I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!

[Julie Bove]

I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me! I haven't felt
this hungry since the 1980's when I went on that extreme diet and I know I
wasn't eating enough. What I did back then was go to sleep to try to forget
about the hunger. I don't want to go to sleep now.

I have also been bad. We got dinner tonight from Wendy's and we bought it
home. I got chili. There were two, yes, TWO beans in my chili! So not
enough carbs. I ate Red Vines. I probably ate too many Red Vines to make
up for the missing carbs. And then I ate cashews. And then I ate more Red
Vines. And I am STILL hungry!

Why? I am pretty sure I am eating enough. Grrrrrrr.

There isn't much else I can eat between meals. I do have some SF Jell-O but
I don't really like it and frankly it just doesn't fill me up. The only raw
veggies I have are carrots, celery and onions.
Those just don't sound appealing. Neither do canned green beans. Wah!

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me!

It isn't killing you.

> I haven't felt
> this hungry since the 1980's when I went on that extreme diet and I know I
> wasn't eating enough.

Instead of a feeling, hunger is the ability to eat combined with the
desire to eat.

> What I did back then was go to sleep to try to forget
> about the hunger. I don't want to go to sleep now.
>
> I have also been bad. We got dinner tonight from Wendy's and we bought it
> home. I got chili. There were two, yes, TWO beans in my chili! So not
> enough carbs. I ate Red Vines. I probably ate too many Red Vines to make
> up for the missing carbs. And then I ate cashews. And then I ate more Red
> Vines. And I am STILL hungry!
>
> Why?

You are still able to eat.

> I am pretty sure I am eating enough. Grrrrrrr.

Losing the ability to eat (i.e. not hungry) means eating too much
instead of just enough.

> There isn't much else I can eat between meals. I do have some SF Jell-O but
> I don't really like it and frankly it just doesn't fill me up. The only raw
> veggies I have are carrots, celery and onions.
> Those just don't sound appealing. Neither do canned green beans. Wah!

And, so you are suffering from the "hunger is starvation" delusion
which is the reason why you have type-2 diabetes.

You will not be cured of this delusion and your type-2 diabetes until
you http://WDJW.net/Guard (Proverbs 4:23) the heart by holding to the
right amount, which is 32 oz of daily food thereby stopping the
overeating without harmful undernourishment.

Yes, right amount ( http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER Approach ) control as
Chris Malcolm, MU, **and** Rod Eastman are doing is much more
sophisticated and smarter:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?

and

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/522ce5c058224656?

**and**

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/da03131060efa3b5?

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/055f2e7cf3c590ee?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

... because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
EmoryIMVC.org Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

[GysdeJongh]

Julie Bove wrote:
> I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me!

the hunger is not killing you, the eating is

[Trawley Trash]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:59:02 -0700
"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

> I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me! I
> haven't felt this hungry since the 1980's when I went on that extreme
> diet and I know I wasn't eating enough. What I did back then was go
> to sleep to try to forget about the hunger. I don't want to go to
> sleep now.

Books help me. Plans for projects I will probably never do.
Usenet. No TV because of food ads.

> I have also been bad. We got dinner tonight from Wendy's and we
> bought it home. I got chili. There were two, yes, TWO beans in my
> chili! So not enough carbs. I ate Red Vines. I probably ate too
> many Red Vines to make up for the missing carbs. And then I ate
> cashews. And then I ate more Red Vines. And I am STILL hungry!
>
> Why? I am pretty sure I am eating enough. Grrrrrrr.

Part of it is your BG is getting low. You need to keep reducing
insulin. If your response to dairy free is similar to mine, then
this may go on for a couple of years. It takes that long for
the beta cells to grow back.

The food you eat make me cringe. Chili from Wendy's? Make your
own chili in a crock pot and freeze portions of it. Then you will
know what is in it. Just be sure to refrigerate it overnight
before you freeze it; otherwise freezing spoils it.

You did not say what you drank with your fast food meal. If it didn't have
sugar, it almost certainly had caffeine. I seldom drink anything
but green tea (has no caffeine) or filtered water. Caffeine makes
me impulsive which leads to binge eating.

From what I remember red licorice is mostly corn starch and sugar.
That plus your abuse of popcorn makes me wonder if you might be
allergic to corn.

Cashews are highly addicting. I went through some only last week.
I only buy a small quantity from the bulk bins. We should only
eat a few nuts at a time; they are highly concentrated.

> There isn't much else I can eat between meals. I do have some SF
> Jell-O but I don't really like it and frankly it just doesn't fill me
> up. The only raw veggies I have are carrots, celery and onions.
> Those just don't sound appealing. Neither do canned green beans.
> Wah!

If your raw carrots don't taste good, then shop around and find some
that taste better. There is a wide variation.

Or you could chop the carrots up and fry them with the onions and
and celery. Use only a tablespoon of olive oil. Cover and add
a little water so the cooking is mostly by steam. A little soy
sauce and fresh ginger just before the carrots turn soft. Maybe
a dash of cayenne pepper.

A similar treatment with *fresh* string beans is also tasty.
Are those the 69-cent canned veggies? I don't like them either.
Frozen is OK in an emergency.

If you spend more time cooking, you will eat less.

[A Moose in Love]

On Mar 31, 10:00 am, Trawley Trash <tr...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:59:02 -0700

<snip>

>
>   You did not say what you drank with your fast food meal.  If it didn't have
>   sugar, it almost certainly had caffeine.  I seldom drink anything
>   but green tea (has no caffeine) or filtered water.  Caffeine makes
>   me impulsive which leads to binge eating.

