> >> Jesus never hated anyone.
> >
> >Correct.
> >
> >> Too bad chung cannot honestly make that claim.
> >
> >It remains my choice to continue obeying my LORD and love everyone
> >including my enemies unconditionally as HE has commanded.
>
> Your actions speak volumes which prove otherwise.
Love resides in the heart and not in show:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>Andrew wrote:
> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth worshipping
> >> >> > the wrong god:
> >>
> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so very sick.
> >> >
> >> >In a word: Projection.
> >>
> >> The real word is TRUTH.
> >
> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
> >
> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
> >> >
> >> >Correct.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without restrictions.
> >> >
> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other female
> >> >god of your creation exists.
> >>
> >> In your mind.
> >
> > Clearly projecting again.
> >
> >> God has no gender.
> >
> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
>
That is the way HE is.
> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
> >
> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
>
> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one visual
> appearance?
In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD, Who is
an infinite being.
However, we can know HIM.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
right.
"Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." -- LORD
Jesus Christ.
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> procreate?
GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
HE made us and not the other way around.
Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is consistent with
HIS having made you and not the other way around.
> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
> >>
> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one
> >> visual appearance?
> >
> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD, Who is
> > an infinite being.
>
> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that we're
> capable of perceiving?
Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in Google.
To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links below my
sigs.
> > However, we can know HIM.
> >
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >
> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
> > right.
> >
> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." -- LORD
> > Jesus Christ.
> >
> > Amen !
> >
> > Laus Deo ! !
> >
> > Marana tha ! ! !
>
> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the second hyphen
> and it'll work properly.
The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you. Please
forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert whom
I love unconditionally.
blu
<lo...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
Andrew!! How nice to see you. I was just in auk looking for another old
friend and here you are. Amazing, isn't it?
I trust that life is taking care of you in the way you so richly deserve?
--
love
blu*goddess.of.groundhogs*juju
blu 3=3
http://blu05.port5.com <-Go there!! Seriously.
http://blujuju.livejournal.com
Eat the rich -Aerosmith
The gods too are fond of a joke.
Aristotle
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
Napoleon
Kill 'em all and let L. Ron Hubbard sort them out. -amanita
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
what we gotta do, to survive.
Tupac Shakur
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon
Nothing beats a little juju juice in the morning *g*
-=Biscuit=-
Its only my Paranoia that keeps me from going Insane
-thank you Cur
Music in the soul can be heard by the universe.
Lao Tzu
It tells us PHBP = Potheads Have Better Peckers.
-Ms Sticky Buds
Not Kitty029
blu
<gran...@deathstar.galacticempire> exploded onto the scene and screamed
incoherantly:
> I will now respond to a post accessible as
> news:1159209502.8...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com by "Andrew B.
> Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>:
>
>> Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>>> >>Andrew wrote:
>>> >> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
>>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth
>>> >> >> >> > worshipping the wrong god:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so very
>>> >> >> >> sick.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >In a word: Projection.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The real word is TRUTH.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2d26
>>> >> > da0 ab97?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Correct.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without restrictions.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other
>>> >> >> >female god of your creation exists.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> In your mind.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Clearly projecting again.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> God has no gender.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why?
>>> >
>>> > That is the way HE is.
>>>
>>> I just don't understand why a deity would have a gender. Does or can
>>> GOD procreate?
>>
>> GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>>
>> HE made us and not the other way around.
>
> Well, did he have to fuck somebody else to create all that or did he do
> it by himself?
psssssst.. it's a chemistry experiment for some high school project gone
terribly awry. Anything else that Andrew tells you is nonsense.
>> Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is consistent with
>> HIS having made you and not the other way around.
>
> Well, can you explain this to me? You seem to know more about GOD than I
> do.
He hears the voices and thinks they are god. Not too terribly logical, but
that's our Andrew for you.
>>> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
>>> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
>>> >>
>>> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one
>>> >> visual appearance?
>>> >
>>> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD, Who
>>> > is an infinite being.
>>>
>>> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that we're
>>> capable of perceiving?
>>
>> Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
>>
>> HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in Google.
>>
>> To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links below my
>> sigs.
>
> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique sense of self-
> esteem.
Why are you bothering to analyse Andrew? A kook is a kook is a kook.
>>> > However, we can know HIM.
>>> >
>>> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
>>> >
>>> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
>>> > right.
>>> >
>>> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." --
>>> > LORD Jesus Christ.
>>> >
>>> > Amen !
>>> >
>>> > Laus Deo ! !
>>> >
>>> > Marana tha ! ! !
>>>
>>> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the second
>>> hyphen and it'll work properly.
>>
>> The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you. Please
>> forgive all my iniquities.
>
> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick and fix
> your delimiter so the rest of us won't have to snip your sig?
As you can plainly see, I have a long, interesting sig. But the
deliminator is working. Hopefully.
>> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert whom
>> I love unconditionally.
>
> Thank you. My nasal hair, spleen, and esophagus go out to you.
