Grab Yer Socks N Hose N Pull: Spiderman Is Ken Rahn!
Phil Ossofee
Professor Ken Rahn, who dons a spiderman outfit to sabotage our Chico.
Gil Jesus
> That's right who else could it be but the distinguished retired
> Professor Ken Rahn, who dons a spiderman outfit to sabotage our Chico.
It's obviously a TROLL, whoever it is.
justm...@gmail.com
Last call at the bar already Phil??? Ken Rahn?? ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
This is just too damn funny..
Oh, Chico? You're wrong again, no troll, but he sure did prove what a
liar you are!
Gil Jesus
>
> It's obviously a TROLL, whoever it is.
This troll's "interest" in the case was only cannon fodder to lure me
into his web of deceit. Hence the "spiderman" mask.
Unfortunately, I didn't see it coming and I'm mad at myself because I
should have.
Anyone who claims to have "seen evidence" of racist remarks made by me
is a LIAR.
Plain and simple. I'm not going to defend myself against accusations
made by trolls without any foundation of fact.
I'm not going to explain or defend the posts of others, whether Robcap
or whoever. I'll be more than happy to explain any "GIL JESUS" posts.
Also, I'm not going to respond to postings that don't address evidence
and testimony. The trolls would like to get me into an insult debate
about ME, but this is about JFK and the conspiracy that led to his
death.
As for Spidey, as with all trolls, he's on killfilter. I don't care
what questions he has about ME. First of all, It's irrelevent to the
discussion of JFK. Secondly, I don't owe him or anybody else an
explanation about my religious beliefs or what have you.
The fact that he seeks to get into a debate that is off-topic is
evidence that he too is a troll.
So this Bud's for you, Spidey: G.F.Y.
YoHarvey
Typical Jesus/Robcap. SPECULATION, CONJECTURE. Just like his
pathetic life lol.
justm...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh man, here we go again. Didn't we get this same speech from Chico a
few months ago? His New Years Resolution. Within hours he was using
his filthy mouth and right back to the lying and insults. I guess he
just wants to prove to us once again what a liar he is ....let's start
the stop watch now....tick tock tick tock.
cdddraftsman
> (((((((((((( Snipped ))))))))))))
Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 31 of 178........! It
Was Johnson .......!
Gilstapo , head of the Nazi Thought Police and Con-Spiracy Goon
Squad :
" Jack Ruby explains that if Adlai Stevenson had been Vice-President,
Kennedy never would have been killed and and says that LBJ was
involved "
off................................
Gilstapo never over came these difficultys , AAMOF he never even
addrress's them :
BY 1963 LYNDON JOHNSON HAD GROWN WEARY of the obscurity of his office
and was concerned that the scandals surrounding his cronies Bobby
Baker and Billie Sol Estes would ruin his hopes for the presidency.
When rumors circulated that JFK was going to drop him from the 1964
ticket, LBJ worked to stage an elaborate coup on home turf, enlisting
loyal Texas oilmen who feared losing the oil depletion allowance and
warmongers who wanted to step up involvement in Vietnam. One of their
foot soldiers was an angry young man named Lee Harvey Oswald.
Believers
Authors David Lifton (The Texas Connection) and Harrison Edward
Livingstone (Killing Kennedy).
Strange Details
John Connally, LBJ's longtime friend and colleague, roomed in college
with Dallas County district attorney Henry Wade, whose November 24,
1963, press conference made the definitive case against Oswald.
Eugene Locke, the deputy ambassador to Vietnam under LBJ, once served
as the attorney for Marie Tippit, the wife of Dallas police officer
J.
D. Tippit, whom Oswald shot soon after the assassination.
Reasons to Believe
Two days after the assassination, deputy attorney general Nicholas
Katzenbach pushed for the creation of a federal investigatory
commission, partly out of concern that the public might suspect
Johnson's involvement: Historically, assassinations of heads of state
have been carried out by their successors.
Soon after becoming president, Johnson, a hawk, pressed the House and
Senate for passage of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, initiating a
period of increased involvement in Vietnam.
Johnson sealed certain assassination records until 2039, ordered that
Kennedy's limousine be refurbished rather than entered into evidence,
and handpicked each member of the Warren Commission, which answered
ultimately to him.
Reasons Not to Believe
LBJ was fiercely ambitious but not depraved; to believe that he would
order Kennedy's murder requires an extraordinary leap of logic.
Despite years of speculation -- beginning, most memorably, with
Barbara Garson's popular 1967 play, MacBird!, and amplified in Oliver
Stone's JFK -- there is not one shred of evidence to support the idea
that LBJ had a hand in the assassination.
Recent Developments
The newly released LBJ tapes show that Johnson was by no means the
puppet of warmongers; he clearly agonized over Vietnam and sought
resolution to the conflict. They also reveal a man of more depth, and
of greater conscience, than his detractors have ever given him credit
for -- hardly the portrait of a Judas waiting in the wings.
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 30 of 178........!
JR Intentionally Kills LHO .......!
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Gil wrote :
" Ruby shot low so he wouldn't hit any of his cop pals. Ruby's shot
severed the Inferior Vena Cava AND the abdominal section of the
Aorta.
To that point no one had ever survived a gunshot wound
when BOTH of those arteries were severed. Understandably, Oswald
never
regained consciousness.
Rossley then says of Gil :
" Even a "stupid man" Beats the shit outta the ABOMINATION with
evidence/testimony "
So "Understandably" who's more stupid , Rossley or Gil who thinks
that
Jack Ruby was such a good shot (*) that he could sever both the main
arteries with a single shot as Det. Levelle who had hold of LHO
waistband tried pulling him out of harms way ?
Another Conspiracy Apologist 'Magic Bullet' ?
(*) Could it be that perhaps Gil thinks Ruby shot 'Expert' in the
Mafia Corp. ?
Anyone who says different is full of baked beans :
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=4hk7p5y
Jack Ruby Never Intended To Kill Lee Harvey Oswald ........!
This unusual striking of all these main veins , caused by Det.
Levelle's trying to pull LHO out of harms way at the last moment ,
lends credence to Jack Ruby's statement to his brother Earl that
he never intended to kill LHO , that's why he shot him in the
stomach ( One of the most painful spots to be shot in , but also
the most survivable if treated within hours to as much as a day or
two afterwards )
If you remember back to your history of gunshot wounds it might be
good to review the following as a example :
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6xlnodd&s=1
Baby Face Nelson ( Lester Gills ) in his final gun battle with the
FBI Agents . He killed both FBI Agents . Wounded he got back
into his car and made an escape , only to die several hours later
and was dumped by his wife and cohort in front of a mortuary .
At autopsy it was found that he was shot 17 times , a couple of
those gunshot wounds can be plainly seen in his stomach area .
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 29 of 178........!
The Zapruder Film .......!
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Gil Implys that the shot came frome the front : The Zapruder Film
But even the posters who were allowed to express their opinion could
see
through his transparent rubbish with no problem :
jbdashiell :
In the close-up version, you clearly see JFK's head snap forward when
the bullet hits. He was wearing a back brace and corset which kept
him from falling forward. You can see his head snap violently forward
and
then recoil backwards as if bouncing off of something. It was the
back brace and corset that caused the rear head movement.
mofokitten :
i think it´s pretty clear that the shot came from kennedy´s left from
behind, sort of in an angle... you see the direction of the blood-
mist and the huge exit wound coming out of his right temple, highly
suggesting the shot entered the other side of the head...
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 28 of 178.........!
Dr. Cyril Wacht .......!
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/browse_thread/threa...
Gilstapo Head of NaziThought Police On :
" Dr. Cyril Wecht slams the Single Bullet Theory"
Off .......................................................................
And Allegheny County Slams Wecht !