Green tea does have caffeine, unless you purchase the decaffeinated
green tea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_tea
{
Caffeine
Unless specifically decaffeinated, green tea contains caffeine
}

[MaryL]

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news:jl69vp$i1n$1...@dont-email.me...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I haven't kept up with your posts, so I'm not sure what you can eat. Based
on what has worked for me (and I have not needed diabetes medication since
2004), I can tell you that you are eating *too little* healthy food and *too
much* unhealthy food. It sounds to me like you need a lot more fresh
veggies (and do it even if it does not appeal to you) and stay completely
away from all the junk. Could you cut up several veggies (zucchini, yellow
squash, bell peppers, broccoli, cauliflower, mushrooms, etc.) and stir fry
it in a little olive oil, possibly with a small amount of chicken? If you
are not allergic to those items, you could eat *lots* of that. If you don't
want to spend the time cutting up the veggies, you could get a bag of
shredded veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, carrots) and stir fry that (using a
little olive oil) with some chicken? And I would suggest that you work on
eating food that is healthy and ignore your feelings of "I don't like that"
or "I could never do that." We all need to learn to eat foods that will
work with our diabetes. In my case, I went cold turkey when I was
diagnosed, and I *never* eat flour, pasta, rice, white potatoes, or added
sugar (meaning, there is natural sugar in fruit and some veggies, but I
never add sugar of any kind). That is too rigid for many people, but it
eliminated all my cravings and hunger pangs. If I'm hungry, I eat--but I
eat healthy foods like fresh veggies.

MaryL

[Julie Bove]

"Trawley Trash" <tr...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:l8fj49-...@jester.gnet...

> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:59:02 -0700
> "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me! I
>> haven't felt this hungry since the 1980's when I went on that extreme
>> diet and I know I wasn't eating enough. What I did back then was go
>> to sleep to try to forget about the hunger. I don't want to go to
>> sleep now.
>
> Books help me. Plans for projects I will probably never do.
> Usenet. No TV because of food ads.

Well, I was watching cooking shows. And if I were to read it would be a
cookbook.

>
>> I have also been bad. We got dinner tonight from Wendy's and we
>> bought it home. I got chili. There were two, yes, TWO beans in my
>> chili! So not enough carbs. I ate Red Vines. I probably ate too
>> many Red Vines to make up for the missing carbs. And then I ate
>> cashews. And then I ate more Red Vines. And I am STILL hungry!
>>
>> Why? I am pretty sure I am eating enough. Grrrrrrr.
>
> Part of it is your BG is getting low. You need to keep reducing
> insulin. If your response to dairy free is similar to mine, then
> this may go on for a couple of years. It takes that long for
> the beta cells to grow back.

Yes. I think it was low. It was 132 before bed which is slightly high but
you'd think it would have been higher. I ate a lot of Red Vines.

>
> The food you eat make me cringe. Chili from Wendy's? Make your
> own chili in a crock pot and freeze portions of it. Then you will
> know what is in it. Just be sure to refrigerate it overnight
> before you freeze it; otherwise freezing spoils it.

I wasn't home so got food out. Daughter won't eat chili. So I won't make
it. I do have canned chili that is waaaay better than Wendy's. Friday is a
very busy day. We usually eat out but it was so rainy I didn't want to go
out in it again so we took the food to go.

> You did not say what you drank with your fast food meal. If it didn't
> have
> sugar, it almost certainly had caffeine. I seldom drink anything
> but green tea (has no caffeine) or filtered water. Caffeine makes
> me impulsive which leads to binge eating.

I only drink Diet Coke with Lime. I would never drink anything with sugar.
And I always drink a lot of caffeine.

>
> From what I remember red licorice is mostly corn starch and sugar.
> That plus your abuse of popcorn makes me wonder if you might be
> allergic to corn.

No cornstarch. It's wheat flour. And no, not allergic.

>
> Cashews are highly addicting. I went through some only last week.
> I only buy a small quantity from the bulk bins. We should only
> eat a few nuts at a time; they are highly concentrated.

Well they arre not addicting to me because I honestly don't like them.
Which is why I can't understand why I am craving them.

>> There isn't much else I can eat between meals. I do have some SF
>> Jell-O but I don't really like it and frankly it just doesn't fill me
>> up. The only raw veggies I have are carrots, celery and onions.
>> Those just don't sound appealing. Neither do canned green beans.
>> Wah!
>
> If your raw carrots don't taste good, then shop around and find some
> that taste better. There is a wide variation.

They taste fine. I just don't want them.

>
> Or you could chop the carrots up and fry them with the onions and
> and celery. Use only a tablespoon of olive oil. Cover and add
> a little water so the cooking is mostly by steam. A little soy
> sauce and fresh ginger just before the carrots turn soft. Maybe
> a dash of cayenne pepper.

I wouldn't want to eat that.

>
> A similar treatment with *fresh* string beans is also tasty.
> Are those the 69-cent canned veggies? I don't like them either.
> Frozen is OK in an emergency.
>

69 cent? I wish! Canned veggies are more like $1.89 a can here.

> If you spend more time cooking, you will eat less.

Nope. If I am cooking I will eat more.

[Julie Bove]

"GysdeJongh" <JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl> wrote in message
news:4f770e3e$0$30973$8a7a...@news4.usenet4u.nl...

> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me!
>
> the hunger is not killing you, the eating is

I don't think I actually overate calorie-wise. It is just unusual for me to
be hungry.

[Julie Bove]

"MaryL" <stan...@invalid.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f772166$0$23848$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net...

I am intolerant to chicken and can't eat most veggies due to the
gastroparesis. It's not just a matter of "I don't like that" for many
foods. Those foods make me very sick. Note that I don't like cashews and
yet I ate them because I crave them. I *have* to eat carbs. If I don't, I
go hypo.