May I have your liver? Please?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >>Andrew wrote:
> >> >> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth
> >> >> >> >> > worshipping the wrong god:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so very
> >> >> >> >> sick.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >In a word: Projection.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The real word is TRUTH.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2d26
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Correct.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without restrictions.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other
> >> >> >> >female god of your creation exists.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In your mind.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Clearly projecting again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> God has no gender.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why?
> >> >
> >> > That is the way HE is.
> >>
> >> I just don't understand why a deity would have a gender. Does or can
> >> GOD procreate?
> >
> > GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
> >
> > HE made us and not the other way around.
>
> it by himself?
The latter.
> > Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is consistent with
> > HIS having made you and not the other way around.
>
> Well, can you explain this to me?
"MY Father is in ME as I am in MY Father. Now that you know ME, you
also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> You seem to know more about GOD than I do.
My LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> >> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> >> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
> >> >>
> >> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one
> >> >> visual appearance?
> >> >
> >> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD, Who
> >> > is an infinite being.
> >>
> >> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that we're
> >> capable of perceiving?
> >
> > Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
> >
> > HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in Google.
> >
> > To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links below my
> > sigs.
>
> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique sense of self-
> esteem.
You aren't.
> >> > However, we can know HIM.
> >> >
> >> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> >
> >> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and
> >> > right.
> >> >
> >> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." --
> >> > LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> >
> >> > Amen !
> >> >
> >> > Laus Deo ! !
> >> >
> >> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >>
> >> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the second
> >> hyphen and it'll work properly.
> >
> > The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you. Please
> > forgive all my iniquities.
>
> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick
Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
> and fix
> your delimiter so the rest of us won't have to snip your sig?
Because such choices made by you demonstrate your possession of the
free will that GOD has generously given all souls including those
belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert whom
> > I love unconditionally.
>
> Thank you.
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Not really. The cross-post to AUK is intentional per GOD's will.
> I trust that life is taking care of you in the way you so richly deserve?
It remains my choice to continue walking Christ Jesus, Who keeps me
completely well.
Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your care and concern.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
blu
<lo...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
> blu wrote:
Indeed yes.
>> I trust that life is taking care of you in the way you so richly deserve?
>
> It remains my choice to continue walking Christ Jesus, Who keeps me
> completely well.
>
> Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your care and concern.
No problem, Andrew. You keep well and keep posting. You know we love you..
in a kookish sort of way.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> love unconditionally.
Why, thank you Andrew! And I too love you unconditionally, as per the
Bodhisattva.
But tell me.. why the diabetics group? Surely they don't want to hear
about this. They've enough problems. Trolling support froups isn't nice.
You *do* want to be nice, right?
blu
<lo...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
> Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
Indeed it does. It shows a very low level of intellect and someone who is
so far behind on the path toward enlightenment that it should be kept
silent.
I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added alt.buzzard.rules,
which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind, dear Andrew. It's written
somewhere that the buzzards need enlightenment.
And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your presence is
requested.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It remains my choice to observe and refrain from judging others per the
kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2).
> I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added alt.buzzard.rules,
> which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind, dear Andrew. It's written
> somewhere that the buzzards need enlightenment.
>
> And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your presence is
> requested.
Sorry I am not able to oblige. Please forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Therefore, not amazing.
> >> I trust that life is taking care of you in the way you so richly deserve?
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue walking Christ Jesus, Who keeps me
> > completely well.
> >
> > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your care and concern.
>
> No problem, Andrew. You keep well and keep posting.
LORD willing, I shall.
> You know we love you.. in a kookish sort of way.
It remains my choice to refrain from name-calling.
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> > love unconditionally.
>
> Why, thank you Andrew!
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.
> And I too love you unconditionally, as per the
> Bodhisattva.
The latter would make your love conditional.
> But tell me.. why the diabetics group?
The OP of this thread (orginally titled "Diabetes in India") started in
ASD.
> Surely they don't want to hear
> about this.
If you ever visit ASD, you will see that there has been quite a lively
discussion there involving this thread.
> They've enough problems.
GOD is helping them through it.
> Trolling support froups isn't nice.
Correct.
> You *do* want to be nice, right?
My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
GOD's will be done and not my will.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
blu
<lo...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
> blu wrote:
That is your choice and you are a free person, able to make it. Be free,
Andrew. Free yourself.
>> I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added alt.buzzard.rules,
>> which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind, dear Andrew. It's written
>> somewhere that the buzzards need enlightenment.
>>
>> And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your presence is
>> requested.
>
> Sorry I am not able to oblige. Please forgive all my iniquities.
It's just to get some conversation going. Nothing bad, I wouldn't do that
to you. You've earned a soft spot in this unelightened one's heart.
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> love unconditionally.
Thank you, Dear Andrew. And the same to you.
blu
<lo...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
> blu wrote:
OK, not amazing. Just interesting. How's that?
>> >> I trust that life is taking care of you in the way you so richly deserve?
>> >
>> > It remains my choice to continue walking Christ Jesus, Who keeps me
>> > completely well.