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2006 indictment for fraud
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AND
Out of the four official examinations into the Kennedy Assassination,
Dr. Wecht is the only forensic pathologist who has disagreed with the
conclusion that both the single bullet theory and Kennedy's head
wounds are tangible.
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 27 of 178.........!
Dr. Charles Crankshaft .......!
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Gilstapo Head of NaziThought Police On :
"In a phone interview with James Earl Jones, Dr. Crenshaw describes
the condition of President Kennedy's wounds BEFORE the traceostomy
was
done."
Off .............................................................
Dr. Crenshaw merely added to the long list of witnesses whose tall
tales litter the assassination landscape........!
As proven absolutely below : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/crenshaw.htm
The Long Suppressed Truth?
Or a Bunch of Lies?
--------------------------------------------
Dr. Charles Crenshaw's book Conspiracy of Silence caused a minor
sensation when it was released in 1992, even attracting the attention
of the New York Times. Coauthored by Jens Hansen and Gary Shaw, it
told several conspiratorial stories about the assassination, and
especially about the role of Dr. Crenshaw, then a resident physician
at Parkland Hospital, in the care of John Kennedy and Lee Harvey
Oswald.
It has since been reprinted as Trauma Room One.
Among the "interesting" things that Crenshaw claims are:
The back of Kennedy's head was blown out, clearly implying a shot
from
the Grassy Knoll in front of Kennedy.
A small wound in Kennedy's throat was an entrance wound, proving a
shot from the front, and not from the Sniper's Nest behind Kennedy.
Parkland doctors, knowing there was a conspiracy, have feared to
speak out. The President's body was altered between Parkland Hospital
and the autopsy at Bethesda. And the most sensational: Lyndon Johnson
called the operating room were Oswald was being treated and demanded
a confession be extracted from the accused assassin.
Conspiracy authors, wanting to push the idea of a shot from the
Grassy Knoll, have lapped up Crenshaw's account. For example, Gary
Aguilar
quotes Crenshaw as follows: He, with co-authors, Jens Hansen and Gary
Shaw,
recently published a book, "Conspiracy of Silence" (Crenshaw, CA,
Hansen,
J, Shaw, G. "Conspiracy of Silence". 1992, New York, Signet).
Crenshaw
has
claimed
both in his book and in public interviews that the President's head
wound was posterior on the right side. In "Conspiracy of Silence" he
wrote, "I walked to the President's head to get a closer look. His
entire right cerebral hemisphere appeared to be gone. It looked like
a
crater--an empty cavity. "
Conspiracy writer Gary Aguilar accepts Crenshaw's account. His essay
on supposed "back of the head" witnesses is useful and interesting --
although many of his assessments of the testimony are to be treated
skeptically.
How does Crenshaw know such things? According to the book, he had a
central role in treating Kennedy. Yet when the New York Times called
up Crenshaw in reponse to his book, he backed away from the book's
claims as to how central he was, saying that Hansen and Shaw "took
poetic license" on this issue. Crenshaw "admitted . . .that the role
he played in Kennedy's case was minor." See the Times of May 26,
1992.
It hardly inspires confidence in the book when Crenshaw says things
like this.
Aguilar then quotes the following passage, where Crenshaw further
described the wound:
All I could see there was mangled, bloody tissue. From the damage I
saw, there was no doubt in my mind that the bullet had entered his
head through the front, and as it surgically passed through his
cranium, the missile obliterated part of the temporal and all the
parietal and occipital lobes before it lacerated the cerebellum.
(Emphasis added, p. 86).
In the first place, as Hank Sienzant has pointed out, Crenshaw cites
several descriptions of the head wound in his book, and they are far
from being "back of the head" descriptions:
Pg 2: "The entire right hemisphere of President Kennedy's brain was
obliterated. . . . "
Pg 78: "Then I noticed that the entire right hemisphere of his brain
was missing, beginning at his hairline and extending all the way
behind his right ear."
Pg 86: "His entire right cerebral hemisphere appeared to be gone. It
looked like a crater, an empty cavity."
Pg 87: (Quoting Kemp Clark): "My God, the whole right side of his
head
is shot off... We've got nothing to work with."
Pg 89: "... there is still nothing that can save a victim who loses
the entire right side of his brain."
In some passages (see p. 132), Crenshaw says that the damage extended
around to the back. But his description is mostly "side."
Even more striking is Crenshaw's claim that there was "no doubt in
his mind" about the trajectory being front-to-back. Compare this to
other, more senior doctors, in the ER.
In another part of the essay, Aguilar quotes Ronald Jones:
Specter asked Jones to speculate from his observations the nature of
JFK's wounding. He asked, "Dr. Jones, did you have any speculative
thought as to accounting for the point of wounds (sic) which you
observed on the President, as you thought about it when you were
treating the President that day, or shortly thereafter?" Jones
answered, "With no history as to the number of times that the
President had been shot or knowing the direction from which he had
been shot, and seeing the wound in the midline of the neck, and what
appeared to be an exit wound in the posterior portion of the skull,
the only speculation that I could have as far as to how this could
occur with a single wound would be that it would enter the anterior
neck and possibly strike a vertebral body and then change its course
and exit in the region of the posterior portion of the head." (WC.V.
6:56)
And then there was Paul Peters:
Peters told author Lifton on 11-12-66, "I was trying to think how he
could have had a hole in his neck and a hole in the occiput, and the
only answer we could think (of) was perhaps the bullet had gone in
through the front, hit the bony spinal column, and exited through the
back of the head, since a wound of exit is always bigger than a wound
of entry." (Lifton D. Best Evidence. p317. Peters repeated this
speculation in a speech on the subject on 4/2/92, in a talk entitled,
"Who Killed JFK?", given at the 14th annual meeting of the Wilk-
Amite Medical Society, at Centreville Academy, Centreville,
Mississippi,
according to a transcript furnished by Claude B. Slaton, of Zachary,
Louisiana.)
So while doctors like Jones and Peters were engaging in rather wild
speculation as to the trajectory Crenshaw, a very junior bit player,
had "no doubt."
In fact, nobody at Parkland could offer more than a wild guess about
the trajectory, since nobody did (or had any need to do) the sort of
forensic examination that would have allowed determining trajectory.
Crenshaw's assurance here is necessarily bogus, and detracts from his
credibility.
Conspiracy of Silence?
Then there is Crenshaw's "Conspiracy of Silence" thesis. For
Crenshaw:
Every doctor who was in Trauma Room 1 had his own reasons for not
publicly refuting the 'official line' . . . . I believe there was a
common denominator in our silence -- a fearful perception that to
come
forward with what we believed to be the medical truth would be asking
for trouble. . . . Whatever was happening was larger than any of us.
I
reasoned that anyone who would go so far as to eliminate the
President
of the United States would surely not hesitate to kill a doctor. (pp.
153-154.)
This is almost breathtaking in its absurdity. Crenshaw published a
book in 1992 claiming he was breaking a "conspiracy of silence." Yet
the other Parkland doctors had been talking their heads off for
nearly
30 years by this time. Many have talked to conspiracy authors like
Groden, Lifton and Livingstone. Their statements can be seen in books
like Six Seconds in Dallas, High Treason, High Treason II, and Best
Evidence. They can be seen in videos such as The Men Who Killed
Kennedy, Bob Groden's The Case for Conspiracy, and NOVA's Who Shot
JFK? Most have given statements that -- if they have been quoted
accurately -- imply a conspiracy. The conspiracy writers (including
Gary Aguilar) know this, because the have been quoting these doctors
extensively!
If the thesis of the book is bogus, the details aren't any better.
In the first place, the book is littered with silly conspiracy book
factoids. To give just a very few examples:
The Julia Ann Mercer story (p. 55).
The claim that seventy-five percent of the witnesses in Dealey Plaza
who identified the source of the shots said they came from the Grassy
Knoll (p. 66).