[Trawley Trash]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:26:56 -0700

"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
> "Trawley Trash" <tr...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:l8fj49-...@jester.gnet...
> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:59:02 -0700
> > "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know what this hunger thing is but it's killing me! I
> >> haven't felt this hungry since the 1980's when I went on that
> >> extreme diet and I know I wasn't eating enough. What I did back
> >> then was go to sleep to try to forget about the hunger. I don't
> >> want to go to sleep now.
> >
> > Books help me. Plans for projects I will probably never do.
> > Usenet. No TV because of food ads.
>
> Well, I was watching cooking shows. And if I were to read it would
> be a cookbook.

I think you need a new hobby.

> > The food you eat make me cringe. Chili from Wendy's? Make your
> > own chili in a crock pot and freeze portions of it. Then you will
> > know what is in it. Just be sure to refrigerate it overnight
> > before you freeze it; otherwise freezing spoils it.
>
> I wasn't home so got food out. Daughter won't eat chili. So I won't
> make it. I do have canned chili that is waaaay better than Wendy's.
> Friday is a very busy day. We usually eat out but it was so rainy I
> didn't want to go out in it again so we took the food to go.

You can live like that, and accidents will happen. My choice is
to bring food with me, or arrange in advance to eat in one of the
very few places that do not make me ill.

> > You did not say what you drank with your fast food meal. If it
> > didn't have
> > sugar, it almost certainly had caffeine. I seldom drink anything
> > but green tea (has no caffeine) or filtered water. Caffeine makes
> > me impulsive which leads to binge eating.
>
> I only drink Diet Coke with Lime. I would never drink anything with
> sugar. And I always drink a lot of caffeine.

Most people do.

> > From what I remember red licorice is mostly corn starch and sugar.
> > That plus your abuse of popcorn makes me wonder if you might be
> > allergic to corn.
>
> No cornstarch. It's wheat flour. And no, not allergic.

They had a big stack of cannisters in the supermarket, and I checked:
*corn* syrup, wheat starch, citric acid, and at the end red #40.
Most of it is high-fructose corn syrup. There is nothing worse
for diabetes, or for setting off food cravings. And do not get me
started about coal tar dyes used as food coloring.

> > Cashews are highly addicting. I went through some only last week.
> > I only buy a small quantity from the bulk bins. We should only
> > eat a few nuts at a time; they are highly concentrated.
>
> Well they arre not addicting to me because I honestly don't like
> them. Which is why I can't understand why I am craving them.

Sugar crash from the HFCS and caffeine jitters.

> >> There isn't much else I can eat between meals. I do have some SF
> >> Jell-O but I don't really like it and frankly it just doesn't fill
> >> me up. The only raw veggies I have are carrots, celery and onions.
> >> Those just don't sound appealing. Neither do canned green beans.
> >> Wah!
> >
> > If your raw carrots don't taste good, then shop around and find
> > some that taste better. There is a wide variation.
>
> They taste fine. I just don't want them.

I guess you want to have diabetes then.

> > Or you could chop the carrots up and fry them with the onions and
> > and celery. Use only a tablespoon of olive oil. Cover and add
> > a little water so the cooking is mostly by steam. A little soy
> > sauce and fresh ginger just before the carrots turn soft. Maybe
> > a dash of cayenne pepper.
>
> I wouldn't want to eat that.

I would prefer to add some tomato and cabbage actually. But it is odd
that you would pick out a combination that I actually do eat
sometimes.

> > A similar treatment with *fresh* string beans is also tasty.
> > Are those the 69-cent canned veggies? I don't like them either.
> > Frozen is OK in an emergency.
> >
> 69 cent? I wish! Canned veggies are more like $1.89 a can here.

Hmmm. It was not too long ago you said you were rushing off to
Albertson's for some 69-cent-a-can veggies. Our Albertson's here
had a $1 an item sale on mostly candy. I did pick up a fly swatter,
but I don't eat flies.

> > If you spend more time cooking, you will eat less.
>
> Nope. If I am cooking I will eat more.

Not if you are careful about what you eat.

[Julie Bove]

"Trawley Trash" <tr...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:f7bm49-...@jester.gnet...

Albertson's did have veggies on sale a few weeks back. I can't remember the
price. There was a limit and we bought the limit. I don't like frozen
veggies. I grew up on canned.

>
>> > If you spend more time cooking, you will eat less.
>>
>> Nope. If I am cooking I will eat more.
>
> Not if you are careful about what you eat.

No.

[outsider]

On 4/1/2012 3:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I don't like frozen
> veggies. I grew up on canned.

I grew up on canned and fresh, whenever they were in season.
Growing up we had an ancient Norge ammonia based fridge with
just a tiny little freezer that was barely large enough to
make 2 trays of ice, so there really was no choice in the
matter.

These days I like my own frozen best, because it is usually
under 2 hours from the garden to the freezer. Steamed a year
later, they taste just as they did the day they came in from
the garden.

The problem with most commercially preserved vegetables, IMO, is
that there's too much time between harvest and processing. Even so,
I find that frozen is much better than canned, perhaps because I
don't boil stuff, I steam it and I prefer most things just a bit
on the crunchy side, so they're never overcooked as is the case
with canned goods.

[Julie Bove]

"outsider" <outs...@sometime.individual.net> wrote in message
news:9trts3...@mid.individual.net...

We had some fresh because we usually had a garden but... Here in WA there
could be many a year where there wasn't much to harvest.

My grandma cooked her beans to death so canned don't bother me at all. And
they are Angela's favorite so we eat them often.

[outsider]

The typical growing season here is 80 days with and August killing
frost from time to time. One summer in the past 9 years we had such a
cold summer that nothing ripened. I had tons of green tomatoes.

