GIL, GOT THAT SOURCE YET?
Todd W. Vaughan
Have you found your source for your claim the paraffin was applied to
LHO "at 3:45 pm, about an hour after
Oswald was arrested."
I think it was Walt who made a similar claim way back when. I took
both his, and now your claim seriously, but there's just no evidence
for it. All of the evidence indactes it was done at around 9:00 pm.
You do realize that at 3:45 pm, LHO was in the middle of the 1st DPD
interogation session, and there was no paraffin applied to him at that
time, right? Hell, at that time he still had .38 caliber cartridges n
his pocket!
Todd
Todd W. Vaughan
wrote:
Gil,
Having all of the CBS, ABC, and NBC coverage from 11-22-63, and the
following days, on VHS and/or DVD helps to sort all of this out. I
have all of it.
They don't talk about the paraffin test until after LHO was arraigned
for the Tippit murder at 7:00 pm or so, and after the paraffin was
applied at 9:00 pm or so.
Do you have access to the CBS, ABC, NBC coverage?
Todd
YoHarvey
He's hiding Todd. It's what our pathological misfit does best!
aeffects
kissing Todd's ass won't get you anywhere sonny-boy.... we got your
numbah -- Yo-Havey
Todd W. Vaughan
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Gil,
We're trying to do some real research here.
Do you have access to the CBS, ABC, NBC coverage?
If not, do you have the broadcast transcripts?
Todd
Gil Jesus
<aeffe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave , tell the trolls that I've got about 100 assassination books and
about 30 or 40 tapes and I have no intention of going through all of
them trying to find sources. If I come across the source, I'll post
it, but I'm not going to spend days looking for it just to make them
happy.
Todd W. Vaughan
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 11:07:09 -0700 (PDT), aeffects
>
What Gil, you can't tell me yourself?
LOL.
You make a bogus claim about when the paraffin was aplied to LHO
directly to me, but when asked for your source you need to go through
an intermediary?
Weird, Gil, weird.
> that I've got about 100 assassination books and
> about 30 or 40 tapes
Is that all?
>and I have no intention of going through all of
> them trying to find sources.>
It would be a futile search, as there is no source that has the
paraffin being applied to LHO at 3:45.
At 3:45, LHO was still in the first interrogation session. Read the
testimony and reports of those present. Then read the testimony of
Barnes, Hicks, and Fritz that I posted for you to see how much later
the paraffin was applied.
> If I come across the source, I'll post
> it,
You won't, because it doesn't exist.
>but I'm not going to spend days looking for it just to make them
> happy.
It's not to make me happy, Gil, it's support YOUR claim. Extraordinary
claims, Gil, require extraordinary evidence.
Look, I like you Gil, I really do - I like your tenacity. Heck, I even
think JFK is coughing (gagging) in the Z film - I don't however think
he's coughing up a bullet. But I've thought that since the early 80's
and it has nothing to do with you.
Anyways, tell you what, you provide a decent source, not a junk one
from some conspiracy book, but something solidly documented, that
shows the paraffin was appled at 3:45, and I'll send you, at no cost
to you, all of the CBS TV coverage for the weekend of 11-22-63 through
11-24-63 on either VHS or DVD, your choice. But it's got to be a
decent source, Gil, with a a verifiable documented time of 3:45.
On the other hand, Gil, along with that offer, if you can't find a
source, you need to explain why you made such an undocumented claim,
and you get nothing from my archive.
That's a very generous and decent offer Gil. What do you say?
YoHarvey
Dave , tell the trolls that I've got about 100 assassination books
and
about 30 or 40 tapes and I have no intention of going through all of
them trying to find sources. If I come across the source, I'll post
it, but I'm not going to spend days looking for it just to make them
happy.
roflmao, roflmao, roflmao. That about sums up Chico Jesus/Robcap!!!
Gil Jesus
>
> Dave , tell the trolls that I've got about 100 assassination books
> and
> about 30 or 40 tapes and I have no intention of going through all of
> them trying to find sources. If I come across the source, I'll post
> it, but I'm not going to spend days looking for it just to make them
> happy.