Crenshaw accepts Seth Kantor's testimony that Ruby was at Parkland
Hospital about 1:30 (p. 108). This is perfectly reasonable, but then
Crenshaw reports that Jack Ruby was in the Texas Theater at the time
of the Oswald arrest! (p. 117) Although this doesn't exactly put Ruby
in two places at one time, it implies an absurd mad dash by Ruby from
the Dallas Morning News to Parkland Hospital to the Texas Theater and
back to the Carousel club (where he returned about 2:00 pm.) in well
under an hour.
Crenshaw recounts how Dallas cops and Federal agents descended on the
Texas Theater "all to capture a man suspected of entering the theater
without paying" (p. 115).
Jack Ruby's correcting DA Wade about Oswald's role in the "Fair Play
for Cuba" committee indicated he was "a person very familiar with
Cuban politics" (p. 145).
The bogus Bobby Kennedy "only the powers of the presidency" quote (p.
138).
All these silly conspiracy factoids could be blamed on Crenshaw's
conspiracy-oriented coauthors Shaw and Hansen. But Crenshaw's own
supposed account (it's set in a sans-serif typeface) is full of
Crenshaw's claims to have seen things that he could not in fact have
seen.
As Roger Bynum has pointed out, Crenshaw provides the following
tidbit
about his actions on the morning of the assassination:
Having visited all my patients, I went to the dining room on the
first floor, and was eating two hardboiled eggs, toast, and coffee
while
reading the newspaper. The Dallas Morning News was full of
information and stories about President Kennedy and the First
Lady. . . .
With sickening clarity, I recall a full-page editorial purchased by
an extremist group that viciously attacked the integrity of President
Kennedy by claiming he was a Communist. The President was posed in a
frontal and side mug shot atop the message, "This man is wanted for
treasonous activities against the United States." The article further
claimed President Kennedy was " . . . turning the sovereignty of the
U.S. over to the communist controlled United Nations." p. 33
But Crenshaw could have seen no such editorial, since none existed!
The ad attacking Kennedy in the Dallas Morning News was quite
different from Crenshaw's description. It was headlined
(sarcastically) "Welcome Mr. Kennedy." Crenshaw provides an accurate
description of a handbill that was distributed in the Dallas area.
Here is the handbill.
Here is the advertisement.
Is this issue -- handbill versus advertisement -- one that could be
easily confused? Yes, if you are getting your information from
reading
books on the assassination. But Crenshaw claims that he remembers
"with sickening clarity" an ad in the Dallas Morning News which never
appeared!
This raises the issue of other things he claims to remember
"clearly."
For example, Crenshaw claims he literally ran to the Emergency Room
with Dr. McClelland, and that he and McClelland approached Dr. Perry
(who was already treating Kennedy) together. See pages 73-78. He
describes the head wound, and then recounts:
I also identified a small opening about the diameter of a pencil at
the midline of his throat to be an entry bullet hole. There was no
doubt in my mind about that wound. I had seen dozens of them in the
emergency room. At that point, I knew that he had been shot at least
twice. (p. 79)
Unfortunately for Crenshaw, McClelland told the Warren Commission
that
the tracheostomy was already begun and the throat wound obliterated
when he arrived. The following is from 6H32:
Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe, if anything, as to the status of
the neck wound when you first arrived?
Dr. McCLELLAND. The neck wound, when I first arrived, was at this
time
converted into a tracheotomy incision. The skin incision had been
made
by Dr. Perry, and he told me--although I did not see that--that he
had
made the incision through a very small, perhaps less than one quarter
inch in diameter wound in the neck.
Perry confirmed McClelland's account when he told the Warren
Commission that, at the time he began the tracheostomy, McClelland
was not present and he (Perry) instructed that he be called (3H369).
He
also said that McClelland arrived "shortly after" he had entered the
neck (3H370). And further that Perry and Carrico were the only people
who saw the unaltered wound (3H377).
So either Crenshaw's claim to have entered the ER with McClelland is
untrue, or his claim to have seen the unaltered neck wound is untrue.
Since McClelland confirms that he entered the Emergency Room with
Crenshaw (6H31), it seems that Cranshaw gave a vivid description of a
throat wound he never saw.
Crenshaw the Liftonite
Instead of going on and on about silly conspiracy-book factoids that
Crenshaw repeats, it might be good to focus on one particular class
of
factoids that Crenshaw repeats. Those of David Lifton.
1. Crenshaw recounts how J. Gary Shaw showed him photos from the JFK
autopsy. He says: "I was amazed. . . . One picture showed President
Kennedy's neck at the point where the bullet had entered, the spot
where Dr. Malcolm Perry had performed a tracheostomy at Parkland to
help the President breathe. The opening was larger and jagged --
significantly different from the way it looked to me in Dallas. There
was no doubt in my mind -- someone had tampered with the body, or the
photographs." (p. 10-11)
He continues: "After studying the pictures for several more moments,
I said, "No, these aren't the wounds I saw at Parkland. From these
pictures it appears that someone performed some surgery on the
President between the time his body left Parkland Hospital and when
these photographs were taken." (p. 11).
He returns to this theme on page 111, when he again discusses looking
at the autopsy photos, at which point he " . . . realized there was
something rotten in America in 1963. . . . Great effort had been made
to reconstruct the back of the President's head, and the incision
Perry had made in his throat at Parkland had been enlarged and
mangled, as if someone had conducted another procedure. It looked to
be the work of a butcher."
2. Crenshaw says the body left Parkland in "a bronze casket . . .
wrapped in white cloth" but arrived at Bethesda in "a gray shipping
casket, not swaddled in white cloth, but instead zipped in a body bag
like the ones from Vietnam" (pp. 11-12). He repeats this story on
page
111.
3. Crenshaw tells about a medical student who saw a bullet hole in
the
windshield (p. 105).
4. He says that " . . . there were two eyewitnesses present at the
autopsy, James Jenkins and Paul O'Connor, who swear that President
Kennedy arrived at the Naval medical facility zipped in a gray body
bag . . . . And even more astounding, these men, who have gone
through
numerous tests and substantial harrassment to be proved credible,
claim there was no brain when the body came out of the gray bag. As
the last doctor to see President Kennedy before the body left
Parkland, I can unequivocally report that there was no gray body bag,
and that he still had the left side of his brain." pp. 111-112.
All these are part of author David Lifton's "body alteration"
hypothesis. Lifton, in Best Evidence, claims that Kennedy's body was
stolen between Parkland Hospital and the autopsy at Bethesda and his
wounds surgically altered to conceal shots from the front. If this
sounds absurd it's because it is absurd, and few if any among even
conspiracy authors believe it -- except for Crenshaw.
The Supposed Call from LBJ
The most explosive claim made by Crenshaw is that Lyndon Johnson
called the ER during the attempt to save Oswald's life, and demanded
that a confession be extracted from Oswald. Supposedly, the
confession would be taken by an "Oliver Hardy" figure who was
standing
by in the ER. Aside from being absurd on its face, Crenshaw has
credibility
problems on several fronts with this claim:
1. The White House phone logs do not show any call from LBJ to
Parkland Hospital that day. See: Case Closed, paperback, p. 396.
2. Lyndon Johnson would not have been able to make a phone call at
the
time Crenshaw describes. The operation on Oswald began at 11:44
Central Time. At 11:55 Central Time, Manchester (The Death of a
President) notes that the Kennedys and the Johnsons met in the East
Room of the White House and then proceeded to the ceremonies moving
Kennedy's body from the White House to the Capitol. But Crenshaw
explicitly said the phone call came a little under an hour into the
operation (p. 188). As Gary Mack explains:
It has always been known that there was a call from Washington, but
apparently not from LBJ as Crenshaw's book claims. My own research,
conducted at the request of KXAS-TV, the NBC affiliate in Dallas,
found that LBJ was in his limo at the very moment Crenshaw's book
indicates the call came in. There is no record of any such
radiotelephone call which, according to the procedures in place,
would
have to have been routed to Dallas through the White House
switchboard
where all calls were logged. Nor is there an account from any of the
people in the car that LBJ said "Excuse me, I have to call the
hospital." And there would certainly be no need to keep such an
event,
if it happened, secret. (Post on newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk on
10/9/98.)