> My grandma cooked her beans to death so canned don't bother me at all. And
> they are Angela's favorite so we eat them often.

My string beans are blanched and frozen within a couple of hours after
harvesting. I steam them a bit crisp for eating. I previously had in
laws in Georgia who canned beans and such, adding salicylic acid to
acidify beans and corn enough to only require atmospheric boiling.
Without acidifying the stuff it would require a pressure cooker to
achieve the temperatures necessary them.

My European family still preserves fruits into jams by adding salicylic
acid to help. The first time I returned to visit them my head, hands,
and feet puffed up because of that stuff. Doubtless I had some
sort of allergy to whatever they added.

[Julie Bove]

"outsider" <outs...@sometime.individual.net> wrote in message

news:9tsj1j...@mid.individual.net...

I don't think canning them that way is considered safe today. I shudder to
think of how I used to can things.

My grandma read something in the newspaper about botulism in canned green
beans. What she failed to notice was that they referred to home canned
beans. So she bought store bought canned beans and still boiled them for
hours.

[outsider]

No matter what we do, someone eventually finds fault with it. In
reading a bunch of internet sites I wouldn't be afraid of adding
certain acids and low pressure (212F) boiling. YMMV

> My grandma read something in the newspaper about botulism in canned green
> beans. What she failed to notice was that they referred to home canned
> beans. So she bought store bought canned beans and still boiled them for
> hours.

There's a lot of misunderstanding about a lot of things in this world.

[Trawley Trash]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:00:20 -0700
> Trawley Trash <tr...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> You did not say what you drank with your fast food meal. If it
>> didn't have sugar, it almost certainly had caffeine. I seldom drink
>> anything but green tea (has no caffeine) or filtered water. Caffeine
>> makes me impulsive which leads to binge eating.

A Moose In Love replied through google:

> Green tea does have caffeine, unless you purchase the
> decaffeinated green tea.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_tea

Numbers please. There are no numbers in that article.

A short web search brings up a number of references on the
point with conflicting information.

Chinese have different types of tea. Morning teas have
high caffeine, and evening teas have less. The tea that
I use is sold as an evening tea in Asian markets. Looking
over the references it looks like this type of tea has anywhere
from 1/5 to 1/10 the caffeine in a cup of coffee. This is
comparable to a cup of decaffeinated coffee, and less than
the amount in soft drinks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine

Of course you can find amped up green tea as well.

It seems there are also caffeine test strips that can be used
to test beverages for caffeine:

http://www.ehow.com/how_7856440_determine-coffee-tea-soft-drinks.html

I also found that it is a simple matter to remove most of
the remaining caffeine from tea by brewing it carefully.

[Julie Bove]

"Trawley Trash" <tr...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

news:8mmn49-...@jester.gnet...

I don't know how much caffeine is in it but I do know it has some. My
daughter had to avoid caffeine for a while because it was causing problems
that resulted in UTI's. At the time she was drinking a lot of green tea.
She had to stop.

[Trawley Trash]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
A Moose in Love <parkstre...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Green tea does have caffeine, unless you purchase the decaffeinated
> green tea.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_tea
> {
> Caffeine
> Unless specifically decaffeinated, green tea contains caffeine
> }

Yes. I was thinking of the way I brew it and comparing it to the
way I brew coffee. There are some very strong green teas out there.
Its a shame we do not have a better way of measuring the caffeine
in our beverages.

Welcome back to the outside world!

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Julie Bove wrote:
> "I Worry" wrote:
>
> > Have you, or would you have the surgery to rid your body of diabetes?
>
> No.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e210b58e11adddc3?

Indeed, surgery cannot cure your "hunger is starvation" delusion:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2aa0d440720ec54c?

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

...because we mindfully choose to openly care with our heart,

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

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[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

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[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

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[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Julie Bove wrote:
> "I Worry" wrote:
>
> > Have you, or would you have the surgery to rid your body of diabetes?
>
> No.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e210b58e11adddc3?

Indeed, surgery cannot cure your "hunger is starvation" delusion:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2aa0d440720ec54c?

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0e719da5c2d970ca?

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Julie Bove wrote:
> "I Worry" wrote:
>
> > Have you, or would you have the surgery to rid your body of diabetes?
>
> No.

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e210b58e11adddc3?

Indeed, surgery cannot cure your terrible "hunger is starvation"

delusion:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2aa0d440720ec54c?

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

Indeed, only the truth (John 14:6) can cure you:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a81a73f828c35ae2?

Being hungrier really is wonderfully healthier and is not starvation:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/eb477f76c3071d56?

So don't be an Ayoob:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/91c1431a6b413912?

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "I'm starving!"

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df55a119465c1?

>
> I don't know why. Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast. BG was not
> so good then. 181 before and 258 after. But it had dropped to 121 before
> dinner. Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
> it. BG was 134 after. So slightly higher than it should be but not a
> concern. This was on the lower dose of insulin. Will lower the breakfast
> insulin tomorrow. But...
>
> I am starving!

No you are not.

> Why?

Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
on Usenet.

> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?

Being hungry means being able to digest food.

> I just don't know.

You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" (Genesis
25:32) delusion which scrambles the mind:

"I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d86f761b4881e2?

> Ate a handful of peanuts. Didn't quell the hunger.

That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
likely kill the hunger and you.

> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives. Still hungry. Grrr...

Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
type-2 diabetes from the outset.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Jimmy Alpha GeD]

On 8/3/2012 9:11 PM, sightwalker with a phd said:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "I'm starving!"

I understand...

> Source:
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df555c1?