>
> roflmao, roflmao, roflmao. �That about sums up Chico Jesus/Robcap!!!-
And I find it comical that those who not only NEVER provide sources
for THEIR arguments and who NEVER discuss the evidence and testimony
( and haven't even bought the WC 26 volumes that they so vociferously
defend, like our friend Ed here ) would have the nerve to be expecting
ANYONE to provide THEM with citations and sources.
Sorry, Ed. The only sources I have readily available are these----
enjoy !!
THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR KNOWN AS YOHARVEY
1.It was YoHarvey, under the screenname baileynme who claimed that the
Oswald rifle had no scope when found. Baileynme-spiffy-YoHarvey wrote:
"The scope was NOT on the MC when it was found. It was laying
alongside the weapon."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e3aedb4b219289ad
But a photo of Lt. Day in the TSBD picking the rifle up by the strap
SHOWS a scope ATTACHED:
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1Lw8sYt--F*VUv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
YOHARVEY AS A SNEAK
2. he/she tried to infiltrate JFKconspiracy under a different
screenname
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
3. he/she claimed that Operation White Star began in Cambodia in 1962,
when in fact it began in Laos in 1958 and ended with the Declaration
of Neutrality in 1962
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f1e7c24a013b01d0
at which time I corrected his/her lack of historical knowledge
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fc6cacfb427769c5
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
4. he/she posted a false "letter" and attributed the author as my
third grade teacher, who claimed to have me in her class at a time
when I was in kindergarten, proving himself/herself once again as a
liar.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4f6f846cc8f05f54
YOHARVEY AS A SNEAK
5. posted an article by Dave Reitzes
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100custody.html
as his own without giving Reitzes any credit
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/293de06a42d2729e
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
6. Then he/she perpetrated a falsehood that:: " In the mid 1950's Lee
Oswald spoke about killing an American President. Palmer MacBride
testified to the WC, in 1956 he befriended Oswald and they often
discussed politics. MacBride said that one central theme discussed was
the "exploitation of the working class" and one one occassion after
they began discussing President Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement
that he would like to kill the President because he was exploiting the
working class.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/275a8c64ca997ce4
but in fact: McBride's affidavit given to the FBI alleged that Oswald
made the statement in "late 1957 or early 1958", not in 1956 as
YoHarvey claimed. The 1957-58 timeframe conflicted with Marine records
that clearly showed that Oswald was in Japan at that time.
http://www.jfkresearch.com/jfk_101.html
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
7. In one post YoHarvey calls the Education Forum the "research
community"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48acfed5de8ec2ac
then he refers to it as a "demented group of misfits"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f100f49279807b0e
in another post he refers to it as "major kook central"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/605057d1f9873de2
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
8. YoHarvey lied when he/she said that I was arrested in March 1994
for not paying a cable TV bill. He/she would like the reader to
believe that the theft of cable TV would go on for 2 or 3 years
without their knowing. He/she provides no evidence to support this
charge except his say so. No links to any police records, court
records, newspaper accounts of the theft. No links. No info.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/515311a1bd65759b
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
9. YoHarvey lied when he said that I believed that Santos Trafficante
meant that JFK was going to be hit by Jackie because she found a bra
under JFK's pillow. I never said that. YOHARVEY DID THEN ATTRIBUTED IT
TO ME!! Here's the link to YoLarvae's ridiculous post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/aeddd4f800150a44
and my response was:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8140300091f92867
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
10. YoHarvey claimed that I said that Connally shot JFK. The post that
was cited is here.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd783b571f900c24
But as the post shows, I didn't actually say it. In fact, if you do a
search of this newsgroup of the phrase "Connally shot JFK", you'll
find that most, if not all of the posts were made by the trolls and
that I never actually said any such thing. I put to rest any notion
that I ever actually said any such thing here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/25bc946d919d2937
causing another round of troll tears.
11. YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
YoHarvey produces a fake newspaper story that claims that I was being
questioned for killing JFK, even though I was only 9 when he was
murdered.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d202c8da08ea114f
YoHarvey/justme1952 makes up LIES as he/she goes along...like these:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bc526ae91bd97331
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/54b99cbd78e1b516
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c31913883d98d97a
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/22423b43ea270314
Not only is he/she a liar, he/she admits to living a lie:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d8a4e3914459a3e9
ANTICHRIST YOHARVEY POKING FUN OF THE CRUCIFIXION
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3e955da36f61d10f
Given his/her propensity for being a sneak, an idiot and lying, can we
believe ANYTHING YoHarvey/baileynme/spiffy says ?