>> >
>> > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your care and concern.
>>
>> No problem, Andrew. You keep well and keep posting.
>
> LORD willing, I shall.
>
>> You know we love you.. in a kookish sort of way.
>
> It remains my choice to refrain from name-calling.
I don't call names. My love for you is an odd sort of love. I can't
adequately describe it. My words fail me.
>> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
>> > love unconditionally.
>>
>> Why, thank you Andrew!
>
> You are welcome.
>
> All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> soul, mind, and strength.
>
>> And I too love you unconditionally, as per the Bodhisattva.
>
> The latter would make your love conditional.
No, the Bodhisattva is about unconditional love of all sentient creatures
on the face of this planet. There are no conditions to this.
>> But tell me.. why the diabetics group?
>
> The OP of this thread (orginally titled "Diabetes in India") started in
> ASD.
Oh, I see.
>> Surely they don't want to hear
>> about this.
>
> If you ever visit ASD, you will see that there has been quite a lively
> discussion there involving this thread.
I don't have diabetis. I've never been to that group.
>> They've enough problems.
>
> GOD is helping them through it.
>
>> Trolling support froups isn't nice.
>
> Correct.
>
>> You *do* want to be nice, right?
>
> My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
>
> GOD's will be done and not my will.
>
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> love unconditionally.
Thank you again, Andrew. You're truly one in a trillion.
Grand Moff Robert Buchanan
Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>:
> Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>> >> >>Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
>> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth
>> >> >> >> >> > worshipping the wrong god:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so very
>> >> >> >> >> sick.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >In a word: Projection.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The real word is TRUTH.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2
>> >> >> > d26 da0 ab97?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Correct.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without
>> >> >> >> >> restrictions.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other
>> >> >> >> >female god of your creation exists.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> In your mind.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Clearly projecting again.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> God has no gender.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why?
>> >> >
>> >> > That is the way HE is.
>> >>
>> >> I just don't understand why a deity would have a gender. Does or
>> >> can GOD procreate?
>> >
>> > GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>> >
>> > HE made us and not the other way around.
>>
>> Well, did he have to fuck somebody else to create all that or did he
>> do it by himself?
>
> The latter.
All right. So why does he have a gender? Does he ever have sex with
people? Is he male for the purpose of impregnating Mary in order to sire
Jesus?
>> > Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is consistent
>> > with HIS having made you and not the other way around.
>>
>> Well, can you explain this to me?
>
> "MY Father is in ME as I am in MY Father. Now that you know ME, you
> also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
So this means that GOD is male for the purpose of having a son, right?
>> You seem to know more about GOD than I do.
>
> My LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
Yeah, but you use books and the Internet too, right?
>> >> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
>> >> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one
>> >> >> visual appearance?
>> >> >
>> >> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD,
>> >> > Who is an infinite being.
>> >>
>> >> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that
>> >> we're capable of perceiving?
>> >
>> > Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
>> >
>> > HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in
>> > Google.
>> >
>> > To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links below
>> > my sigs.
>>
>> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique sense of
>> self- esteem.
>
> You aren't.
Let me try again: GOD appeared on USENET by manifesting himself through
you via his teachings. Is that correct?
>> >> > However, we can know HIM.
>> >> >
>> >> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus
>> >> > Christ.
>> >> >
>> >> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just,
>> >> > and right.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." --
>> >> > LORD Jesus Christ.
>> >> >
>> >> > Amen !
>> >> >
>> >> > Laus Deo ! !
>> >> >
>> >> > Marana tha ! ! !
>> >>
>> >> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the second
>> >> hyphen and it'll work properly.
>> >
>> > The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you.
>> > Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>
>> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
I'm just saying that it's a prickish thing to do. Having to snip your
sig is kind of annoying. Why would you want to be annoying? I don't
think that GOD would want that, do you?
>> and fix
>> your delimiter so the rest of us won't have to snip your sig?
>
> Because such choices made by you demonstrate your possession of the
> free will that GOD has generously given all souls including those
> belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20)
But doesn't GOD promote good netiquette?
>> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert
>> > whom I love unconditionally.
>>
>> Thank you.
>
> You are welcome.
Well, thank you again.
> All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> soul, mind, and strength.
I think you snipped something that I typed about my nasal hair here, but
I'm not sure.
--
Robert Buchanan
Grand Moff of <http://www.robertbuchanan.name/>
Custodian of <http://www.simpy.com/user/rbuchanan>
Master of Mindy (arf)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The ability arises from the free will that GOD has generously given all
souls including those belong to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14, 20).
> Be free, Andrew.
The truth has set me free.
> Free yourself.
Was not able.
GOD is able.
GOD is the truth.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
> >> I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added alt.buzzard.rules,
> >> which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind, dear Andrew. It's written
> >> somewhere that the buzzards need enlightenment.
> >>
> >> And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your presence is
> >> requested.
> >
> > Sorry I am not able to oblige. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> It's just to get some conversation going. Nothing bad, I wouldn't do that
> to you. You've earned a soft spot in this unelightened one's heart.