>
>>
>> I don't know why. Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast. BG was not
>> so good then. 181 before and 258 after. But it had dropped to 121 before
>> dinner. Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of veggies in
>> it. BG was 134 after. So slightly higher than it should be but not a
>> concern. This was on the lower dose of insulin. Will lower the breakfast
>> insulin tomorrow. But...
>>
>> I am starving!
>
> No you are not.

Charlie, it's an expression we in the new world use, also known as
idiom's. We all know no one starves in the US of A unless they're strong
out on drugs or booze, Obama takes care of us.

>> Why?
>
> Because starving people are dying from **weeks** of not eating and
> dying people can't eat (i.e. are not hungry) much less type and post
> on Usenet.

I'm starving for a creamsicle, and just had one yesterday!

>> Could it be that I am now digesting my food?
>
> Being hungry means being able to digest food.

Pooping does too.

>> I just don't know.
>

> You are suffering terribly from the "hunger is starvation" delusion which scrambles the mind:

As seen from your own mind oh scrambled one?

> "I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!" -- Julie Bove

Me too, I want a creamsicle...

> Source:
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/15d8612?

>
>> Ate a handful of peanuts. Didn't quell the hunger.

Sex is a wonderful queller of most anything for men, for girls the
peanuts should be covered in hot chocolate on ice cream.

> That which kills the hunger would be killing you.

We are all dying, go out happy...

> If you were to increase the amount of peanuts to 100 lbs, it would
> likely kill the hunger and you.

But 2lbs would be fine?

>> So I ate a bowl of little dill pickles and a few black olives. Still hungry. Grrr...
>
> Yes, your "hunger is starvation" delusion is what caused you to have
> type-2 diabetes from the outset.

Is she *black*, I know I see a lot of blacks with no feet, that's how I
judge if fat blacks have type 2
Jimmy Alpha GeD

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[%]

.


everybody eat and don't stop

[Virgil]

In article
<407b0205-27b2-451c...@u15g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

`
> > I am starving!
--

[Jimmy Alpha GeD]

sightwalker with a phd said:

> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "I'm starving!"

Everyone knows the feeling of starving, it's ok to feel you're starving,
but now we must find the "why" for that feeling.

> Source:
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df465c1?

>
>>
>> I don't know why. Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast. BG
was not
>> so good then. 181 before and 258 after. But it had dropped to 121
before
>> dinner. Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of
veggies in
>> it. BG was 134 after. So slightly higher than it should be but not a
>> concern. This was on the lower dose of insulin. Will lower the
breakfast
>> insulin tomorrow. But...
>>
>> I am starving!

Julie, let Jimmy give insight on why you girls feel you are always
*starving*.

> No you are not.

You see Dr sightwalker is right, you're not really starving for food,
but *starving* for sex, making baby. Mother nature/evolution over aeons
programed you to know fat was the healthy way to have children. Hence
this is one of the reasons on average the fat women can enjoy sex more
than her skinny counter part. Fat gives you the feeling of security,
skinny and you'll be more suicidal. Why do you think men take ladies out
to eat? It's to ready them for sex! That's why a medium pizza and a
little sex work so well together. Beer gives a filling feeling too and a
little buzz, hence beer is great for sexual simulations. Remember your
over eating is basically a substitute for your lack of sex. Hence more
food equals a need for more sex, not a diet.

This is from Jimmy not some text book but true none the less, I say have
a BLT and beer then go bang them calories off doing your part to make
someone else happy as you help find yourself.

I hope this helps you understand your *starving* is coming from your
loin's, telling you to have beer and get wild! If you *starve* a lot,
drink lite beer and enjoy having the extra pounds pounded off.

The tripe about omars or omers or whatever from sightwalker makes for
wonderful humor, but from a dreadfully sick chap who may only want to
sell you his little diet book and not care about your well being? One
has perhaps died from under eating who may have been under the two pound
diet, we don't want you to be number two.

Do for free as Jimmy tells ya, and make the world a better place.
Jimmy "vote King Obama out" Alpha GeD

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Jimmy Alpha GeD]

sightwalker with a phd said:

> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "I'm starving!"

Everyone knows the feeling of starving, it's ok to feel you're starving,
but now we must find the "why" for that feeling.

> Source:
> https://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/e55df465c1?
>
>>

>> I don't know why. Had my usual whole wheat toast for breakfast. BG
was not
>> so good then. 181 before and 258 after. But it had dropped to 121
before
>> dinner. Had a brown rice casserole with ground beef and tons of
veggies in
>> it. BG was 134 after. So slightly higher than it should be but not a
>> concern. This was on the lower dose of insulin. Will lower the
breakfast
>> insulin tomorrow. But...
>>
>> I am starving!

[Happy Oyster]

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:09:50 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:


>> I am starving!
>
>No you are not.

Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is an insane and criminal liar. He has a
deathlist online with the names of more than 260 persons.



On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT), "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

>> Transcripsion is somewhat like
>>
>> <quote>
>> Andrew Chung, my name is John Day and I am the director of the security of
>> First Baptist Church of Woodstock.
>> Andrew, I need to inform you that you are not allowed to come back to our
>> campus.
>> I don't want you to show up this weekend, I don't want you to come back, okay?
>> That for what (?) you were making today you need to know, that if you do come
>> back, you will be removed from the pogrin (?)
>> Beyond that, if you come back, I will call the police.
>> Andrew, allow us to end peacefully,
>> Allow being right meal. (???)
>> Thank you.
>> Happy day.
>> </quote>
>
>Your errors in

Errors? Do read the FAQ, which is posted in misc.health.alternative


Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is an insane stalker, and - because of his
crimes and
his insanity - cannot be a medical doctor and cannot do any kind of
consultancy.

So, beware of his fake offers, like with his "Cygnus Consultant"
company.