Gil Jesus
minutes after I revealed that you were stealing internet access from
the American Cancer Society, a charitble organization to which I have
in the past donated to.
And to which, I might add, I will not donate to in the future, now
that I know how my money is being spent.
Like I said, if I come across the source from where I got the
information, I'll post it.
And it wasn't 3:45. That was my error. It was "around 2:50 pm"
according to my notes, or about an hour after his arrest.
justm...@gmail.com
> On Jun 1, 7:18�am, YoHarvey <bailey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dave , tell the trolls that I've got about 100 assassination books
> > and
> > about 30 or 40 tapes and I have no intention of going through all of
> > them trying to find sources. If I come across the source, I'll post
> > it, but I'm not going to spend days looking for it just to make them
> > happy.
>
> > roflmao, roflmao, roflmao. �That about sums up Chico Jesus/Robcap!!!-
>
> And I find it comical that those who not only NEVER provide sources
> for THEIR arguments and who NEVER discuss the evidence and testimony
> ( and haven't even bought the WC 26 volumes that they so vociferously
> defend, like our friend Ed here ) would have the nerve to be expecting
> ANYONE to provide THEM with citations and sources.
>
> Sorry, Ed. The only sources I have readily available are these----
> enjoy !!
>
> THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR KNOWN AS YOHARVEY
>
> 1.It was YoHarvey, under the screenname baileynme who claimed that the
> Oswald rifle had no scope when found. Baileynme-spiffy-YoHarvey wrote:
> "The scope was NOT on the MC when it was found. It was laying
> alongside the weapon."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e3aedb4b219289ad
>
> But a photo of Lt. Day in the TSBD picking the rifle up by the strap
> SHOWS a scope ATTACHED:
>
Do you like the way Jesus avoided your comments Todd? This is what he
always does when he's lied. He tries to turn the thread around by
bashing someone else, usually YoHarvey or myself. Thank you Todd for
showing yet another of the famous misleading lies Gil Jesus spews on a
daily basis about the assassination.
He was told that ED. at the end of my website stood for Editor....yet
he made the accusation that Yoharvey was posting as someone named Ed.
He's a idiot to say the least. Rather then admit he lied and was plain
stupid he continues to call YoHarvey Ed, and me Joey. He should be
shoving his head back up his ass where it belongs.
Nothing this lying bigot says is taken seriously anymore. Apparently
he's never heard of the phrase he "Cut off his nose to spite his
face". Gil Jesus is a perfect example of this.
Gil Jesus
wrote:
> He was told that ED. at the end of my website stood for Editor....
It also stands for "erectile deficiency", so what's your point, Joey ?
justm...@gmail.com
Something you know plenty about huh Chico? That stems from being a
mommas boy...another thing you're familiar with.
What did you do donate a used car part to the American Cancer Society?
What does donating to the ACS have to do with your lies you started
about Todd stealing their internet access???? Don't try and show your
some righteous person now, we all know your background. Too late
Chico...you made the bed you're lying in.
My point is your a lying piece of shit, and an ignorant one to boot.
Instead of admitting you were stupid you continue to prove your
stupidity. You don't even need any help from us....LMAO...you're
pathetic to say the least.
Todd W. Vaughan
Gilfish,
I told you the truth yesterday that I was at a Wendy’s restaurant that
offered free WIFI and that was where I was posting from. I even went
out of my way and asked them at the counter and then provided you with
the telephone numbers of that same Wendys. Did you bother to call? I
bet you didn’t.
I don’t know why Wendy’s WIFI has some connection to the American
Cancer Society, if that’s even true, and it’s not my problem – they
offer free WIFI and I use it from time to time.
As for your claim that my request for your source was made “48 minutes
after” you falsely accused me of stealing internet access from the
American Cancer Society, and that you find this “disturbing”, please
note that I originally requested your post your source back on 28 May
2008 at 9:12 pm., but you apparently decided to ignore my request.
I wonder, Gil, did you find my request disturbing then as well? Is
that why it went ignored?