Again, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind
and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2)
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> > love unconditionally.
>
> Thank you, Dear Andrew. And the same to you.
You are welcome.
All thank and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
If lost people interest you, then yes.
> >> >> I trust that life is taking care of you in the way you so richly deserve?
> >> >
> >> > It remains my choice to continue walking Christ Jesus, Who keeps me
> >> > completely well.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks and much praise to GOD for your care and concern.
> >>
> >> No problem, Andrew. You keep well and keep posting.
> >
> > LORD willing, I shall.
> >
> >> You know we love you.. in a kookish sort of way.
> >
> > It remains my choice to refrain from name-calling.
>
> I don't call names. My love for you is an odd sort of love.
It would be your choice to label yourself as odd.
> I can't
> adequately describe it. My words fail me.
It is impossible to truthfully describe what does not exist.
> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> >> > love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> Why, thank you Andrew!
> >
> > You are welcome.
> >
> > All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> > soul, mind, and strength.
> >
> >> And I too love you unconditionally, as per the Bodhisattva.
> >
> > The latter would make your love conditional.
>
> No, the Bodhisattva is about unconditional love of all sentient creatures
> on the face of this planet. There are no conditions to this.
"As per the Bodhisattva" is a condition.
> >> But tell me.. why the diabetics group?
> >
> > The OP of this thread (orginally titled "Diabetes in India") started in
> > ASD.
>
> Oh, I see.
Glad for you.
> >> Surely they don't want to hear
> >> about this.
> >
> > If you ever visit ASD, you will see that there has been quite a lively
> > discussion there involving this thread.
>
> I don't have diabetis.
Many participants of ASD either have never had diabetes or no longer
have it because they have been cured.
> I've never been to that group.
Your writing about where you have never been is meaningless.
> >> They've enough problems.
> >
> > GOD is helping them through it.
> >
> >> Trolling support froups isn't nice.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> >> You *do* want to be nice, right?
> >
> > My LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
> >
> > GOD's will be done and not my will.
> >
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> > love unconditionally.
>
> Thank you again, Andrew.
You are welcome. All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love
with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> You're truly one in a trillion.
GOD did not use a cookie cutter to make each of us.
All the glory is HIS.
HIS will be done and not my will.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
HE is right.
> So why does he have a gender?
HE simply is the Alpha Male.
"I am." - LORD Jesus Christ **and** GOD.
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
> Does he ever have sex with people?
No.
> Is he male for the purpose of impregnating Mary in order to sire
> Jesus?
No.
> >> > Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is consistent
> >> > with HIS having made you and not the other way around.
> >>
> >> Well, can you explain this to me?
> >
> > "MY Father is in ME as I am in MY Father. Now that you know ME, you
> > also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> So this means that GOD is male for the purpose of having a son, right?
No.
> >> You seem to know more about GOD than I do.
> >
> > My LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
>
> Yeah, but you use books and the Internet too, right?
Not to answer your questions.
> >> >> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> >> >> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one
> >> >> >> visual appearance?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD,
> >> >> > Who is an infinite being.
> >> >>
> >> >> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that
> >> >> we're capable of perceiving?
> >> >
> >> > Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
> >> >
> >> > HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in
> >> > Google.
> >> >
> >> > To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links below
> >> > my sigs.
> >>
> >> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique sense of
> >> self- esteem.
> >
> > You aren't.
>
> Let me try again: GOD appeared on USENET by manifesting himself through
> you via his teachings. Is that correct?
No.
> >> >> > However, we can know HIM.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus
> >> >> > Christ.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just,
> >> >> > and right.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." --
> >> >> > LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Amen !
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Laus Deo ! !
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >> >>
> >> >> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the second
> >> >> hyphen and it'll work properly.
> >> >
> >> > The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you.
> >> > Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick
> >
> > Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
>
> I'm just saying that it's a prickish thing to do.
You remain lost.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert whom
I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>Andrew wrote:
> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote::
> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> >> >>Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > worshipping the wrong god:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so
> >> >> >> >> >> >> very sick.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >In a word: Projection.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> The real word is TRUTH.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Correct.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without
> >> >> >> >> >> >> restrictions.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any
> >> >> >> >> >> >other female god of your creation exists.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> In your mind.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Clearly projecting again.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> God has no gender.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Why?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That is the way HE is.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I just don't understand why a deity would have a gender. Does
> >> >> >> or can GOD procreate?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE made us and not the other way around.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, did he have to fuck somebody else to create all that or did
> >> >> he do it by himself?
> >> >
> >> > The latter.
> >>
> >> All right.
> >
> > HE is right.
>
It would be your choice to call yourself silly.
> >> So why does he have a gender?
> >
> > HE simply is the Alpha Male.
>
> Let me rephrase that question: why isn't HE a woman?
No such thing as an Alpha Female.
"I am Alpha and Omega." -- LORD GOD
> > "I am." - LORD Jesus Christ **and** GOD.
> >
> > Amen !