3. Crenshaw claims (p. 188) that he told Shires about the call in the
ER immediately after it was made. But neither Shires nor any of the
other doctors there have ever mentioned such a statement.
Crenshaw supporters claim corroboration of Crenshaw's tale from a
Doctor Phillip Williams. According to the New York Times of May 26,
1992, Williams said that he remembered reports of two White House
telephone calls to the operating room.
Quoting Williams: "I vividly remember someone said, and I can't say
who it was, the White House is calling and President Johnson wants to
know what the status of Oswald is."
It's interesting that Crenshaw supporters claim "corroboration" when
this account flatly contradicts Crenshaw's! It does not confirm LBJ
personally calling, and is not about getting a confession. According
to the Times: " . . . Dr. Williams said he had never heard that
Johnson wanted to get a confession. He also said he did not know
whether it was Johnson or an aide who spoke on the phone." It seems
unlikely that anything as memorable as a demand for a confession
would
be forgotten -- if it actually happened.
Crenshaw supporters have cited one Phyllis Bartlett, telephone
operator at Parkland, who claims that a man who identified himself as
Lyndon Johnson called Parkland during the time Oswald was in surgery,
and she patched him through to the operating room. Given Johnson's
whereabouts, this is vastly implausible. And there is another problem
with her story. As Gary Mack explains:
Parkland asked its personnel to write reports of their activities
that
weekend, and they are here in our collection [at the Sixth Floor
Museum] and in the documents we duplicated for the ARRB. Neither
Crenshaw, Bartlett or anyone else mentioned that there was either a
call from LBJ or a call from Washington. They did mention getting
more
than a few crank calls, though. (Newsgroup post on
alt.assassination.jfk, 10/15/98)
As wild as Crenshaw's most recent story is, it appears to have been
toned down compared to the original. Harrison Livingstone, for
example, has claimed that the first version of Crenshaw's manuscript
had Johnson calling and demanding, not that Oswald be gotten to
confess, but that Oswald be killed. The Kennedy Assassination Home
Page has been unable to confirm the existence of that manuscript, but
the early version of the story was as Livingstone describes.
One of the researchers who was privy to this early version was Gus
Russo, author of Live By The Sword. As Russo describes it:
When Oliver Stone was in Dallas prepping for JFK, a number of us were
around as "technical advisors," which was a bit of a joke, since
Stone
only listened to people with crazy conspiracy info.
One night at the Stoneleigh [Hotel], Stone was having a slew of top
secret meetings in his suite with people like Ricky White, whom Stone
paid $80,000 for his fraudulent story, and the positively goofy
Beverly Oliver. That night, Stone ushered Gary Shaw, [Robert] Groden
and Crenshaw into his room; I was not invited, but I pressed Shaw
(Crenshaw's and Oliver's advisor) for info in the lobby. He was the
first to tell me that LBJ ordered Oswald killed. Later, Crenshaw came
down, and we happened to be in the Stoneleigh men's room at the same
time, standing at adjacent urinals. It was there that he told me that
Johnson had ordered the Parkland staff to "kill the son-of-a-bitch."
It was decided to "drown Oswald in his own blood," i.e. transfuse him
until his lungs collapsed. (E-mail to the author dated August 25,
2003)
Thus is appears that Crenshaw's absurdly incredible early version was
tempered in an attempt to make it more credible. With many devout
conspiracy believers, the tactic succeeded. For others, Crenshaw
merely added to the long list of witnesses whose tall tales litter
the
assassination landscape.
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 26 of 178.........!
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The Throat Wound .......!
The Throat Wound
Gilstapo head of Nazi Thought Police :
On ......................................................
Parkland Hospital Nurse Audrey Bell describes JFK's throat wound.
Off.......................................................
The Throat Wound :
If moving the back wound down is a way of attacking the Single Bullet
Theory, moving the throat wound up is also. If the throat wound
couldn't have been the exit for a bullet that entered the back, then
it was probably an entrance would from a frontal shot, which implies
a shooter in front of the limo which implies conspiracy. A drawing
from Groden and Livingstone's High Treason shows a typical conspiracy
interpretation of the wounds.
Thus conspiracy books describe the Dallas doctors as being absolutely
sure that the wound in Kennedy's throat was an entrance wound. What
they usually omit is the fact that the doctors who actually saw the
wound speculated that it was an exit wound from a fragment from the
head shot. They also imply that ER personnel can easily tell whether
a wound is an entrance wound or an exit would. This essay consists of
two parts. The first documents the speculations of the Dallas doctors
about the wound, and the second is a passage from the JAMA describing
a careful study of the ability of ER personnel to make judgments
about the forensic aspects of wounds :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound4.txt
Conspiracy authors have consistently claimed that the slits in the
collar of Kennedy's shirt could not have been made by an exiting
bullet. Here is a photograph of the shirt, showing the slits. Decide
for yourself whether they could have been made by an exiting bullet :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/collar.jpg
One piece of evidence the conspiracy authors use for a "high"
location for the throat wound is the testimony of Dr. Charles
Carrico. Before the Warren Commission, he supposedly said that
the wound was "above the tie." In fact, his testimony isn't quite
as the conspiracy authors represent it. This is his testimony,
including the context. Another thing to remember here is that in
his "Admission Note," written on November 22, 1963, Carrico
said the wound was in the "lower 1/3" of the neck .
On this matter, as on the location of the back wound, the
photographic evidence is decisive. The Left Profile shows the level
of the wound quite clearly. Is it really possible, as the conspiracy
authors claim, for a bullet exiting at the level of the tracheostomy
to have failed to penetrate Kennedy's shirt? Note that this photo has
been rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise, to emphasize the location
of the throat wound : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/left.jpg
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 25 of 178......! The
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Paraffin Test ..........!
The Paraffin Test
Gilstapo head of Nazi Thought Police :
On ......................................................
" Mark Lane looks at the Paraffin test given Oswald. Authorities
avoid
mentioning that the cheek test proved negative, indicating that
Oswald
had not fired a rifle that day "
Off ......................................................
Just have to say a couple of things about the paraffin cast .
Previous to LHO being given this test , the FBI had warned Law
Enforcement agency's to stop using it because of it's unreliability .
DPD used it in cases were they were sure of a persons guilt through
other
evidence and used it a tool to force a confession . Undoubtedly why
it got buried so deeply in the WCR and Gilstapo fails again in his
non-
research effort which is akin to the bullshit that streams from his
lying
filthy mouth
In case McAdam's Don't post this one :
The FBI :
Further Observations on the Diphenylamine Test for Gunpowder
Residue :
In the October, 1935, issue of the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin there
appeared the results of experiments using the diphenylamine test for
the purpose of detecting nitrates from the hands of persons who had
preciously fired a revolver or automatic pistol and also of persons
not having fired a weapon of any kind. The analysis is based upon the
theory that the nitrates contained in gunpowder form oxides of
nitrogen at the
time of the explosion which become embedded in the skin, particularly
in those areas of the hands which have been exposed to the escape of
gases from the weapon at the time of the discharge. It is also
believed that the nitrates unite with the salts in the perspiration
to form salts which readily react with the reagents involved in the
tests.