23. The case of "Cygnus Consultants", a camouflage of Satan Andrew Ben
Hua Chung
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here is one piece more about Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung:

http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/

<quote>
Cygnus Portfolio

* The Bandy Family
* CARDIOware '97
* C.T.'s 95th Birthday
* Emory Cardiology
* For Birds Only
* Go Red Health Fairs
* Island Paradise
* South Cobb Lions Club
* The Wellness Foundation, Inc.
* Wild at Heart Men's Ministry

Cygnus is a registered First Virtual merchant.
Write Us!
sup...@cygnusconsultants.com

Copyright � 1996-2010
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
</quote>



http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/

is a redirector to

http://www.heartmdphd.com/cygnusmed/


So it is no wonder that the domain is hidden:

<quote>
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

Domain Name: CYGNUSCONSULTANTS.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS13.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS14.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

</quote>


Back in 2005 a Usenet posting (Don Kirkman - 13 Jun 2005 19:56 GMT)
reveiled:

<quote>
>http://www.TheHealthFair.com

Registrant:

Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
*************************************
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com

Domain Name: THEHEALTHFAIR.COM
Created on: 26-Apr-05
Expires on: 26-Apr-06
Last Updated on: 26-Apr-05

Administrative Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
(404) 699-2780 Fax -- (404) 699-2145

Technical Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
(404) 699-2780 Fax -- (404) 699-2145

The Wellness Foundation:

Registrant:

Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com

Domain Name: THEWELLNESSFOUNDATION.COM
Created on: 21-Nov-03
Expires on: 21-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 23-Aug-04

Administrative Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
4046992780 Fax -- 4046992145

Technical Contact:
Chung, Andrew cardio...@heartmdphd.com
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
6041 Colt Ridge Trail
Mableton, Georgia 30126
United States
4046992780 Fax -- 4046992145

Truth sometimes IS simple.
</quote>


"Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.", as it still is.

http://www.heartmdphd.com/cygnusmed/
<quote>

Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
Workshops for a Better Work Environment
(404) 699-8695
email: sup...@cygnusconsultants.com


General Information

Cygnus is a privately-held corporation that provides consultation
services in
the interest of helping others.
Menu of Consultation Services

* Better Health Workshops - We teach your employees how to become
healthier
so that they become more productive with less illness and disability.
Fees for
this on-site workshop start at $300.
* Pan-Flu Preparedness Workshops - We prepare your employees for
what
experts believe to be an inevitable catastrophic event that could
otherwise
destroy your business if your employees are not prepared. Fees for this
on-site
workshop start at $300.
* Cygnus Portfolio - some of our work where we have helped others
set up
their web pages.
* Select - some links.

Write Us!

Copyright � 1996-2010
Cygnus Medical Consultants, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
</quote>

So Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung is offering "better health workshops", but
how!?
Someone, like Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung, who FOR YEARS now gives false
medical
advice, is totally incapable of giving REAL medical advice. He is a
danger to
the public.



The following, I guess, are supporters for him, and are guilty for his
occuring
in public:

http://www.seravia.com/corporation/georgia/tesseract-communications-inc-1lalwwrvgr
<quote>
TESSERACT COMMUNICATIONS, INC.Company Record

TESSERACT COMMUNICATIONS, INC.
Georgia Company Filing #0456078
Basic Data
Entity Type Profit Corporation
Formation Date Sep 15, 2004
Status Active/compliance
Entity Number 0456078
Home Jurisdiction Georgia
Principal Address 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
Registered Agents
E-LEE CHANG 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
People
Name Position Address
E-LEE CHANG Secretary 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA,
30126
E-LEE CHANG CFO 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
E-LEE CHANG CEO 6041 Colt Ridge Trail, Mableton, GA, 30126
Global Company Records
</quote>



Complaints about Satan Andrew Ben Hua CHung you can file with these
police
officers:


Contact Information

Sheriff Neil Warren
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4609
E-mail: neil....@cobbcounty.org


Chief Deputy Sheriff Lynda Coker
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090
Telephone: 770-499-4609
E-mail: lco...@bellsouth.net

Nancy Bodiford
Executive Assistance
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Telephone: (770) 499-4609
Facsimile: (770) 499-4792
E-mail: me...@CobbSheriff.Org

Paula Morris
Assistant
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, Georgia 30060
Telephone: (770) 499-4611
Facsimile: (770) 499-4792
E-mail: Paula....@CobbCounty.Org

Kimberly Norrell
Assistant
Cobb County Sheriff's Office
Public Safety Building, Second Floor
185 Roswell Street
Marietta, GA 30090

Telephone: 770-499-4617
E-mail: Kimberly...@cobbcounty.org

.
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[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke
6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy
8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the
http://WDJW.net/VAT

[Uergil]

In article
<d6f3a7a3-1e69-4f92...@g4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the
programs arenąt the problem.
łThere is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and
particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a  positive outcomes,˛ he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the
school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. łSchool breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If theyąre eating two breakfasts, parents
need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.˛
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.
łWe donąt want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,˛ he said. łA child getting two breakfasts is a much easier
fix.˛
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/04/20/school-breakfast-programs-p
anned-for-feeding-kids-twice/


And, apparently, ABChung would rather have kids hungry all the time and
out of control in classes than breakfasted and good students.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Uergil]

In article
<8f217035-503e-41be...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

[Brian K]

A crackpot physician spat:

> GOD has sent a daughter's ghost to exact vengeance on those who
> falsely accuse her mom and her defenders.
>
> These accusers should get funeral insurance for their families as they
> start witnessing their members cut down one-by-one.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6f2992b2eebc1081?dmode=source

Reprtedly forwarded by several people so far to investigators in the
Markea Berry case such as:

Sheriff Neil Warren, Cobb County Sheriff's Office neil.warren @
cobbcounty.org

And to Jaye Watson, from 11 Alive News, jwatson @ 11alive.com.