> >
> > Laus Deo ! !
> >
> > Marana tha ! ! !
>
> Yeah! Right on!
>
> >> Does he ever have sex with people?
> >
> > No.
>
> Not even occasionally, on the side?
No.
> >> Is he male for the purpose of impregnating Mary in order to sire
> >> Jesus?
> >
> > No.
>
> So how did Mary get pregnant?
The Holy Spirit created the embryo that HE implanted in the uterus of
the virgin Mary by using genetic material from two Davidic lineages.
The first as described in Matthew 1 and the second as described in Luke
3. At the time of the writing of these two books, only GOD knew that
our bodies rely on the genetic information from two sets of
chromosomes. This knowledge ("words of the scroll") about the two
different lineages for the Son of Man was sealed until now so that all
will know that indeed there have been successful efforts "to increase
knowledge" as prophesied in Daniel.
"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will
arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from
the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your
people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be
delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake:
some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and
those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the
time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."
(Daniel 12:1-4)
> Did GOD send one of the angels to knock
> her up or something?
No.
> >> >> > Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is
> >> >> > consistent with HIS having made you and not the other way
> >> >> > around.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, can you explain this to me?
> >> >
> >> > "MY Father is in ME as I am in MY Father. Now that you know ME,
> >> > you also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >>
> >> So this means that GOD is male for the purpose of having a son,
> >> right?
> >
> > No.
> >
> >> >> You seem to know more about GOD than I do.
> >> >
> >> > My LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but you use books and the Internet too, right?
> >
> > Not to answer your questions.
>
> Well, what questions do you answer using books and Internet sources?
Questions asked by the knowledgeable.
> >> >> >> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> >> >> >> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have
> >> >> >> >> one visual appearance?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of
> >> >> >> > GOD, Who is an infinite being.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that
> >> >> >> we're capable of perceiving?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in
> >> >> > Google.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links
> >> >> > below my sigs.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique sense
> >> >> of self- esteem.
> >> >
> >> > You aren't.
> >>
> >> Let me try again: GOD appeared on USENET by manifesting himself
> >> through you via his teachings. Is that correct?
> >
> > No.
>
> Well, I'm stumped. Can you give me the MID and/or Google Groups link of
> the message where GOD appeared?
"Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
> >> >> >> > However, we can know HIM.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus
> >> >> >> > Christ.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind,
> >> >> >> > just, and right.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME."
> >> >> >> > -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Amen !
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Laus Deo ! !
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the
> >> >> >> second hyphen and it'll work properly.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you.
> >> >> > Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >> >>
> >> >> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick
> >> >
> >> > Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
> >>
> >> I'm just saying that it's a prickish thing to do.
> >
> > You remain lost.
>
> Okay, I'm sorry that I called you a prick.
You are forgiven as far as I am concerned.
> But really, it's rude of you
> not to render your delimiter functional when you know how to do so.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> GOD doesn't want you to be rude, does he?
In my continued walk with LORD Jesus Christ, HE teaches me to not be
concerned about the opinions of people who are of this world.
> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert whom
> > I love unconditionally.
>
> Thanks!
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises belong to GOD Whom I love with all my heart,
soul, mind, and strength.
> Same to you.
That would indeed be my wish for you that you would someday be able to
pray to GOD.
blu
<gran...@deathstar.galacticempire> exploded onto the scene and screamed
incoherantly:
> I will now respond to a post accessible as
> news:OLmdnf8tYb8ytoXY...@giganews.com by blu
> <b...@groundhogs.roXor>:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:55:44 +0000 Grand Moff Robert Buchanan
>> <gran...@deathstar.galacticempire> exploded onto the scene and
>> screamed incoherantly:
>>
>>> I will now respond to a post accessible as
>>> news:1159209502.8...@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com by "Andrew
>>> B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com>:
>>>
>>>> Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
>>>>> >>Andrew wrote:
>>>>> >> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
>>>>> >> >> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the truth
>>>>> >> >> >> > worshipping the wrong god:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so very
>>>>> >> >> >> sick.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >In a word: Projection.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> The real word is TRUTH.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/a77da2d
>>>>> >> > 26 da0 ab97?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >Correct.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without restrictions.
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any other
>>>>> >> >> >female god of your creation exists.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In your mind.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Clearly projecting again.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> God has no gender.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That is the way HE is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just don't understand why a deity would have a gender. Does or
>>>>> can GOD procreate?
>>>>
>>>> GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
>>>>
>>>> HE made us and not the other way around.
>>>
>>> Well, did he have to fuck somebody else to create all that or did he
>>> do it by himself?
>>
>> psssssst.. it's a chemistry experiment for some high school project
>> gone terribly awry. Anything else that Andrew tells you is nonsense.
>
> I suppose that something was bumped the wrong way when one of the
> homemade volcanos was backed into the elementary school auditorium on a
> flatbed. And suddenly: LIFE!
Exactly how I see it. Yep.
>>>> Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is consistent
>>>> with HIS having made you and not the other way around.