In that article the following tests were described as being
illustrative of the usual results obtained with the diphenylamine
reaction. Tests were conducted on both the firing and idle hands of
seventeen men following a course of five shots with .38 caliber
revolvers using smokeless powder. Six of these individuals, all
firing
with the right hand, showed negative results when the test was
applied to the right and left hands. One man who fired with his left
hand showed negative results on both hands. Three of the persons who
fired with the right hand showed negative results on a
test of the right hands, but a positive test on the left hands which
were not used for firing. One
man who showed a negative result on the right hand when firing with
that hand, gave a doubtful result on the left hand. Two men firing
with their right hands showed positive results on the
right hand and negative results on the left hand. Four men showed
positive results on both hands when firing with the right hand only.
In addition to the above experiments there were also published in
that
issue the results of experiments conducted in the Bureau's Technical
Laboratory directed toward the effect of tobacco residue on the hands
of smokers. As a result of these tests it was found that persons
smoking
any considerable amount gave positive reactions to the diphenylamine
test
applied to casts of the fingers and palms. These results are
expected,
of
course, in view of the presence of nitrates in the
products of tobacco prepared for smoking purposes .
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 24 of 178......!
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Eyewitness says .......!
Eyewitness says same bullet did NOT hit both men
Gilstapo head of Nazi Thought Police :
On ......................................................
" S.M.Holland saw the shooting from atop the triple underpass and
says
that JFK and Governor Connally were NOT hit by the same bullet. I'm
so
confident of this spurious and far retched assertion that I've had
all ratings / comments has been disabled for this video. "
Off........................................................
Sam Holland, who thought that after Kennedy was shot Jackie "jumped
up
and tried to get over in the back seat to him." :
From the Primary Source !
On the day ofthe asssassination :
Sheriffs Dept.
County of Dallas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/holland.gif
Hhahahahahaha ! It's no wonder a Nazi would quote Holland who was
seeing some very interesting things that day . Puffs of smoke that
even Oliver Stone couldn't get from guns that shoot smokeless powder
and had to use a bellows in order to recreate :
Stone could find no gun that emitted that much smoke, had special
effects man blow smoke from bellows : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dealey.htm#smoke
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 23 of 178......!
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Destroying the SBT Part 1 - 4.......!
Gil HayZuess : Aliass : robgestapo (nazi thought police):
"Adding comments has been disabled for this video"
and just to be fair for all those who have a opposing
opinion , that unlike myself who uses opinion as fact ,
the weakest eye-witness evidence available and no
common sense what so ever , I have also taken the
liberty to also have all :
"Ratings disabled"
Off........................
Hmmmmm.........?
Really ?
The Western Cartridge Co. MC ammunition (Not WWII surplus ammo. as
some have speculated) is a highly stable round . 99 out of 100 shots
fired by Dr. Lattimer proved that they make a neat round hole upon
the targets fired upon . JBC's wound of entry on his back was
elliptical in nature .
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2uegx3s
Meaning that the bullet had started to tumbled after hitting
something
first . The only thing in front of that bullet was JFK . In
attempting
to "Destroy the SBT" Gilcrapo has again "Destroyed His Own
Credibility" .
That is : If there ever was any to begin with .
====================
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51wZTaJ3AU&feature=related
Its all right here , one video that blows away 178 shitty , concocted
bullshit ridden Gilstapo video's in less than 10 minutes .......!
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 22 of 178......! The
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Two Men in the Window ......!
The Two Men in the Window
Gilstapo :
Roger Craig describes the two men Arnold Rowland told him
he saw in the sixth floor window 15 minutes before the arrival
of JFK's motorcade. Also, a female witness confirms Rowland's
observation that there were two men on the sixth floor.
Off...................
Of course Howard Brennan who had a more advantageous view
reported he saw only one person . And by the time of the Hughs
Film the windows are being photograhed and show only
'Grain Noise' walking around .
See Frontline : Who Was LHO .
Sounds like Gilstapo outta keep his day janitor job .
Here are some highlights of Gilstapos Video's Gone Wild
With Cornspiracy ! :
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 21 of 178......! The
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Timing Problem .......!
The Timing Problem
Gil :
" Dr. Josiah Thompson explains the problem with the timing of the
shots and the operation of the Oswald rifle "
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In this hilarious sequence, conspiracy author Josiah Thompson
misstates Frazier's results, and proceeds to cycle the mechanism of
the rifle in 1.83 seconds, all the while explaining that it can't be
done in under 2.3 seconds. Clicking on the below link will download a
video clip of Thompson :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/tink.rm
FBI weapons expert Robert Frazier got off three accurate shots with
Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in 4.5 seconds -- recycling the
mechanism and reaiming the rifle twice.
Again, you will need Real Player :
http://www.real.com/player/index.html?
to play this clip from your hard drive after you have downloaded it.
It's in almost every conspiracy book: the claim that Oswald could not
possibly have gotten off the shots in the necessary time. Conspiracy
authors always claim that Oswald had under six seconds to get three
shots off -- although the Warren Commission was vague on this and
most contemporary lone gunman theorists believe he has about
8.5 seconds. Further, conspiracy authors exaggerate the difficulty i
n Oswald's "shooting feat." Craig Zirbel, in his book The Texas
Connection, badly misrepresents the results of the Warren
Commission's shooting tests.
Compare Zirbel's account with what really happened :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/zirbel.txt
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 19 of
178...........!
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I Tell The Truth .......!
justme :
This article by Dale Meyers says it all concerning the tatics and
disrespect that CT's have for the memory of JFK. Ringling Brothers,
Barnum & Bailey have nothing over the idiotic antics of the CT clowns
that thrive in Dealy Plaza daily and congregate each anniversary of
Kennedys death. This is what makes the CT community proud...
the Unamerican Misfits!!
http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/news/news_11230701.htm
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Yo Harvey :
Now they all lie like Chico Jesus/Robcap/CuriousGeorge....Healy and
Holmes!!! This is sooooo much fun. I believe we should have a daily
contest: Let's judge "the lie of the day".....and vote on which CT
deserves recognition. We'll then post his/her pic in a thread for
all to see!!!
BTW, I note with interest that since members of the Education Forum
dissed good old Healy and called him an idiot, he no longer posts
there. Why aren't we this lucky?
In addition, Chico Jesus/Robcap/CuriousGeorge also has not posted on
that newsgroup since they began ignoring him and his videos. They
must have spoken to his wife!
Hey Chico? Make yourself right at home on our LN NEWSGROUP. Say
something totally ignorant!!
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cd :
http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/news/2004/11/65793
From Lee Harvey Oswalds Perspective ! :
1) Proves Gil Jesus a stinking commy liar !
2) Proves Rossley is a old , incompetent bullshiter !
3) Proves Healy a garden variety faggot with queer idea's !
4) Proves Holmes can't hit the broadside of the conspiracy barn !
5) Proves Old Laz & Co . are Con-Spiracy 'pussy' whipped !
Download : JFK Reloaded :
http://www.the-underdogs.info/downloadfile.php?file=games/j/jfkreload...
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cd : NO ! And here's why :
So here we see how a person like Gil Jesus's Intellectual (?)
dishonesty takes over and trys to perpetrate a JFK Assassination
Conspiracy Hoax by first off telling half the story based on only a
part of the evidence ( The Z-film ) to foist his lie . No where in
his
presentation does he bring all the evidence together at the same
time because it would destroy his pet theory . His eye-witness's
not only contradict one another but many times they contradict
themselves . That's why in 44 years we have two of everything
in this assassination and several different ways this assassination
ended when in fact it could of happened in only one way .
.........................tl
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Gil Jesus caught telling another Big Whopper ! # 17 of 178...! Was
JFK...?
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Gil : Was JFK Trying to Cough Up A Bullet ?