Rest easy Gil - it’s being ignored is the only thing that prompted
yesterday’s follow-up.
Now, as for the time the paraffin was applied to LHO, 3:45pm, 2:50pm,
gee whiz Gil, you’re all over the board on the time, aren’t you?
Thinking about this late last night made me recall that your pal
Tomnln made a similar claim back in January of 2006.
Yup, ole’ Tom claimed that the paraffin was applied to LHO at 3:50pm,
and claimed the source was page 560 of GPO edition of the Warren
Commission Report. Of course when I checked that page I found that Tom
was lying – there was no time given for the application of the
paraffin to LHO. Let’s check it out:
QUOTE ON
"During the course of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald
following the assassination a paraffin test was performed by the
Dallas
police on both of his hands and his right cheek. The paraffin cast of
Oswald's hands reacted positively to the test. The cast of the right
cheek showed no reaction."
QUOTE OFF
See, Gil, nowhere does page 560 say anything about the paraffin being
applied to LHO at 3:50 p.m. In fact, page 560 and even the pages
around 560 fail to say anything AT ALL about any specific time that
the paraffin was applied.
Tomnln lied.
So just what the heck is it with you CT’ers and all of these bogus
claims about when the paraffin was applied?
I mean, you guys are the ones making the claims, even citing specific
times - one would think you’d be able to, that you’d even WANT TO,
back your claims up with facts. But you guys never can. Exactly what’s
going on here?
Well, Gil, I’ll tell you what I think is going on.
It’s that you CT'ers know Goddamned well that the paraffin was applied
at about 9:00 pm and therefore LHO had a 7 and a half hour period
where he could have washed his hands and his face. Perhaps in one of
the TSBD bathrooms? Perhaps in the Texas Theater’s bathroom? Or
perhaps in a DPD bathroom (don’t you think he was allowed to take a
leak at some point – there were bathrooms right in the lobby of the
elevator that was taking him down to the line-ups and back up to
Fritz’s office).
But, knowing that, you guys lie about it and make up varying bogus
times that have no support whatsoever, just to prop up your claims
that the paraffin test shows LHO didn’t fire a rifle.
It’s repulsive.
Todd
P.S. Too bad you won’t take me up on my offer – those CBS tapes are a
wonderful resource, full of never before seen interviews and film
footage.
muc...@gmail.com
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.assassination.jfk/browse_frm/threa...
I suspect that Gil and others are relying on published chronologies
like the one below.
[The JFK Assassination Chronology: 22 November 1963, by Ira David Wood
III]
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono2.pdf
"2:50 PM (Nov. 22, 1963) Dallas police take a paraffin test of
Oswald’s hands and right cheek. Test is positive for hands; negative
for the face. His interrogation continues." (Unsourced)
"6:20 PM (Nov. 22, 1963) Oswald’s second interrogation begins.
Sometime after 6 PM a paraffin test is made on LHO’s hand. LHO says:
““What are you trying to do, prove that I fired a gun?” W.E. Barnes
conducts the test in Capt. Fritz’s office." (Source: WC)
"8:55 PM (Nov. 22, 1963) Detectives J. B. Hicks and Robert Studebaker
take Lee Harvey Oswald to the Homicide and Robbery Office for
fingerprinting. A few minutes later, Detective Pete Barnes comes in
and the three crime lab men make paraffin casts of Oswald’s hands and
right cheek. The tests come back positive for his hands and negative
for his right cheek, indicating that Lee Harvey Oswald may have fired
a pistol but not a rifle." (Unsourced)
Todd W. Vaughan
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LMFAO!
Ah yes the "Woods" chronology in one of the Fetzer books.
I have that, and I remember starting to read the chronology and
thinking how much he had wrong.
Good God man, he has the DPD doing 3 paraffin tests of LHO in a 5 hour
period!
LMFAO!
And of course Wood's entry for a 2:50 pm paraffin test is unsourced -
it didn't happen then!
His entry for one occuring after 6pm is basd on Barnes testimony where
he wasn't sure of the time.
LMFAO!
This is their source?
This is their "research"?
You've got to be kidding me!
No, no, no Gil would NEVER have gotten the CBS tapes fromme with this
as his source.
LOL!