>>>
>>> Well, can you explain this to me? You seem to know more about GOD
>>> than I do.
>>
>> He hears the voices and thinks they are god. Not too terribly logical,
>> but that's our Andrew for you.
>
> Andrew is a strange and wonderful fellow.
Indeed. I've had many lovely conversations with him. He's unique.
>>>>> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
>>>>> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only have one
>>>>> >> visual appearance?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of GOD,
>>>>> > Who is an infinite being.
>>>>>
>>>>> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all that we're
>>>>> capable of perceiving?
>>>>
>>>> Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
>>>>
>>>> HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in
>>>> Google.
>>>>
>>>> To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links below
>>>> my sigs.
>>>
>>> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique sense of
>>> self- esteem.
>>
>> Why are you bothering to analyse Andrew? A kook is a kook is a kook.
>
> It's not really that simple. While most kooks tend to be classifiable
> under a relatively narrow range of personality disorders, each kook
> manifests his or her disorder or set of disorders in unique ways. When
> you understand the nuances of a kook's behavior, you learn to communicate
> with him or her, and subsequently, you can better understand his or her
> rationale and personality.
I follow you.. ok. I'm very good at getting into their heads. Probably
because I'm about "_" that far from kookdom myself. I just don't have a
mission or a jihad to go on.
> Andrew likes to answer questions, so I ask them. He's friendly and
> receptive to inquiry. Even if most of his answers are often vague and
> ideologically driven, he's still far more easy to study than most kooks.
I just can't be bothered to read all the bible verses he posts. But I'm
very happy to see he's made it to AUK. I do wish he'd stop trolling hte
support froups, but he's on a mission..
>>>>> > However, we can know HIM.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus
>>>>> > Christ.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind, just,
>>>>> > and right.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent ME." --
>>>>> > LORD Jesus Christ.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Amen !
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Laus Deo ! !
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Marana tha ! ! !
>>>>>
>>>>> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the second
>>>>> hyphen and it'll work properly.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers you.
>>>> Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>>
>>> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick and fix
>>> your delimiter so the rest of us won't have to snip your sig?
>>
>> As you can plainly see, I have a long, interesting sig. But the
>> deliminator is working. Hopefully.
>
> <checks>
> Yes, your delimiter is functioning properly.
Thank you. I'm using a different one today. It's very short and to the
point.
>>>> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert
>>>> whom I love unconditionally.
>>>
>>> Thank you. My nasal hair, spleen, and esophagus go out to you.
>>
>> May I have your liver? Please?
>
> How about this: I'll hold onto it in the meantime, and I'll have it put
> on ice and delivered to you in the wake of my inevitably horrible and
> bizarre death. Okay?
Sounds like a plan to me. Thx. :)
--
blu*goddess.of.groundhogs*juju
blu 3=3
I'm counting ufo's, I signal them with my lighter
And in this moment I am happy.. -Incubus
blu
<lov...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
Whatever works for you is good by me.
>> Free yourself.
>
> Was not able.
>
> GOD is able.
>
> GOD is the truth.
See above.
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> Amen !
>
> Laus Deo ! !
>
> Marana tha ! ! !
That's a new one. What's it mean?
>> >> I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added
>> >> alt.buzzard.rules, which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind,
>> >> dear Andrew. It's written somewhere that the buzzards need
>> >> enlightenment.
>> >>
>> >> And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your
>> >> presence is requested.
>> >
>> > Sorry I am not able to oblige. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>
>> It's just to get some conversation going. Nothing bad, I wouldn't do
>> that to you. You've earned a soft spot in this unelightened one's
>> heart.
>
> Again, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind
> and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2)
Well, I'm done trying to bring a dead group back to life. It's not
working. So, there's nothing to judge now, for you or for Jesus.
>> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
>> > love unconditionally.
>>
>> Thank you, Dear Andrew. And the same to you.
>
> You are welcome.
You're too kind.
> All thank and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> soul, mind, and strength.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Don't you have love of your own?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
GOD is good.
> >> Free yourself.
> >
> > Was not able.
> >
> > GOD is able.
> >
> > GOD is the truth.
>
> See above.
Please do.
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > Amen !
> >
> > Laus Deo ! !
> >
> > Marana tha ! ! !
>
> That's a new one. What's it mean?
Ready for you to return, LORD Jesus Christ ! ! !
> >> >> I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added
> >> >> alt.buzzard.rules, which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind,
> >> >> dear Andrew. It's written somewhere that the buzzards need
> >> >> enlightenment.
> >> >>
> >> >> And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your
> >> >> presence is requested.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry I am not able to oblige. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> It's just to get some conversation going. Nothing bad, I wouldn't do
> >> that to you. You've earned a soft spot in this unelightened one's
> >> heart.
> >
> > Again, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the kind
> > and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2)
>
> Well, I'm done trying to bring a dead group back to life. It's not
> working. So, there's nothing to judge now, for you or for Jesus.
"It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to
convict, and my job to love." -- Reverend Billy Graham
> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
> >> > love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> Thank you, Dear Andrew. And the same to you.
> >
> > You are welcome.
>
> You're too kind.
Would redirect your praises heavenward.
> > All thank and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
> > soul, mind, and strength.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Don't you have love of your own?
"Love can be given but never possessed." -- Holy Spirit
Amen !
Laus Deo ! !
Marana tha ! ! !
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >>Andrew wrote:
> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > Grand Moff Robert Buchanan wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > GrandpaChuck wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Chuck now knows he is on the wrong side of the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > truth worshipping the wrong god:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> You would be laughable if you weren't so sad and so
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> very sick.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In a word: Projection.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> The real word is TRUTH.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Without the LORD, you remain without the truth:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There are no "sides" to god.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Correct.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> She loves us all unconditionally and without
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> restrictions.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Neither "Queen of Heaven" nor "Mother Nature" nor any
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >other female god of your creation exists.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> In your mind.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Clearly projecting again.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> God has no gender.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Actually, GOD's gender is male.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Why?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > That is the way HE is.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I just don't understand why a deity would have a gender.
> >> >> >> >> Does or can GOD procreate?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > GOD is One of a Kind. HE is the Creator of heaven and earth.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > HE made us and not the other way around.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, did he have to fuck somebody else to create all that or
> >> >> >> did he do it by himself?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The latter.
> >> >>
> >> >> All right.
> >> >
> >> > HE is right.
> >>
> >> How silly of me to forget that!
> >
> > It would be your choice to call yourself silly.
>
... and my choice to refrain from name-calling by agreeing with you.
> >> >> So why does he have a gender?
> >> >
> >> > HE simply is the Alpha Male.
> >>
> >> Let me rephrase that question: why isn't HE a woman?
> >
> > No such thing as an Alpha Female.
>
> So do you think that men are superior to women?
No.
> > "I am Alpha and Omega." -- LORD GOD
> >
> >> > "I am." - LORD Jesus Christ **and** GOD.
> >> >
> >> > Amen !
> >> >
> >> > Laus Deo ! !
> >> >
> >> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >>
> >> Yeah! Right on!
> >>
> >> >> Does he ever have sex with people?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> Not even occasionally, on the side?
> >
> > No.
>
> Maybe just once every millenium?
No.
> >> >> Is he male for the purpose of impregnating Mary in order to sire
> >> >> Jesus?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> So how did Mary get pregnant?
> >
> > The Holy Spirit created the embryo that HE implanted in the uterus of
> > the virgin Mary by using genetic material from two Davidic lineages.
> > The first as described in Matthew 1 and the second as described in
> > Luke 3. At the time of the writing of these two books, only GOD knew
> > that our bodies rely on the genetic information from two sets of
> > chromosomes. This knowledge ("words of the scroll") about the two
> > different lineages for the Son of Man was sealed until now so that all
> > will know that indeed there have been successful efforts "to increase
> > knowledge" as prophesied in Daniel.
>
> So it was essentially a Holy artificial insemination, then. A godly
> turkey-basting, if you will.
No.
It was an in Spirit fertilization and implantation.
> > "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will
> > arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from
> > the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your
> > people-everyone whose name is found written in the book-will be
> > delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake:
> > some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
> > Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and
> > those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and
> > ever. But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until
> > the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase
> > knowledge." (Daniel 12:1-4)
> >
> >> Did GOD send one of the angels to knock
> >> her up or something?
> >
> > No.
>
> Oh.
>
> >> >> >> > Your inability to understand why HIS gender is male is
> >> >> >> > consistent with HIS having made you and not the other way
> >> >> >> > around.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well, can you explain this to me?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "MY Father is in ME as I am in MY Father. Now that you know ME,
> >> >> > you also know MY Father Who sent ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> >>
> >> >> So this means that GOD is male for the purpose of having a son,
> >> >> right?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >> >
> >> >> >> You seem to know more about GOD than I do.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, but you use books and the Internet too, right?
> >> >
> >> > Not to answer your questions.
> >>
> >> Well, what questions do you answer using books and Internet sources?
> >
> > Questions asked by the knowledgeable.
>
> Do you mean to imply that I'm not knowledgeable?
No. Sorry if the implication offended you. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> To say otherwise is a way of putting
> >> >> >> >> >> >> restrictions on god and we cannot do that.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Actually, describing GOD does not restrict HIM.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Can GOD appear as anything he pleases, or does he only
> >> >> >> >> >> have one visual appearance?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > In truth, as finite creatures, we are unable to see all of
> >> >> >> >> > GOD, Who is an infinite being.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So does he just appear as a man to us because that's all
> >> >> >> >> that we're capable of perceiving?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Actually, GOD appears to us according to HIS infinite will.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > HE has even made an appearance here on USENET, as archived in
> >> >> >> > Google.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > To witness this firsthand for yourself, simply surf the links
> >> >> >> > below my sigs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If I'm interpreting this correctly, you have a very unique
> >> >> >> sense of self- esteem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You aren't.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let me try again: GOD appeared on USENET by manifesting himself
> >> >> through you via his teachings. Is that correct?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> Well, I'm stumped. Can you give me the MID and/or Google Groups link
> >> of the message where GOD appeared?
> >
> > "Those who do not work do not eat." -- Holy Spirit
>
> Fair enough. I looked for GOD on USENET, and I found him in
> alt.music.dio:
< repost of message from a god-imposter snipped >
> >> >> >> >> > However, we can know HIM.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD
> >> >> >> >> > Jesus Christ.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Most assuredly, without doubt, I know my LORD to be kind,
> >> >> >> >> > just, and right.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "Now that you know ME, you also know my Father Who sent
> >> >> >> >> > ME." -- LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Amen !
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Laus Deo ! !
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Marana tha ! ! !
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Your signature delimiter is broken. Add a space after the
> >> >> >> >> second hyphen and it'll work properly.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The lack of a space is intentional. Sorry if this bothers
> >> >> >> > you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Instead of me forgiving you, why don't you stop being a prick
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Name-calling simply shows that you are lost.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm just saying that it's a prickish thing to do.
> >> >
> >> > You remain lost.
> >>
> >> Okay, I'm sorry that I called you a prick.
> >
> > You are forgiven as far as I am concerned.
>
> Thank you.
Thanks be to GOD.
> >> But really, it's rude of you
> >> not to render your delimiter functional when you know how to do so.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Isn't this just a way for you to deflect criticism?
No. It simply serves to help you understand why your opinion does not
bother me.
> >> GOD doesn't want you to be rude, does he?
> >
> > In my continued walk with LORD Jesus Christ, HE teaches me to not be
> > concerned about the opinions of people who are of this world.
>
> So according to Jesus, feedback from other people isn't important?
Not the feedback from those who are of this world.
> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert
> >> > whom I love unconditionally.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >
> > You are welcome.
> >
> > All thanks and praises belong to GOD Whom I love with all my heart,
> > soul, mind, and strength.
>
> What, you don't accept any?
Correct.
> >> Same to you.
> >
> > That would indeed be my wish for you that you would someday be able to
> > pray to GOD.
>
> Maybe you should wish for something else, because prayer just isn't my
> cup of tea.
Reading this saddens me.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Robert whom
I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
blu
<lo...@thetruth.com> exploded onto the scene and screamed incoherantly:
Don't you think other things can be good? Am I not good, heathen that I
am?
>> >> Free yourself.
>> >
>> > Was not able.
>> >
>> > GOD is able.
>> >
>> > GOD is the truth.
>>
>> See above.
>
> Please do.
>
>> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life ... " -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> >
>> > Amen !
>> >
>> > Laus Deo ! !
>> >
>> > Marana tha ! ! !
>>
>> That's a new one. What's it mean?
>
> Ready for you to return, LORD Jesus Christ ! ! !
Thank you, Dear Andrew. What language is that?
>> >> >> I've taken out the diabetics, poor souls, and added
>> >> >> alt.buzzard.rules, which is my home froup. I hope you don't mind,
>> >> >> dear Andrew. It's written somewhere that the buzzards need
>> >> >> enlightenment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And it's dead in there today. We need some help. Badly. Your
>> >> >> presence is requested.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sorry I am not able to oblige. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>> >>
>> >> It's just to get some conversation going. Nothing bad, I wouldn't do
>> >> that to you. You've earned a soft spot in this unelightened one's
>> >> heart.
>> >
>> > Again, it remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the
>> > kind and helpful suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:1-2)
>>
>> Well, I'm done trying to bring a dead group back to life. It's not
>> working. So, there's nothing to judge now, for you or for Jesus.
>
> "It is my heavenly Father's job to judge, the Holy Spirit's job to
> convict, and my job to love." -- Reverend Billy Graham
The holy Spirit convicts? Please tell me more. I'm absolutely unfamiliar
with this.
>> >> > May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu
>> >> > whom I love unconditionally.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you, Dear Andrew. And the same to you.
>> >
>> > You are welcome.
>>
>> You're too kind.
>
> Would redirect your praises heavenward.
I put it into your heart. You send it where you will.
>> > All thank and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart,
>> > soul, mind, and strength.
>> >
>> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>
>> Don't you have love of your own?
>
> "Love can be given but never possessed." -- Holy Spirit
I mean, don't you have any love of things other than religion? Like your
chosen field? Your significant other? Your family? I'm confused Andrew.
> Amen !
>
> Laus Deo ! !
>
> Marana tha ! ! !
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15fd908b7bd5e0cb?
Now this is very interesting. For instance:
<quote>
Indeed, before being reborn of water (living water) and the Holy Spirit,
before drinking our LORD's living water, the amount of love in our hearts
was finite.
</quote>
If you've been reborn, as you say, then why is the amount of love in your
heart finite? Souldn't that have been infinite?
> May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Blu whom
I
> love unconditionally.
And I you, Dear Andrew, who loves me unconditionally, heathen that I am.