" A review of parts 1 & 2 with closeups of the President. Zapruder
Frames 225-237 seem to show Kennedy trying to cough up a bullet that
is lodged in his throat "
Off .........................
http://tinypic.com/fullsize.php?pic=3ygq23n&s=1
Simply stated :
After 44 years of serious research , none of it done by the critical
community , you would have to be a retarded mongoloid from Mars , if
after stealing this floperroo , that went nowhere immediately , some
15 years ago , you tried to resurrect it using stewpider logic that
kept pace with a much more stewpider viewing audience .
It's this fact alone , which makes laughter a virtuous comodity when
seeing Gil put the hammer down , missing entirely and afterwards ,
all to the fake refrain of while holding his breath :
(-: " Perhaps Conspiracies Do Happen After All " :-)
CUT !
tl
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Gil Jesus caught telling another big whopper ! # 16 of
178...........!
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Katzenbach Memorandum ......!
Gil "
" Harold Weisberg discusses the Katzenbach Memorandum of November 25,
1963 and its legal advise of how the case against Oswald had to be
presented to the American people "
Off .....................................
The late Harold Weisberg : Co-Founder of the Great JFK Assassination
Conspiracy Hoaxing of America , Fellow Co-Conspirator , JFK
Assassination
Con-Artist and Conspiracy Theorist Apologist Was amoungst the
earliest to get it all wrong for
Profit :
(Self Published Books)
Self Aggranddizement
(Video Appearances) and
Self Glorification (Personal Appearances At Assassination Rallys)
Has nothing to say other than since it was painfully obvious that LHO
had killed JFK and had acted alone , that he did so as to make people
believe this before it was a fact and was covering for conspiracists
that he was himself unable to name in a career that spanned many
decades of useless research that should of been turned inwards but
because of his typical CT self centered assnine attitude towards what
is right , justfull and the truth , he chose wrong , injustice and
become a liar for personal reasons that would border on the criminal
had anyone with half a brain took him seriously . That's what makes
him a *Superstar* amoung the *Stewpid* half brained
Vidiots at YouTube who as everyday passes become the laughing stock
of the world .
tl .
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Gil Jesus caught telling another big whopper ! # 14 of 178....!
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Was It Johnson ? ......!
Gil :
Conclusion. The unidentified fingerprint found on the sixth floor of
the TSBD is compared to the fingerprints of Johnson henchman Malcolm
Wallace.
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No it wasn't Johnson and AAMOF it wasn't even Malcolm Wallace
either ! How embarrassing :-) ..........Heheheheheheheehe !
" Just to clarify, this was proved to be an erroneous identification.
Wallace is not tied to the "sniper's nest" by fingerprints.
Darby is either deceased or is no longer certified by the IAI ;
the match was incorrect "
Kasey Wertheim
IAI Certified Latent Print Examiner
Gil ( taking the word of John Kelin ......Ouch !....
Prof. Rahn tore him a new rear end when they got into
a e-mail discussion ) :
> JFK Breakthrough?
> Text by John Kelin; photograph Copyright (c) 1998 by Mike
> Blackwell
> A Texas-based assassination research group has publicly
> named a man believed to have left a previously unidentified
> fingerprint on a box making up the so-called "sniper's nest" on
> the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
> Brown presented data showing a 14-point match between
> Wallace's fingerprint card, obtained from the Texas Department
> of Public Safety,and the previously unidentified print, a copy of
> which was kept in the National Archives. The match was made
> by A. Nathan Darby, an expert with certification by the
> International Association of Identifiers.
tl
PS : Box Score : Gil batting : 0 for 14
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Gil Jesus caught telling another big whopper ! # 12 of 178....! Julia
Ann Mercer...!
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The Julia Ann Mercer yarn .
Gil : "The experience of assassination witness Julia Ann Mercer as
told to Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner).Scenes from Stone's "JFK". "
Adding comments has been disabled for this video / Ratings disabled
gfn02 :
I've been trying to find material on the real Mercer, but I think she
may have been afraid for her life, and kept low. Any ideas?
GJJdude :
That is correct. She never appeared publicly. Mercer feared for her
life and the only information on her is written.
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The reality , as usual when dealing with con-spiracy guff , couldn't
be farther from the truth , unless of course you read the
'Gospel according to Judas' :
Julia Ann Mercer :
Mercer, you may remember, told the story of seeing Jack Ruby at the
wheel of a pickup truck near the Triple Underpass just a couple of
hours before the assassination. She claimed another man took a gun
case from the back of the pickup and walked up a grassy incline
toward the Grassy Knoll. What really happened?
First, the transcript from the Dallas Police Department radio log :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer1.txt describing the broken
-down pickup truck that was the basis of Mercer's tall tale.
Then the account of Secret Service agent Forest Sorrels, to whom
Mercer told an early version of her story : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer2.txt
Mercer's deposition given to the Dallas County Sheriff's Department
on November 22, 1963 : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer3.txt
Mercer's statements to the FBI in the week following the
assassination :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer4.txt
Statements from Dallas Police Department officers who witnessed the
breakdown of the pickup truck on November 22nd, 1963 :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer5.txt
Mercer's story as recounted in Jim Garrison's book, A Heritage of
Stone :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer6.txt
Mercer's story as told to conspiracy author Henry Hurt. You'll note
one extremely interesting addition to the story here :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/mercer7.txt
The question, as with all assassination witnesses is: is she
credible?
Heheheheheheh ! You Betcha She Is ! .............. NOT !
tl
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Gil Jesus caught telling another big whopper ! # 11 of 178...! Ruby &
Oswald ..!
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Did Ruby & Oswald Know Each Other ?
Gil Jesus Lies Again ! :
Witnesses answer the question as to whether or not Jack Ruby and
Lee Harvey Oswald knew each other :
This raises more questions about Gil Jesus , using know liars from
video's that he ripped off , after not doing proper research on the
people who are in the video , that are suspect in being co-
conspirators in the JFK assassination hoaxing of america .
*Beverly Oliver :
Many Dealey Plaza films and photos show a figure dubbed "the Babushka
Lady" standing on the south side of Elm, filming the assassination
with what appears to be a movie camera. A woman named Beverly Oliver
has come forward, claiming to have been the Babushka Lady, and
telling a variety of interesting stories about Dealey Plaza, Jack
Ruby, and
Lee Oswald. Just how credible is Oliver? :
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oliver.htm
*Delphine Roberts :
The most important witness to later (but not during the Garrison
investigation) place Oswald with Banister at 544 Camp Street was
Delphine Roberts, Banister's secretary. The House Select Committee
didn't believe her testimony. Author Gerald Posner interviewed her in
1992, and found her no more believable : http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/delphine.txt
tl
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Gil Jesus caught telling another big whopper ! # 3 of 178 .....!
Badgeman.....!
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Gil :
Badgeman : Did the Dallas Police murder JFK ?
Conclusion : There never was even a Badgeman to begin with . If there
was , he would of been 2'-4" tall at the grassy knoll or on a 13'-0"
ladder in the middle of the parking lot ! Hahahhahahahaha !
Daaaaaaaa ? ............ I don't think so ! :-)
And here's why ! : Secrets of a Homicide :
http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/badgeman_3.htm
Gil Jesus is such a quacky dunce !
The point has been made Gil you again failed in your task of
being rigorous in your research efforts . This information has
been out there for years now and you totally ignored it . Your
video is based upon information that is debunked in the article
that you failed to read . You are a failure and your Video's are
taking a dive that not you or Rossley or aeffects can boost
with any amount of lie's . )-:.Sad face by you clowny dunce . :-(
Burly...@gmail.com
And with that, folks, is the ramblings of a complete and utter
hypocrite who professes to be a Christian by posting holy scriptures
from the Holy Bible,condemning others to hell for sins of a different
definition--homosexulaity-- yet he uses profanity in his speech!