"Anyone wanting to ensure this cracked nut doesn't get someone else
killed should do the same."

11 Alive News interview with Andrew B. Chung regarding the case:
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=251415

Headlines regarding Markea Berry case:

"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

"Ebony Berry, Mom who starved teen daughter Markea to death, linked to
'hunger' cure Doc (Video)"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ebony-berry-mom-starved-teen-daughter-markea-death-linked-hunger-cure-doc-video-article-1.1103172

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's ..."
http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/27/update-dr-andrew-chung-admits-he-spoke-with-starved-teens-mom-ebony-berry/

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's mom ..."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TJE0OPIR81HG0GU23

"Being Hungry is Wonderful": Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as
Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-daughter-to-death-as-part-of-a-cult/#

"Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that-obsessed-a-mother-who-starved-her-16-year-old-daughter-to-death/#.T_HazM0pCh0

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[•*´¯`*•.¸ஐ*•.¥.•*ஐ¸.•*´¯`*•]

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote to Dr. Brian Gene Kelley, PhD:

> May GOD ever so severely curse you and all around
> you to the Nth generation
> This prayer is being answered:

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a9494e037c47b328?

From the same thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2130bd18842c13e3
A hoax perpetrated by a clone, more than 6 months ago :-)

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0168fcef73d5713e?

From the same thread:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/01f8276f28a36d55
An obvious Fool's Day joke saying Brian Gene Kelley died, posted on
April 1st :-)

> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b5414d2cf7aa83c5?

Containing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Y3nbNFir8
A video showing a healthy BMI of 21 (160 lbs) and looking younger than
his being 55 at the time :-)

Proof that Andrew's prayers of this nature go unanswered :-)

Dr. Brian Gene Kelley, PhD is alive and very well :-)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/5f88a360d1c8766f

[Uirgil]

In article
<297692d8-9414-4e47...@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier

But not for school children in classes! Then it messes them up along
with everyone else in those classes.

[~ஜ۩۞۩ஜ~]

Happy Oyster <-*-*.@.*-*-> wrote:

>
> > Markea Berry isn't eating anything today because of you.
>
> So it is. she is dead. And Satan Andrew Ben Hua Chung shits on her grave.
By telling everyone how Markea Berry is going murder people's family members
as a ghost <sigh>.

"Dr. Andrew B. Chung wrote in vain:

> May [Andrew's version of] GOD ever so severely curse you and all around

> you to the Nth generation
>

> [Andrew's version of] GOD has sent a daughter's ghost to exact vengeance

> on those who
> falsely accuse her mom and her defenders.
>
> These accusers should get funeral insurance for their families as they
> start witnessing their members cut down one-by-one.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6f2992b2eebc1081

Reported as forwarded by several people to investigators in the Markea Berry

case such as:

Sheriff Neil Warren, Cobb County Sheriff's Office neil.warren @
cobbcounty.org

And to Jaye Watson, from 11 Alive News, jwatson @ 11alive.com.

Cobb County, GA District Attorney
http://www.cobbda.com/

Also for consideration:

FBI - Atlanta
http://www.fbi.gov/atlanta/

Alabama Board of Medical Examiners and Medical Licensure Commission of
Alabama.
http://www.albme.org/complaint.html

Central State Hospital - Georgia's hospital for the mentally ill.
http://www.centralstatehospital.org/

"Anyone wanting to ensure this cracked nut doesn't get someone else killed
should do the same."

11 Alive News interview with Andrew B. Chung regarding the case:
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=251415

Headlines regarding Markea Berry case:

"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Virgil]

In article
<5a476a9e-75f2-45ce...@l12g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> > So don't be an Ayoob:

Far better honest like Ayoob than crooked like Chung!!!
--

[Virgil]

In article
<35b0142c-fef6-4cdd...@e25g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

Far better to be honest like Keith Ayoob than crooked like Chung!!!
--

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Virgil]

In article
<4dc926c7-0041-4368...@o30g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

[Hunger is starvation]

"You can never be blotted out from the Book of Life.
If your name is written in the Book of Life, it's there forever"

From:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h77BDAgzEAs

By: Pastor John MacArthur, an in-depth Bible teacher.
http://www.gty.org/connect/biography

A false-christian crackpot not in the Holy Spirit wrote:
> someone whose name has been blotted(Rev3:5) from His Book

"I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life" (Rev 3:5).

> Indeed, behold ...

Obviously a promise that someone's name will *not* be blotted out once
it's written there (see above).

A false-christian crackpot not in the Holy Spirit wrote:
> someone whose name has been blotted (Deu29:20)

"the Lord will blot out their names from under heaven" (Deu29:20)

Again, a promise that someone's name will *not* be blotted out once
it's
written there (see above).

A false-christian crackpot not in the Holy Spirit wrote:
> someone whose name has been blotted (Mt25:41)

No mention of being blotted from the Book of Life in that verse.

> someone whose name has been blotted (Ps69:28)

"Let them be blotted out of the book of the living" (Ps 69:28)

The Old Covenant book of the living in Ps 69:28, is not the New
Covenant Book of Life in Rev 3:5.

His other reference for this is Rev 20:15, which is about names that
were never written in the Book Of Life to begin with.

And Deu 32:33, which has nothing to do with the Book of Life
whatsoever.

For someone who claims Holy Spirit discernment, the false-christian
crackpot sure changes gears a lot.
His changing gears is based on poorly conducted Google searches and
clearly taking Bible verses out of context.
If he attended regular Bible studies, he might have a better
understanding, but he keeps getting himself evicted from Christian
fellowships (see below).