I presume that everyone here knows the meaning behind the
abbreviation "G.F.Y."?
As I would hope all of you know,it is stated clearly in the Bible
"do not to allow any filthy talk come from your lips". Gil Jesus did
just that. Gil Jesus attacked a person in here because of her sexual
preference, and posted scriptures from the Bible. As everyone should
know, a person who claims to be a Christian, and points out the sins
of thers at the same time he is exhibiting his own-- for all here to
witness- the Lord Jesus Christ flat out calls such a person a
hypocrite. Christ tells them to "first remove the beam from your own
eye". But, Gil Jesus apparently doesn't think using profanity is a
sin, even though the Bible says differently.
Whatever you do, folks, do not allow Gil Jesus give you the wrong
idea about Christian people. It is people like him who make true
followers of Christ look bad.
The word is out, Mr. Gil Jesus, and you brought it all upon
yourself.
Wherever you go, trying to to try to spout off at other newsgroups,
or what have you, that you are a Christian by posting Bible scriptures
or presneting yourself as such, I am going to find you and warn the
reader by presenting links to all the posts you have made containing
profanity and anything else that reveals that you are a complete
hypocrite.
Your goose is cooked, sir.
Burly...@gmail.com
> Professor Ken Rahn, who dons a spiderman outfit to sabotage our Chico.
Clearly, you do not understand how the human physique develops, Mr.
Ossofee.
The person in the video dressed as spiderman is a young man, very,
very thin. All you have to do is look at the throat area of the
person in question. Kenneth Rahn is in his mid 60's, sir.
justm...@gmail.com
Burly, you can start by letting the people know on the Christian and
religious groups here on google where Gil Jeus has advertised his
Christian channel for teens. Just look at his profile and it will tell
you all the groups he's posted on and you can fill them in on what a
hypocrite he is. There is also a link on these posts to his Jesus
youtube channel. He has the teens praising him for his good work, it
makes you wonder how many of them he has contacted trying to play the
holy mentor to them. He's downright scarey and a certified loon. He
will rot in hell, theres no doubt about it.
YoHarvey
>
Also, I'm not going to respond to postings that don't address
evidence
and testimony. The trolls would like to get me into an insult debate
about ME, but this is about JFK and the conspiracy that led to his
death.
As for Spidey, as with all trolls, he's on killfilter. I don't care
what questions he has about ME. First of all, It's irrelevent to the
discussion of JFK. Secondly, I don't owe him or anybody else an
explanation about my religious beliefs or what have you.
The fact that he seeks to get into a debate that is off-topic is
evidence that he too is a troll.
So this Bud's for you, Spidey: G.F.Y.
Let's take a look at the above statement by our resident pathological
sicko.
Our sicko has NEVER addressed evidence. Ever. In fact, he runs and
hides from evidence. What Gilbert posts is
speculation.....conjecture....science fiction. Connally shot JFK?
Yeah, right.
Gilbert has RUN and HIDDEN from my 20 requests to debate LIVE the
evidence in this case. Why?
By claiming to use the Killfilter, he has an "escape" clause. He
doesn't have to respond, nor run. He simply signs back on under one
of his other screenames...such as Robcap...which Justme has proven to
be Jesus.
People? He's lying again to you....to this newsgroup. Is anybody
surprised?
justm...@gmail.com
Amazing also Yo, is the fact that hes preaching how things said don't
pertain to the assassination. Was creating a thread where he tried to
blow smoke up his own butt related to the JFK assassination? No it
wasn't. I have to laugh because this wonderful praise backfired in his
face he does a complete turn around and makes one excuse and lie after
another. Spiderman said in his post that he personally contacted Jesus
and asked him permission to post the tribute video on youtube. Jesus
was all for it and just couldn't wait to start a thread bragging about
how wonderful he is. Well now spiderman will have a video telling the
world what a hypocritical bigot Jesus is. The fool keeps making his
bed and then squirming to get out of it. It actually would be said if
it wasn't so funny.
tomnln
<justm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a7a7055d-428d-4d5d...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 13, 10:04 pm, BurlyGu...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 4:14 pm, summersalmostg...@webtv.net (Phil Ossofee) wrote:
>
> > That's right who else could it be but the distinguished retired
> > Professor Ken Rahn, who dons a spiderman outfit to sabotage our Chico.
>
> Clearly, you do not understand how the human physique develops, Mr.
> Ossofee.
>
> The person in the video dressed as spiderman is a young man, very,
> very thin. All you have to do is look at the throat area of the
> person in question. Kenneth Rahn is in his mid 60's, sir.
Burly, you can start by letting the people know on the Christian and
religious groups here on google where Gil Jeus has advertised his
Christian channel for teens. Just look at his profile and it will tell
you all the groups he's posted on and you can fill them in on what a
hypocrite he is. There is also a link on these posts to his Jesus
youtube channel. He has the teens praising him for his good work, it
makes you wonder how many of them he has contacted trying to play the
holy mentor to them. He's downright scarey and a certified loon. He
will rot in hell, theres no doubt about it.
BUT, how did you like what the witnesses said in Gil's videos?
http://youtube.com/user/GJJdude
WHY do you keep Dodging the evidence/testiumony?>>>
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm
http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm
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tomnln
"YoHarvey" <bail...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec39b69d-415d-4bf2...@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Gil Jesus
> �Wherever you go, trying to to try to spout off at other newsgroups,
> or what have you, that you are a Christian by posting Bible scriptures
> or presneting yourself as such, I am going to find you and warn the
> reader by presenting links to all the posts you have made containing
> profanity and anything else that reveals that you are a complete
> hypocrite.
>
> �Your goose is cooked, sir
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Yes, please do the Devil's work and attack the messenger.
You do that so well.
Gil Jesus
>
> Let's take a look at the above statement by our resident pathological
> sicko.
>
> Our sicko has NEVER addressed evidence. �
It is addressed here:
http://www.youtube.com/GJJdude
> Gilbert has RUN and HIDDEN from my 20 requests to debate LIVE the
> evidence in this case. �Why?
>
Because I don't debate trolls
> By claiming to use the Killfilter, he has an "escape" clause. �He
> doesn't have to respond, nor run. �He simply signs back on under one
> of his other screenames...such as Robcap...which Justme has proven to
> be Jesus.
And which I proved to be false:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/a13cb7015cb7f9ab
>
> People? �He's lying again to you....to this newsgroup. �Is anybody
> surprised?
LET'S LOOK AT THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS UPSTANDING CITIZEN YOHARVEY:
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
1.It was YoHarvey, under the screenname baileynme who claimed that the
Oswald rifle had no scope when
found. Baileynme-spiffy-YoHarvey wrote:
"In addition, when the weapon was found, the scope was NOT on the
MC."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/e3aedb4b219289ad
But a photo of Lt. Day in the TSBD picking the rifle up by the strap
SHOWS a scope ATTACHED:
http://pictures.aol.com/galleries/gjjmail/41602cXrkH0*ic1Lb0imwIK1Lw8sYt--F*VUv4xQp5Fd3Ig=/large/
YOHARVEY AS A SNEAK
2. he/she tried to infiltrate JFKconspiracy under a different
screenname
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
3. he/she claimed that Operation White Star began in Cambodia in 1962,
when in fact it began in Laos in 1958 and ended with the
Declaration of Neutrality in 1962
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/f1e7c24a013b01d0
at which time I corrected his/her lack of historical knowledge
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/fc6cacfb427769c5
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
4. he/she posted a false "letter" and attributed the author as my
third grade teacher, who claimed to have me in her class at a time
when I was in kindergarten, proving himself/herself once again as a
liar.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/4f6f846cc8f05f54
YOHARVEY AS A SNEAK
5. posted an article by Dave Reitzes
http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100custody.html
as his own without giving Reitzes any credit
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/293de06a42d2729e
YOHARVEY AS AN IDIOT
6. Then he/she perpetrated a falsehood that::
" In the mid 1950's Lee Oswald spoke about killing an American
President. Palmer MacBride testified to the WC, in 1956 he befriended
Oswald and they often discussed politics. MacBride said that one
central theme discussed was the "exploitation of the working class"
and one one occassion after they began discussing President
Eisenhower, Oswald made a statement that he would like to kill the
President because he was exploiting the working class.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/275a8c64ca997ce4
but in fact:
McBride's affidavit given to the FBI alleged that Oswald made the
statement in "late 1957 or early 1958", not in 1956 as YoHarvey
claimed. The 1957-58 timeframe conflicted with Marine records that
clearly showed that Oswald was in Japan at that time.
http://www.jfkresearch.com/jfk_101.html
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
7. In one post YoHarvey calls the Education Forum the "research
community"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/48acfed5de8ec2ac
then he refers to it as a "demented group of misfits"
in another post he refers to it as "major kook central"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/605057d1f9873de2
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
8. YoHarvey lied when he/she said that I was arrested in March 1994
for not paying a cable TV bill.
He/she would like the reader to believe that the theft of cable TV
would go on for 2 or 3 years without their knowing.
He/she provides no evidence to support this charge except his say so.
No links to any police records, court records, newspaper accounts of
the theft. No links. No info.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/515311a1bd65759b
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
9. YoHarvey lied when he said that I believed that Santos Trafficante
meant that JFK was going to be hit by Jackie because she found a bra
under JFK's pillow. I never said that. YOHARVEY DID THEN ATTRIBUTED IT
TO ME!!
Here's the link to YoLarvae's ridiculous post:
and my response was:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/8140300091f92867
YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
10. YoHarvey claimed that I said that Connally shot JFK. The post that
was cited is here.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/dd783b571f900c24
But as the post shows, I didn't actually say it, I implied it.
Implying something is not the same as actually saying something.
Once again, YoHarvey and his fellow falsifiers took something that I
implied and tried to spin it. In fact, if you do a search of this
newsgroup of the phrase "Connally shot JFK", you'll find that most, if
not all of the posts were made by the trolls and that I never actually
said any such thing.
I put to rest any notion that I ever actually said any such thing
here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/25bc946d919d2937
causing another round of troll tears.
YoHarvey/justme1952 makes up LIES as he/she goes along...like these:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/bc526ae91bd97331
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/54b99cbd78e1b516
Not only is he/she a liar, he/she admits to living a lie:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/d8a4e3914459a3e9
ANTICHRIST YOHARVEY:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/3e955da36f61d10f
Given his/her propensity for being a sneak, an idiot and lying, can we
believe ANYTHING YoHarvey/baileynme/spiffy says ?
justm...@gmail.com
>
> in another post he refers to it as "major kook central"
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/605057d1f9873de2
>
> YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
>
> 8. YoHarvey lied when he/she said that I was arrested in March 1994
> for not paying a cable TV bill.
> He/she would like the reader to believe that the theft of cable TV
> would go on for 2 or 3 years without their knowing.
> He/she provides no evidence to support this charge except his say so.
> No links to any police records, court records, newspaper accounts of
> the theft. No links. No info.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/515311a1bd65759b
>
> YOHARVEY AS A LIAR
>
> 9. YoHarvey lied when he said that I believed that Santos Trafficante
> meant that JFK was going to be hit by Jackie because she found a bra
> under JFK's pillow. I never said that. YOHARVEY DID THEN ATTRIBUTED IT
> TO ME!!
>
> Here's the link to YoLarvae's ridiculous post:
>
Gil Jesus once again does NOT disappoint. The big speech at 4:53 pm
yesterday about not responding to any posts unless they were JFK
related was just another one of his lies. Exactly how many times do
you need to make an ass out of yourself before you learn a lesson
Jesus?? There really is no need to continue to reinforce that your a
pathological liar and a bigot. We already have all the proof we need.
Are you really that desperate that you will draw attention to yourself
any way possible?
If your worried that one of the other Stooges is going to take over
the spotlight and push you to the back of the bus, don't be. You'll
always be the biggest laughing stock on this newsgroup. You've earned
the title over and over again.
Your latest speech trying to prove you're above everyone else failed
within 14 hours. We'll just add this one to the long list of Gil Jesus
failures and lies. Continue to make "God" proud, I'm sure a liar,
bigot and hypocrite is right at the top of his list of people who will
rot in hell. Might be a good idea to start practicing sitting next to
a blast furnace, get a feel for how you'll be spending eternity.
Burly...@gmail.com
You have it backwards, Mr. Gil.
*You* are "a wolf in sheeps clothing" pawning yourself off as a
Christian when you are nothing but a hypocrite. According to Jesus
Christ, you are a hypocrite, and I can prove it by presenting these
posts by you which contain profanity,( does "G.F.Y. which you posted
last night ring a bell?) as well as other un Christian behavior.
You are doing the "Devil's work", not I.
mike_...@cox.net
<justme1...@gmail.com> wrote in message> >
news:a7a7055d-428d-4d5d...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...>
On Feb 13, 10:04 pm, BurlyGu...@gmail.com wrote:> On Feb 13, 4:14 pm,
summersalmostg...@webtv.net (Phil Ossofee) wrote:> > > > That's right
who else could it be but the distinguished retired> > > Professor Ken
you do not understand how the human physique develops, Mr.> >
man, very,> > very thin. All you have to do is look at the throat area
of the> > person in question. Kenneth Rahn is in his mid 60's, sir.> >
> Burly, you can start by letting the people know on the Christian
and> religious groups here on google where Gil Jeus has advertised
his> Christian channel for teens. Just look at his profile and it will
tell> you all the groups he's posted on and you can fill them in on
what a> hypocrite he is. There is also a link on these posts to his
Jesus> youtube channel. He has the teens praising him for his good
work, it> makes you wonder how many of them he has contacted trying to
play the> holy mentor to them. He's downright scarey and a certified
loon. He> will rot in hell, theres no doubt about it.> > BUT, how did
you like what the witnesses said in Gil's videos?> > http://youtube.com/user/GJJdude>
> WHY do you keep Dodging the evidence/testiumony?>>>> >
http://whokilledjfk.net/PROVEN%20LIES.htm> > http://whokilledjfk.net/CASE%20DISMISSED.htm>
you really think I am 60? I am flattered that you think I am a
professor, but truth be told you have been foiled by a 27 year old
with a GED. I am also in good enough shape that my girlfriend allows
me to keep a benchpress in our bedroom. How old are you? Do you work
out? What are your measurements? Wait! Are you attracted to me? Sorry,
I don't swing that way. "Not that there's anything wrong with
that." (if you like Seinfeld you will get that joke.) Oh wait,
Seinfeld is Jewish. Do you hate Jews, too? Inquiring minds want to
know. Whenever Youtube starts letting me upload again I will be forced
to make up answers to these questions and more, unless you respond.
Just kidding. But you could at least stick up for yourself. I am
certain you are not avoiding me to take the moral high ground.
Kenneth A. Rahn
the other hand, have you eliminated John McAdams as a possibility? He is
younger than me, and has been known to assume a different identity at least
once in the past. :-)
Ken Rahn
"Phil Ossofee" <summersa...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:14581-47...@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net...
Sam Brown
then whine like a little girl when you are called on it. Grow some balls
fairy.
"Gil Jesus" <gjj...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4cfef71c-5751-4d81...@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Gil Jesus
> abbreviation "G.F.Y."?
It stands for " Good For You", MORON. Get your mind out of the gutter.
justm...@gmail.com
Sure it does, liar. Nice try, how long did it take you to come up with
three words starting with G F Y that made sense? You're pathetic.