Why does the false-christian crackpot persist staying on this course
of folly? The same reason why he’s stayed on every course of folly
he’s ever been on. Because of his lack of discernment, being out of
touch with reality and his pride.

Which is the same reason why he gets evicted from Christian
fellowships:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/696af5851a414ee3

Which is the same reason why he got fired:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c76e3e39ae96abb4

Which is the same reason why he got arrested:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43c54ad99711bfc3

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Virgil]

In article
<9abfa8d4-7636-42ec...@c14g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

Hungry children in classes don't learn, nor allow others in those
classes to do so.

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Stop hunger now]

pl...@you.com wrote:

>
> Look at Chung, he encouraged a mother to murder her child and now
> gloats over the murder.
>
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disci...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
> This gentile [false] Christian [self proclaimed] disciple enjoyed 32 oz of a delicious variety
> of foods yesterday

Meanwhile Markea Blakely-Berry is dead at the age of 16, according to
media reports her death is; "linked to '“Hunger Cult” Doc" "Dr. Andrew
Chung" who "is friends with Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/89b9c70569d587b1

> "I'm starving! I think I'm gonna die!"

Were those Markea's final words before she died a horrable death from
hunger?

Furthermore, Dr. Andrew B. Chung made the following outrageous and
outlandish statement:

> Markea's ghost will shut that accursed soul up along
> with shutting up all the other accursed souls as she destroys their
> families one by one per command. Vengeance is Mine. I shall
> avenge.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0fbc3a51527114d2

Markea Blakely-Berry's death seems to be big joke to the crackpot

--

"DR ANDREW CHUNG AND EBONY BERRY ACCUSED OF STARVING DAUGHTER"
http://lapanchinadimariella.forumfree.it/?t=62125479

"Ebony Berry, Mom who starved teen daughter Markea to death, linked to
'hunger' cure Doc (Video)"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ebony-berry-mom-starved-teen-daughter-markea-death-linked-hunger-cure-doc-video-article-1.1103172

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's ..."
http://www.atoast2wealth.com/2012/06/27/update-dr-andrew-chung-admits-he-spoke-with-starved-teens-mom-ebony-berry/

"Update: Dr. Andrew Chung admits he spoke with starved teen's mom ..."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TJE0OPIR81HG0GU23

"Being Hungry is Wonderful": Mother Who Allegedly Starved Daughter as

Part of a “Hunger Cult”
http://www.yourblackworld.net/2012/06/black-news/woman-starves-her-daughter-to-death-as-part-of-a-cult/#

"Dr Andrew Chung advocates 'wonderfully hungry' and is friends with
Ebony Berry, accused of starving daughter"
http://entertainment.topnewstoday.org/music/article/2644930/

"The doctor behind the ‘hunger cult’ that obsessed a mother who
‘starved her 16-year-old daughter to death"
http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-doctor-behind-the-hunger-cult-that-obsessed-a-mother-who-starved-her-16-year-old-daughter-to-death/#.T_HazM0pCh0

--
Hunger is starvation.

"Starvation: The term hunger refers to the symptoms and effects of
starvation. According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the
single gravest threat to the world"

"Starve | Define Starve at Dictionary.com
to cause to starve; kill, weaken, or reduce by lack of food by
hunger":
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/starve

"The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics":
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

"Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger":
http://www.bread.org/hunger/global/

"Hunger and Children in America: A Slow and Steady Starvation":
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/US/hunger-children-america-slow-steady-starvation/story?id=14328390#.UDuKMfVvF48

"Hunger Starvation":
http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/issues/global/qualityoflife/hunger/index.shtml

"Stop Hunger Now":
http://www.stophungernow.org/site/PageServer

[Virgil]

In article
<1ac423b0-4643-40cf...@a15g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob:

>
> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

So don't be an Ayoob or you will most certainly die a horrible (Mark
9:42) death:

[Hunger is fatal]

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Virgil]

In article
<a89f89c7-d668-47fd...@y6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob

Real Christians are like Ayoob, trying to improve the world.

It is only phonies, like Chung, who oppose the good that Keith Ayoob is
trying to do.
--

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Virgil]

In article
<71f62b3e-c561-495b...@k6g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob

>

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

Hungry children in classes don't learn, nor allow others in those
classes to do so.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the

programs aren�t the problem.
�There is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and

particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a �positive outcomes,� he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the

school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. �School breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If they�re eating two breakfasts, parents

need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.�
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.

�We don�t want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,� he said. �A child getting two breakfasts is a much easier

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]

[Virgil]

In article
<d8a0ace9-0b61-41d8...@r3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <disc...@T3WiJ.com> wrote:

> So don't be an Ayoob

>

> https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c87c24ea7a7ee20?
>
> Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
> diabetics and other heart disease patients:

But not for school children when going to classes.

Hungry children in classes don't learn, nor allow others in those
classes to do so.

So BE an Ayoob, and like him, support giving all children an adequate
breakfast before school.

"But Keith Ayoob, director of the Rose R. Kennedy Center Nutrition
Clinic at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, said the

programs arenąt the problem.
łThere is a mountain of research that shows school breakfasts, and

particularly breakfast in the classroom, have a  positive outcomes,˛ he
said, describing a drop in truancy, behavior problems and visits to the

school nurse as well as an improvement in grades. łSchool breakfasts are
not making kids overweight. If theyąre eating two breakfasts, parents

need to know that and adjust accordingly at home.˛
Speaking to the New York Academy of Medicine Thursday, Ayoob defended
breakfast programs and stressed the importance of parents keeping track
of what their kids are eating.

łWe donąt want some kids going hungry just because some kids are
overeating,˛ he said. łA child getting two breakfasts is a much easier

[Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD]